protection

[solid mist]

does feel very auto-pilot these days

[sand egret]

like imagine where the banks in IF,SW, every city were not shared

and you had "Blacksmiths" that straight up just did that haha

I had two co-workers play that game. One became a merchant that spent his whole time taking his goods from City A to City B to sell. The other became the bodyguard of said caravan.

[solid mist]

I mean. that's a really cool idea

that's some EVE level nonsense

which is cool

[supple path]

There's a certain sort of person who just wants a job from their MMO - something where they can put in time and feel guaranteed they'll get a reward.

[solid mist]

but it's P2W right?

[supple path]

Yeah, EVE players.

[sand egret]

it's less so but it's an eastern mmo at its core so yeah it has P2W elements

[solid mist]

I just lived out my space fantasy in EVE. got a science ship, scanned for anomolies and wormholes and shit

joined a corp, and traded that info for money for their miners

it's... kinda fun in a weird way

[sand egret]

best story I've heard out of EVE was that whole aliens thing that one user just happened to like stumble on this massive never-been-seen-before alien armada

and the devs were just like..../shrug

[solid mist]

it's why I like pure support classes. I wanna be the bard who like... everyone else is fighting a dragon and I'm like "can I top of your mana with a sonnet?"

as I run around with a dumb fucking lute

[supple path]

Oh god FF11 bards with their 8 second cast time songs that actually had you strumming your instrument

[solid mist]

YEAH BABY

[sand egret]

if you could beat-match that shit

fuck yes

[solid mist]

"ok melee you stand here, casters here, pull mobs, sleep them, sing songs"

FUCK

that was good shit

[supple path]

Haha, gotta get attack/acc on the melee...mana regen on the casters...debuffs on the monster...then use my shitty cures so the healer can stay seated for 4 more seconds. Honestly, bards in FF11 were a great example of a support class that just did its own thing but was still super valuable.

[neon tangle]

they should 100% add in the addition system from legend of dragoon

[sand egret]

@solid mist you'd like MH's Hunting Horn 😃

[neon tangle]

If you think your hunter is shitty now, imagine them trying to do gust of wind dance

[supple path]

All the while looking up phrases in Japanese that would make your racist groupmates not realize you were a filthy westerner.

Truly the ultimate support class experience.

[solid mist]

@sand egret I do

I'm on the SnS kick right now

[sand egret]

yussss

[solid mist]

but hunting horn is FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC

[sand egret]

but i'm on that Lancelyfe

[solid mist]

doot some notes, smack some faces

lance or gunlance? I did gunlance for a while, that shit is pretty fun to

[sand egret]

both, but I go for the Lance proper, less so the redneck cousin

all about that counter

[solid mist]

yeah

anyway, fuck Blizzard's apil fool's joke that one year, give me a damn bard

[sand egret]

imagine if Prot had a 1 second buff window to counter muahah

spell reflect for melee O_O

[supple path]

two headed ogre please.

[sand egret]

like ol' prot pally reckoning bombs level of insanity

[supple path]

Melee reflect would be an awesome ability, yeah.

[sand egret]

also, love the fact that the new raid specifically references ol' Reck Bombs

[solid mist]

I hear there is a raid encounter that is basically "keep talking and no one explodes"

A+

[sand egret]

which one? Mekkatorque?

that fight is going to be so trivialized by addons, related to what we were talking about above

[tulip pond]

Think I should start prioritizing some versatility lol

[sand egret]

going to go out on a limb and say you're not very versatile of a warrior, are ya?

[chilly brook]

@tulip pond I mean if you can get it haste vers is nice but don’t lose ilvl for it

[tulip pond]

Yea of course, been rocking the highest ilvls I can get for each slot

[queen owl]

but feels bad when slot no haste

[feral crypt]

what's the best dungeon to farm to get 1h weapon and shield? I've played arms so far and I have azerite gear ready but no shield and a shitty weapon

ataldazar?

[dapper sky]

F u tong

[primal crypt]

Atal/TolDag

[old night]

tanking mythic vectis tonight

did you find vectis harder than zek?

[dapper sky]

@queen owl

[queen owl]

agro u w0t m8

[kind urchin]

This isn't protection in particular but how many have noticed that most people don't understand LOS these days? It's almost like an ancient art form that got lost and only a few still know of its existence.

