That’s true morg
#protection
chilly brook
chilly brook
Utility is really one of the only things that matters in m+
austere oar
I'd say self healing is an extremely important point also
austere oar
I like IP tbh, really happy with the off gcd change
Cuz right now when aoe pulling I have no time to press it tbh
daring marlin
???
austere oar
Feel like I'm losing too much tempo
austere oar
Yeah but often SS and rev will instantly be off CD
daring marlin
If you have the rage for IP and you have a revenge proc why not use IP if you don't have the buff?
anger management
austere oar
Well yeah I could press it, but that would potentially mean proc losses if you use it
Like Tc > (potential rev + ss proc) IP > TC > potential procs wasted
Dont get me wrong I like the IP value, but it feels like too many things overlapping, that's why I'm happy with the changes ^^
daring marlin
idk man I'd rather lose revenge procs than rage cap and waste AM
austere oar
Shouldn't have to choose between survival and dps imo ^^
daring marlin
Of course not
daring marlin
Which is why IP off the GCD is amazing.
Even if people claim it'll just allow you to do an extra revenge every now and then
LOL
brittle timber
pure numbers...over a 6min sim or whatever...that's all it does
in reality, in our hands...it will feel 100x better
perception is reality
daring marlin
I mean. It will help in the areas that people complain about. Trash packs in M+.
With casters.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
scenic seal
ok double checking on something icey veins said
basically im looking for deafening crash traits on outer ring first and foremost?
but only 1x + 2nd tier
scenic seal
ok but how important does prot consider inner rings like azerite fort/veins
frosty wedge
There are some that are better than others - we aim for AV/CC/IV for m+
all of this is in the pins though
ivory barn
Is devastator even fun for like heroic dungeons?
lusty grotto
no
waxen cradle
not really BV is still better its just too much of a benefit to have that on demand rage in my opinion
waxen cradle
If devastator still gave us rage like it used to and dealt relevant damage then it might be worth a crap but it does not
ivory barn
They gut it so hard it's funny
waxen cradle
BV, and UF together is just too good to ever really pass up without some significant talent reworks and I would not count on that any time soon
Its funny however that we still have devastate when all it does is serves the purpose of a filler attack when we really have nothing else to press, but that should not be that often and if it is you messed up somewhere. Granted yes it does also have a chance to reset SS, but you should never be spamming it that often unless you made a mistake with the rotation elsewhere so it does feel like a crap ability
sick sentinel
it was useful on explosive but that's it :/
waxen cradle
Of course if I were to speak in terms of useless things existing within the Protection spec then well it would take me a while.... looking at you ravager, never surrender and yes a few more
Its actually funny they are adding a azerite trait to prop up ravager in 8.1, they just will not let it die
daring marlin
The go to talent in the row(devastator) was only good for explosive
you're actually hilarious @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
I mean I last week I could SS an explosive and if it didn't crit I would davastate it and it would die
waxen cradle
I have not used devastator at all this week for explosive, and the orbs have not been a issue really as long as people can switch target
waxen cradle
Oh if were speaking in terms of legion well yeah duh it was good then
But devastator from legion and devastator now is like apples and oranges
No matter how you look at it they are WAY too different to be relevant to each other now
Was never gonna be a option on that row a ability that does auto damage and resets SS at the same chance as baseline devastate, or a talent that gives a on demand 40 rage that has a short CD made even shorter by the interaction with AM. And then throw in UF, and DC interaction yeah just too good
Hell even with all of the tinfoil hats losing there minds over the DC nerf its still gonna be our best trait, but now I will not feel so absolutely required to pass up 40 to 45+ ilvls for it if I do not have it elsewhere
Which with the 5th rings being added getting the trait may be easier... I have yet to see any of the gear but that is what I suspect
steel mauve
Speculation is that dc will be worth maybe 15 ilvls now onstead of 45
drowsy relic
Why is every high .io warrior playing with a disc priest?
outer dew
how are you guys dealing with high KR keys?
the fact I can't block the mini bosses shoot, sheer amount of magic damage in the dung
got me kinda sad
fringe marten
Shawrus I personally do not like disc priest for myself; but because you're willing to play with good players who can make their class work (you know..like prot warriors) so if you find a good disc priest..run with that~
ivory barn
Double absorbs honestly. I asked the same question in legion when IP was next to broken. You could run high keys because the way the absorbs act with each other. And depending on which one is applied first didn't matter
outer dew
i mean
I don't mind disc
disc understands that he doesn't need to bomb me heal with heals
to keep me up
sick sentinel
I personally prefer resto druids over priests
I can go more pull crazy with a druid then with a priest
ivory barn
if the druid is built right yes disc is more sustained pulls
sick sentinel
Also they have a brez and can actually deal with poisons unlike priest
Which to me puts druids ahead
Well any healer really
outer dew
everyone has certain niches they pref
sick sentinel
Yeah that's why I said mines is more druid
outer dew
was doing 13/14's with a MW and felt fine
sick sentinel
Druids tend to not panic if i go crazy with pulls
outer dew
i mean
could just be more of bring player vs class
bbecause i've seen some miserable druids
outer dew
been debating about leveling my BDK tbh
sitting on warrior/shaman/mage
don't know if i wanna push another toon
sick sentinel
I need to lvl my feral to 120 but .io hunting is holding me back
sick sentinel
Usually level him first but because I've been playing him since I started wow, decided to lvl my warrior
sick sentinel
I'm only .io hunting because I actually like m+
outer dew
the keys i want atm are all asking 1.3k
so i'd rather just have someone in my FL ask if i want to tank
lmao
sick sentinel
I just do it for the fun and challenge because raiding is not that
I mostly like it because of the speed running, no fuck ups aspect
sick sentinel
No u must, farm them all
Farm tell u can't farm no more
I'm still mad I got number 1 prot in my server tho
outer dew
ahh
sick sentinel
Thinking it was. +10
sick sentinel
I felt cheated and robbed
sick sentinel
My whole goal was to get 1.2k b4 the end only pugging
outer dew
pretty happy i decided not to sell it
sick sentinel
For ground mounts I always ride in my war kodo
sick sentinel
Kodo is love, kodo is life
outer dew
???
