protection

[prisma crane]

yea

[sharp dew]

All the Antorus gods have died

Feelsbad

[prisma crane]

Him, Sense, Cozen, Boost

all prot dps monsters

[sharp dew]

Sense is the only one left, and boost ofc

[prisma crane]

i think boost's guild helps him rank though

he's got a lot of cheddar on his parses

[sharp dew]

Yeah for sure, he wasn’t that great in Antorus

[prisma crane]

more than the average person

yea i think he was mia in ABT

[sharp dew]

In NH I remember looking at their scorpion cheese kills early on lmao

[prisma crane]

yea lol

imagine if tclap was the same as today

[sharp dew]

And you were humble and didn’t include yourself in that list either krotos :p

[prisma crane]

i play alliance, no one cares about alliance, ha

[lusty grotto]

why not

[prisma crane]

i had my moments though

[sharp dew]

Hahaha, a parse is a parse brother

[lusty grotto]

right ^

[prisma crane]

SoO and ABT were my best shows

i did get a 32 on M Mother this wk

so there's that

but man, 32 and only a 98

any other class and a 32 would be deep 99

[sharp dew]

I bring that crap up all the time to my guild since coming back, yeah you scrubs ranked bad because you didn’t have Rank 1 NA all star mighty tanking for you guys and give them shit all the time lmao

[prisma crane]

haha

you owned M+ though mostly iirc

obviously very high in ABT too

but i remember you more for your keys

Travex has taken up that throne lately

[sharp dew]

Yeah I ended like #2 on m+ unfortunately but #1 for abt

[prisma crane]

oh nice!

i dont think i could keep up, eventually i stopped playing as much

my second argus kill

had 6 ppl from the first

and was 2 months later

so that was rough

[sharp dew]

Dang that’s a huge roster change

[prisma crane]

and then seeing people beat me on Vari with 3x TTW

cant beat that

[sharp dew]

Trying to remember what ttw stands for lol

[prisma crane]

or shadow something, that was a good one

torment the weak

[sharp dew]

Ahh yeah

[prisma crane]

shadowbind*

i had bad RNG with relics

[sharp dew]

I actually think I only had 1 torment but still managed top vari parse somehow

Lucky procs

[prisma crane]

yea, it was a fun fight sometimes

i tried to keep it interesting by doing the fight without SR if i could

or any CDs

all IP

almost did it too

[sharp dew]

Other times you get bad ss procs and cry or you get amazing ss procs and your guild wipes lol

[prisma crane]

the outlaw rogue life, lmao

Diima's on the adds with BC up was nice too

but yea, reprogressing on argus just sucked

killed my motivation to play

[sharp dew]

I think I used the raid trinket, the pantheon one and then a 965 chrono shard lol

[prisma crane]

oh nice, i never had a good CS, but i had a 975 diimas

[sharp dew]

Pretty sure that’s what I used for most of the fights unless it was add heavy

[prisma crane]

and yea pantheon one

[sharp dew]

I never got to all star parse on aggramar because I would solo all the auto attacks lol but it didn’t count for all star anyways so I didn’t care

I was gone one week and they couldn’t kill aggy because they were used to me just making it a dps free farm for the other tanks lmfao

[prisma crane]

yea, them taking out half the fights hurt me there too

agg, eonar, and the council one

well we 4 tanked Agg

and 2 tanked Argus

parsing on Argus was a bitch

and i think was my worst fight

[sharp dew]

I had so much fun on Argus tbh

Just praying for the crit blocks

[prisma crane]

you must have not had to collect orbs lol

but yea, accidentally surviving 6-7 stacks, when other tanks couldnt think of it

[sharp dew]

Nah I wasn’t an orb boy I just sat on the boss and didn’t the soak explosions at the start

[prisma crane]

was a wipe, but still fun

[sharp dew]

Yeah one time I’m pretty positive I got 8 stacks and I only had like 60% mastery so I was clenching them cheeks LOL

[prisma crane]

rofl

at the end of the fight it was just a big "fuck it!" let's hope this works

and tbh, now, i cant believe it, but i miss NF

[lusty grotto]

well we have bolster :p

[prisma crane]

it's not as strong

[lusty grotto]

i know :\

[sharp dew]

I had the best stat prio I possibly could with like 44% haste but I wish I had extra mastery gear in my inventory so I could do the 90+% mastery strat on Argus for fun

[lusty grotto]

but at least we can move during it

[prisma crane]

the difference between taking ~56% dmg and 15% dmg today is just massive

yea, make bolster always crit block and ill cream

[sharp dew]

Oof

[lusty grotto]

for sure

[sharp dew]

That would be insane

[prisma crane]

i was able to get 100% mastery on argus without T19, i tried it once

[sharp dew]

Double foebreakers and losing like 2mil hp/17mil

[prisma crane]

it felt like ass with no haste

[sharp dew]

Nels fury op

[prisma crane]

yea Cosmo and i had a brief crit block competition, he murdered me though, his guild helped him a lot ><

but he's a good player so i'll be ok 😉

[sharp dew]

:p Well we’ll never be legion abt boys again but 8.1 should definitely make it more fun and enjoying

Smoother less clunky

[prisma crane]

here's to hoping 🍻

[reef fulcrum]

I think more changes are coming

PTR prot seems unfinished

[rich folio]

changes are good so far

think only thing we will be weak against now is magic casts

which i think can be circumvented if spell reflect not only reflected first cast

but stayed up for the reduce magic damage

cause right now you reflect one cast and its consumed which sucks on things like zul on kings rest

where he is literally hailing casts that we cant block

[signal rune]

all tanks are weak against magic except brew and DK who have Stagger and AMS respectivly

At least warrs got Spell Reflect

VDH got nuffin'.

Guardian same thing.

Pala's have BoS.

[daring marlin]

I’d argue IP is pretty fucking nice for spells. We’re definitely not the weakest tank against magic.

Plus spell reflecting certain spells for near 100k feels good

:^)

[neon tangle]

Also just a thought but BDKs “main” AM is death strike, which doesn’t care whether you took physical or magic damage

[quiet crane]

quick question for someone whos familiar with logs

whats the difference between overall parses and ilvl parses?

