yea but
#protection
prisma crane
let's look here
Uldir
tanks
heals
one looks a bit less one sided than the other...
and it's likely because one matters more than the other
so they can swap to w/e they want
neon tangle
"Why is this? A few reasons, but first I’d like to explore one of the common responses to this tank meta. I’ve seen several people suggest that DK representation is high because DKs were incredibly good in Legion so most of the good tanks in the game had already switched to DK, and seeing no reason to swap classes in BFA, they’ve simply stayed on their DK. I can understand this line of reasoning and might even buy into somewhat were it not significantly refuted by the current healer meta. Paladins and druids accounted for 95% (!!) of all keys done above +26 in 7.3.5, so saying that “everyone played played pally or druid” in Legion is almost literally true. Both of those specs are still strong in M+ in BFA, and if you wanted to be competitive in M+ there is no reason to swap off those classes currently. And yet what has happened to paladin and druid representation? Combined they now account for roughly 37% of keys +15 and above. Disc is now the most-played spec in +15 and above keys, and Mistweaver has a healthy showing at 15.5%. The healer meta shows very clearly that even if a class stayed strong between Legion and BFA, people were willing to switch to another class in large numbers. And yet DK has remained the titan of tanks. So whatever it is that’s keeping tanks on their DKs, it isn’t class inertia."
^^^^ from Jdotb
I guess my point is, imbalance is probably the issue, not people sticking with their old mains
prisma crane
that's looking exclusively at M+
and no healer has a "mass grip" level of ability
one that's impossible to tune around
so yea, imbalance in a way, but more imbalance in toolkit, not numbers
neon tangle
I also suspect that with the exception of BrM a lot of the tank parses are a reflection of how good they were in m+ to start with 😛
junior ivy
so a friend told me there were no prot warrior changes in 8.1 patch notes
neon tangle
BrM being broken in a way that people played / geared it regardless
daring marlin
Mass grip is so much better now too
than in legion
with all the ranged dicks
lolwat
Prot is getting buffed out the ass
check the pins
prisma crane
^ no
daring marlin
WUT
junior ivy
what
prisma crane
buffed out the ass... right
daring marlin
yep
prisma crane
we're getting buffed
daring marlin
blocking ranged attacks is massive
prisma crane
minor at best apart from SB ranged attacks
oblique garnet
It was the most recent changes to specs
prisma crane
that's not buffed out the ass though
oblique garnet
So there was no changes to prot
prisma crane
that just fixes a problem we shouldnt have had in teh first place
because it only affected us adversely in the first place
prisma crane
accompanied by a DC cap
daring marlin
who cares
prisma crane
which does offset a lot of it
daring marlin
fuck dc
sacred roost
I care, dc was a huge thing, stacked with avatarr
prisma crane
you know those casters that also crush us?
the DC nerf is a nerf to us when it comes to that damage
overall we're buffed
but buffed out the ass is a bit of an exaggeration
waxen cradle
Honestly how surprised were people really I for one long expected a nerf to DC to be on the way and any buffs at all we received we were bound to get nerfed somewhere else
daring marlin
I’ve said since the start that when 8.1 rolls around they were either gonna remove or gut DC. It doesn’t feel good to open a chest and not get DC.
I hate asserite.
waxen cradle
I would rather it get nerfed now than they leave it as it was and it be hit with a sledgehammer later and become useless or near it
Does it suck well of course it does, but I am just glad it did not get hit even harder then that
neon tangle
Pretty much, the nerf was gonna happen for 8.1 either way
their hands are sorta tied for this tier regardless tho, can't really nerf us in our current state
prisma crane
dont worry, start of next tier will come with a change to our K value as well
neon tangle
is that... good or bad?
prisma crane
it's an instant nerf
that'll eventually balance out with new gear
but what's shitty about it is that it affects previous content too
so say we block 47% of dmg on Ghuun now, it'll drop to some lower value with teh same gear on when the K changes
neon tangle
oh, wacky, I would have assumed that it would just go up for the new dungeons
prisma crane
granted it's old content, so in raids who cares, but in M+ it'll matter, but hopefully only temporary
timid jay
Fwiw, I doubt they will change K value for current content
The way its set up it'll only matter for m+ and new raids
prisma crane
you think it'll be target dynamic?
