with EFFECTIVE UPTIME
#protection
neon tangle
@timber vault I mean, you do want it up as much as possible -while things are hitting you-
uneven mason
Literal uptime = just spamming the fucking hting for no reason
sand egret
think about it like your electricity.
lusty grotto
(hoping you have bolster talented, cause if you don't....... you might wanna take a look at pins)
uneven mason
warriors have 100% "Effective" uptime on block for almost all fights in Uldir
sand egret
Rich ass mofos dont have to give a shit about keeping it on all the itme (other classes). We only turn em on when we need to see becuase we ain't made of money
sand egret
just keepin it real
wild bolt
Best analogy ever.
neon tangle
@timber vault something I generally do when I feel like I'm getting wrecked, and wonder if it' being a warrior, etc: I just check the logs and see how the other tank looked
they almost always are getting fucked up just as bad
timber vault
One of my largest problems, probably, is my desperate need for a new shield
neon tangle
It certainly help a bunch
wild bolt
It's without a doubt the single biggest upgrade we can get
neon tangle
and is really punishing for people without a good one
arguably another one of the issues w/ warriors this tier
lusty grotto
hey i finally upgraded my 355 shield last night with HVectis 😦
wild bolt
Nice
wild bolt
Still rocking 355...lowest piece I have. #feelsbadman
lusty grotto
my 1 hander is still 355 😦
wild bolt
/highfive bro
timber vault
looks at 330 shield
neon tangle
overall I'm 372, finally swapped aorund enough gear to get haste from the array
feels good
timber vault
Im just trying to get gear. itemization this expac is complete ass with the fact azerite gear doesnt have secondaries
daring marlin
crit life
sick sentinel
im rich. sorry.
timber vault
I question that decision heavily. It would have been an interesting thing, the idea of azerite having random secondaries
sick sentinel
waiting to find 385+ socket BOE gloves/bracers.
neon tangle
woooo
timber vault
could have crit/mast on one drop, and the same item for another person could be haste/crit
sick sentinel
on 5 different servers.
neon tangle
witness the power of the mythrax trinket
timber vault
gimme
lusty grotto
:\
timber vault
personal loot has done me no favors at all this expac
neon tangle
Trinket is kinda bad, but it helps a bit in mythic raiding, at least more than anything else I've got
valid knot
Any quick tips on how to prioritize as prot warr? Always IP?
daring marlin
no
lusty grotto
i'm probably gonna scrap mythrax trinket if it ever drops for me 😃
neon tangle
@lusty grotto It's a pretty hefty absorb at 370+
valid knot
Ok
lusty grotto
neon tangle
If I had a howler's or rezan's maybe I'd use one of those instead
little rain
It's almost 2019 and I still cant roll a >370 rezans trinket kms
lusty grotto
i see
well hopefully youll get it in today's chest 😛
it's too bad this week's event is the craptacular pet battles bs
steep lily
I've got 370 jes and 385 syringe w socket. Is it worth using a 370 mythrax trinket at that point?
neon tangle
Prolly not
little rain
This week is the easiest m+ affixes, go out there and make me proud bois, ez loot ez score
lusty grotto
yup ☝
daring marlin
I want a jes’ don’t fucking exist
heady citrus
how well do you guys value leech?
daring marlin
That’d be neat
lusty grotto
we don't
it's a tertiary stat
i mean, if you can stack it without sacrificing anything, then it's certainly useful to a degree
uneven mason
@heady citrus Leech will never be worth sacrificing ilvl
supple path
I'm just sad itemization doesn't support leechsuits.
primal crypt
@little rain you still streaming?
I've received 3x370 rezan on my dk, can't get any on my warrior. Feelsbadman
uneven mason
I did a 9 TD on my fresh druid
the DK with us got a howler
first I've ever seen
I kicked a kitten
primal crypt
@lusty grotto yeah :( gave away two to some gracious dps
Sitting here wishing I was muliboxing my warrior in the dungeons lol
Yeah, do is running around with rezan/jes
It's so sick...didn't even try to get them
Farmed the hell out of the two dungeons on my warrior and got so much ap
It was great
daring marlin
@uneven mason rip
heady citrus
i finally got my rezan's. i stll dont have jes
heady citrus
370 rezans and 375 syringe 380 vial of animated blood
languid smelt
I received a 370 Servant Splitter in my Mythic Cache today. I am already using a 370 Biomelding Cleaver. I feel like my current weapon is better simply from the stats but does anyone have any experience with the Splitter and it's Proc Rate? https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter&bonus=4777:1482
shut summit
its pretty bad last i checked, would stick with cleaver
languid smelt
Thank you
neon tangle
@shut summit were you in MDI this year?
shut summit
not the shit at blizzcon but the american regionals ya
neon tangle
did you run prot warrior?
shut summit
nope bdk
sand egret
what is life anymore
uneven mason
you were supposed to represent us
sand egret
fuck what web of lies am I trapped in
uneven mason
Where have all the heroes gone
sand egret
god this is a dark day
lusty grotto
i guess it's time to delete my prot spec, just like i did my fury spec back in vanilla
arms only
sand egret
i just learned Santa wasn't real. Again.
uneven mason
When sense turns away from the shield , what is left
neon tangle
Welp, did not expect that reaction
little rain
Nah @primal crypt I don't stream sadly, I don't have the rig to deliver a quality stream and keep the gameplay metrics I'd like. Paypal me 1k and I'll stream 😄
lusty grotto
the earth is probably flat
sand egret
honestly, i'm open to anything at this point
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
just trying to make sense of the chaotic sesspool we live in
median wigeon
Trinkets for mythic mythrax, currently using blockades + howler. ye,nay ?
