protection

[sick sentinel]

become sanic.

thunder stomp forever.

[uneven mason]

playing prot with avatar and hero

is like if Dragonforce did a cover of Thunderstruck

or the Chipmunks

pick one, equally fast

[lusty grotto]

not saying he wouldnt want it to be haste, just speaking generally

but ITF should push him to trigger haste RA

unless if his mastery is much much higher

[daring marlin]

I had 50% mastery in uldir last night from RA

[frosty wedge]

ITF doesn't add to haste total for RFA

[daring marlin]

shit was whacky

[frosty wedge]

RA*

it's a 15% haste multiplicative, RA is based on the ##, not the %

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i wasn't aware

i thought RA took % into consideration

but makes sense it takes number total instead

[uneven mason]

otherwise mastery would always trump every other stat

that being said

[lusty grotto]

well in that case he definitely needs haste food

[uneven mason]

TFW you use Lion's and it flipps RA to crit

🖕

[storm isle]

sounds awsome to just parry every attack

[lusty grotto]

lolll

[sand egret]

Mact went full on Ravager with that one

[uneven mason]

imagine if I had

would've not gotten hit for the fist 10s

[sick sentinel]

Doom's Fury that shit.,

fat parry.

[uneven mason]

Well, Lion's strengh

[sick sentinel]

why ravager? 🤷

[uneven mason]

or whatnot

[sick sentinel]

yeah. 😛

[uneven mason]

for meme level parry

[sick sentinel]

is good. especially if getting a 380+ one.

[uneven mason]

yeah I have a 370 socket w/ Leech

[sick sentinel]

mines 385 w/... leech I think. idr.

[sand egret]

ya'll and your trinket luck

I just want a trinket that allows me to rationalize not using my fucking Jes'

[uneven mason]

Doesn't exist

Jes best trinket

[sand egret]

well

im removing it from the pool

[uneven mason]

JES BES

[sand egret]

so sure

my premise is that I hate that trinket

so I will take the downgrade to not use it

[uneven mason]

Well

pooonu

I've seen 1 drop and it was when I was healing on my druid alt, and BDK got it

[sand egret]

just need to find a higher ilvl rezans

I just despise Vers with every fiber of my being

[uneven mason]

Because its boring?

[sand egret]

people rage about azerite traits

prot's state

yada

me? it's fucking Vers

[uneven mason]

I ❤ prots state

[sand egret]

i HATE that stat

[uneven mason]

Its like what was it, multistrike

[sand egret]

eh

multistrike was the tits

[uneven mason]

"Oh look, we heard you like crit, so we made a new crit for you to crit"

[sand egret]

a balancing nightmare

but at least it was interesting

[uneven mason]

it was literally crit

[sand egret]

not true

[uneven mason]

it was crit that could crit

[sand egret]

it was two instances of damage

which could trigger shit

[uneven mason]

but couldn't trigger proc effects

it couldn't

very specifically it couldn't

[sand egret]

well either fuckin way

[uneven mason]

which is why it was basically a ZZZzzz crit duplicate

[sand egret]

way more interesting than Vers

[uneven mason]

I'll give you that

[coral dew]

Have they shown any new azerite traits aside from the Avatar IP bubble?

[uneven mason]

at least Multistrike had an animation

[coral dew]

For prot*

[sand egret]

vers is just boring fucking power

[uneven mason]

I don't think we're getting more than that DImi

[coral dew]

Lol wut?

[sand egret]

I'm just glad Prot isn't a "STACK VERS" class

[uneven mason]

You mean like Guardian?

[sand egret]

ya...

[dapper sky]

Yeah but multistrike would help build resources if the spell was a builder Right?

[uneven mason]

No

it didn't generate rage

[coral dew]

Are you serious? They add an entire ring to the azerite armor and only give 1 new trait per spec???

[uneven mason]

k

[sand egret]

you missed the whole point

[dapper sky]

There was a reason it was super good for elemental

[sand egret]

of that ring

[uneven mason]

Dimi we don't need more RNG

we need less

its a multiple choice ring

[dapper sky]

Ohhh yeah. It gave you extra stacks for earth shock

[coral dew]

Maybe I'm confused then

[sand egret]

i'm fucking pretty sure my shadow priest was getting apparitions off of it

[uneven mason]

well for warriors

it didn't proc shit

and thats the only class that matters

[sand egret]

but still > vers

[uneven mason]

yeah

[sand egret]

FUCK YEAH 1% more damage baybeeeeeee

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[coral dew]

Wait so what's the point of the new azerite ring if it's just 1 new trait for the spec

[sand egret]

you get 6 traits instead of 3

so....more free power?

not sure what you're missing here

in 8.1 I can get 1 DC, 1 Avatar trait, 3x BFI, 2x Blood Sport

instead of 1 DC and 2x BFI

[coral dew]

Oh. So more ability to stack certain traits?

[sand egret]

the pain of azerite traits now is having a) limited options and b) those options don't feel impactful

this system gives us more options and you can stack them more, thus being able to feel their power

combine this with a better way to deterministically target what traits combos we want, we finally can get a better sense of "gearing" outside of (is the ilvl higher?)

hypothetically.

more puzzle pieces for a bigger puzzle

[uneven mason]

well

[coral dew]

Okay wow I didn't even realize that

[uneven mason]

come 8.1 we won't really care much if we ge a DC trait

[sand egret]

you'll still prob want it

[uneven mason]

anymore than BFI or IF

[sand egret]

but it won't be choppin off your arm for it

[uneven mason]

yeah it'll be more on par

[sand egret]

which is a good thing overall

[uneven mason]

you won't wear a 340 piece over the 385 helm offa mother to keep it

😡

[sand egret]

true but even then if they didn't nerf DC

[uneven mason]

yeah I'm ok with the DC trait nerf

[sand egret]

the new system at least allows you to farm specifically for that 385 version

[uneven mason]

yeah, or 415 version as it were

[sand egret]

yeah whatever the ilvl equiv of it is

that's a huge pain point that I'm glad to see go

[modern brook]

I'm also a fan of the dc nerf tbh

[uneven mason]

mhmm

although to farm a high ilvl version

its slower than getting essences for pity legos

[sand egret]

I'll be able to play around with trait "builds" instead of "well, this is what you got to work with..."