timid jay
Unless they go full retard
Its already target dynamic, different K values for raid difficulties, world content and m+
prisma crane
ah, ok fair enough then
timid jay
Could dig up the current values if you care about it
prisma crane
still will affect us in a +10 now vs then for example
prisma crane
but again, it's temporary, and sometimes new seasons come with retunes anyways
neon tangle
+10 is gonna be harder regardless, right? don't they bump up all the stuff
timid jay
Yeah they did in legion at least
prisma crane
but double harder for us then
timid jay
Goes for all tanks though
prisma crane
at least initially
timid jay
Since K values affects armor
neon tangle
hunh?
prisma crane
but our AM is affected as well
timid jay
They changed all AM's to be armor now
neon tangle
same for pallies, and stuff
timid jay
SoTR for example is a flat armor buff
prisma crane
ok at least there's that
timid jay
Same for ironfur, bone shield and shit
prisma crane
then disregard my concerns there
neon tangle
DK might be a little weird, since they rely on DS so much which scales w/ the damage you take
timid jay
Base: 6300
M/M+: 7100.1
Uldir-normal: 7736.4
Uldir-heroc: 8467.2
Uldir-mythic: 9311.4```Current K values
neon tangle
but no worries, DK will win regardless of K value
ember arrow
waa waa
neon tangle
hi @ember arrow
ember arrow
sup
timid jay
But yeah, my view on it is that balance of M+ wont really change
Unless theres different balance changes, a increase in K value should be a nerf to all tanks in the same way
ember arrow
cosmo
timid jay
Levko
ember arrow
daily reminder of the good days
stone crag
hmmm
ember arrow
😦
signal rune
8.1 when
timid jay
I've made my stance clear on BfA though
ember arrow
which
timid jay
Its hot garbage
stone crag
uninstalled
timid jay
^
ember arrow
ahh
timid jay
Hence why I lost my colour
ember arrow
well i thought something taht wasnt obvious
timid jay
👏
ember arrow
😉
i doubt 8.1 will change anything
the few good choices wont outweigh the terrible class design
if classes arent fun to play, all content is pointless
stone crag
indeed
neon tangle
Maybe DK will go from 60% -> 50% of high keys w/ that bonestorm nerf
sacred roost
classes aren't fun to play if noone takes em to content
neon tangle
I should have added a /s to that one
ember arrow
also
8.1 "adds" content that shudve been there from the start
azerite gear vendors, its not like they deserve a pat on the back for it
timid jay
Azerite gear is big lul
stone crag
8.1 "fixes" specs as they should be from launch
sacred roost
I'd rather have set gear.
stone crag
no one does, not even blizzard
sacred roost
yeah, it's called FFXIV 😃
neon tangle
I think azerite would have been fine if 1. it was balanced, and 2. if you could get azerite from m+
sick sentinel
Big yikes my guy
ember arrow
anime
neon tangle
The vendor is nice, but it feels more like insurance against future horrible balancing of traits
ember arrow
the thing is
azerite replaces tiersets and leggos
and doesnt do either justice
let alone both
daring marlin
NOPE
timid jay
Dont forget weapons
neon tangle
Also I wouldn't have minded just tier sets back
neon tangle
yo you can customize it's level
ember arrow
u cant even click it
neon tangle
by grinding more azerite
ember arrow
i customize my character level too
when leveling
getting a trait, replacing armor piece, thne farming AP for same trait
nice
timid jay
But
ember arrow
wait
timid jay
Its stronger now
neon tangle
I still wish they would have just brought back glyphs
timid jay
Is lala the only active prot SF now?
astral crystal
cosmo are you still playing WoW?
