protection

[frosty wedge]

ooh, blood elf racial nerf

arcane torrent every 2 mins instead of 1.5

[sick sentinel]

good thing got Doom's Fury + Syringe 385 for fat parry anti necrotic life.

[sand egret]

ooooh looks like they nerfed the Shark Boss in FH

now I don't have to watch my entire party die to fucking sharks

well, now I definitely shouldnt.

[astral crystal]

how'd they nerf it? seems to be the same to me

maybe your party became better at running away

[sand egret]

sharks stop moving going thru blood according to the notes, and not just slowed

[astral crystal]

oh, new notes?

nice

where are you seeing this?

[sand egret]

Throw Chum: "Rowdy spectators throw piles of meat into the arena creating slippery areas, slowing players movement by 50%. Any sharks moving through the area consume the chum and -have their movement slowed- until they are picked up.
stop flailing for 3 sec."

the "have their movement slowed unitl they are picked up" is changed with "stop flailing for 3 seconds".

probably didn't like the fact that the shark boss was considered the real final boss haha

[lusty grotto]

me so sad about arms nerfs :9

[astral crystal]

nice

[sand egret]

funny part about that change to that boss: vast majority of people don't even know to kite em thru the puddles in the first place haha

[frosty wedge]

hahah man - I did FH on my pally last night and I had to sac the healer and BOP a mage

people just do not pat attention

pay*

[sand egret]

nope!

[sick sentinel]

nope.

[sand egret]

but im ok, to be fair, that shit sucks horribly as a ranged char haha

[sick sentinel]

not if you;re pugging.

carry pugs more OP fotm classes

[frosty wedge]

lol

[sand egret]

as someone who pugs....there is very big difference between a good class and a good player haha

[frosty wedge]

^^^^

[sand egret]

see: Rogue who was in a +8 but didn't know what "Tricks" was

[frosty wedge]

I pug almost exclusively and it is horrible

[sick sentinel]

yeah I dont doubt it.

[frosty wedge]

I wa spugging H zek over and over again on my monk

to try to get a weapon

[sand egret]

ewwww I would never pug a raid haha

[sick sentinel]

same.

my time is too precious for that.

[sand egret]

that's like saying wanna do a M+ but with 4 times the people!

[frosty wedge]

I would get into runs with BDKs that didn't AMS during combo

[sand egret]

4 other pugs is bad, but like ~19 ehhhh

I'd prefer to keep what's left of the hair I have, thank ya.

[frosty wedge]

lol yeah I know, but.... honestly getting a zek HC pug together is easier than getting competent people to do Tol Dagor 10s

which drops the same ilvl weapon

[sand egret]

you ain't wrong

well never tried to pug Zek but TD is especially hard for me

1st and 3rd bosses just wreck any derps-in-hiding

[frosty wedge]

haha yeah, 1st isn't bad if you move away from sandtraps

3rd is a nightmare

[sand egret]

oh I think it's a joke....but people don't get Upheaval or how aggro works

[frosty wedge]

yeah I know

[sand egret]

got bugs on ya? walk 8 yards near me and voila!

[frosty wedge]

that first boss has only ever really caused me problems during fking necrotic weeks

instant 20 stacks

[sand egret]

I love fizzling the Upheaval with Heroic Leap

[frosty wedge]

lol

[sand egret]

my favorite "skill" maneuver for boss fights

[frosty wedge]

lol

[sand egret]

little shit like that is what I like about pve content

sure you can pop defensives....or you can literally just ignore it if you're good enough.... 😉

[frosty wedge]

lol, yep

[neon tangle]

does anyone happen to know how much haste it would take to keep SB up 100% of the time after the 2s reduction in 8.1?

w/ bolster

[uneven mason]

11% less, just grabbing that number since in theory thats what the difference is.

[prisma crane]

what's it at currently again? 18 sec?

[uneven mason]

18, reduced to 16

so 11% difference~ish

[prisma crane]

200% haste to get you to 100% currently

[neon tangle]

I can't imagine that's true with bolster

[prisma crane]

167% with the change

excluding bolster

[neon tangle]

since I saw my SB CD drop to like 8s during lust last night

[uneven mason]

the 100% is your "Base" haste

as in your attack speed is 1

[prisma crane]

those numbers i gave are the haste values, not counting base 1

[uneven mason]

mmk

[prisma crane]

legion it was 13 sec and 100% uptime wasnt possible without HR

in practice it's not necessary anyways

in raids you swap

in M+ there's downtime between pulls

and bosses are generally tuned around not having very high AM uptime

[frosty wedge]

which is funny given both of the fotm tanks have 100% uptime

[prisma crane]

weird huh

[frosty wedge]

indeed

[uneven mason]

well

I mean at 100% haste we'll have 3 second gaps starting around 1 minute in...resetting each time we can last stand...

4 back to back blocks then a gap

Now, there are very few situations we'll be melee'd 100% of the time

I think all bosses have a "Break" more or less

where we get a breather and can let them come off CD

[neon tangle]

I mean, maybe that's what blizz is thinking for 8.1

that non-100%-uptime classes will end up scaling better

[sand egret]

at this point, I get a lil' dopamine hit when I correctly predict a cast/break and don't waste a SB charge.

offset by the personal attacks upon myself when I overlap SB with Last Stand. I'm pretty much built to play a class like Prot haha

feedback loops be strong with this one

[cobalt pelican]

https://youtu.be/A_66CXYQtyg

[lusty grotto]

@cobalt pelican 👏 👏

👍 gj

[cobalt pelican]

It is clear WM 13 without heal.

[surreal stump]

i love that they proc victory rush

[lusty grotto]

gj gj gj 😃

[astral crystal]

best korea

[lusty grotto]

that is one impressive vid

@@cobalt pelican logs?

link to logs please?

[sand egret]

for the love of all that is holy please keep dropping these videos

really wanna check this out when I get home!

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/kr/아즈샤라/boost

[sick sentinel]

hah hes using spores trinket too

it is nice

[lusty grotto]

@cobalt pelican thx

[cobalt pelican]

The perception of the prot warrior was not so good, so I went to WM13 without a healer to let pro warrior know it was good enough.

[sand egret]

haha keep doing that shit

although now we're probably gonna see "TD +8 1k R.io score must be Korean" now....

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[sand egret]

👢 🍵 👏

[sick sentinel]

what was 2nd trinket @cobalt pelican ? Sporepods + ?

[rough egret]

yes

its visible in the video

[lusty grotto]

you can check in the logs

[junior ivy]

grr

im scared of zek tonight

i dunno what i can do

[limber wigeon]

why are you afraid of zek?

