Syringe is stronger in both offensive and defensive value at that jump
#protection
sand egret
I guess I could go back and forth on the value of on-deman vs random
but yeah that's a big jump
rose moat
Survivability wise I seem to do good... I will be teh first to admit im not the greatest tank, which is why Im always trying to learn it 😃 Its also why I asked since I know STR is one of teh biggest reasons
sand egret
lol wut
uneven mason
Your crit (stat) has no impact on Critical blocking
rose moat
Crit increases parry chance
rose moat
didnt realize it was a 1:1 ratio though
uneven mason
yeah
rose moat
thank you for the answers 😃
median wigeon
Anyone know what stat prio would be for pure DPS ?
restive mauve
Dagger in MH
uneven mason
Haste > crit > vers > mast
restive mauve
🤠
uneven mason
I want to get a syringe when I kill M Vectis tonight
so I can use that an Lion's
and RA
and be like 70% parry
when I do Fetid
"Plate monk"
uneven mason
I'll spec Devastator too for that sweet parry haste DPS bump
That being said, Vectis hits so stupidly hard.
took a hit without mitigation up (The other tank died suddenly) nice 94k across my nose.
dusk locust
his damage pattern took me by surprise the first few pulls for sure
sick sentinel
Slapped you with his bloody arm noodle.
uneven mason
I think the best was when I managed to stay up with 4 stacks of Evolving Affliction..
"Prot is bad"
5th killed me
primal crypt
The sheer amount of bad tanks is bewildering
My god
They think tanking is just getting hit
It's so irritating
zinc mauve
Everyone knows that tanks and healers are never supposed to do damage
That 3k dps your healer is putting out is definitely the reason you died, not tanking 3 volcanoes in a row
uneven mason
@primal crypt Well, I mean, if you play brewmaster
That is basically all that is involved
"I'm here ME WIN TANKY!"
what it feels like playing BRM
compared to even BDK
frosty wedge
naw, you can tell the difference between a good and bad BrM - especially in m+
primal crypt
This bdk went about cleaving 3 people
frosty wedge
lol - no, I mean, properly using CC, kiting, properly ring placement, etc
uneven mason
memes aside
primal crypt
Proceeds to chase me down
open bluff
in m+ sure, in raid? only the healers notice and that's only if they've actually played with a good brm
frosty wedge
which is rare, because BrM is so easy to play no one learns how to play it well
quick elk
Hey guys, feel like im one of the warriors going around giving you guys a bad name. i tanked HC ghuun yesterday and it was not fun. could anyone take a look at my logs to see why i was so bad plz - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jGPCfRTWznYp4MZD#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=2
digital arrow
good morning prot bros
winter aspen
You cast spell reflect once ?
frosty wedge
your demo shout uptime is... not great
uneven mason
@quick elk You're offtank is a douche canoe
you're taking 7 hits from Ghuun
you swap at 5
or he trucks
winter aspen
Its magic dmg reduction for free
uneven mason
the living fuck out of you
digital arrow
hey drag how'd u deal with add comin out right after it was your turn to tank swap?
did u reset taunt or did u just walk up to add and tc it
uneven mason
BTW below 20% you can tank swap like fiends to keep his damage low
like, almost on CD
quick elk
oh dear so much wrong 😃 i hat to heroic leap to reset once otheriwise i was just hitting it
digital arrow
i dont know if its just me but i am getting massively unlucky with g'huun's mechanic timings
uneven mason
how I do it is I let the paladin take it first
to 5 stacks, and then taunt
he taunts at 5
and then every time he gets the explosive cast
I taunt
frosty wedge
you only had 10% demo uptime on phase 2, 12% on phase 3
digital arrow
mact you don't taunt off each other right after each explosive?
uneven mason
which is about 4 stacks for him
The caveat to that is
I'll shield wall
and take 8 hits
to get the 4th explosive
quick elk
Isnt most of the dmg physical? should i have just been using sr before he does that wave thing maybe?
uneven mason
so I can reflect it and we can all clear stacks
SR stops the Explosive debuff
use it on that
sick sentinel
He only casts it on u when ur tanking him, at least from my exp
uneven mason
right
sub 20% he won't cast it on a tank at all
But you can spell reflect every other Explosive
quick elk
there was many wipes when we taunted off each explosive. but i was taking so much dmg he just kept it for longer and longer.
frosty wedge
^
uneven mason
lazy fucking druid
swap at 5
there is no reason to hold it longer than 5
at all
just decide who gets the explosives
quick elk
all of this is really helpfull
daring marlin
the fire rises
quick elk
we will have to be more organised on the next one for sure
uneven mason
then swap at 5, then just swap whenever explsie is cast
Warriors can reflect it
So its best to just make sure you have it for the 4th explosive
since that will overlap with blood feast
uneven mason
you can reflect #1 or #2 but not #3
because if you use it on 3
it won't be back up for #4
digital arrow
got it
digital arrow
when you guys do get it though, where do you try and drop it? i usually end up dropping it near orb runners' exit because i need to keep my tanking space clean and i've not enough time to run all the way to the edge of the wall
it really sucks
sick sentinel
My guild tanks him near mid where he comes out
sick sentinel
So we drop near the walls and all around the sides
sick sentinel
^
uneven mason
you're going to kill the last orb runner if you shit where they come down
because Reorigination is going ot melt their ass before they stack up
digital arrow
yeah
sick sentinel
Try to have ur DPS not drop their debuffs in those areas, since u need it to run back in
digital arrow
i make a tight little trio of circles when i do get it
quick elk
yeah mistakes were made, but i cant control them 😃 can only control how much i now know i wasnt mitigating
uneven mason
But yeah, Drag, clean up the taunt swaps
work on your DS Uptime
another tip is
before he comes out
while the first beam is out
use TC
and intervene people
go into phase with full rage
quick elk
nice idea
will do
will give that all a go when we run normal . thanks! there is one other point which i was just reading through on icy veins. do you aim to have an IP and SB up as much as possible or if you have a big IP do you let you SB recharge a little more?
