want to do some 11-12 m+
#protection
outer dew
But tbf I had a 380 shield and now 385 with vectis
Your limitation won't be azerite pieces
Doesn't feel terrible
stuck geyser
so the fact that ill be using 2 370 peaces insteat of 2 385s wont be a big deal?
for possible 14-15 m+s?
outer dew
I mean, my ass isn't getting completely shoved in
There's always dicey pulls, but I've managed fine with just using my 370 pieces
Did a 14 WM and didn't time because I had a dps DC
oblique garnet
As long as you do the mechanics and use your mitigation properly you shouldnt die
outer dew
Having a healer is nice too
My rdruid understands he needs rolling hots on me, but doesn't need to bomb heal me unless I tell him I need something
oblique garnet
Well there was that one korean who didnt need any healers for wm +13
outer dew
Yea, but his dps had decent off healing and it was during explosive
We ain't getting free victory rushes anymore qq
raven kernel
its still a massive statement
try doing what he did on dh
Waycrest Manor Tyrannical Sanguine Explosive Infested
🤔 MDI
oblique garnet
Sounds fun
soft kindle
You have to pull specifically around sanguine, which makes the pulls terrible
similar in TD
Hate that shit
primal crypt
Sanguine really isn't that bad
Just pull back
Let your group know you're pulling back
I trained a bunch of monkeys to understand los
Took a while for them to understand I don't have grip
iron oxide
Hello, i want to try tanking, and i wonder if there is a web or addon for pulls or better mythic plus running
uneven mason
Method Dungeon Tools
learn it
love it
import premade strings
Be a pro, without the neckbeard
Also read all the guides on wowhead for M+
three times
especially what each trash pack does
knowing your pull 99% of M+
start low
don't think your ilvl has anything todo with what keys you can run
iron oxide
ok, il screencap all that, i have to make sure i dont fuck up since people alredy dont like warriors
uneven mason
perfect pulling on a +9 in 345 gear will beat a sloppy 375
Start with +4s at highest, when you can +2 and +3 those reliably
move up
slow gull
Don't ruin our good name
iron oxide
il try to bring the guild main tank to low m+, for extra coaching
uneven mason
prob a good idea
wanton blaze
the best advice you can have is to go with your group, stay away from the LFG pug tool
uneven mason
know what each class can do as well
and what classes interact
as a tank (and especially prot) building a comp you can work with for each dungeon is going to make a solid difference
wanton blaze
it will take some time to gather a few friends from the keys you run if you dont already have ready ppl
sick sentinel
guys
do we know anything
abiut new prot mastery?
is there any change on PTR server?
open bluff
It's been put back
open bluff
Likely they pushed PTR mid-iteration and then decided to go a different direction
Which led to it getting put back
So far yes, but nothing is final until 8.1 is live
sick sentinel
yea
sick sentinel
but I got 4 tanks for now
and it could be nice to know if its any sense to bother gearing prot warrior also 😄
signal plover
@dusk locust Zul down last night bb
dusk locust
yooo nice! we had a full night on him, but kind of have to make our own strat b/c we have 1 rogue
i think we settled on how we want to do p1
dusk locust
we're about 10 seconds short of beating 3rd crusher. other guilds who lack rogues stop dps on zul, kill 3rd crusher, then continue
so that's what we're gonna do
having just one more rogue woulda done it but he was mia
junior citrus
Howdy. I've been lurking these forums for a few weeks now looking for tips and tricks with my prot warrior alt. During this time my guild has fallen apart and the group of people i do m+ have decided to no longer run. I dont' suppose any of you are looking for a MW to run some m+ with? Not going to lie, my m+ score isn't the highest right now due to 0 shrine or underrot keys done above +4. I have successfully ran 10's and 11's though and think i can push higher with a good tank and some solid dps. Please shoot me a btag request if you'd be interested in running and i'd be happy to give it a shot. Here's my profile for anyone interested.... https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Peachsnâpple
brandon#15575
wind scroll
So i just dinged 120 on my warrior alt.. is there a place wher i can see trinket sims or anything like that to know what to go for?
dusk locust
@wind scroll best place to start is probably the icy veins prot war guide
wind scroll
that was my plan, i was just curious if there were somewhere with more frequently updated sims or information like bloodmallet and stuff ^^
but IV it is.
dusk locust
prot war doesn't have a sim written for it atm
and i don't think sims would make much sense for us anyway 😛
jagged bay
hey have a nice weekend everyone!:)
lusty grotto
@wind scroll no there is not
pins has a trinket guide for defensive trinkets
you too @jagged bay
jagged bay
😃
fair brook
Any release date yet for 8.1? Or know what event they'll announce at?
spice musk
The release will probably not before December
No Release Candidate no Mythic raid Tests yet
and 2 Class Reworks they announced still missing
astral crystal
8.1 could very well be released this year yeah
the raid doesn't open til 8.1.5 most likely
fair brook
They're going to announce at con, I don't know when though. I know some things have begun
sand egret
I'd bank on Jan
torn sun
they will either announce it today (7pm CET starts the ceremony) or on the wow what's next panel
sand egret
they basically have 1.5 months
since december doesn't really count as they have like two weeks off
it'll be a strong move to launch going into the holiday, but then you run the risk of not being able to respond to issues, something they are particularly acute to this time around
fair brook
Ya, good point.