sick sentinel
....tails
sick sentinel
🤔
merry cave
They seem really strong, wish haymaker was replacing ravager not a stupid racial -_-
sick sentinel
They are going to be hit by the nerfbat
trust me
and pin this message for later remembrance
shadow sequoia
guys what is your shield block uptime % in dungeons ?
astral crystal
Should be pretty high in terms of dmg mitigated because packs don’t last too long, and when they do you kite or manage externals
When difficulty calls for it anyway
stuck oxide
empty nacelle
grand trellis
you guys hold onto avatar for demo shout and vice versa if they get out of sync?
thinking mainly M+. trash type stuff
silk mortar
Well if they are close enough to eachother il pop one and eventually the other will come up
high umbra
Best DefenseTrinket for war ?
eager phoenix
DMF Blockade, Jes howler and Mythrax are good choices
I guess the one from 2nd in KR also is decent option
delicate breach
And lingering sporepods?
amber siren
bad
thorn yarrow
I actually prefer Mythrax over blockade an use Jes Howler with it
that bubble has saved me more times then I want to admit
uneven mason
it is pretty substantial
twin minnow
is doom's fury any good? between that and a 355 gladitor badge (str on use)
delicate breach
Y but linger 390 or dmf block 355.... i think dooms fury is useless for prot.
viral axle
would you guys use rezan's fury over Bloodsport azerite trait?
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
I would personally
lusty grotto
for meme build
sick sentinel
It's better than rezan fury
Since it actual helps with ur mita unlike fury which is just a bleed
supple path
Hrm, butcher's block vs syringe? Same ilvl.
sick sentinel
Well one gives a dot but gives a bit less crit and the other has more crit
Either or is fine if they are the same ilvl imo
In a m+ I'd say use block since its a more simple version of syringe and has more crit which is more useful than a dot
frosty wedge
anyone else watching MDI?
silk mortar
@supple path Dps wise syringe is more likely to pull ahead.
sick sentinel
@frosty wedge arent the keys +13 and gear at 370?
remote tusk
@frosty wedge I am. I'm trying to imagine how those pulls would be with current Protection.
@sick sentinel Gear is 375. Don't know key level.
sick sentinel
K
sick sentinel
Lmao, seeing the MDI and people freaking about Unholy dk
If only we get some prot warrior love but thats never gonna happen
novel sparrow
Yeah, very underwhelmed by this patches updates
feral vapor
which dungeon shield is best?
clear sapphire
I'm looking for some input. My guild is on M Zul.
Back ground: doing Zerg strat with 6 rogues. Tanks are my self and a blood DK (they want to 2 tank and have me suicide rez from the sound of it. I would be on Zul, DK on crawgs.).
I'm really trying to work out how I won't pull aggro on crawgs in p2 (since they are insistent on kiting them over boss essentially and I'm not optomistic about tricks from rogues helping much.) That and CD's are going to quickly run out to to keep me up.
waxen cradle
The only time I ever hold Avatar is if it is very very close to coming off CD and will line up perfectly or obviously I will hold DS if I am near rage capped, but that should not be a issue unless AoE tanking when our rage gen is through the roof anyway
ST I definitely do not hold DS or Avatar yet again unless Avatar us extremely close to comingh off CD meaning within a few secs
silk mortar
@feral vapor Atal'dazar
feral vapor
thx
waxen cradle
I am looking forward to what questions get asked in the Q+A I just hope the questions were not heavily screened
And of course questions get asked about classes
astral crystal
probably wont be much different than the average qa
waxen cradle
Yeah unfortunately I agree, but here is hoping as they say
sick sentinel
lol?
potent gorge
ok im struggling a bit on what trinkets i should choose for my prot set, i have: 365 rezan eye, 370 syringe with socket, 340 lingering spore, and 380 vial of animated blood
i was thinking vial and rezans eye
brave mauve
using darkmoon card blockade?
waxen cradle
Spore I have found is garbage... cannot go wrong with Rezan's and Syringe seems a bit inconsistent to me as a prot trinket, it depends on also what your using them for as well... I do use a Syringe for damage purposes but with those options I would say Rezan's and Vial
Like Bilas said if looking at trinkets in terms of a pure survivability trinket you cannot go wrong Blockades... if survivability is not so much a issue then just run Rezans and a dps trink
supple path
Weakaura channel is a desolate wasteland. What's people's preferred battleshout tracking WA? Mine broke.
mighty gulch
signal plover
That's a good one
silk mortar
Yeah
lusty grotto
gloves and legs as well
silk mortar
And for some reason those two will be the only ones youll ever get
lusty grotto
helm is kinda meh too
but that one doesn't drop from chests
completion chest i mean
so basically everything except wrists and boots
sick sentinel
Hey guys. Is there a high skill level to play prot warrior?
lusty grotto
higher than other tanks yeah
lusty grotto
high skill referring to you can't make as many mistakes as you do with other tanks because there is no reliable self recovery
overlapping Mitigation abilities usually results in heavy spikes or death
for example
sick sentinel
Oh ok. Thanks for the info
lusty grotto
like for example using SB during Last Stand with Bolster
overlapping Demo with SB is not the case i'm talking about since that should be done consistently
(and IP of course)
sick sentinel
How are the ip changes looking? Good or bad?
lusty grotto
they are good
signal rune
🔥 😩
ivory barn
is 3 days 12 hours when those changes go live i thjought it was 8.1 which is 12/11
rough egret
should I stick to I lvl or go rezan + blockades ?
lusty grotto
bandages are crap
daring marlin
yes
torn sage
why bandages so bad? Id think another thank cd would be nice. But I guess 60k aint much.
gcd?
lusty grotto
trinkets aren't on the gcd
torn sage
right, sometimes i forget what did and didnt make it on that ambiguous list.