[uneven mason]

its like 2 months to get a max ilvl version

so don't get your eyes all shiney to grab a build

that being said if you can farm heroic dungeon azerite pieces

to DE into the currency

it might work out

[sand egret]

well good part about the system is as well is that the RNG tokens have at least a better chance per roll to have what you want

[uneven mason]

ehhhhhhh

[coral dew]

I wanna fuck around with shield slam spec with a BFI heavy azerite build >:)

[sand egret]

and if you NEED that piece

[uneven mason]

I guess

[sand egret]

you CAN farm for it

[coral dew]

When 8.1 hits

[uneven mason]

but I Don't think there will be a trait like DC for us

overall, I think just getting the ilvl will be good

[sand egret]

its more options and better way to access said options

[uneven mason]

since right now our weekly chest

I've gotten like 7 pairs of boots

and fuckall for Azerite

[modern brook]

@uneven mason I'm pretty sure they mentioned that azerite wont be grandfathered in

[uneven mason]

Not old stuff

but farming heroic dungeons after 81.

8.1*

[modern brook]

Oh sorry

[uneven mason]

Like

[modern brook]

I only ready like 50% of the things between this and my last post

[uneven mason]

at 378 I can about solo Heroic dungeons in 15minutes

SO

if we can farm them

[sand egret]

that'd be the world to me, tbh

that sense of progress, even so small

[coral dew]

You mean if you can farm azerite gear to turn into dust for the new currency?

[sand egret]

yeah

scrapping gear gives you the currency

[coral dew]

Yeah I hope that's a viable way to do it as well

[sand egret]

even if it isn't optimal, it's still there

[coral dew]

That kind if deterministic progress is something I'm yearning for bigtime

[sand egret]

yeah that's a huge theme of complaints about the current system

[coral dew]

At least they started they want to bring lore of that back

Hopefully in addition to the azerite vendor too maybe

[uneven mason]

Mind you

best case would just IDUNNO

let Azerite drop from M+

[topaz ember]

Are you crazy let it drop from m+?? then people would run mythic plus for gear drops what a crazy idea

[uneven mason]

Oh god

[topaz ember]

Why don'y we alot make boots stop dropping and make a bot dust vender

[uneven mason]

I Know right

Boot dust

GREAT IDEA

So does anyone else sacrifice one of the tanks on Mythic Mother?

[dusk locust]

sacrifice?

[uneven mason]

you stay in the 2nd room so another tank add doesn't spawn

[dusk locust]

it gets vaporized with all the rest of the mobs the way we do it

[uneven mason]

first time they had me back in there tanking, everyone crosses at 75 energy, leaves me by my lonesome in the 2nd room

Warriors can't self sustain..but I tanked her until the room hit 100

[dusk locust]

i dunno we just send the whole raid over and aoe everything

it's just 1 more add in the noise

[uneven mason]

yeah

that was my impression

but eh

I think they were just seeing how fast I'd die (expecting that I'd fallover the instant the healers left)

[dusk locust]

that's kind of a weird thing for them to decide to do

[uneven mason]

meh

my Raidleader is a BDK

go figure

rather A DK

who wants to be DPS

which is why I'm tanking again haha

can't complain

[dusk locust]

i have a raid full of non-meta classes we just roll with it

[uneven mason]

just was wondering if that was a common strat

[dusk locust]

i don't understand what you gain from it

we send all but 3 dps a tank and a healer to room 2 like 10 seconds in, then we wait until room 1 is about to die and send the rest. when healer cds are up again we send the whole raid to room 3

though at this point we have the dps to not do room 3 anymore i think

last night we did the usual strat and she died like 10 seconds after we entered room 3

[uneven mason]

Yeah we're no where close to that DPS (Which is a problem in itself)

[dusk locust]

i don't feel like our dps is all that substantially great i'm not sure what changed

[uneven mason]

folks learned the mechanics by rote

tend to parse better when you're comfortable with what is going to happen

can focus more on rotations rather than role

[dusk locust]

true

well we certainly don't have the dps on zul that most guilds do. back at progressing it tomorrow, have 2 rogues

[uneven mason]

so stupid they have a boss tuned so high you have to cheese it

Like that isn't creative design

that's just lazy

[dusk locust]

you don't really have to. it's just that all strategies are "bring 5 rogues, and then..."

so we have to come up with our own

[uneven mason]

Its like continually putting in mechanics that benefit massively from Gorefiends/Deathgrip

so much for bring the player

[dusk locust]

subtlety is just too game breaking i think something has to change there

other than that nothing really feels "required" so far

[median jolt]

Nah its just the design of the bosses

[uneven mason]

that is what I Just said 😛

Either make it a more freely available utility (like Heroism/Bloodlust was)

[median jolt]

There has been plenty of cases throughout the years but never as crazy as zul and ghuun

[uneven mason]

or don't put in mechanics that rely on it

[sand egret]

they already mentioned they’re going to add mechanics to High Tinker to put shields on the adds so they dont proc SC

[uneven mason]

Mythic Aggramar was all but impossible without 3tank/BDK

[dusk locust]

i would be super interested to hear how they intend you to solve aggramar w/o DKs

[sand egret]

so they’re definitely aware of the Sub prob

[uneven mason]

Simple Kauda - make the adds ungrippable, my god, you'd have to actually do mechanics

[median jolt]

Ye 1 dk was mamdatory for aggramar but thats more realistic than coughing up 4-5 warlocks/rogues

[uneven mason]

they'd have ot tune the boss down then

[dusk locust]

that's fine

[uneven mason]

which is the issue

they tune the boss stupidly high

and then be like "well just bring a DK"

[dusk locust]

and if the boss isn't tuned super high guilds walk through it in 10 pulls

it's a rough spot

[median jolt]

The issue with zul is the crawgs and the possibility to keep them up the whole fight

And for ghuun, well any type of gauntlet is so much easier with gateways

[sand egret]

oh tuning lol

do not envy that process

[coral dew]

I wonder how much more of each class azerite trait you could stack with the new ring. In theory it would be 6 right? Depending on how the traits are distributed in the new gear?

[signal plover]

69

+/- a couple

[sand egret]

it'd be 3 max

is my guess

[coral dew]

Can't you already stack 3 though?

