protection

[tight tree]

anti grip

[gray wolf]

yeet the mobs away

i don't want these mobs

you can have them

[ember arrow]

wake me up when people come up with something that isnt grip or something similar

[tight tree]

i like prot buffs but class will still feel underwhelming. i guess i want more thorough rework and more utility abilities

[gray wolf]

🤔

[tight tree]

so i will not feel crippled compared to monks dhs and dks

and yeah baseline and not via stupid traits or artifacts

[upbeat folio]

Has anyone else been getting targetted by the 4th boss of Tol Dagor for deadeye?

[raven kernel]

Kul tiran racial

[dense lichen]

is the demoralizing shout nerf isn t planned anymore? ( ptr...)

[upbeat folio]

what leads you to say that?

[dense lichen]

just asking if it's still on, or not 😃

[strange pike]

Tfw when you get a shoulder upgrade inside the weekly chest thats 15ilvls up, but you have to sacrifice DC for it

[amber siren]

only for a month longer

[raven kernel]

🤔

so of top 102 tanks on server

only 2 warriors

XD

few meta breakers on my realm 😮

[hollow silo]

Hey guys just a question, can i change the color of my warrior mount? Like for example keep always black no matter the spec

[autumn pendant]

Nope

Its one mount that will change colour based on specc

[hollow silo]

Damn it, thanks

[autumn pendant]

So you would have to stay prot forever

Or dunno what specc is black

[hollow silo]

Prot is purple that's why i hate it

[autumn pendant]

I guess fury

Cause arms is red

[hollow silo]

Oh well

[echo egret]

I thought devs wanted to improve communication, yet I haven't seen any single official post about prot warrior changes, 1 month before release...

[primal crypt]

It's in the pins @echo egret

We already got our changes posted

[stone crag]

referring to blue posts

[urban walrus]

Do you want PTR updates from blizzard? Is wowhead/mmo not enough?

[echo egret]

Some classes have had blue posts about changes and their philosophy

We just have "figure it out yourselves, it's on the PTR"

[primal crypt]

Oh, you're asking for too much

They're busy with their new project diablo immortal right now

Can't be so selfish

[echo egret]

And to be honest, our changes may be enough numerically, may be enough to make the spec fun to play again, but our utility in M+ is still abysmal compared to DH/DK/Monks

So I would have enjoyed something like "guys, it isn't finished yet"

[primal crypt]

Expecting too much from a small indie company

[urban walrus]

Nothing is finalised in regards to possible utility changes so it would be a waste of time," warriors are not as good as other tank specs so we buffed them numerically and nerfed their op trait"

What else do you expect

Fair enough you can ask for some info IF they are going to give us utility but otherwise a useless comment

[astral crystal]

it's a historical certainty that blizzard does not care about rage people with shields

warrior seems to receive a lot of bare minimum treatment

always go into PTR changes expecting the least amount of effort possible for your class and you'll never be disappointed :^)

[amber siren]

i mean

ur not wrong

[keen yacht]

what are you doing here

go arms

[astral crystal]

imagine having a 2 hander in 2018 lmao

[sick sentinel]

🤔

Feels bad having intentions to be the bomb ass prot that does mythic+ for your guild. End up being 'auxillary' DPS Arms for their raids roster instead, while also top melee DPS.

not the tank dream I sought.

[amber siren]

Reroll healer, never worry about slots again

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel 8.1 we have a chance

At least that's the idea that GMs seem to have

App to guild, tell them I'm prot, they hit me with "oof, reapply in 8.1"

I'm like...🤔

Everyone thinks IP got a huge buff

Jokes on them! Ahahahahaha

[sick sentinel]

I don't personally intend to do progressive raiding as a tank, just no time for it. But I do love and still rather tank.

More engaging than DPSing.

and yeah. its not a huge buff lol its QOL.

the hyuge buff tbh is blocking ranged attacks. And the unneeded -2s recharge CD buff to shield block.

literally, 380+ geared haste prots will be able to block forever....

[primal crypt]

Sure wish I had more haste

And you're right

Stupid throw rock

Hate it so much

[floral tinsel]

@raven kernel Think my server have even more metabreakers.. there are apperently 7 of us in the top 140. 5% Boys 😄

[restive mauve]

So devastators chance to reset isn't the flat % it says on the tooltip, but is actually normalized around attack speed?

[uneven mason]

its 20% at 2.6 swing speed

rather

with a 2.6 speed weapon

if you equip a dagger

it'll go down

but it scales wit haste

if that is what you're asking

so its 20% per swing, even if you have 40% haste

[ember arrow]

So it is flat then

[uneven mason]

right

[restive mauve]

No

[uneven mason]

But some folks have been like "LOL Dagger"

so I was just cutting that off at the pass

[restive mauve]

If it was flat it wouldnt scale with wep speed

[ember arrow]

Its per swing

[uneven mason]

*faceplam

its per swing

[ember arrow]

A chance

[lusty grotto]

It DOESNT scale with wep speed

[uneven mason]

its not a PPM

its 20% per swing

so if you have haste

you'll get more per minute

so haste = more procs because more swings

BUT

at this point there won't be a situation I don't think (even IP off GCD) where devastator will compete with BV for RPS

it'd have to have a considerable bump

like say, 25%

[vagrant cape]

I'm so fucking salty. The one week I only do a +9 instead of a +10 I get fucking DC shoulders from the cache

[ember arrow]

Its ok

[lusty grotto]

welp

[uneven mason]

👏

[ember arrow]

Itll get nerfed anyway

[vagrant cape]

now I only get a 10 ilvl upgrade instead of a 25 PepeHands

[uneven mason]

DC is going to be ~ on par with the other traits come 8.1

so don't fret

[lusty grotto]

1 month to go

boys

[ember arrow]