astral crystal
movement abilities off the gcd in 8.1 boiz
leap and chrage to your hearts content
charge*
elder bay
Woohoo
solid mist
Lol i like in the q & a the devs saying that people are talking bad about their own class is what makes people not want to take certain specs
Confirmed no devs play prot war
neon tangle
There’s plenty of shit talking warriors in here, I certainly don’t encourage people to play it unless they know what there getting in to
I guess I’m part of the problem lol
I think complaining is kinda fair tho, it sucks to invest a bunch of time in to a character and then find out “oh, m+ pugging will be horrible” or “oh, I’m way less able to get a spot in a guild” or “I’m gonna get benched when my guild runs in to a roadblock”
solid mist
Bingo
Dk being overrepresented in m+ and brm in raids isn't bc skyhold people are salty
midnight ferry
even if there is only 0.0001% difference between tanks, moron pug will always pick the better class even on a +8 key
nothing u can do
people are stupid
solid mist
Sure but if the diff was small the whatever, you lose out on some moron pugs.
neon tangle
I mean, there’s a lot of variety in healers, even at higher keys
solid mist
The diff isn't small
neon tangle
They don’t have any class that’s 60% of 15+ runs
supple path
I feel like an equally skilled BDK would be capable of doing what, +2 keystone levels over me? but yeah, people think that means "you can't do a 7 then"
neon tangle
I think it’s not just capable of, but often falls in to “will they play good enough to”
solid mist
Grip and brez are non-trivial
supple path
Yeah I'm just looking at it from "if I had an equally geared dk that I was equally good on, what would I be capable of" pov
solid mist
Just a weird thing for them to say. People are rejecting prot wars, so the problem are the prot wars talking bad about themselves
A+
supple path
Yeah, as if all of a class's reputation stems from how that class talks.
neon tangle
Tbh this channel is overly positive about the state of the class if anything
solid mist
Lol yup
supple path
Well yeah because the reality doesn't factor in stuff like "how hard is it to do stuff in practice because everyone hates us"
neon tangle
Like, I dig that we can be as good, but damn life is easier since I rerolled BDK
Also it’s more fun than you’d expect to have silly huge deathstrikes on fetid
frosty wedge
yeah BDK is my 2nd favourite tank :p
but it's infinitely easier to get groups on my DK
sick sentinel
Yeah but fuck all that, INTERCEPT IS OFF GCD
Also rallying moan
And hey, we get to finally fist while tanking
frosty wedge
oh shit
heroic leap off GCD too
OMG my favourite - 8.1 will add an account bound item that unlocks all flight paths in the new continents.
this should be a thing for EVERY continent
mild nymph
supp dudes, Im main a fury warrior and do alot of m+ (currently 1.1k rio). Been wanting to dip my toes into the tanking scene for quite awhile now. How viable is prot for pushing higher keys, and do you guys struggle to get invites to pugs? (kinda one of the main reasons I want to tank is the shorter que times)
neon tangle
Higher keys are possible, but harder than BDK, pugging can range from fine to miserable on trying to get groups
mild nymph
Are the new changes in 8.1 looking like they will help close gap?
frosty wedge
I've tanked 10s on my warrior
it's not terribe, but definitely difficult to get invites
the 8.1 changes are a bit of a boost, but they're not closing the gap
sick sentinel
Until they remove grips and give warriors death strike not likely
mild nymph
getting invites easier was one of the main reasons I was thinking about changing. I guess warriors as a class arent doing too well in the m+ meta now
sick sentinel
We are but people will look at ur clear times
They will actually check ur times over say a BDK because its a bdk
You might end up sitting in ques for multiple groups for awhile too
You will end up with 4 situations when pugging
- Grabbed to lure in other players then kicked
2)Last Resort pick
merry cave
8.1 isn't removing any gap
sick sentinel
3)Picked because their "guild" or friend tank hasnt came online aka a BDK
merry cave
The slight buffs we got may counter the DC nerf
sick sentinel
- You get into a decent group
mild nymph
I didnt play legion, were prot warriors ever any good for M+ then??
merry cave
They were good in the end
merry cave
Not seen by the community as good but I did well
And we had very strong niche dungeons like upper and cath
sick sentinel
Community perception was non-exist in legion about how bad we were
cause we werent bad
We just werent BDK
which can be said about any tank in legion
mild nymph
that just seems so broken though......
merry cave
There's like 3-4 top tier specs that's it
mild nymph
I agree, seems like its the same 2-3 comps for every dungeon
sick sentinel
Prot warrior tanking might as well be the saying, "Work harder, not smarter" given life
Because we work much harder than nearly all other tanks rn but itd just be smarter for any of us to just go BDK/BrM
merry cave
There so boring though lol
sick sentinel
Yeah but picking a top tier isn't meant to be fun
astral crystal
how to fix MDI: class cooldown; each class has a cooldown of one round per player
you play DK round 1, you can't play it again round 2
ez
sick sentinel
Oh you mean the thing they should have done
astral crystal
or make it a spec lock, to avoid having other players go tank
sick sentinel
I like MDI because of competitive speed run nature and to learn a few new things that I may not know, but I do not look at it for the skill when the classes they take are the ideal classes to make runs easier
supple path
I'd like that as a different sort of tournament.
Seeing top-tier offmeta play would be fun.
merry cave
Would rather they figure out balance than have to put in extra rules
Or ruin dks for a while let next mdi be something else on top 🤷
sick sentinel
No amount of balance is going to work
If you saw the last match up people got their asshole blasted with Unholy dk dps
Because they forget that raid setting =/ m+ setting
Ele/Unholy are some of the best AoE dpsers because their kits are good for that
but a lotpeople tend to not separate the various types of content in game
I was not shocked to see dark's unholy dk doing that much damage, if anyone took their heads out their asses and look at their skills, talents, etc. they are much more suited for M+ then raiding
which is the same issue us prots and other "bad" specs suffer from
So now expect to see an large surge of UH dks because mouth breathing fotm players saw that on MDI
Which pisses me off because now people are going to assume i joined the fucking bandwagon
amber siren
I can't wait for +5 UH Dks only
lapis gazelle
Just saw that IP is coming off the GCD
merry cave
It does nothing to solve any of prots basic issues but I guess it's good because now it'll stop being the fotm issue and the real problems might come to the front
sick sentinel
Man I wish I could spell reflect/shield block college work
astral crystal
been spamming that all day
lapis gazelle
It combos really well with Procrastination
modern brook
@sick sentinel :ignorepain:
sick sentinel
If only
lusty grotto
what was the website that showed top classes for m+?