For the most part

[outer dew]

Yes, but now you have the option to have 3 extra traits

Shouldn't even be stacking 3 atm

[terse oasis]

so during avatar, i noticed that i have 'spare' time between TC casts.. like more than a single gcd. is that cause my haste is to low or ?

[outer dew]

With DC only being one of

[terse oasis]

like.. about a half second or so of nothing

[sand egret]

unless they put 2 of the same trait on the same piece, you should be able to only get 3 stacks

[terse oasis]

They will not put the same trait twice on a piece of gear (per the signsofkelani video)

[outer dew]

And that's what happens your tc becomes ~2s

[sand egret]

then there ya go

[outer dew]

Hard to fit in a lot of abilities

[terse oasis]

So is that fixed with more haste, or am I just stuck dealing with 'dead' time?

i'm only 345ish

[uneven mason]

Uh

in theory, TC should be every other GCD

during avatar

[terse oasis]

i'm pressing it every other, but i'll hit TC > SB > wait about .5 sec TC

[uneven mason]

that's just client/server desync, sounds like you got a ping problem

[terse oasis]

it's juuuust long enough to make me somtimes hit something else and goof up my rotation. My ping is about 18-25 ms

[uneven mason]

just queue the ability up, it'll work

[sand egret]

6 second cooldown goes down to 3, so with haste if you brought that to 2, you'd have it up mid GCD

[uneven mason]

BLadesong - haste lowers GCD by an equivalent amount

[sand egret]

to a point

[uneven mason]

to 0.75s

so if his GCD is 0.75s (100% haste) his TC would be 1.5s during avatar (100% haste, twice as many etc...)

so its still, ever other GCD

its just simply client/server desync, it happens to everyone, that is why abilities queue

[terse oasis]

okay.. just checking. maybe it is just me getting impatient for the gcd to finish and pressing something else.. which screws me up

[sand egret]

just checking, you don't have any input buffering enabled right?

that shit can make your stuff feel sluggish

[terse oasis]

not that i'm aware of

i'll double check when i get home

[coral dew]

Is there a way to disable the spell queuing thing?

[sand egret]

but yeah, try just doing the A,B,A,B rotation and it should work out

[terse oasis]

but i'm sitting at 120-140 fps, which shouldn't be screwing with me

like no stutters or anything.. i'll try it again this evening in some more m+

still new, so it might just be a feeling thing

[sand egret]

it could be a desync issue like Mact mentioned

[terse oasis]

yeah

[sand egret]

which I've noticed happens sometimes when I group / get put on a particular instance or shard

[uneven mason]

I shouldn't call it desync

because that isn't really what it is, when you pres a button, it queues it and distributesd that to the server, who goes OK GOT IT, and then lets you know when the ability fires

which takes time, generally your ping, what you're experiencing with being able to press other abilities

[terse oasis]

yeah, TCP style.

[sand egret]

it's server priority

[uneven mason]

is the GCD not being ready

but your ability queue being ready

so if you press TC

but then press another button

it'll cancel the TC queue

and be like OH OK

and cast REvenge like a REEEEEEEEE

[terse oasis]

that makes more sense, but i wouldn't figure with a sub 30ms ping that would happen much.

[uneven mason]

because your ping is just the time it takes for a packet to hit the server and return

not how long it take the server to process your clients inputs

[plain ice]

i recently made a blood DK alt and tanked a few dungeons - is it me or is the playstyle really slow with low amounts of haste compared to prot?

[uneven mason]

BDK is snail pace

[plain ice]

like

[terse oasis]

BDK is booooring.

[plain ice]

i'm just chillin at some points

[uneven mason]

BDK has open GCDs

[plain ice]

jesus christ

how is this fun

[uneven mason]

because you can pull every trash mob in a M2 and kill them all solo

[terse oasis]

keep up bone shield.. bone storm off cd.. get +19s

[uneven mason]

at once

BDK is like a dinosaur of the days when tanks were gods

"Unchanged for Millennia"

[plain ice]

lol

i'm also not used to the lack of charge/leap

[uneven mason]

yeah that throws me on my other tanks

[plain ice]

running at packs feels weird

[uneven mason]

VDH and Monk I can get used too

but BDK feels like I'm wading through PB

[plain ice]

LOL

LEVKO MAH MAN, hit me with the knowledge bomb

[ember arrow]

what/

i wanted to make a witty comment

[plain ice]

i know

i'm ready

[ember arrow]

but then retracted

[terse oasis]

I tried VDH, couldn't get into it.. honestly a tank with out a shield feels wrong.

[plain ice]

c'mon

i want to hear it

[ember arrow]

something about mobility doesnt really matter

[terse oasis]

and i'm not a huge fan on pally tanking atm

[ember arrow]

as long as ur faster than what ur kiting

[plain ice]

and something about patch 9.0

[ember arrow]

yes

thats when i will resub

if the trend of horrible-really good- horrible

expansion continues

[terse oasis]

to be fair though, prot was stupidly broken at the start of legion

[ember arrow]

anyway, about bdk, its a class with low mobility and open gcds

you shoulda known

its not a big secret, so im not sure what you expected

[terse oasis]

when you could ignore the game with mastery

[ember arrow]

not an excue to make us bad afterwards 😉

[terse oasis]

true

they swung the bat a little hard

i'm hoping that, as usual, warriors scale with gear.

[ember arrow]

the "small, in significant 5% change" wil contribute to that alot

[coral dew]

I want

A big significant change

To my fuckin face

[whole coral]

fast question, i know it prolly has been asked before but does resounding protection trait stack?

[astral crystal]

play shadow priest if you want changes

[deft hinge]

@whole coral yep

[whole coral]

ty

[cobalt trellis]

talking about m+, is 1 deafening crash trait still "mandatory"

?

[plain ice]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

and it will be very good still after dec 11

still extends demo shout, still buffs your Tclap dmg

[cobalt trellis]

ok ty

[sand egret]

"ThrunnToday at 3:21 PM
We need an azurite called Tears of Ursoc. It does nothing but adds a visual tear while in bear form" - oh bear discord this had me fucking dying

lolol

[daring marlin]

wow lol

[frosty wedge]

rofl

[zinc mauve]

Poor guardian druid

[echo egret]

Servant Splitter, from Waycrest Manor, is it worth it ?