I think it'd have to be week 1 of Dec or skip it and just do week 1 of Jan
torn sun
And then half the population of wow will fail their exams
😄
well half of the population that goes to school ofc
sand egret
I think it'll be new year patch drop then we'll see 8.1.5 in march
vagrant cape
So correct me if I'm wrong, but we won't be able to see footage of blizzcon panels without a virtual ticket or without waiting for the con to be over?
vagrant cape
Damn
tulip arch
The whole reason for the charge is to be able to view the non opening ceremony panels
frosty wedge
yeah, I got a ticket specifically for that
cinder nova
I like Blade's addendum
not legally...
Speaking of
Groundbreaking prot buffs happen yet?
sick sentinel
If you want to enjoy a product, you typically pay for it.
oblique garnet
@vagrant cape there probably is someone streaming blizzcon on less popular sites than twitch or maybe even on twitch on a low view channel
sick sentinel
That is business.
digital arrow
anyone following a good twitter feed with realtime updates from blizzcon panels?
lookin for some diablo news 🙏
also 8.1 news of course coughs
spice musk
@sand egret they lunched some Patches already in the first week in december
so it wouldnt be the first time
@digital arrow they already said they wont talk much about 8.1 more whats after this
finite quail
fair brook
I mean, I love my warrior, but personally I hope they don't buff us to S tier. I've just spent a month gearing up my DK... lol
vagrant cape
I always thought it was weird that blizzard is one of the only game companies that can get away with charging people to see what are essentially advertisements for their games
fair brook
Eh, people wear brand logos all the time. Every nike swoosh is an ad
vagrant cape
Right, but you don't pay people to look at their clothes
oblique garnet
Also with blizzards virtual ticket you get some ”loot” etc for their games
fair brook
No, but people pay to walk around as an advert
vagrant cape
They pay for the clothes and the Nike brand, advertising is a bonus for Nike. Blizzcon is, for all intents and purposes, paying to see blizzard advertise for their games and all you get is a few toys. It'd be like someone going into a Nike store and paying to watch a Nike commercial that is illegal to see for free and then getting a goodie bag for their trouble before going to buy new nikes when they come out next month
vagrant cape
If blizzard made blizzcon viewership free I'm sure they'd still make money since you know, it's a big fucking advert for their games and they don't lose any money for that. Still charge for the services and the game loot, of course, but I think they'd make more overall if they let people watch their commercials
They clearly know how to market if nothing else, so they have numbers to back up their decisions
dusk locust
i mean there's also tons of panels full of artists, etc
vagrant cape
I'm just flabbergasted that they can do this smsimply because their players are so loyal
digital arrow
its all about that "loot"
vagrant cape
Kauda, can you see those with a virtual ticket?
daring marlin
Should give real rewards for it.
digital arrow
lol late's quotations around loot
daring marlin
Like a level boost. snort
dusk locust
my understanding is you can see lots of panels. i've never bought one though
not all of them
vagrant cape
I'm unclear on the limits of the virtual ticket. From my understanding you could only see the big panels.
dusk locust
i mean it's still panels
digital arrow
yeah @daring marlin i'd like that better than cosmetics
vagrant cape
Ok, let me rephrase then: they should make their major announcement panels free to watch since they are the most advertisement-like things at blizzcon
oblique garnet
They could just do what other event organizers do
vagrant cape
People that still want to see the panels can buy their tickets and they rake it more money from all the free advertising
oblique garnet
Just run ads fulltime between all the intermissions
vagrant cape
They don't do that?
oblique garnet
I have no idea if they do that or not
Never bought a ticket
You can also probably see the inside views of blizzcon through streamers who have mediapass
vagrant cape
What's media pass?
oblique garnet
Basically permission to stream blizzcon from the inside
uneven mason
when there was such a thing
oblique garnet
Iirc asmongold was planning on streaming in blizzcon so you could probably get majority of the wow related stuff from him while seeing classic demo play
digital arrow
mediapass huh? sounds like i found my free stream
oblique garnet
Idk if he will actually do the irl type of vlogging or gameplay etc
sick sentinel
Assmongold, Esfand, Sodapoppin presumably streaming blizzcon
oblique garnet
Yeah esfand was streaming the wowhead party
daring marlin
mmoc always has updates as they come out during blizzcon so w/e lol
sand egret
Yeah, honestly Blizzcon is more about the act of going than the info itself. That shit gets posted real time anyway so if you're just looking for the info there's gonna be a bunch of live updates
sick sentinel
Our guildmaster bought a ticket and we are trying to make him stream it to us in a discord call
dusk locust
i'd love to go in person some year. i imagine getting a ticket is tough
sand egret
my work sends me, but it's stupid expensive
chilly brook
I mean I find it fun watching it real time even at home
Wadu hek what work
Sounds like a nice job lol
sand egret
I'm a QA analyst in the industry
astral crystal
i can only imagine the stench and the putrid intensification it accumulates as the days pass
chilly brook
Hahahhaha
sand egret
they wanted to send me this year....because everyone else said NOPE
so I sent my Junior instead
signal plover
Guys no lie, I got rly attached to my Crawg children during zul prog. Especially the first borns.
sick sentinel
2 tank for zul and 1 prot warr to pad?