i swear to god someone linked it to me once and i forgot about it
it was something like top dungeons and top classes/comps
for the week's affixes
steep river
pliant meteor
Prot guys, which weapon for tanking? 1.8 or 2.6 speed?
amber siren
I don't think weapon speeds differences are even a thing anymore
So I'm not sure what you're looking at but it isn't a sword/axe/mace/fist weapon
vocal flame
both options are bad but which is better? all my others are 325 ilvel Vanquished Tendril of G'huun 370 +164 Vers or Doom's Fury 380 +298 str?
im thinking vers over str
amber siren
doom's fury is actually good, good chunk of str and an on demand dps/defensive increase
vocal flame
yeah? over the vers you think? I think crit bonus is better than the random G'huun tendril fighting for me lol
amber siren
yeah easily
vocal flame
great thanks for the help
wispy coral
Sounds like a dumb question but I’m actually curious — do you all think prot will feel fun when 8.1 hits? I’ve tried my prot a few times and just never feel like I can keep up with procs and keep my AM up which feels bad
frosty wedge
@inland mesa I definitely just pinged you ingame, haha
inland mesa
yup 😄 have you watched my stream to see how terrible you can be to be 6/8?
frosty wedge
hahaha, I have not
inland mesa
raid calling like a boss mod and trying to play a prot warrior isn't condusive to playing well >.>
frosty wedge
haha yeah I imagine not
inland mesa
but i do enough, granted tank deaths ahven't really held us back at all this tier
inland mesa
they want me to monk though for mythrax and g'huun
amber siren
@wispy coral If you don't like how prot feels right now, you most likely won't enjoy it come 8.1. The IP chance is a good 'feel' change but it's not a huge rotational flow overthrow
inland mesa
D:
supple star
anyone here runs devestator talent?
dusky mica
No.
wispy coral
True true
supple star
Any of you do 10+ or higher as prot war?
final mist
Every week.
prisma crane
^
supple star
you people down to like exchange tactis/pulls tips and tricks in higher keys?
prisma crane
i'd start by watching vids or vods online
a few here stream
and dont all have to be prot perspective, routes dont drastically change
but you'll find it's easier to ask direct questions, super open ended is hard to get anywhere
supple star
I tank Higher Keys on a regular basis as prot warrior and am currently 7/8 Prot Mythic Progress its more of a give a little to the prot war discord. Im not really active here but every now and then i read or just scam through some comments so if people would be interested or have questions id like to help out
prisma crane
sounds good, best i can say is to linger and just jump in where you can 😃
lusty grotto
@steep river yeah that one thanks!
ruby sapphire
Me do big damage me good tank
solid mist
Rage comes in, rage goes out. Can't explain that
daring marlin
Amazing.
silver crane
any good news for prot warriors in 8.1 ? is it viable to m+ ???? 😃
sonic saddle
Is there any information regarding the Arathi World Boss Trinket for prot warrs?
lusty grotto
trinket is good as a STR stat stick and for dps, that's about it
sick sentinel
Its also good for a high on demand parry for M+
Can use it to parry a lot of boss attacks, like the debuff from Ak'ali from kings rest
Its the trinket im going for since i have the mythrax trinket
limpid pawn
i've tanked a +9 so far
but only because I try to get my guild's tank for the +10 every week
couldn't finish the +9 in time either, but not sure if it's because of me or the group lol
sick sentinel
Depends
How often are u using ur cds
Are u watching ur Shield block up time
Are you pulling the right amount of trash that YOU can handle
Also how good is ur awareness as a tank
and ur knowledge of the dungeon
not routes or pulls, just the dungeon and the mobs in it
raven kernel
having good calculated pulls is paramount to tanks, especially prot warriors
sick sentinel
No matter the scene you are in, if ur the tank, everyone depends on you
If you fail, everyone breaks
raven kernel
you are the one with the primary control of the pace as well
of course having good dps helps with that too
sick sentinel
At lower keys I would not worry too much about dps, not dealing with ghunnies so anywhere from 6-8k below +10 is fine
Which most people can typically do
outer dew
Also something to consider is wiping a lot more
I wipe on a lot of keys just to get a feel of how much I can pull
You start finding you can pull a bit more here or there
Like this week, I just lust the healing boss for atal
Just pull the whole front pack into the boss + lust
sick sentinel
That is a good way to learn what you can handle but use M0 for that kind of pratice
They arent as challenging but you can u will get a close guess as to what you can deal with
If you struggle to handle a pack of 5 adds on M0 try 3 or 4,
from there see why u struggled with that group of adds
Was is it because of their abilities, did u mitage enough, etc.
Always, always do M0's first for a dungeon if u havent done it
Learn the lay out of the dungeon, the abilies all adds have and take your time
random finch
That moment when you surprise people on tree boss in a 14 just tankin a casual 55 stacks
sick sentinel
I honestly started doing that ever since someone mentioned that
I forgot who said it but it wasnt too long ago, and holy shit does it make the fight so much easier
random finch
Was rei
random finch
I used everything even pain sub from my healer
upbeat folio
On fortified, you can get up there.