[junior ivy]

we cant kill him 😦

best pull was 40%

[limber wigeon]

first phase is much harder than 2nd

if you get to phase 2 with a brez up, its almost certainly a kill if people don't freak out

[cinder nova]

Unless you're dying to zek cat

It's just a raid execution thing

Died to zek all night last night because deceits were placed like shit and people kept eyebeaming the raid

Or worse

none of our DPS soaked the first orb

obliterated the raid

[junior ivy]

i am never the one dying

i survive the combo okay

im generally ok

i do my tanking thing i dont bother anyone

we wipe to one thing usually

someomne puts their add puddle in a bad spot

and we get the add

or people get hit by eye beam

or people let adds cast

none of thats my fault right?

[sand egret]

depends, are you overly and irrationally critical of yourself?

then yes. But if not, then not a chance 😃

[junior ivy]

yes i am

[sand egret]

well then you’re WRONG. mostly for gnome-related reasons

[junior ivy]

i was in such a bad mood during raid last night

i said like 2 words on discord the whole 3 hours

[sand egret]

dont let it get to ya, just keep doin your thing

[lusty grotto]

right

if you do your job, it's not your fault

people just have to get their shit together

don't worry you'll get him, practice makes perfect

[junior ivy]

i hope 😦

[cinder nova]

Worst case scenario you bounce to a new guild.

[sick sentinel]

best case scenario u kill him

and no body gets an upgrade

[junior ivy]

nah id never leave my guild

even tho sometimes i miss my old guild

[sick sentinel]

Man I have so many damn trinkets I dont know which to use for M+

[chrome falcon]

@junior ivy if you spawn a cloud add you can use ring of peace/typhoon to cheese it

if the add is getting knocked back by those abilities when it dies

it won't do any damage

[junior ivy]

wait what

we can?

who does those abilities

whatr clkasses

classes*

[chrome falcon]

yeah so

when the add dies

at 1hp it does an invisible cast called shadow nova

but it won't cast if it's being moved

monk does ring of peace, druid does typhoon

tell them to cast it when the mob is super low, and if it dies in midair, it won't do any damage

we tested it tonight and it works but the timing is super hard

we triggered 2 cloud adds and still killed it lol

[sand egret]

oh man that's some hacked ass shit. loove it

[glad sparrow]

if you are rolling with AM and Bolstering talents Zek voz is set up nicely for cooldowns. I'm able to get a last stand off for every combo with demo shout up too.

[lusty grotto]

if you aren't rolling with AM and Bolstering for anything, you have the wrong talents 😄

[glad sparrow]

Would be nice if we had more of a choice in talents.

[cloud bone]

I'm kinda glad we don't cus that means I don't have to spend money on tomes

[chilly brook]

Oofies

Looks like I'm gonna be an Arms warrior now

[vagrant cape]

why? so you can always be the worst warrior spec?

[chilly brook]

ouch

Cuz I got into a 5/8 guild

And they want someone to replace their warrior

[vagrant cape]

oh, nice

[chilly brook]

So now I get to spam dungeons to try and optimize my gear

[vagrant cape]

fury is gonna be better in 8.1 if the tin-foil hat theorists are right

[cinder nova]

I still find it weird they want azerite to be prohibitive

[chilly brook]

It's technically better now

[cinder nova]

"We don't want players to enjoy the entire breadth of their class without either farming or lots of gold."

Literally why?

[lusty grotto]

fury doesn't exist on my warrior

arms + prot for life

[minor folio]

@lusty grotto Whats fury?

[sand egret]

I like fury

wielding 2x 2-handers was always a huge draw for me. plus I can kinda just shut my brain off and hit all the buttons. literally opposite of prot and I'm 100% fine with that.

[merry cave]

Didn't arms cop almost a 15 or 20% nerf to aoe lol

[sick sentinel]

Aside from the mythrax trinket(370) which of my other trinkets should I use, been swapping between several with various results: Rezan, Blockades, Dark Intensity, and Syringe. All trinkets are 370.

For M+ use

[vocal nimbus]

i'd use syringe and rezan

and swap one with the mythrax trinkets for high keys

[astral crystal]

but muh random self-heal

[merry cave]

I dropped back to blockades this week, quaking feels fucking dogshit as prot

[astral crystal]

i enjoy blockades honestly

[smoky merlin]

Mythrax trinket helps

A lot in m+ too I'd suggest grabbing it if possible

I also run pvp trinket that give1.5k main stat on use

[snow hinge]

is 218k health at 377 low?

[broken kite]

No

[snow hinge]

ok

ty

[daring marlin]

I have 27% crit just sitting in the raid

dat crit life

[merry cave]

Depends what your comparing it too

Is it low vs tanks then yes. Is it low for a war then no

[outer dew]

Gunning for my servers #1 prot tank. Got in a pushing mojo

Just 70 more io with 2 sub 90 dungeons

[quiet kettle]

jes' howler vs syringe in m+, thoughts?

[coral dew]

Random question: Is there a softcap on haste?

[outer dew]

If I had same ilvl

I'd like jes

And no cap on haste

[graceful mason]

Syringe kinda sucks in m+

You switch targets too much

[native monolith]

On my personal opinion, we have many viable Trinkets. Rezan, Blockades, Mytrax one, Jews, Synringe, Jews, and even the PvP ones.

[lusty grotto]

mythrax one sucks

[native monolith]

Depends on what you are doing, M+, Raid, which one, affix, etc

[outer dew]

???

[lusty grotto]

everything else is a-ok

[outer dew]

Mythrax fills in your gaps

You're not gonna have 100% up time on mitigation

I can think of plenty of times Mythrax has kept me up

[lusty grotto]

it's absolutely 100% terrible, you wouldn't replace blockades with it

[outer dew]

???

[lusty grotto]

0 reason to do so

[outer dew]

My mythrax trinket heals me more than blockades for m+

[snow hinge]

with no buffs or anything like that, my health for prot is 218k and apparently thats low, whats ur guys health at just standard no buffs?

[outer dew]

Ilvl?

[lusty grotto]

sigh this convo again, let me copy paste it

[snow hinge]

376

[outer dew]

That's fine

That's about where I sit

[lusty grotto]

first of all mythrax trinket does not heal you

second of all you need to hit 40%

third of all

it's a poor man's IP

[outer dew]

Having a shield for your gap in mitigation or for your healer to bomb heals on you is fine.

[lusty grotto]

you are better off with consistent procs of EHP buffs than that piece of shit

its not a shield for your gap if you need to hit sub 40%

[outer dew]

Hitting 40% will happen occasionally every 2 minutes depending on pull size

[lusty grotto]

uhhhhh

[outer dew]

I'm dropping sub 40% on pulls for +13/+14 easily

If magic gets off, I'm getting chunked like a mofo

[lusty grotto]

are you not kiting in 13/14s?

i mean

?????