chilly brook
I’m gonna miss tanking Uldir
dusk locust
i think it's 1 crawg tank 2 zul tanks
sick sentinel
Same thing
dusk locust
we were progging zul yesterday and i'm not sure if having a billion crawgs up is correct
lol
astral crystal
by the end you'll have a fair amount
most important part is to always have the crawgs on zul in p2
dusk locust
we don't have rogues
dusk locust
well we have like 1
astral crystal
monkaS
chilly brook
That’s a big oof
sick sentinel
FeelsBadMan
dusk locust
other guilds are killing it with 1 or 2 the strat just has to change
signal plover
Ya the pull count just goes up
dusk locust
well we have 30 pulls so far and i think we can consistently get to p2 with everyone up now
and no crushers
signal plover
We have a pocket BRM to go with our prot warr/pally meme setup
astral crystal
we did brm/prot warr/veng dh
dusk locust
you just have two tanks swapping zul right? and a 3rd tank full time crawgs?
signal plover
Ya I was full time Crawg dad
dusk locust
how many stacks are the zul tanks taking
sick sentinel
You don't know about meme setup until you have double prot warr
astral crystal
3
signal plover
The fun part is not using SB so the first set don't die
Or turning back to em
Babysit da keeds
sand egret
loool
never done the fight nor seen it, but man does that sound funny
is it for the rogue cheesing I keep hearing about?
signal plover
Ya
chilly brook
When you can have several of them doing almost 30k single target I mean it makes sense
Such a stupid class
Well really it’s not their fault
It’s just a stupid boss
sick sentinel
i play rogue and i do remember lots of people seeing M zul fight and writing in discord channel it either needs change or sub rogues will be to much for it
but blizzard missed the obvious sign of changing mechanics yet they are going to nerf sub rogue ST priority
sand egret
Shuriken Combo is a really neat niche ability, but when you're the only one that has it with a clear advantage then womp womp
oblique garnet
@vagrant cape Apparently you can watch all the panels with the ticket just have to switch what stage you are watching
sick sentinel
well yes it does scale insanely if you get 6+ targets yet it was really obvious thing that could happen and did happen
sick sentinel
if i was designer i would blame myself having such a spec that can do possibly 50k ST damage and yet making the mechanics around it
anyone with little knowledge of spec would saw that coming why do you think sub is really good in m+
sand egret
because rogues are solid and Infested is this seasons affix?
sand egret
i mean each niche has it's thing, in this case that ask is high and one subspec can deliver it
if suddenly whirlwind increased your ST instead of cleaving your abilities, you bet your ass you'd see more Fury
sick sentinel
there is a spec that can do 40k+ ST damage if you make the setup properly people will use it if its allowed
its obvious it was at least
sand egret
tbf, I'd call that creative use of mechanics
what sucks would be if they continue creating shit like this
aka soak mechanics of Legion
chilly brook
I mean rogue is useful for far more things utility wise than sub ST
Why did it autocorrect to useless 😑
sand egret
Rogues are strong
still sundial
Anybody know if simcraft will be updated for prot anytime soon?
chilly brook
I mean tricks and cloak is useful in raids
sand egret
uhhhh
sick sentinel
i dont see the point in that
chilly brook
A thing that has made them super useful in raids in the past
prisma crane
@still sundial if last xpac is any indicator, i wouldnt wait around for it
sick sentinel
its good yet not the reason you want a rogue specific in raids
chilly brook
Tomb of soakgeras disagreed
sand egret
self-dispel and immunity that allows you to maintain combat
limber wigeon
There's a lot of stuff that still needs fixed for simcraft to work well.
sick sentinel
not talking about feint talking about cloak
digital arrow
are rogues usually top melee st dps?
sick sentinel
feint was insanely strong
chilly brook
Feint still is strong
sick sentinel
cloak is a good defensive yes which helps yet hunters paladins can still do that for you
chilly brook
But cloak was a huge reason for their prevalence in tomb
sand egret
hunters can't attack
sick sentinel
it was feint tbh
still sundial
I didn't think so, but thought I'd ask. thanks @prisma crane
sick sentinel
it was buged and you could use it for every soak in kj and avatar
sand egret
hunters cant dispel it
sick sentinel
and you didnt toke damage
sand egret
paladins have a stupid long cd on theirs
chilly brook
All you’re telling me is more reasons why rogue utility is useful in raids
sick sentinel
then you are not reading properly
sand egret
I just think you're selling cloak way short
chilly brook
Stunnable adds getting a DPS boost to the group (Zek)
digital arrow
whoa whoa whoa
sand egret
oh shit yeah, that kidney shot buff
sand egret
what is it? 10%?
chilly brook
Something like that
sand egret
that's pretty insane
chilly brook
Negating mechanics with cloak has always been a thing
On demand aoe damage reduction is huge
Tricks can do a lot for making a fight easier if there are add spawns that need to come to someone and there isn’t a grip like crawgs
prisma crane
no worries @still sundial maybe some day...
sand egret
lockdown on stunnable mobs, ondemand silences
chilly brook
^
astral crystal
did i just read rogues have zero utility in raid
that's a big lul if i ever saw it
chilly brook
Yep lul
astral crystal
cloak and cd are pretty strong for negating mechanics
sand egret
do all rogue specs get crimson vial?
