protection

[mighty gulch]

Yeah but i can atleast reflect or interupt that.

[uneven mason]

some times

I just treat them like casters

and play peekaboo

[mighty gulch]

tbh this

[uneven mason]

What we need, is a way to move NPCs lol

a throw, a knockback anything

Rightnow our main ability is "gosh I Hope my DPS are smart enough to not stand in the fucking doorway while I try and LOS

[lapis topaz]

Intimidating shout:D

[quiet crane]

@mighty gulch thatd Be me mate yw

[mighty gulch]

❤

Stay aussie my dude.

[quiet crane]

Al

Always

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason will yeah, having ignore pain off the GCD is more of a QOL than a buff, all those GCDs you were pressing ignore pain you can generate rage instead and in the meantime, all those times you are capping rage during avatar, (everyone does it) you have an off the gcd way to get rid of it so that means way more rage into anger management

While I was not a defender of the "all we want is IP off the gcd" movement (because we had other glaring issues) it's a more important buff than you think

[frosty wedge]

@uneven mason the number of times I've had a healer get RUINED by a caster pack b/c they stand in a doorway when I'm LOSing is ridiculous.

[uneven mason]

Oh I get that its a sizeable buff, but my point was (its a 2RPS gain due to the removal of opportunity cost), but the buff is more or less that it makes the spec more idiot proof, and not stronger

so if you were already playing prot properly you'd see no real improvement

[sand egret]

TFW some dps just leaves your key because you happen to take a diff route than they’d like....(still did it as 4 and was a min off from doing it in time so not really a speed issue)

this is why I dont like playing as horde

This was like a + 4 ML i was doin on my bear alt for the weekly chest

[frosty wedge]

:/

people are the worst

I had someone leave and kill my 9 key last week in tol dagor b/c THEY caused a wipe

[thorny pumice]

Someone did that to my underrot last night. Good dps, tank was a good bdk and the healer left bc she couldnt handle bursting above 1 stack or quaking

[frosty wedge]

this was a DPS that got upheaval and sprinted away... into that pat

[thorny pumice]

le sigh

[frosty wedge]

so i ended up only getting like an 8 done this week

got 11s done on my monk and BDK though

[thorny pumice]

Thankfully I reunited with a group of old friends by chance so I've got a solid group to do Ms with but the pug life is not fun

[frosty wedge]

yeah same here

but they're not AS into it as I am, so i'd like to push higher keys

[dusk locust]

once in a while i'll try to push an alt's 8 or 9 in a pug and gain greater appreciation for how hard that is to do without guild mates

[frosty wedge]

lol

[primal crypt]

Pugs lol

They don't even let prot warriors in

I don't know how many whisper screenshots we've seen in here with "lolprot"

[undone veldt]

Hi all, switching to prot warrior from BDK (long story, warrior is my baby). Quick question:

I checked the pins and war seems to be in a diff situation where spec specific Azerite traits aren't crap. DC is mandatory but do the others provide enough survivability increase to constitute not taking the DPS gains from stuff like Overwhelming Power?

Trinkets: I've got Fathoms/Doom's Fury, is the raw strength from ilvl worth rocking DF or should i be lookin at getting a blockades?

[uneven mason]

You need to take the survival traits

[primal crypt]

^

And blockades is really nice

Super noce

Nice.

[undone veldt]

gotcha. thanks guys, much appreciated!

[primal crypt]

Good luck!

[uneven mason]

Blockades is considerably over budget after it was buffed (twice)

all in all tho, super hihg ilvl str trinkets will win out.

[sand egret]

@primal crypt funny enough, I exclusively pug and never seen that on my war. I tank one time on my druid and I get back2back leavers haha

[wild bolt]

So my weekly quest Heroic Uldir chest from over the weekend (4 Mythic D's) crit its face off and I wound up with a 385 Disc. I understand the PPM on it is fairly low, and it's not a tremendous amt of dmg on proc to begin with, especially when split among multiple targets, but its competition for my Trinket 2 slot is a 370 Doom's Fury or a 370 Briny Barnacle. Should I go disc b/c of ilvl regardless of proc?

[primal crypt]

@sand egret lul druid

I think I grouped with a druid before

Not sure if it went well, can't remember

[sand egret]

Its really not that bad, tbh

[wild bolt]

Yeah I'd agree. It's a little on the slow side after Prot War but if you take Pulverize that does add a little compexity to the rotation & debuff juggling and what not. it's not super exciting (imo) but it's far from useless.

[sand egret]

I don't even use Pulv, tbh. I like how it plays a bit more streamlined than Prot. It's simpler but I do appreciate having a brez, self-heals, etc. In some cases, Soothe makes ya feel good to use

[wild bolt]

I think my favorite button in the Bear toolkit is Stamp. Roar. Gonna be even better in 8.1. Soothe is super rewarding though, yes.

[sand egret]

oh group speed is fun, definitely doesn't beat Leap tho haha.

[wild bolt]

/flex

Talk about satisfying buttons...jesus.

[sand egret]

yup and the animation change + sfx work on Charge/Intervene

those peeps need a raise

[strong parcel]

anyone got a +9 instead of a 10 key after finishing an 11 last week?

[sand egret]

oh man is this week free for keys

[wild bolt]

I fell in love with the class when I hit level 6 back in TBC and Charged for the very 1st time (the target was a Gnoll at one of those little Gnoll camps South of Bloodhoof Village in Mulgore.) Never thought Warrior would get an ability that more badass than Charge. Then I threw myself into the air for about half a mile with my weapon and shield slamming down in a thunderous overhead smash. Unreal.

Haven't checked my chest yet, @strong parcel . You did though I take it?

[strong parcel]

yes i did.

[wild bolt]

Ugh that sucks..

[strong parcel]

i did an 11 on 3 toons last week, only got a +9 on 2 toons and a +10 on my main

[sand egret]

did you chest all of them?

maybe it's some weirdness based on that?

[strong parcel]

well, i did chest the 11.

on my main

but not on my alts

hmmm that makes sense i guess

[wild bolt]

I'll get a 9 either way, only did a 10 last week, so I'm afraid my results aren't going to be much evidence of anything.

[strong parcel]

but is that a thing tho

[sand egret]

honestly, i didn't think so but at least from your example it matches up

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive mauve]

Its a bug

Been around for a few resets

[light oasis]

Did you delete your key?

[wintry ermine]

fetid mythic, I'm maintanking with a BDK as offtank, any tips?