[zinc mauve]

No

The DPS boost is pathetic and you lose secondary stats on top of it

[echo egret]

it was a 10 ilevel upgrade finally over my 355 weapon 😦

[gray wolf]

tried it out for like 2 seconds once

200 damage each tick

it's not even worth considering if you drop secondary stats for it

shame really

[river oracle]

What proc rate though, does it apply to all struck by tclap/etc? Could make a difference in aoe

[crisp shell]

Do we have any haste cap?

[lusty grotto]

there is no haste cap no

[cinder pasture]

@river oracle During the short time I had that weapon I only saw it proc off of auto attacks, though I cant be 100% sure, only had it for a few days 😄

[gray wolf]

primarily only procs off autos

:

😦

atleast that's my experience

[prime pasture]

I've had it proc off heroic throw.

[gray wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime pasture]

It was a 45 ilvl upgrade and I've yet to get another 1h. x_x

[gray wolf]

oof'd

[carmine bison]

lol same, got it from a m+ 6 so long ago and have yet to get another weapon

[drowsy relic]

Im curious, does anyone know what traits travex uses for his M+?

[sand egret]

could just @ him

[drowsy relic]

whats his discord name?

[sand egret]

travex?

[drowsy relic]

@little rain

[sand egret]

😃

[drowsy relic]

lol

[merry cave]

I can't imagine it's any different to the normal build

Pick stormbolt or lower shockwave cd based on group comp

[little rain]

1/1/2/3/2/1/1 for pretty much everything but depending on your comp/strat/pulls/the dungeon I occasionally swap 2nd row freely and storm bolt once in a blue moon @drowsy relic

[uneven mason]

low keys, Crackling Thunder always

just keep running and hitting 👢 🍵 👏

[sand egret]

hey you people in guilds....I've got a question

do you need to be on the same server to join?

or server cluster?

[uneven mason]

Uh, I have no idea how combined realms work

every server I play on is single

[vocal nimbus]

@sand egret same server/server cluster

[sand egret]

balllllls

[fair void]

Can someone sum up for me if the 8.1 changes for Prot are going to, y'know, make tanking more enjoyable again?

[tardy oak]

guys hows prot atm? is it as bad as it was?

[stark sage]

@fair void mostly a huge QoL improvement, IP off the GCD being a big note

[fair void]

so... sorta?

[stark sage]

enjoyable yes, better a bit, easier to play probably

[tardy oak]

IP gets off the GCD?

[stark sage]

in 8.1

[fair void]

since my main problems with the spec were rage, iP being clunky to utilise effectively outside of Avatar/Demoshout rage dumps and struggling with stuff that doesn't trigger blocks.

[tardy oak]

IP gets maybe a boost too?

was kinda weak i recall

[stark sage]

i dont think ip is being tuned

and its not weak

[tardy oak]

it lasted too little i think

maybe i had this feeling because it was on GCD i dunno

but i think it lasted for 1-2 secs

[stark sage]

i mean in high damage situations, you have to spend a lot of GCDs keeping it up

which sucks

now its off the GCD

so you dont have to fill in so many GCDs

[tardy oak]

yes that might make it smoother

it wont stack right?

[stark sage]

it stacks 1.3 times

like it does currently

so you have to be careful not to overstack it

which will be easier to do accidentally with it being off the gcd

but that is just a skill thing

[tardy oak]

sounds right

DK/DH still best tanks for M+?

[stark sage]

DK will always be king at high keys

[signal rune]

I am yet to take my prot in high keys but I rate them the same as DH.

Probably.

[tardy oak]

i thought DHs are gods like DKs

[signal rune]

No that was Legion.

[sand egret]

DKs are on a diff level

[tardy oak]

hm

[stark sage]

DK > monk/DH/pally > warrior/druid

how i would rank

[signal rune]

Self-healing is a meme now and we have 10 seconds between AM.

You get deleted in fortified so hard it's not even funny.

[stark sage]

but its a lot closer than the community thinks

[sand egret]

well part of the kit is not having to stand there and get hit

[merry cave]

I definately don't get deleted in fortified at all

[tardy oak]

pally good really?

[signal rune]

I think 8.1 Protwar > VDH

In surv terms.

[merry cave]

Pally will be very strong again in 8.1

With hotp

[stark sage]

yeah we will see how 8.1 looks after tuning and double azerite

[sand egret]

but it's the utility that dictates highest keys imho

[tardy oak]

pally getting buffed?

omg

what nerfs paladins get again

second most represented tanking spec https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=2:maxMythicLevel=99

why getting buffed

[sand egret]

....because that's not how balance works

not gonna go down that road tho!

Prot'll be in a better place in 8.1

[tardy oak]

what buffs palas get?

[merry cave]

Hotp is going back to being based off targets hp

Which is massivr

And also hilarious in temple

[tardy oak]

hand of protection? its their heal?

what is HoTP?

haha

[sand egret]

i think you meant LotP

[merry cave]

Yeah unless I fucked the name

Maybe

[sand egret]

Light of the Protector

[merry cave]

Lol

[tardy oak]

light of the protector yeah

haha

❤

[merry cave]

Something light, hand, holy one of those lol

Ooo hand is the talent version 🤦

[fair void]

guess I'll get a shield and sword ready for 8.1 then..

[terse oasis]

i honestly think prot warrior is the best for 'farm' content

just from the damage output you can do

and you take very smooth damage for the most part

my problems with the class are all that i don't play it well (yet) and my haste is to low

which is more a me thing than a class thing

[sand egret]

(solid place to be in)

if you know what's comin it's easy. when you're progressing and ya don't having a reactive way to deal with stuff is waaay easier

[terse oasis]

the other sort of issue, is community perception of warrior tanks being 'garbage' since it is harder to play

[sand egret]

see: monks

well community will always label someone as shit, tbh

[terse oasis]

yup, but since DK/DH are the 'good tanks' everyone else is bad.