chilly brook
Yea
It’s just more of a thing for outlaw cuz it gets a buff iirc
It’s like if you wanna be a melee DPS you should be a rogue and if you wanna be a ranged you should be a warlock
Both of those are always in demand
chilly brook
Closets and portals and health stones are always in demand
sand egret
they're also sturdy as fuck
chilly brook
Yep
Might as well throw them in plate
Tfw the warlock is sturdier than the arms warrior
astral crystal
ye hunters are pretty good right now
lusty grotto
i wasn't aware of the rogue thing
i wonder why blizzard hasn't done anything about it
does it have to do with being an edge case?
astral crystal
like all feedback they've received since alpha, they just don't bother listening
digital arrow
alright imma learn rogue next
lusty grotto
rogues got absolutely no changes in PTR yeah? and they are still one of the best classes utility and damage wise for m+
not to mention the whole Zek + Zul thing
meanwhile everyone else gets a fucking nerf - albeit "reverted"
i wish blizzard would say what's warrior's "utility", and i'm talking about all specs here
honest to god their whole utility mindset was a mistake
chilly brook
I think warrior (specifically) prot should have a new niche carved out as the “support” tank
Aka we should have buffs or debuffs that no one else has that actually helps the group
astral crystal
isn't that pally?
lusty grotto
i was under the impression, that what warrior brought to the table as opposed to other classes was raw damage... but clearly that isn't the case
astral crystal
it's finally time for the Bard class
chilly brook
Damage boost for x seconds
astral crystal
instead of singing/playing an instrument, it's just shouting
chilly brook
Damage reduction for x seconds
lusty grotto
"YOUR DPS SUCKS, GET ON IT DAMN IT"
chilly brook
@astral crystal basically, RIFT had a tank spec called warlord and it was basically a bard in warrior form
lusty grotto
Blizzard: "battle shout is a damage increase buff" /sigh
chilly brook
Oof
I mean I think temporary buffs would be really cool and would actually be meaningful utility without stepping on anyone’s toes and asking for grip
It would also be a major reason to have a prot warrior in a raid
chilly brook
Utility is key in dungeons so if we wanna see a more diverse roster for MDI then we need to be more interesting
Across the board not just for prot
lusty grotto
yeah
i wanted to ask the panels something like that but i didn't submit any questions to wh or mmochamp because i doubted my question would be picked
something along the lines of "what do you think warrior brings to the table in both aspects of the game over other classes" or something more specific so they don't just answer "BATTLE SHOUT"
astral crystal
rallying cry is what they would say prob
solid mist
I mean. rallying cry is good, but it's not a general utility, it's an "shit just went sideways, so maybe this can help save us in conjunction with some other stuff" type of ability
spice musk
does anybody knows where i can find Strings for Prot Warrior for this addon: https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/azeritepowerweights
spice musk
na
i would love to see a new range class
problem what is missing in the WoW Reportoire
The only thing i can bring in is a tinker range class
cinder nova
Any of the Warcraft PRC
primal crypt
@spice musk no strings
Go check icyveins and pinned
All the info there what you should be running
primal crypt
Yeah
We have avatar
That's our utility
And fear
And shockwave
And...
Intervene??
prisma crane
those arent utilities
you could argue fear and shockwave
but they arent all that unique
and run into DR issues, killing value
heady citrus
who is ready for disapointment!
uneven mason
is it tuesday already?
astral crystal
disappointment over what
there's 0% chance they're announcing prot specific changes
and we already know most of what's coming in 8.1/8.1.5
sand egret
"Hey ya'll we told ya we weren't going to talk about 8.1.....because we're just talking about PROT!"
cut to whole panel exclusively about Prot
So, it was talked about a bit ago, but they really value Rallying Cry highly in terms of utiity
Mobility is technically another one via leap and charge
not arguing if its enough or good or what not, but those are in the "Arms" utility. While damage isn't specifically classified as "utlity" for DPS specs, the type of damage is. The case of Arms in specific is the strength of Sweeping Strikes (similar to Destruction's niche). Arms is to two target cleave as Sub is to multi-target tunneling
lusty grotto
😩
chilly brook
I mean not all utility is equal
And our “utility” is certainly not up to par with what is considered “needed” for m+ @sand egret especially when it’s filled by an arms warrior
strong forum
Why bring an arms warrior when you can bring havoc / rogue
chilly brook
It’s like giving a frost DK gore fiends
strong forum
Both deal more dmg
chilly brook
Because apparently rallying cry is our utility
median wigeon
Prot has aoe stun they took it away from arms and fury but that's just not nearly enough.
strong forum
There's many classes with aoe stuns
chilly brook
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
median wigeon
Just thinking about what prot brings that the dps specs dont
strong forum
There is legit no reason to bring a warrior into high m+ which is saddening
signal rune
What would lorewise be a utility warriors can bring?
chilly brook
What I just said
signal rune
Nah its lame.
chilly brook
Lol Wut
strong forum
Aoe taunt
chilly brook
Dropping a banner that give me the group say 10% increased damage for 10 seconds on a minute CD would be lame?
strong forum
I'd like the idea of aoe taunt even though it's not worth much if you're decent
signal rune
I'd say soemthing like roar: Assault Charge, you and your group gain X% speed for X second.