[light oasis]

I’ve seen that affect it

[restive mauve]

Nah

You can get -2 without deleting too

Friend of mine asked a gm

He said it was a bug

That they havent fixed yet

There was a lot of posts in the forums about this a while ago

[wintry ermine]

both times we've been close to a kill I've died when the boss is at 1-5% and I'm out of shield blocks/shieldwall/last stand/shout

just external use to make it?

[lusty grotto]

are you shield blocking when he vomits?

because you shouldn't

[uneven mason]

Uh you should be externalling anyway

like, thats why they're a thing

But you should never NOT have a SB available while being melee'd on Fetid

[lusty grotto]

i mean you have plenty of situations in fetid where you can let SB refresh

[uneven mason]

He takes enough brakes that if you're out of SB/LS uptime, you're not using it efficiently

[lusty grotto]

☝

not getting meleed -> don't block

[uneven mason]

He barfs and stomps enough that you fill your 4 second gaps no problem

[lusty grotto]

unless if you wanna pump your ST dmg for whatever reason lol

yup

[uneven mason]

pumping ST damage as a prot warrior 🤢

DEVASTATOR

[lusty grotto]

yeah

UGH

wtb legion devastator back

[signal plover]

Also u can use shit like barrier/slt on tanks at the end

There's no raid stacking at any point

[uneven mason]

yeah

healers should be doing that sub 50 % anyway

There is enough raid damage going out to choke a donkey with the DOTs

But you can't stack

so they should be just using those CDs on the tanks (Since yo udon't move)

let me tell ya tho

BDK co tank

SLT is a good way to die

since they'll chunk down to 10%

from Thrash

[wintry ermine]

I'm keeping up shieldblock only for times when he's hitting

[uneven mason]

you must have -10% haste than

I'd say just review yoru logs, look for windows where SB Was up, but you didn't get melee'd and just smooth them out

like using it 2 seconds ahead of time is 1.5seconds early

[wintry ermine]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/tarren-mill/Mauk

[uneven mason]

until 8.1 we gotta shave that SB uptime

[wintry ermine]

14% haste

[uneven mason]

thats rough

I'm at 35%

[signal plover]

Without ITF?

[uneven mason]

after ITF

so I guess you're not far behind

I mean I Can put my 355 flask on and be at like 24% base

[signal plover]

14% isn't great but it's ok

Just use externals

Health pots are separate from healthstones too

[wintry ermine]

not sure how to see time wasted with shield block, how would I see that?

but here's my death: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zLkBG8mY6bNX3Apg/#fight=72&type=deaths&death=2

[wintry ermine]

I had nothing up, like I said

[uneven mason]

10s since last shield block?

You probably had a SB charge

[wintry ermine]

you know that you can stack them up

[uneven mason]

unless you hit them back to back

and overlapped

which is bad practice 😄

You took a Bres

and immediately got thrashed

with no SB

Mind you

fight was over by then

[zealous mirage]

https://wowanalyzer.com usually shows those kind of things

[dapper sky]

Are you taking the thrash?

[zealous mirage]

IDK if the prot warrior is being maintained

[wintry ermine]

yeah I took a Bres and got gibbed immediatly, not even close to the problem but whatever

@dapper sky no

[dapper sky]

I always just compare my % blocked melee vs % unblocked to other warriors who killed the fight. Gives you a good idea where you stand

[wintry ermine]

that makes sense!

[dapper sky]

Obviously you can still block without shield block up but it's a fairly good metric

[uneven mason]

So digging deep into the death and such

you got RNGesus'd

you were 1s from having a SB available

and since you had been blocking for bout 20seconds straight

[hushed cobalt]

spam ran some m0's last night for a guildie, got the 340 Temple of SSSnakes DC shoulder. Chests gave me the same shoulders.

[uneven mason]

RNGesus decided that it was time to eat a max melee hit to the face @wintry ermine

Nothing wrong with your execution tbh

healers fell behind a bit

and you took a large hit

THen he stomped

that would've killed any tank

healers got lax for 8 seconds prior to your death

paladin started to catch up

and then the knockback happened

then you died 2 seconds later

Tell them you need a external before stomp

because thats just good business

Or at least that you need to be topped off before stomp

because they did get lazy

or rather, it looks lazy/other shit happened

[wintry ermine]

yeah I figured

thanks for looking again

[uneven mason]

But to answer your question, whatever externals/raid CDs that they have available should be used sub 50%, sequentially

Never having an Emergency > Saving them for an Emergency

[wintry ermine]

yeah we're going to plan out our externals for sub 50%

every stomp now

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

since you're stationary

they can barrier/SLT over the tanks

as long as your BDK pal isn't shit on his Death STrike heals 😄

Or, professional level cheese

have a BoP on the BDK

while SLT is down

you just siphon his HP off

and he heals back up

[wintry ermine]

we don't have any shaman healers 😢

[uneven mason]

How the fuck did you beat mother?

😄 kidding

[wintry ermine]

barrier and paladin sacrifice

[uneven mason]

but SLT is just godmode for that

[wintry ermine]

and a million tranqs

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

but yeah you're over 75% mitigation

so Its doubtful that an error on your part is causing the wipes

You could put a monk in the same spot and they'd still die

[wintry ermine]

yeah, we needed 442k more damage 😦

[uneven mason]

I hate those wipes

[wild bolt]

Oooooof, yeah that stings

[sick sentinel]

what to replace?

[uneven mason]

0.6% wipe - 18 more pulls because folks decided to start licking windows

replace the Dread Glad

[sand egret]

im biased

[uneven mason]

unless you're over 20% haste

[sand egret]

take all the haste

[uneven mason]

in which case it could be a wash

20% (without ITF)

but yeah replace the GLadiators

[sand egret]

i prefer to err on more haste as sometimes ITF can be somewhat inconsistent depending on the group. That is a me-thing tho

[wild bolt]

I agree...but I also just want to say that I like your equipment set names. I saw "Fury Outside" and immediately thought "Noo...Fury comes from WITHIN!"

[uneven mason]

hahaha

[sick sentinel]

with no itf I am like 14% haste :/

[uneven mason]

I'm Fury warrior outside the game

protection in

[wild bolt]

^^ Amen.

