protection

[sand egret]

I'd say it'd be considered pretty damn good

but fears are easily circumvented and thus it simply isn't seen as strongly as it could

not even including that it gives you Immunity to OTHER forms of CC

that just never appear

[limber wigeon]

Like I struggle to find buttons in other tanking kits that match the general uselessness of both beserkers rage and heroic throw.

[sand egret]

Grip would blow if no mobs in X instance could be gripped, for instance.

[limber wigeon]

Boring buttons that don't have a major impact.

[lusty grotto]

Heroic.... Throw?

🤔

[sand egret]

literally just ignored and bulled through

[lusty grotto]

I mean out of all the things lol

[dusky moon]

Does anyone know if Intimidating Presence on the PTR stacks?

[sand egret]

the shield should

[dusky moon]

god, it'd actually be amazing if you could 100% slow them though in the fear

[sand egret]

the rest won't

[ember arrow]

@limber wigeon deaths caress

[lusty grotto]

Throw glaive

Moonfire

Jade lightning

Judgment

Who am I missing

[sand egret]

Mass grip would be useless as fuck if mobs in M+ couldn't be displaced

all in context

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[sand egret]

so give us some mobs that throw a debuff on you that acts as a steriod for other mobs

that debuff we could reflect....and give our party a huge damage boost

[oblique garnet]

just bring back banners

[ember arrow]

How would other tanks do it then

[sand egret]

suddenly peeps be like oh shit

how do other tanks deal with not gripping shit

figure that shit out

[storm isle]

make it interuptable

[sand egret]

there ya go

[lusty grotto]

Gotta love reflecting the masterminds beams in ML

👌

[sand egret]

it just fizzles it right?

[lusty grotto]

Fuck no

[sand egret]

or does it keep the channel

I can never tell

[lusty grotto]

It does a shitton of dmg

[limber wigeon]

Nah, it does damage

[sand egret]

I hear it go off but I can't tell

if its each tick

[limber wigeon]

Just reflected damage isn't shown in meters, so nobody can tell.

[sand egret]

or it does the first tick and then is like naw

[lusty grotto]

So good, so good

[sand egret]

either way

that and Chemical Burn

👌

[lusty grotto]

Nah it does the full dmg

Same as reflecting a mind flay

[ember arrow]

Why do u guys do that trash

U death run it right

[oblique garnet]

^

[sand egret]

I don't death run every M+ I do in ML, no

[lusty grotto]

I death run to last boss

Fuck death running that part

It's easy to pull and I bring mass dmg

With reflect

[sand egret]

speaking of shitty mechanics

see: death runs

[ember arrow]

Or die and do it all in 50 sec

Including death time

[lusty grotto]

Or dont

And do the dungeon whichever way you want

[ember arrow]

Its objectively faster

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[sand egret]

:shocked:

[ember arrow]

Thats not how optimization works

[sand egret]

that's not how video games work

[lusty grotto]

Oh really?

Here we go

[sand egret]

i'm not playing dungeon sim lol

[oblique garnet]

Tbf its stupid that the most viable strat even with pugs is deathrun on ml

[ember arrow]

Shitty design

Blame bliz

[sand egret]

cute

[tropic star]

can reflect the 15% dmg taken debuff on that witch in the basement of waycrest

[sand egret]

forcing me to have less fun

remove the gun!

[tropic star]

kind of matches your steroid reflect scenario

[lusty grotto]

Yeah mcj

[sand egret]

yeah Decaying Touch

love doing that shit

more shit I can Reflect that is impactful will go a long way imho

[oblique garnet]

You can also reflect the Shadow Claw on the ghouls at the end of the manor

[tropic star]

lol yeah, 1 of them

[sand egret]

mmhmm

[oblique garnet]

they all do it at the same time

[storm isle]

i just wish reflect lasted the whole duration like in legion

[sand egret]

can you reflect Thorn Barrage?

[oblique garnet]

No

[sand egret]

thought so

[lusty grotto]

Same ironpirate

[sand egret]

yeah, that would be nice

[ember arrow]

Legion>bfa

[storm isle]

could be a nice talent ot be honest

[sand egret]

def

[lusty grotto]

Reflective plating was dope

[sand egret]

get menace outta here

cough or make it baseline because random direction fear is so outdated

[storm isle]

it's more that it's called intimidating shout and they start running around like wtf

they should stand there and shiver

[sand egret]

fuck or just make IS force them to run away from you

there's always that one lil' fuck that just has to keep running through a bajillion damage

really bro? three TClaps and you're STILL moving?

[storm isle]

i use it more as an interupt than anything else since the fear almost allways breaks instantly

[lusty grotto]

Yup same

[sand egret]

yeah that's what I do

[cinder pasture]

Except when you actually want the fear to break, then it never does 😦

[sand egret]

until lil' Timmy the Unrelenting decides he ain't going to follow the plan and books it to the nearest pack

90% of the time its fantastic

but a 90% of the time utility is like ....bruh

[storm isle]

it's so bad to use in a dungeon to be honest since it can just fuck up the pull

[scenic lake]

Timmy ain't having none o that, he's out

[sand egret]

its the negative potential

which is my issue

[neon tangle]

Maybe if you had some way of pulling him back to you

Hue hue hue

[sand egret]

or dont make it happen in the first place!

[oblique garnet]

Lil Timmy went to speak to Big Bad Rob who brought the gang and killed you

[frosty wedge]

lol

[sand egret]

Lil Timmy aka

THE Little Critter That Could

@oblique garnet

[frosty wedge]

ha

[storm isle]

do any other class have a ability that is an rng sim?

[frosty wedge]

too soon executus

[oblique garnet]

Man fuck that critter

[sand egret]

hands down my fav story

had me laughing to myself for hours last night so thank you for that

[oblique garnet]

xD

[lusty grotto]

Mommy!!!!

[scenic lake]

Soothing shout? Dispels all fears within 10 yards?

[sand egret]

that critter best become the new Loa of Kings

fuck Rezan

[tropic star]

heroic leap dispells negative ground effects

[sand egret]

Terrance the Turtle be fucking up +15 keys bruh

[scenic lake]

Wholesome and solves the IS issue ;^)

[sand egret]

McJ, that's a neat idea

[storm isle]

doesnt fit the class fantasy

[neon tangle]

I think making IS a lil' more reliable would go a long way towards making our kit work

[tropic star]

gives us something for casters and sanguine that isnt grip or knockback

[sand egret]

Upheaval

[storm isle]

the whole shooting shout

[sand egret]

rebrand it

SIT THE FUCK DOWN -SHOUT

[lusty grotto]

Hmm thatd be pretty trolley on ghuun lol

Trolly?