[outer dew]

??? Cant really kite in some dungeons if you have have narrow hallways or trying to push damage so adds drop faster.

[lusty grotto]

???

i thought thunderclap had a range and you could cast it while kiting, but what do I know

i hope you aren't dropping to <40% in less than 2 mins intervals 🤷

lord knows consistent EHP procs are worse apparently

questionmark questionmark questionmark

[oblique garnet]

How is 75k shield poor mans ip?

[lusty grotto]

its a poor man's IP because you don't use it on demand

its still 50% of damage up to 79k on the mythic version

[rich folio]

Blockades over myth trinket

lul

[lusty grotto]

so just like IP, except not refreshable

[oblique garnet]

Sure if you compare 355 mythrax vs blockades blockades is better

[lusty grotto]

doesn't scale with STR, etc

[rich folio]

we are so late into the tier already hc gear from uldir should be default

[lusty grotto]

except uldir gear is fucking trash

are you new?

[rich folio]

your best shield comes from it

are you new?

your best helm comes from it

are you new?

[lusty grotto]

yeah new guy

[rich folio]

blockades still

trolling?

actually? lol

[lusty grotto]

3 pieces come from Uldir

good lord

ghunn shield mother helm 1 hander, WEW LAD

[rich folio]

lmao shield is everything for prot warriors

[lusty grotto]

OH REALLY?

you dont say

glad you do mythic ghuun regularly

sub 40% hp IP trinket WEW

[rich folio]

lmao it does double what ip gives with 0 rage cost

more than double

[lusty grotto]

do you understand you have to be under 40% for it to pop?

[rich folio]

are you doing hc dungeons all day

do some actual content

that hits you hard

[lusty grotto]

oh no, not this line

we haven't heard this one before

shit man i'm hurt

[rich folio]

is that your only come back LOL

[lusty grotto]

is this a comeback competition? i wasn't aware

[rich folio]

ppl already telling you blockades is garbo up to a point

[lusty grotto]

thought this was the prot warrior channel, still super hurt

[rich folio]

get it through your head bud

[lusty grotto]

people

[rich folio]

theres a reason you keep hearing it

[lusty grotto]

1 rando which is you

and 2 people

oh boy

[steel mauve]

Sounds a bit like grade school in here...

[lusty grotto]

well when they go "lul" you sometimes have to get down to their level

[quiet kettle]

i dont think nim knows that every skyhold channel is basically 50% offtopic

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

[quiet kettle]

warriors in general dont stay on topic for very long

[lusty grotto]

i know but what does that have to do with anything lol

[quiet kettle]

"thought this was the prot warrior channel, still super hurt"

[lusty grotto]

cmon that's out of context

[quiet kettle]

is it really thou?

[lusty grotto]

read the lines above

the comeback competition line is key

[quiet kettle]

ok fine u were arguing semantics over the validity of mythrax trink vs blockades

[lusty grotto]

it devolved into trolling at that point sure

[quiet kettle]

ive ran myth trink in 10+ and honestly when i let it, it did outperform blockades

that was with a heroic version

[lusty grotto]

do you have a log to prove this?

[quiet kettle]

i dont log m+

[lusty grotto]

ok so, it's basically personal preference

[quiet kettle]

if u + healer understand that ur intentionally dipping sub 40 at certain times, myth trink is pretty useful (avatar dmg windows)

[lusty grotto]

see that's the part i dont understand

everyone insists that i don't do M+ somehow

[oblique garnet]

Only sunny said that nobody else did

[lusty grotto]

"if u +"

[oblique garnet]

Read the sentence he says and think about it

[lusty grotto]

if your + healer?

slight typo then?

[quiet kettle]

healers tend to freak if a warr starts dipping under 60

from my experience

so if ur healer understands that ur letting urself dip sub 40 to proc it during say ur avatar window, u get good use from it

[lusty grotto]

so what you're saying is, that your healer lets you hit sub 40 so that it might go off

that's the definition of a bad fucking trinket lol

i'm sure you're making it work

but blockades is CONSISTENT

[quiet kettle]

i never said blockades was bad

[lusty grotto]

and we have other tools to manage these "gaps"

[quiet kettle]

nor did i mention a 'gap'

[lusty grotto]

like SW, rallying, so forth

[quiet kettle]

i mentioned how i use myth trink

[lusty grotto]

ok then in your case that's pretty smart usage

[quiet kettle]

i honestly rely on it as a dps booster rather than an ohshit trink

[compact halo]

I think that trinket will be less needed when our IP gets updated to not be on GCD

unless your intentionally burning rage

[lusty grotto]

i'd wear rezan over it any day

[oblique garnet]

When ip comes off gcd the new raid will come anyways?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

hopefully some better defensive trinkets there

[oblique garnet]

Yeah so basically everything will be rendered useless

[quiet kettle]

raid will be long after 8.1 launches

[lusty grotto]

i wouldn't say long

2 weeks ish at most

[oblique garnet]

2-3 weeks tops

[quiet kettle]

their not gonna launch BfD in december

lol

[outer dew]

doesn't mean the new raid is out

and the only trinket I'd love would be the Warfront Boss Crit Trinket

I prefer on demand crit

low-key debating if i wanna pvp more with my warrior again and get a str/vers trinket at higher ilvl

[oblique garnet]

Tbf blizzard has to release the new raid soonish they are losing players

[quiet kettle]

their still not gonna launch a full raid in the next what, 5-6 weeks tops?

[oblique garnet]

8.1 release date was confirmed?

[quiet kettle]

not confirmed but were estimating 13th/20th

of nov

that'd be consistent in time from when 7.1 launched

[stone crag]

i'm betting december at the earliest

[quiet kettle]

the only iffy stuff atm is the warfront, everything else for the core of 8.1 is done

[oblique garnet]

Does 8.1 also come with the new seasonal affix?

[quiet kettle]

nah, raid

[oblique garnet]

Im honestly getting bored of the infested

[quiet kettle]

considering we had m+ open with raid, it'll change based on the current raid

[oblique garnet]

I love doing tol dagor and in a narrow corridor when a monk uses rop the worm just glitches through the wall infesting a random mob on a different floor

[quiet kettle]

and new seasonal based off current info (not complete) is potentially extremely dangerous

[lusty grotto]

yeah

it sounds really rough

[oblique garnet]

? I havent heard anything from it

[quiet kettle]

random pack spawns sumwhere in dungeon and chases u, getting faster every second

mobs of this pack have an aura that causes non-similar mobs to reflect 75% of the dmg u deal back to u

[autumn pendant]

Like death chases you irl?