[neon tangle]

Pallies can also block spells

[signal rune]

so basically buff vdh

[sharp dew]

@quiet crane One is all ilvls of all brackets, the other is for people within your specific ilvl bracket

[neon tangle]

@quiet crane ilvl parse is “you did better than X% of people around your ilvl”

Vs “you did better than X% of everyone, regardless of how geared they are”

[quiet crane]

i see when i was tanking on my pally now ive decided it to be my main moving forward for my ilvl bracket im in nothing but the orange tanking with it once through uldir normal which is sad but i did it a 330

[sharp dew]

Aka you're 350 and you're overall may be like 20, but 99 for ilvl because clearly you can't out dps a 380, but you did good for your ilvl bracket

[quiet crane]

but for overall im purple for th erun

the run

ahh is ee so at the lower ilvl brackets its better to go off for your ilvl until you reach a more competitive ilvl

see

[sharp dew]

Yes

[neon tangle]

If you just care about personal performance, look at ilvl

If you care about like “why isn’t my group killing this when other group did” overall is more useful

[sharp dew]

It will say how many people have parsed in your bracket as well so you can see how many others you're competing against

[quiet crane]

ok no worries was just wondering what the difference was since for every boss im orange in my ilvl bracket but overall im not

but only at 340 atm so

probably wasnt anyone to really compete against anyway

[sharp dew]

Majority of the time if you're low ilvl the amount of people who killed the boss will be at a lower number making it a bit easier to ilvl parse usually. Once you're more current at ~370+ then that will give you a more accurate representation

[neon tangle]

Also just a personal pet peeve, dps parses for tanks are mostly useless

[quiet crane]

yeah i know they're but i still care about dmg output when ive got my survivavility down pact

and was told its a good way to see if you're doing it mostly correct

i know the timers and mech like the back of my hand so im not fussed about survival even at the ilvl was simply wanting to know the diff between overall and personal

[neon tangle]

Depends on the class I guess, dps parses for a warrior are just as likely to tell you that you wasted rage on revenge or padded on Crawgs to the detriment of your shammies and rogues

[quiet crane]

cheers for not screaming at me to since ive decided a pally main i play all tanks but only just started to get into the scene so to speak to do mythic next tier

[neon tangle]

It’s ok, I main a BDK 😛

[quiet crane]

and the other discords never answered lmao

[neon tangle]

Idk enough about pallies to say if you can trade damage for survival

[quiet crane]

so learning as much about logs as i can

tanking id consider myself an expert in my own rotations once i know the mech so dps is what i focus on after

[sharp dew]

Run seraphim if you're confident on the fight, otherwise go righteous protector

[quiet crane]

i feel as if they can get it passively just through seraphim tbh and its a bit of a survival increase to not as much as Sotr respectively but definitely against magic

^^^ already have

didnt take long to pick up on it learnt it just through gearing to the point to just do norm on it and first run through scored orange so id say im not to shabby atm

[sharp dew]

You're good to go then, other thing would be to spam sotr for extra dmg using it on cd if you're not worried about dying

[quiet crane]

really just need to take the time to learn to read logs and differentiate the different things within em or how to find info

well atm i cant quite use it like that simply because of ilvl but i still know how to maximise outside of it

[neon tangle]

Most of the class discord’s have a log review channel

[quiet crane]

id be a bit more into prot if they brought back the legion iteration

reckon there'd be someone their who will teach me? if i just throw up a random log

i know its a bit time consuminh

consuming*

[neon tangle]

I’m sure someone would go through it with you, idk how to help for pally tanks tho

People post prot logs in here fairly regularly

[quiet crane]

i dont need that persay.. just even the basics on where to find intervals during the fight something could have been used but didnt

say a raid wide healing cd

etc

[neon tangle]

Can just look at the buffs tab

[quiet crane]

guess i can say i dont know how to read logs

and where to find the info i want

[gray wolf]

13 shrine

god have mercy upon my soul

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair you have to understand the class and its mitigation abilities @quiet crane

whatever reduces damage that you need to maintain

and take into consideration effective uptime

not just general uptime

not sure how to read logs for pallies but i suppose you could look at SotR blocks

do you have a log i could check?

i don't really know prot pallies in bfa, i don't know if consecration does anything anymore for damage reduction or whatever

[lavish oracle]

Shrine isn't too bad this week if you can coordinate interrupts

I wouldn't PUG it

[sharp dew]

I got a 16 snaky boi last night and that's definitely getting deleted lmao

[neon tangle]

I believe in you @sharp dew

[sharp dew]

Trying to decide between azerite globules/crystaline carapace and reinforced plating/filthy transfusion, got a new chest 🤔

filthy for ST is really strong, crystaline more consistent than* globules but globules aoe dmg

[mellow bridge]

I fucking love tanking WM

+13 WM, just casually let the tree boss go to 50 stacks without an issue

Does resetting the stacks deal more dmg the more he has btw? I don't think it does, but I'm not sure

[plain ice]

it does

[mellow bridge]

Whelp good to know

[open bluff]

first heroic run on warrior

[lusty grotto]

jesus

gz

took me like 9 rolls

and then it dropped from the week event reward

[open bluff]

i bonus rolled it somehow

[lusty grotto]

too bad it wasnt AP 😄 😄 😄

[open bluff]

no i got that from mother 😦

but guildie got the helm and traded it to me so

[lusty grotto]

nice

[open bluff]

..funny thing is both of those drops i'd been farming on my pally, pally finally got the helm this week but still no shield

[lusty grotto]

no heroic helm for me yet

also no syringe 😦

[ocean acorn]

the helm off ghuun?

[lusty grotto]

why would you want ghuun helm

it has 0 bfi for M+

and 0 archive either

i would def take it for arms though

[cinder nova]

What's this week event?

Mythics or what

[lusty grotto]

pet battles

[cinder nova]

ew

[wind scroll]

I think i must be the worst prot warrior ever xD haha.. i can barely stay alive without cooldowns in even regular mythic dungeons haha.. and i'm 328 or something haha

[lusty grotto]

yeah you must be doing something wrong

[daring marlin]

haHAA ECKS DEE

[wind scroll]

trying to spam as much IP i can, keeping up shield block up at proper times.. using demoralizing shout often as well and shit xD haha

[lusty grotto]

that's your mistake

dont spam IP

do you have DC?

[wind scroll]

So what should i do instead of that for survival?

[lusty grotto]

you can maintain IP up, but spamming it is not something you do

unless if you're taking a lot of magic dmg

[wind scroll]

DC?

[stark sage]

right, spamming IP is wasteful, you need to make sure you arent dumping rage that doesnt do anything for you

[lusty grotto]

deafening crash trait

it's required

[wind scroll]

I don't have any traits basically

[stark sage]

its not required, but it is the best 1 of traits you can find

really the only one worth looking out for

or sacrificing ilvl for

[wind scroll]

I see.. i should do that then

[lusty grotto]

i know it's a stretch but

try logging a regular mythic

[wind scroll]

Yea i could do that.

[lusty grotto]

and we can take a look

[wind scroll]

1-2-2-3-2-1-1 is that the proper build?

It's what i use at least.

[sand egret]

jesus which tier is Bolster on again?

[wind scroll]

4th

lvl60

I have that

[sand egret]

i havent looked at that shit in ages

[deft hinge]

1-1-2-3-2-1-1

[sand egret]

bolster, Booming Voice and Anger Management are huge

[wind scroll]

Those 3 i have

[lusty grotto]

2nd and 5th tiers are up to you

[sand egret]

Unstoppable Force as well

[lusty grotto]

the rest are mandatory

and yes those are proper talents

really need logs though

[wind scroll]

I see.. i'll try to find a freehold then or something.

[vocal imp]

overwhelming power good for tanking ?