Idk

[sand egret]

Trolli

maker of Brightcrawlers

[storm isle]

i mean it's just the other mobs but the one you taget that starts fleeing though it makes one of htem stand still

[lusty grotto]

Listen yall, I had to leap. Not my fault you guys can't clear debuffs earlier

I would just say red is bad

[sand egret]

But just think of all the fucking Superman moments we can have just jumping in on ol' Chuck standing in the fire

"YOU'RE SAFE NOW!"

[lusty grotto]

Haha

[sand egret]

intervenes away

[frosty wedge]

I had to solo harlan in FH in a 13 last night from 40% to dead on my BDK b/c I had a full melee group and a pally healer

[sand egret]

as a person who PUGs exclusively

i consider "saving idiots" fine utility

[lusty grotto]

That's sad

Full melee should be fine on harlan

[sand egret]

also why I want to throw allys

allies*

[storm isle]

what's more sad is that he could solo 40% of a boss

[frosty wedge]

you would think so - but not when they all stand in the same fucking fire

[sand egret]

at least they got team solidarity

ya just dont see that these days

kids.

[frosty wedge]

and I already burned my bres on the shark boss b/c people can't move away from sharks

[lusty grotto]

Morons that can't do barrage as close to each other as possible

[sand egret]

8.1 shark boss is pug friendly

[lusty grotto]

Shark boss ugh

[frosty wedge]

yeah shark boss in 8.1 will be way better

[storm isle]

what did they change?

[frosty wedge]

sharks stunned for 3 secs

instead of just slowed

[sand egret]

sharks get rooted

[storm isle]

wow

[sand egret]

through the red pools

[lusty grotto]

Question, do sharks damage people that are boped?

[sand egret]

yes

its nature damage

[lusty grotto]

Fuck

[sand egret]

weirdly enough

them nature sharks

fucking you up with their nature

[storm isle]

it's so you just cant use bop

and you have to run

[lusty grotto]

So stupid

[neon tangle]

Just a thought but that might just make it better for DKs since they’re fairly slow

[fair brook]

anti-magic shield would do it though then, i guess

[sand egret]

us speedbois aint got time for sharks

[lusty grotto]

Hate those fucking sharks as a hpal

[fair brook]

spellwarding work?

[sand egret]

most likely

[lusty grotto]

Hmmm

[frosty wedge]

AMS works, and I can run pretty fast every 45 seconds on my dk, lol

[neon tangle]

“Pretty fast” 30% faster

More like a light jog

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[frosty wedge]

true

lol

[lusty grotto]

I imagine that's blizz justification for giving d&d 90% slow

And grip I suppose

[fair brook]

Class fantasy.

[sand egret]

naw they're DKs

its a

Brisk

pace

[fair brook]

Slow impending doom

[sand egret]

BA DUM TISS

[neon tangle]

I mean that’s the real answer

[lusty grotto]

move slow > mobs move slower

[neon tangle]

They are slow, but that kit works well for kiting in cramped spaces

[sand egret]

"Death's Advance: Your movement speed is reduced by 50% and all nearby enemies within 30 yards are reduced by 90%"

[lusty grotto]

"listen, they're dks, everyone else is fucked. Even tyrion got cc'd out the ass" - blizzard

[sand egret]

KITING GUYS

just watching this DK run away in slow mo

pffff

[lusty grotto]

Good guys run in slow motion

[sand egret]

but DKs are morally grey

😁

[lusty grotto]

Sorry I meant cool guys don't look at explotions

I butchered that

It's a reference guys!

[sand egret]

i'm not upset

just disappointed

[lusty grotto]

https://youtu.be/Sqz5dbs5zmo

I'm sorry

🚪 🏃

[tropic star]

so what was the justification for gag order being removed

[lusty grotto]

Warrie to stronk

[sand egret]

loss of the reflex

[tropic star]

half the tanks still have ranged interrupts

[lusty grotto]

;)

:,(

[neon tangle]

Who doesn’t? Us and bears?

[tropic star]

monks?

[lusty grotto]

I miss shield slam purge

[uneven mason]

@tropic star When they removed it we had uh...letsee...2 non DR stuns from charge (15s CD), pummel(15s CD), disrupting shout, Intimidating shout, and spell reflect

then add gag order

[tropic star]

i miss warbringer

[uneven mason]

casters = lol free HK

[tropic star]

was so damned nice in m+

[uneven mason]

yeah, F

[tropic star]

was disrunpting shout in Warlords? was that an aoe interrupt?

[uneven mason]

AE interrupt

removed in warlords

WoD is when they gutted our ability to chain interrupt

[tropic star]

was it prot only

i missed WoD and only played like a month of pandaland

[uneven mason]

nah

all warriors

[topaz ember]

If we had glad stance back people might take us to raids as a dps

[lusty grotto]

nuuuu

mah arms

"hey guys are warriors good in 8.1?"

jesus this channel is quiet

[chilly brook]

WTB glad stance

[lusty grotto]

i keep staring at #arms

shit is getting heated

[topaz ember]

Protection is my safe place

[lusty grotto]

gotta admit i laughed audibly at this one

haha

best trait, would go 3/3 for it

[reef fulcrum]

Do you know the add-on or aura that puts an icon on top of the nameplates when the mob is infested?

[lusty grotto]

it's a WA i thought

https://wago.io/r18N589rQ

https://wago.io/Sk2SO80WX

those 2

also ElvUI does it baseline

[topaz ember]

I usually just look for the ball on their head

I mean I usually just q up for an hour for m+ 10s and not get invited

[lusty grotto]

😦

[reef fulcrum]

@lusty grotto thanks, I was looking for it at wago but couldn't find it haha

[lusty grotto]

np sir

[reef fulcrum]

@topaz ember I know that feel bro

[elder tusk]

Yeah I've been farming AD but I just queue as arms now, so much easier to find a group

save prot for friends/guildies

prot warrior perception in the pug world is really fucked sadly

[topaz ember]

What's 5/8 mythic when your io score is only 700

[lusty grotto]

😢

[neon tangle]

@topaz ember tbh I've ran with some mythic raiders who don't know how to do m+

[mint ingot]

basically mythic progress depends on dd a lot. i am prot warrior with arms stats haste - krit and can close 10 in time with good dd

[drowsy relic]

Any streamers or youtubers play prot warrior?