sand egret
I feel like the first half of a Claritin commercial
uneven mason
@fierce juniper Time to shutter up shop
@lusty grotto At this point I might as well be playing Maplestory
neon tangle
@median wigeon maybe jess + blockades for surv, and then swap in Rezan's or syringe if you wanna do more damage
little rain
I'd swap the blockades for Rezan's @median wigeon if you're struggling on prog, syringe if its on farm
median wigeon
oh alright ill be sure to give it a try. thanks you guys
vocal nimbus
@median wigeon blockades loses value at mythrax
drowsy relic
For M+ what are the best survivability trinkets though? for keys around 15s and up
lusty grotto
why would it lose value?
heady citrus
people dont tank at +15 so none.
vocal nimbus
you dont get much benefit from the stamina buff
heady citrus
its all kiting
lusty grotto
uhhh
drowsy relic
ive done some 13s and 14s, about to do a 15FH on my prot
neon tangle
@vocal nimbus why would you not get a benefit from the stam buff?
little rain
That's kind of a hard question to answer without knowing what you have. I guess a blind response would be Rezans + Howler's for dungeons you know will have moments you'll want an extra mini-defensive
vocal nimbus
if you or the raid mess up stack management the stam buff gets gutted
primal crypt
@little rain boiiiiiiiiiiiiii....I'm broke
neon tangle
I mean, it's still more stam, so you have more buffer to mess up stack management ?
prisma crane
but it's relative value is directly affected by the debuff
drowsy relic
https://puu.sh/BXtuF/45710f05fc.png are my options atm, havent done much M+, mostly tanking mythic raids
prisma crane
other trinket buffs are not
lusty grotto
plus you're chipping away damage with small heals
drowsy relic
with a hpally healer
neon tangle
fuck I'd take a 395 syringe
little rain
I hate you T.T
But uhh, def the Rezans and Syringe is prolly ok for tyran weeks for most dungeons but yea I'd keep an eye out for another more suitable trinket
drowsy relic
ive got a 370 sporepod as well, is that even worth it atm?
little rain
lels
drowsy relic
its got leech haha
timber vault
Yall think i could tank normal Uldir with 340 sword/330 shield? ._. Got decent gear otherwise
daring marlin
easily lol
timber vault
Games been a total shitter in not giving me a new shield at all.
drowsy relic
Yo @little rain do you stream or release any youtube guides?
cant seem to find anything from you online
drowsy relic
yeah I've literally forced my healer to bear with me for the next few days while I try to learn prot and drop my blood dk lmao
little rain
Nah I can't let people know prot war is actually op or we wouldnt get buffs and I can't betray you bois like that
drowsy relic
:/ :/
little rain
but ya u can ping me or dm questions is fine
drowsy relic
❤ ❤
sand egret
Trav is the hero we need in these dark times.
timber vault
... Dammit. Theres one weapon that matches my mog perfectly. Its the rng warfront 1h caster mace
cinder nova
My guild is under the impression the IP changes are heug like xbox and are hyped to see me livelord it up in 8.1
I don't know how to tell them it'll mean I just get a few more shield slams a fight.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand egret
you could just ride the high...
the bandwagon always keeps moving, no use in trying to course correct it
digital arrow
thank you, trav
lol @ livelord it up in 8.1
that'd be a good channel description
signal rune
Well isnt it a lil surv increase aswell.
Being able to maintain IP easier esp. on trash packs where you got rage for days.
steel mauve
Itll be a tiny gain, but thats about all, its more of a QoL change than a survival change
prisma crane
^
ST it'll be just more free globals for devastate
which should translate into more SSs
prisma crane
it's less rage than BV
restive mauve
So
signal rune
wary crystal
What
prisma crane
@signal rune BV isnt recommended for surv because of the dmg boost, it's recommended because of the 40 rage gain each cast
devastator would be better for surv if it functioned as you say
as it stands, it's only marginally better ST dps gain, in aoe and for surv, BV wins
prisma crane
no
terse oasis
just IP and charge/leap iirc
are they still changing the cap on IP to x2 instead of 1.3?
prisma crane
@restive mauve we dont gain rage from AAs so no, only dmg, you indirectly gain rage from haste by increasing the speed of our GCDs and thus rotational rage gainers
i never heard about the IP cap so i can't comment there
terse oasis
ok
prisma crane
though, that doesnt mean it's not there, i just dont pay attention to PTR stuff all that closely
terse oasis
yup, i haven't heard much more about it after an initial datamine i read a week back.
would be a nice buff if it sticks though
1.3 feels kinda punishing, combined with it only absorbing 50%
sand egret
well those actually work together since less of your shield takes per hit
sand egret
so it’s more of a general reduction to line it up and allow it’s use to persist longer
terse oasis
honestly, if you could stack it up to x2, and amount absorbed scaled some how (capping at 70-80%) would be great.
sand egret
since it compounds nicely with how additional absorbs act as surrogate health
terse oasis
having almost no self heal hurts, even though from what i've seen we take a lot less total damage than most tanks
restive mauve
How about this, I have dagger on MH and AS enchant and get more shield slam resets?