[lusty grotto]

obviously not for defensive purposes no

[vocal imp]

but does it speed everything up with the haste ?

cooldowns and such

[lusty grotto]

sure but it's not as good as other defensive traits

[deft hinge]

the problem with that trait for tanking is that you lose stacks as you get hit

[lusty grotto]

you can check the icy veins guide for those that help

[vocal imp]

say SH trait

[gray wolf]

Rezan's or vial

🤔

[lusty grotto]

rezan

[gray wolf]

oof'd

[vocal imp]

ok what should my crit , haste , mastery be i dealy

[lusty grotto]

nothing

[vocal imp]

359 il

[lusty grotto]

check the icy veins guide

go for ilvl > all

that's it

there aren't any required numbers

same ilvl? prioritize haste

have 1 DC piece

that's it

do not prioritize secondaries over ilvl

they are close enough in value

[sharp dew]

if it's jewelry(rings) and it's only 5-10 ilvls with bis secondaries vs crit then go for the secondaries

anything with armor/str etc just go ilvl

[lusty grotto]

☝

[open bluff]

what the actual shit... 5 bosses, i got:

• 2 cloaks (already had 375 fetid so meh)
• zek ring
• archive helm
• vectis shield

i never should've rolled my pally

[lusty grotto]

i hate you 😦

[vocal imp]

agreed

[open bluff]

😦

if it makes you feel any better, i still have two 355 azerite pieces lol

[lusty grotto]

😦

[open bluff]

but i haven't turned in today's emissary sooo

as long as it's shoulders since my chest is DC...

and it's shoulders, wtf

[ember crest]

still rocking my 340/345 DC shoulders

extra frustrating

[wind scroll]

Who was it that wanted to help, look over some logs of mine? .. just did a regular mythic freehold.

In any case, here's the link https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MatvWBfPbQLm9gkX/

[sand egret]

you could work on your demo shout uptime at first glance

at least on those short ass boss fights, like harlan, you could get closer to 100%

at least not 28%

[outer dew]

Anyone with a BDK or VDH been low-key debating about working on more tanking alts

[sand egret]

@wind scroll https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MatvWBfPbQLm9gkX/#type=casts&source=4&fight=last&ability=2565 as an example here are your SB casts on Harlan. It looks like you have sometimes up to 20 seconds between casts with no Last Stand to fill (via Bolster to allow charges to come back) since you cast it once at around a minute in. Harlan doesn't generally run around much so you should have a pretty high uptime of getting smacked, so I'd expect to see more coverage.

and during avatar every other cast is a thunderclap

and you cast shield block twice during Last Stand which is a very me thing to do (so generally not a good idea)

in sum, looks like a case that you need to tighten up your play a bit better and you'll see consistently less damage intake

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I switch / am switching to BDK

Anything in particular you're wondering about?

[fleet axle]

how do you get deafening crash guys ?

feel like I can only pray to drop it on weekly chest

[oblique garnet]

Normal mythic dungeons/emissaries etc

[neon tangle]

@fleet axle Do emissary quests, they drop up to 370 now

also yeah m0 if you don't have one already

emissary is the most likely to get you a 370 DC piece

normally a few chances a week

[fleet axle]

yeah I did them all but I may have been on dps loot

I'll take care now

[neon tangle]

shouldn't change anything, same azerite pieces

[oblique garnet]

^

[fleet axle]

oh yeah right

so I'm just unlucky

[neon tangle]

tbh prolly not even unlucky, RNG just sucks for something that important

[fleet axle]

is a 355 still better than a 370-90 even after the nerf ?

[open bluff]

normally a few chances a week

unless you're NA alliance

[oblique garnet]

After the nerf ni

[open bluff]

[oblique garnet]

No

[neon tangle]

pre 8.1: yes, it's worth 35ilvls or something, after 8.1: naw

[fleet axle]

oh wait the nerf is 8.1 ?

[neon tangle]

yeah, it's bundled in with the rest of the warrior tuning/buffing

[fleet axle]

oh ok so right it's still worth it

I'll go grab one

thks guys

[neon tangle]

go forth, experience the wonder of wildly overtuned azerite traits

[oblique garnet]

God damn why cant i get a decent pug on kings resy

I still havent even timed a +10 kr

[open bluff]

pRoT sUcKs

[neon tangle]

who was the OT?

[open bluff]

there wasn't one, we one roomed mother

[oblique garnet]

Tbf if everyone dodges mechanics there isnt much healing to be done on mother

[open bluff]

yeah

i just found it hilarious that i still managed to top the hps charts

doing nothing but IP

[neon tangle]

go all in, spec vengeance, the one that increases IP based on missing health

[oblique garnet]

I wonder what kind of steroids that korean prot warrior called boost is using

The man did 43k dps on heroic zul

[open bluff]

that's never surrender @neon tangle not vengeance

[neon tangle]

@open bluff I mean take vengeance + never surrender

@oblique garnet that poor guy has no luck

https://worldofwarcraft.com/ko-kr/character/azshara/Boost

ilvl 384, still using a 340 ilvl azerite chest for DC

[sick sentinel]

Man got legendary parses, so he's making due

[wind scroll]

@sand egret So basically i should work on weaving SB and Last stand inbetween each other ?

[sand egret]

Last Stand (with Bolster) provides 15 seconds of Block so you can let a charge come back up. The idea is it's usually 3x SB then LS > SB etc

with anger management, you get that LS back that much sooner

[sick sentinel]

Use last stand as it name suggest, as ur last stand

[sand egret]

namely, don't be so conservative with it

there are usually places in a fight where you can hold off from pressing a SB as well (casts, mechanics etc)

[lusty grotto]

ive been seeing an absurd amount of tanks that pull with taunt

im in this LFR where a bdk is pulling with taunt zul's room

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I pull with taunt sometimes

[lusty grotto]

last week i was in a WM where a BrM was pulling with taunt

[sand egret]

at least with a heroic throw?

[neon tangle]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

but why not pull with death's caress

[neon tangle]

taunt -> heroic throw -> slap them in the face

[sand egret]

idk

[wind scroll]

@sand egret Makes sense.. 3xSB and then LS... to recharge SBs.

[sand egret]

you dont have the rune

[lusty grotto]

wtf lol

i mean

[sand egret]

idk man, I dont do that shit

[wind scroll]

And then not fatfinger SW on pulls xD

Did that twice on that run

[sand egret]

tbh i use that on pull

and i pull big

helps smooth that initial burst

or shortly after

(not like BEFORE ya know)

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I mean, it's useful for getting snap aggro on shit when your dps is a little overzealous

ONLY taunting would be weird tho

I just use it cause of the extra threat

[sand egret]

I think that was the point

[sick sentinel]

I usually never start with SW with large pulls since I want all the adds on me

[sand egret]

just only using taunt

?

SW =

?