Ik sense and boost (Pakuyso) does

[sand egret]

@topaz ember Oh, the amount of times Ive seen a 5/8 and they have 0 idea what to do in a M+....

[lusty grotto]

@drowsy relic lala streams too

i would stream but it would be spanish

and basically it would be something like "cabron" every 5 seconds

stupid rican friends

honestly though nobody wants to watch a 0/8 prot though :p

0/9 sorry

[uneven mason]

or a 3/8 prot apperntly

[lusty grotto]

oops it was 0/8

i would watch Mac!

whats your twitch name, ill follow

Marok also streams btw @drowsy relic

[uneven mason]

I actually don't have it setup!

[signal plover]

I stream M uldir tue/thrs but it's during peak NA raid time. More mythrax prog next week.

Don't turn it on much outside of that anymore.

Wow isn't rly much of a viewer draw unless ur doing big dick things.

[uneven mason]

or acting like a 10 year old

[sand egret]

it has a draw, but it's like super specific

in OW a streamer can hit every char on the roster

in WoW the streamer has X characters, so if I dont play BrM I have no desire to watch that streamer, etc.

there's cross-ovver, like high M+

but there's an element that doesnt apply directly to me (my class) so it doesnt resonate as well

[neon tangle]

It's still wacky to me how many consumables I got in m+

war-scrolls, drums, invis pot, etc

[limber wigeon]

I stream, but it's mainly just for kill vids. Only get a handful of friends that tune in.

[neon tangle]

shit I can barely call out mechanics while tanking as prot

if I streamed it would just be me sitting there silently cursing occasionally

[lusty grotto]

i'm used to calling shit out cause i used to raid lead

and i had to tell my friends, who apparently are/were unable to glance at DBM timers, when shit was going to happen

[neon tangle]

I enjoyed raid leading more as a tank when... honestly playing a tank was easier

like, BC/Cata

[uneven mason]

I enjoyed raid leading when I Could be an asshole

and get praised for it

nowadays players are crybabies

can't criticize em for nothing

[lusty grotto]

lol

that makes me wanna call out shit even more

[uneven mason]

raid team I'm with right now is like "You can't call people out"

its against the rules

and I get why

[lusty grotto]

what sort of millennial bs is that

[uneven mason]

but back in my day

[neon tangle]

My guild is very much in favor of calling people out

[limber wigeon]

The important part of raid leading is assigning specific people to call out specific mechanics. "OT call out middle soaks of vectis"

[lusty grotto]

as it should be

[uneven mason]

I'd be like "YOU FLIPPER HANDED F**K PIG, I SAID STACK!"

[neon tangle]

In fact, when we've been wiping, our raid leaders go back through and list who wiped us for every single wipe

and post it in our disc

[uneven mason]

yeah

thats shaming

[lusty grotto]

hoho

[uneven mason]

I was about flaying

[limber wigeon]

I think there's a difference between constructive call outs and being a dick though.

[neon tangle]

I mean, they are also certainly dicks

but it's kinda deserved

[lusty grotto]

shaming was a fucking big thing when i was in Assent back in EQ1 - because we were US #1

[neon tangle]

a BM hunter died to thrash on fetid twice in a row

like, at the beginning, just stacking on the tanks

[uneven mason]

Wife literally admitted to me, after we had been togethe for a while, that she was legitimately pushing herself to not make mistakes because she was scared of being yelled at......now its reversed..

[lusty grotto]

people would flat out call you shit in whispers/tells

would make someone playing today shit and piss their pants for sure

[uneven mason]

Assent? (FOH, AFterlife, LoS would like a word with you mr.#1)

Triton too

[lusty grotto]

Assent was #1 US after DoD

[uneven mason]

oh

who give a fuck

EQ died in Gates

thats where EQ1 ends

[lusty grotto]

ewww Gates

that exp fucking sucked

[uneven mason]

"We're #1 in 100% instanced raid content" /yank

Gates was the pinnacle of get your big boy pants on

being in Cestus Dei and getting stonewalled at Txevu because it was just literally unbeatable

"oh a raid boss that can only be DPS'd by charmed pets"

with 7.8million HP

[lusty grotto]

yea i joined Assent as GoD was ending

[uneven mason]

I was a necro, I'd be like yup...adds are dead...gonna go take a nap, see you in 3 hours

[lusty grotto]

lol

[uneven mason]

well I had to manadump the snot out of the dispellers

that curse

something nasty

chain ressing warriors because the dude could flurry for 2k more than their max HP once defensive fell

that was a raid

[lusty grotto]

i did Omens, DoN, DoD and PoR where we got fucked in the ass by bugs on the last raid - then i quit to start playing WoW

[mossy dew]

Hey guys how is prot feeling on the ptr?

[uneven mason]

missed some quality stuff in pre fix GoD

[lusty grotto]

in Assent

[uneven mason]

Prot feels like butter melted into astroglide

on the PTR

[lusty grotto]

oh i played EQ1 since kunark

[uneven mason]

but yeah they finally fixed the boss so damage shields and summoned pets could hurt him

made him a lot easier

then Tacvi

only raid boss to survive past the Xpac launch

Tunat'muram

[lusty grotto]

I started in E'ci then moved to Maelin to join Assent

yeah we did those while we were progressing in OoW

[uneven mason]

"I heard you liked all these insane raid bosses, so we made a boss that literally does everything they do, at once"

[lusty grotto]

needed that gear

[sand egret]

When in doubt, throw a “ ‘ “ in there to “spice” up the name

[uneven mason]

its a title

the Muram part I guess, since the final boss of the next Xpac ws Mata'Muram

[lusty grotto]

his full name was Tunat`Muram Cuu Vauax

[uneven mason]

yeah

[sand egret]

just rolls off the tongue

[mossy dew]

Does prot feel even more durable in m+ on ptr now? Being able to block more things the other changes sound good.