uneven mason
like TC generates its 5 rage no matter if it htis something
"big IP" isn't a thing
you keep SB Up 100% effective
sick sentinel
Never not have Sb up
uneven mason
and use IP when you have the rage
sick sentinel
If can't get SB up use LS
uneven mason
basically bank 30, use IP at 70
always have rage for SB
^^
there are times where you're going to want to spam IP
so you use LS
to have bolster going
digital arrow
do u guys sb when not actively tanking just to get that ss damage buff?
sick sentinel
Nope
digital arrow
whaaaat i do it when i know i dont have to tank swap for a good while
uneven mason
that 30 rage
graceful mason
I do that at hte beginning of taloc pocky
uneven mason
cast revenge
graceful mason
but thast the only time I can think of
digital arrow
i see
quick elk
i found that i would have no charges if SB left when i sued on cd. thats when i woul use demo or ls, or sw right ?
graceful mason
literally once in the entire instance
sick sentinel
That minor dmg increase is not worth it to use SB when not actively tanking
open bluff
it's more damage to use revenge when you don't need SB, and you don't need SB when you aren't actually getting hit
uneven mason
remmeber SB is sequential with recahrge
thats 13+ seconds
between tanking...don't think that happens much
but the point more so is
you want to enter into taunting
with an IP up
and full rage
so bank it
as you can
robust wave
I like Avalith's point. If you're looking for a small increase in damage, start thinking about what else you can do w/that GCD
I've got 2 trinkets. One is +15 strength and a chance to add crit. The other is Rezans eyeball with its chance to increase haste. I got caught up in the 15 ilvl difference, and was using the crit. But, the haste is better yeah?
uneven mason
what crit trinket?
overall though yeah, haste is better.
Rezan's will give you more literal uptime on SB
crit probably reduces damage by more in a vacuum
but its unreliable
haste ALWAYS reduces SB cooldown
while you may parry, or you may not *shrug
sick sentinel
@quick elk you use demo shout literally on CD
For maximum blockage you SB3times then LS then SB 3 times again
sharp raptor
Hey guys I got a question about vectis: when I progged it (I'm brew), I had a BDK co-tank, and we taunted at 2 stacks which basically meant we were each tanking the add, but then my warrior co-tank came back from vacation and he taunts off me at one stack, but I do 2 just cause that's how long the add lives. It ends up being that I'm always tanking the add and he has boss more of the time, but I look at details and damge taken is about the same (not what I would have expected)
Is he doing this because he read it on a strat or just....?
quick elk
@sick sentinel understood on the blockage side. are you saying i shouldnt Demo on cd? or i should? ty !
steel mauve
Should
You want demo up as long as possible
The higher uptime the better, and its exactly half the cd as avatar so you can avatar before every other demo for the dc trait
sharp raptor
Also on an unrelated topic, you know how it seems that warrior tanking is SB up as much as possible while using CDs to smooth out downtime? Do you ever save Demo for this downtime if you're not gonna have SW or LS up?
Or you just demo on CD and don't worry about it?
sick sentinel
We demo everytime it is up
sharp raptor
That's how I've been donig it (only tank M+ on warrior though not really raids)
steel mauve
With bv demo is both defensive and offensive, so the more its up the more dmg we do and less dmg we take, plus with AM its only like a 25 second cd
daring marlin
If you demo whenever it’s up (with enough haste) your uptime should be really high anyway
steel mauve
With dc it should be above 60% easily
daring marlin
ez
steel mauve
On a couple of the bosses i can maintain above 70%
sick sentinel
70% 👌
steel mauve
Vectis ive hit like 69% and fetid and zekvoz i can maintain 71% or more
robust wave
What is "LS" ? I don't recognize that acronym
steel mauve
Last stand
sick sentinel
I remember first week where somebody had 71% and we thought he was a God
At 10 array stacks and 380 ilvl its substantially easier
steel mauve
I had to make weakauras with sound effects so i would hit it on cd with out thinking about it
sick sentinel
Good idea actually
steel mauve
For demo shout and avatar
robust wave
I'm about to have to do that.
sick sentinel
Can you like pm me both of them so I can check it when I'm home
steel mauve
Im a big fan of sounds on weakauras, and since i taught my self how to make weakauras i customize most of mine myself
Sure
robust wave
Yeah, there are a lot of visual ques in the game already. Custom sounds are a smart addition
maybe mine needs to say ouch whenever IP falls off....
sick sentinel
I say the ouch when IP falls off
steel mauve
so you can get that noise spammed 90% of a fight? lol
sick sentinel
When I look at my hp bar
steel mauve
there are a lot of visual queues, but if i reduce the amount i need to look at specific areas i can look at other areas
now i dont need to look at the bottom of my screen to see if its off cd, i just hear a sound and hit the button on the next gcd
robust wave
Yeah, very clever. I'm new, so just keeping track of all the instance visuals is Tol Dagor (is that the prison?) was nearly more than i could manage
steel mauve
to make most of my weakauras work though i go into dbm and customize what information it gives me, since im not raid leading any more i can just customize it to only offer info on what pertains to me, and the sounds it gives off, since i use weakauras to do mostly every thing any ways, dbm gets redundant
even on taunt swaps, i made a grouping for all the debuffs we get in raid and for ghuun added his stacking buff into the group to give me an air horn on when to taunt off my co tank, the stacks for debuffs are our personal strat that we use for taunting
robust wave
dang son
steel mauve
i like audio better than visual and dbm always has a standard taunt now which is usually not how we do it, so i just make my own, and like i said, the less i have to pay attention visually in one area the more i can some where else, and people usually react faster to audio than a visual, plus im a major advocate of weakauras, i love the add on and use it how ever i can to make my job easier
sand egret
when I used WA's they were super useful
uneven mason
WA > DBM outside of specific timers
sand egret
audio queues I've found are great for any sort of plate-spinning/maintenence tracking
I'm weird and don't even listen to the sound of my game anymore so it doesn't quite work for me, but I also don't use addons so /shrug
sand egret
siiick!