sand egret
they’d prob increase it to 2.0 if for anything because people are going to be beating that button hard with it off@the GCD
restive mauve
With devastator talent
oblique garnet
No
terse oasis
you only get rage from damage taken and rotation abilities iirc
restive mauve
But devastator talent is % chance on auto to reset shield slam, no?
oblique garnet
Idk why you would choose devastator over BV
restive mauve
Because what if its really good with a fast dagger?
quick vessel
I guys... I have a little question.... Am I the unique warrior tank with very big problems to stay alive in the 3th phase of zul hc ?
oblique garnet
How many stacks are you taking
quick vessel
3
oblique garnet
Are you leaving the raid too soon to drop off the debuff
quick vessel
No, I die with 3 stacks in the boss, no away from the raid
prisma crane
@restive mauve procs arent per hit directly, it's normalized around weapon speed
oblique garnet
You arent getting healed
quick vessel
I dont know if its my problem or a healing problem 😦
prisma crane
also, @terse oasis 50% or 90%, doesnt make a difference if we dont have the rage levels we had back in legion
restive mauve
Rage pots inc
prisma crane
as far as the amount of damage it reduces (as a % of our HP) per rage, it's roughly on par with legion
it's just that our ST rage gen in legion was 300%+ more
stark sage
per cast its about the same, but the infinite rage coupled with the 90% effective absorb meant you were free to cast it much more often in legion
prisma crane
yea, if it was 50% in legion, we'd have overcapped it more than we did then
stark sage
precisely
prisma crane
but at least then by that point, it made AM so much fun i didnt care if i wasted rage
signal rune
junior ivy
380 ring with bad stats 😦 im sad
restive mauve
Would everything shift to shield block uptime then?
prisma crane
if they gave us back reflective plating we more or less could
sand egret
🤔
junior ivy
i am supposed to raid tongiht and i think im gonna not raid instead
signal rune
I dont know if the game can differantiate between Bolts / Dot-like spells, but blocking stuff like waterbolts 'n shits would make sense.
sand egret
haha thats a legit excuse...
restive mauve
For work or what
prisma crane
but it's a recurring one now that she has a new job
restive mauve
Always like that?
prisma crane
you gotta stop raiding or get a new raid schedule >.<
junior ivy
this is my last week of getting up at 630
prisma crane
or work schedule* that too 😉
sand egret
yeah, just say that
prisma crane
i forgot you mentioned that
restive mauve
🤔
sand egret
not going to ask the obvious question as I assume you like raiding with em 😃
junior ivy
i barely even wanna play wow lately lol
sand egret
take a break!
restive mauve
I tend to swap between casual and hardcore once or twice an xpac
oblique garnet
Idk even m+ feels like a chore rn
restive mauve
It'll do you good
oblique garnet
Cant wait for the new affix
junior ivy
i tried playing destiny 2. and maple story 2.
sand egret
yeah it should be fun
oblique garnet
Well you chose from the two most boring games
sour iron
Wizard101 obvious choice
oblique garnet
Rdr2 is apparently good
restive mauve
Yeah
sand egret
it's real solid
junior ivy
yeah, i wanna get a ps4 soon
oblique garnet
Tbf bfa has hit a bit of an draught
signal rune
35 days till 8.1 tho
oblique garnet
Im playing wow because i have nothing else to play
north peak
Anyone got a pawn string for prot warrior ?
ivory barn
u use pawn for prot?
ivory barn
bout to say
lusty grotto
ilvl > all (have 1 azerite piece with Deafening Crash)
smoky merlin
That's kind the general rule of thumb. I just happen to have a lot of haste on gear. I just favor it really smooths it out
lusty grotto
it's ok to favor it sure, but not at the cost of ilvl (armor + str is king)
and stam of course
smoky merlin
I'm 2/8M but I do all 3 specs I dont have a mythic guild so I'm limited. But for sure and most certainly true on ilvl
Now here's a question. Do you personally like bolster or 10%more hp
lusty grotto
if you don't have bolster you don't have the right talents
smoky merlin
That's my thought as well
smoky merlin
All I've been using , hell I dont onow was curious as to others thoughts
I am sad that I got the 390 talon wep so I've been trying to favor dps lately, as I'm 380 as arms. But I tank mostly because I don't trust others lol
Too many tanks not doing too hot this expac
steel mauve
Indom is pretty bad, the hp wont help, not near as much as bolster covering your gap in shield block
Otherwise you can keep block up for 51 seconds straight
smoky merlin
In Uldir I'm sitting on 43% haste and I'm getting last stand super quick
lusty grotto
trinket guide
hushed cobalt
In the blockable/reflectable list, even if (say) void lash isn't reflectable it is still magic and spell reflect reduces it?
stone crag
if it's magic damage, it's reduced by SR
lusty grotto
and demo shout
stone crag
how is that relevant, DS is all round Damage reduction
lusty grotto
because people usually don't know that demo shout affects all damage
so i like to remind them since bfa started
lusty grotto
it still helpful, no need to be passive aggressive about it
hushed cobalt
I took the list literally in that not reflectable, SR doesn't reduce(common word mishap on my part)
I also should be tanking heroic tonight for the first time so didn't wanna plop
steel mauve
Ya spell reflect reduces all magic dmg, as long as a reflectable spell doesnt eat up spell reflect
dapper sky
Does Heavy Repercussions Punish and Devastator increase our ST damage?