[uneven mason]

"Welcome to Gates of Discord - the exapnsion you just say shit with confidence and conince people you know what you're saying it right"

Yes Cam

[sand egret]

Durable? sure, better? def

[uneven mason]

blocking shoot/rocks

makes me feel like a real man in Siege

and TD

[mossy dew]

Yeah blocking shoot/rocks is very nice

I'm excited for 8.1

[gray wolf]

magical rocks

get it right

[mossy dew]

Azerite changes and prot changes look like good stuff

[neon tangle]

It is certainly going to make it feel better in m+

[sand egret]

yup, looking forward to it

[neon tangle]

Wondering if I'll regret rerolling

who knows

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean rerolling

[neon tangle]

I rerolled to BDK

[lusty grotto]

you mean you made prot warrior your alt

[primal crypt]

LOL

[neon tangle]

yea

[wintry ermine]

-> 🚪

[primal crypt]

REROLLED

You'll be back

[lusty grotto]

but you didn't delete it

👍

[neon tangle]

naw, he's still sitting there at 375ilvl

[lusty grotto]

that's fine

[primal crypt]

This week is the ultimate cheese for warriors

[lusty grotto]

should be gtg at 8.1 anyway sadbox

[primal crypt]

after that we just do 1 x 10 a week

[wintry ermine]

we won't be close to BDK after the changes, it doesn't help with our lack of utility which BDK is so far ahead of everyone in

[neon tangle]

I can't really decide which one feels better to play

Death strike is a fun button to press

[wintry ermine]

so if your bdk now, you'll stay bdk

[primal crypt]

Warrior feels better

much better

[neon tangle]

@wintry ermine Verdict is still out on BDK in raids next tier

dunno how that's going to end up

[primal crypt]

I started the expansion on my BDk

ended up swapping more to the warrior

[wintry ermine]

Why would you think that?

[tropic star]

thats like the opposite of waht everyon else did lol

[primal crypt]

lol

bunch of cry babies

[wintry ermine]

the only thing my co-tank (BDK) is complaining about is how boring the class is

[neon tangle]

@wintry ermine I mean, warriors getting buffs and they can already be decent, BDK getting no buffs for raids could... make it interesting

[primal crypt]

leaving warrior because it's too "hard"

[neon tangle]

It is indeed fairly boring to raid tank on

[uneven mason]

BDK

isn't even in raids because of survivability

they don't have an edge on that

[wintry ermine]

well they cant have all the utility in the world and also be top 2 in raids can they?

[uneven mason]

but Grip

and grasp

is like adding 400% EHP

[signal plover]

I'm actually leveling my bdk this weekend to gear him on off night runs and have him available next tier. Judging by what's out there about the fights I expect at least one mythic strat to be trivialized with grips.

[uneven mason]

I'm gearig my BDK

[signal plover]

Honestly I should have done that this tier

[lusty grotto]

i'm leveling my VDH

[uneven mason]

becasue I'm trying to teach people how to M+

[lusty grotto]

i can't enjoy BDK for shit

[signal plover]

But fuck I just don't have the time for all the grinds again

[outer dew]

I mean, play what you enjoy

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

and my warrior is out of shit I need from M+

[outer dew]

some people obsess about pushing high keys

[neon tangle]

@signal plover yeah the neck grind sucks

[outer dew]

but plenty of people don't have the skill level for it

[lusty grotto]

at least it'll be instant 375 @ 8.1

[primal crypt]

Vdh is next on my list

Or brm

[outer dew]

like I know I'm starting to feel my limit at points

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[primal crypt]

Brm just feels dopey

[signal plover]

I play warrior and am at 6/8 with it and have no issues in m+. But when I see us struggling with orb knocks on mythrax prog and think, man if I had a garage bdk to help with this it'd be great

[neon tangle]

BrM did not feel fun for me to play

[primal crypt]

Vdh is another fun class

@signal plover its amazing

The grips

Especially in heroic where it doesn't really matter

Mass grip everyone at once lol

[signal plover]

Like I played grippy bitch on M agg and it was so much fun I didn't even mind benching the warr for that one fight

Also my DKs name is Fartnado and he's the best

[primal crypt]

Fun times M Agg

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[primal crypt]

Fartnado...

[neon tangle]

BDK is a lot less boring in m+ cause you're spending the whole time gripping and doing shit

at least IMHO

[lusty grotto]

that's a real classy name

haha

[primal crypt]

Is that what they call you in ventrilo?

[neon tangle]

raids it's..... pretty much sit there, wait for shit to happen

[signal plover]

Ventrilo?

[lusty grotto]

ventrilo? is this 2008?

rofl

[signal plover]

Jesus what is this 2008?

[primal crypt]

Ventrilo

[signal plover]

Ayyy

[primal crypt]

You guys don't use ventrilo??

🤔

[lusty grotto]

can't tell if trolling

[primal crypt]

🤔 🤔

[midnight vigil]

👀

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

it's 3 PM damn it

i need my coffee

[primal crypt]

Must be a ravager prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

best talent

[outer dew]

???

you don't use ravager?

[primal crypt]

Ravage my way through vent

[lusty grotto]

indom + ravager = best talents

indom my warries

[primal crypt]

Don't forget heavy rep

[lusty grotto]

lord sco has spoken

[primal crypt]

Heavy rep + punish

[sand egret]

Woah....ya'll don't use Ravager?

How else am I going to utilize my macro that shouts out quotes from the 1997 classic, The 6th Man, when I drop that bad boy?

ya'll weak.

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

Ravager for life

[sick sentinel]

Name fits

[primal crypt]

LMAO

[uneven mason]

kidding

[primal crypt]

You lying @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

thats when I use my Lion's

and my RA swaps to crit

+++

[lusty grotto]

lol

[primal crypt]

about to have so many warrior that check here sporadically swap to Ravager

[uneven mason]

lol

[primal crypt]

They gonna take that screenshot

and spread it around

OMG LOOK

[lusty grotto]

jesus

i'm gonna be inspecting every prot warrior now

time to make that "specced ravager" album @ imgur

[neon tangle]

implying that anything said here will change how good or bad random prot warriors are

[outer dew]

you know

[sand egret]

if history has proven anything

[outer dew]

i've thought about running ravager for m+

really thought about it

[sand egret]

imma do it tonight

[primal crypt]

Not for the dmg obviously

[neon tangle]

BDK gets ravager baseline, that's why they're better in m+

obvs

[sand egret]

gettin the macro out baby

[lusty grotto]

like.... as-you're-taking-a-crap-kind-of-thought ?