[uneven mason]

yeah stack that haste

[sand egret]

oh yeah get that haste my dude

(or lady)

[uneven mason]

I finally feel "comfortable" at 19%~ no ITF

gonna feel like fucking greased lightning come 8.1

IP off GCD, charge off GCD

[sand egret]

honestly i live in the rogue gcd land so anything close to that is better

[uneven mason]

11% faster SB

well during Hero/Lust and REzan proc I'm like 0.75s GCD land

ALL THE IPS

ALL THE TIME

[sand egret]

i'm just happy to avoid that awful moment that comes about when you just gotta buttclench for like 3-4 seconds

[uneven mason]

yeah

[sand egret]

it's the worst feeling

[uneven mason]

these buffs are going ot be nice for making that window reals small

I have this internal monologue

that goes off

when I fuck up and don't have the right abilitys ready for Combo on Zek

like "Huh, I have a gap, what should I do"

and my raidleader voice answers me "WHAT SORT OF FLIPPERHANDED MONKEY ARE YOU THAT YOU HAVE A GAP NOW?"

[sand egret]

haha that part of Prot has basically become the iconic moment for me

[plain ice]

i did a +10 last night on my 324 ilvl blood dk that i just leveled to 120. only missed the timer by 3 min

[uneven mason]

Rest in peace flipperhanded monkey play Prepatch - 8.1

[sand egret]

"Uh oh....I flubbed a SB charge..."

"This is going to hurt in about 30 seconds"

[plain ice]

i needed to see what the hype is all about for myself

[sand egret]

jesus.

[uneven mason]

Did you enjoy bonestorming your way to a win

[sand egret]

how did things not just 1 shot you

[plain ice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

bosses were a joke

[sand egret]

esp on Fort

[uneven mason]

Because its not that hard

[sand egret]

i guess you can just DnD kite

[uneven mason]

I did my first +10 as prot at 337

probably could do it earlier

its about smart play

[sand egret]

i'm assuming you didn't just bomb it

[uneven mason]

not about overpowering your shit

BDK just bring a bettle kit

[unique flame]

knmbnhrhryrrrrrrryrurrrrrrr

[plain ice]

nah, wasn't bombing it

[uneven mason]

better~

[plain ice]

but still was interesting to me

[sand egret]

ok yeah that's still dope

[uneven mason]

yeah Like with the right group

[plain ice]

it was like my 3rd dungeon my BDK

[uneven mason]

you can do some high keys in stupidly low ilvls

[plain ice]

and i'm definitely playing it like shit

[sand egret]

but i had this image of you like mass pulling

[plain ice]

nono

[uneven mason]

you could 😛

as long as you kep the infested single

[plain ice]

definitely not as fun for me as warrior is though

[uneven mason]

I think I'ma try and push keys as an all tank group

[plain ice]

not having a charge/leap after playing prot for 10 years is a lot to get used to

[uneven mason]

Take my guilds BDK, Guardian Druid, Prot pal, me (Prot war) and VDH

see how high we can push

[sand egret]

only if everyone gets their own personal mob to tank 😃

[fickle kiln]

hmm got chest piece 385. Blood Rite or bloodsport

712 haste for 15 sec or 4785 on IP with 36 leech

[west kayak]

Blood Rite. Procs constantly.

[lusty grotto]

bloodsport is better defesively

its in the guide and

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor

[sand egret]

#TeamBloodsport

[lusty grotto]

@fickle kiln

[uneven mason]

Bloodsport going to get a leg up in 8.1

with that free flowing IP

[lusty grotto]

yea

not really sure why people would go blood rite

probably the legion-minded stack haste mentality

[sand egret]

well tbh the trait itself is deceptive

(bloodsport)

[lusty grotto]

and of course there's nothing wrong with stacking haste... just don't do it if you are sacrificing ilvl or stronger traits, etc

[sand egret]

the shield value you get is larger than what the tooltip says with it, due to how IP works

[uneven mason]

^

[sand egret]

(also why pairing with a disc priest is aweesome)

[uneven mason]

Bloodsport is why I can take 4 stacks

on Zul

[sand egret]

the fact that shields act as surrogate health is amazing with IP

[lusty grotto]

ye

[uneven mason]

90k ticks nah, 40k ticks

[neat harbor]

I mean a geared prot with archive+DC can push like 50k DPS burst on certain packs.

no other tank can reach that kind of damage

[uneven mason]

k

[lusty grotto]

uh

[uneven mason]

where'd that come from

[lusty grotto]

i dont know

[uneven mason]

(He's on mobile)

[lusty grotto]

how do you know!

[sand egret]

ah fuck it

[neat harbor]

so part of me thinks with a certain comp maybe prot warrior groups could score an amazing time for some dungeons

[uneven mason]

Because his window didn't autoscroll

[sand egret]

hit em with the 👢 🍵 👏

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

[uneven mason]

so he just replied to something from like 8 hours ago

[lusty grotto]

you'd think he would realize it when he doesn't see his text

[robust bronze]

i tested the tanking dummy yesterday and having 1 vs 2 azrite veins. got to 27 stacks with one and 37 stacks with two, is it worth to stack them for more sustain?

[sand egret]

if you can

[ember crest]

so im confused are you saying the tooltip is misleading because IP is only absorbing 50%?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[sand egret]

that shit is dope

esp on warriors who don't have any self-healing

[lusty grotto]

max absorb amount @ember crest

[uneven mason]

Bloodsport is a seperate buff Bago

it increases the max absorb

[lusty grotto]

IP always reduces damage by 50%

[ember crest]

ive been using laser matrix just because i thought it was more worthwhile a the expense of personal survival, didnt know it was a separate buff

[uneven mason]

• to its max absorb

[lusty grotto]

UGH Laser matrix

wait did they fix it yet?

[uneven mason]

So to explain Bago Bloodsport increases the asborbed amoount of IP, not the IP volume

[lusty grotto]

or still pulling mobs from africa?

[uneven mason]

New Zealand

[ember crest]

it doesnt pull extra stuff

[lusty grotto]

oof

[uneven mason]

It does

[lusty grotto]

yes it does

[uneven mason]

just do Freehold

[ember crest]

at least it hasnt for me

[uneven mason]

and have it zap shit through the wall at the start

[sand egret]

haha nerds are your raid gear 😃

[uneven mason]

while fighting the boss

[sand egret]

aint no lazers up in here

[lusty grotto]

hey you can get laser piece in the weekly chests

[sand egret]

just good ol' fashioned angry stomps

[ember crest]

in my experience it will zap stuff not pulled but wont pull the pack

[sand egret]

shshhshshs

[ember crest]

LM also heals your party which is nice

[lusty grotto]

i will test laser when i get home

[ember crest]

and if i want to swap to PVP i dont have to change gear 😄

[lusty grotto]

but yeah LM is bad defensively

[ember crest]

of course, im not arguing its for survival

damage + small group support

[dapper sky]

Question. On fetid sometimes he does the knockback right as the blobs spawn and sometimes he does it like 6 seconds before. Is there a way to make this consistently one way or the other?