[sick sentinel]

Shield wall

Boy

[sand egret]

ok, how does that affect adds on ya lol

[sick sentinel]

Large amount of adds that I want to round up aren't right away on me

So I never start SW right away

[sand egret]

yeah....obvi

i'm talking at the start of when the damage happens

i'm not like SW then taunting lol

[sick sentinel]

Also I like to freak my healers out so I try to get my mythrax trinket to pop so, u know

U can imagine the CD use from healers who freak out

Always so funny

[sand egret]

yeah but I dont like making my pugs freak out

[sick sentinel]

I do

Wakes them up

I need 100%, not half assers

[quiet kettle]

at equal ilvl, jes howler or dread aspirant's badge?

[sand egret]

jes

[sick sentinel]

Personally jes

[lusty grotto]

jes

[sand egret]

i fucking hate that trinket

but yeah it's "better"

[quiet kettle]

u guys prefer on use vers over on us str?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[sick sentinel]

I use whatever suits the situation

[lusty grotto]

it's a lot of versa

while grouped

[sick sentinel]

RN vers would be usefull in KR or Siege as an example

[quiet kettle]

just thinking cause a 370 badge is almost 1400 str

[sand egret]

but it's also....Vers....shakes fist

[sick sentinel]

Once we get our new shield block in 8.1 I don't think vers will be as useful unless it's to counter magic

[lusty grotto]

of course versa will be useful

and precisely for that reason

[sick sentinel]

Eh

It's use is limited with 8.1 to just being magic reduction

The damage increase is nice but not noticeably unless ur stacking a shit ton of it

But for now, use howleers and keep badge

Helps reduce magic and shoot style attacks

[neon tangle]

don't most of the other tanks stack vers too?

afaik DK and monks do

[sick sentinel]

I could care less about other tanks

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, I mostly just use Jes' Howler as a damage CD, I don't need it for mitigation really

It's just a nice side benefit

[sick sentinel]

Yeah the more u get the better vers becomes. I only have 3 pieces on with vers and I'm at 3.42/1.71% vers

Which is 291, and with a 370 Jesus forget about it

[safe perch]

hi, is there a tool that let me know the best combination of traits for the azerite armor am wearing? like raidbots

[daring marlin]

@quiet kettle Keep ‘em both. The pvp one is amazing damage potential.

[carmine needle]

Guys i need a good spec/talents to lev up and mythic plus, could someone help me?

[oblique garnet]

@neon tangle yeah he does more than most with just 340 chest meanwhile im stuck at 99 since i cant seem to get that 100 parse no matter how much i try to cheese

[sick sentinel]

finally #1 prot on my dead server :L

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet tbh I don't even know how he does it

he has a 23k 100-parse on zek voz

#1 dps for the whole raid

I guess maybe if they just let him cheese on the warriors?

he even died

[outer dew]

@neon tangle how you enjoying the play style?

Noticed I'm at the key level where I have to kit

Kite*

So was wondering if picking up a different toon would get me use to tanking patterns

[oblique garnet]

oh marok is streaming mythic progress

[outer dew]

Gotta tank and kite no tank and spank anymore

[oblique garnet]

What keys you tanking atm tofu ?

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I'm not doing super high keys with him yet (still gearing it up completely) but it's fun for m+

Gives you a lot of options for handling.... situations

[outer dew]

14-15's

I have periods of where I'll go from existing

To disappearing

Which I know would be mitigated if I got use to kiting

[neon tangle]

I mean, looking at lepan and people, it's sorta a mix, depends on the week

re: kiting

ignoring performance, and just talking about play style

They have some buttons that feel good to press

getting a bigass deathstrike feels good

mass grip feels good

[outer dew]

I see, I see

Because just wanted to see if some tanks had a different feel or play style to help adapt

[neon tangle]

for raids at least it's a little boring

just sit there, hit deathstrike occasionally

[outer dew]

Hmm. Kiting during raid would be a meme

Lmao

[neon tangle]

lots of free globals in raids too, especially since you don't use D&D w/o the proc

on single target

I dunno what I'll end up with for sure next tier

The boringness is certainly easier when I'm calling out shit in raids, etc

and m+ is hectic enough since you've got more abilities and shit to use

[sick sentinel]

@neon tangle other tanks like DK and DH stack vers because it increases healing and their mitigation is exactly that

vers is good for us mostly because we get fatter ignore pains, the 800 vers you get by jes is like 4-5% DR or something

but double that on healing and damage increase, which is good

and giving vers to your group and especially increased healing on your healer is a really big deal

[coral dew]

Hey where does it say that ranged attacks can be blocked in patch notes? I can't find it

Ptr**

[shut summit]

Not in notes

[coral dew]

Okay just wondering whether it was legit or not or just a fluke/rumor

[shut summit]

Is legit

[karmic void]

370 Disc of Systematic or 355 Blockades?

[shut summit]

Disc for dmg, blockades for surv

[vocal imp]

resounding protection or impassive visage

[open bluff]

visage

[sudden tapir]

Ice cream or cake?

[sick sentinel]

@vocal imp decide for yourself (1 of each btw)

[astral crystal]

damn marok's stream is savage tonight

[restive zodiac]

Can impassive visage stack?

[open bluff]

yes

heal will be stronger, but won't proc more than every 6s

[restive zodiac]

Nice

[coral dew]

That's so fucking hot

Mmmmm

Heal me daddy

[deft hinge]

I wanna see some 3-stack Filthy Transfusion numbers

[daring marlin]

arms warrior got them

womp womp

[twin eagle]

for dps, which would be better in combination with the syringe, lions strength (370) or disc (370)

(as prot) obvs

[daring marlin]

first two easily

But I don't like disc so

[twin eagle]

thank you kindly 😃

[daring marlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal imp]

bloodsport or laser matrix?

[open bluff]

if you don't have a laser matrix or archive piece, LM

[vocal imp]

so laser matrix ?

[open bluff]

if it would grant you reorigination array, yes

[vocal imp]

not tanking uldir yet

[inland mesa]

What are they doing to DC in 8.1? I haven't had time to following the changes how else are they "fixing" us

[amber siren]

It has a duration cap of 6 seconds as opposed to the currently where there is no cap

[outer dew]

It sucks

But I think it's very fair

[amber siren]

Yeah it's a nerf but DC having such a crazy weighting of like 40+ ilvl was pretty ridiculous and frustrating for gearing

[outer dew]

Like the Korean tank is using 340 chest

I wish I had his trinkets though

I'd love a 385 syringe

[inland mesa]

Is syringe good? I've just been using red and eye and blockades for prog. Sounds like we still want 1 DC thought don't We? Man our M+ dps is going to suffer :(

Besides range attacks being blocked and IP off gcd anything else in for changes for us?

[outer dew]

I mean

Syringe is great

Everything defensive scaled off strength

On demand Damage and survivability is the juice

And iunno. I think we'll be okay

For current tier I'm starting to feel a need to shift playstyle at 14-15

Or maybe I'll level another tank. We'll see

[drowsy relic]

arent On Use trinkets generally better for M+ though?

[oblique garnet]

Found the ultimate cheese comp that is also fun to play with

Holy pala and prot warrior

In 2s

[lusty grotto]

does anyone know how disc can heal sethralis last boss effectively?