i moved to number 5 on my server last night!
not bad for a guildless pugger 😃
sand egret
haha well dang
uneven mason
I'm 23, but I've got 3 10s lined up this weekend
which will fill in my gaps
so probably jump to top 5ish
just haven't take nthe time to do any real M+ing beyond my 1 10 a week lol
midterms are past though and its an easy week
sand egret
I shored up a huge gap in my score which pushed me up 2 spots
uneven mason
but yeah, with how few I run as prot
I was shocked
that I was almost first page
I heal them on the druid more than I do the tanking (because lol prot)
at least for pugs
but since they've "returned my tank license" for the mythic roster
I guess I'll get some raider.io up
try and get some warforged shields
I've got a TD/ADx2 waiting for me on Saturday
I think
still...
sick sentinel
Well I just did a +12 KR, and wow, it was the most painless run ive ever done on KR
uneven mason
KR is ez on Tyrannical weeks as long as you can meet the 1st boss DPS check
robust wave
If you have high performance, over few runs, that gives you a higher score than somebody with a lot of poor performance, who than became better?
sand egret
but I went from a 355 MH last night to a 375 with a socket. This came from the infamous "eh, maybe one more run"-run 😃
sick sentinel
Now I just UR to be +11 and I can finish pushing the last set of keys I need to +12
sand egret
AFAIK while it tracks your overall runs, I think it just posts your highest in re: to your score
sick sentinel
it tracks all runs, but posts higest run, not best
sand egret
so if that poor performer became better they'd eventually turn those poor scores into goodies
uneven mason
No Thanojan it only scores your top run
sand egret
but it's a valid point, I do look at # of runs and stuff when I see a player
sick sentinel
If you decided to actually look at a persons io page and not just their score ingame u can see how much time they had left before the key was over
sand egret
the "score" is not even the first thing I care about tbh
sand egret
i care about A) highest run of the current dungeon, B) range of affixes on those high runs (like did they just do it all this week on ezmode or did they get good runs when it was a harder week?) and C) number of runs
sick sentinel
for that dungeon
Not gonna look at someone with a high key run but low io score
(Which is a lot of people)
sand egret
to me that tells me they've a) seen this dungeon scale to the current key level b) they can handle the affixes and c) they actually know what they're doing and didn't just get a carry that posted
score is a decent indicator but definitely not the only thing, which some people just take and that's that
sick sentinel
For me its the best indicator to just LOOK at ur page
I want to see that the person doesnt have just 10's for several keys but they are all untimed
since untimed 10's give 90+ io
sand egret
solid point
uneven mason
@robust wave Its no really that much to get caught up with, start with lower keys, learn the routs, the Trash % is the same in ever one (except for teeming weeks)
sand egret
that 900 can be quite deceptive 😃
sick sentinel
^
sick sentinel
U know how many times ive seen groups I want to join with near 1k io but 2/3's of their keys are fucking untimed
uneven mason
but the TRASH you need to kill will ALWAYS be the same
next ermine
can also download method dungeon tools
uneven mason
the trick is, being able to squeeze fat panda asses past trash you don't need
sand egret
solid addon
next ermine
and some custom routes
uneven mason
and being able to kill mobs within a space the size of a broom closet in some of them
sick sentinel
Ive found only 1 group that knew MDT was
uneven mason
infact the being able to kill mobs without moving more than 10 feet is the greatest skill
sand egret
if you're pugging don't count on it, but it's good to just get a top down view of a dungeon
and where the trash is
uneven mason
I would say you can aquire
next ermine
also helps you plan your own route out
next ermine
if you want to sit down before hand
uneven mason
bring up Method dungeon tools
robust wave
@uneven mason I haven't played sense Wrath. So I'm learning the new class, and how players gear up, and what addons are now used. Taken separately, you're right, its all pretty straightforward 😉
sand egret
yep, esp because it shows %'s
uneven mason
and the walk your way through it
robust wave
Is there a tool, similar to Method, which puts the info onto the normal map?
uneven mason
@robust wave we all learned prot from scratch this Xpac, its a totally different animal from Legion, I'd say coming from WOTLK you're at an advantage
robust wave
it would be nice if i could hit M and know where to walk, and where to skip
next ermine
well
robust wave
Ah, nice! something in my favor 😃
next ermine
you can do that with MDT essentially
sick sentinel
OH MAN, this is great
frosty wedge
all depends on class makeup of your group too
next ermine
MDT is a map
sick sentinel
Some tank on my server thinks he can take my number 1 spot for the realm
uneven mason
Legion taught us a lot of bad habits
frosty wedge
MDT is a map, but it's also a % counter
uneven mason
MDT is a map, its also an information hub
when you click on a trash pack
it tells you whats in it
what mechanics they have
what % they add
next ermine
what realm @sick sentinel ?
robust wave
So, what i need tho is also shortcuts.