broken kite
No
open bluff
^
stone crag
devastator is arguable but HR and punish wont
broken kite
Never use them
steel mauve
Punish doesnt, theres no way you want to not take am, it works for demo shout which is a 20% dmg increase
open bluff
the build on icy veins is basically the only build, you may be able to squeeze out a few more DPS with devastator at the cost of 40 free rage for avatar
broken kite
There's no justification for using those talents in the current build of wow
steel mauve
Devestator will increase your dps by a small amount in 100% pure single target, but if you hit a second target with Demo shout with bv itll be a dps gain
dapper sky
I mean I understand the cookie cutter build to maximize both mitigation and damage. Just curious if there was a stronger dps spec at the cost of mitigation
but evidently not 😛
steel mauve
Mathematically devestator will be a dps gain over bv in 100% single target
If you want a pure dps perspective
But you lose 40 rage about every 25 seconds for defensive wise on demand
steel mauve
Yep, it wont be a rage gain, since you actually need to use SS to gain the rage from it, which can be over written by melee, tclap or revenge
dapper sky
yeah was just curious if dropping the whole demo shout damage buff and AM to buff the shit out of my shield slam and make it reset all the time would result in a gain
lusty grotto
not at the moment
steel mauve
Like i said, devestator should win on a fight like mother if you are on boss, or fetid if you dont get to hit adds
But if you get a second target with demo, then dps will win out for bv
But dont take HR
dapper sky
yeah I gotcha
sick sentinel
all the moments I was like "OH SHIT" where I did not have enough rage to renew my SB when like 10 mobs are pummeling me and I just demo into SB
those moments would end with me lying on the floor if not for BV
steel mauve
Punish is only a defensive gain any ways but the haste is s dps increase
dapper sky
Shield slam does 20% increased damage
steel mauve
Ah i thought it was only the 3% dr
dapper sky
and heavy repercussions extends shield block and increases it even more. So on the dummy I was able to get like 5-6 very strong slams on it. It felt good so I figured I would ask in here
sick sentinel
Punish is only better if you can't get more than 2 stacks
steel mauve
Still not worth over 20%+ haste
dapper sky
yeah the haste is op for sure
steel mauve
And the more haste you get on gear the more haste itf gives you
sick sentinel
itf is 15% more haste baseline what do you mean?
(with 5 stacks)
if you mean that it is not affected by reductions, yeah ok but you should have worded that differently
prisma crane
it's more than 15% actually
lusty grotto
you get 15% more haste
prisma crane
worth noting that it's a 15% multiplicative gain, not additive
lusty grotto
of your total haste amount
steel mauve
The more haste you have the better itf gets
lusty grotto
☝
steel mauve
It doesnt just add 15% haste and thats that
prisma crane
add 4.5% to lust alone
sick sentinel
well I was wrong
steel mauve
The tooltip is worded poorely
sick sentinel
LOL
lusty grotto
oof
prisma crane
but yea, as is often the case, tooltips dont tell the whole story and it's frustrating
i can't make many spelling jokes, so many people here speak way more than the single language that i speak
damn europeans making us look bad
junior ivy
je peux parle francais
stone crag
lol
fossil glade
is the trait strength in numbers any good
old night
swap sporepod with vial? whatcha think
i was thinking of keeping vial only because of the strength
amber siren
blockades is still better defensively than those two
Idk between vial and spore, like they're both pretty eh
stone crag
vial
hollow kite
is reinforced plating still in the same position since its buff?
sick sentinel
@old night spore is good if ur planning to do anything without a healer, otherwise vial/blockades
And @hollow kite yes it's still in the same spot, it's useless unless it's on ur azerite gear with high ilvl
old night
thanks doods
sick sentinel
Don't get rid of it tho
hollow kite
so going with the collos reprisal
sick sentinel
Yes
hushed cobalt
does almanac's bee trink line up with last stand? or is the rage reducing cd different?
sick sentinel
@hollow kite 1.5 dmg reduction is very noticeable esp with demo shout
Since it gives u more reason to use free revenge procs and not get mad
mellow kestrel
hey all
Whats the best enchant for prot warriors on weapon
I am in a pinch and cant find the info
mellow kestrel
thx
restive zodiac
Would you still use blockade at 350, when you have a 380 upgrade? Specifically a Briny Barnacle trinket?
cinder nova
Only if you care about maximum turtle-mode.
Otherwise I'd just use STR trinkets of the highest ilvl.
restive zodiac
Ty
sick sentinel
Regarding briny bracle as a replacement to blockades don't switch
The dot is worthless even in M+
If u were to replace blockades with something it would for sure not be that
restive zodiac
I’ve read it can glitch mobs on other floors of mythic’s also. 😦
sick sentinel
That I don't about know, never had it happen
restive zodiac
Ty for input. I see the item level and sometimes I just wanna keep em
prisma crane
keep for bag ilvl 😉
sick sentinel
^
oblique garnet
Oh damn blizzards shares dropped 7%
mossy cairn
Hello, I was wondering, how much % damage mitigated is considered good on a boss fight ? Does it depends on the boss ?
prisma crane
the best answer is honestly as much as you can get
and yes, each boss is different
depends on damage profiles, timing of abilities with CDs, uptimes, etc
mossy cairn
I see, lots of parameters indeed
prisma crane
yea
it's a fairly useless stat
best case of it is to just compare yourself wk to wk
say you mitigated... idk 45% of dmg this wk
and next wk 43, you did something differently that wasnt as great, but if it went to 50, maybe better
but it's still not a very controlled test unless the raid group was the same, kill times were the same, gear, etc
mossy cairn
yeah sure, I can go with a little self competition
prisma crane
more useful things to look at would be % of attacks blocked, % of major tank mechanics blocked, DS uptime, CD usage, etc
mossy cairn
will do, thanks for your answers 😃
merry cave
Another patch another lack of prot changes. Starting to think they are done with us for now
amber siren
wat
chrome falcon
yo dudes just so i'm sure, we still only know one of our new 8.1 azerite traits right?
the crappy avatar thing?