[lusty grotto]

tank near a wall

[dapper sky]

We were and it was still off sometimes.

[lusty grotto]

if people dont know how to position themselves, then i could see how it would be a problem

but no there's no way to delay it iirc

[sand egret]

Scared Shitless: Your Rallying Cry now whips all party or raid members within 40 yards into order, preventing knockback effects for its duration.

[ember crest]

lol

[sand egret]

sorry, had to.

[lusty grotto]

😢

[steel mauve]

All bosses have a priority order, dbm doesnt track the ability, it tracks the cooldown of the ability, just because the ability comes off cd doesnt mean the boss is going to use it immediately, he will just use an ability first that has a higher priority

And most abilities have differing cds that will change his ability usage order later in the fight

[dapper sky]

Yeah okay. I know on other bosses if you pull from distance instead of letting him melee the entire time you're positioning it you could force certain timings. Was just curious if there was any trick like that

Not necessarily bosses this tier, just in the past

[uneven mason]

Then there was argus, who would wait for you to use NF before deciding to cast ANYTHING BUT SCYTH

🖕

[sand egret]

lol wtb a boss that tracks player cooldowns and will punish you if it sees the raid has none left

man I'm on a streak today

[runic tangle]

Haste, strength, or stamina food? I'm panda if that makes a diff

[ember crest]

well, what's our best stat?

@runic tangle

[lusty grotto]

icy-veins.com

[runic tangle]

Ilvl, but I'm not sure if that is about the strength or armor?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gems-enchants-consumables

[tropic star]

does bloodspotrt increate teh 1.3x max IP limit as welll or does it only increase the amount you get per cast?

[lusty grotto]

here you go

it's a flat amount McJiggles

past the 1.3 max

so it's per cast

since its additive

it won't increase 1.5x if that's what you're asking

or something like that

[tropic star]

sorry not following. For example. My IP is 10k per cast. My cap is 13k. I get blood sport that adds 2k to my IPs. Per cast i now get 12k per cast. Is my cap still 13k, or is it now 15.6k

[uneven mason]

BLoodsport is its own buff

[lusty grotto]

oh wait

yea mac is right

[tropic star]

or you are saying its its own buff. Does that mean my cap is 13 + 2k BS buff?

[lusty grotto]

it doesn't matter what your IP is

any IP you cast

will give you bloodsport

it's additional to what your IP is

consider it a quick double shield

like PW:shield

[tropic star]

and is BS, 100% absobb then or 50%

[lusty grotto]

hmm no

hang on

[tropic star]

and i assume it doesnt stack with itself. It would refresh on 2nd cast

[runic tangle]

Do you all try and force a big pull to try and use shield wall on CD in m+, or just save it for oshit moments?

[uneven mason]

"yes"

Depends on the dungeon

[tropic star]

i mean, if i sw up and i have the option of pulling bigger i will

[uneven mason]

and affixes

@tropic star the simplist answer to your question is your new cap is 1.3xIP + single BS cast

it does not directly affect your cap

beyond being additive to it

that being said, cast to cast, its a massive boost to IPs volume

[lusty grotto]

i kinda got confused

for some reason i thought it was absorbing after the 50% reduc

[uneven mason]

BS itself is not split in 50%

[lusty grotto]

yeah

fucking brain farted the past 50 lines

[uneven mason]

To put it simply Bloodsport is really powerful in fights where you can't block the damage, If I Could stack 3 of them for Zul I would be

because that dot ticks so hard that it fully consumes IP

eveyr cast

[tropic star]

yeah

[uneven mason]

so having a 15%~ buff to its cast

would be amazing

Because you take the majority of your damage while not being actively melee'd

[tropic star]

heroic zul already trucks me at 3-4 stacks. starting mythic zul this week and not looking forward to it

[uneven mason]

ITs funny I tried todo 3 stacks and we kept wiping, I started taking 4 again and we killed him that pull

but yeah its horrifying

[tropic star]

as soo as i leap out if that bop isnt on point i dies so fast

[uneven mason]

We're only looking at like 30seconds worth of taking that bleed

and it trumps 100% of his melee, and Crusher melee

for the rest of the fight lik

[tropic star]

that mythic?

[uneven mason]

Nah HC

Mythic

will be a larger discrepency

but I'm not there yet 😄

I was benched for a while because "prot is bad" after a few weeks they realized that they had 99 problems but me tanking wasn't one of them.

[fickle kiln]

I lose my reorigination array if I equip my new piece :<

[uneven mason]

So dont?

unless you'er outside Uldir

[fickle kiln]

could swap my helm but then id lose DC

so rip

[signal rune]

so play deva en screw DC

[fickle kiln]

I have laser matrix

titan on helm would be better

[lusty grotto]

you don't lose RA

if you swap pieces

[steel mauve]

@runic tangle haste personal food, but feast will win, str over stam

[lusty grotto]

i swapped from Mother helm to chest

[fickle kiln]

current config> helm 385 DC, Shoulders 385 BFI, Chest 375 Laser

[lusty grotto]

still have the same RA stacks

[fickle kiln]

if I equip my new 385 chest I lose uldir piece

[lusty grotto]

so no you don't lose Array

oh

[fickle kiln]

helm and shoulders are from Mythics chest

[lusty grotto]

ok i see

well remember Array only works in Uldir anyway

[fickle kiln]

yeh

[lusty grotto]

so you can just replace it for M+

until you get DC shoulders and put in Mother helm

[primal crypt]

380 gore crust

Oh my

I feel special

[sick sentinel]

I got another 385 helm but at least it's the UR one and I can replace my old helm with reinforced wetshit with that

[sand egret]

im just looking forward to getting another belt

i really need that 4th one

[sick sentinel]

Now I just need a zanda chest piece azerite so I can use my 385 shoulders

[digital arrow]

bladesong trying to look like lulu from ffx

the lulu glam

[sand egret]

the dream look, really

[daring cedar]

@sand egret I really feel you. I do not understand the system.