sick sentinel
Dalaran
frosty wedge
right, but that depends on your group makeup
next ermine
you can draw on the map and everything
sick sentinel
He has 1 15 untimed AD and a 14 WM
frosty wedge
if you have shroud, if you have lock gates, etc
robust wave
which i can add onto Method. so maybe i should just start taking my own notes
uneven mason
mmhmm
robust wave
@frosty wedge I see what you're saying, lots of variables
frosty wedge
yep, there are also top groups that post routes and whatnot
I love watching Lepan's group run keys
it's like an art form
uneven mason
Also, wtch Sense when he's doing his prot streams (but not when he's doing his BDK streams, the filthy traitor)
frosty wedge
Lepan, Asmon, speed, gingi and gotyo work so well together it's insane
frosty wedge
lol
next ermine
souls crushed, but competing is competing
sick sentinel
@robust wave This is Method Dungeon Tools
frosty wedge
meh the BDK nerf is barely a nerf
uneven mason
there is no real nerf
frosty wedge
armor works out to be the same
next ermine
bonestorm capping at 15%?
frosty wedge
and bonestorm still heals 15% max HP per second
robust wave
@sick sentinel is the white line the path? I don't see a line when I open MDT
frosty wedge
in high keys you basically D&D and blood boil shit to death while your DPS kills it
sick sentinel
Yes its the path
sick sentinel
and also to indicate if im pulling trash with other groups
and that little yellow 1 button is a note
robust wave
Do i have to do something to show the path? such as select all packs/
frosty wedge
and if your group is using it you can share the route
uneven mason
which cna be found in many places
sick sentinel
Once u download the MDT there is an arrow on the actual map whenever u bring it up
It allows you to make lines, put notes, etc.
uneven mason
will nerf will make some impact
sick sentinel
If you import strings from wowhead or....reddit.... it might have other things
robust wave
I imported from wowhead, iirc. I wonder if they left the path off their strings, to allow it to be more vague, on account of not knowing the player's group comp
sick sentinel
Im starting to make some now for my guild since not everyone in my guild pushes high io but I could imagine for whoever wants to have an easier time at +10 or below would like the route
robust wave
Or maybe I just imported it wrong
sick sentinel
possibly
next ermine
its weird to import stuff
sick sentinel
For my Temple run that i posted, i have noted near the boss that there is a little white neutral add that follows the stealthed add
So if you see it, if ur range attack it if I dont
sick sentinel
yup
It also contributes to burst/bolster
or at least burst
I tend to forget bolster weeks for how boring it is
uneven mason
TFW you play a race because it has things that make content way easier...call other folks babies...#Irony
My dwarf was a Orc
but then they added upright, and maghar..
daring marlin
Top m+ for bdk in motherlode running bonestorm=not pushing I guess
@uneven mason lolololol
uneven mason
k
daring marlin
jk they all use bonestorm to push
depending on the dungeon the healing from bonestorm comes close to death strike too
loil
fringe marten
Anyone know how the key system works, for getting your key...IE you delete your key and run an M0 or any "Mythic" tier dungeon..you get 1 key lower than whatever you did that week. However is it rotating on the hour or so? We're deleting keys to get new keys and 4 out of 4 people..will get the same key every time.
That's not random, there's no way
And your keys will always upgrade/downgrade into the same couple of keys...does it rotate on time, is there only a 2 or 3 dungeon pool each day?
..I can't remember if I had Fireblood the last time necrotic was a thing? or after? I didn't think the racial would cure it, it does?
uneven mason
tbh I don't think it does
It removes grevious though.
so there is that at least.
I Know that one for sure.
I wasn't a Dark Iron last time nercrotic either haha
vocal nimbus
Necrotic changes to a physical dot tho
uneven mason
might remove it than, as that'd be like a bleed...
sand egret
definitely doesnt remove bursting
uneven mason
No
sand egret
so mebbe not
uneven mason
sadly
vocal nimbus
Dunno if the change was for 8.1 or is live already
sand egret
its a 8.1 thing AFAIK
uneven mason
I mean they could just dick the race over and make it not remove fuckall
wouldn't shock me tbh
should totally make it work in Raids tho
give Alliance an OP race to counter bloodelves
Zul's DoT lol narp, Darkiron, Vectis dot, narp, Darkiron, Zek debuff, Narp, Darkiron
but, pipedreams
sand egret
uh...ok....