[quiet kettle]

so if ur fighting a pack

and this new ghost pack chases u down and engages

ur fucked

until those things die

[oblique garnet]

Im guessing the pack can be ccd so if you cc one of them they all stop

[quiet kettle]

we dont know enough of it to know

[oblique garnet]

Thats only way that pack could be balanced to even make sense

Because if that pack reached you while youre fighting them and theres dot classes who have dots on the other mobs they will just die

[merry cave]

If be more worried about meaningful prot changes before the new affix +_+

[signal plover]

archive is worth 15 ilvls yeh?

[outer dew]

for raids

it's worth hella

if you got high stacks

[signal plover]

ya for uldir

[outer dew]

outside, it's meh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

not that great to chain pull atm

[topaz ember]

Later matrix is bis for m+ because it will pull the whole dungeon at once really speeding things up.

You'll be pulling packs you didn't even know existed threw walls

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[real thunder]

Anyone else getting really bored with wow? Uldir is played out right now, dont have it in me to level anymore alts, and my prot warr/aff lock are boring. Wonder if they are done with prot changes.

[sick sentinel]

As long as I have guildmates to do m+ with I Am not bored

[real thunder]

my guild does their single 10 and thats it. 😦

[sick sentinel]

Tbh, since bfa came out I am just playing wow, it's so unhealthy for me

[real thunder]

blah, gonna go start a new skyrim game. l8r

[merry cave]

Lol if they're done with prot changes i might finally jump ship l

[ivory barn]

so how does Ignore Pain even work? cause half the time ill click the button it says 43k absorb but thats 50% of it so its 21.5K. then ill just get chunked for damage anyway i keep refreshing it below 20K absorb and keep taking a shit load of damage. im ilvl 358 in Prot so i dont understand it. can someone help me...

[raven kernel]

If it's 43k

Then it'll be fully consumed after taking 86k dmg

[stone crag]

absorbs 50% of the damage taken, up to X amount

[outer dew]

If you're getting chunked hard

[raven kernel]

Also shield block is your primary mitigation

[ivory barn]

when the aura on the bar says absorbing 50% of the next X% damage? and X% is 43k?

[outer dew]

Chances are you not pressing shield block enough

[raven kernel]

Keep it up over ignore pain

Unless you're taking only magic or ranged dmg

[outer dew]

Also remember you dont need SB with Last Stand if you ran bolster

[ivory barn]

im running bolster

dont SB when Last Stand is up?

[raven kernel]

Spec for bolster

When you have last stand up, don't use any shield block

You're already blocking everything

[stone crag]

unnecessary defensively, Bolster blocks abilities for the duration

[raven kernel]

The last stand time is for you to regen sb charges

[ivory barn]

my talents rn are 1/1/2/3/2/1/1 i read the icy veins guide but just couldnt figure it out. but SB is greater than IP?

[raven kernel]

Yea

[stone crag]

it's not really either or

IP is the buffer while SB is active mitigation

[outer dew]

General idea is SB/SB/SB/LS/SB/SB/SB

[raven kernel]

Sb (or last stand) is the most important thing

Ip is for additional mitigation on top of sb when you have the rage to spare

[outer dew]

Or meme like me

And spam revenge over IP

[raven kernel]

Ip is only primary mitigation against magic dmg

[outer dew]

:^)

If I die, I die

[stone crag]

where SB does nothing

[raven kernel]

Don't confuse new ppl with memes bois

Get him sorted first

[outer dew]

I mean, for most low keys, IP uptime isn't gonna be huge

[stone crag]

it's not going to be in most places

[outer dew]

Can't run out of blocks and last stand if they die before that

Amirite

[ivory barn]

prolly bad to have x2 Bloodsport and x1 Deafening Crash ?

[raven kernel]

It's alright

The dc stays

Bloodsport is fine if you have nothing else

[outer dew]

Bloodsport can be fun

[raven kernel]

Replace it with brace for impact when you can

[ivory barn]

reading the guide dont have more than 1?

[raven kernel]

Deafening crash mandatory 1

[outer dew]

DC needs the second portion, not the damage

[raven kernel]

No more no less

[outer dew]

Nerf to DC kind of sad for 8.1

But I get it's not the worst

[west kayak]

370 haste/mast/leech pants or 380 haste/crit?

[outer dew]

Makes kind of sense

380

[raven kernel]

380

[outer dew]

Why this a question

Ilvl is King

[west kayak]

Mast/leech distracted me. 😃

[outer dew]

What I've been wondering is how much is a socket is worth

[stone crag]

leech haHAA

[outer dew]

🤔

[merry cave]

I dunno the DC nerf in 8.1 hurts m+ high keys pretty badly

blocking range attacks makes up for it in some dungeons but others it'll be noticable

[outer dew]

I just hop they bring the spec more in line

Because an Az trait that strong is kind of absurd

[merry cave]

Yeah i agree it had to be toned down, i just hope its balanced for

because recent history doesnt give me hope

🤷 maybe they'll make wars op in m+

[ivory barn]

how is Archive of the Titans outside of Uldir?

that or Brace?

[merry cave]

i think brace is better, however im to cheap to bother swapping back and forth lol

[ivory barn]

its on the same piece of gear thats why i wondered lol

ah nvm read the guide again

[worthy karma]

okay so when is it worth replacing blockades?

[ivory barn]

when RA is greater than 300 haste

i dont raid so brace is better

got me to 361 i was 358

moved traits around and had higher ilvl gear

wow...

no damage at all now

thats a shitload guys

[sleek radish]

Can you sim for prot?

I remember hearing you can't sim for damage with prot but i don't think that makes sense

[amber siren]

There's no backend support for us atm so no

[sleek radish]

What does that mean?

[onyx vessel]

Meh why care to sim a tank

[raven kernel]

The programming / coding for prot sim to work

Is not done

[ivory barn]

so right now i've noticed about a 3 second gap window every sb/sb/sb/ls/sb/sb/sb/(gap)/Repeat does that sounds about right?

[raven kernel]

Kind of

If you're still taking a boss or alot of mobs you can pop shield wall to cover the gap

Or kite

[sick sentinel]

@worthy karma you replace blockades either with a 375 defensive or with an offensive one if you think you are ok with surv

[ivory barn]

just ran a +3 Mythic to test it out and took way less damage in my opinion

[sick sentinel]

+3s are a joke tho

[raven kernel]

Also you can purposely leave 1 to 2 sec gaps between shield blocks if you're confident you won't get gibbed in that time

But that's advanced play

[ivory barn]

not to check for damage smoothing issues it isnt a joke

[sick sentinel]

I usually let 2 secs and use shockwave

[raven kernel]

2s between shield blocks better than 6s of nothing later

Unless you intend to kite that 6s

Also yeah Shockwave lets u space out sb too

[ivory barn]

can we solo Hellfire Citadel in WoD yet?