neon tangle
maybe make them items you can socket in to your heart of azeroth
astral crystal
damn
timid jay
If he has the same frequency I wouldnt call him active
timid jay
Glory days of me and Thyme racing to answer questions
ember arrow
😦
daring marlin
good guy thyme
timid jay
Blizz made sure to kill that
stone crag
no fun allowed
ember arrow
not the game
timid jay
oh right
ember arrow
bfa is same quality as legion
timid jay
I dont understand their grand scheme
ember arrow
ppl quit for other reasons
daring marlin
idk I quit at the start of legion for a bit and came back to it being significantly better
though legion launch was just
so much better than this
LOL
stone crag
easily
ember arrow
the problem isnt the launch even
like
its the bigger things
class design, artifact
timid jay
I dont see any future for azerite gear
astral crystal
azerite armor is just bad, a junk system they should've scrapped
daring marlin
and legendaries would have been so much less irritating if they had the thing they added in BFA prepatch
astral crystal
and honestly i liked the legendary grind
ember arrow
they literally made a scrapper to incinerate the fountains of garbage loot u get
go figure
timid jay
I didnt mind it once NH was out
astral crystal
and the AP grind for traits early on
ember arrow
farming leggos was a way to incentivize doing m+
why do m+ now
it gives no AP
nothing u can farm
ember arrow
u can always push keys ofc
daring marlin
no leggos
ember arrow
but theres nothing beyond
astral crystal
fish for lucky titanforges and imaginary internet points
daring marlin
meh I'd rather do cathedral a billion times than these asinine dungeons
daring marlin
I liked it
timid jay
MoS
daring marlin
It was pretty gross at launch
ember arrow
they nerfed boss abilities by 90%
timid jay
Never foregetti
cosmic cargo
i miss SR on the second to last boss of CoEN
daring marlin
for sure
ember arrow
man i love this, preaching to the choir
cosmic cargo
and seeing him lose a chunk of his hp
ember arrow
best kind of preaching
timid jay
I liked legion dungeons better
timid jay
Though its probably coloured by better class design
daring marlin
@timid jay same bro
cosmic cargo
i prefered legion ones a lot too
astral crystal
i cant not love ataldazar and freehold honestly
ember arrow
fortified arcway on prot>bfa
timid jay
That one week before the damage nerfs
cosmic cargo
i don't like freehold tbh
timid jay
Double damage of a DPS in m+
ember arrow
last day of artifacts, before they removed traits, i literally cast my dk/prot ability last time
and logged out
after that thigns werent the same
😦
next xpac, level to 130
no new talents
timid jay
Nono
astral crystal
the now new talents at this point is just jarring and ridiculous
timid jay
Lose a talent once you reach 130
ember arrow
DECISIONS
timid jay
Have to select 1 tier you cant get a talent from
ember arrow
engine cant handle more talent rows
i also dont like how most bosses dont do anything to tank except melee
i enjoyed memebosses like yrmiron and hyrja
or reflecting corstillax stun in arcway
he stunning himself
timid jay
How often did you actually get to do that one though
chrome falcon
i also enjoyed the bosses that 1 shot everyone but us
timid jay
Only targets tanks if everyone is dead
ember arrow
u had to have sets
avoidance
u felt like a tank
if everyone becomes untargetable
he did on tank i believe
sand egret
When you ask the Rogue pulling for you in WM to use at least use Tricks when he does it....
ember arrow
iceblock etc
cosmic cargo
it's called retard sarcasm
sand egret
I mean, he was 100% being a sarcastic ass
cosmic cargo
^
ember arrow
oh ok, i jsut read first sentence
sand egret
anyway I'd thought I'd share that lil' tidbit
ember arrow
most ofthe ppl i did m+ with i met in pugs
but when u sign up for 20+ keys u generally didnt get shitters
generally
sand egret
guy also told me to to pull the Goliath into the flames....like why bruh
it's a +7 at 30 stacks. =/
even the healer was like hell naw
cosmic cargo
because he hates the healer
sand egret
haha the healer immediately was like NOOOO
sand egret
it's the ghosts
ember arrow
oh the ghosts do things?
sand egret
per stack a ghost is released that cant be aggroed
and just run after shit and beat them
cosmic cargo
the ghosts chase the healer
ember arrow
i member them "lost aggro" but hthey were untargetable
cosmic cargo
and hit them
wild spear
Is 110-120 as Prot a waste of time?
sand egret
so the ghost just run after the poor healer and shit
cosmic cargo
you'll prob leveling slightly faster as dps
ember arrow
what do you mean?
cosmic cargo
i assume fury would be best at it
sand egret
either way, I wasn't anywhere close to dying so I thought it was funny
I liked Fury
leveling
lot more self-healing
wild spear
If it's not a significant difference, I'll just stick with Prot.
cosmic cargo
prob not huge
reef fulcrum
I always level as prot, didn't have any problems this expansion
daring marlin
what a rebel
cosmic cargo
that reminds me, i always heard dks recommending blood for leveling
sand egret
what can I say, I got a hot streak
cosmic cargo
it's so painfully slow compared to uh it's not even funny
sand egret
well it's because you can pull the whole zone
cosmic cargo
uh aoe is absolutely broken
sand egret
but I can imagine you can do the same with UH in cases but yeah
cosmic cargo
islands sure
sand egret
island aggro
ember arrow
islands
daring marlin
I need to just buy the blue firelands pally recolor
ember arrow
another great addition to wow
daring marlin
that shit is gorgeous
sand egret
idk, I leveled as prot myself for a while
cosmic cargo
just like warfronts 😃 @ember arrow
sand egret
was perty easy
daring marlin
I leveled as arms
cosmic cargo
don't you love being a moba minion?