Till sub expires

[uneven mason]

so doing mythic prog lastnight

I'm tanking like a boss

[lusty grotto]

i've been paying my sub with gold

[uneven mason]

get asked to go DPS because of Utility (BDK grip on Zek)

[lusty grotto]

100k for tokens is dirt cheap

[vagrant cape]

Implying I have other shoulders at 385 that I don't use for arms/fury :PepeHands:

[ember arrow]

I havent logged in like

2 months

[uneven mason]

get told Fury is bad

Beat the arms warriors 🤔

[lusty grotto]

fury /vomit

[uneven mason]

haven't DPS'd in months

[lusty grotto]

arms4lyf

[ember arrow]

Thats not proof fury is better @uneven mason

Anecdotes

[uneven mason]

I didn't say fury was better

I just wasn't setup for arms 😄

[ember arrow]

No but implied

[lusty grotto]

😉

just a reminder that the player beats the spec

[uneven mason]

They're prett close (I sim pretty much equal in frantic cleave)

[ember arrow]

Ehhh

Not really nimchip

[lusty grotto]

which is why ive seen some amazing ferals and shadowpriests

when it comes to dps yes

[uneven mason]

but that's mostly because I have shit traits for Arms

and good traits fof fury

[ember arrow]

Equally skilled player on feral or on rogue

[frosty wedge]

best player on a shadow priest is still going to be garbage right now

[uneven mason]

The answer Levko is Boomkin

[ember arrow]

U tell me they will perform same?

[lusty grotto]

because when an SP outdpses a fucking assass rogue, you know the player is better

[ember arrow]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

or when a feral outdpses them

[ember arrow]

But u compare equal skill

Not garbage

[lusty grotto]

i'm not saying equal skill lol

i said the player beats the spec

[ember arrow]

Correct

[lusty grotto]

that's implied the player is better

[ember arrow]

Without saying on equal skill

[worthy dagger]

can we start talking about how our lovely prots are crapy

[ember arrow]

So it read as if u meant in general

[frosty wedge]

right, but he's saying put that same player on a better spec

and they'll do better

[lusty grotto]

sure

[ember arrow]

I outdpsed dds as tank. Doesnt make tanks betrer at dpsing

[lusty grotto]

?

🤔

not sure what that has to do with what i said

either way i dislike stacking fotms

i'd rather trust the player

i don't care if i'm nerfed by spec

[frosty wedge]

and that's totally fair if you're not doing bleeding edge content

[uneven mason]

Levko my comment wasn't really a critique of warrior specs, more of I'm crushing their communal perceptions

[lusty grotto]

of course i'm not

and neither is anyone here

[ember arrow]

I had garbage like this in groups. Had to dig to find cap

[frosty wedge]

lots of people here are doing bleeding edge content

[lusty grotto]

Hall of Fame is full

nothing is bleeding edge anymore

mythics are cross realm now

[astral crystal]

you still get cutting edge

until the release of 8.1.5

just not hall of fame

[lusty grotto]

bleeding edge should be about the top 10 guilds in the world

anything below that is just people watching their videos and repeating their strats

[uneven mason]

Bleeding edge is wearing a diaper and raiding 16 hours a day for the opening week

[lusty grotto]

let's not kid ourselves

just because an achievement is called "cutting edge" doesn't mean it's the top of the top

[vagrant cape]

would y'all use a 365 jes' or a 370 vial of animated blood (boost of str, decays over 20seconds, 1.5min CD)?

[uneven mason]

I did "Bleeding Edge" type raiding in Everquest, I'd die if I did that now (and had to work)

365 jes

[lusty grotto]

i did too

plus in vanilla

[astral crystal]

the achievement says right there quite literally that it means you finished the raid before the release of the next tier so

[lusty grotto]

and partially BC

ok Atticusw

whatever helps you sleep at night 😉

[ember arrow]

Cutting edge is doing ce content. If @lusty grotto you think thats not representative is irrelevant

[lusty grotto]

and your point is?

[ember arrow]

That the achieve defines what ce is. Not you

[lusty grotto]

that's downright sad

because a handful of guilds compete for server firsts

and then everyone else after them consider themselves on the same tier

when obviously they are not

all because of wording on an achievement LOL

[ember arrow]

Well theres no reward being 1st on realm

[lusty grotto]

i meant world firsts

but i guess server firsts work for drawing a line

[ember arrow]

If i kill m boss before next tier. I did same content as method

[lusty grotto]

right with their strats

[ember arrow]

So?

[lusty grotto]

so you didn't do the work

you copied their lineup, their strat

how is that "bleeding edge"?

[storm isle]

might also have a lot better gear depending on what week you kill it

[lusty grotto]

right

[ember arrow]

I got my driverslicense but since im not world first i cant drive

[lusty grotto]

drawing at straws

that's a really bad analogy

[dusk locust]

cutting edge is still pretty impressive

i think it deserves the name

[ember arrow]

Ilvl means nothinganyway. With tittyforging

[lusty grotto]

it deserves the achievement

i'm not against that

i just said "nobody here is doing bleeding edge content"

which is true

[ember arrow]

Noone disputed that

[lusty grotto]

ok then

[dusk locust]

what would you call it

[ember arrow]

I said CE

[storm isle]

ofc ilvl will have something to say, you will have more stats and therefore do more dmg or you can take more dmg

so one fuck up might not kill you

[dusk locust]

only a small portion of guilds/players actually get it

[lusty grotto]

yeah ilvl has a lot to do, as well as Reorigination stacks

[frosty wedge]

but... Sense was teh first warrior tank to finish 8/8 mythic

I'd call that bleeding edge?

[ember arrow]

@storm isle how come bdk did a +10 with m antorus gear then at launch

[lusty grotto]

i'd say it fits, because he did it on a class that wasn't represented @frosty wedge

[storm isle]

did he really do a +10 mith mythic antorus gear?