I did a +9 the other day on my 351 DK and got up to 40 something before we killed it. Way easier than dealing with all of the other crap.
random finch
Just wait till next patch with all that mastery
upbeat folio
"all that mastery"?
random finch
New trait bastion of might
stone cloud
upbeat folio
411 on bastion of might?
raven kernel
i only hit 72 cos my dps were alts/socials XD
but it was nice to prove prot capabilities
i only called 1 ironbark
everything else was my own cds
icy island
What stacks are you talking about guys?
sick sentinel
The Soul Goliath in Waycreast Maner
He gets a stacking buff that increases the damage he deals
The higher it is the stronger his crush and auto attacks become
Or at least his auto attacks since I took a few crushes without IP/SB while he was above 30 stacks and the damage wasn't that bad
Noticeably, but not scary
echo egret
But what's the point of letting stacks go that high ? Not trigger the group-wide damage ?
amber siren
just for fun i guess, the party wide damage isn't that serious
random finch
Reduce group wide damage and they can do what dps do best tunnel
bronze fossil
Hi guys currently playing Arms on 1.2k r.io was interested in speccing to Prot how does it feel in m+ would you consider it viable to play and also are you getting into groups?
random finch
It is viable to play it’s mostly community perception you gotta deal with. Also once you learn what pulls do what you can easily do it
I get into a lot of groups easy and if your good you’ll surprise a lot of people
Like if you actually look at why everyone “wants” a dk tank is cause he can take care of him self and pretty much carry the whole group
bronze fossil
heard t hat dk is getting alot of nerfs in up incomming patch
might push warr tanks up abit
random finch
Not really
bronze fossil
also prot doesnt have half of utility dk provides
random finch
But you run a group of guilders or mates who are clued on do you really need the utility of a dk
You can do a lot with what the warrior has it might not have no grip but you can do a surprising amount
bronze fossil
thats another pair of gloves i do not have group currently and my guildies are shit considering m+ hhahaah
got 1.2k
with pugs
random finch
That raider io isn’t gonna mean much if you just starting to tank it’s a different ball park then dps
random finch
That’s like easy stuff thunderclap for days
You’ll be surprised what you can do just give it ago
bronze fossil
well
ivory barn
i had 30-34k dps with demo + TC + rev it was nuts
bronze fossil
people can make everything work
ivory barn
ava popped too
bronze fossil
like yday on blizzcon 2 rogues
raven kernel
i think you haven't noticed it yet
random finch
The best advice I can give you is just have a go if you run into trouble post on discord and someone will get back to you
raven kernel
😄
random finch
I’ll have a watch later see if I can get what your saying rei
bronze fossil
they are running
without fucking healer
thats what hes saying
priest is playing shadow
raven kernel
😃
brazen lion
Devastator?
north oar
Devastor?
random finch
What week is it for them
raven kernel
wut devastator?
amber siren
north oar
No you
sick sentinel
Why does he used devastate when he has a revenge proc though
random finch
Explosive week all the victory rushs
drowsy relic
wheres his stream?
open bluff
Not very
open bluff
Unless it's a decent ilvl increase
sudden tapir
Is that ghuun trinket any good.. because it just dropped at like 395 ilvl for me, and I'm ready to drink half a bottle of whiskey if it's bad
could have gotten the shield
silk mortar
Feelsbadman
sudden tapir
T_T
crisp stone
Think it might just be the worst trinket in the game
sudden tapir
Seems that way, apparently all the old gods dropped one; meme trinket ;x
sharp raptor
guys how accurate is the info on icyveins?
as in why is strength valued so low on stat prio? gives us armour isn't that a good thing?
bold iron
Would Ignore pain be considered active mitigation?
ember arrow
Yes
steel mauve
Secondary active mitigation, its a dmg smoother more than mitigating it
bronze lance
steel mauve
Its used to smooth damage intake, so it is a damage smoother
vocal nimbus
Turns the next hit into a smoothie of damage
ashen trellis
Rallying cry off the gcd. Actually pretty big.
astral crystal
is it really?
gray wolf
main marlin
how is prot at tanking zul crawgs?
coral dew
I'd imagine good no?
broken kite
that ui
drowsy relic
Apparently he’s the second highest.io warrior
sick sentinel
Korean power and smart player.
Rarity amongst majority short sighted prot players.
Korean players in general also not obsessed with FOTM classes/speccs
So likely dont mind playing with a prot warr.
drowsy relic
That’s awesome
ashen trellis
@astral crystal https://www.wowhead.com/news=288414/movement-and-utility-abilities-will-be-re-taken-off-the-gcd-fist-weapon-transmog
astral crystal
damn, that's nice
open bluff
Nah demo is used for resources because only one talent build
ashen trellis
But, by nature, Demo shout is a defense. I get why its on the gcd now, but if we ever get to a point where BV isnt used, demo on the gcd is going to feel weird. Its feels weird now but yea.
open bluff
GCD should only apply when specced into BV tbh
delicate bone
First rotation 6 each (with pala bubble)
Second 3 or 4. Depends on Zul remaining HP
sour robin
Is high mountain Tauren the best race for prot? or does it not really matter?
fickle geyser
id go belf for racial
wild spear
I'm so glad I rolled this spec.
ashen trellis
I personally like Mag'har. Ancestral call providing a very slight dps and defense buff
I like how no on ever thinks of alliance also haha. Im pretty sure Dark iron dwarf has the best prot racials
lusty grotto
they do
silk mortar
Kinda op
cinder pasture
Ooof, about time !
silk mortar
Gz ^^
merry cave
Nelf op 😂 😂
lusty grotto
gz
fading sun
Hello, anyone has a good pawn string for me so I can be almost 100% sure the items i get it a good upgrade for my prot spec?
sick sentinel
if its a higher ilvl, its an upgrade
wheat bronze
Item level
sick sentinel
if its the same ilvl, go for the one with more haste on it
wheat bronze
If same, haste
cinder pasture
If same ilvl and neither has haste, curse blizzard and the rng gods
fading sun
Highter Ilvl is not always better because of stats ofc
vocal nimbus
higher ilvl is generally the best option
secondary stats are pretty close to each other
steel mauve
There are no pawn strings for prot warrior, just an easy priority
dense flame
steel mauve
You use it about every 6 to 8 gcd's when you get a free one
But pretty much about 20-30 times an entire fight depending on how long it is
zinc mauve
if you go a full gcd without doing something, you've failed as a warrior and you must commit sudoku
just press devastate when you got nothing else to press
distant cradle
hey guys is there any reason why a warrior tank would use ignore pain only 3 times in a dungeon? like is it that much a of a dps increase to just not use it at all
coral dew
Noob question, what is a pawn string?
distant cradle
its a string that tells you quickly based on sims how good a piece of gear is for you .
sick sentinel
@distant cradle A warrior tank should not be using IP that small in a dungeon
They should have way more casts of it
We cannot block ranged attacks right now and we only have 1 ability that reduces magic damage with a 10 years cd
distant cradle
ok thanks , I asked why he didnt cast it basically the whole dungeons and he said because its on the GCD and it was more important to dps
uneven mason
SR - 25s CD, DS - ~20s CD, Shieldwall ~2min CD, IP - 40rage no CD
But I mean, if they focus on DPS
yeah, over the course of a whole dungeon, you look like garbage in a case by case, but the entire thing probably take less damage
if they just puss 👢 🍵 👏
sick sentinel
He shouldn't be overlapping his Ignore pains but to have only 3 casts is bad
But that depends on the dungeon, what difficulty, their gear, etc.