[primal crypt]

Since it does less dmg than revenge

[outer dew]

no more in

[sand egret]

fuckin gettin my Avatar macro out too

[outer dew]

if I did this with a comp

would it work

[primal crypt]

WHY would you think about ravager

I need explanation

[sand egret]

IT SPINS

[lusty grotto]

but, then AM 😦

[primal crypt]

Plz

[outer dew]

because I run with a monk/boomie/dh occasionally

so some large pulls basically go

[primal crypt]

Plz tell me something good

[lusty grotto]

muh cooldowns

[outer dew]

trees-> pure dps mong no defensives

[primal crypt]

Gooder

[outer dew]

-> dh stun follow mong dps

[primal crypt]

Explanation

[outer dew]

-> last stand -> mong dps

[primal crypt]

I have to go

[outer dew]

->RoP -> Mong DPS

[primal crypt]

I've had enough

[sand egret]

be the change we want to see in this world

[primal crypt]

My head

[outer dew]

Shockwave -> Mong DPS

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

but but but

[outer dew]

->Run like a bitch if at this point pack hasn't died

LMAO

[lusty grotto]

listen

[sand egret]

cant

parried all commends

[lusty grotto]

lol

y'all need jesus

[sand egret]

why

we got Ravager

[lusty grotto]

shit, you're right

[outer dew]

i've had thoughts

about rolling a DH/BDK

but then i get lazy

[lusty grotto]

let me stop you right there

[uneven mason]

replace best served cold with Ravager

[primal crypt]

iiiiiuuuuuuuu

YASSSS

[lusty grotto]

🤔

guys listen

i have a better idea

[primal crypt]

NO

[neon tangle]

I'm 100% gonna try a best-served-cold + vengeance + callous reprisal build for m+

[primal crypt]

BEST SERVE RAVAGER

[lusty grotto]

1. make ravager baseline
2. put bladestorm in ravager slot

[neon tangle]

MAYBE even never surrender if I'm feeling weird

[primal crypt]

why the hell would we have bladestor

storm

as a prot warrior

[neon tangle]

shieldstorm

[outer dew]

because

SPIN TO WIN

[lusty grotto]

i just thought it would be super fun times to slap my shield as a tornado

[outer dew]

TASTE OF MY BLADE

[primal crypt]

oh my sweet jesus

we're going down the rabbit hole right now

[lusty grotto]

then we can have 2 tornadoes "of death" at the same time

[sand egret]

As long as my blade can still cut a tomato

[sharp dew]

Lmfao y’all are goin nuts

[neon tangle]

you think we're weird, you're the one who went from BDK -> Prot warrior in 8.0

🤔

[sand egret]

prot main bear alt in 8.0

i win that one

[frosty wedge]

I did the same thing

[uneven mason]

bear alt

[sharp dew]

Give this man an award

[uneven mason]

can confirm

[wintry ermine]

monk main, BDK alt pre BFA

[lusty grotto]

my Holy Pala is LFG for M+, invite me hordies

[frosty wedge]

My first 2 chars levelled were prot + bear

[neon tangle]

@sand egret I mean, I don't kink shame

[frosty wedge]

then I went BrM/BDK

lol

[neon tangle]

whatever your'e in to

[lusty grotto]

i'm leveling my mage now :x

[frosty wedge]

I'm levelling my last tank... lol

[lusty grotto]

want to do VDH after

[frosty wedge]

I have Prot, Bear, BrM, BDK, Pally, my VDH is 115

[lusty grotto]

then no more alts

[neon tangle]

I got no time for alts :/

[lusty grotto]

120 warrior, hpal... 113 mage, 110 vdh

[frosty wedge]

prot/brm/BDK are all around 370

[lusty grotto]

my hpal is only 340ish

😦

[frosty wedge]

pally is 360, bear is 355

[lusty grotto]

almost 350

take my hpal for super fun M+ times

will not disappoint

i'm ravager talented

yes, you heard that right

[frosty wedge]

I'm away until sunday night but I'd run with your hpal :p

I'll even bring one of my plate tanks so I can feed you gear, lol

[lusty grotto]

😄

i should level my druid too, but im not touching guardian

resto 4lyf

[sharp dew]

@prisma crane @vast sedge You boys still playing prot or nah? Or did you guys quit and start 2 months late into xpac like me xD. Don’t see y’all in uldir all stars

[prisma crane]

i still play

but im semi retired

i joined my GF's guild, only 2/8M, all orange though so im alright with it lol

how you been @sharp dew

[vast sedge]

I don’t play this shit game anymore and I didn’t play prot or warrior this xpac

Sry

[prisma crane]

lmao @vast sedge

what you up to these days?

Fortnite's been my jam lately, it's honestly a lot of fun

[sharp dew]

Well damn lmao @vast sedge

[vast sedge]

😃

[sharp dew]

Good brother doing good, just starting back up the grind hoping 8.1 will be a lot of fun

[prisma crane]

yea, it wont change a lot for us apart from better IP feel, which, if you just started up again, that's teh worst part of the spec from a feels perspective

[chrome falcon]

I'm pretty sure 8.1 is going to make us absolute monsters in m+

[sharp dew]

Yeah the rage dumping is awful currently, especially when you’re sitting on revenge procs in avatar

[chrome falcon]

As in, we will be unkillable and do stupid damage

Our utility is obviously still h e i n o u s

[prisma crane]

it'll nerf our aoe dmg, help AM in aoe, and buff us against ranged attacks

[chrome falcon]

Our aoe damage is not nerfed

[prisma crane]

well, nerf our aoe that lasts longer than 14 sec

[chrome falcon]

More rage=more avatars

[sharp dew]

True, krotos is talking about the azerite trait nerf though

[prisma crane]

in select burst, yea, it'll help

[chrome falcon]

Our new avatar trait is so nuts for m+ that we won't notice it

[prisma crane]

the mastery one right?

[sharp dew]

New trait?