[ember arrow]

Yes ask him

[storm isle]

i doubt it, or if he did it just shows the class migth be broken

[ember arrow]

Dint take my word for it

[dusk locust]

a lot of us did it just not in time

w/ the broken keys

[lusty grotto]

☝

[ember arrow]

On prot?

[dusk locust]

i did it with 30 mins overtime

yeah

first week

[ember arrow]

M antorus?

Not like ilvl 300

[dusk locust]

my war was heroic only actually

i was a rogue in legion

[ember arrow]

Well just shows

Ilvl is meaningless

[frosty wedge]

oh yeah, so many of you guys didn't have to push keys to get to 10

[ember arrow]

As i said

[dusk locust]

yeah i didn't have to push

otherwise i'd never have gotten it

[frosty wedge]

lol

I pushed on my warr first week - that was painful as hell

[dusk locust]

woulda been pretty rough for sure

i had a 25 key when bfa started

[frosty wedge]

lol

[dusk locust]

dropped it for a few hours then we did the 10 freehold

[frosty wedge]

ooh and it was FH, that's a nice key, lol

[dusk locust]

yeah

not that i knew at the time 😛

[frosty wedge]

haha true

[ember arrow]

I got a 26 kr

Day 1

[frosty wedge]

gross

burn it

[ember arrow]

Not epic

[frosty wedge]

but you were playing BDK right?

[ember arrow]

I burned bfa instead

👌

[frosty wedge]

lol

[ember arrow]

Ye i was

[frosty wedge]

yeah, I mean, I tanked a 10 on my BDK like 2 days after hitting 120, they're kinda broken atm

[ember arrow]

More like

Other tanks are shit

For m plus

[frosty wedge]

fair - I mean, BDK is basically designed to destroy m+

[ember arrow]

Yea

Id rather see others made competitive

Instead odlf nerfs

Of

[frosty wedge]

I'm probably going to just raid on my BrM and M+ on my DK for a while until they bring other tanks in line

[ember arrow]

Assuming they will

😂

[frosty wedge]

ha, true.

[ember arrow]

I wait for 9.0

Maybe then we get a good expansion

[frosty wedge]

like windows - one good, one shit, one good, one shit?

[ember arrow]

Until then playing other stuff

Exactly

Bfa exists before legion in another timeline

Then it all makes sense

[lusty grotto]

nah it fits

WoD then Legion then BFA

:p

so one shit, one good, one shit

[ember arrow]

I mean like

Legion did everything better

So if bfa came before

Etc

[lusty grotto]

yeah legion had its problems but it was a good exp

yeah but then it would have been one shit one shit one good :p

[ember arrow]

Grinding isnt bad if classes play well

If gameplay is bad idc for anything else

[lusty grotto]

i didn't mind the grind in legion

[ember arrow]

It breaks the game

[lusty grotto]

the leggo thing was kinda meh though

but that's about it

[ember arrow]

Leggos actually gave noticeable changes

Yes i know dc exists

Now for the other 3334 traits

[lusty grotto]

i'm talking about the fact that you needed specific leggos for your spec to perform competitively

[ember arrow]

You didnt

[lusty grotto]

which didn't affect tanks that much

[ember arrow]

Only the bleedi g edge

U mentioned

[lusty grotto]

perhaps so

[ember arrow]

Dps needed prydaz to m+

Thats it

[lusty grotto]

prydaz was shit at the start of legion though

[ember arrow]

Slow ring on lock too i guess

Dungeons like coen or votw u dodnt need prydaz per se

U took classes with defensives

@timid jay 😢

[lusty grotto]

rip cosmo

[ember arrow]

Bfa already made many victims

[lusty grotto]

and thyme :p

😭

[ember arrow]

Remember cosmo and thyme racing to answer questions

[lusty grotto]

lol

i remember when Kelade got banned

but he wasn't prot

[ember arrow]

Who

[lusty grotto]

fury/arms warrior that was Stormforged

[ember arrow]

Hes literally here

Look

[lusty grotto]

Kenade

not Keladan

[ember arrow]

Oh

Whatd he do

[lusty grotto]

ripped off guides from the fury channel

[ember arrow]

Ohhhhh

I think i remember

[soft kindle]

couldn't do his own theorycrafting and shit, so he ripped off Archi's work

[lusty grotto]

right

[chilly brook]

Oof

[astral crystal]

anyone know how much rep the war campaign gives total?

[lusty grotto]

hmmm not sure

[ember arrow]

Depends if u can stand doing it

[timid jay]

7

[ember arrow]

7

[chilly brook]

Not sure tbh

But I don’t think it’s much

Probably 7k or less

[astral crystal]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[timid jay]

See

Was totally right

[ember arrow]

Cosmo for tc when?

[lusty grotto]

lol

[timid jay]

Maybe if I start playing again

[ember arrow]

Xd

[chilly brook]

According to wowhead you’ll get maybe 10-60 for a quest if you’re lucky but most of them don’t give you anything @astral crystal

[lusty grotto]

why do you ask Atticus?

for alts purposes?

[astral crystal]

havent touched it on my alliance loser

[lusty grotto]

ohhh

[ember arrow]

Maybe hes doing korean cheese repstrats

[astral crystal]

i'm already halfway through honored just doing emissaries/weekly azerite thing

[lusty grotto]

well there's those wanted poster things that pop on the camps

i think they stop after revered though

[chilly brook]

Speaking of wowhead

Kek

[frosty wedge]

they give a ton of rep though

like - 250 rep per wanted poster

[chilly brook]

Clearly English isn’t his native language but I find that funny

[lusty grotto]

lol

i don't think you'll need the rep after youre exalted on your main in 8.1

considering the whole rep change thing

[astral crystal]

my main is horde

dunno if that'll apply to alliance

[lusty grotto]

it's an equivalent, it should

but don't quote me on that because lolblizz

[sand egret]

only if you moved that char to alliande

rep works as char/account based flags

[astral crystal]

i wish ;_;

[lusty grotto]

that's not quite true

i have northrend exalted achievement for the starting rep on both factions

i only grinded it on my main

of couse i can't buy exalted shit like i should in 8.1 but still

[sand egret]

so you have the achievement but not the rep?