[sand egret]

always going to be someone at the bottom of those parse stacks

[terse oasis]

so getting into M+ pugs takes more effort

[sand egret]

yep but ah well, changing people's minds is always gonna be a hard problem to solve

[terse oasis]

just need to buff IP to do 99% damage reduction, last 3 hours, and cost 1 rage for one patch cycle and we'll back on top 😛

[sand egret]

jokes on you it only absorbs 1 damage

[terse oasis]

yeah.. but 99% of that 1 damage

[sand egret]

woah now

crazy talk here

[terse oasis]

heh

[sand egret]

but also #rounding

it'll prob STILL hit us for 1

[terse oasis]

aww.. they'd round up too, and we'd take the 1 damage

(and the other 50k or so)

[sand egret]

worth

[timber vault]

I just realised

i have a IO score of

80

[terse oasis]

... 800?

[timber vault]

🤔

No

Literally 80

[terse oasis]

1800? :p

[timber vault]

https://raider.io/characters/us/moon-guard/Kaeruk

[terse oasis]

i mean, depending when you run keys

[timber vault]

I've run... 3 keys

[terse oasis]

you get screwed out of IO score if your on a busy realm

oh well.. that tracks then

[timber vault]

5, 2, 5

[terse oasis]

run moar keys.

[timber vault]

I'l need to drag some of my friends and guildies in

[terse oasis]

i'm at like.. 820ish

[timber vault]

because LFG is racist against prot war

Also, coming back into prot warrior after a while. Revenge spending rage feels wrong. I miss it generating

[dusky mica]

this is correct

also clap should apply deep wounds again

it's actually incorrect as it is now

[lavish oracle]

How is Rezan's as a damage trinket? Pretty good?

[dusky mica]

yeah

[lavish oracle]

Better or worse than syringe of the same ilvl, do you think?

[dusky mica]

same ilvl youd still want to use rezans imo

simply because it has a bit more defensive benefit as well as the damage output

[lavish oracle]

Ah, okay, rad. Mine rolled a socket so I was leaning towards it unless it was way behind for some reason

[daring marlin]

prot feels fine even without a bunch of haste

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

i need whatever the hell you're smoking

[daring marlin]

Guess I’m just more invested in Warrior than you. D:

[sick sentinel]

but without cc>5sec and any other good utilities for the group or against the mobs the prot will never be a choice for higher m+. to change that blizzard has to change some skills. am i right?

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, its why Rogue, BDK, and Warlock were in just about every MDI group

Or at least most of them

[prisma crane]

@daring marlin doubt it lol, but that's a pointless debate. Prot without haste feels worse than it already does. Obviously it's subjective, but prot has been, for a long time, a very fast APM class, now, not so much and no haste only further exacerbates the situation

[lavish oracle]

It still feels like a pretty high APM class but I'm sitting on 20% base haste :smile:

[young harbor]

haste is life

[prisma crane]

it's drastically lower than it was in legion and WoD

[lavish oracle]

Fair, but we had heroic strike in WoD

[daring marlin]

My point being it’s still just fine without haste stacking.

[prisma crane]

and 8.1 can speed that up, but primarily only in aoe

[young harbor]

just like you are fine without dc, doesnt mean its ideal 😛

[prisma crane]

^

haste is our best secondary for a reason

and that doesnt include how it feels

[young harbor]

but you are correct, your character will not implode with low haste

[prisma crane]

that's just a plus to help alleviate how shit it feels when slow

[daring marlin]

Not sure you can compare not having DC to secondaries.

Considering ilvl=king

You don’t dump 45 ilvls for secondaries

[ashen trellis]

Uh. this is the only prot trait in this row

i dont want that

wtf

[queen owl]

uhhhhhhh, bug?

theres a gap where the prot bubble would be

[ashen trellis]

Oh shit. I didnt see that

[queen owl]

also, LoW + ToM? waow. get that on all your slots lol

INFINITE CS DEBUFF

(even though its nerfed anyways, zzz)

[prisma crane]

@daring marlin correct, you wouldnt, but that doesnt mean prot feels fine with no haste. Yes, you can function though with low haste.

[wheat bronze]

Is the bleed from Zul affected by armor? Typically no but some are special cases.

[sick sentinel]

i dont think so no afaik it was only for harjatan bleeding last time

[amber siren]

It's not affected by armour

[sand egret]

TFW you finish a smooth as hell run and your only thought is "shit, I coulda pulled bigger"

👌

[daring marlin]

lol yeah

This week is a good meme

[sand egret]

hardest part about the affix

[junior ivy]

is it a good week for m+?

i dunno what the affixes are

[sand egret]

it's the dream

tyrannical, raging, volcanic

[outer dew]

It's not specifically prot

It's everyone's dream

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i like these 2 affix weeks

[outer dew]

Although a water blast just smacked me for 90k

[sand egret]

it's like -4 to all keys

[oblique garnet]

Tyrannical + infested

[sand egret]

well, that'll do it

[oblique garnet]

Raging was laughable

[outer dew]

Raging spellcasters are not to be fucked with

[daring marlin]

lol

My arcane mage buddy whines about volcanic

[merry cave]

Don't they just run around like mongs spamming ae

[junior ivy]

everyone look at my dog in off topic

[cloud bone]

A+ doggo

[junior ivy]

ty

[sand egret]

yorkie?

[junior ivy]

yeah

[sand egret]

👍

love those lil buggers

[junior ivy]

😄

[sick sentinel]

Man it feels weird having b.net people

They keep asking me to tank keys

[outer dew]

smh, i'm the back up tank

[cinder nova]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MAN

MY GUILD WANTS ME TO LITERALLY JUST THUNDERCLAP DPS ZUL

ahahaha

I don't even have to do anything.

This is easily the best

[lucid kelp]

woo

I got a 395 Vector Deflector

[shut summit]

👏

[signal plover]

Man now my 385 from last night feels inadequate :(

[lusty grotto]

gz!

[astral crystal]

i fucking hate mythrax

with a passion

[spark mortar]

@hot locust what is recommended for Mythic Raid tanking these days? I had Haste but I have seen some folks using Vers. Is there a definite winner?

[hot locust]

Haste

@spark mortar

[prisma crane]

haste always

the debate is more often between vers and mastery, but if you have a choice, vers over mastery

[cinder nova]

ILVL

LS

[digital arrow]

having to taunt g'huun back right when the add spawns is so frustrating

cant mess up the leap reset combo

[sharp raptor]

Brewmaster + Prot Warrior for fetid, who should tank boss and who should tank thrash?