daring marlin
kinda sucked as a fresh 110 cuz I leveled a void elf
cosmic cargo
i've been saying it since beta
ember arrow
at least i can afk
cosmic cargo
that it's how warfronts feel
ember arrow
and get free loot
cosmic cargo
you can't truly afk anymore
cosmic cargo
if you get the afk tag you get insta booted
ember arrow
no i just move mouse every 3 min
daring marlin
bruh
ember arrow
but i watych yt
ember arrow
since u physically cant loose warfronts, theres no feeling of accomplishment
same with TF system
daring marlin
tfw scenarios were better than island expos and warfronts
wewie
It's ok though boys
we have more on the way
HAVE FUN
ember arrow
blizzards master plan
daring marlin
shovel more garbage our way?
ember arrow
"losing millions of subs experiment gone wrong"
timid jay
They are going to need a bigger shovel
ember arrow
"adding shit that should've been from the start"
unrelated
also
why do 30% of wq give resourves
so i can do 70 gold missions?
daring marlin
It wasn't ludicrous like in WoD
ember arrow
it gave like 3k gold per mission, some pets, mount even
daring marlin
the passive gold gen got crazy but you had some walls to get past for that
at the end anyway
ember arrow
the thing is they werent completely worthless
ember arrow
if bfa came before legion it would makje sense
legion improving on it
etc etc etc
liek everything else
daring marlin
another avenue to shovel garbage at us
ember arrow
imagine legion we had this neck
then gettign artifacts
"holy shit, we can mog it now, good traits"
daring marlin
another awesome part of BFA
cosmic cargo
i honestly thing wod was a lot better than bfa
daring marlin
No more class sets b o y s
cosmic cargo
the only thing that's better over wod is m+
cosmic cargo
wod had some of my favorite classes
cosmic cargo
the new raid tier isn't bad
daring marlin
the rest is poopoo
cosmic cargo
but the uldir one sucks
daring marlin
yeah the bones are cool
cosmic cargo
i'd use that shit on an orc for example
oblique garnet
Can you link the new plate set
cosmic cargo
if you scroll enough on wowhead or mmochamp you'll find it
been a while since i saw it
cosmic cargo
be like me
play different spec each tier
so when you get bored of something
you got something new
ember arrow
why cant u use leggos like aggramars with warmode off outside of bfa zones?
WHY NOT
thing is zeppe
i only care for prot and bdk
if tanking sucks i wont play wow
simple
cosmic cargo
i likely won't main my prot pala in 8.1
fickle geyser
are u saying tanking doesnt suck now?
fickle geyser
ah
cosmic cargo
pala without sera feels eh
ember arrow
dk can make others go very fast towards u
thats fun
bear is boring, monk is boring
not even how good either is, i played prot in nh
i managed
quiet crane
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure only monk has the 50% movement speed increased taunt
cosmic cargo
try vengeance?
quiet crane
Ahh well that’s fair
cosmic cargo
oh right you're one of those people who hates the master race
quiet crane
Doesn’t work with boss positioning though
quiet crane
But that grip in mythic plus is just to good
ember arrow
i imagined look liek this
cosmic cargo
LMAO
ember arrow
well thats good and all
but idc about lore
so i didnt know that
then they looked like shit in my eyes before
adjusted my stance
also, i acknowledge belf is best race for m+
but i hate how they look
cosmic cargo
make an alli dh for thicc elf then
ember arrow
yes
thelf
but then i must play wow
so i level dh for the privilege of doing bfa content?
cosmic cargo
ofc 
ember arrow
epic
cosmic cargo
god the lack of emotes here sucks
ember arrow
has many uses
cosmic cargo
yes
ember arrow
its an ambiguous emote
ember arrow
oh
speaking of allied races
reskinned existing ones
grind rep, so u can level for 56 years with new scaling
ember arrow
i like it if i wouldnt have done all quests already
but since i have seen all the old content, its a pointless waste of time, since it doesnt prepare nor teach u anything abotu end game
and now it just takes longer
daring marlin
yeah it's crap
ember arrow
it definitely got harder, only noticeable in dungeons, but thats irrelevant
since level 1-119 arent suppsoed to be relvant content
rain dune
Hey guys - first upgrade question in awhile for me. Should I replace my blockades with a 385 Disc with a socket?
cinder nova
Is there a way to make it so my details only shows me?
sick sentinel
Like, yeah blockade is good, but that's because everything else is shit
cinder nova
Or at least shows me on top always so I don't have to scroll halfway through my DPS
sick sentinel
Make the details thing bigger
sick sentinel
Do more deeps
So you are at the top
Easy
@ember arrow I am pretty sure there are enough toys in the game that you will not have to be a belf for the majority of the time
final mist
@cinder nova There is an option to always show you. I have mine set up that way.