[sand egret]

but only if they're the SAME belt. I don't want to look like some hodgepodged pleb

[daring cedar]

I got 3 of the same themed shoulders in a row.

I am running high keys on both my chars. I see people who are 380+ with much less experience / achievements than I. RNG has gotten really bad.

Tbh

[sand egret]

it's just an RNG based system and for large timegated things, you need to have protections (which they've already addressed they know is an issue)

while statistically pretty low chance, when it does happen, the effect is definitely bad enough to justify it even if its a small chance

[daring cedar]

Indeed

I am pretty sick of looking at 384 mages who have done +6 Tol Dagor 😄 😄

As their best whilst I am sitting at 373 for weeks and doing +12

[sand egret]

well it's not like gear is exactly holding you back then

[ivory barn]

dat loot roll out of the cache though

[lusty grotto]

guys did you know Shift + Windows Key + S is a thing

then you paste here

[signal rune]

you use the button '2' for your trinket?

the pvp talent?

which you shouldnt pick in the first place?

[lusty grotto]

easy

(you need windows 10)

[lusty grotto]

👏

[signal rune]

mfw

[sour iron]

i know bursting was last week - but how do you deal with the large tiny creature packs like in shrine with all of the bursting activity?

[lusty grotto]

hey whatever works for him :p

[sour iron]

my group got messed up 😛

[signal rune]

The pala tier mog gave it away.

[lusty grotto]

you can take 5x bursting

if your healer can't heal 5x bursting... something's wrong

have your group use cds and/or use rallying to help out if they're low to begin with

[sour iron]

well the pack of little neutral creatures you have to clear prior to whichever boss that is there are like 15 of them - do you just single target a few at a time?

[lusty grotto]

shrine is just a nightmare to begin with

but yeah if you can delay kills then do it

usually neutrals don't trigger bursting though

i didn't run shrine last week so can't say

[sour iron]

thanks - yeah we didn't expect them to either - i just ran in and started thunderclapping and all of a sudden everyone was dead lol

[lusty grotto]

i suppose you mean the mobs before Tidesage council?

hmm

[sour iron]

agu'sirr

or whatever

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's weird

[sour iron]

the one who splits to 3 and back

[lusty grotto]

neutrals in tol dagor definately didn't trigger bursting

pretty sure

[sour iron]

the tentacles didn't in shrine - but the little droplets did - oh well - glad to be away from that affix )

[ember crest]

droplets do bursting

[oblique garnet]

Shrine droplets do trigger it

[lusty grotto]

figures

[sour iron]

my group and i are mostly mongoloids anyway

[lusty grotto]

another reason not to do shrine

[oblique garnet]

It wasnt that bad

I just had some unfortnate dps who just chose to not delay killing any mobs

[lusty grotto]

sounds like every group i'm in lol

[sour iron]

yep same

[lusty grotto]

i just rally every time

[sour iron]

i was even on voice telling them to let me clear some of the tiny trash at an even pace and they all just go all-out destruction lol

i get it though - i get the same itch when i play arms - hard to hold back the warbreaker/bladestorm

[next ermine]

we had no problem with bursting in shrine 10+

even with killing droplets all at once

tell your healers to get gud lol

[sour iron]

i can tell them, but i'm not confident they will listen!

[lusty grotto]

honestly wtb that legion food back

fighter chow?

i forget the name

[sand egret]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

bring back fighter chow and bear tartare

😄

[sand egret]

yeah for the droplets it's either attempt to split em, pray your dps doesn't go full on derp, or pray for your healer

if you have a druid, pay em a 1 copper to Typhoon right in the middle of the derp AoE storm. Just totally mess up their shit to get some stagger 😃

[daring marlin]

My stats are whack atm

My crit and mastery are the highest around 900

[uneven mason]

well

[daring marlin]

Hope taloc isn’t a bitch this week

[uneven mason]

at least you'll be level parry

[daring marlin]

lol

In uldir I have like 34% crit with my vectis trinket up

[uneven mason]

So I've determined

that if my guild ever forces me to go BDK

[daring marlin]

oh lawd

[uneven mason]

I'm going to mass grip the bloods on Taloc

into the raid

[daring marlin]

If that happens in 8.1 I’d kms

[ember crest]

you wont because you are a thundergod?

[uneven mason]

at least 5 times

on the elevator

right over a beam

[daring marlin]

LOL

[next ermine]

make sure you run to the edge first

in the middle of the ranged

[lavish oracle]

Do we know which of our abilities qualify as "melee"? Specifically revenge or thunderclap? I assume revenge does and thunderclap doesn't?

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[next ermine]

well, what do you hit with your sword

cough

[lusty grotto]

bootyclap is an aoe thundermash with your booty clearly

[lavish oracle]

I'm wondering specifically for the Siege of Zul'dazar trinket that gives a fairly decent slow on melee abilities

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[daring marlin]

lol

[uneven mason]

Doesn't work vs bosses

RIP

[lusty grotto]

trash trinket is trash

[next ermine]

actually i havent even looked at siege gear

did it all get released?

besides tmog

[lavish oracle]

@lusty grotto I just want to be able to kite on necrotic weeks, is that too much to ask 😛

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[next ermine]

shockwave and leap awaaaaaay

[lusty grotto]

you raise a good point

[lavish oracle]

Without bringing a frost mage to every run

[lusty grotto]

might be worth for that affix

[ember crest]

did 7 TD 12-14~ last week, never seen the trinket drop, convinced its a myth

[lusty grotto]

but it's still a "trash" trinket

get it?

fuck i'm good

guys?

[lavish oracle]

crickets

[lusty grotto]

cause it works on trash

[lavish oracle]

I get it

[lusty grotto]

ok i'll see myself out

🚪

[ember crest]

turn in your thunderclap and badge before you go

[lusty grotto]

my bootyclap stays with me, over my dead body!

👢 🍵 👏

[signal plover]

Nim when's the last time u close the protocol warr discord tab bb

Get some fresh air boio

[lusty grotto]

i'm running a stupid update process that takes 15 mins each time

@ work lol

i get bored 😦

can't wait to up my net and remote desktop play between tests and compilations lol

me sad 5mb/s upload can't take it 😦

[signal plover]

Get dat 20 breh

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[signal plover]

US internet life lel

[lusty grotto]

im getting 150up/20down soon

just need to wait on this month's bill

wish i was in a FIOS area though 😦 150/150

or google

[ember crest]

took me 2 years searching for a new home to get 1k/1k

its rough

[lusty grotto]

yeesh

im east coast though

[oblique garnet]

1k/100 for 25€/month 8)

[lusty grotto]

😢

need me that google fibers

[steel mauve]

5 down, .5 up, $45 a month

Welcome to the boonies

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ

that's kind of a ripoff

[steel mauve]

All i can get out in the country, im like 15 minutes from a town of 16k pop lol

[lusty grotto]

is that cable?