[sick sentinel]

LOS as in Light of the Savior?

[merry cave]

There's a few, they die and eventually get the hint

[sick sentinel]

Lay of Sand?

[frosty wedge]

people are HOPELESS when it comes to line of isght

[kind urchin]

Lol

[frosty wedge]

I pull, duck behind a corner, mage dies

[sick sentinel]

TANK Y U NO AGGRO?

[frosty wedge]

or healers

healers have literally no idea why theyr'e dying whne they start rolling hots on me and stand in a hallway when I'm pulling stuff outside

[compact halo]

Yeah love trying to LoS add's back an the dps think its wise to use big cd's while im pulling them back :3

[sick sentinel]

worst offender isnt the adds, tbh

is the explosive

[kind urchin]

Or when there's more explosive orbs than the party can kill before they wipe us.

[sick sentinel]

you can LoS the explosive orbs

[queen owl]

i hate it when ppl help me with expeditions

cant they just split up and cover more groun

[solid mist]

I wish expeditions weren't boring and lame

just a slog

[queen owl]

they added events to them but they spawn too slow

already 90% done when the event spawns

plus im busy half the time tryign to kill my teammates on purpose when they follow me

[digital arrow]

lol friggin pubbies, always one of them who stands out in the open like HUHHH WHY ARE U BACK THERE

even when u type "LOS"

beforehand

[neon tangle]

@kind urchin Who needs LoS when you got DKs

[oblique garnet]

And then you got mobs who are immune to everything

[sick sentinel]

@tulip pond It's fine I have 204 vers 😛

also, 84 avoidance is 3%... that's a lot tbh

[robust wave]

I just saw a video that references stacking Ignore Pain 1.3 times. What does this mean? Does it overlap?

[supple path]

It caps at 130% of its value, so casting it twice for e.g. a 40k absorb will only give you a 52k absorb

So you basically don't want to recast it until you're at <=30% absorb remaining

[past sluice]

Is Prot still playable ?

[stone crag]

playable is subjective

[astral crystal]

no,t hey removed armor from prot, additionally, you cannot press buttons

[sick sentinel]

lol

even more unplayable for the brain dead

[amber siren]

every time you press sb a family member dies

[robust wave]

Thank you @supple path

[compact halo]

You'd think that bizzard would have this stuff on there tool tips instead of having to find it out elsewhere 🤔

[sand egret]

tbh, it being 1.3x is really just like the Pandemic for shields

[stone crag]

they're trying to simplify tooltips, not make them more "complicated"

[sand egret]

doesn't really change how you use the ability, so I can see why it doesn't get included

[supple path]

Especially since it USED to be a much higher cap and the reduction totally does change how you use it.

[compact halo]

Feel like by simplifying the tool tip they make it more confusing

[sand egret]

its the opposite

you say "it stacks" and suddenly you have a paradigm were newer players (those who rely on tooltips as their primary source of information) are double tapping IPs

if you want to min/max you can find the nuance of it (WA's etc) but ultimately the functionality is more accurately explained by absence

[compact halo]

but you also have a tool tip that doesnt tell you it has a timed amount an no cap of how much you can have going so they will just spam it

[sand egret]

but if you're min/maxing then you're not really using tooltips to learn

no it's like any shield at that point

it just helps you by carrying over some value

[compact halo]

IP just saids that you use it an it absorbs X amount

[sand egret]

that's exactly what it does

[zinc mauve]

You can make a reasonably short description that includes all the numbers

[supple path]

Yeah, adding in a "up to a maximum of 1.3X" line would probably help some folks.

[sick sentinel]

rofl

doubt it.

[sand egret]

i'm sure it'd help some

[supple path]

SOME

[sand egret]

but not really

[compact halo]

i get where your coing from tho blade

[thorn yarrow]

or idk Blizzard could just say what the ability actually does

such an odd concept I know

[zinc mauve]

Instead of 1.3 times, just show what the maximum would be

[sand egret]

it'd confuse a heck of a lot more imho

[compact halo]

im just saying i dont think we need to dumb it down so much that it excludes a lot of the key details for players that want to use the skill to its fullest

[sick sentinel]

wow community easily confused.

[supple path]

Don't we have simple/advanced tooltips for just such a problem?

Or is that not a thing anymore, haven't checked in ages.