uneven mason
in raids I mean
sand egret
cant argue with that ironclad logic
uneven mason
can't even EMFH out of CC mechanics in raids anymore
I guess shadowmeld has a use
wipe recovery
👏 extra pulls gained by not running back
sand egret
just all around solid reasoning. legit cant tell if you’re trolling at this point tho...2018 is a tough time to be on the internet
uneven mason
not even trolling, just cynical
ember crest
dark iron racial is useful
cleansing those trash stacks, little buff on bosses
sexy fire beard
strong forum
It is useful, but it's not still not comparable to purge or mini lust
Especially sine the only affix you can reset is grievous
uneven mason
Its "useful" but not Like, Blood elf mass dispell
strong forum
And the fact that mini Lust is 15sec instead of 8 is just retardedly op
uneven mason
which completel ynegages a mechanic on one of the hardest bosses this tier
*negates
uneven mason
more or less its not that its "on one boss"
its because that it affects a raid mechanic at all
strong forum
Well zul is retarded overall in the sense that class stacking makes it incredibly trivial
uneven mason
2 DKs, 5 rogues LOL win
strong forum
Well still need 3 tanks I reckon for p2
But yeah, they need to do smth about rogues
uneven mason
yeah add 1 VDH (yay VDH get to shine)
dusk locust
i still don't understand what the tank roles are in p2
strong forum
2 tank zul, other kites
uneven mason
1 luckyboy runs around the outside with Crawgs
dusk locust
last time we were talking about this i thought it was 3 tanks swap zul and you go 2 stacks each tank
strong forum
And I'm the OT for crawgs
uneven mason
you can do that on heroic if you're struggling keeping tanks alive
frosty wedge
you can do either way Kauda - common strat is 2 tanks swap on zul, one on crawgs though
dusk locust
this is for mythic specifically
soft condor
Deconstructor memories surging in
dusk locust
that i'm thinking about
uneven mason
So Zul procs his "cone" off of melee swing
signal plover
One tank in charge of crawgs is best way
strong forum
On mystic you have tanks take 3 stacks and 1 is crawg kiting
uneven mason
you can literally have the kiting tank taunt as he moves away from Zul
and then another tank taunt back
and you create a 6second gap~
with no bleeds
another Cheese
frosty wedge
yeah, I usually leap and have him chasing me, then he gets taunted back
strong forum
Tfw we transition and I have aggro of everything cuz based prot warri dmg
dusk locust
we're gonna have bdk, veng, and prot war
uneven mason
folks shit on Prot warriors so much but VDH and Druids are so much worse than us in raids
dusk locust
i don't feel that much better against zul's bleed
strong forum
No tank feels good
dusk locust
our bdk shrugs it off
uneven mason
better IMO than Druid or VDH
strong forum
Since the dot is insane
strong forum
80k+ every 2sec, nobody handles that good
uneven mason
he's probably pooling runic power for hte swap, healing himself to full then using vamp blood and that blooddrinker shit while he jogs it out
frosty wedge
yerp
uneven mason
That isn't shrugging it off any more than pooling rage
strong forum
Or just be monk and midigate anyway
uneven mason
using DS just before the swap, rolling IPs and then Last stand heal/ SHield wall (interchageably) while you leap it out
strong forum
Idk im just guessing and hating
uneven mason
monks get blown up on Zul
Druids IMO deal with it better as long as they have high mastery
since its a % Healing buff
I should say
druids are easier to heal through it
than a monk
But yeah no one tank is laughing that off
cept paladins
frosty wedge
lol bop
uneven mason
they literally giggle as the steed over and bubble it fucking off
then get it again
and giggle as they steed over and BoP it off
frosty wedge
yeah, as any tank besides pally you're probably better off just jumping off the fucking side and gettig bres'd
dusk locust
what's the routine then... p2 starts, veng is kiting crawgs, you have bdk pick boss up and take 3 stacks, then i'll take 3 stacks, and we go back and fourth?
frosty wedge
at least then you're not dropping a pool, lol
uneven mason
can't be Bressed off the side
final mist
Can confirm, I do giggle as I Divine Steed and BoP myself.
frosty wedge
yeah you can, your body spawns back in the middle
frosty wedge
at least on HC your body comes back to mid
final mist
By throwing hammers at people who joke about bears.
strong forum
You can have 1st tank get like 4-5 stacks and then get bopped if you have a pally
frosty wedge
I have't done mythic
uneven mason
TIL I can jump off the side and be bressed in the middle
frosty wedge
true
strong forum
Kek hc
uneven mason
will probably be on Zul next week
frosty wedge
worth trying once in mythic :p lol
uneven mason
They benched me for 2 weeks
frosty wedge
get 4 stacks, leap off the side
uneven mason
and hit a wall in progression
frosty wedge
:p
strong forum
Oof
strong forum
Tanking fetid is the easiest shit in my life
dusk locust
they probably weren't stuck b/c of the tank
uneven mason
Well no
ofc not
but I'm going to point it out
they'e stuck because our DPS is 😰
frosty wedge
yeah MT fetid as prot is a joke
strong forum
Well we did have our fair share of walling with fetid had the most wipes I think
Like 80
uneven mason
I will say this though
before I came back in, they had only transistioned Zek once..
after I got back into it, we transistioned zek nearly every pull
strong forum
Zek was the biggest wall yet cuz people were retarded
uneven mason
just would die to that overlap because our DPS was low
uneven mason
right as he transitioned we'd get our 3rd add wave iwth a surging, and eyebeam
and void
bit more DPS
we'd never get the adds
strong forum
Well make a dps stop at 45%
Problem solved
That's what we did until we got better dps
Literally stupid to push to 40% if you can't get it before 3rd adds
uneven mason
But eh, nice to be back in the saddle...if only I Could get these 360 somthing folks to run more M+
I have a feelin we'd have benched a ton of them if we had sufficient replacements
strong forum
360s monkaS
uneven mason
mmhmmm
frosty wedge
360?! I don't even raid and my two main tanks are 370
uneven mason
these same people who are like "why'd we stop doing heroic"
strong forum
Not being 380 at this point is fucking rip
dusk locust
attendance boss is the hardest
uneven mason
and I'm like
frosty wedge
I hve a 373 monk and a 371 BDK
strong forum
371 kekekekekek
frosty wedge
plus my warrior that I haven't played in like a month is 368
uneven mason
"Because thoes of us who have been doing our 10s every week are literally wearing 385 in half our slots befor we stepped foot in Mythic raid, wtf were you doing"
yeha like my druid within the first week
passed some folks up
strong forum
Rip dude
frosty wedge
I don't get why people don't run m+ - that shit is WAY more fun that raiding
uneven mason
they're nice people
strong forum
We have slackers but the lowest we have is 375, xcept the rogues
uneven mason
and yeah 100% agree Mike
if I get a solid group in M+ I Just chain run em
one of our "MIA" folks just came back from a long break
was my favorite healer
frosty wedge
oh god, I was looking to maybe get into raiding next patch so I "trialed" with a guild this week that was supposedly 3/8M and 8/8 Heroic
frosty wedge
spent 3 hours teaching their MT how to do the fights properly and we only got to Mythrax in heroic
robust wave
what does 8/8 and 3/8 mean?