Dealing more damage is fine, but taking extra uneeded damage screams of a windowlicker
distant cradle
it would have been fine but he would just get deleted, had 13 deaths in the dungeons 9 of them was him getting smashed
rich robin
We have to remind people in my guild "You can't DPS if you're dead" so if he is prioritizing DPS over staying alive then that's an issue.
sick sentinel
It's why I have a hatred for when people try to say focus on dps as a tank to because of bullshit reason
Ur a tank, not a dps
If ur dps can't pump out the damage, they need to get better and not u trying to deal more damage
sacred roost
kinda feel like in order to do high level mythics, I should level a monk,bdk, dh, or rogue, and I don't really want to.
or some form o healer
outer dew
how's everyone stats looking like
sacred roost
building for haste/mast?
sand adder
anyone else notice that when hero and everything else is proccing that haste from 85% to 120% doesnt seem to make much of a difference in rotation and how fast you can get everything off? is there something limiting my ability to take advantage of haste gains over 85% or so?
sand adder
ahhh that explains it, thankyou.
random finch
That cap is there so players say with back in t21 with the shield slam no CD could just make a macro and it would spasm out the shield slam and pretty much one shot a raid boss
quiet crane
@sick sentinel whilst dps is not your primary concern as a tank is survival, dps does matter to as it translates to both threat and contributes to a pack or boss dying faster meaning less stress on healers aswell as yourself to perform well
lucid kelp
you ever get forced to rage cap? like yer DPSing on a boss that you dont need to tank for like 2 more minutes...and you avatar....and then Every single thunderclap proc's a reset on Shield Slam for like a solid 10 seconds...
i mean sure I could burn it on shield block but then I might not have 2 charges going into when I need them
sick sentinel
burn rage on IP/Revenge
digital arrow
3 stacks of rupturing blood is toughhhhhhhh
sick sentinel
@quiet crane because ive had this discussion before I dont think people understand what I mean by not focusing on dps over survival
when I say dont focus on dps I dont mean, sit there like some goldfish and wait to build rage
You need to be attacking whatever your fighting obviously
But if you are putting more effort and focus into attacking then you are on your survival , you are not tanking
Me saying to not focus on dps is not me saying to not use an attack, i am saying to focus on what is actually more important and dpsing is not that
You are going to naturally dps because you need rage to use IP/SB, but to use rage on a non -procced revenge over an IP, unless you have an IP already up and SB too, then u should not use that rage on dps
but with the change to IP being off GCD that no longer is an issue
amber siren
I don't think it's fair to say there's a hard and fast rule when it comes to tank DPS, just saying 'if you're not maximizing IP uptime then you're not tanking' isn't accurate
It's going to differ from group to group
lucid kelp
I got a new cape but it switching my Reorigination to Mastery...
time to use haste food!
strong parcel
can we not sim as prot?
cinder nova
We cannot
That require people to write a string
and nobody cares to
So we can't.
lucid kelp
stupid question
on Fetid
does he Melee the main target when he Thrashes?
Im pretty sure he does
the animation is just odd
signal plover
@lucid kelp the tank with threat on the boss is not hit by a melee during thrash.
lucid kelp
Oh? nice
safeguard might help then
not on the regular but...could occaisionally throw it on the offtank if he's struggling?
signal plover
What class is the OT?
signal plover
That's gotta be misplay on his part I feel like BDK is setup rly well for that mechanic
On mythic yeah?
lucid kelp
ye mythic
signal plover
I wouldn't recommend safeguard under 50%
lucid kelp
definitely not under 50..I'd probably end up dying
signal plover
It shouldn't be necessary tbh
signal plover
There's tons of BDK logs, I'm sure many of em do Thrash so he should have some stuff to look at.
lucid kelp
thats probablyt a better idea than me trying to assist
opal dew
Hey people, wanting to make an alt who is a tank and I'm currently trying to decide between Prot and VDh. Most people say prot is bad, so i wanted to hear your guys opinions asyou're the experts
thorny pumice
Prot isnt bad, just is more obvious when a bad player is playing the spec and harder to recover on if you fuck up
marsh beacon
For an alt, it depends what you want to get out of your experience. I’d argue that vDH is a better choice since it’s so strong in mythic plus. As a counter point, prot is really fun to play, it punishes bad play, and rewards good play, so it feels great when you succeed. Prot being pretty demanding as a spec also forces you to really learn, understand, and master boss/trash mechanics and how your diverse toolset can be used to solve those challenges
What class are you coming from?