[steel mauve]

Dsl

[lusty grotto]

hmm

what about cell coverage? might just be better to put a hotspot?

[steel mauve]

I had to byild a 50 foot tower off my house and clear a 20 foot wise hole in a tree line by cutting down half a dozen trees in our creek lol

[sand egret]

yeesh

[lusty grotto]

holy shit

[steel mauve]

Cell reception sucks out there too, i can raid on it which i use as a back up when my net goes out but still not reliable

[sand egret]

and here I am grumbling that Comcast sucks

[sick sentinel]

Well first run M+ went smooth

[lusty grotto]

this weeks affixes are easy

good affixes to push keys

[sick sentinel]

+12 2 chest on AD with only 2 deaths and we didn't even use Lust on last

[sand egret]

i'm stoked for em, I can be like Oprah on my Bear. YOU GET A SOOTHE. YOU GET A SOOTHE!

[lusty grotto]

i'm gonna push 10s on my hpal

[sand egret]

EVERYONE GETTIN A SOOTHE

[lusty grotto]

need dat gear

[sick sentinel]

Not saying much since it's AD

[lusty grotto]

ran 7s with it fresh 120 last week lol

[sick sentinel]

But yeah this is a great week to push

[uneven mason]

^^

[lusty grotto]

330ish ilvl, got a few upgrades

[sick sentinel]

Having all Hunter/druids is the dreamteam

[uneven mason]

ding 120, drop 50k on the AH to get a leg up to 310, start hitting keys, break 345 by the 24 hour mark

No Arathi

[lusty grotto]

nice

i cheated, i did arathi lOL

[sick sentinel]

Why not do arathi

Shits easy

[uneven mason]

Because I didn't have arathi

and the rares are more hassel

I'd rather do a +5 than farm rares in Arathi

[sick sentinel]

U aren't Alli?

[lusty grotto]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/arthas/Nimchipadin

[uneven mason]

was leveling my horde

😉

[lusty grotto]

im 345 too

[sick sentinel]

Ah ok

[uneven mason]

about todo it agian on the monk

[sick sentinel]

Also

[lusty grotto]

i'm game to heal any hordies here

[sick sentinel]

HOLY SHIT IS THE DIFFERENCE NIGHT AND AND DAY BETWEEN IF AND REINFORCED PLATING

Double IF💦

Need that rezan chest piece and I'll have the dream set up

[lusty grotto]

wait till you get BFI

😉

[sick sentinel]

I hate BFI

[lusty grotto]

👊

[sick sentinel]

It's so underwhelming

[lusty grotto]

it's hella good

[sand egret]

you're underwhelming

[sick sentinel]

Ish

[sand egret]

👢 🍵 👏 'd

[sick sentinel]

I find brace to be far weaker because it needs 2 stacks to be better

[lusty grotto]

eh

[sick sentinel]

I can auto damage but just blocking

[lusty grotto]

it's 33 block lower.....

[sick sentinel]

It's literally my best trait because it's a reflection of me

Lazy blocking

[lusty grotto]

why would you need 2 stacks

[sick sentinel]

Because 1 stack of brace is lower bv

Then if

[lusty grotto]

brace keeps stacking though

[sick sentinel]

But it gets better with 2

[lusty grotto]

with just 1 trait

[sick sentinel]

Oh for sure I won't say its bad

Because it's not

Just for me underwhelming

[daring marlin]

INR just prefers IF

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

shrug i mean

[sick sentinel]

Because I'm lazy

It's literally the lazy block

[lusty grotto]

youre obviously not ignoring shield slam

[sick sentinel]

I need to ignore ss more

[lusty grotto]

but with SS resets, you get multiple BFI

[sick sentinel]

Ss keeps calling me

[lusty grotto]

so that's why it's stronger

[sick sentinel]

And keeps asking me where I was last night, asking if I want to stack it's brace

[daring marlin]

Just another reason IP off the GCD is amazing

for dem SS procs

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I think brace will get more benefit from a lot of our moves being off gcd

No longer have to chose between intercepting someone or SS then charge

Now I can do both and look fucking weird animation wise

[signal plover]

All that will make our opener feel less clunky too

[neon tangle]

Is demo shout staying on the GCD?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

iirc, haven't checked PTR though

[neon tangle]

still gonna feel a bit clunky then imho

most of the clunkiness comes from wanting to have demo up before you start bootyclappin'

[sand egret]

but at that point it wont really matter

[sick sentinel]

Offensive abilities aren't coming off gcd

[daring marlin]

I’m gonna roll triple BFI in the patch with devastator for bosses

[sand egret]

since you can only max clap it

[daring marlin]

gonna be a good meme

[neon tangle]

@daring marlin devastator will be weird next patch

so many open GCDs

[daring marlin]

pretty much

[lusty grotto]

and still bad

[sand egret]

I like BFI over IF as it adheres closest to my warrior mantra: "All I wanna do is a zoom zoom zoom and a poom poom". It falls under the "poom poom" category.

[sick sentinel]

Ok Mr west indies

[daring marlin]

BV is nice for the rage, sure. But DC makes it mandatory right now. That extension of 15% bonus damage is absurd.

[sick sentinel]

yikes

[daring marlin]

Especially in AoE.

[lusty grotto]

you forget the free rage

[neon tangle]

devastator next patch will be good for watching netflix while you raid

[daring marlin]

bahahaha

[lusty grotto]

which devastator never gives you

[daring marlin]

I forgot the free rage?

The literal first thing I mentioned?

lol

[lusty grotto]

fair enough

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I think in raids Dev might be useful over bv

[lusty grotto]

nah

AM bros

did you forget about AM?

[daring marlin]

Nope

[sick sentinel]

But bv won't lose value in m+

[lusty grotto]

what is needed to trigger AM

rage right?