[sick sentinel]

We could solo HFC in legion (before 8.0)

Except helfire assault

[ivory barn]

well thats the boss i need to kill to get to Zakuun for the chance at that 2hander mog lol

[sick sentinel]

Get a friend to help you then :/

[fringe marten]

Nerdbot I did it just a couple days ago, I failed it once then went in again and towards the end of the fight I had to pop a Lightfoot Potion to cover ground quickly enough.

But the answer is, yes warrior can solo Hellfire assault.

[brisk flax]

Wish they would give us Vigilance back

[fringe marten]

what was that?

I remember it was a thing but I literally don't remember what it was/did

[brisk flax]

a spell you could cast on someone in your party / raid that Split 30% of the damage they took onto you for 12 seconds

2 min CD

[fringe marten]

OH derp yeah...they rolled that into the intervene talent; but you have to stand next to them

yeah I remember that; it was cool.

[brisk flax]

dont you have to talent into that?

[fringe marten]

yeah..which is why no one uses it.

[brisk flax]

ya see

lame

lol

Needs to be a spell. It's not even that OP honestly just hella useful

[fringe marten]

However; you can still intervene and prevent a hit even without the talent; IE intervene people in Underrot who are targeted by spider bats.

[brisk flax]

ya

but 12 sec 30%

anywhere you stand

so much better

I think at one point we even had one that you just put on whoever and it was permanent

[fringe marten]

Yeah I remember that; was cool 'cause we had an external to give out; however...they DID give us an external back which is Rallying cry.

[brisk flax]

and you always just split damage from them

[fringe marten]

and honestly I'd rather rallying cry than vigilance.

[brisk flax]

idk

i wouldnt personally

[fringe marten]

however....I want my banners back bruh.

[brisk flax]

taunt banner?

lol

[fringe marten]

ALL DUH BANNERS

[brisk flax]

gave that shit to monks via Totem

so lame

[fringe marten]

Skull banner~

[brisk flax]

could leave us with Rallying and just give Vigilance back too

[fringe marten]

Skull banner was legit hot, so was the taunt banner...so good~

[brisk flax]

iirc we had bladestorm at one time too lol

[fringe marten]

yup, WoD

[brisk flax]

so much has changed

Tclap being where it is

pretty hilarious

[fringe marten]

When all our cd's lined up we could do serious aoe damage; just like we do now 😃

[brisk flax]

thinking back to BC XD

Tclap so garbage

back then

now it is like our bread n butter shit

[fringe marten]

I honestly don't understand why they nerfed the snare component on clap so hard, other tanks have strong slows...why take warriors away?

[brisk flax]

also no rage gen from taking damage? Is blizzard retarded?

[amber siren]

Wait how was TC garbage in TC it reduced enemy attack speed which was super important

in TBC

even

[brisk flax]

If someone hits you arent you going to get mad

speaking from a Threat / Dmg perspective

now it is like insane

by comparison

i would take that attack speed slow back though lol

[fringe marten]

and Spell reflect needs to be brought back to what it was with the artifact talents in Legion. It's still a good ability but just a shadow of what it was..and they increased it because they knew warriors needed help in magic damage mitigation.

[nimble root]

What are the best azerite traits to aim for? I checked he guides but I think they are out of date

[brisk flax]

no rage gen from damage taken though .... someone should slap whatever dev thought that was a good idea right in his stupid face

[fringe marten]

Now it's half as good as it was..plus our IP is so trash. Magic damage is even scarier.

[brisk flax]

Ya Spell Reflect RIP

it's like they wanted warriors to be garbo this expansion

[fringe marten]

"Oh you mean in that Shrine of the storms 14 you're dying to spell damage..? OHH ...why didn't you roll a DK like everyone else?" -Blizzard 2018

[brisk flax]

either that or they had devs that dont understand a damn thing about Prot

[fringe marten]

^^

[brisk flax]

swear they just need to take experts on the spec that truly understand it from the player base and make them the class devs

[fringe marten]

They took artifact weapons out, and forgot that part of the artifact trait and the buff they gave spell reflects mitigation was important for warriors to be viable progression raid tanks. "woops..don't worry we'll get around to fixing you months from now.." "OH certain azerite traits are doing too much damage in pvp..ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY"

[brisk flax]

_<

it is pretty hilarious actually

cause even still with what they did to us this expansion

i have yet to have a monk in my raid mitigate more damage, etc than me

maybe just shitty monks ?

DKs i think ive seen 1

Are paladins worst off then Prot Warriors at the moment?

[amber siren]

no

i mean

[brisk flax]

Cause my paladin co tank take way more damage than me and pretty much always has

[amber siren]

like neither are bad by any means, paladins just aren't as derpily geared towards M+ as DK/DH are

If he's taking more raid damage than 🤷

[brisk flax]

Also i had a suspicion but Zek'voz feels like a really good fight for us no?

as far as being able to mitigate dmg

[quiet kettle]

IP certainly does help with the void lash

but u still dont wanna take the double hit

[oblique garnet]

You can SR the last void lash

[merry cave]

Paladins are just as good in m+ as dh

Especially in 8.1 with the hotp change

[raven kernel]

Prot can take full combo easily

Triple hit

Last stand and demo can cover the triple

Pool rage and you can ip all 3 hits

And you can use sr for extra 20% mitigation on one of the lashes (2nd is better)

[dusky mica]

why is the second better?

[oblique garnet]

Because you basically cant be healed after that

[raven kernel]

Healers can still top you off after the first

[merry cave]

Isn't it just easier to swap on 2nd hit lol

Unless your cheese solo tanking heroic or something

[oblique garnet]

Why do that mid combo when our kit has everything to take the full hit?

[onyx vessel]

So if your tanking with someone who cant you have to taunt on 2nd for em

Lame

Ive tanked with tanks on zek get shit on by that combo in heroic even prot warriors

Zzz

[sudden tapir]

Huh? I’ve always tank swapped after lash-shatter-lash combo

There is some other way to go about it?

[onyx vessel]

Normally yes but not all tanks can live that 2nd void lash

And also makes some bad healers panic when you at like 20-30%

Many times ive tanked zek with other prot warriors and they dont avatar the trash down on him losing so much dps

Zzz

[random finch]

Ever since the start of the tier I took the full combo if your lucky sometimes a Crit block is all you need and a spell reflect the last lash but just last stand the start and ip for void lash and spell reflect and you won’t even go below 80% hp

[lavish oracle]

Is there any reason not to taunt on shatter? it's just like...less damage for a tiny bit more effort

[tulip pond]

The other tank has to tank with the 50 % healing reduction debuff. Not saying it's a problem but that's one

We swap on the shatter too since apparently brewmaster going to 1 hp despite it not being a problem caused panic to healers

[chilly brook]

@lavish oracle if your tank comp can take the full combo they should

Because if they can’t the next tank gets stuck with the 50% healing debuff which means more inefficiency in healing resources

And as the tanks aren’t at risk of dying after a combo since they don’t get the raid wide rando damage it’s not a big deal to have a 100% healing debuff

[raven kernel]

It's very good for us cos we have the most health left after full combo than any other tank

[ember arrow]

john cena: are you sure about that?