Oh dear god, is this intimidating shout thing ours? How did I miss this
" Intimidating Presence Intimidating Shout reduces the movement speed of affected enemies by 50%, and prevents the next 8109 damage they deal after Intimidating Shout ends." Did I just totally miss this being announced/datamined? I haven't seen any discussion on it at all and it seems quite good
chrome falcon
When did this come up? Same time as the crappy avatar thing?
chrome falcon
Seriously? It seems so bad
With the cap on IP so low
I want to press it and IP at the same time for a T H I C C IP
raven kernel
Mastery gives u attack power and crit block
outer dew
it's more of the mastery looks decent, increase block + AP
raven kernel
If you have 2 or 3 stack of teh trait you'll have massive mastery
Your claps will be huge
Ip will be big
chrome falcon
oh shit i guess you can just stack the fuck up on that trait
amber siren
thicc claps 😩
raven kernel
Crit block %. Will be very very high
chrome falcon
rest of my dumbass group can afk at that point
at the same time
3x intimidating shout would be pretty funny too
chrome falcon
24k DR per mob
i am certainly looking forward to seeing how fucking stupid our m+ dps is in 8.1
current projections suggest: very fucking stupid
raven kernel
The 5th ring is on ptr now
chrome falcon
and we're already at: pretty fucking stupid on live
raven kernel
Someone get on and check our traits pls
chrome falcon
i can't get PTR on my account for some reason, i get some error code i can't find online anywhere whenever i try to install it
raven kernel
I'm at work :(
Inti shout trait is on the inner most ring iirc
The defensives one
If avatar is on new outer ring
Then maybe by some stars aligned rng blizz made gear with 3x avatar 1 dc 2 bfi 3 shout combination
chrome falcon
wait if intimidating shout is inner ring
- that sucks because i'll need to farm ap, yikes
and 2) we still have another prot specific outer ring trait coming
holy fucking shit
mythic battle of dazaralor bastion of might
gives 687 mastery
per trait
that is fucking ABSURD
chrome falcon
Bastion of Might Avatar increases your Mastery by 235 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain.
the mastery amount seems to scale to a silly degree
cloud bone
what about the intimidating shout one?
chrome falcon
Intimidating Presence Intimidating Shout reduces the movement speed of affected enemies by 50%, and prevents the next 8109 damage they deal after Intimidating Shout ends
cloud bone
that one seems interesting if you can stack it
chrome falcon
687 mastery per trait is a disgusting amount
that's 2k mastery during avatar if you stack 3 of them
that is an UNGODLY amount of block, damage and IP thiccness
raven kernel
8.1 prot war = come at me bro
cinder nova
Echo of the Juggernaut
Each time you use shield slam you have a chance to reset its cooldown and guarantee the next Shield Slam you cast will critically strike.
cinder nova
:^)
cinder nova
ahahaha
chrome falcon
REPORTED TO THE COPS
raven kernel
Swoles asshole
cinder nova
utter scum
chrome falcon
friend of mine is looking through PTR
and cannot find a single piece of gear with Intimidating Presence
cinder nova
Probably because they've yet to land.
chrome falcon
the other ones are on there now
raven kernel
It was on vendor gear in earlier ptr
chrome falcon
hence how i know we get nearly 700 mastery from mythic dazaralor bastion of might
raven kernel
People posted screenies of it here before
chrome falcon
i don't even have 700 mastery on live and i'm 382
raven kernel
I have a mastery set with like 900
Crit block will be 100% easily with stacked traits
chrome falcon
alright
even with the DC nerf that i still hate i am officially hyped for 8.1
although now that some traits are so easy to stack i can see them getting nerfed
astral crystal
anything new for warriors in this PTR build?
winged elm
Is Bloodsport still going to be bad with IP coming off global?
prisma crane
IP off GCD does a lot less than you think with our ST rage gen
astral crystal
bruh it frees up a gcd so you can devastate more :^)))
supple path
Good thing 90% of my playtime is spent not ST tanking!
And that's a future-proofing thing too, our rage gen will only grow throughout the expansion.
astral crystal
unless we're capping GCD reduction that's probably not going to happen
i hope they keep adding the soft nerf to raids though
rolling with 70% haste in uldir is ballin
chrome falcon
tbh i feel like our ST rage gen is going to feel pretty bad for the whole expansion
it's not like we're stacking haste, and that's the only stat that increases our generation
actually i suppose with the aforementioned soft nerf to raids, that's not quite true
like if the BoDA version gives 125 stat per stack we will get a bunch
lavish oracle
Are we not stacking haste? I'm definitely stacking haste
sick sentinel
I want to have a certain amount of haste to feel I am playing the game
And after I reach that point just give me crit
I was doing a 10manor with a healer from my guild today
That refused to heal me for like a month because he did some dungeons with me before I start hanging around in this discord
Was running indom (:
supple path
Shaaame.