[digital arrow]

I off tank fetid without issue, just have to use one cool down per each thrash

[amber siren]

Ideally BRM should take the thrash

But both are capable

[sick sentinel]

Have u healer take thrash

What are they going to do, complain they cant heal when dead?

[onyx vessel]

My gm does to flex in heroic

And die cuz boss is enraged

Its like uhh btw you gonna di....

[digital arrow]

guys g'huun tank swap always has the worst timing possible

😦

[sharp raptor]

Brew discord says warrior should OT, Warrior says brew should OT... :S lol

(well you guys were split I guess)

[onyx vessel]

Simple

Roll it

Ez

[sharp raptor]

Right now he's MT and I'm OT and idgaf tbh I want him to stop dying

[onyx vessel]

Tell him to reroll a dps

Cuz monk ez mode

[amber siren]

I mean, staggers ideal situation is taking large hits with solid pauses to avoid spikes and smooth out the damage

Which is monks strength

So 🤷

[onyx vessel]

Could be a healer problem

[open bluff]

BrM is the better OT compared to warrior imo, they can just ISB before the thrash and then purify it

[sharp raptor]

Yeah we've thought it's a healer problem.... but healer says I'm less spikey even when I'm DH than him

He gets globalled

[onyx vessel]

Well shit

[sharp raptor]

I don't even know if he fucks up or not cause I don't know how to look at death note properly

[manic perch]

do you have logs?

[sharp raptor]

I did a dungeon with him healing and he'd be half health full rage and no IP

[onyx vessel]

Dh is more paper then anything

[sharp raptor]

(sorry, dungeon with him, me healing, that reads weird)

I know DH is so scary

[onyx vessel]

You saying hes the prot warrior i was thinking you were

[sharp raptor]

no he is

I'm a monk

[onyx vessel]

Well shit

Hes like me

Plays like shit

Likes big dick tank deeps

[sharp raptor]

He might play good I have no idea, it could be that healers are spoiled healing a brewmaster

[onyx vessel]

Nah as a prot warrior you have to play good to do well so if he isnt good at using abilitys correctly you have no healing he will just die

Regradless of content

Shit i get chunked in m0 at 370

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret that's exactly how it felt today after some dungeons

[sharp raptor]

oh well then you're not good lol

[onyx vessel]

Playing like a idiot not giving a fuck and my healer is shit

[sick sentinel]

So I crafted some lightfoot potions

[onyx vessel]

Considering unlike brm we have to play around a downtime on active mitagation

[stone crag]

warrior is definitely better as OT on fetid

🤔

[sick sentinel]

Whether if he is OT, or MT, if he's bad, does it really matter?

[marsh beacon]

Pretty sure shield block mitigates a very significant amount of thrashes damage. I feel much safer taking thrashes on my warrior than I do on my monk.

[sick sentinel]

Basically, of all the things fetid brings to the fight, tanking should not really be a problem (esp before he drops below 50%)

[stone crag]

my comment was mostly referring to this, which i have yet to see anyone say MT is significantly better

Silvyrn

Brew discord says warrior should OT, Warrior says brew should OT... :S lol
(well you guys were split I guess)

in #protection · Nov 8, 2018, 5:53 AM

[sick sentinel]

I would argue for the warrior to MT, because you can parry those whereas you can only block/crit block the thrashes, when the monk is not really affected

As a warrior though, I would like to take the thrashes instead of MTing

[amber siren]

Monk is for sure the better OT

it's the exact same mechanic we saw in antorus w/ argus

a timed, heavy hitting ability

that stagger allows healers to react to easier instead of a huge damage spike

[ivory barn]

OT = Off Tank??

[vivid sage]

i always MT fetid

[tulip pond]

Monk gains a lot of value from their mastery when MTing tho

[steel mauve]

from what ive seen monks are much better at tanking single big hits instead of constant damage, where as warrior can do both equally well

[edgy raptor]

While we're on the topic of Fetid AM or HR? I find AM way better

[cloud hound]

Why at our stat prio it is versa>mastery?

[stone crag]

HR doesn't have a place in uldir

[edgy raptor]

Agreed I tried it out as OT on Fetid but relies too much on shield slam procs

[sharp raptor]

I used HR in legion when shield block wasn't on such an oppresively long CD and devastator was not as trash tier

But I'm shit

[outer dew]

@cloud hound there's not really a stat prio

Ilvl then preference

[drowsy relic]

For m+ should I drop my 370 shoulders for a 340 with the deafening crash trait I I don’t have one yet?

[neon tangle]

You should prolly drop to 340 for raids too

[amber siren]

Unfortunately currently DC is worth the ilvl drop simply because of how long the extension for DS is

That'll be fixed in a month

[drowsy relic]

Hmm how else can I get that trait? Just warfrint?

[neon tangle]

Emissary quests

[amber siren]

There's PVP options, some emissary drops/WQ, dungeon stuff as well

[neon tangle]

Weekly chest

[sharp raptor]

Get lucky in weekly chest like I did 😄

In terms of azerite, besides DC, what are the other good ones? Is the ip/leech one good or not really?

[tulip pond]

Brace for Impact and Iron fortress pretty much

And then of course Archieve/Laser matrix to enable array

[sick sentinel]

Remove laser matrix

Shits the worst, and I hate it so much

[tulip pond]

Yea archieve is better than matrix for sure, but enabling array is what matters right?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but I'd rather be dead then use laser

[drowsy relic]

How does the pvp option drop the azerite pieces? Weekly again or is it after a match?

[sick sentinel]

For higher ilvl, weekly

[drowsy relic]

aight tyty

[sick sentinel]

Ur best option not waiting for a cache is to do crybaby admirality/the mighty zandalari empire for the chest piece or talanji's expedition/wannabe lovecraft wake for the shoulders

But it has to offer azerite cache, and hopefully u can get it to be 370

[drowsy relic]

also what is the general opinion on Xalzaix's Veiled Eye?

cant find anything on the trinket guide

Ive seen some blood dks run it, but I dont see warriors using it, is there a reason?