strong forum
I know its not needed
ember arrow
it cant be just taunt
median wigeon
Should just homogenize and give every tank a mob displacement. Maybe even give classes a M+ talent tree
chilly brook
Or one that reduces damage taken by 10% for x seconds is lame?
strong forum
But would fit lorewise
signal rune
It's a good idea but lorewise its weird.
chilly brook
How is it weird lorewise?
signal rune
Magical banners that reduce damage.
ember arrow
uhh
signal rune
Or buff damage.
chilly brook
Uhhh hello
signal rune
w/e
chilly brook
We shout at people to decrease the damage they deal
strong forum
"battleshout" magical shout that increases damage.
chilly brook
And increase our damage done
strong forum
Totally weird
signal rune
That's better imo.
signal rune
The shouts.
chilly brook
We stomp the ground and summon lightning
ember arrow
shout that increases dmg is nice
strong forum
Shouts is literally the same as banner
ember arrow
but banners arent
chilly brook
Banners are inspiring my guy
chilly brook
There’s a reason why militaries today still have individual unit patches and banners
strong forum
How is that magical
ember arrow
youre a wizard nomeratur
silk mortar
So a banner is more inspiring that shouting for the horde?
chilly brook
Because is espirit de corps
silk mortar
Or for the alliance?
chilly brook
It can be
silk mortar
Pfft
chilly brook
It symbolizes what you’re fighting for
silk mortar
Rather have sylvanas screaming >;)
strong forum
Exactly
chilly brook
It’s the embodiment of your unit
strong forum
Horde cuck
lusty grotto
HISS
silk mortar
Say horde cuck
lusty grotto
👊
chilly brook
Clearly you haven’t been a part of any team lol
chilly brook
You take pride in your image
sand egret
I was just point out the fact that it exists, not a comparative look at utility. That's why I simply said it wasn't a claim on good or enough
lusty grotto
i'm half alliance 😦
modern brook
whats it like bieng half retarded?
ember arrow
🤔
sand egret
so so
strong forum
Yeah go full alliance
ember arrow
silk mortar
Dont go alliance
strong forum
Horde is weakening you
silk mortar
Alliance may be cooler
strong forum
Cuz it's the mainstream shit to do
silk mortar
But horde needs you
sand egret
Do.Your.Part.
silk mortar
Thats when i decided alliance was cooler
chilly brook
Plus I’d rather have a huge banner being planted that’s a visual indicator of “oh shit it’s time to go ham” for the group than my character just putting his head back and yelling like he does for 4/12 spells in my spell book
chilly brook
🤦🏻♂️
ember arrow
okay, this is epic
sand egret
I should shout people back to life.
sand egret
YO GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE
modern brook
u ever get so inspired your polio went away?
chilly brook
Lawl
ember arrow
@sand egret https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226301753086181377/502120917254799389/2018-08-11_20-04-02.png
did someone say get your ass back here?
sand egret
where you get a pic of my warrior
chilly brook
This is getting disturbing
sand egret
I get poop fails and this image goes through....some shady shit Discord....
signal rune
Buff rallying cry and give a group sprint.
ember arrow
poop fails?
signal rune
That it.
ember arrow
like bears have?
signal rune
Yes like bears have.
chilly brook
Yea because we need to copy bears....
sand egret
it shows a poop when your image fails
ember arrow
@sand egret but this character is established in the gachi lore
chilly brook
@modern brook probably faction symbols
sand egret
I'm so confused
modern brook
IDK if you've played hots, but Varian has banners as a lvl 16 talent in them, one for Spell damage, movement, and armor for uhhh Dalaran.. Stormwind? and ironforge respectively
I figure making something similiar to that a talent row would be cool
signal rune
Warriors get no new skill/utility but they become the best facetanks. So for M+ you can have the option of taking a paper tank with utility or a trusted powerhouse that can take a fucking punch.
modern brook
but the faction split would make it weird
chilly brook
That’d be nice
modern brook
well not really
chilly brook
And we could even have a whole talent row dedicated to banners
chilly brook
Maybe we could have only one banner and you choose one of three depending on the fight
signal rune
Whole talent row dedicated to sigils.
chilly brook
Aka one is increased damage, one decreased damage and one is something else
Like oh I don’t know
signal rune
Taunt banner
signal rune
Makes more sense than BrMs statue
chilly brook
We don’t need an aoe taunt
signal rune
A banner that induces rage in mobs and they attack it.
chilly brook
Lol
ember arrow
indeed
chilly brook
Now you’re on board with the banners?
ember arrow
ideas on par with ion's
modern brook
I think its a circle jerk for himself containing only himself tbh
ember arrow
huh
signal rune
A banner that enrages enemies aka aoe taunt makes sense.
modern brook
no it doesnt lol.
signal rune
Yes it does.
chilly brook
Whether it makes Lore sense or not is irrelevant
signal rune
If i put a banner next to your house with a picture of me with a dick in your moms mouth would you tear it down?
yes you would
chilly brook
It’d be useless with out toolkit
chilly brook
Although I’ll just say this your interpretation of what makes sense lorewise and what doesn’t is questionable
To say the least
signal rune
Or a banner that increases damage would be good to.
It inspires the group.
It makes sense.
modern brook
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Kadorzar
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It's a good idea but lorewise its weird.
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Griff (Matt)
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How is it weird lorewise?
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Kadorzar
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Magical banners that reduce damage.