frosty escarp
means H guild
strong forum
Killed bosses
uneven mason
3/8M 8/8HC
strong forum
. Kek
uneven mason
is 3 in mythic difficulty, 8/8 H
frosty wedge
but yeah - Zek was hilarious - their MT is a BDK
and he wasn't AMSing during lash
like
come on.
uneven mason
😨
strong forum
B@sed
frosty wedge
but this is an easy week?!
daring marlin
It’s free fucking loot
strong forum
There's only few people that like m+ in my guild but they're low score
uneven mason
its the easiest week ever
robust wave
wait, it is?
strong forum
Yes
uneven mason
yeah
frosty wedge
I'm actually sad I'm going away with the GF for the weekend
robust wave
isn't it like, buffed bosses?
uneven mason
tyrannical, volcanic, whats the 3rd?
strong forum
It's almost easiest week possible
frosty wedge
raging
uneven mason
raging lols
daring marlin
Only temple might be annoying cuz first and third boss but who cares
uneven mason
ok thats why I didn't even notice it
robust wave
is that cuz its simple?
strong forum
It's weak
daring marlin
Still ezpz
robust wave
rather than.. idk, addional mechanic?
strong forum
Overall weak
uneven mason
yeah the mechanics are totally avoidable or non punishing
strong forum
It's low dmg
uneven mason
raging is only a proble mwhen its combined with Fortified (Trash damage)
I joined a +4 TD
frosty wedge
yeah, raging tyrannical weeks are a joke
daring marlin
lol
strong forum
Cba pushing keys anymore though... Kinda burned out atm so I try to tone it down
daring marlin
Did he stand in the ranged and just not move?
frosty wedge
volcaic, had to be a +7 or higher
robust wave
Hey, on trash, are you guys using the stun as often as possible? I haven't, and now I think its probably amazing
robust wave
ll
uneven mason
Oh shit maybie he was just dying to the caster shit!
robust wave
lol
uneven mason
LOLOLOL
frosty wedge
Raging is the +4 key, +7 is volcanic, lol
strong forum
Imagine doing a +7 this late into the expac :topkek:
daring marlin
what the fuck is this game anymore
strong forum
I literally only did 1 +7 and that was week 1,
daring marlin
man the amount of non 10 keys on alliance makes me mad
frosty wedge
I run 10s on 3 different tanks every week usually, lol
strong forum
Even 10s are low
daring marlin
also people putting a high io score required when they usually have half that crack me up
uneven mason
that irks the shit out of me
rapid drift
how much haste is everyone running with into the fray?
uneven mason
I'm no 1200score mastery
daring marlin
That should tell you how much of a meme alliance is now
robust wave
hey, i'm not doing +10, and yall are hurtin mah feeling T_T
uneven mason
but like, if you're asking 900 for a +9, you ebtter have a timer in every fucking dungeon
daring marlin
@rapid drift as much as possible
strong forum
900 for 9 is perfectly reasonable
daring marlin
without dropping ilvl
uneven mason
right, 900 for a 9, when they have a 500~
strong forum
Thano, it should be a cause for you to push higher :P
uneven mason
=dude who paid for a 10 the week before and wants a free carry this week
strong forum
This
People selling boost advertising 1k score, has 700
Fucking fun
Selling runs with 1k score to begin with
It's hilarious
frosty wedge
yeah it's insane, also people on my server selling 10 carries for 2 wow tokens worth of gold
people are actually paying like 40 bucks for +10 carries?
strong forum
If you have only 1k score you literally can't boost a 10
dusk locust
we sell runs a fair amount. so many people who have only ever done 3 or 4 runs and they're all chested 10s
just looking to fill out score so they can pug
frosty wedge
yeah, honestly most of my group probably only has 700ish scores, and we could easily carry a 10 - the score is deceiving, we just only really run high keys for easy dungeons, lol
uneven mason
Getting a freehold 10 is free money
strong forum
Yeah, wouldn't invite anything lower than 1300, low score shows low commitment
frosty wedge
we run an 11, all get 10's delete shitty keys, and get free 9s
uneven mason
I should do that so I can just get my score up this weekend
frosty wedge
I run with the same people pretty consistently, so we have no incentive to go run a 10 temple or 10 sots
daring marlin
I got a 370 vial so I’m happy
frosty wedge
I'm not saying 10s are hard - just that some dungeons are easy as hell vs some that actually require effort
strong forum
We literally timed a 10 with a 340 havoc and 350 rogue
uneven mason
SoTS 10 on explosive was the hardest dungeon ever.
strong forum
Yeah sots is cancer
uneven mason
FFFFFFFFFFF
frosty wedge
lol - last boss of temple on explosive was stupid
uneven mason
Explosive orbs literally spawning inside of AE pools 50 yards away that you can't get to
dusk locust
sots explosive was insane
uneven mason
that was fucking stupid
dusk locust
i spent 2 hours in there
frosty wedge
hexers fully out of LOS spawning explosive
frosty wedge
then my ranged DPS are liars, lol
uneven mason
cna literally stand on the edge of it and caster nukeeverything in the room
they're idiots
"its LOS" no you're out of range
move up
to hit the far hexer
you have to have your nuts in the wall
robust wave
See, this is why I'm excited for mythics. Less people for me to realize are actually idiots
sand egret
as far as M+ for me as I move up it's just more and more of me going...."how the heck did you GET here and NOT know that you have X ability?"