[chrome falcon]

Yes

mythic BoDA avatar trait

[prisma crane]

gives us like 600 mastery or some shit i thought i saw

[sharp dew]

“Waits for link” :p

[chrome falcon]

gives 700 mastery

[prisma crane]

ah 700,yea

[chrome falcon]

popping avatar gives a shitload of mastery for 20s and casts a free IP

[sharp dew]

Danf

[chrome falcon]

if you stack up 3 of those bad boys

[sharp dew]

Dang that’s nice

[chrome falcon]

holy fuck

you will be shitting out so much damage

[neon tangle]

I envy your ability to think it's gonna change prot much 😛

[prisma crane]

but worth dumping DC? i think i'd prefer 1 and 2 then

i think the ability to block ranged attacks will help more

[chrome falcon]

the extra ring means we get 6 spec traits

[sharp dew]

Just ip off the gcd is enough for me to know it’ll make gameplay less clunky

[neon tangle]

@prisma crane I think it's gonna be on the outer ring

[prisma crane]

and ST we're gonna barely change

oh, right right

[neon tangle]

@sharp dew yeah it's gonna feel better for sure

[chrome falcon]

3x avatar trait 3x DC

and my dps can afk for trash

[sharp dew]

Get the legion feeling back a little bit at least

[prisma crane]

i'd like to see us gain rage more quickly on ST though

make TC give 10 rage or something if it only hits 1 target, idk

[sharp dew]

That would be good

[neon tangle]

@prisma crane eh, I don't mind our single-target rage gen too much

[chrome falcon]

that would be NUTS during avatar

[sharp dew]

We ask for 10, they would give 6

[prisma crane]

but our ST rage gen is sub 8 per sec

it's shit

[sharp dew]

Antorus rage gen please

[neon tangle]

I mean, best case we'll get more IPs, and we already take low-ish amounts of damage in raids

[prisma crane]

except it'll allow us to cycle CDs better

and more IPs helps us look more viable to others, which matters

[uneven mason]

IT'll allow us to cycle CDs more efficiently, its a RPS gain

[neon tangle]

with the SB changes I don't expect that we'll run in to issues w/ CDs

[sharp dew]

No more rage capping cuz you’re trying to pump dps and ip on the gcd

[prisma crane]

yea IP off GCD is a RPS gain, but marginal

[uneven mason]

its two sided

[prisma crane]

and only becuase of more chances of SS

[uneven mason]

since it removes the opportunity cost of IP

[chrome falcon]

it's more than marginal

in m+

[prisma crane]

idc about aoe though

[chrome falcon]

in big pulls you overcap rage

[uneven mason]

IP had about a 2.5RPS opportunity cost

[chrome falcon]

oh sure in raids it barely matters

[sharp dew]

M+/always will definitely make the biggest difference

[prisma crane]

aoe is so easy to cheese anyways

[chrome falcon]

on a single target raid encounter i'm pretty sure this is a nerf because DC is so good

[neon tangle]

I think the changes hit us in the place that did hurt some: m+

[sharp dew]

Aoe* not always

[uneven mason]

Nah Matt

[sharp dew]

Autocorrect op

[neon tangle]

like, fixed some of what hurt in m+

[uneven mason]

the SB Uptime

[prisma crane]

it'll be a wash

we crit a bit more with SS

but SS is a fraction of our dmg compared to what it once was

and in my opinion, should be

[sharp dew]

I miss constant 2 mil SS during battle cry 😢

[neon tangle]

@prisma crane obvs need to take punish + heavy repercussions

[prisma crane]

if the opportunity cost wasnt so massive....

it's why i wished that SoTB ring gave us AM or HR

then it wouldnt have come off in legion

[sharp dew]

Punish should be baseline imo

[prisma crane]

as should reflective plating

[sharp dew]

If they really want to boost st raid scenarios

[neon tangle]

even just keeping up the damage reduction from spell reflect after the first reflect

would be good

[sharp dew]

Yes please

That goes back to m+ overall though

[neon tangle]

reflective plating, on that short of a CD, would be pretty wacky for m+

[sharp dew]

That’s the legion 50% all spells reflected gold trait yeah?

[neon tangle]

"Spell Reflection now reflects an unlimited number of spells during its duration."

[sharp dew]

Yeah and the extra 30% miti

[neon tangle]

I didn't play in legion, so tbh all this shit sounds really over the top

[sharp dew]

Ahh, you missed the golden days of prot :p

[neon tangle]

like legion was a peak in the power-creep of everyone

[sharp dew]

Well only in Antorus, tos and nighthold weren’t that great for us but not terrible

[young iris]

We were god tier in EN before the IP nerfs

[sharp dew]

^

[uneven mason]

^^^

lets hope they give us the warlock treatment

considered crap for the first patch

then demigods therest of the Xpac

[sharp dew]

Little 5% str and Stam, ranged physical blockable-100% confirmed yeah? And ip off gcd, definitely will help a lot in raids

[young iris]

it smooths out the rotation, i dont think it will be the fix-all people are hoping for. IP that is

[neon tangle]

IP off the GCD isnt gonna do a ton for raids

[stark sage]

prot also doesnt need a ton for raids

[sharp dew]

Just s gameplay smoother for sure

[neon tangle]

Like, survival wise

it'll feel better tho, ya

[sharp dew]

Agreed prot is pretty good in raids people just look down upon it

[young iris]

just gotta be proactive instead of reactive

[sharp dew]

Yup

[young iris]

apparently thats hard for most

[sharp dew]

Which is what makes this spec a lot of fun for me personally

[neon tangle]

@sharp dew It's a pretty punishing class if you mess it up, so I think that's a lot of the community's experience

[sharp dew]

Definitely, that’s how it was in legion as well

[neon tangle]

like, I've tanked alongside a pile of prot warriors, and they are almost always baaaaaaaad

[sharp dew]

Yup lmao

[neon tangle]

like taking devastator bad

[young iris]

maybe im a masochist, but i enjoy the higher skill cap and being proactive

[neon tangle]

@young iris I dig it, it is certainly fun to play prot, especially on the PTR w/ IP off the GCD

I mean, a lot of players are bad I guess, community perception mainly seems to track which class is hardest to fuck up 😛

[sharp dew]

I went on like a 5 minute rant of loving the skill cap of prot warrior on stream last night talking about how playing in Antorus and legion in general it’s all about how you use your buttons and when you use your buttons and knowing what to do to squeak out the best dps and hps and give your healers the easiest job you can

@prisma crane you know those days :p

[neon tangle]

I've played with shit of every spec tho really

me and another BDK tanked h uldir yesterday, I had literally 2x the deathstrikes

[uneven mason]

@neon tangle generally said - easy to play generally translates to better perfomrance on average, thus community perception views it as "better' In an absolute sense.