raven kernel
U baddie
sick sentinel
And I didnt reset stacks on tree boss in manor
supple path
As god intended.
raven kernel
XD
sick sentinel
I parried the last 3 crushes
raven kernel
Tree boss is the ultimate showcase
For prot
When you wanna change how healers look at you
Just being them to wm
sick sentinel
Because I equip the highest ilvl and then haste on equal ilvl
I have ended up with haste/crit on most pieces
+I do 6k hps on every pull
In 8.1 mastery is going to be better than crit though
Because you will be able to crit block "shoot" type hits but not parry them, right?
chrome falcon
there are so few "shoot" type things that i do not think it is worth changing your stat priority for them
a base block will be enough that you can mostly ignore them being there
sick sentinel
I might be biased because I run those dungeons almost exclusively lol
And they are the ones that chunk me
Wrenches in ML
chrome falcon
i've never been even a little bit scared of wrenches in ML
sick sentinel
Beast master after first boss in KR
chrome falcon
like they only cast them once
supple path
I was doing a +10 Motherlode yesterday and I got one shot by a group of 5 wrench throwers, hah.
They each hit me for a 70k wrench as I pulled.
chrome falcon
press shield wall before you pull them
supple path
Yeah, lesson was learned there.
supple path
I normally skip that pack but we had a derpasaurus who was aggroing everything.
sick sentinel
I want to keep my SW to pull big
sand egret
well the second boss can go fuck herself.
chrome falcon
SW has a really short cooldown in m+
sand egret
apologies for the roodness. carry on
chrome falcon
you can use it every other pack roughly
sick sentinel
And I want my shockwave and shout to interrupt heil of flassetea
sand egret
it can?
supple path
I finally started using fear basically on CD in motherlode as an interrupt, so useful.
sick sentinel
Yah
sand egret
toxic is the cast
sick sentinel
It does
chrome falcon
alternatively tell your team not to be stupid
sand egret
storm bolt the hail
sick sentinel
It kills your group
chrome falcon
and use their ST shit on the fan
supple path
Fan of Knives does a good what...100k to the group on a full channel even without toxic?
chrome falcon
it depends what level you're doing
sick sentinel
I have the -15 sec cd on shockwave
supple path
Yeah was thinking 10.
chrome falcon
but 100k is WILDLY overestimating it
sand egret
ew
supple path
I'm just going by the memory of my group's hp bar yesterday when it didn't get interrupted, hah.
sick sentinel
I am not doing anything lower than +10 anymore
chrome falcon
i feel like
either my healer is a god
or you guys are just insanely overrating how much damage this stuff does
100k damage from a flechettes channel? like what?
maybe in a +17
supple path
I mean a holy paladin can heal 100k to the group in 2 globals if they're using CDs.
and it takes like 6 globals for that thing to finish
sick sentinel
Easy 70k to the whole group on fortified
chrome falcon
either way
your group can handle that shit single target
you should be safe to shockwave and fear the wreches
chrome falcon
i can guarantee that i pull as big if not bigger
the only thing in world of warcraft that makes me happy is outdpsing dps players
and the only way i do that is by overpulling trash
sick sentinel
YEAH
chrome falcon
like
sick sentinel
cc infested
chrome falcon
and just blow literally every CD for the wrenches
sick sentinel
And destroy them
chrome falcon
then they do nothing
leap onto them and DS then just SW LS
their only ability just bounces off me
sick sentinel
When we can block those attacks
I'm gonna do skystep pools
I just do swiftness potion pools now cause I got those for free from doing pvp
Question for all of you : Assuming equal skill and a guaranteed warlock in your group (Brez), what healer would you prefer having to push raider.io rating
Druid, or if I'm feeling real nasty paly
chrome falcon
i love playing with a druid
they just work so well with how we want to tank
and bark is beautiful
sick sentinel
Bark is fucking life
quiet kettle
just gonna leave this here https://imgur.com/a/mJWOSMs
worthy dagger
U guys think Vengeance will be viable after 8.1 hit on live?
quiet kettle
bastion replaced reinforced plating
also intimidating presence replaces azerite foritification
sick sentinel
It was meh
Keep giving us good news ❤
FUCK ALL THAT NOISE HOLY SHIT WARRIORS TOP TIERER FOR DPS
TOM/LOW HERE WE GO
sick sentinel
#fuckarmschannel
Well still it applies
DC+BoM
Immense AoE
BIG thunderclaps
Now if only we get a piece with DC/BoM/Presence
then the true cummies will be cum
ie
+earthlink
More str more damage
I will shoot you
I will be able to block that
Earthlink should have been removed
Its shit, everyone knows its shit i refuse to believe anyone who says otherwise
I would go for Str in numbers
But I dislike it less than gobbles
And if you go full damage, you go full damage
@quiet kettle can you check something for me?