[daring marlin]

Because you’re still getting the free devastates that will net you more SS

[lusty grotto]

not only that but demo shout cd is reduced by AM

[daring marlin]

Which means good rage gen over a fight anyway

[neon tangle]

I mean, BV will gives you another IP every 45s, and pressing devastate yourself will only get more valuable since we will have more free GCDs to fit it in to

if devastator was bad w/ IP on the GCD, it's only gonna get worse

[lusty grotto]

🤷

afk tanking for sure

[neon tangle]

rather, less than 45s, cause anger managment

[sick sentinel]

We will see

[lusty grotto]

boils down to RPM

[sick sentinel]

For all we know callious whatever the fuck might somehow end in the top for whatever reason

[neon tangle]

I'd roll w/ CR if I went for a vengeance build

[daring marlin]

bfi for life

Especially now tgat ranged can be blocked

[neon tangle]

I am gonna experiment w/ callous reprisal + vengeance in m+ for sure

[daring marlin]

in 8.1

4.5% reduced damage seems nice too

[sick sentinel]

I still cant believe we got a movie name for a move and it's dogshit

[daring marlin]

Assuming 3 of em

[sick sentinel]

Well "dogshit" that it's not th best of all our traits

Aside from that, I got a+11 ML

Now I can make my dream team

Druid/lock/hunter

[daring patrol]

same ring 4 weeks in a row now from my mythic cache

gg

[daring marlin]

welp lol

[next goblet]

could i use a ghuun trinket if i wasn't worried about survivability? i'd use it over blockades

[neon tangle]

If you have one I'd prolly use something with a crit proc, etc

[next goblet]

my other trinket is the arathi world boss one with a socket

[daring marlin]

idk man everything I’ve seen is the tentacle doesn’t do much

[lusty grotto]

Arathi world boss trinket is better for dps

Tentacle is crap

[daring marlin]

He was comparing to blockades

not the arathi

[next goblet]

i also have a couple pvp ones

[lusty grotto]

Gotcha

[daring marlin]

Now the real question

[lusty grotto]

For defensiveness? Stay with blockades

[daring marlin]

are you boys ready to weave again in 8.1 with the DC nerf!?

[next goblet]

@lusty grotto im talking when im not going for defensive

[lusty grotto]

Which pvp ones @next goblet

[next goblet]

375 medallion with leech proc (gives vers on use) and a 360 emblem which gives 25463 hp on use

[lusty grotto]

Medallion seems good

You're not worried about surv after all

So the hp doesn't matter

[next goblet]

blockades doesn't do too much for me

i mean its helped

[lusty grotto]

It does more defensive wise than you would think

[next goblet]

but i feel like theres better

[daring marlin]

Blockades does a whole lot more than you think

lol

[hushed cobalt]

anyone use Azerite globules trait for m+? i can have 2 of them

[daring marlin]

The passive stam is what’s up

[next goblet]

ah ok

[neon tangle]

blockades is kinda broken, it's passive stam + passive str

[lusty grotto]

Only on arms @hushed cobalt

[neon tangle]

Plus a lil' bit of healing which doesn't hurt

[hushed cobalt]

ah, was thinking on fort weeks it would do a substantial amount

[next goblet]

lul i forgot i had a haste/vers and haste/mast ring in my bags i was using a crit/mast and a haste/crit ring

finally up to 370

🎂

[neon tangle]

I think my warrior is 372, but my DK is catching up fast

[lusty grotto]

I mean if you're not hurting defensive wise sure @hushed cobalt

[neon tangle]

and then the poor guy is gonna get retired

[next goblet]

i cant wait for the 8.1 changes, its a step in the right direction

[hushed cobalt]

the others would be Shimmer Haven or Elemental Whirl; and Blood Siphon or Crystal Caraspace
i feel like if i do decent surviability wise

[daring marlin]

For sure. Having options talent wise will be interesting.

[neon tangle]

They did a good job on a few classes giving good options for talents

[next goblet]

we're gonna have options?

[neon tangle]

lol, not us

[next goblet]

dammit

[daring marlin]

Vengeance will be a good alternative to bv in 8.1.

[neon tangle]

BDK have a few tiers that you want to swap around fairly often

[next goblet]

i just wanna try out different talents and not get punished for it

to the point where im super squish

[neon tangle]

"not get punished for it" time to play a different class ❤

[next goblet]

lol no ill always play warrior

[daring marlin]

You’ll be tankier with vengeance next patch.

Get way more IPs.

[neon tangle]

I'm pretty in to vengeance for m+

prolly will keep BV for raids tho

[next goblet]

@neon tangle you use veng now in m+? or still BV?

[sick sentinel]

I hate vengeance

[neon tangle]

right now it's BV

[daring marlin]

bv now

8.1 vengeance is gonna be legit

[sick sentinel]

Its such a new player trap talent

[neon tangle]

in 8.1 vengeance could be an interesting option

[daring marlin]

DC is the only reason bv is busted right now

[sick sentinel]

Well also, it's bv

[next goblet]

and how are they nerfing DC?

[sick sentinel]

It has a cap

[neon tangle]

Caps to a 6s extension

[daring marlin]

Vengeance was the go to in legion and that was before bv got kneecapped

[hushed cobalt]

IP + Revenge macro?

[daring marlin]

rofl

[sick sentinel]

If I saw any prot tank with Veng, I knew I was for a shit

And I was never wrong

[silk moat]

Can prot tank Uldir heroic comfortably at 360ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[daring marlin]

yep

[silk moat]

Ty

[next goblet]

absolutely

[errant wing]

just shout out the healers for extra heals

[uneven mason]

How does DC affect the benefit provided by BV?

[sick sentinel]

If ur having trouble, make sure u are using ur own cds

[daring marlin]

I don’t see how you’d be in for a shit with the...best...talent

[sick sentinel]

It isn't the best

[daring marlin]

Extension of the DR and damage amp

[sick sentinel]

It's the one of the worst in it's row

[silk moat]

Can I do it without DC? My shoulder is 370 and has archive or a 340 with DC

[daring marlin]

I’m talking legion

[sick sentinel]

Same

[daring marlin]

Legion it was

[uneven mason]

Except

[daring marlin]

r u drunk?

[uneven mason]

BV is strong because of the rage it generates

[daring marlin]

nope

[uneven mason]

and was strong before they even finished balancing DC

[daring marlin]

You save more rage with vengeance

[lusty grotto]

BV is strong because of AM

[uneven mason]

in very Very rare circumstances

[sick sentinel]

The fuck u saving rage

[daring marlin]

Vengeance eclipses that

[hot locust]

You do not, Guilford.