[sharp dew]

^

[neon tangle]

Pretty much

[uneven mason]

regardless that in the majority of situations all of the tanks are more or less equal when played properly

[young iris]

I can only hope that the "You heal 1% of maximum health for every 10 Rage you spend." from mannoroths bracers becomes a talent point. Thats my only wish to replace indomitable.

[uneven mason]

where the rbeakdown is

is Utility

[young iris]

a ranged interrupt like gag order

[uneven mason]

and IMO warrior should get a survivability boost substantially over the other tanks to make up for our lack of real utility

[stark sage]

you better hope that is more than 1%, @young iris at our current rage gen levels that wouldnt never outpace indom

[neon tangle]

I think it's fair to say that prot is one of the harder tanks to play right now, and it's coupled with a lack of (useful?) utility abilities

[uneven mason]

I'll correct that sadbox

Prot is an easier tank to fuck up

not nessisarily hard

[prisma crane]

ha @sharp dew i do miss the days when i could single handedly salvage keys or muscle through moments when my OT fucked up. sadly, those days are mostly gone

[uneven mason]

but easy to make mistakes on

[prisma crane]

i've said this before, we're not difficult, we're punishing

and those are two different things

[sand egret]

more opportunities to make mistakes

[young iris]

@stark sage thats true, im thinking of what gear levels we will have 6 months from now

[sand egret]

and the mistakes are felt more

[neon tangle]

also arguably, mistakes aren't super... apparent

like, doubling up CDs, etc only really shows itself 1+ minutes in the future

[stark sage]

other tanks dont die if they make a mistake

[sand egret]

well the flip side is that doing it well isn't reinforced other than...not dying I guess

[stark sage]

atleast not as easily

[neon tangle]

not a great feedback cycle to improve the average person's gameplay

[sand egret]

binary function of a tank, and a big issue with tanking in general

us doing well is not dying, the degree of which is diffused

[signal rune]

Make a mistake on a VDH.

[sand egret]

in some cases like BrM it falls way more on the healer

[signal rune]

I double dare you.

[prisma crane]

that goes two ways too, cuz there's tanks who feel that since they havent died, they're great at what they do, which is often just wrong

[neon tangle]

@stark sage this is also true, you taunt too early on m zek or something and you can get 1-shot, at least on a BrM or DK the healers have a chance to make up for your mistake

[prisma crane]

cuz idc how little healing you required, if you did 2k dps, ur playing like shit

[signal rune]

AM is cooldown and King Tazdingo does his blade combo? Bye VDH.

[sand egret]

considering how often he spends running away from you...

[signal rune]

Considering he also runs at 500% speed

[sharp dew]

Gigaspeed

[sand egret]

I dunno about DS's timing or CD but that boss I don't find a huge window where I won't have blocks

[neon tangle]

This just hit me

[tulip pond]

What is more important, DC or Archieve/Matrix to enable array in Uldir?

[sand egret]

between his leaps and gale slash casts

[neon tangle]

Could I heroic leap away from void lash?

[prisma crane]

DC

[signal rune]

block cooldown is already lower than DS

[sand egret]

what's the CD?

[signal rune]

and will be even more in 8.1

20 seconds.

Block is 18 and 16 in 8.1 right

Before haste

[sand egret]

ya

[signal rune]

Yeah so. Yikers.

[sharp dew]

@neon tangle good question, go try it :p I feel like we’re really strong on zek and magic 1 hits in general though

[sand egret]

Prob worse, but there's also tools

[signal rune]

Gearing up my warrior but they are gonna have an edge over VDH in terms of tankiness in 8.1

Probably already have. Less room for fuckups though

[neon tangle]

I'm curious how they are gonna do in 8.1

[signal rune]

I think IP of the GCD is really huge for trash tanking.

Rage for days, IP for weeks.

[neon tangle]

they are still fairly far up there for higher m+ keys

[signal rune]

BDK > BrM > Pala > The rest.

[prisma crane]

someone will have to pencil math this for me but

i feel like the excess rage we get during trash packs isn't as high as we'd think

[shut summit]

✏

[prisma crane]

it's just that we're perma capped now because it's faster than we can spend

lol

[sharp dew]

I can see that

[prisma crane]

there's an ICD on the rage from melees

[neon tangle]

@signal rune Just numbers wise, VDH is the second highest representation at 15+ keys

[prisma crane]

it's not unlimited scaling

[neon tangle]

62% BDK -> 14.7% VDH -> 10% BrM

[lusty grotto]

context my dudes

[sharp dew]

Not spending any rage because of tc+revenge procs we eventually hit cap, but you’re spending 0 rage for 5+ seconds unless you’re in need of ip to prevent dying ofc

[neon tangle]

9.1% pally... 3.1% warrior.... 1.2% bear lol

[signal rune]

I checked top 100 runs yesterday, first VDH was at 97.

[prisma crane]

VDH arent that high because of their tankiness though

[lusty grotto]

those percents off IO?

[signal rune]

Guardian in a nr 94 run.

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto yeah

[signal rune]

Guardian > VDH

[lusty grotto]

k

[signal rune]

kappa

[young iris]

thats +15 completed in time? or just overall representation

[neon tangle]

@young iris keys >=15 that were timed

[lusty grotto]

i mean lets be clear about something

[prisma crane]

yea @sharp dew i just want people to understand that i still dont think, even in aoe, that we'll be using IP like we did in legion

[sharp dew]

Definitely not

Plus it’s 40 rage base

[prisma crane]

yea

[neon tangle]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict#minMythicLevel=15:maxMythicLevel=99

[sharp dew]

But even if it wasn’t, we still won’t be spamming it as much

[neon tangle]

That's the actual page I'm looking at 😛

[lusty grotto]

I don't think 15+ should be taken as actual represenation

[prisma crane]

is the cap going to 2x for sure or did i just hear that randomly?

[lusty grotto]

like most people don't give a shit past a 10

only ones that do are looking into MDI levels

[signal rune]

First DH is 75.