opal dew
Main this xpac is boomy, last Xpac was a Unholy dk
Was Guardian start of xpac upto release of raid to help people gear, then went back to boomy
marsh beacon
I’d argue for warrior (we’re obviously biased here)
opal dew
I'm also basing it on my friends who are both playing ret paladins for Alts, we can all help gear eachother and battle should directly helps their damage where as runic brand im assuming would only help a lil bit for the holy damage increase
But most people i've talked to say that Warriors are currently - either the player is godlike or they're terrible
What is prots damage? i've heard that its pretty average, but according to mythic logs they're top for tank dps
merry cave
Aoe very strong st is average from personal experience
lusty grotto
i wouldn't say "godlike" but you definately have to know what you're doing
merry cave
And the really good or really bad is pretty much accurate
I've done pugs on alts with prot wars and it makes me understand why I don't get invites
lusty grotto
i was dpsing an H uldir tonight, MT/Leader had devastator 😦
i had to keep my mouth shut
trying to pug that aotc as an orb runner feelsbadman
like 60% of the warriors i encounter on my alts or as Arms are specced incorrectly
opal dew
I've seen godo of neither unfortunately
lusty grotto
haven't really seen how they are bad, unless if they are bad
opal dew
All ferals i've seen are terrible and talk about their 'big dps' constantly
lusty grotto
i did Mother with a feral that was #1 two weeks in a row
but then again they shine ST
not sure about M+ considering cleaving stuff
prot just has a huge stigma, because there are a lot of players that play it like it was in legion
they haven't adapted to BFA changes
opal dew
Well i havent played it ever heh
lusty grotto
so they end up getting plowed in the butt by just about anything
and then people just start assuming that it's the class fault
lusty grotto
shield block is your bread and butter mitigation ability
pain sup? no, that's a priest
you want to maintain Shield Block up and use Last Stand with the Bolster talent when you have no charges to keep blocking
you want to maintain Demo Shout as much as you possibly can, extending it with Deafening Crash (Azerite Trait which is required at least once in your gear)
you want to spend excess rage on IP (ignore pain not pain suppresion :P) - and if your IP is still full you can use it on revenge but usually you shouldn't considering you get a lot of free revenge procs
opal dew
Thats the one haha
lusty grotto
spending rage triggers your Anger Management talent which lowers your cooldowns - a lot more often... not to mention Shield wall cd is reduced as well
opal dew
With the new changes the no shield block window shouldnt be to bad anymore will it?
lusty grotto
which means you can Avatar (talent) + Thunder Clap spam for massive aoe dmg and you can demo shout with Booming Voice (talent) for more dmg as well as mitigation
drowsy relic
is there a cap for haste we need to hit?
lusty grotto
it shouldn't be that bad no
no there's no haste cap, nor should you go for only haste
ilvl > all except on rings and arguably trinkets
opal dew
Stat prio?
lusty grotto
no shield block windows only happen in long ass fights
they don't happen in M+, usually
because youre supposed to use SB or LS when getting meleed
so if a mob is casting, you can wait
there is no stat prio
this is all explained in the Icy Veins guide btw
its in
opal dew
Ah just got to that bit 😃
I mean it sounds fun to play. Always prefer tanks with shields
lusty grotto
in summary: your main mitigation on physical dmg is Shield Block (or Last Stand with Bolster) +Demo shout and filling in with IP
your main mitigation on magical damage is Demo Shout + Ignore Pain and filling in with Spell Reflect
opal dew
How painful is magic damage for prot?
lusty grotto
its painful
but it's still manageable if you use those abilities i mentioned
if you spend rage wisely on IP for example, in a scenario where you're not getting melee'd you wouldn't use shield block
if you're getting both types of damage it would be wise to just last stand with bolster and dump rage only on IP as you should in any case
(since you shouldn't use shield block when last stand is up - ever)
manic perch
how do you guys deal with Zul HC, do you also CC the 2 Hexxers and nuke boss till 40% then kill the the Hexxers and the rest of adds then kill zul?
jade wyvern
this any good? thinkin about trying to get one next week in timewalking https://puu.sh/BWBXR/9e18c71e50.png
lusty grotto
keep hexxers cc'd @manic perch
not sure maelz, sounds solid but no STR. It's good until you get a Blockades or a Jes/Rezan
austere oar
@manic perch If you can manage the perma CC for the 2 (potentially 4) then dont bother with them, or you can CC one , grip the other one in melee range (grip or kick her doesnt matter) and kill them 1 by 1
manic perch
is it possible to keep them CC'd till the end?
austere oar
You can keep them CC'd but the problem will be on Dps missing out CCs
Since there's a CC refresh mid-P2
manic perch
hmmm ok cool thanks for the feedback 😃
amber siren
If you're using the zerg strat and you get 4 hexers you will wipe
manic perch
yeah got that few times last night
wheat bronze
You can get as many hexxers as you want as long as you can CC them and keep them CCed
lusty grotto
yup
wheat bronze
That doesn't matter/
amber siren
They heal every mob for 10% every 2 seconds if they're within 20 yards
wheat bronze
They're being CCed on the outside and Zul is nowhere near?
amber siren
If two blood hexers are near each other
They heal every mob
In the fight
globally
manic perch
we usually had 2 hexers and 1 crusher up in p2 and wiped all the time
wheat bronze
Yeah, forgot about that actually.
manic perch
maybe we should cc the hex til death
ionic swallow
try cc hex and zerg crusher immediately. We always one hex shift near by spawn and CC (because next hex can spawn on same place) and second hex grip on group and zerg. When boss spawn next hex neer to phase 2, we cc both
austere oar
Tbh you can easily bring a hexxer into melee range and cleave her
Kill the first 2 and cc the last during p2
opal dew
My group cced one, gripped in the second to burn her
merry cave
Anyone here pushing 12-13 level keys on war? Got any tips for fortified zul
because fuck that mob
mental scarab
sick sentinel
Use every CD, you will not need it last boss anyway
austere oar
Pray for good healer also
sick sentinel
It's not bad but you might want some other pieces, like brace for impact or iron fortress
If it isnyour highest ilvl, no question
outer dew
In general KR is bad for us
crystal wadi
so:
355 lingering sporepods OR
345 Jes' Howler
amber siren
howler
lusty grotto
☝
oblique cedar
Yeah right now it's best to have BFI, IF, DC
manic sentinel
Hi, I have a dumb question. If I'm having trouble with boss mechanics and I just want to keep SB up so I can focus on what I'm doing more... can I engage and just use SB twice and Last stand, and the SB will stay up for the entire duration?