[oblique garnet]

It cant

[lusty grotto]

i heard keeping plauge doctor up and atonement healing

[drowsy relic]

wow thats a rip

[oblique garnet]

Thats probably the only way

[lusty grotto]

dont you need to kill those to heal

[oblique garnet]

No

[lusty grotto]

or do they not matter?

[oblique garnet]

The plague doctors dont

It will just keep on spawning frogs if you do that way tho

[drowsy relic]

lmao I wish I could join a decent guild as a prot warrior, every guild wants me to play arms 😦 😦

[oblique garnet]

I joined a guild and showed them what a good prot warrior can do and now im a maintank xD

Just ask them to let you trial one raid as a prot

[fringe marten]

What's the little trick for getting the first boss in freehold to spawn right away?

I know there is one just never did it..but now trying to push high enough that the timer is getting tight.

[oblique garnet]

I dont think theres otherway than killing the pack?

[drowsy relic]

i think people usually do the pack behind or infront of the boss to spawn the boss

[oblique garnet]

Iirc the pack behind is infested this week

[outer dew]

I mean

My io speaks volumes in my guild

I'm only one that pushes content

As a tank

IO is a decent indicator also you understand how you do situational as a tank and positioning

@lusty grotto and you can eco heal if you're not rushed for time

If you've pushed the rest of the dungeon fast enough

Your disc can just heal it up with penance

After the frogs spawn and you kill them

You don't need to do fuck all the whole time

[oblique garnet]

@outer dew you have a premade group youre running keys with?

[outer dew]

Hmm

Not really

I have two groups that will ask me to run with thrm

[oblique garnet]

Ah

[outer dew]

But I'll usually just pug my keys

I'm basically some groups back up tanks

[oblique garnet]

The only key i will trust with pugs is freehold/atal

[outer dew]

When their main tank for m+ is gone

Lmao

I mean, it's the only way you'll get remembered and brought in with some groups

[oblique garnet]

True

[outer dew]

Think about it as networking

[oblique garnet]

If im pugging keys its usually with my pala friend

[outer dew]

I expect any key I do with my guild to brick

[oblique garnet]

I dont trust the random healer and also coordinating our cds go easily

[outer dew]

But I get blamed for being a prot warrior

??

One of my guilds healers was like. Yea man. I feel the limitation of prot warrior tank

[oblique garnet]

Lmao what

[outer dew]

But I'm the one that's been trying to push 14-15 and not you

????

[oblique garnet]

Sure we dont have that much utility but healing us? Relatively easy

[outer dew]

Highest key the guy has done this week is a +12 in time

???

I mean, ATM. I'm just trying to abuse our current advantage

Which is our mad dps

[oblique garnet]

This week its especially good

[outer dew]

RP as 4 DPS and 1 healer

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much yeah

I experienced the joy of pushing keys with competent premade group and its so much smoother

2chesting 13+

Ez

[outer dew]

Yea

It's getting the foot in the door for those groups

[oblique garnet]

Yeah as soon as you get an in with those people pushing becomes a possibiity

[sick sentinel]

So

I discoverd the....joy... of using discord

Now I that I need my keys 13, i have to start using discord and using premade groups

I hate you all because you all did this to me

[oblique garnet]

What actually communicating ?

@sick sentinel think about it no more interrupts overlapping can call externals etc

Theres no real downsides to it

Unless youre from eu and the people you do the keys with dont speak english

[sick sentinel]

I refuse to call for externals, and I will die on that mound

[dull granite]

you gotta keep yelling it 5 times in a row trying to talk over your healer who keeps saying its on CD

[oblique garnet]

I dont want to die unnecessary deaths and get repair costs that are beyond ridiculous

[sick sentinel]

But because I'm at a point where i need to get to 13's done, I can no longer pug anymore since groups now want to use discord and depending on randos will not be a succesful venture

[oblique garnet]

You can probably get away with doing manor atal freehold and maybe underrot without comms

[sick sentinel]

Not UR this week

First and 2nd boss for some reason too hard

[oblique garnet]

Whats there for the 2nd boss

Just get all the ticks

[lavish oracle]

Well you don't really need comms for the first boss, it's just a DPS check

[sick sentinel]

People dont stack

[oblique garnet]

Ez

[lavish oracle]

Like either you kill it before it's a problem or you don't

[sick sentinel]

Can you guess why I would say the first boss i s a problem then lol

Its not hard, its "Hard"

[oblique garnet]

Everyone interrupts the first cast and cant interrupt the next?

Just use bl on first and 2nd boss

Should be fine

[sick sentinel]

You mean like mean like a normal person would?

[oblique garnet]

I usually dont interrupt the first cast

I just look at the cds people have and if everything is on cd i just sr

[onyx vessel]

Good idea

Free 50k damage tbh

Or more

[median wigeon]

Anyone know if rage dump potential for big packs with IP off gcd will lower shout cool down by enough to offset some of the DC Nerf ?

[sick sentinel]

Possibly

But until someone tests it we wont know

[median wigeon]

Gonna hit the ptr when I get the chance then

[sick sentinel]

The one thing I can say on paper, it more than likely will offset the nerf but I only see it being noticeable only in M+ and not in raiding unless u have a zul/zek style fight

Since from my exp with tanking both raids/M+ i notice I get more rage capped in M+ then I do in raids

[median wigeon]

I'm basically wondering if we can dump hard enough on packs to get another demo shout for uptime during avatar.

[sick sentinel]

Its possible to do so already

If u have enough haste to lower TC gcd

with the avatar talent and whatever else

[median wigeon]

I mean when DS gets capped at 14 seconds

[sick sentinel]

The best "Test" i can give u that I tried was doing a +11 without my DC

[median wigeon]

Can we dump the rage required to recast DS in 14 seconds

[sick sentinel]

And I was able to Demo shout

[median wigeon]

Oh

[sick sentinel]

But thats just me

I have a 375 rezans

So if I plan my cds around when it pops with Ava, I can get 2 demos and another one right by

and thats me using both Revenge/IP

Or me shitposting with my SB spams

So again, its a "Test" but u know, a personal one

[median wigeon]

Yeah I gotcha. Still a month out but I'm prepping for this build and trying to be hopeful. Thanks for the infoan

[sick sentinel]

np

At least we can finally #BlocktheRock

[median wigeon]

In b4 they hit us with some goofy k value that makes up for.them giving us ranged block and melee starts all hitting us for more than before

[hushed cobalt]

@lusty grotto for disc healing last boss in snake temple, use the voodoo totem trink from atal dazar. Unless it's been fixed each tick procs the bonus healing. Same goes with contrition + d.penance

[daring marlin]

SRing Lord Stormsong is fun af

114k reflected back

yum

[oblique garnet]

Shame that it doesnt show the reflected damage anywhere

[stone crag]

logs

[neon tangle]

you know, I've been looking through some logs

to get a sense of how much rage we actually waste in m+ while capped

I dunno if it'll be that much

Looking at Sense's logs he'd gain ~6% more rage

on some it would be way below that, looking at a random siege for him it's 4.2% more rage

[sick sentinel]

As weird as it may sound, having finished washing dishes before going to bed really relaxed me from the bullshit my GL tried to do to me today

[odd ridge]

Washing dishes is very cathartic

[sick sentinel]

I hate washing dishes but something about it just becomes relaxing

[outer dew]

Like not having a messy place

:^)

[sick sentinel]

Not even

[odd ridge]

Well its a really cheap sense of accomplishment, plus hot soapy water

[sick sentinel]

The dishes being cleaned isn't what gets me, I think it's more the peace and quiet I get and the time I can take to just wash

[neon tangle]

@median wigeon see my message a bit earlier

[sick sentinel]

Also I'm giving this guild one more chance, cause rn the GL is starting to annoy me

[neon tangle]

They hopping on the warrior hate train?