[lusty grotto]

yea

horde expedition = alliance vanguard in wotlk

[sand egret]

then that is exaxtly how I said it would be lol

[lusty grotto]

oh

[sand egret]

those old reps were consolidated a while ago

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's not what i meant lol

[sand egret]

like what I imagine they’re doin in 8.1

[lusty grotto]

at least i can do Siege on my alt now lol

[sick sentinel]

Hello my fellow prot warriors

[frosty wedge]

it doesn't, you'll have to redo it

[lusty grotto]

nah my alts are horde too :p

but i see how they are separate

different story lines

from each faction

[sick sentinel]

Horde life.

Both choices suck.

[signal plover]

Hello weep

[sick sentinel]

Horde life sucks.

[lusty grotto]

i guess i have to grind it with my alliance like Atticus

[sick sentinel]

@ story direction Horde

[lusty grotto]

real question is

who's team saurfang with me

[ember arrow]

If only story was biggest problem with wow

One can dream

[sand egret]

Saurfang is my boi

[chrome falcon]

traitors in skyhold

yikes

[astral crystal]

dude i hate the fucking horde

i just wish i could be a dwarf again

but blizz basically gave up on faction balance

[ember arrow]

What

[chrome falcon]

saurfang lived through the alliance's literal concentration camps and still wants to subject the horde to alliance conditions of surrender

[sand egret]

well Saurfang is Broxigar's bro and Broxigar is my fav

[chrome falcon]

y i k e s

[astral crystal]

alliance concentration camps under anduin tho

[sand egret]

so I'm with the guy

[astral crystal]

and anduin would probably not force a complete abnegation of their sovereignty

[sand egret]

yeah no way

that's like Sylv going, "ya know what, I was wrong sorry ya'll"

"my bad"

[ember arrow]

Just a prank bro

[dusk locust]

wasn't the alternative killing them all

[chrome falcon]

oh well as long as it'll probably be fine then i guess we just surrender to our lifelong enemies

[sand egret]

I doubt it'd be surrender in that way

[astral crystal]

if we're going to talk about lifelong

the horde is 100% in the wrong

[ember arrow]

Conflict wont end

[lusty grotto]

sorry i don't want to be under Lich Queen aka "worse than hellscream"

[ember arrow]

Wow makes money

[astral crystal]

they invaded a fucking alien planet and started laying claim to it because MUH TERRITORY

[ember arrow]

Relax guys

[astral crystal]

imagine that in real life, if several migrants came to your country an dstarted telling you it was theirs and they'll kill you if you dont cooperate 🤔

[ember arrow]

So

[astral crystal]

Kappa

[ember arrow]

Like irl

In europe

[chrome falcon]

@astral crystal what planet are you even talking about

[lusty grotto]

whoa now

[astral crystal]

orcs came from draenor to azeroth

azeroth is alien to them

is what i'm saying

[lusty grotto]

you mean like what happened in the US? @astral crystal

[chrome falcon]

ok look i don't think we can judge the orcs for what they did when they were hopped up on demon blood

[lusty grotto]

Europeans came, killed all the indians

laid claim to lands

[chrome falcon]

that shit doesn't do much for your self-control

[astral crystal]

i'd only accept a troll and tauren horde

everyone else can go back to their planets

[uneven mason]

Blood elves

[ember arrow]

Belfs only decent lookin race

[uneven mason]

are just trolls

[ember arrow]

Though

[lusty grotto]

hey now, only Female belfs

[sand egret]

Sylv is going to go full on old god and Saurdaddy will take us back

[lusty grotto]

male belfs are BANNED

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto rare footage of male belf

[astral crystal]

saurfang already said he didn't want to be a leader

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ wtf

[astral crystal]

so he wont probably

i also think it's time to stop with orc leadership

[sand egret]

"I don't want to be leader" = they become the leader

[astral crystal]

baine is ready to rule

[sick sentinel]

Saurfang openly colluding with Alliance. Besides betraying the front.

[ember arrow]

@sand egret exactly

Thats how bad writimg works

[sick sentinel]

As much as I love Saurfang and all that he's done in the past to present, I cannot side with him with how Blizzard's shit writing molds him.

[chrome falcon]

i saw some interesting theorycrafting that the saurfang questline in 8.1 ends in swamp of sorrows which is right next to outland

[sick sentinel]

Baine's going to make horde a pacifist joke.

[astral crystal]

he has to go back

[ember arrow]

Swamp of sorrows sums up state of bfa

Fitting

[sick sentinel]

Sylvanas possessed/colluding with Old Gods though.

ALL FEELS BAD.

[chrome falcon]

I can't believe people unironically think saurfang isn't a traitor when he is literally working for the alliance's chief intelligence agency

[sick sentinel]

And the King^

Cinematic.

[sand egret]

he is a traitor but it's the reasoning that changes it

[lusty grotto]

i don't think he's not a traitor

but i'd rather follow him besides the fact

[astral crystal]

dude the horde doesnt understand a vacuum of power, they are savages without culture who constantly grasp at dominion over one another; even if sylvanas is out, some other disgusting barbarian will take her place

[ember arrow]

I hoped he woukd kill the tree dude

But hes a pussy

[sand egret]

eh, the horde isn't that binary imho

[ember arrow]

Malforion or whatever

[lusty grotto]

malfurion

[terse oasis]

let's burn iron forge next, it's morally gray, they are dwarves.