Ex. Mine shows top 10, but it'll shove me "into" the 10th place spot, with my actual ranking and whatever DPS I'm doing, etc.
sand egret
speaking of which, do ya'll have any useful skews/views in details to get some good analysis. I just found out where to get uptime and stuff which was fun
sand egret
Since I don't really raid, I don't have many logs and stuff to look at
sick sentinel
I have 3 details windows open at all times
sand egret
It also helps me validate when it's a "me thing" vs say, the healer
sick sentinel
DPS, HPS and guess the 3rd one
sand egret
is it used as a real time tracker?
sand egret
interupts!
sick sentinel
Deaths mate
sand egret
oh psh, who dies (me)
sick sentinel
Whoever dies I can mouse over and see what killed him so I can shout at him
sand egret
ahhh well in pugs,not super useful haha
esp not in M+
ain't nobody got time for that
sick sentinel
Thing is, I don't pug
sand egret
yeah, i'm the pugmasta
sick sentinel
I got a guild to run m+
sand egret
haha yeah i'm a weird social unicorn in the wow world
i never raid, i only pug, and i have no guild
sick sentinel
I only pug healers sometimes and people stand in shit and die and they go like "uh fucking healer" so I have to put then in place
"You stood in shit you mongo"
sand egret
makes sense, but I try not to be to aggressive
ive found its more often not helpful
than when it does
just from my experience
sick sentinel
When you played with someone enough you talk to them like friends
sand egret
haha oh if you know them that's a diff thing
i'm talking about people I just met, remember i pug
lol
sick sentinel
Yeah
final mist
@cinder nova Go to Bars: Advanced under the Appearance header, it's on the far right.
You'll need to enable it for each window separately.
sick sentinel
Well I am surprised you are still playing the game
sand egret
Why? I like it haha
oblique garnet
Pugging m+ is like a rollercoaster
sand egret
I have good experiences too, so I just focus on those
oblique garnet
You never know what you get
sick sentinel
The last 8 times I ended up not quitting the game was because I had friends to play with
And the 3 times I actually quit is because everyone else did
cinder nova
Apparently my guild thinks the "prot buffs" with IP are imba af
sand egret
this is what happened when I asked my rogue to Tricks me
cinder nova
Instead of realizing the other tank nerfs is what makes us feel gudder
sand egret
since he was just ninja pulling
oblique garnet
All i see is error bladesong
cinder nova
chatlog of some rando showering him with praise
sick sentinel
I was asking the 2 rogues to tricks me and they were saying "it says invalid target"
sand egret
double poop!
cinder nova
rekt
oblique garnet
Did the rogue say hes been playing it since 2005?
sick sentinel
5 hours later, in the raid "kage why do you have neutral silencer"
sand egret
ok i give up
oblique garnet
Pretty sure he was sarcastic
sand egret
but yeah, I'm aware
that's the point
just decided to be an arse and like....we +2'd it
so it isn't like we were slow haha
oblique garnet
Hows this weeks affixes
sand egret
what wasn't pictured was my healer being super awesome so it evened out
not bad, sucks for WM and stuff for quaking reasons
oblique garnet
I have shrine key
sick sentinel
Compared to last week?
sand egret
if your dps is good then its fine
sick sentinel
You can push this week
oblique garnet
I bet i will get the group that just instantly kills all the bloblets and wipes the group
sand egret
that was my first group
oblique garnet
Its fortified not tyrannical?
sick sentinel
Not as much as other weeks, but still a push
amber siren
fort can stuck my ass
oblique garnet
Shrine + fortified
sick sentinel
I'd rather have fortified than going last boss of shrine on tyrannical, takes ages
Or last boss borallus
Or last boss fucking temple with a pala or a disc priest for heals
Or first boss kings rest
Kings rest is shit every fucking week so doesn't count
stark kernel
What time does the classic demo start
cinder nova
mfw people care about vanilla
next ermine
Classic demo started 14 years ago
sick sentinel
Naked rogues 1vs1ing you
cinder nova
24s poly
My buddy and I rolled around in AV and he'd just sheep people on the fringes or out in narnia
And I'd walk in and oneshot slam them with my DTC
sick sentinel
Encha shamans oneshotting people with windfury crits
I was re-rewatching watching a vanilla shaman pvp video of a guy 2shotting people with sulphuras
sand egret
he was on my server!
oblique garnet
That one mage going 1vX is also pretty interesting
cinder nova
Oh you mean uhm... Oh man the name is on the tip of my tongue
He's basically the father of mage PVP
he was way ahead of his time.