[outer dew]

People either hate it or love it

In an ideal world, not useful

But I think for m+ it's a solid trinket that'll save yo ass plenty of times

Sometimes you can't properly kite, people kick at same time, etc

Helps ya survive those 160k deep smashed when shit enrages

[sick sentinel]

In M+, it's the main trinket u will equip and always keep on

Even if u never active it(which u will) it reduces all types of damage by 50%

In a raiding scene, it will lose value

Unless ur progressing, in which case use it for the bosses u don't have downed or personally struggle with

Also let ur healers know u are using the trinket

A lot of healers freak out when they see u below 50% even with the shield up and showing up on the interface and will below CDs to keep u alive

[winged sage]

@shut summit How you looking at the changes on the PTR so far? 😃

[trim talon]

tanked HC ghuun, am i above average now?

[winged sage]

only if you solo run an orb aswell

[trim talon]

ofc

1st orb

[strong forum]

Idk if hc counts as above average

Legit don't know

[amber siren]

most people don't do heroic so yeah i guess

[odd ridge]

One could say he's ahead of the curve

[gray wolf]

joined a +10 temple

3 people instantly leave

sad times

[ionic fern]

Good thing you're a tank and it takes you 3 times less time to find a new grp.

[gray wolf]

https://giphy.com/gifs/awkward-pulp-fiction-john-travolta-6uGhT1O4sxpi8

[thick pond]

What race, progression wise, is the best currently? Thinking about going goblin because of the jump and 1% haste

[onyx vessel]

Tauren so you can get stuck in doorways with avatar up

Use the glyph that makes you bigger when you victory rush get stuck in low ceilings

[wide gate]

is prot warrior still a think in bfa ?

[dull ibex]

for M+ i prefer troll

[wide gate]

raiding experience

[dull ibex]

overall great combined w/ avatar

[onyx vessel]

Yes

[dull ibex]

plus if you spec-swap often its just overall the best

[coarse ginkgo]

Prot warrior on track to be a top tank in 8.1?

[onyx vessel]

Very unforgiving spec not for the plebs

[dull ibex]

not even close @coarse ginkgo lol

[coarse ginkgo]

Fack

[wide gate]

not even close yeah

[dull ibex]

we'll be good in good hands

[gray wolf]

eh it's a step in right direction if anything

[onyx vessel]

Funny enough they will prob be the better tank for raiding

[dull ibex]

but its hard enough to push content since we have no passive mitigation + we cant heal

:^)

[onyx vessel]

M+ no

[gray wolf]

are you in like

low m+ or smthing?

m+ is fun enough as prot

[onyx vessel]

Relying on healing i raids

Lul

[wide gate]

they said prot warrior is the memes of tanks

[dull ibex]

'fun'

[gray wolf]

yes fun

[dull ibex]

its fun to die to 3 spells i cant even reflect

[gray wolf]

then don't

interrupt

fear

stun

do smthing

ask for interrupts

[coarse ginkgo]

Can i ask for lego bracers back?

[dull ibex]

so how do i time higher keys if i pull less with the limited amount of cc and actual add management in M+?

there is a wall before other classes have to carry our downfalls

[wide gate]

lego bracers are the best

[coarse ginkgo]

Gimmie

[wide gate]

gives prot warrior such a surviability

just stack rage use IP and you gain heal

love that

[dull ibex]

if bloodsport was good we would be good

😦

[coarse ginkgo]

So right now we are getting 5% more stam and armour with IP off the GCD. Anything else?

[dull ibex]

shieldblock can block ranged now

[gray wolf]

charge off gcd

2 seconds off the shieldblock

[dull ibex]

stuff like shoot

[gray wolf]

cd

you can finally block rocks

being thrown at you

[coarse ginkgo]

Hmm

[dull ibex]

or wrenches

:^))))

[winged sage]

How will we look at traits in 8.1, any thoughts on it? With the nerf on Defeaning crash/clash 😃

[coral dew]

Our set of buffs are actually nothing to scoff at imo...

Set*

[gray wolf]

ur still gonna be using DC

the new avatar trait tho

spicy

[coarse ginkgo]

I think IP off GCD is a pretty big deal.

[dull ibex]

@winged sage DC is still great bc it also increases your dmg and lengthens your survilability by alot

[winged sage]

Fair enough, i'm just thinking it won't stack up to indefinetly. Guess time will tell, @gray wolf what trait is that, must have missed it 😃

[dull ibex]

popping av gives you IP

[gray wolf]

@winged sage

[winged sage]

Oh

[gray wolf]

yup

[winged sage]

That's nice

[dull ibex]

basically makes AV a devensive opener too

[winged sage]

Id love a trait like guardians getting, where their proc gives a mastery buff and an increase chance to procc again 😄

[dull ibex]

so places like waycrest you dont need to spend xtra rage on IP when the guards slap you around

i just want bloodsport to be good so we can actually help mitigate magic dmg

plus alot of leech would be litty

[gray wolf]

4k more on ip is good?

[onyx vessel]

if you getting fucked by spells dont pug run with friends/guildies make a interupt rotation yell at them if they miss it

[gray wolf]

if you only run pugs as a prot ur not gonna get far

[onyx vessel]

ppl think of prot as in trash tier

[gray wolf]

it's good enough to get the job done

[onyx vessel]

cuz they get pugs/friends/guildies 1st time playing

and just faceroll

this isnt prot pally or guardian

prot warrior isnt dog shit at all just to many ppl are dog shit at playing it properly

[dull ibex]

in higher and higher keys it suffers alot tho if its a mixed damage pull

biggest example is the poison adds in 3rd boss of siege

5 stacks eats through IP

[gray wolf]

stun them before they apply the poison

[dull ibex]

hard to do it when both intim and shockwave are down

[gray wolf]

make sure you have ppl to stun them with you then

[onyx vessel]

higher keys comp matters

to help the tank or affixes

[oblique garnet]

iirc you can sr the poison

[gray wolf]

can you?

[oblique garnet]

or was the ones on atal

[gray wolf]

think that's atal

[oblique garnet]

Did a +11 temple last night and missed the timer by 20 seconds because our dk just decided to stand in the lightnings on last boss and die 3 times

[onyx vessel]

F

[gray wolf]

i almost 2 chested an tol'dagor 13 the other day

but chocked on % like the fool i was

😦

[oblique garnet]

Like the only actual mechanic that can kill dps on that boss and he just stood there

everytime

[limpid leaf]

Ugh Ghuun to 9% twice..