[sand egret]

but its metal

[chrome falcon]

lorthemar needs to grow a pair of balls

[sand egret]

and stone

[ember arrow]

@astral crystal someone cares a lil too much

[terse oasis]

just have to b urn it extra hot.

[chrome falcon]

claim the title of king of quel'thalas

[sand egret]

and LITERALLY ON A VOLCANO

[chrome falcon]

and fuck the alliance up

[sand egret]

but i like it

[terse oasis]

even easier, just set off the volcano

[astral crystal]

no levko

[lusty grotto]

just throw my neck in, it'll blow the volcano up np np

[ember arrow]

Why care about a story u cant influence

[astral crystal]

i just want the dwarves to rule

as it should be

i think youre taking my comments too seriously lol

[ember arrow]

I didnt read it

[sand egret]

solid perspective

[astral crystal]

im just being inflammatory and suggesting real world parallels Kappa

[sand egret]

dwarves are the best race

[lusty grotto]

"hey guys i think i dropped my... oh, another expansion coming with faction war due to this"

[ember arrow]

If i cant change story then whats the point

[lusty grotto]

some people enjoy it

[astral crystal]

if dwarves were in charge they'd have dug their way to azeroth's spirit already

[lusty grotto]

because it's an extension to the RTS games

[ember arrow]

Games stories that are linear

Pointless tbh

Watch a movie

[terse oasis]

9.0 prot warrior becomes a healing spec.

[sand egret]

hey you hordies, what's the deal with my fav, Vol'jin. Heard some shit about his spirit or what not

[lusty grotto]

uhh that's like your opinion man

[sand egret]

i'd take a fucking huge plot hole and bring him back

[ember arrow]

Story<<<gameplay

[sand egret]

he was the best

[terse oasis]

wait.. wow has a story?

[ember arrow]

Last of us was a garbage game thats a giant escort quest

[lusty grotto]

.............

[terse oasis]

they have times you have to smash escape and press skip.. but story?

[ember arrow]

Story can be good but i cant be arsed

[lusty grotto]

get the fuck out Levko

[sand egret]

his trolling is on point today, not gonna lie

[lusty grotto]

that one got me

[sand egret]

who the fuck said the cursed phrase btw

[ember arrow]

Well i played lazt of us

Garbage gameplay

[sand egret]

was it you again @digital arrow !?

[ember arrow]

Good story

[lusty grotto]

i don't know how you would say it was garbage gameplay

it was anything but

[ember arrow]

Dark souls = good gameplay

Compare

[lusty grotto]

its not the same type of game

and yes i enjoy DS and Bloodborne too

[ember arrow]

Escort quests= bad

[lusty grotto]

you must have played on ez mode

[ember arrow]

I always play games on medium

[lusty grotto]

try the hardest setting

[chilly brook]

Last of us was a console game

Hence it’s garbage

🙃

[lusty grotto]

listen

[ember arrow]

Why would i try hardest setting

[lusty grotto]

same reason we play prot warriors

and you bdk

[ember arrow]

Only games worth replaying

[lusty grotto]

😃

OOF

[ember arrow]

Are worth puttimg on hardest

[frosty wedge]

looks like they buffed warbreaker

[lusty grotto]

nah they reverted nerf iirc

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto yes i picked the better class

Big ooof

[lusty grotto]

the "easier" class

oof

[ember arrow]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

makes sense if you play games on medium

[ember arrow]

Whats wrong with that

[lusty grotto]

🙃

[ember arrow]

If a class requires less effort for same reward

[terse oasis]

Time to pick up monk, or DH

[ember arrow]

Thats good

[lusty grotto]

k

last of us is still a masterpiece

[chilly brook]

Last of us is console garbage

Change my mind

[terse oasis]

the last good console game i played was tetris

[ember arrow]

Last of us= life of black tiger

Quality wise

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[chilly brook]

Just another action adventure third person shooter game with stealth elements

Nothing special

[ember arrow]

Cod 4 was good

After that

Riiiiiiip

[chilly brook]

There’s only a million of them on console

[wild bolt]

Ellie is a legit badass

[lusty grotto]

breath of the wild is another masterpiece

[ember arrow]

Generic escort partner #34

[sand egret]

lol woooof

[wild bolt]

Not to discount Joel....that whole interrogation/kneecap trauma scene was buuuuuhhhhrutal

[sand egret]

gonna 👢 🍵 👏 on outta this one

[ember arrow]

@lusty grottoyes i enjoy weaps breaking after 2 hits too

[chilly brook]

I mean you want real brutal?

Play manhunt

[wild bolt]

Fair.

[ember arrow]

I rather u organize a manhunt for me @chilly brook

Than playing it

[chilly brook]

The only console game worth buying a console for is God of War imo

[lusty grotto]

sure

which i have as well

[wild bolt]

I just really liked the characters in TLoU. The story, while a better narrative than most console experiences, wasn't SUPER original or anything. But the characters were pretty endearing.

[ember arrow]

If a game is exclusive

[lusty grotto]

did GoW on hardest difficulty too

[ember arrow]

Shame i wont be playing it

[lusty grotto]

because i ain't a pussy

🙃

[chilly brook]

Exclusivity for anything outside of technical reasons is a horrible practice

[ember arrow]

Epeen size increased

I agree matt

Omg

We agree

On smt

[chilly brook]

I bet we agree on a lot more things than we don’t

[wild bolt]

And yeah Grounded mode does enhance the experience a lot, too. I wouldn't say it does stealth particularly well but the combination of all the parts made for a really enjoyable game. I think I played through it 3 or 4 times total. Didn't touch multiplayer mode though. The controls are a little too loose for MP for me.