Vurtne
oblique garnet
Ye that one
oblique garnet
If i start playing classic its probably not gonna be on a warrior
The leveling as a warrior doesnt sound appealing
stone crag
wasn't warrior like the only tank in vanilla
amber siren
yeah
niche pally/druids
but only warrior mt
wasn't fixed really till tbc and even then there were outliers
stone crag
and since they want to release classic as is...
lusty grotto
wasn't fixed until TBC
stone crag
i don't imagine that'll change
lusty grotto
pretty much
leveling was easy as arms/fury
just stick to the same type of weapon lol
and then level others at max lvl on blasted lands
jesus fuck vanilla nowadays lol
raven kernel
Warrior usually incur huge respec costs
If you tank in raid
Cos pvp and shit prot is useless have to respec arms
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
then it won't be pure vanilla
raven kernel
True
lusty grotto
and people will go "BUT MY IMMERSION"
lusty grotto
having played vanilla since AQ, i don't plan on touching that fucking thing with a 10 foot pole
raven kernel
I remember my gm just tanked small dungeons as arms
He'd only be prot for 40m
Full valor arcanite reaper
Preraid bis
lusty grotto
yup it was more than possible
since you could sunder as arms and just go def stance
raven kernel
Ya
sick sentinel
Well that was back then
I want a new meta to come out
Pet tanks new meta
For everything
oblique garnet
Well we will see a glimpse of how it is in the demo
lusty grotto
by how it is, you mean what changed
raven kernel
Wow classic will be very diff cos everyone knows the meta
lusty grotto
QoL-wise
sand egret
haha wait you think the respecing is expensive?
raven kernel
Expect tons of slsl locks running around
lusty grotto
repair bills were more expensive yea
raven kernel
Yeah
amber siren
sl/sl locks yiiiiiiikes
raven kernel
My guild sponsored respec and repair for the mt tho
oblique garnet
I have doubts that it will be 100% authentic experience
sick sentinel
It wont
raven kernel
Everyone will be in meta classes and specs
lusty grotto
honestly though i just made money farming Arcanite and Righteous Orbs for Crusader
sick sentinel
Are u getting ur old Internet service and shit computer
oblique garnet
I dont mean it like that
lusty grotto
paid for my own shit lol
raven kernel
I had 500ms in vanilla reee
oblique garnet
US internet?
lusty grotto
yup
oblique garnet
Lul
raven kernel
I'm Asian
lusty grotto
in vanilla i mean
raven kernel
Playing on us server
sick sentinel
My problem with ppl wanting vainilla ice cream back is that they assume Billy fuck Nuggets isn't going to go on Google and check wowhead on what to do for vainilla
oblique garnet
Ofc most of the people will do that
raven kernel
Pretty much every lock you see will be slsl
And expect to every mage toepzhc ap you
oblique garnet
Lul that guild recruitment
sick sentinel
I'm just for waiting vainilla to come out and see how "good" it was
oblique garnet
Finding 40 people to do a raid
sick sentinel
Which is a low bar I'm setting up
oblique garnet
Doesnt sound appealing
sick sentinel
You know what does not sound appealing
neon tangle
You didn’t really need 40 people
lusty grotto
it was "good" in its time
sick sentinel
Everything that was fixed over the years to make wow not shit
Aka QoL
I could care so less about not "interaction"
My guy I'm here for gear, not to hear about ur life story
astral crystal
s a m e
lusty grotto
LFG Strat lol
lusty grotto
whatever has an edge in raids
astral crystal
probably horse due to BL
lusty grotto
honestly i dont think it matters
if there's a faction disparity that will be fucking chaos on queues
amber siren
horse for extra run speed
lusty grotto
i know because in Arthas we outnumbered Horde, and then it balanced out (and now horde obviously outnumbers alliance)
by queues i mean BGs of course
astral crystal
orc shamans were pretty busted in vanilla
lusty grotto
paladins though
sick sentinel
I am curious how the whole BL/paly buffs and the priest race spells is gonna influence it all
lusty grotto
Bloodlust wasn in vanilla though
astral crystal
windfury
lusty grotto
BL came in TBC
yeah windfury was, and it was ridic in pvp
but so was BoP and kings heheheheh
sick sentinel
Bl was in vainilla, according to a Reddit user whos friend played vainilla
cinder nova
@oblique garnet It's not.