I know it wouldn't be best, but I'm just curious if it works
ember arrow
as long as you dont use SB and LS at the same time, its all good
it only starts to matter more the mroe challenging content youre doing
manic sentinel
Ok cool, thanks!
austere oar
LS is an integrated shield block without being one properly talking, so combining both LS and SB would overlap the same effect, as they said, wait for one to go off before doing the other
torn sun
well you have to have bolster for LS to do that right 😄
austere oar
Yeah well Bolster is pretty baseline ^^
torn sun
yeah it is, but just to be thorough 😃
storm isle
what's Lingering Sporepods like as a trinket?
chilly brook
It’s not the greatest option
Strength is always nice but there are other better strength trinkets, I’m using it but it’s because I have a socket on it and it’s high ilvl
storm isle
i have Jes's howler and blockades it's a 15 ilvl upgrade not sure if it's worth it though
chilly brook
Probably not
steel mauve
Not for 15 ilvls, the effect is pretty bad on it
scarlet blaze
sand egret
I'vve got it, why?
heady citrus
Man I've got like no motivation to play besides 1 +10 a week. 8.1 still far away.
astral crystal
yeah, im feeling the drag
heady citrus
Doing ap feels like waste of time. Easier just let catch up mechanic build each week.
terse oasis
my main is like.. 28, everyone else is ~25 because the 2 ilvls on the heart mean nothing, and after about 25-26 you can unlock any of the important traits
i just picked up the prot warrior though, cause it's the only tank I find fun to play.
sand egret
You don't get anything special for being Exalted with CoA right?
as far a your Necklace is concerned
junior ivy
I still haven't done a +10 for the week:(
astral crystal
lewd
primal crypt
😂
primal crypt
Gnomes dont have enough stamina
sand egret
sometimes you get savants, other times....the creatures of the night come crawling outta the woodwork
junior ivy
My old cotank in previous guild used to play a trump soundboard of him saying Hillary doesn't have the stamina, whenever I'd die
Cause my name is Hillary
sand egret
that's actually amazing
primal crypt
that's amazing
junior ivy
Yeah it was pretty funny hahah
dreamy stirrup
I still havent done a +10 in general lol
primal crypt
This week my group accidently got a 13
Just happened to pull really well in ML
Got a solid two chest
oblique garnet
Pugging +10s etc after weekend is always wild ride so you should try doing them in the night there are usually good players at that hour
sand egret
Language barrier may apply
sick sentinel
@manic sentinel you should use SB 3 times and then use LS so you will be able toto use SB 3 times afterwards
I am currently having fun spamming m+ LITERALLY all day
median jolt
How bad would it be to run devastator over booming voice? I havent played my warrior since tomb of sargeras and im not sure what i feel about using devastate again
uneven mason
Dex you won't be pressing devastate very often (like, 10%~ of the time)
that'll change in 8.1
stark sage
and with IP on the GCD you dont have time to hit deva anyways XD
random temple
hey guys, how different are m+ from legio
supple path
Isn't devastator actually better when you're gcd locked? Not that it's you know, good or anything.
random temple
are +10s still generally easy
random temple
it's not like they oneshot in +10
uneven mason
I Mean, don't just walk in expecting to timer if you haven't worked your way up
dusk locust
getting the weekly is a bit more technical but plenty doable
you need to know more about the dungeon now
supple path
You'll struggle to make the timer in most +10 pugs, but they aren't really actually challenging.
dusk locust
there are mechanics that if you don't know how they work, will kill you even on a key that isn't very high. like the third boss of temple of sethraliss
uneven mason
@random temple If you just want a 10 for completion, yeah you can do it, if you want to push keys, the timers are tight enough that it requires pre planning and fairly perfect execution
sand egret
BfA dungeons are designed to be more punishing
so mechanically, they are more demanding at higher keys as stuff compounds
so on the average pug, the ask is more
Legion was faceroll in comparison
uneven mason
Once you break into +10 you have an additional nasty to deal with, which requires almost universally either insane burst DPS or actual CC and planning
supple path
Especially since healers have way less ability to compensate for "everyone standing in stuff" now.
random temple
so BFA is basically seat of the triumvirate x10?
sand egret
(esp because tanks were basically autonomous)
uneven mason
AS a prot warrior, you also can't flipperhand through
median jolt
Oh so you dont need to cast devastate a lot anyway? Im asking with 8.1 ignore pain in consideration
sand egret
Classes rely on other party members more in a dungeon @random temple , so there is more pressure to execute on the party as a whole
uneven mason
the difference between takeing Devastator or taking BV and just not pressing Devastate
supple path
It's more about how good booming voice is than how bad devastator is.
uneven mason
is you gain less rage with Devastator
median jolt
Well thats a relief atleast
sand egret
the on demand rage is quite nice
median jolt
I really dont like devastate
uneven mason
You can literally just not press Devastate, and come out ahead as long as you're using DS On cooldown with BV
sand egret
I don't think many are a fan of it
supple path
Imagine if your DHT group wiped every time someone ran into an egg basically, @random temple. It's not like not running into eggs was hard, but...
sand egret
it's just I'm way more of a fan of the damage boost + rage
hushed cobalt
KR+10 and getting 2 stacks of bleeds from berserker because i thought stunning stopped the cast
uneven mason
at least at our current gear levels
sand egret
it delays it
uneven mason
RIP Tsar
median jolt
Idk if ive just played brew for to long. Procs dont interest me
sand egret
they'll always try and cast as soon as it detects someone in melee
uneven mason
If you've been playing BrM
sand egret
post Bloodied Leap
uneven mason
than you might find playing anything a bit of a challenge
Like, classes you have to press buttons on
or be alive
sand egret
or have a pulse
sand egret
at least you can RP being undead as BrM
median jolt
Nah ill cope. Ive had all tanks at max before i just didnt have time in bfa
uneven mason
You can RP being a drinking bird and a cast sequence key
sand egret
ok, and i'm done with the digs 😆
uneven mason
I'm not
hushed cobalt
The arms(who prots here and there) says "Farwell sweet prince"
Shield wall + LS made me survive it
uneven mason
Bleeds don't scare me
bad healers scare me
I take 4 stacks on Zul
Because swapping at 3
leads to a wipe
like a universal law
I have to take 4 stacks or we wipe
sand egret
I had a poor arms warrior get so frustrated because "i'm taking damage every pull"