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Levko
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uhh
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Kadorzar
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Or buff damage.```yikes
signal rune
He convinced me.
modern brook
I wish stances made sense to have in wow
the concept is super cool but i have trouble coming up with an execution that doesnt just devolve into "do you have macros??"
ruby sapphire
Well stances were in the game at one point
ember arrow
yea
oblique garnet
I miss them
ember arrow
and we macroed them
modern brook
But they dont do anything
ruby sapphire
Ya they did
oblique garnet
They did alot
ruby sapphire
The arms talent does a lot
modern brook
Past being the stance you had to be in -> macro the stance i want to be in for said move
at which point
whats the difference between that and Literally any offensive /defensive cooldown?
ruby sapphire
It used to have a 3 second CD
modern brook
I mean it could have a 3 minute cd or a .25 second cd but at the end of the day the stances didnt do anything except bloat the rotation
ruby sapphire
It gave us something to do
modern brook
So does solitaire
ruby sapphire
I don't get your comparison
modern brook
Just cause you're pressing buttons doesnt mean its engaging in a given engine
ruby sapphire
It wasn't a benefit to tanking but it gave us a little damage increase while off tanking
ruby sapphire
It's not supposed to be
modern brook
yeah but its supposed to be fun.
Making a macro that puts you ind efensive stance and acrivates mitigation is no more interesting or engaging than just Activating mitigation
cinder pasture
Have you seen some of the people playing this game ? Hitting their abilities are complicated for some of them.....
modern brook
not having that macro bloats the rotation and makes it annoying to maintain
its a negative->neutral change
Like im not arguing against the IDEA of stances
But how its been implemented in the past, and how it can effectively be impletemented in a tab targeted mmo is really not interesting
ruby sapphire
I liked stances, but I liked banners more
modern brook
at least. as far as I've come up with
ruby sapphire
I don't think stance dancing had a place for prot anyways
modern brook
It definitely feels like more of an arms thing to me
cosmic cargo
modern brook
I've never played ff14
Didnt wanna spend money on two subs
ff14 didt have orcs
choice was simple
ruby sapphire
I think it'd be cool to have banners give tertiary stats and you pick them before the fight and can't be changed in combat. Give us a reason to be there.
Ff14 felt clunky to me
Like the animations and stuff
modern brook
fuck that
If we're getting banners give us a 10 min cooldown for mainstat
Bannerism / bannerlust :pogchamp:
thorn yarrow
nice
chilly brook
looks freaking amazing
It's in german cuz I can't find the english one but here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNt2wQe3p1o
sick sentinel
I'll take this WC3 since blizzard refuses to delete wow classic live on stream
undone forge
hey guys. gearing my 2nd spec right now (prot). got a 370 chest without defeaning crash, but my current chest is the only azerite item with defeaning crash. do the 30 ilvl outweight the trait or is the trait still better than 30 ilvl?
hot locust
Keep DC.
austere oar
not the duration, but keep the 370 chest in your bags in case you drop a DC somewhere else
undone forge
yeah definitely
uneven mason
I've been collecting Azerite gear like its 2004 and its all got FR on it
dusk locust
for that inevitable moment where we find out old azerite gear scraps for currency? 😛
uneven mason
^^^
My wife was like "why do you collect that crap"
and I'm like "Because they ahve a dartboard in the breakroom with all the traits written on it
"Every week they fucking throw 5 darts for buffs and 5 darts for nerfs, so, just incase"
dusk locust
~1/3 of my bank last expansion was full of comperable ilvl gear that i kept just in case secondary stat weights took a sudden violent turn, or certain trinkets radically changed
sand egret
ooo that Kul Tiran racial
brittle timber
LOL...Haymaker is exactly what i wish we would get as warriors.
brittle timber
I kinda want us to get something from the heroes of the storm warriors
varian banners, haymaker, or let's be crazy and do a garrosh throw
ember arrow
banners would be good aye
but how effective would they be in an environment where youre constantly on the move?
edgy mango
sick sentinel
GOD DAMNIT, THAT KEY I DID LAST NIGHT WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T PUGS WAS A HIGHER KEY THAN WHAT I ALREADY HAD
This cannot continue, I cant have my .io tainted like this
lusty grotto
Living up to your nickname, right on!
sick sentinel
Im so mad
Im so fucking mad, now i cant show that I got top spot without ever using discord or using a group of people
that are randos
supple path
Sounds like someone has to pug a key that's even higher.
scenic seal
prot lost charge?
lusty grotto
intervene = charge
scenic seal
wait did we have charge in legion?
lusty grotto
no
we had intervene
its the same thing really
except you can use it on people as well
can't wait until people try to charge in combat in classic lol
"oh no, i have to stance dance to intercept"
thorn yarrow
tbh I cant wait to see hunters an warriors alike get rekt by the dead zone
gentle badge
with the changes u guys think that warrior can be a good tank for m+ instead DK
frosty wedge
instead? no
but we're going to be tankier and our dmg is nuts
but we're going to be a little more solid
gentle badge
i'm starting to tank as warrior, theres anyway to selfheal now that we dont have the legendary bracer anymore?