Is there a piece of gear that has the same trait twice?
weary python
How is the mythrax trinket? I'm going to be tanking for my raid in 8.1 and I just picked it up tonight.
sick sentinel
@weary python depends on what ilvl it is
weary python
370
sick sentinel
Good.
quiet kettle
not really useful in raid, but can be good in m+ if u coordinate with ur healer to intentionally pop it
sick sentinel
Can I order uhm... 3 bastions of might
weary python
Hrm. What should I use alongside the dark moon trinket then?
sick sentinel
And like, 3 dc
weary python
Or aim for?
quiet kettle
jes' howler is a good choice for both dps/survival
sick sentinel
Zot, just send a screenshot of all your ttrinkets
quiet kettle
pins have a better list
sick sentinel
Same lol
If you want to see what to farm
Farm tol dagor and atal dazar
Jes is amazing
weary python
I'll farm what I need to over the next few weeks. But it seems like the trinket situation is weak as fuck
Okay I'll aim for a jes then. I might have one at like 345 in the bank
sick sentinel
And rezans is a 15 sec steroid with 1 PPM average (I can get like 3 procs in 100 sec sometimes but it averages to 1 per min)
weary python
Str flask still reigns Supreme over Stam right?
sick sentinel
Yes.
sick sentinel
Well for pure survivability you go stam
But come on, you want to see you doing more damage than dps specs and you know it
TOM/LOW DOM
rather just EP/TOM forever tho
weary python
Okay
sick sentinel
Remember that str gives you some parry chance as well
sick sentinel
both str and crit do.
worthy karma
would anyone mind taking a look at the logs from my guilds attempts on vectis today, and tell me if im garbage or if my healers are
please and thanks
also here are logs from yesterday
sick sentinel
#449510248579858432 people would also help
sudden plinth
in your best attempt, someone double stacked omega vector
that doesnt help
ton of people getting hit by bursting lesions also
worthy karma
oh i know people suck at mechanics
cinder nova
You could manage your shield block better.
It's probably not even remotely the cause of any tsuris
But it helps
worthy karma
tsuris?
wipes? 😛
but yea fair enough
how am i not managing it well, just miss timing it?
cinder nova
Your first block is 9 seconds apart.
Some of them are way too close, others too far apart.
worthy karma
ahh yea okay
cinder nova
Also you have A TON of devastates.
Why are you hitting devastate more than any other spell?
worthy karma
some might be far apart if other tank has boss
oh shit didnt think i was hitting it that much
sick sentinel
yikes devastate
worthy karma
old habits die hard i guess lol
supple path
Ehh, you're going to get a pretty high amount of devastates if you're in a single target rage-starved situation and are not using revenge much.
sick sentinel
When I am just pressing 123123123
supple path
But yeah.
supple path
I don't actually know how many times he did.
cinder nova
Over 100.
sick sentinel
@supple path you do not have enough haste prob
worthy karma
yea fair enough swole thats way too much
did realize i was hitting it that much lol
supple path
I was just responding to the people talking like you never use it.
When Swole's saying 30+ uses. *But yeah, 100+ is obviously too many.
cinder nova
I can't say much for how your healers are prioritizing, and they are healing less than most I'd expect on the fight, but if your raid is executing it shouldn't be too hard.
However, there are major improvements to be made on your ability and block usage.
As well as demo uptime.
sick sentinel
70%+ uptime or riot
cinder nova
Also, you're forgetting to hit your SR in the last half of the fight.
You can easily get ~6+ in a standard vectis fight duration
That isn't to say you should use it on CD
But there's plenty of opportunities to use it effectively.
sick sentinel
You can either use it to take less damage from contagion or ninja a vector from a melee, SR the stack ( the expire debuff) and drop it back in the melee
Removes stacks from the fight making the healers job a tiny bit easier
worthy karma
thats a good point
cinder nova
You can also just use it as you get your second stack when it overlaps with contagion
That way it's up for ~4s out of the 8 or so from the debuff
worthy karma
@cinder nova thanks for the analysis
cinder nova
cheers.
worthy karma
i know not to hit dev that much had no idea i was lol
vapid pendant
hey guys, im trying to push for #1 prot warr on my realm, and we've got an underrot key we're gonna push, im just worried about first boss, how do you deal with all the magic damage, or do we legit just need perfect interrupt comp
cloud bone
you interrupt get some other melee with an interrupt and reflect on cd boom
you only need 2 interrupts on the fight really
vapid pendant
ah fair enough
i just remember doing it one time a while ago we couldnt get past first boss lol
stiff gate
a lot of groups use 4 dps and then have the healer swap, but only works with a druid healer to stealth or if your healer invises after swapping back
or if you clear the trash at the start
there's about 0 damage on that fight if you don't do it wrong
and getting the 2nd blood mirror means you wipe about 10 sec later
sick sentinel
Honestly I would not suggest doing the skip
Its an extreme risk/reward and very few people can properly do it
You are asking everyone, urself included, to A) Not die, B) dont let the healer die and C) kill whatever it is so the healer can rez
And if u die, ur group is 90% sure to follow
wind sedge
crit haste or hast mastery?
sick sentinel
If its the same ilvl, haste/mastery
wind sedge
its a 380 weapon and a 370 weapon
sick sentinel
380
wind sedge
respectively
sick sentinel
good for 380
its not rings, and its not trinkets
always go for higher ilvl unless its rings/trinkets or replacing a DC
sick sentinel
regardless, doesnt matter if u lose all ur haste, always go for the higher ilvl
all the stats are useful
crit gives parry, vers makes u do more dmg and take less and helps IP, haste is good, mastery is good
wind sedge
i always assumed that haste is the only stat you should go for
sick sentinel
after a health amount of it you actually want to stack crit for m+
and vers for raids
ionic fern
Did they change Shrine of the storm 2nd boss? The dude doesn't chase you around with the cleave anymore but rather just stands still when he casts it.