You level with spirit gear and save a set of int stuff so you can level weapons
sick sentinel
I barely know shit for vainilla so I'm just excited to see jankschool wow
lusty grotto
oh shit i totally forgot healing wasn't based off int
and spirit was for mana regen
cinder nova
Yeah and health regen
lusty grotto
and Wands lol
cinder nova
MP5
HPP5
Warriors just ran around with spirit because the passive health gain was better than killing a mob slightly faster
So you'd be able to consistently jump from pack to pack
sick sentinel
Ok but real talk
Is it world first if a guild kills the bosses when classic wow comes
cinder nova
Not even close.
stone crag
i mean, classic and vanilla are separate
sand egret
yeah, and people know the strats
supple path
And if it follows accurate vanilla standards, remember that the racial weapon bonuses are a BIG deal
+5 weapon skill basically just means you're a level higher for combat table purposes
sand egret
people are going to steam roll shit
like molten core each boss was a tutorial on raid mechanics
supple path
Yeah, Molten Core is objectively super easy content.
supple path
The hardest mechanic there was "your warriors must stance swap and intercept back to ragnaros"
sand egret
complexity wise
sand egret
naw, the "mechanic" that was hard was fucking Wingbuffet since you had 40 people and not enough salvs to go around haha
and like every fucking thing with wings had it
booooo
raven kernel
Oh are u guys ready for deep breath
supple path
Not enough salvs to go around?
sand egret
actually, ya know what fucked people
the green dragons
or vicidious literally requiring you to have frost mages, shaman with frost brand, or bitches with a frost wand
i hope Timmy the Fire Mage gets his reality rocked when he thinks he can Pyroblast a fire elemental
sand egret
haha that shit made some people very rich
supple path
I hope Timmy the Fire Mage gets his reality rocked when he PoM pyroblasts a fire reflect trinket.
sand egret
also, Tier 3 Dreadnaught was such a good looking set
i'm so jealous when I see people with it
supple path
That naxx frost resist gear they removed from the game is the real money.
People are still raging over not having good blue armor like 10 years later.
astral crystal
Dude
sand egret
but like....what if they keep the Corrupted Blood functionality the same.
someone is going to try
astral crystal
Edgemasters handguards were proof that blizzard didn’t know what they were doing back then either
sand egret
I kinda hope they do
astral crystal
Just how many nerfs can one item endure while still remaining so ridiculously good that the stat that made it great had to be removed
supple path
People always forget that Blizzard was competing against stuff like EverQuest back then...a game where a tradeskill was 100% broken for 6 years because the devs NEVER tested it in a live environment and assumed the tens of thousands of bug reports they got were all from idiots.
sand egret
uh Blizzard didn't know what they were doing
it was literally their first MMO
frankly, no one did
that is like obvious...
supple path
Yeah, and if you compared it to every other MMO available at the time they knew waaay more.
astral crystal
True
supple path
For all that they still didn't know a lot.
supple path
Half their original dev team were end-gamer raiders from other MMOs, heh.
sand egret
it was like "how do we not make EverQuest"
supple path
Avoiding those mistakes was clearly a huge priority, yeah.
Non-instanced raid content = thank god that died.
So many terrible, terrible aspects of MMOs that WoW did away with.
supple path
Yeah, they took it too far on the scale of "making people wait for overhunted content" vs "destroy all aspects of community"
sand egret
it's tough, kinda inevitable with a game growing that fast
but I definitely miss it
some parts of the smaller scale, if there is anything about classic that I want is the sense of a true "server"
lusty grotto
i got that right because i made guides to druid's epic in EQ
epic 2.0 to be precise
but yes, shit was flat out broken
supple path
I'm jealous. I just knew a few GMs who checked in with me every so often to figure out how I broke this thing.
lusty grotto
the only reason that WoW did better is because they had all these pro guild leaders with them
furor, the OW dude, etc
sand egret
learn from the best or die like the rest
supple path
Half of the legacy of steel guild, yeah.
lusty grotto
furor was FoH
kaplan was in LoS sure
Alex Afrasiabi was furor
kaplan was tigole
and then there was Thott who made the first wowhead
thottbot
daring marlin
thottbot and allakhazam were so bad lol
not at the time but looking back
y i k e s
lusty grotto
haha
but they were needed in a lot of cases cause quests weren't that easy to solve
cinder nova
HURR HURR classic gon save wow
lusty grotto
no arrows pointing anywhere
cinder nova
vanilla so better than now
daring marlin
hey man
lusty grotto
vomit
cinder nova
That argument makes me grind my teeth.
daring marlin
I looked at the talent calculator too earlier
lusty grotto
agreed
lusty grotto
i wanna say people are gonna try it for a month and then be completely tired of all the tediousness, but there's always people that are masochists and have all the time in the world
for the rest of us classic's time is long gone
lusty grotto
rose tinted glasses for them haha
yeah for sure
i bet it will cost something
maybe a one time deal with the same sub or something parallel to what we have
if i had to bet, id say they probably will sell it a an expansion's cost
supple path
The things about classic that were amazing aren't coming back.