any azerite trait
frosty wedge
no Kugan
gentle badge
thats sad =/ i was trying to help some friends on expedition as a tank but i cant heal
frosty wedge
you get victory rush :p
brittle timber
well there is azerite veins, impassive visage....sort of resounding protection
frosty wedge
right, just no on demand healing
sand egret
last stand counts right? 😆
brittle timber
Bloodsport in pretty low damage situations
orchid gulch
You could spec into Impending Victory for all it'd do but that's extremely niche
Aside of that there's nothing
brittle timber
oh...didn't notice that they nerfed victory rush/buffed impending victory awhile ago
brittle timber
yea, the island orbs are amazing...they even rez...learned that only last week
lusty grotto
yup
victory rush should pop like mad too if you're bootyclapping
i dont feel i need extra heals when doing so
carried several people that way in island exps, and plvld a few friends as well when pulling most of the island
brittle timber
oh damn did i hate Impending Victory when it cut the victory rush heal in half
astral crystal
@junior ivy hope you're going mechagnome
astral crystal
they're mobs in a new dungeon, possibly a new allied race down the line
junior ivy
IS THERE NEW HERITAGE ARMOR OR SOMETHING
merry cave
Haymaker - Haul off and punch an enemy, stunning and knocking them back.
Kind of annoyed that's a racial and not ravager replacement
sand egret
@junior ivy not a new race, that's a new dungeon (8 boss mythic only one, prob like Kara). heritage armor tho
those are the new models of stuff in there
oblique garnet
Oh wow you get to play classic if you have active sub when its released?
oblique garnet
Thats suspicious
sand egret
meh, it's how you get people to maintain subs without getting flack from people who play both
oblique garnet
Ye but it sounds too good to be true
sand egret
don't worry all the shitty stuff went square into Diablo territory
WoW seemed pretty spared thus far
Diablo Immortal trailer on track to be the most downvoted game trailer in history
sand egret
laya
last I checked it was 2k likes and 72k dislikes
legit got boo'd by the crowd. At blizzcon.
sand egret
but this is how video game communities work
self-hype > get disappointed because your own dreams didn't happen > Get mad that they didn't do the thing you wanted
in this case it was RAMPANT speculation on D4, like OMG A JOB POSTING CONFIRMED!
so much so that Blizz literally had to make a statement to temper this.
It's the same shit that happened to No Man's Sky at launch
and it's not like they're even really making it
NetEase is
sand egret
it isn't
oblique garnet
Entirely different situation
junior ivy
or is the whgole thing going mobile?
sand egret
people see it as THIS OR THAT
oblique garnet
No mans sky promised things that didnt exist
sand egret
i think it looks great, and new and fun
oblique garnet
Iirc blizzard didnt make any promises
sand egret
No Man's Sky was a dev saying a thing off-hand, actually
because they were speculating at the time what they could/wanted to do
sand egret
in pre-pro
which in speculation tbh, but the issue is that the face of the game said it
hence why you got tight lipped Blizz not talking about stuff they're working on etc.
but regardless, people definitely wanted something for the PC and Blizzard didn't offer any of that. Totally get why people got salty. After all the game has been stagnant for a while in an age where similar games like PoE are crushing it
PR/Marketing fail, imho
oblique garnet
Never expected anything from diablo given the time difference between d2 & 3
junior ivy
whats this aboutr getting destiny 2 free?
daring marlin
Disappointed!
They pulled an ubishit.
Like they did with For Honor.
PLAY OUR GAME PLEASE
junior ivy
how do i get destiny 2 for free?
cold dragon
Restart battle net and claim the gif t
austere oar
let's make a mmorpg game with dungeons and raids but give it no chat, no looking for group tool and ppl will have to create raiding groups using our mobile app
what can go wrong
austere oar
yeah but I mean when I played it, you couldnt interact between players, no general chat in the city hub etc
sand egret
well, the other NetEase titles (which is basically what they reskinned for this) do
but yeah
austere oar
you cant even whisper other players
austere oar
Yeah it pretty much is tbh, but the severe lack of interaction and other things makes it infuriating to play
you can have a guild but you cant talk with them in game
sand egret
well, let's hope they improve on that, knowing the weight of the IP 😃
it's integrated into the bnet client
so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a meta-chat function like in HS
sand egret
it's been in the works for 10
the heck you talkin about
lol
this predates that shit
austere oar
I mean the lack of ingame chat in game at launch
austere oar
the lack of a group creating tool for raiding at launch for a mmorpg ^^
sand egret
but yeah, they do have Blizzard to deal with so I kinda at least expect a certain bar to be raised
scenic seal
Icy veins guide says the beginner prot should take anger management over heavy repercussions. Is HR more dmg mitigation and dmg overall if u cancjuggle it
sand egret
AM's power comes from allowing your other cds to come up
it just out....shines it
sorry, I had to
scenic seal
So its suggested even for more advanced tanks? I was thinking with lower cds itd be better overall but wouldn't pull to pull basis be more in favor of HR
lusty grotto
yep
scenic seal
Ok. Ez enuf
lusty grotto
AM is pretty much mandatory
scenic seal
What about stormbolt? The 15 sec reduction on shockwave is nice for 3x targets but is it helpful to have 2nd stun for cc in m+
sand egret
the big picture is that from pull to pull you now have all your shit up. Every. Pull.