Or was it just a weird bug on my run?
sick sentinel
I am pretty sure it was a bug
because how can it be logical that he slows you and then you have to kite
because shut up
This is Bethesda we are talking about
stone crag
what
sick sentinel
I am not going to explain a really easy joke
sick sentinel
Or ur too dumb to get it
stone crag
that's toxic
upbeat folio
I think that was probably the design intent from the start. It always seemed kind of dumb before.
zinc mauve
improper interrupts is what kills on that boss anyhow
merry cave
I figured the design of it was to use the green cleanse circle to get rid of slow
lavish oracle
Doesn't matter either way, you can pretty much face tank the damage as a warrior 😄
raven kernel
You can outrun it semi reliably
sick sentinel
Depeding on your ranged and where they are placed
Fyi if you are still rocking 365 or lower onhanders, cap conquest
370 weapon this week
daring marlin
orly
I haven't capped conq in like 3 weeks cuz I didn't think it would give anything else good
rip
sudden plinth
wish you could just pick from the previous rewards instead of being shoehorned into being weeks behind
makes it discouraging on alts especially
sick sentinel
The cap before the weap
Is a thing where you make any dread glad item into a 370
So I had an enchanted dread glad 360 with a socket and upgraded that
And it kept the socket
sudden plinth
oh im caught up on my warrior but id kill for 370 weapons on a couple of my alts
sudden plinth
oh yeah but these are toons ive only done 1 maybe 2 conq caps on previously
so they're a ways out
sick sentinel
And you can win at 1600 with a like 340 ilvl
You just need azerite gear
All other slots are easy
People are trash that low
I run 2 dungeons today, clear them on time with only 2 deaths. I run 5 more, apparently people's heads are hard glued inside their asses
How the fuck, does my group wipe on the 1st boss of SHRINE
Twice no less
And it's all thanks to my dipshit druid that can't fucking control himself and HAS to put a fucking aoe near the blobs
Which have a ghuunie
ionic fern
Play paladin there and let your group pull before you clear the nearest mobs. It's always fun when the boss charges to where the mobs are so you can't use AS for the rest of the fight cause it bounces to them and pulls em
Good times.
sick sentinel
Then my healer has the balls
THEY FUCKING
BALLS
To say the tank add on the last boss meleed
Him
random finch
I’m not going crazy with the second boss on shrine the dude just casting his cleave standing still
sick sentinel
He is now, he was not in the past
The second boss has always been easy
I literally never move unless a tornado is coming
He hits like wet shit even with tyrn
And his "wetshit buff"
You'd have to be actually playing blind to take damage from anything he does
ionic fern
Prot warriors are good vs blockable damage????:O
sick sentinel
Who would have known
God fuck that last group
They did great DPS but fuck if their brains were not screwed in even a little
ionic fern
I depleted a +12 sots yesterday cause someone accidentally pulled eels somehow during last boss. 😢
sick sentinel
ionic fern
🤷
sick sentinel
There is windowlickers, there is lfr players. That right there
That's something special
I just want to be the #1 tank on my server, why these pugs gotta make it harder
zinc mauve
#1 warrior tank or overall tank
sick sentinel
Number 2 was number 1 for awhile, and is 100 points behind me
I'm #5 as well
But I do so many good runs as dps
I really don't like dpsing m+
With the #2 prot warr on the realm tanking them
It's fun but, it doesn't get me off enough
Same
sick sentinel
But sometimes, you have to
I will start dpsing to farm TD for howler
Or when I want to catch up on utube videos or podcasts
But yeah, I'm #1 war tank and #19 overall on server. And I have to be number 1, so that people can see a prot warrior as the best tank on a server over a dk
Cause if there is anything I love more, it's bragging rights
You gotta make a team then
Premade group
Discord etc
Nope
I want to show my climb was with pain
And through skill
Makes things alot faster though
For sure
But it's not genuie for me
Easier=/faster
It can be easier since ur doing something with people u know and vice versa
ionic fern
You're already showing that by playing a prot warrior.
sick sentinel
I know that, we all know that
But I want the people to see and not have an excuse
"I only got there because I used a premade, got carried" the same shit u can expect
sick sentinel
For me? Yes
ember arrow
you dont get rewarded more for doing it all yourself or by playing a particular class
sick sentinel
For you and others, it won't matter
ionic fern
I mean by that explenation are you also raiding mythic with pugs?
Cause you don't wanna do premades?
molten atlas
whats your characters name and realm?
sick sentinel
I know, I did for AnT
ionic fern
I fail to see your reasoning tbh..on one hand you want to push m+ which benefits hugely from voice communication and running with set people..but on the other hand you only want to pug..those two seem controversial.
🤷
But to each their own i guess.
sick sentinel
They aren't really, it's like saying u need voice comms to do heroic or normal
Mythic yes, but that's high end
12-14 keys arent high end keys
If I were pushing past 15 ATM, I would be using a premade group but I'm not going for high end m+
I have a set goal and that's about it
molten atlas
feelsbad, entire guild is memeing in heroic raiding
sick sentinel
Never stop memeing
molten atlas
2 healing H vectis :/
sick sentinel
Lol
Is it drunk night or something
I need to introduce my guild to gumbling
That was the best shit ever in my old guild
Wasted like an hour from our nights on that shit
zinc mauve
why cant we have an ability that literally allows us to pick up a mob and throw it
who needs mass grip when you have mass throw
tom brady prot warrior comin thru
bleak marsh
Not a bad idea, seeing garrosh in HotS has that ability 😂
gray wolf