H Ghuun

I taunted an add instead of ghuun bya ccident and killed the co-tank lol hahaha

Doh!

[gray wolf]

ouch

[onyx vessel]

didnt heroic leap F

[ionic fern]

@dull ibex good thing you don't have to facetank the adds in SoB that stack poison before 3rd boss.

Lemme PAINT a picture for you..

Red = where you jump over the fence & back...Yellow = path melee mobs take..hence they won't hit you a single time.

#Pathing

[dull ibex]

ooo spicy

thanks for telling me that

[ionic fern]

You're welcome.

[dull ibex]

yeah those poison adds on SoB fuck my ass

[gray wolf]

when you get picked over a bdk

[ionic fern]

What key lvls does that actually become a thing?

Warrior is my alt so i'm not sure.

[gray wolf]

uhh a 11 boralus apparently

[ionic fern]

No problems getting into grps on my pally luckily. 😂

[gray wolf]

🤣

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i'm not doing that high on my warrior - still only at 346 with it so i'm doing like max +7-8

[gray wolf]

arh fair enough

i'm like 379

just chilling atm

[mental scarab]

Just save the ”artiliry” Guy and kill the trash with it 👌🏻🕺🏼

[ionic fern]

Never again

Bugged out like 5 times

[mental scarab]

Hu🙅🏻‍♂️

[wintry ermine]

posted logs on tuesday wondering if I did something wrong on fetid mythic, couldn't keep up mitigation for long enough. Got a ring in the m+ cache which balanced my stats so that I got haste reorigination array when I proc rezan/weapon and everything was a lot smoother!

and we killed fetid yesterday 😄

[primal crypt]

KKona

[frosty wedge]

yeah I always use the spotter to nuke the adds before that 2nd last boss

[terse oasis]

yeah, the spotter nuking the ads is the way to go

as long as your dps isn't dumb, it makes that pull trivial

[merry cave]

Spotter on bolster week is great fun

Just a shame you cant damage bosses lol

[mental scarab]

Last boss tentacles🕺🏼

They take the dmg

[uneven mason]

Finally got MZek last night

we finally managed to "safety dance" the overlaps at the 4:15 mark

it seems the entire fight comes down to that single overlap

[dusk locust]

which overlap is that

[uneven mason]

adds, surging, combo, beams (in the middle of combo and surging)

fucking all the things

at once

[dusk locust]

is that the second set of adds?

[uneven mason]

3rd

our DPS Is garbo

[dusk locust]

oh we've always pushed before 3rd

[uneven mason]

which is its own issue

nothing on me tho

I Just get hit

[dusk locust]

for what it's worth i rally during hard overlaps like that

lol

[uneven mason]

yeah

I have rally going out every surging basically (3 warriors)

[dusk locust]

that'd help

that does sound like a nutty overlap tho sheesh

[uneven mason]

but when you have folks who have to dodge center on surging

and beams comes out while your moving

and the bosses face is a death zone

while they're snared

because of bugs

[frosty wedge]

lol

I had a fun bug on an alt on tuesday

no lasers on mother

like, at all

[dusk locust]

we still wipe to zek here and there. things can go south so easily

[uneven mason]

by bugs I mean the soldier ants

yeah

the primary issue is

its a long fight

and a lot of personal responsibility

[daring marlin]

Must be nice having people log on for raid. 😃

[uneven mason]

lol

we got like a crew of 25

although the backups are getting ants

antsy

[daring marlin]

Yeah, we need more for a roster like that. lol

[uneven mason]

but then agian

they're like

"I want to be in the main crew"

and we're like "go run M+ while we're in here"

[daring marlin]

I just picked up a vial. I wanna do all the damages on the adds on zek.

[dusk locust]

we have a roster of 25 and some nights i'm worried too many will be out

lol

[uneven mason]

since some of them are still only 366ish

[daring marlin]

y i k e s

[uneven mason]

yeah we're recruiting thats for sure

[frosty wedge]

so stooooked - just found out my office is closed dec 21st-Jan 2nd

[uneven mason]

nice

[frosty wedge]

that free extra week of vacay 😄

[sand egret]

siiick

[daring marlin]

being a fireboi is sick

[sand egret]

it's the best

[wild bolt]

Dude that's awesome! @frosty wedge

That's about how long the school I teach at is out. In fact I think those are the exact same dates...

[daring marlin]

ayyyyy

[frosty wedge]

so stoked 😄 . I work for a software startup, so I was NOT expecting that much time off around the holidays, lol

[crisp hearth]

If you calculate it right

You only win 5 days of work

25 being not worked

1st as well

[plain gyro]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#boss=2145&difficulty=4

Prot warr got passed just now on zul what bullshit

[uneven mason]

lol

👢 🍵 👏

[sand egret]

No King reigns forever.

but of course it'd be our gangsta Korean dude at the #2 haha

[uneven mason]

that the same guy who no healerd a +12?

[daring marlin]

no healed a 13 waycrest

yeah

he does high keys all the time

17 underrot and shit

[sand egret]

yeah same guy

[wintry ermine]

sure he no healed it? is there a video?

[plain gyro]

M+ must be easy this xpac

[wintry ermine]

if your just looking at raider.io you can start a run in whatever spec and walk out and change specs

[plain gyro]

https://www.twitch.tv/nikkibreanne this chick +2 a 15 yesterday and didn't start till legion and could barley do a +10 in legion

[sick sentinel]

@wintry ermine there is a video posted here like 4 times so yeah

[wintry ermine]

cool!

[sick sentinel]

Did it during explosive

And he just healed through victory rush

And azerite veins

And imprassive visage

I wanna actually try it next explosive week

[uneven mason]

^^

AV and IV are insane levels of healing

combined with VR

prot 10k HPS class

[sand egret]

He also had offhealing via his shadowpriest. However, his damage intake and his output was where it was at

[rose moat]

figured would ask here, but using a Jes Howler(340) and the Blockades deck, but I got a Syringe of Bloodborne Infirmity(370) last week. Would it be beneficial to swap it out for either of my tank trinkets or just leave it to my DPS spec?

[sand egret]

gotta ask yourself the obvious question: how's your survivability?

[uneven mason]

you can replace Jes with the syringe