[grizzled vale]

hey guys, i dabble in prot a little bit. are they getting rid of the critical block mastery for us in 8.1?

[neon tangle]

Nope

[sick sentinel]

No, it was a thing for a short bit but then reverted

[grizzled vale]

ah ok

[sick sentinel]

And also @neon tangle no, it was more that the Guild lead got pissy because he wanted us to do some dumbass strat with mother and when it failed wanted to pin it on me

[neon tangle]

I pugged with a guild that hadn’t finish heroic on my alt yesterday

[sick sentinel]

And this on normal mind u

[neon tangle]

They had some.... interesting strats

Like keeping everyone stacked on zek and making the beans run out

[sick sentinel]

That's...

That ain't it

God damn that's like super bad

Did it work?

[neon tangle]

There are not enough raid warnings in the world to keep pugs from not messing that up

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[neon tangle]

We did get him down tho somehow

[sick sentinel]

But yeah we do drunk normals on Fridays so we doing dumb ass strats is par for the course

Like jump down elevator in taloc and just waiting

Or stacking(tanks too) on vectis

Fun and crazy but for some fucking reason he became a huge pissbaby when he wanted us to all go to the 3rd room without dpsing mother

[neon tangle]

Maybe you’ll accidentally get some achieves

[sick sentinel]

So when I seee half the raid going into the 2nd room I bring mother

"why u killed the raid, everyone followed u"

Yeah 14 people who went before I did followed me

So I just left discord and they were doing the strat cause if I unmuted myself I'd blow a lid on him

[onyx vessel]

Sounds about right

Tanks always to blame for shit

In pugs

[sick sentinel]

This was my guild

[onyx vessel]

Same shit

Unless its mythic

Most try less then pugs and fuck around

[sick sentinel]

Honestly I only joined because I wanted to get back into raiding again, but fuck either my last Guild spolied me too much or something

[onyx vessel]

Prob not

[sick sentinel]

Also co-tanking with this guy is the worst we have no synergy

[odd ridge]

Ugh, abort

[sick sentinel]

Oh well, I got above 1.2k .io which is what I aimed for this season and I'm happy

[outer dew]

Tbh

I'd be annoyed if when I come back and log on

A good chunk of my raid group isn't 1.2k because of this week

[fringe marten]

They won't be.

Getting io score isn't about playing good, it's about wanting score...IE you have to not only want to push dungeons constantly; you have to take a look at how to do them better/push faster etc. Someone has to anyway; and very few people really enjoy that.

The vast majority just get their 10 done and go pvp or play other games.

[outer dew]

Aite.

That sounds like my guild

Misery

Gotta find a different group to do sales with

Because my ass is broke

Broker than broke

[fringe marten]

Exactly; it's any guild. Most people really don't like grinding dungeons for a score, assigned from a third party website...they just think it's superfluous crap.

[outer dew]

I don't think they like pushing keys in general

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

They forget about the competitive nature of key pushing

[outer dew]

I like keys because it keeps me adapting my playstyle to get better

[fringe marten]

My server is so low pop, so bad...we can't even sell keys and we're one of the only people doing it on the server. Because it's an RP realm...people don't even care. They literally don't care they get a strong piece of gear out of it.

[outer dew]

In a decent raiding realm

[sick sentinel]

.io just helps people find where to go to see and gives it a number

[outer dew]

Just some people only ride on someone's 10 and show up for raid

And fuck off the rest of the week

[fringe marten]

Pushing keys is just the pve version of pvp; it requires very in depth knowledge of what you're fighting and then strong execution. Raiding is "do your one thing...ok..run that out of the raid...ok ..dps"

[outer dew]

Why bother playing the game at that point

[sick sentinel]

Because tofu

Call of duty

[north salmon]

in the end M+ is just another form of progression. raider.io indicative of that progression. same with raiding.

different cup of tea for different folks.

[outer dew]

Side note

[sick sentinel]

r.io is just the WCL of m+

[outer dew]

One of the druids in my guild who's main is a dk

Has decided to start tanking his keys for m+

Because of me being the only one pushing keys in m+ and doing fairly well

Lmao

Been memeing with him he'll get that #1 server guardian druid for m+

[north salmon]

makes sense, tanks are always the bottleneck for M+ runs

[outer dew]

More of. He'd rather play druid tanking over DK

Because he sees me making prot warrior work

And he wants to believe in guardian

[north salmon]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Sometimes people need that motivation

[north salmon]

warrior has potential, but druid has a lot less upside. DK is stupid OP

[outer dew]

He's stealing my routes and pull patterns though

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[outer dew]

That hoe

It's kind of funny

The raid tank / officer is pissy that people choose me over him for m+

Like, apparently he asked one of my guildmates why he runs with me over him

):

[sick sentinel]

Pls tell me he's a monk/dk

[outer dew]

He is

He's a monk

[sick sentinel]

YES

[fringe marten]

Well if you're the one constantly doing it that's why. I'm in the same boat...all the monday warriors come to me with "I haven't done my 10 for the week can you run one with me?"

[sick sentinel]

THATS GREAT

[outer dew]

Well

[fringe marten]

They're playing CoD all week, and then "man I don't have time to do M+ man.."

[outer dew]

It's more of my attitude to m+

The guy apparently will wimpy pull

And won't talk about when he'll pull large

Check cooldowns

Etc

[smoky oak]

What exactly is wrong with not wanting to push keys

[fringe marten]

Nothing erek; that was the point I just made...the vast majority of people do not want to do it.

[north salmon]

nothing is wrong it

there are a lot of different ways to play the game

[fringe marten]

It's like..."how come you don't like pvp man? it's SO fun!~" yeah..no thanks. not for me.

[north salmon]

or raiding. ./shrug

[sick sentinel]

People push high lvl pvp, raiding, and now m+

Or if ur feeling real spicy

Pet battles

[smoky oak]

Idk, i know many people that feel like i do towards m+

[outer dew]

It's more of the targeted

I only show up for raids and do one +10

[smoky oak]

I loved it in legion, did keys every day, now i just do keys if my friends are doing some

[fringe marten]

There's no question the dungeons are meaner for sure.

[sick sentinel]

I love M+ because it's a ghetto speedru

[smoky oak]

Theres litterally nothing wrong with showing up for raids and doing a 10

If you dont enjoy it why would you spam keys

Sounds stupid

[north salmon]

i mean everything is up to expectations of your guild.