[sharp dew]

If you can 2x ip that’d be nice but I haven’t heard that

[neon tangle]

10-14 just swaps BrM and pally

[prisma crane]

but you don't balance around stuff people can outgear like a 10, you balance around difficult shit

ideally

[neon tangle]

still DK -> VDH

[lusty grotto]

fair enough

you'd think that blizz would look at those specific rankings and go HMMM 🤔

[signal rune]

ehh ofc DK > all the other tanks by 1000 miles

[frosty wedge]

yeah, just look at raider.io m+ runs, lol

[neon tangle]

Just saying that VDH has pretty good representation (relative to non-BDK tanks) in m+

[prisma crane]

you'd think having 1 tank at the MDI would be enough to 🤔 but hey, that's just me

[lusty grotto]

JK guys lets nerf arms warriors, just because hek hek hek

yeah that too of course Krotos

[neon tangle]

They are, by the numbers, the next best m+ tank

[frosty wedge]

58% of 15+ runs or higher are DKs

[sharp dew]

Someone said this a while ago randomly but in D3 leap barb has the rune*where it pulls the mobs into you, having TC group mobs into you closer each time you use, that’d be nice

[lusty grotto]

you mean Sigil of Chains is the 2nd best M+ tank?

[neon tangle]

@frosty wedge If you do timed runs it's 62%

huehuehue

[frosty wedge]

yeah @sharp dew that was me - Arreats Crater

[lusty grotto]

😉

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto Not wrong

[frosty wedge]

or something similar

[prisma crane]

but it's also because those players who are capable of doing 15+ would rather not shoot themselves in the foot and just play a BDK to push higher, so it's a cycle of course

[lusty grotto]

😉

[prisma crane]

not that other tanks cant do 15+, but why do it on anything else

[frosty wedge]

exactly

[lusty grotto]

right

[frosty wedge]

that still shows a balance problem

[lusty grotto]

yup

[stark sage]

if you look at all keys, bdk is at 24%

[signal rune]

community perception

[stark sage]

balance is a main factor, but also just general popularity

[sharp dew]

24%/6 tanks

[signal rune]

i live the pug life and i see bads asking BDK ONLY for shit like +8

[prisma crane]

if i'm new

and idc what i play

i look at what's good

and play that

[frosty wedge]

yep

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[prisma crane]

and it feeds itself

this is the same shit that fucked alliance

[stark sage]

right, a slight imbalanced blow out by community perception

[lusty grotto]

everything balance-wise snowballs

[prisma crane]

but

[frosty wedge]

Alliance deserved it after how easy they had shit in vanilla, lol

[prisma crane]

that slight imbalance, even if truly slight, is enough to gain players for a class, gain popularity for the community, add value to a player

[lusty grotto]

cough im an alliance traitor since WoD

[frosty wedge]

loladins and fear ward

[lusty grotto]

oof dwarf priests

[neon tangle]

I link this a lot, but even tho there is imbalance in healers, they still see far more even of play than tanks

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287949/jdotb-bfa-q-a-6-blood-dks-in-the-tank-meta-arcane-torrent-and-faction-imbalance

[prisma crane]

right now if i was a new player who wanted to raid, why the fuck would i ever go alliance?

[frosty wedge]

you're a masochist?

[sharp dew]

@prisma crane so true

[signal rune]

you are 12?

[lusty grotto]

what's the actual faction balance up to now?

let's say region wide

[prisma crane]

more younger players play horde, they're edgier

[neon tangle]

@prisma crane I think this also... kinda feeds in to some bad players too

[stark sage]

overall population is like 1% in favor of alliance @lusty grotto

[neon tangle]

If you don't care enough to google, see what's good, etc

[lusty grotto]

really?

[prisma crane]

@stark sage not anymore

[neon tangle]

you are more likely to end up playing a "bad" spec/class

[prisma crane]

alli have had higher overall pop for a long time, until recently

[frosty wedge]

overall players - more alliance than horde still

https://realmpop.com/us.html

[neon tangle]

and if you didn't google in the first place, who knows if you read the guides and stuff too

[sharp dew]

I think the better question would be how many 8/8H horde vs ally NA

[lusty grotto]

weird

[sharp dew]

Since most people will want to raid and heroic clear is pretty base standard for the average casual player by the end of the tier*

[stark sage]

thing is casuals like pretty races more than they like monster races

[signal rune]

calling belfs monsters

and nightborne

[stark sage]

most of the high end raiders go horde because thats where more of the good raiders are

[neon tangle]

fun story, in cata I decided to transfer from my dead realm to a high pop one

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck? hunters win on both regions

[neon tangle]

Downside is that I didn't pay attention to the horde:alliance ratio

[sharp dew]

Lmao that sucks sadbox

[neon tangle]

ended up on a 10:1 alliance:horde server

wondered why raiding was still shit on high-pop servers

[lusty grotto]

well at least that doesn't matter now

[neon tangle]

It... very much does

[prisma crane]

im on US sargeras, one of the highest pop alliance realms

[lusty grotto]

except for mythic of course

[prisma crane]

it's impossible to recruit

[lusty grotto]

but then again xrealm mythic is on now

[sharp dew]

My toons are Mal’ganis and I xferred my bdk to ally to play with some friends at the end of legion and I didn’t care to spend extra for realm transfer so I know the 10:1 ratio pain lmao

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto https://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/connected-crushridge

Imagine trying to find a guild / recruit on that server

(this is where I came from)

[lusty grotto]

my guild went from Arthas to Malganis in TBC (ally), then BDF in Cata (ally) then finally back to Arthas as horde in WoD

i wonder if you know Smog mighty

not sure how long you've been in malganis

[neon tangle]

My guild that stopped raiding / died is still #31 on that server w/ 3/8H

[sharp dew]

Only been on MG since end of ToS in legion but the name sounds familiar

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if that fucker is still around

horde ud mage

master ganker

would do some epic gank duels with me

[sharp dew]

I think I played maybe a couple days as ally so a waste of a transfer but it was my bdk so I didn’t care about it anyways

But getting the empowered artifact in silithus as ally on MG all my guildies and other people I knew just killed me over and over again lmao

[lusty grotto]

nvm he quit during cata

found a topic asking about him and his gf

[sharp dew]

Tbh I thought it was going to be a warrior you were talking about lol

[lusty grotto]

nah a mage

he had a warrior called harikari though

[sharp dew]

I think it’s just a Celiolit and I that were on MG in legion, maybe another but I can’t remember

[lusty grotto]

vanille was his gf (i think) priest pocket heals

trying to remember who else i knew in MG

mostly alliance since i was alliance back then

[sharp dew]

I don’t see celio in all stars for BFA either I think he’s playing a different spec

[prisma crane]

Celio came from Sargeras, alliance

last i talked to him i think he is playing something else

they xferred to malg after M Argus kill, super late in legion

[sharp dew]

Yeah he’s still in but my parse last I checked