[hidden axle]

hi team i havent played since launch is prot still poo?

[forest fern]

it has a higher skill cap than other tanks to be decent, i wouldn't call it poo but you have to work a lot harder for similar results elsewhere. That's powerwise, in terms of flow and feeling of it, yes it has fairly major issues, some or most seem to be in current address on the ptr for 8.1 patch when it comes.

[next goblet]

got a 355 helm.. freehold helm

so i can use my 370 shoulders and swap out my 370 helm

basically to get a BFI and resounding over a gemhide and iron fortress

(still keeping DC)

you guys think its worth?

[oblique garnet]

Your dc is on shoulders?

[junior igloo]

I'd keep gemhide and IF if it's he same ilvl

[next goblet]

current DC is on shoulders (355)

secondary is haven and gemhide

swap to 370 shoulders for BFI-azerite veins-visage, helm would then be DC-haven-resounding.. current helm is Reinforced plating-haven-visage

so i was wrong i drop reinforced plating for a BFI

[ivory barn]

im currently running Helm (370 - BfI, AV, IV) Shoulders (340 - BfI, AS, Gem), and Chest (370 - DC, SiN, VS) would you guys change anything on those ?

[next goblet]

basically im going for sidegrade lol

[shadow sequoia]

noobs question guys but what of our defensive spells matigate quacking and bursting ?

[raven kernel]

Ignore pain

Shield wall

[shadow sequoia]

do you think I should cancel last stand when quacking is coming if it has like 5sec or so ?

[royal oasis]

Why exactly would you cancel it...?

[shadow sequoia]

doesn't quacking do % damage, so if I have last stand wouldn't I take more damage ?

[royal oasis]

I wouldn't bother. Unless whoever you're running with can't dodge it. You're no more at risk if you have or don't have it up but that's my opinion

[vale axle]

Hey mates, I've a Question for you.
Do toi think that the Devastator gameplay is viable ? BC I really like it

[outer dew]

If viable means it keeps you alive for the content you're doing

That's all on you

[sick sentinel]

@vale axle you will not fall over and die if you play with devastator but BV gives so much more rage and synergises well with AM and DC and the whole flow of gameplay I would argue that you are harming the groups spreed and your healers heart if you are not playing with it

Also, the spec as it is punishes you for every single mistake and devastator even more so

Having davastate on your bars does mean that you have to press it

I was also afraid of taking off devastator but when I did I felt the difference in reduced stress and bigger numbers on the damage meters

[wind scroll]

så BV is The goto atm.?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

We have exactly one talent build with only 1 flexible tier

[wind scroll]

good.. I like BV

[vale axle]

Okidoki I see

[wind scroll]

that being last tier perhaps?

[sick sentinel]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

AM is half the spec dude

[vale axle]

Thx for your answers

[wind scroll]

My alt is only 114.. so I haven't had the chance to test it myself Haha 🤣

[sick sentinel]

You either get the 15 reduced CD on leap or bigger thunder claps

[wind scroll]

I see. hopefully the changes in next patch will give room for more variety?

[sick sentinel]

Don't think so

[wind scroll]

at least IP comes off gcd

I think will make a big difference

[sick sentinel]

IP coming off CDG will empower our talent build even more

[wind scroll]

with difference I just meant in general

[sick sentinel]

Yah

[wind scroll]

compared to other tanks for instance

[sick sentinel]

Our big fat CDs will have even lower CDs due to us spending the rage and not capping it

[wind scroll]

I did a few dungeons at 112-114 ... I did not need it obviously but when pulling extremely big it was frustrating that IP was gated behind GCD

I would imagin it being the same just worse at max lvl with certain pulls or affixes

[royal oasis]

The gcd is only an issue if you're trying to revenge alot otherwise not so much

With SB off the gcd it doesn't conflict all that much

[sick sentinel]

The GCD is an issue when revenge procs and I can't spend my rage

[royal oasis]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

So I end up capping rage and I don't feed AM

[wind scroll]

exactly.

and revenge proccs don't feed it either

[onyx vessel]

Capping rage is very easy

[royal oasis]

Yeah that's the downside but the gcd doesn't hinder using it correctly to survive stuff, just halts rage flow

[onyx vessel]

Its painful when your capped rage and shield slam is off cd

[royal oasis]

Off the gcd will help a lot with thay5

That

[onyx vessel]

Its like heroic strike where are you

Reee

[royal oasis]

Idknl why people want HS back so much haha

With IP off the gcd now it fills the same niche

[onyx vessel]

Not 8.1 yet

[royal oasis]

Yes but I doubt we'll ever get that back

[onyx vessel]

Yup

New mastery will help if they do so

[royal oasis]

Yeah will have to see if they implement one

[sick sentinel]

Why is a every talking about a "new mastery" ? They are not changing, our mastery is fine

[royal oasis]

I'd argue only the fact that it's binary which is why they may but overall it's fine

[sick sentinel]

Our problem was unblockable ranged physical attack that they addressed

Is it ? Yeah, but it evens out on nonbosses

[royal oasis]

Agreed. Thankfully our large metal shields can now block the god like pebbles tossed at us in TD

[uneven mason]

If only they could pull the fucking throwers out of sanguine

WTB "heroic grappling hook"

[onyx vessel]

GET OVER HERE

bring gag order back

[sick sentinel]

LoS

[remote tusk]

Make Shield Bash a normal talent.