I swear 30% of rogues I play with even know what "Tricks" means
12% of mages know what the Spellsteal ability does
90% of balance druids will use treants when it's 1 mob left at 20% hp.
daring marlin
Poor blade lol
sand egret
50% chance per Disengage to pull an adjacent pack
Don't think I've seen a warlock use a Soulstone yet
I should just start a blog: Life of a PUG Master
100% chance that my group will interrupt a spell when I have SR up. <--- my fav stat
subtle fable
to be fair to the druids, treants is only 60s cooldown and its extra dps / astral power so I'd be more concerned if they were holding it as an oh shit button for the whole dungeon
I more hate it when they treants on pull before I get shit sorted out lol
sand egret
so why not use it literally any time before
I prefer it on pull tbh
that's usually when the shitstorm is the worst, imho
sand egret
but the point is: It ain't a DPS gain if the mob dies before you get a cast off.
which is usually the scene. Just me hanging with a fresh set of the Tree Amigos over a pile of bodies...
carmine bison
is archive worth using in M+ over BFI?
carmine bison
yeah but probably not over ilvl right?
daring marlin
Plus str so good
Probably not. They’re most likely using the morher helm which is amazing.
carmine bison
yeah, which i still havent gotten in many heroic kills and 2 mythic kills 😦
daring marlin
😦
oblique garnet
TIL critters can get infested cost us a timed +15 freehold
Utter bs that on the bridge headed to the last boss theres an infested critter + another infested pack
caused all hell break loose
robust wave
Truely brother, in the eyes of the old god, are we not all but critters
oblique garnet
Not really when you are an immortal being that can be resurrected over and over again but you get fucked by one squirrel infected with ugly worm
It didnt help that the critter was the same color as the ground so literally impossible to see
sand egret
gotta respect that critter tbh
worthy karma
people have killed mythic zul with prot warrs. right?
oblique garnet
Yes
sand egret
not a lot of em can say they stuffed a +15 run consisting of a 5 literal god killers
oblique garnet
Yeah we did a +11 earlier and didnt even realize the critter was there since we would just instagib the spawns but then on +15 it was more noticeable
sand egret
Critter takes a drag of a cigarette and gestures to the other critters
“Man, Ive seen some shit”
“But today....today gods bleed!”
_ critter crowd erupts in cheers_
signal rune
well as soon as the ghuunies spawn break out the stuns
oblique garnet
Yeah that was the only issue we had since none of us was prepared for them
We only realized there was an infested critter when the worms spawned too far from any of us and infested the patrol
signal rune
yikes.mp4
sand egret
May all know its name....
ominous music heard in the distance
not gonna lie Late, your story made my night. that shit is so funny
oblique garnet
But wait theres more
sand egret
critter all hopped up on G’huun juice like
oblique garnet
We literally had 0 deaths before the critter
sand egret
“ITS PAYBACK NOW BITCHES”
oblique garnet
We had 10 afterwards
oblique garnet
Oh god i can just imagine bwonsamdi
sand egret
Dev: “Ryan, did you really add a specific voiceline for Bwomsandi if a player dies to critters...”
Audio Lead: “Yeah.”
Dev: “No one is ever gonna see it!”
Affix Designer: winks at Audio Lead from across the office
Audio Lead: “Mmhm”
oblique garnet
Id have to look through my friends stream to find out the exact moment where all went sideways
”Oh shit there was an infested critter” ”oh god this is not good” aand we ded
signal rune
DONT RELEASE
vocal imp
i
queen owl
can i get some context please?
whats this about a critter? I dont see any pictures or videos
deft hinge
no gods; only critter
queen owl
i
dusty prairie
i know it might be minor in the end but what do you guys prefer Impassive Visage or Resounding Protection for tier 3 azerite
trying to decide on which on the Mother helm
signal thicket
Do bosses do active mitigation check abilities in BFA? If so, does the block buff from bolster count towards it?
open bluff
no, brewmasters make AM checks basically impossible
dusty prairie
If its blockable Bolster will take care of it like Shield Block, there really isnt anymore AM checks like stuff from BRH 2nd boss anymore from what i can tell
signal thicket
Thanks guys, turns out I have been overthinking a few dungeon bosses
supple path
@dusty prairie Was running both traits for a while, I got more healing out of impassive visage over the course of typical runs.
dusty prairie
ya based off the internal CD visage would do more I was just wondering how people felt since Visage will heal after the dmg so was wondering if people liked the damage prevention more
supple path
I personally like damage prevention less because it's more likely to be absorbed in situations where the healer isn't doing anything else yet, so sort of wasted, but I'm sure there are some circumstances that justify it.
e.g. if you're going 10-15 seconds between incidents of taking damage protection gets shinier.
dusty prairie
I'll see how it feels between both, doing Mythic Mythrax and he really hurts so was just trying to min max this dmg intake, thanks for the opinion on the 2
chrome falcon
Not really
You should kite them in p2
When the tank damage because absolutely fucking absurd
But we 3 heal so there's like no healing available for me
covert comet
got a gear question [Girdle of Burgeoning Apathy] Ilvl -380, 235 str, 395 stam, 75 Haste, 105 Vers vs [Emblazoned Stormsteel Girdle of the Harmonious] Ilvl385 247Str, 417 Stam, 79 Ver, 105 mastery.
my current stats are Crit 20% Haste 13% master 22%, Vers 6%.
covert comet
thats becasue most are stats are pretty close to = right?
hushed cobalt
Why not the 380 as it has haste and the 385 doesn't?
covert comet
thats what i was thinking.