Stuff like how your server had a BG community where everyone knew eachother and world pvp'd between queues, etc.
Or that your guild was full of people you'd known for 5+ years from prior games.
lusty grotto
right and the whole amaze factor when going from place to place in the world
supple path
Though really, the one thing I absolutely demand from any classic experience is no quests between level 48 and 52.
lusty grotto
was that the Temple grind
astral crystal
That awkward leveling from 55-60
astral crystal
Grind out some skeles at that one area in EPL
lusty grotto
yeah it was mara
daring marlin
sounds like mara
astral crystal
Near uthers tomb
cinder nova
Um.
Chillwind?
There was the Argent camp in Chillwind Pass.
And just uh
East
Yeah?
East.
Was Sorrow Hill.
That's the GY you're thinking of.
It was SW of Scholo
astral crystal
My memory is fuzzy but it might’ve been chillwind yeah
cinder nova
Yeah that was in Chillwind Pass.
astral crystal
Das it then
cinder nova
Best named NPC in the game there.
Commander motherfucking Ashlam Valorfist.
He was a... Templar?
Yes.
It was made into a 3.5 PrC in the Warcraft TTRPG.
And they were steroidadins.
Which is the best way I can adequately express that.
Who's ready to hear a bunch of infants kicking and screaming about reading quest text?
I know I am.
I mean — I know what most of my quests are in my path, so I don't.
But they aren't.
sick sentinel
Man this is so weird
Im doing M+ with people that arent pugs
Feels
odd
and dirty
and weird
raven kernel
Don't u feel good when almost everything gets interrupted
And u block everything else
sick sentinel
It feels like I'm cheating
Just feels wrong and cheap doing m+ with known people
So used to pugging m+ ever since it was introduced in Legion that it's like an old habit kind of deal
zinc mauve
finally killed Zul heroic
apparently the issue we were having was our healer was in the wrong spot, so Dark Revelation would keep getting cast on her for some ungodly reason cause thats how the code in this game works
for reference, normally dark revelation almost never casts on healers
amber siren
Yeah I've heard some people say positioning on that fight influences the revelation but I have no idea how consistent it is
zinc mauve
it pretty consistently screwed us, let me find the log real quick
a real ? moment if you ask me
you would think they would make it so it just goes on a random target, but nope, SPAGHETTI CODE AWAY
amber siren
🤠
sick sentinel
Man that new smash trailer has a prot warrior gif I need to make
steep lily
Need help with my prot warrior tmog. Not sure what weapon/shield goes well with this, won't let me just use my 2H tmog.
onyx vessel
I mog my weapons as the hidden artifact blue
steep lily
Not sure if I have the blue one
onyx vessel
With lightbringer tabard hidden helm belt shoulders and cloak with orgimmar chest so its hidden and the rest is the battlelord gloves boots and legs
As a maghar orc tho
Looks pretty sexy
I forget how you get the blue one
100 world quests maybe
tiny sphinx
hungering cold + the face of death, duh
fringe marten
Best mog for tauren warriors is Tyrannical Gladiator from Pandaria.
oblique garnet
Imo prideful suits them better
stuck geyser
hey huys i have quistion, in guides its said ilvl above everything so i have 385head with iron fortress, but i am using filthy transfusion most of the times becouse my main is arms, and 385 chest with reinforced plating, also i have 370 head and chest with brace for impact. i was wondering should i use bfi peaces or 385 s, cant decide becouse i also want 385 peaces for arms at the same time i want to tank more on my prot and is there a significant difference between bis trait 370 gear and not so great trait 385
outer dew
For starters
Our BIS easily worth 45 ilvls imo at one
DC is too strong not to have 1x
And for most content, you won't feel that miserable as long as you have one DC and at least netural traits
stuck geyser
tofu i have 370 dc shoulders i have that covered ))) i want to use 370 bfi peaces which is best trait instead of 385 peaces becouse i want them on arms, just curious if there will be a big drop off between bis 370 peace vs not bis 385 peace