[ember arrow]

Well yes but for my joke to work you shouldnt think that far ahead

[chilly brook]

😉

[ember arrow]

I got 1500 hours in xcom eu modded

And uhh

1000 in xcom 2

My most played games on ateam

On lol i got about 8k hours

[chilly brook]

My most played game on steam is PUBG 🙃

[ember arrow]

But that was a different life

[lusty grotto]

my most played game on steam is dota2

then pubg

[wild bolt]

Haha....Stellaris.

[chilly brook]

~1000hrs on PUBG

[wild bolt]

By a LONG shot, too.

[chilly brook]

But then again I kinda have to play it

[lusty grotto]

1. dota2, 2. pubg, 3. ark 😦

in that order

[chilly brook]

Such is life when you join your colleges esports program and start the team for PUBG

[wild bolt]

Ark looked interesting but I never picked it up. Worth a play?

[ember arrow]

Whats ark

[lusty grotto]

i wish i could play again, but my friends are all into blackout now which i don't like

because TTK is absurd

[chilly brook]

I’m considering picking up blackout

[lusty grotto]

if it goes down in price ill get it

[chilly brook]

I’m probably gonna wait to see if it goes on sale for Black Friday though

[lusty grotto]

otherwise nah

[wild bolt]

@ember arrow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark:_Survival_Evolved

[chilly brook]

Otherwise it’s a bit much for me price wise for one game mode

[lusty grotto]

@wild bolt if you do, make sure you join an unofficial server

yeah i agree griff

[chilly brook]

But been putting a ton of time into R6 recently

Hit plat the other day as well

[ember arrow]

@wild bolt ty

[wild bolt]

Dinosaurs & machine guns man. Tough combo to top! 😄

[lusty grotto]

It's fun but without a good server community, it's kinda meh

[wild bolt]

Makes sense

[ember arrow]

Xcom 2 is a better star wars game

Than bf 2

[wild bolt]

Truth.

[ember arrow]

Modded

[wild bolt]

Oh, SW mod?

Nice.

[ember arrow]

No

[wild bolt]

Aww

[ember arrow]

U got a guide which mods to download

Xcom 2 will basically be star wars turn based

[wild bolt]

Gotcha

[ember arrow]

Used it a bit. Then realized i pref skimpy outfits to stormtroopers

[wild bolt]

lol

[ember arrow]

Male AND female. Im inclusive. The official dlc even cater to both

Fireaxis prob last aaa company caring about their players atm

They released bunch of free stuff lime month ago

Skirmish mode

And 4 campaigns

Took me 20 hours

Free

[wild bolt]

Damn

That's a ton of content

[ember arrow]

Custom battles was asked since xcom eu came out in 2012

Finally they lustened

[lusty grotto]

https://youtu.be/z2ehSDCXYy8 look what I found

[ember arrow]

Also u can choose between xcom 2, xcom eu or xcom ufo defense soundtrack

[lusty grotto]

That's me :)

[ember arrow]

Prob my fav part

[wild bolt]

bbl

[ember arrow]

Amd switch at any point

[lusty grotto]

Hardest boss on gow in hardest difficulty

[ember arrow]

9 11 vid length

[lusty grotto]

Yep

[ember arrow]

Cheeky bastard

[lusty grotto]

Long fight

Took me like 23 tries

One mistake and you're done

I gotta play the new game plus thing though

[ember arrow]

Idc about gow so idk what is happening

But good i guess

[lusty grotto]

You can parry like in DS

[ember arrow]

+im not interested to learn more

🐷

[signal plover]

Da fuqq is going on in here today

[lusty grotto]

😂

[ember arrow]

@signal ploverstate of bfa

Nothing to do so u do smt else

Same on wow discords

[signal plover]

#shrug I got plenty to do

Gotta herd the lads to rekill zul so we can actually do mythrax prog

[lusty grotto]

Back to prot discussion before the mods wake up!

[ember arrow]

Uhhh

Alright

Any one got pawn strings for prot?

[cinder pasture]

Yes, stack leech

[wild bolt]

I just use the defaults, @ember arrow.

[cinder pasture]

Nothing else matters 😄

[ember arrow]

Oh no

[wild bolt]

😄

Ok Prot question

I will freely admit that I have had a serious lucky trinket streak going, but now I can't decide which to use:

[uneven mason]

Tutonka don't use any pawn strings

[wild bolt]

380 Rezan's, 380 Jes's, 385 Disc, 370 Doom's, DM Card

[uneven mason]

please for the love of god

don't use them

[wild bolt]

(it was sarcasm. The smiley was late, sorry)

[uneven mason]

they haven't been updated since Legion

ah

ok

whew

Uh, 380 rez/jes

nobrainer

[wild bolt]

ilvl rule only applies to "armor" pieces, right?

[uneven mason]

well

ilvl generally wins

[wild bolt]

But Disc is garbo? 😄

[uneven mason]

but Rez and Jes provide defensive benefit

as well as offensive

disc provides str stat stick status

and a shitty proc

which is bad for DPS

I'd say you'd probably get more DPS from REzan than Disc

[fresh dragon]

yo. so the only change warrior takes are IP out of GCD and SB cd recuction by 2 sec? :V

quite a pain....

[modern brook]

thats a lot tbh

[wild bolt]

Yeah but that IP change plays REALLY nicely with AM.

[fresh dragon]

a lot.. lol...

[lusty grotto]

And blocking projectiles

[fresh dragon]

compared to dk's or brm is quite shit 😄

[modern brook]

then roll dk or brm

[fresh dragon]

i am 😄

[daring marlin]

people that shit on prot warrior should just take notes from Boost.

the prot god

[fresh dragon]

brm is quite fun to play 😄

[daring marlin]

:^)

[hushed cobalt]

Boost is the prot that tanked a waycrest 13 without a healer right?