lusty grotto
its because armor and str are better than anything
lusty grotto
yep
covert comet
what about with rings/trink
lusty grotto
there's leeway in rings, and trinket it depends
like 5 ilvls are fine if you're going for secondary stats
maybe 10 even
but that's about it
covert comet
okay so im good then i have a 365 with haste and a 370 without it.
lusty grotto
otherwise haste
it's in the icy veins guide pretty clearly
you should take a look in the pins
amber siren
@dusty prairie There's been quite a few people post their healing logs using Visage and it's honestly pretty substantial
astral crystal
finally got fucking mythrax down
and got the sword, 395, socketed with avoidance
dear god
fair brook
Prot. The sleeper #1 tank of 8.1.... shhhhh don't tell them yet
ember crest
gz
little rain
Do. Not. Tell. Them.
sick sentinel
fuck I did
sick sentinel
and the Shieldblock CD reduction
lavish oracle
And we can block ranged attacks
sick sentinel
and intercept going off GCD
lavish oracle
Is rallying cry coming off too?
sick sentinel
yes.
lavish oracle
Rad
quick elk
Ah cool cool , thought there was more recent one 😅 I got all excited
twin roost
dumb question, im using 2 technically dps trinkets for prot cause theyre 395, think blockage would be better to help me survive?
cinder nova
6/8M
oblique garnet
Lingering Sporepod any good?
lavish oracle
I think it's better than people give it credit for but not good
vestal hedge
so just got a 365 Rezans gleaming eye with a socket and speed, should i replace my blockades for that?
outer dew
Fuck. I pushed 1300 io this week. But I won't be able to push this weekend
I think I could of easily got 1400-1500 qq
@vestal hedge for what content?
For raids. I would probably prefer blockade
For m+ rezans give a nice bump in strength and a dps buff
vestal hedge
cool thanks i will keep blockade for raid than
sick sentinel
@vestal hedge if you think you need the blockades to survive, then keep blockades but personally I would use DPS ones
ofc it matters what trinkets are those
opal dew
Prot legit sleeper tank of 8.1? or still the meme tank?
sick sentinel
because if it is like syringe, that's a lot of crit for example that translates into parry chance
@opal dew we're gonna go BIG but don't tell anyone
sonic saddle
is there any info regarding any possible new traits for prot warriors in general for 8.1?
neon tangle
@opal dew no changes that really change why we aren’t brought to m+
daring marlin
better tell them prots doing 17/18 keys in time to quit it then
neon tangle
I mean, I get what you’re saying, but prot is something like 1% of the keys at that level
And capable of vs excels at is a pretty different metric
daring marlin
TFW the new raid asserite has a fuckload of DC on it
neon tangle
I think we will do better in raids, prolly still worse than monk, but good
outer dew
I mean, do I have a group that's willing to work around me? Yes. Do most people want to try prot or run with prot? Nah
I'm #1 prot warrior on server and that's sitting on 1300 memes
Kinda depressing
Ngl
lavish oracle
1300 is good, though
Like, you're no Lepan, sure, but it definitely puts you in top 1%
outer dew
Iunno. I'm on a fairly populated / raiding server
outer dew
Was thinking US Sarg would have more prot warriors
Because next is like 1200 and rest are sub 1k
daring marlin
disgusting panda
neon tangle
@outer dew what’s your rank for all tanks?
lavish oracle
Are they adding a new ring to Uldir Azerite gear?
neon tangle
On your server
outer dew
28
lavish oracle
What's it matter @daring marlin
neon tangle
That’s the shit of it, Sense is the #2 warrior in US, #5 in the world
And he’s still #7 for tanks on just Tich
At least for m+ you’re putting a ceiling on your ability
outer dew
I'm not sure about ceiling. I just know I play a bit different than other tanks from word of mouth
daring marlin
How's that?
lavish oracle
Well the reason we're not picked isn't really because of our survivability, its be cause we have no utility (beyond our absurdly high damage)
outer dew
I go for smaller pulls vs larger pulls that dks will and if I do pull big it's just cc casters and go hard if meele heavy
I have to go for damage vs large pulls
So I have very low IP
gray wolf
i love them big melee packs
acoustic echo
does the discord livebot have a certain delay before it notifices everyone?
outer dew
Because I'm dumping rage into revenge
gray wolf
best thing in the world
outer dew
Which is what one of the healers I run with noticed
lavish oracle
I dump rage into revenge too if its not a caster heavy pack
outer dew
I'll have a Boomie treants, -> full DPS
gray wolf
my healer just tosses ironbark on me on cd
lavish oracle
I trust my healer :smile:
outer dew
And follow with last stand and full dps
neon tangle
@outer dew I guess the way I see it is; given equal skill (i.e. top 10 world player) people are getting more distance out of BDK and other classes
lavish oracle
Mostly just BDK, let's be real
neon tangle
That’s all I really mean by you’re putting a ceiling on yourself
daring marlin
pretty much that, yeah
neon tangle
Yeah, mostly BDK 😛
gray wolf
tfw> you get picked over a bdk
neon tangle
And the fixes incoming don’t really address (all of) why BDK is super good, and why warrior has issues in m+ compared to them
outer dew
I want vial or doomsday trinket zzz
outer dew
I mean
neon tangle
Not... really
outer dew
But I do like the changes
outer dew
Like it fixes my ML pulls or wanting to rope myself in KR during fortified week
daring marlin
you must be joking
neon tangle
Looking at the high keys Lepan and people are running you don’t normally have much more than 5 mobs
It’s more of a nerf for islands 😛
daring marlin
VOMIT
outer dew
Getting instagibbed by throw wrench
Is the most depressing thing when I was doing a ton of ML keys
gray wolf
throw rock 🤔
outer dew
Nah, you can really see it in ML