[fringe marten]

Which is funny because the player base is pushing way higher, way faster than we did in legion. the top competitive groups are over 20 now..they're 2/3 done with the ENTIRE M+ curve, before the first content patch.

[outer dew]

There's nothing wrong, but it's a good indication you don't really enjoy the game

[smoky oak]

At this point i dont think any guild needs gear from keys anymore

[fringe marten]

That is absolutely false erek.

Solely due to the titanforging system.

[smoky oak]

Yea i wouldnt force anyone to grind for titanforges lmao

Grinding for a chance at a chance every 40 minutes gonna burn people out

[outer dew]

I mean, how many hours a week do you raid?

[fringe marten]

That's the payoff though..for those people who do like to push keys, they are using LOTS of titanforged M+ gear. You do enough dungeons..you'll get a nice piece eventually.

[outer dew]

It's more of. Is playing the game worth your time?

[north salmon]

well depending on your group, getting a +15 done for your multiple pieces in your weekly chest isnt awful.

and the pieces have a decent chance at being good - even if you run mythic uldir

[fringe marten]

You don't push IO score for gear, you push IO score..for IO score. Occassionally..you'll get a 385/395 crazy forge.

[smoky oak]

Sure during the early stages of a tier when all pieces are lower than +10 level its fine to kinda push people to do it

[outer dew]

Like do you think the guy with the light 6 hour a week raid schedule

[sick sentinel]

Me

[outer dew]

Really enjoys the game if he just hops on for raid?

[smoky oak]

No, but maybe he enjoys raiding?

[north salmon]

yeah i mean that's subjective

[sick sentinel]

I hate raiding

[smoky oak]

You dont need to enjoy the game to enjoy raiding with the boys

[sick sentinel]

You kinda do

[smoky oak]

Keys are not nearly as fun as they were in legion imo

[sick sentinel]

I wouldn't do something just because my friends are

[smoky oak]

Im not saying that

[fringe marten]

Here in lies the problem the devs keep leaning on every time they're pressured about class balancing and other content changes; they have to design the game for a large array of gameplay styles..so their customer base stays subscribed.

[smoky oak]

But you can like doing it cause you do it with them

And some people just like 1 part of the game

Its really as simple as that

[sick sentinel]

For sure and I can get that

But that depends on the person, I don't enjoy raiding even if it was with friends or people I enjoyed being with, but that's a me thing

[smoky oak]

@north salmon you dont get more items in weekly for doing a 15, you get more from end of run chest

[fringe marten]

Every key level above 10, is a 20% chance to get a bonus item.

[smoky oak]

I like raiding, keys are okay ish, like pvp alot this xpac, its all subjective

[sick sentinel]

Funny thing is, I used to hate pve and loved pvp, now I enjoy pve(M+) and burned out and very lukewarm towards pvp

But I enjoy pvp way more than raiding

[smoky oak]

Pvp is annoying when you face broken comps, but when its not broken comps its good

[sick sentinel]

I only raid because of the gear otherwise I would be pvping or playing another game, but with M+ I can do something I feel challenges me

And also it's fucking fun and crazy to watch

[smoky oak]

I mean yeah its fun to do challenging stuff, thats why i do prog in the first place

But if people are spamming 10s its not like i want to instantly join that group for fun

[sick sentinel]

Yeah makes sense

I will say tho

[smoky oak]

In all honesty, keys in legion felt way more complex

[sick sentinel]

Never did I think pve content would be more interesting than pvp content

[smoky oak]

Had some crazy strats we were doing when pushing, sure theres some in bfa, but its not nearly the minmaxing i felt from legion

[sick sentinel]

I like bfa dungeons a bit more because we have a few that aren't too linear

[smoky oak]

Also gear swapping made it so much more complex by itself

[sick sentinel]

At this point I've sadly gotten over gear swapping

So much fun as a dps in legion to gear swap

[smoky oak]

Ye

Built sets for so much different stuff

[sick sentinel]

Didn't do it too much when I tanked, at most swapped around trinkets but still nice to have

[smoky oak]

Ye

I mean i played afflock so was a gearset for pretty much every scenario

Slowrings, avoidance sets, multidot sets, aoespam sets

Had 12 of them

[sick sentinel]

I know u mean, I was dps as arms, so I had that aoe for trash set and boss set and if I was feeling myself too much glass cannon set

[smoky oak]

Right now in keys i feel the only variety i can get is playing different roles and classes

[sick sentinel]

If the trade off for no gear swapping is more dungeons being like FH/AD, I will fucking take it

[smoky oak]

So.. easy dungeons?

[sick sentinel]

Not easy, open

[smoky oak]

I guess

[sick sentinel]

Ur not pushed down a line

[smoky oak]

I mean one dungeon i feel like i can create a solid strat for is waycrest

[sick sentinel]

Minus 1 boss for each place u have choice

Waycreast is great too because u can kind of do that too, I think idk

[smoky oak]

Well not really

[sick sentinel]

But also looks fucking cool

[smoky oak]

Im more thinking smart pulls

You know how the trash in the hallway with the pigboss is a joke?

[sick sentinel]

In the actual room or outside

[smoky oak]

Outside

[sick sentinel]

It is

If people stun or interput

[smoky oak]

You should be doing that in the first place

[sick sentinel]

I can only handle 4 other children's hand and tell them so much

[smoky oak]

Generally pull one half with most of the courtyard

Then the rest of the half

[sick sentinel]

Depending on my healer and the DPS I have I usually play safer

[smoky oak]

And when doing the pigboss, which is also a joke, you can cc mobs in the kitchen to the left and pull all that trash into the boss

[sick sentinel]

Or if I have a rogue who won't STFU about need to "stealth for more damage" or "I can't vanish every 60 seconds"

[smoky oak]

Idk its not very advanced pulls but they are smart and effective

Dont chainpull stuff then

Make one pull and stick with it

[sick sentinel]

It's why I hate rogues

Cause even if i don't chain pull, they won't stop complaining

[smoky oak]

Well unlucky

[sick sentinel]

I like rogue because shroud is great but fuck

I love chain pulling more than I care to admit

And having to stop gets me annoyed

Oh well, I'm go watch some m+ run to put me to sleep

[merry cave]

I chain pull with guild rogues fine

They just learn to use vanish when big opener is needed

[drowsy relic]

christ just tanked my first 16 fh, prot feels like glass on higherkeys

[vocal nimbus]

not only prot

[low grail]

What else?

[thick pond]

350+socket vial of animated blood + 340 jes howler? i think the vial is better because of the socket

vs*

[humble merlin]

never surrender or bolster in mm+ ?

[shut summit]

always bolster for anything

i'd use vial @thick pond

[thick pond]

yea, thought the same, thanks for the input

[wispy coral]

is it faster to level as arms or fury (questing) or is it about the same?