[wild bolt]

I'm curious if BV will still be the clear winner when DC is gone though.

[sweet kettle]

@fresh dragon I hope you are joking

[daring marlin]

@hushed cobalt Yep.

[fresh dragon]

ye i want to see this Boost in pug doing a 13 WM 😄

[sweet kettle]

Yeah he did that Onan explosive week also

[lusty grotto]

Hey

[daring marlin]

in pug

sad

[lusty grotto]

Sense is the prot god

Boost is Jesús christ

[daring marlin]

my bad

[daring marlin]

I meant to say

The korean prot god

😛

[lusty grotto]

True true

[ember arrow]

I mean. Demanding that u myst be able to pug it is dumb

[daring marlin]

incredibly

[hushed cobalt]

I gotta re watch to see if his SS were 1shotting explosives

[ember arrow]

Theres no benefit in pugging or not communicating

[wild bolt]

I love that explosive week basically turns every fight into the last boss of Underrot.

[fresh dragon]

this channel nerver changes xD

[ember arrow]

Wat

[daring marlin]

Trolls like you never change.

loil

[ember arrow]

You came in here asking

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

[fresh dragon]

coz to see if war will have major changes but it wont...

they just do some random changes

[ember arrow]

It is quite alot

Interaction with AM

[daring marlin]

random changes

[ember arrow]

Is kinds obvious

Why can i see this when i didnt play for 2 months

[daring marlin]

IP off the GCD, blocking projectiles, more passive mitigation, 2 secs off SB

[hushed cobalt]

IP off gcd isn't major?

[ember arrow]

But u call it random

[daring marlin]

pretty decent

[fresh dragon]

they just roll back to legion

[lusty grotto]

It's not the channels fault if blizzard wants to do what you consider "minor" changes though

[steel mauve]

@wild bolt dc isnt gone, it will still be worth a bit of ilvl and still a winning trait, just not as broken as it was, and bv will still win out

[ember arrow]

Legion prot was superior

No complaints

[sweet kettle]

Legion prot was really fun

[fresh dragon]

ye it was

[daring marlin]

just get even more haste to offset the DC nerf more

simple

:^)

[sweet kettle]

Especially tier 21 prot

[ember arrow]

Can they rerol to 7.3.5

[wild bolt]

Well, I meant in terms of what traits the next set of Azerite gear has....it won't still have DC will it? @steel mauve

[ember arrow]

While at it

That will get me b to wow

[daring marlin]

It will have DC

just as a secondary trait

[wild bolt]

Ah.

[daring marlin]

we get a new ring but we'll still have DC

and DC just won't be nearly as mandatory

[wild bolt]

Yeah that was my next thought

how mandatory will it still be.

[modern brook]

t21 was hilarious tbh

[daring marlin]

slam->ip->slam->ip->slam->ip

[modern brook]

battlecry -> S H I E L D S L A M was a hella rotation

[daring marlin]

having the most HPS on some bosses was hysterical

[steel mauve]

The downside of devestator is that you have to use the shield slam reset to gain the rage from it, which gets devalued since we can also reset it with revenge and tclap now and not just the autos from the talent

[daring marlin]

inb4 they slap the 5 rage on devastator back

someday

[lusty grotto]

One can dream

[fresh dragon]

lol

[steel mauve]

If they readded rage gain on melee with dev then it would win easily

[wild bolt]

Even without that though, it only takes...what, 3 SS procs to give more rage than BV? BV has other benefits too, and plays perfectly with the DC playstyle, but given a normal proc distribution, shouldn't Devastator win for rage?

[steel mauve]

And would be broken again

[daring marlin]

I was wondering that. But it just feels bad not having BV right now, especially at the start of a pull.

The on-demand rage is 2gud

[wild bolt]

Yeah, and the extra dmg boost is really nice too

[steel mauve]

Have to think though, you lose those resets a lot, since nearly any thing can reset ss, and you still wouldnt pass a tclap ability during an avatar window, and how many times would you reset ss with just tclap there

[wild bolt]

Fair point.

[steel mauve]

And every time you cancel an ss reset with dev talent with another reset youve gained nothing with it, which is wasteful

[wild bolt]

True, you almost would have to wait until each autoattack before hitting a GCD ability...which is far from optimal even with a swing timer

[steel mauve]

That and you would HAVE to use 3 devestator reset ss's within the 25 second cd of demo shout to over ride bv, and not revenge or tclap resets, since those are baseline, they would need to be the talented resets

[daring marlin]

I'm curious.

The vial drains over the duration

How much does it drain?

[lusty grotto]

Vial?

[uneven mason]

start value / duration =

should be linear

[chilly brook]

You asking about strength vial trinket?

[daring marlin]

Yeah.

[chilly brook]

Starts with 3 stacks and loses one stack every ~5 seconds I think

It’s like a 16 second duration right?

[daring marlin]

18

[chilly brook]

Ah so every 6 seconds

[daring marlin]

So if it were every 6

Sounds good

[chilly brook]

You lose 1/3rd of the strength

[daring marlin]

That's all I was wondering. lol Haven't gotten to play with it.

[chilly brook]

I’m currently using it in fury

Have a 375 one

[daring marlin]

I wanna use it for zek mythic.

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately I’m no longer tanking in Uldir 😢

[daring marlin]

😦

[lusty grotto]

F

[chilly brook]

But I’m in a guild that’s now 6/8

Soooooo

I guess I can live with it

[modern brook]

I have a 390 of the vial of corrupted blood trinket

I still use rezan over it on both arms and prot

[daring marlin]

Lucky.

That burst is absolutely insane.

[sly oyster]

hey are theere some protection new for next patches?

i hope they tune prot

[daring marlin]

[sly oyster]

okey thats good news

[daring marlin]

Yes.