[coral dew]

Make shield bash hit as hard as it did when it first came out

Lmao shit was ridiculous, did 3x the damage it does now

Meaning during bfa prepatch*

[astral crystal]

i wish we could get gag order back

but the way the game currently is having an on-demand ranged silence is a little too stronk

only downsides are travel time and gcd

[bronze lance]

like i said new mastery should be damage you block increases your IP up to 300%, the more damage you block the more % you get. Easy to nerf/buff cause you can just change the slider on damage blocked to % IP buff

[forest fern]

agreed except it would make mastery destroy the other stats i suspect

[bronze lance]

na, your IP would just stack to 300% max, if you are going against heavy magic damage boss then may want to drop some haste or soemthing

but you will still be wanting to have SB up to block all of his white hits so you get the bigger shield

and verse effects your IP anyways right? so it would just be buffing it as well

[forest fern]

but if it caps at 300 wouldnt that put a cap on mastery

[bronze lance]

so what im thinking is every 1000 damage you block you get 1% IP increase

50% mastery increases it by 10%, so now 900 dmg is 1%

or something

or 50% is 500 damage

would have to look at actual block amounts to see what would be fair but doesnt matter idea wont make it anyways

[sand egret]

it’s kinda a win-more-thing imho, but its a neat idea

[forest fern]

i mean its smart but i suspect what will happen instead is they will just make mastery flat increase your "ammount ignored" making you work it back towards its legion levels, boring but no effort on their part

[bronze lance]

i would figure that would then make it to strong against magic

guess it would depend on scaling

[forest fern]

well the problem is it scales bad then, end of expansion it would be super overpowered

[sand egret]

as long as the shield value remains low, it wouldnt really matter imho

[bronze lance]

IP is already based off of yoru AP

so i would really doubt they would have it AP and mastery

[sand egret]

in those scenarios you wouldnt have the rage to support it

[forest fern]

i mean its kinda ripping off monk but another idea might be to make IP a two part thing like their, 50% ignored and 50% over so many seconds after with mastery reducing the amount eaten after

[bronze lance]

go search my name on the fourms and then say this stuff on my post, amybe it will get some attention then

[forest fern]

hey does anyone know at how many stacks does origination array reach the 300haste sweet spot mentioned in the guides for azerite traits

[bronze lance]

10 stacks is the max i think

[forest fern]

right but it says don't use that trait until you have done enough of the hidden weekly that increases it till it goes to 300haste, i want to know what that is without respeccing it

actually derp it says there what each equals, nvm

[bronze lance]

3 boss kills gets you one stack

which is 75

[uneven mason]

300 haste, thats 4 weeks, I hope everyone has that by now

[dusk locust]

or in my case, mastery -_-

[torn sun]

you poor thing

[frosty wedge]

lol

all that block though

[dusk locust]

i'm actually not sure if rezan's proccing puts me over the border back into haste

i'd have to check

[coral dew]

Wait

Are they changing our mastery?

[amber siren]

no

[coral dew]

Oh, idk why I thought that

[frosty wedge]

early on on the PTR they removed our mastery - so there was speculation they'd be changing it

[coral dew]

Oh that's what I was thinking of

[frosty wedge]

makes sense 😃

[coral dew]

Noob question btw, if I'm at high rage and SB is on cooldowns
and there's no need for more aoe dps should I dump rage into IP?

Just by default?

In other words focus on as much IP uptime as possible as a general rule or save it for big hits

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

AM is important so never cap rage

both IP and Revenge are viable options

[coral dew]

Right

[bronze lance]

but is there ever a reason to NOT do more aoe dps?

[cinder nova]

Not really

[bronze lance]

letyour healer feel good and heal you, you kill more shit

[cinder nova]

Mythic Zul?

Only thing I can think of

[bronze lance]

boss cant hurt you if he is dead

[cinder nova]

Leave more for the rogue to goon

[lusty grotto]

revenge is still a viable option @ ST, if you're near cap and your IP still has a shitton of absorb amount remaining

[coral dew]

So SB is the main active mitigation and if it's on CD, IP generally second priority for uptime/save for big hits

Do I have that more or less righr?

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean specifically

if SB is down, you use Bolstered Last Stand

demo shout is your 2nd priority for mitigation, it should be up as much as possible

[cinder nova]

Hey Nim

[coral dew]

Hmm alright

[lusty grotto]

in fact Demo Shout should be on a parallel priority as SB

[cinder nova]

When the fuck do you LS m vectis

Because I never not have a block and might just start using it on CD

[bronze lance]

when you spawn 5 adds to parse?

[lusty grotto]

shrug i haven't tanked M Vectis

[cinder nova]

My raid is too dumb and panicky to parse vec

[bronze lance]

shrugs, spec out of bolster on that fight if you want to spend the money

[cinder nova]

I've been able to get close on my own anyway

I mean, what else is there lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean you could just LS and spam revenge

:p

[cinder nova]

I barely revenge that fight

[lusty grotto]

more dmg is more dmg

[cinder nova]

Healers aren't anticipating any spikes

So I've made it a habit to smash ip

It's a noticeable difference in smoothing for me so it must be a world apart for them

[lusty grotto]

sure

[cinder nova]

We did just get an imba 1250 io mw though who is knocking it out of the park

So I might scumbag

Is it me or does MW feel like the best prot healer

I've never been as solid

[lusty grotto]

i'm sure you could manage IP better, and dump rage into revenge though

[cinder nova]

You'd think that, but the dot is pretty brutal

[dry apex]

wich is better ?

[cinder nova]

And it goes fast even when I'm not active

Severer

[lusty grotto]

375, that's 10 ilvls worth of STR and Stam

plus indestructable 😄

[cinder nova]

So you'll never have to repair you're garbage stick

[lusty grotto]

lol

[onyx vessel]

can i bonus roll on the end chest in tol for a chance at howler?

m+

[lusty grotto]

you should yea

keep in mind a bonus roll there applies to all the loot in the dungeon

so high stakes !

[onyx vessel]

got 6 bonus rolls i need nothing

[lusty grotto]

go for it

[cinder nova]

I never bonus Mythic unless I've gotten all the non TF pieces I need of Uldir fall content on our Mythic clears

[onyx vessel]

my trinkets are 345 and 355

so ye

[cinder nova]

345 and 355 yikes

[onyx vessel]

i havent done mythic

[cinder nova]

Blockades and what

[onyx vessel]

rezans

:"(

[cinder nova]

Could be worse

Could be 370 and 360 with pvp str use and button lol

[onyx vessel]

i do have a 370 syringe

but thats trash

[cinder nova]

It's great for st

[lusty grotto]

that's not trash at all

its a lot more str than a 345 rezan

[onyx vessel]

but its not better

[lusty grotto]

that will go into your IP

i'd say it's better due to the STR alone

higher lvl rezan though... that's different

[cinder nova]

It's better that a 345 rez

Use it

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

[onyx vessel]

ill have to get a 340 howler

LUL

[lusty grotto]

jeez don't use bonus rolls on m0

[onyx vessel]

yolo

[lusty grotto]

howler isn't worth it at 340 if you have higher ilvl trinkets

[onyx vessel]

355 trinket from world boss could be nice

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

it's a great trinket

[onyx vessel]

gonna bonus roll it cuz 6 bonus rolls

[lusty grotto]

still not better than a 370 syringe

[onyx vessel]

😦

[lusty grotto]

15 ilvls of STR

[onyx vessel]

but crit

[lusty grotto]

so?

bootyclap it

don't put too much value on haste

yes it's the better of the stats, but all of our secondaries are close enough

STR is key since it helps defensively

especially 45 item levels worth

[onyx vessel]

good ol prot warrior

nothing matters but str

[lusty grotto]

when stuff is like 5 to 10 ilvls, then sure go for haste

on trinkets/rings

otherwise armor + str > all

[onyx vessel]

most of my gear has haste on it

other then shield

[lusty grotto]

that's fine

[frosty wedge]

haste is our best stat, but the weights are so close that ilvl is king on anything with armor on it

[onyx vessel]

had a 370 shield with haste on it but scrapped it cuz other one was 375

shield ilvl is more important id guess

[lusty grotto]

it is

[frosty wedge]

yeah

it definitely is

[spare hinge]

Hey tank, U have the power to use Vote to Kick

1. Hunter's pet growling
2. Balance Druid's summon trees and they taunting
3. Spriest choice healing role
4. DK did griped your target after charge
5. Dpser keep pulling and spread out of tank's aoe
6. any more ?