[dapper sky]

Due to short downtimes on AoE burst I would say arms. You can gather multiple@adds then burst it down with warbreaker and BS

[wispy coral]

that makes sense

thanks

[weary socket]

hey guys how much value has a socket for prot? 10 itemlvl or ilvl over all?

and what about lifesteal?

[final mist]

Sockets are like 5-10 ilevel, leech doesn't factor in much at all.

DPS is too small relative to health pools for leech to be worth much of anything.

[weary socket]

thanks sal

[spiral crypt]

factionchange to alliance, which race would u pick?

[open bluff]

not to faction change

but if you must, i'd go with one of the dwarves or pandaren, depending on whether you want to look cool or just really enjoy food

[vocal nimbus]

dwarves

[final mist]

Whichever race you like best.

TL;DR races don't matter.

But if it's not an elf, then you shouldn't pick it tbh.

[lusty grotto]

ayy

[outer dew]

Panda

To spite people

[open bluff]

rude

am pandaren warrior, do not spite people

[wispy coral]

panda warrior is the only true hero

[wraith hemlock]

do you guys think mastery Reor array could be better than haste? or never in the world?

maybe it is just because my guild is melee heavy (so into the fray is always 5 stacks) and I feel i take less damage

[grizzled vale]

hey guys, best AZ traits for M+ tanking

[steel mauve]

The more haste you get the better itf actually is, and haste is still our best secondary, so mastery wouldnt be worth it

[sand egret]

Oh man I just got a BFI + IV piece yesterday and now I can run 2x BFI/1x DC and 2x IV with 1x Veins

the dream

[outer dew]

I mean

If it fits you and works you

It's not a big deal

[wraith hemlock]

Just curious, of course aint min maxing... since I'm playing a warrior lmao

[fast pilot]

From my experience 2 BFI/1 DC is best. Although I personally like 2 IF/1 DC for fortified weeks when you're doing heavy trash since IF puts out more damage at no real loss of block.

[sand egret]

If I had 2 IF id totally try it

[wraith hemlock]

As for your question Pyro, I like going 1BFI, 1 DC and 1 IF

[sand egret]

that's next on my list

the 2x IV was really what Im most happy abouit

shit is bonkers

[wraith hemlock]

althou for tyr weeks I swap the IF for the BFI

the good thing about IF is you don't have to spam SS... and is a passive damage... while BFI is almost passive damage, if you fuck up with IF you don't lose the shield block and damage

[fast pilot]

I mean prot is such a dead rotation as it is that I welcome the small flavor that is BFI

Also the stacks overlap so it's really hard to waste

[wraith hemlock]

yeah

only time it happens to me is when I fuck up during an Avatar+demo shout because boss is doing heavy damage and prot war is shit

so I forget to ditch in SS

and I'm drunk...

so, when I've had a bit more than I can handle I just swap to IF and don't worry a shit abou tit

[rocky ledge]

You guys ever check your buff uptime after a M+ key? I’m trying to see avg numbers for SB uptime, Last Stand, and Ignore Pain.

Boss fights are easy to look at, just wondering how people manage across an entire run

[wraith hemlock]

nay... don't log them... sorry m8

[rocky ledge]

I tend to just look in !details to see.

For 8-10 keys on my sub 360 warrior, I’m getting 40-45% sb uptime, 12-15% last stand, and around 30% ignore pain, but the IP amount changes depending on dungeon.

Just wanted to feel around and see if I should focus on my rotation more, or keep getting gear and do what I’m doing.

[outer dew]

It's just with playing you'll adapt

Like I gotta start adapting playstyle wise for 14-15

Can't handle large pulls without kiting anymore

[cinder nova]

Any cheats for Mythrax M?

Starting it next week

Not eager to get busted by Mythic soul whatever

[vocal nimbus]

you drop his health to zero before he drops yours

[vocal imp]

eugene

[rough egret]

@vocal nimbus :D

[signal plover]

@cinder nova make wooshing noises to immitate BDK grips

[broken ravine]

hi i'm new

[astral crystal]

same

[sick sentinel]

God damnit, I want my DC 370 piece and we keep getting every faction I dont need

i dont care for 2k gold, i want my gear

[austere oar]

[amber siren]

[median wigeon]

Can anyone learn me up on how I could edit the mythrax WA to not show a ranged indicator if im next to my co tank ?

[waxen cradle]

So with the Warlock Changes and the Shaman changes still rolling in do people have hope that maybe they are not done with Prot ? I still hope they are not done with us but its a really tough call at this point

[steel mauve]

@median wigeon pm me the weakaura

[lavish oracle]

@waxen cradle I just want them to give us a utility, like they did with bear

Like any kind of repositioning tool

Or at least a slow that's worth a damn

[waxen cradle]

@lavish oracle Agreed I keep hoping they are not done with us but as 8.1 draws ever closer it would appear they may be finished with Prot

[lavish oracle]

Let's hope its just for the 8.1 tuning pass

they likely wanna see how well we do with the changes before they add anything else

[daring marlin]

I like AV. I’d like it more if my healers wouldn’t top me off, though.

loooool

[junior ivy]

look at my cat in off topic please

[coral dew]

Lmao

[junior ivy]

😄

[waxen cradle]

nice catfriend me and my wifes cat usually just steals my chair... hmm correction HER chair if I get up for any extended period of time

And if I try and take it back she nopes me on the hand

so I have invested in two one I game from and one I let her set in and let her set in my lap on watch TV in

unless I am not watching TV in which case its hers

VERY spoiled and she knows it

Your cat @junior ivy has a look of sup so we doing this or what

[digital arrow]

i looked at cat. 👍

[ancient reef]

Is there a link to war 8.1 changes

[sick sentinel]

[ancient reef]

Ty

[sick sentinel]

Thinking about what kind of grip style ability we should get, I just think it should be visually a mix of Ele's Earthquake and Thunderclap, rapid firing slams on the ground with cracks and splits all around, causing waves to suck adds in who get stunned/knocked down or w.e while being drawn into you until they reach the middle/you. It would be a channeled ability, you can't move but you can use all defenses and shouts, and you either gain rage over time, large rage gains whenever hit or reduced damage during the channel(10-15%)

[hot locust]

"should" get

[wispy coral]

I think grafarion (sp?) mentioned something like that on tankcast last month. TC pulling enemies in like Gust Slash in King’s rest would be sick

[hot locust]

why "should" we get a grip style ability?

[sick sentinel]

The same reason we should get fixes

If we dont, we dont

[hot locust]

It's not a necessity in any way, nor is it expected.

[sick sentinel]

neither are the fixes but here we are

[hot locust]

"I would like" is a more accurate statement.

[sick sentinel]

Maybe to you its a would like, but to me we should

[hot locust]

Our kit doesn't "need" anything else to function smoothly.

I would love having a grip style ability

I do not expect us to get one however.

Only 2/6 tanks do, and it's not gonna change for the 4 that don't.

[sick sentinel]

3 now

depending how u looking at vortex

[hot locust]

yeah have fun shapeshifting mid fight.

really like the sound of that

[wispy coral]

Damn the shade is real