[lusty grotto]

it's the reason we switched to it in Legion

[daring marlin]

13 on an IP and 10 on a revenge rage saved

lol

[sick sentinel]

Vengeance is so painful crap

[lusty grotto]

@silk moat DC is worth about 45 ilvls roughly

[uneven mason]

BV is strong because its a huge infusion of rage, veng in optimal circumstances FOR VENG is a 1.3RPS gain over BV but in nearly all other situations is a RPS loss.

[daring marlin]

You don’t like it

I get that

[hot locust]

We've already tested that plenty, though that was with IP on GCD.

[daring marlin]

I’m talking in 8.1.

It’ll be great

[sick sentinel]

It's still gonna be shit

[neon tangle]

@daring marlin FWIW saving rage doesn't really help when you're trying to feed anger managment

[hot locust]

BV was double Vengeance's RPS average.

I dont think that 8.1 doubles its value.

[sick sentinel]

U should never be saving rage

[neon tangle]

@hot locust tested in m+ or just raids?

[daring marlin]

It definitely does more with the GCDs saved not wasted on IP

It’s all speculation now

[uneven mason]

I'm indifferent to talents Guilford, you're spewing unsubstantiated claims that veng is more RPS, mind you with IP off the GCD it may change, but DC had NOTHING to do with BVs value

[sick sentinel]

It was shit trash in legion, and a trap for rookies and still is now

[uneven mason]

BV value is because it exponentially is propped up with AM

[daring marlin]

Holy shit lol

DC makes it busted

I know the rage is good

[uneven mason]

DC makes it stonger, but BV was the go to BEFORE DC was even in.

[daring marlin]

but the 15% damage amp buffed for what seems years

Is why it’s insane

[sick sentinel]

BV was goat in legion

[daring marlin]

? ? ?

[sick sentinel]

Like it was never not good because of trait

It was and still is the best option

[stark sage]

bv is still the best option without any dc traits

[daring marlin]

I only saw people take BV with the prot leggo

[lusty grotto]

no

[daring marlin]

the ring

[lusty grotto]

BV was good since ToS

[sick sentinel]

U call those people rookies

[lusty grotto]

without any specific leggos

ToS tier was also good for it

[sick sentinel]

BV was so much better than any talent in legion in that line that the other talents wished they could be even in it's shadow

[daring marlin]

lolwut

[lusty grotto]

and like everyone else said, any rage you don't spend doesn't contribute to AM

[daring marlin]

Devastator was amazing and it only gave the extra 5 rage

[sick sentinel]

They weren't on the same line

[lusty grotto]

right

[daring marlin]

oh right

derp

ITF was there

go me

[lusty grotto]

and deva was good too due to its rage gains

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

which is non-existent now in bfa

[daring marlin]

either way

[hot locust]

devastator would still be the talent we take if it was on the same tier it was in legion @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

even over ITF?

[hot locust]

They put bolster there and moved devastator to compete with other RPS options though.

[lusty grotto]

granted it's a reworked ITF

[hot locust]

Devastator competed with indom/NS

[lusty grotto]

OH ROFL

[hot locust]

Yeeeah.

[lusty grotto]

yeah you're right

[silk moat]

@lusty grotto thanks ... kinda weird putting on shoulders 30ilvlz down. Pawn even dates the other shoulders with archive as better but I don’t think lawn weights azerite traits

Pawn*

[lusty grotto]

we don't use pawn though

don't look at it

[neon tangle]

^^^^ Always ignore pawn

[silk moat]

What do we use 🤓

[lusty grotto]

common sense haha

[uneven mason]

our brains

[neon tangle]

Just your brain

[uneven mason]

Prot is 400IQ spec

[wild bolt]

We use the pins

The almighty pins

[timber vault]

So, question for you lads. I feel like i just get absolutely trucked by Ghuun. Is warrior a bad tank for that fight?

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all, use one DC piece, so on

[uneven mason]

1xDC > ilvl = Prot priority

[silk moat]

Lol y’all right

[wild bolt]

Mythic G'huun?

[timber vault]

Nah

normal

feels like he just trucks me

[silk moat]

Truth

[neon tangle]

@timber vault everyone gets trucked by g'huun

[wild bolt]

War is GREAT for G'huun

[uneven mason]

Warrior is amazing for Ghuun

[lusty grotto]

eh?

[uneven mason]

he's raw melee

[hot locust]

Gotta pay extra good attention to that block timing.

[uneven mason]

he hurts everyone

[silk moat]

DC is just amazing. I’m new to prot.. been doing arms.

[uneven mason]

^^^

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs @timber vault

[wild bolt]

The swaps let you have so many cd's recharged when you taunt him back

[uneven mason]

What lala said

[silk moat]

Just started playing

[timber vault]

not to my knowledge

[uneven mason]

if you eat his melee at 5 stacks

[timber vault]

cuz i wasnt logging it

[uneven mason]

without block up

[lusty grotto]

ok, we could see your block uptime there

[uneven mason]

he's going to chunk you

[timber vault]

That might be it

[wild bolt]

and Spell Reflect takes Corruption out of the picture during Blood Feast

[uneven mason]

What I did

[wild bolt]

(assuming you're the target)

[uneven mason]

was just eat the first melee swing with just IP

then hit block

[timber vault]

im so used to my old way of tanking, just chaining my shield blocks so i block as much as possible

[uneven mason]

and the swap happens before block fades

lets me save LS for a OSHIT

[lusty grotto]

what

don't chain shield blocks

wait

what do you mean chaining

[restive mauve]

Devastator with AS wep enchant and 2000 haste sounds juicy

[uneven mason]

don't chain block

use it whne you need it

[lusty grotto]

you don't use both stacks at once

[uneven mason]

but don't build it up to 12s duration

just cuz

[restive mauve]

AND dagger equipped

[uneven mason]

Aristrides Devastator doesn't produce rage on swing, its a flat 20% (which is reduced if you use a dagger btw, like all flat procs)

[timber vault]

Alrighty then

[restive mauve]

Blizzard funhammer

Unlucky

[uneven mason]

indeed

[timber vault]

In my mind, im still used to "I want as much uptime on this as possible"

[uneven mason]

they were paying attention to us using 1.3 speed weapons in vanilla

[timber vault]

instead of "use this when the harder hitting shits coming out"

[lusty grotto]

you want uptime but only if you're getting melee'd

[uneven mason]

@timber vault You still do

[lusty grotto]

and fill in with Last Stand

[uneven mason]

don't confused LITERAL UPTIME