[lusty grotto]

never kick trees

they help a shitton in m+

pet growl should be auto disabled on dungeon start

by the game itself

[bronze lance]

should be but sometimes it isnt

[onyx vessel]

my balance drood uses trees all the fuckin time on H zul

[bronze lance]

it has happened to me

[onyx vessel]

shits annoying

[lusty grotto]

trees are amazing in m+, but yeah sure they might be bad in raids

[onyx vessel]

IM HELPIN nvm fuckin trees

[bronze lance]

weird that they taunt, like shaman elemental doesnt

[lusty grotto]

the one thing that grinds my gears is when druids typhoon shit apart

for no logical reason

or ring of peace for no logical reason

other than that RoP is solid too, just when used correctly

[spare hinge]

shaman's earth elemental do aoe taunt but tress aint

[bronze lance]

shaman earth elemental can not taunt raid bosses

[spare hinge]

each can make it spread out of tank's aoe

[bronze lance]

or the adds on zek

[lusty grotto]

see if they do it on zek adds, they are flat out retarded

unless they are bunched up before they use it

[bronze lance]

what do the trees taunt on zul anyways?

[onyx vessel]

crawgs

[bronze lance]

hmm wonder if earth ele does, dont think so but i dont know

[onyx vessel]

it makes me feel like im useless its annoying

reeeeeeeeeeeeee

[lusty grotto]

actually im not 100% on the taunt thing on bosses

haven't paid enough attention lol

[bronze lance]

i droped my earth ele all the time on mythic zul and it never taunted anything

[lusty grotto]

then trees shouldn't taunt

[bronze lance]

and i never did on zul

[onyx vessel]

it taunts the crawgs about it

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure they follow the same rule

hmm

now I'm curious

[onyx vessel]

i dont know how many times ive raged at a huntard for having there pets growl on

[spare hinge]

yea me too

[lusty grotto]

not sure how it bugs and it doesn't turn off

pretty sure they turn it back on manually

[bronze lance]

sec im asking in enh disc

[lusty grotto]

happened in a dungeon i was running on my pala last night

[spare hinge]

i was doing lvling up my prot in random dungeons and noticed pet's growl

"kick" Huntard

[lusty grotto]

i'm 99% sure they turn it back on manually

BFA made it so it turns off once you enter a dungeon

[spare hinge]

i bet

[bronze lance]

tried to get a warlock kicked for keeping his fel lord on taunt, so then instead i just let it die every pull

he didnt even know it had a threat increase taunt thing

whatever you wanna call it

[onyx vessel]

cancer

[spare hinge]

Ok what was it?

[bronze lance]

dark imtimidation or something?

if that was at me

ok so earth elemental will not taunt anything that is currently being tanked by a class with a tank spec

so even on zul it wont taunt anything if the tank has it picked up

[lusty grotto]

It has def taunted stuff I was tanking in dungeons

[sand egret]

as far as I know pets need to be manually turned on

[bronze lance]

earth elemental?

[sand egret]

and Rocky will definitely taunt off you

[lusty grotto]

But I guess that could apply to raids

[sand egret]

I had it happen last night

[bronze lance]

someone may have pulled off you and it auto taunted then

[sand egret]

at least in my M+ not a chance

[bronze lance]

hmmm weird dunno never seen mine taunt anything

then again i dont drop it unless the tank died anyways

[lusty grotto]

Must be a raid vs m+ thing

[sand egret]

I wouldn't doubt it

it's also a boss thing, imho

and I think mobs in raids count in that pool

[lusty grotto]

Right

[sand egret]

either way lets get down to brass tacks. Show of hands, how many people know to jump when Sister Maladay gets the Iris?

I coulda sworn this wasn't knowledge from a hidden tome passed down by generations of my ancestors...

but I am being led to believe this may not be the case.....

[lusty grotto]

To be honest I just strafe but my brother told me about the jump thing last week

[sand egret]

I think "moving" is interchangable

[lusty grotto]

Makes sense considering that one boss in wotlk

[sand egret]

but yeah

I'm just shocked by the amount of random people I see that legit have no idea

just another day in my Pug life haha

[lusty grotto]

Well it's a 50/50 chance pugs know mechanics

[sand egret]

that's way, way to generous

I ran WM 3 times last night all of which were +7 and above

[lusty grotto]

Last night I tanked sethralis on my Pala, healer wasn't healing avatar... So I had to do it as prot lol

[sand egret]

out of those 12 other people, I think maybe 4 did that right

[signal plover]

Did the healer just not read?

Or

How does that

I can't even

[junior ivy]

2% wipe on mythic zek last night

We got it next week

[lusty grotto]

was leveling lol

so obviously people don't know mechanics

only people that do are people running alts

[vagrant cape]

Does anyone know if the pool of 370 azerite pieces from emissaries includes a piece with DC?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[amber siren]

yeah

[vagrant cape]

Do you happen to know which slots too?

[lusty grotto]

you can get C'thraxxi from Nazmir emmisaries

[vagrant cape]

Do alliance and horde have the same traits on their pieces?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[vagrant cape]

Sweet

[lusty grotto]

that doesn't change

[vagrant cape]

Which slot is the piece, if you happen to know?

[amber siren]

i've gotten dc shoulders/chest from the emissary

[vagrant cape]

Nice! I need some good shoulders

Thanks y'all

[amber siren]

👌

[lusty grotto]

yeah my dc shoulders are from emmisary too

not sure which ones are they because i logged off as arms :\

Dunecrawler Spaulders

[wild atlas]

Any of the admins going to BlizzCon?

[lusty grotto]

I was mistaken though, C'thraxxi dropped today on a WQ, not emmisary

but you can get 370 DC shoulders easily as an emmisary reward

[strong forum]

Or from pvp