I prefer Storm Bolt
lusty grotto
stormbolt tier is whatever you need
scenic seal
I'm used to SB as arms and I'm hesitant on dropping it
frosty wedge
I always go stormbolt
scenic seal
Tru
sand egret
- Rumbling Earth loses effectiveness the moment you have another AoE stun (diminishing returns) and it's usually up every pull anyway.
so i like the extra ranged stun
but it's very much a personal pref thing
I started with RE, switched, and honestly never looked back
scenic seal
Gonna spamheroics later even tho I'm overgeared. I'll let u know my first impression 🙏
junior ivy
so shoul;d i play destiny 2?
tiny sphinx
only if you don't value life at all
scenic seal
D2 is ass but you should try it since its free
sand egret
Forsaken is sweet imho and they did a lot for that game
the gunplay is fucking wonderful
but that's just Destiny in general.
sand egret
and uh....you may wanna grab it because they will most likely do a Black Friday thing with Forsaken + December expansion
tiny sphinx
i liked diablo 2 too
scenic seal
I applied to a guild 8/8 heroic and starting mythic as arms but dude said if I learn prot I'd have a guaranteed spot. Coming from a brewmaster tank to prot I'm assuming its more interactive?
daring marlin
good meme guy
lusty grotto
way less room for error sunshine
sand egret
it's like the literal opposite
lusty grotto
bar none room for error
strong forum
so ive used 370 lingering sporepod on 2 dungeons it healed like 700k and does 50% overhealing... idk if thats worth
lusty grotto
ack not this convo again
strong forum
might only be decent on high keys
sand egret
or in a situation you're rarely topped (which is why our Korean dude probably rocked it)
strong forum
like i said, high keys
sand egret
or no healers 😃
scenic seal
Lol yeah I'm aware of prots state but I've always liked warrior over other tanks. Brewmaster is just so resident sleeper
sand egret
or in his case...both haha
well Prot can feel very rewarding to play if done well and is very punishing if not
so if that sounds up your alley then, welcome!
austere oar
to most of our lvl (not high end prog top world) every class is playable
but some are stronger than others, tho it doesn't mean you can't play the rest
austere oar
Maybe I missed some infos, what's done to prot war mastery on PTR yet ?
was it deleted or smthng ?
daring marlin
Nope.
austere oar
they didn't touch it at all ?
austere oar
oh alright, thanks
lusty grotto
yup
merry cave
At least if theres no good prot changes 8.1 zandalari paally will be fun lol
daring marlin
The changes are good and they're in the pins.
primal crypt
Man....we got some work cut out for us
coming across these random warriors in que
absolute trash tier
primal crypt
complaining that they dont get into mythic 0
chilly brook
There’s plenty of time for more changes
primal crypt
at 365 or something
cinder nova
@chilly brook don't lie to yourself.
That exact outlook is the naïveté that people espoused during alpha.
During beta
And look! — we still have Ravager :^)
primal crypt
this guy was using his pathing in Atal
proceeds to pull the entire left side of the dungeon
to start
with all the confessors....
chilly brook
@cinder nova I’m not saying that we’re going to get a change all I’m saying is there is still time for them to add
cinder nova
There was a lot more time than they have now to make Prot not a goofy mess with 2/3rds of our talents dead choices
I wouldn't hold your breath on any changes, you might suffocate my dude.
And we can't self-heal so that damage is permanent.
sick sentinel
well I have seen pug prot warriors run indom and HR
chilly brook
And they’re clearly still making changes
sick sentinel
while trying to gear my rogue
chilly brook
Hence lores statement of reverting arms and a few other classes next ptu patch
primal crypt
@sick sentinel yeah, but that's during gearing
Would be worse if they were like that in m+
merry cave
saying the changes are good isnt exactly true
the blocking physical is good, but theres nothing to offset the DC nerf at all
chilly brook
I mean another 5% EHP buff is a decent offset
Not perfect but it’s decent
If we saw an IP buff it’d be a good trade
merry cave
In raids its ok, in M+ the armour isnt gonna help with what normally ruins wars
merry cave
same issue though, regarding m+ shield block uptime isnt an issue nor is physical damage deaths
its the things extended DS helped with such as magic bursts and ranged (altho that should be fixed)
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Still have more tools to deal with magic than most
And an HP buff will help with unmitigated damage
I doubt we’ll be worse off
You might just have to be smarter on DS usage on mobs
merry cave
Short of IP buff we'll be lucky to break even tbh
raids probably better though
probably come down to the mastery change or whether theyt run out of time like beta and just give us the current one
daring marlin
It's never enough
chilly brook
I think you’re underestimating the vanguard buffs tbh, it’s only going to get better the higher gear we get
And yes I understand that doesn’t equal raw mitigation for magic
onyx vessel
Nice
chilly brook
But it does mean we’re not as punished for not mitigating magic
daring marlin
Why would you think that?
chilly brook
I mean SR isn’t “bad” the only crappy thing is that it doesn’t last the full duration of it reflects a spell
And no
onyx vessel
Damn
chilly brook
People just speculated that they were because the tooltip disappeared because they were doing database changes
chilly brook
This is the only thing they said to us
onyx vessel
Not 50 like legion
merry cave
The truth is unless we get some real good utility were alwayts gonna be a low to low-mid teir m+ tank anyway
daring marlin
lol.
austere oar
dont worry about the loss of tier set bonuses you'll have new azerite traits to personalize your gameplay