[chilly brook]

I’ll miss these days

[ember arrow]

Padding

[chilly brook]

Damage is damage on trash my dude

[uneven mason]

my DPS on Zek mythic is a real contribution

I know its bad for damage reduction

but i sit on avatar until the soldiers come out

cause killing those adds saves the healers a ton of mana

and my survivability is not a problem heh

[lusty grotto]

Well then, it's not bad for damage reduction as a whole

[chilly brook]

Stop padding Mac

[lusty grotto]

👌

[ember arrow]

Oh on trash

[tiny sphinx]

padded like a menstruating firehose

[lusty grotto]

Rofl

Holy shit I chortled

[digital arrow]

LOL

[signal plover]

Avatar lines up with warrior spawns pretty well just through regular use on M zekboi

[digital arrow]

@sand egret yes twas i, that incurred the wrath of butthurt bdk mains. I might've whispered the cursed phrase "resident bdk sleeper" and lol'd to myself at work

(im assuming that a troll came in here earlier, havent read chat yet lol)

[sand egret]

hahah

👃

on the nosey

[digital arrow]

dammit i'll have to read what i missed later lol

[sand egret]

ah it was just a particularly strong uptick

it's the day after resets, probably par for the trend 😃

[digital arrow]

of course of course

[sand egret]

salt levels always a lil' higher

[ember arrow]

Pocky the rebel. Risking nothing all in the name for prot 🙌

Kappa

No external emotes

[digital arrow]

hahaha 🙌 levko, the only cool bdk main left

[ember arrow]

/s or not

I cant detect

[digital arrow]

not sarcasm! lol

[ember arrow]

Well i dont play wow

[sand egret]

haha I imagine you at work sitting there and here someone say "resident slee-" and you just fly over the desk in a diving tackle. "NuUUUUUUU!"

[digital arrow]

LOL

easier since its all standing desks

[lusty grotto]

fuck standing desks

[sand egret]

in a brief moment of relief, you look over to another coworker who just happens to be like "Derek, what was acronym again...." "Oh it was BDK"

FUUUUUUU

summoning complete

[digital arrow]

fools!

jumps out a window

[ember arrow]

@digital arrow wait what are u refering to

Which mains

[sand egret]

lolol

[digital arrow]

your bdk wasnt it named Offtank?

[ember arrow]

Yea

Last time i checked

[sand egret]

hey, I like my standing desk Nim

it's also suuper useful for what I do

[digital arrow]

u taking a break till 8.1 levko?

[ember arrow]

Prob more. But we will see

But what about my bdk

If bfa stays this quality it will be 9.0 most likely 👌

[lusty grotto]

i find standing desks hurt my posture more than chairs

but i'm a java developer so idk

[ember arrow]

Lower back

Rip

[wintry ermine]

then you need to get used to it

[digital arrow]

damn

[ember arrow]

Stop sending me java needs update

Idc

[lusty grotto]

heh heh heh i have ACAA behind me heh heh heh

[signal plover]

Prolly cuz ur sittint posture is shit and your body is fighting to correct it when u stand

[lusty grotto]

so no getting used to standing desks 😄

[signal plover]

Breh stand up for ur right

[lusty grotto]

no

[digital arrow]

the correct way to sit: _/

[sand egret]

oh yeah I have to get up alll the time

[signal plover]

Yo party

[lusty grotto]

its cause i keep leaning when standing

[signal plover]

Stop tryina be cool

[lusty grotto]

i'm not trying to 😦

[digital arrow]

same 😦

[sand egret]

I dont have to try 😎

[lusty grotto]

i just naturally shift to holding my head and natural facepalm mode regularly

[sand egret]

modern day Thinking Man over here

[lusty grotto]

it's out of frustration

mostly

[digital arrow]

lol

[sand egret]

just start "compiling" and go do something else 😃

[lusty grotto]

like the ole regular "client wants a pink cat in his app", why did i apply for a full stack position

[sand egret]

OH

dont get me started on pink fucking cats

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[sand egret]

I'm still triggered by the word "flamingo" cuz of that type of shit

[lusty grotto]

honestly though i just end up resting my elbows on standing desks

and leaning forward

[ember arrow]

I worked at a company

Named flamingo flowers

Look it up no joke

[sand egret]

Yeah I'm currently on a VR project so I do a lot of standing/moving. I came from a sitting desk so I can feel ya since my last project was not super fun to do standing

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[sand egret]

it works for me 😃

[hoary elbow]

is prot war good on getting trashes from mythic devourer?

[ripe jetty]

So is Blizz still evaluating prot warrior for next patch or is the great rework just small % increases, IP off GCD, and shield block cd reduction?

[ember arrow]

Thats quite substantial

Also blocking ranged autos

[ripe jetty]

Eh not enough for me, guess I'll stay unsubbed till they decide that there should be more than blood dk in M+

[cloud bone]

Which 2 of these 3 rings should I use?

[sand egret]

id personally take the haste ones

[cloud bone]

that's what I was thinking but not sure how good the socket is on the crit one

[sand egret]

eh, haste makes the spec feel better and that is a huge point for me

so I side with haste when it comes to these things.

[raven kernel]

go with the socket ones

more stats overall is better

all stats are good for us

[sand egret]

it prob depends a bit on what you're current stats are

since those options can definitely help fill in a gap if you have it

[cloud bone]

with both the socket rings i'm sitting at 1k haste so i'm not doing bad on it

[lusty grotto]

yeah i'd go with socket

[cloud bone]

my mastery is apparently higher tho somehow

guess I gotta eat haste food in raid now

[sand egret]

yeah then hit the sockets

[lusty grotto]

no need to push haste that way

unless if you want RA to use haste

so yeah you could do haste food

but you should be fine with ITF

@cloud bone

[uneven mason]

why wouldn't we want RA to use haste

hitting 80% during heroism

HNNGGG