[raven kernel]

Dot classes aren't taught this through tooltips either

[sand egret]

the thing is, the "key details" are min/maxing in this case

and there ARE other resources, which those who are in the crowd are probably aware of

hence why we get that question here

[compact halo]

Yeah if im tanking im gonna make sure that i can use my ability to its fullest

[supple path]

I think it's pretty clear that the game does not adequately prepare prot warriors to play their class.

[compact halo]

but the other resources are 3rd party not blizzard

[supple path]

But where and how it should improve on that is hard to say.

[sand egret]

like if you're going to be a sick tank, chances are you going to use more info than the in game tooltips

[raven kernel]

The game does not really prepare any class

[sand egret]

you can't ignore 3rd party

as much as you can't include it

[raven kernel]

No one does well without consulting external resource

[sand egret]

wiki's exist for everything

for this very reason

[compact halo]

So example if i dont know ip can go up to 1.3x how would i know to look for a wa to track it?

[sand egret]

you don't need one

is the point

sure it isn't optimal

[supple path]

you don't NEED an item in every slot

[sand egret]

but you certainly don't need it

[compact halo]

when im down to 30% of IP i can use it again than waiting to be at 0% if it lines up

[sand egret]

but that is literally min/maxing

[supple path]

What aspect of improving your play couldn't be classified as such?

[compact halo]

^

[sand egret]

that's a specific type of player, the tooltips aint for you tbh

the fact that you seek to improve your play, actually is part of that crowd (albiet a sub division)

[compact halo]

shrug i just dont see how that helps a player "like me" if I dont haev that info in game so i ahve to search for unknown potential things about the class

[supple path]

I'm with Kai, the information should be available SOMEWHERE in game.

[sand egret]

you're here, aren't ya?

[supple path]

Requiring people to go to third-party sites for numbers died as a design feature in EverQuest

[compact halo]

cause the game doesnt provide enough details xD

[sand egret]

no, it's 2018

[supple path]

So it's sort of weird that WoW does it for 99% of stuff, but then has some odd exceptions.

[sand egret]

you can't ignore the outside world

[compact halo]

So if you played a single player RPG an it didnt tell you your spells details just said it did damage. You want to go an google everything about the game

to find out how to play your rpg?

[supple path]

Hell, give the class trainers in game scripted explanations of mechanics.

"Hey Mr. Warrior Trainer, how do I ignore pain harder?"

[raven kernel]

Pretty much

[sand egret]

esp when it means, do you add X amount of work (trust me, re-indexing every tooltip is no small task) because you assume it's 1990 and the only source of info on your game is in the booklet that comes with it

or do you acknowledge you have an information base out there and leverage the community you strove to build

[raven kernel]

If I wanna minmax divinity original sin 2 I sure as hell have to Google and check for online discussions

[sand egret]

O

I'm not saying it's a horirble idea, btw

[compact halo]

but is that because it has lack of info or because theres ways to max out spells

[sand egret]

im saying that it doesn't really pan out

[raven kernel]

You are just asking for everything to be unnecessarily perfect

[neon tangle]

I mean, even if every tooltip included the formulas and junk, we'd all be going to icy veins still

[supple path]

I'm actually a big fan of my current proposal - rather than muddying down tooltips, have a bunch of tutorials about more complicated mechanics avaialble in game.

It'd give the trainers a POINT

[sand egret]

it's like a company ignoring streamers impact on thier games in 2018

[supple path]

granted they won't do that cause it would take effort

[sand egret]

that's a lot of effort btw

[compact halo]

Overall blizzards tooltips leave a lot to be desired

[sand egret]

definitely no small task haha

[sick sentinel]

or just

add a checkbox for detailed tooltips

or like hold alt for more info

[sand egret]

and just flip a switch and you got a new raid

why the fuck haven't they just flipped em all

shit is messed up

making us wait

[compact halo]

but they did have it like that they cahnged it so it was less

[sand egret]

lol you acting like they just snipped it out

and not every spell gets updated

[neon tangle]

@sick sentinel eh, I'd rather they invest their resources elsewhere, no way to have a game as big as WoW without icy veins and stuff existing

[compact halo]

But they did example the wording for taunt

[sand egret]

and you have to maintain literally millions of strings

all of which has dynamic tooltips

all of which also are localized in like 20+ languages

all of which also dynamically update

[supple path]

Blizzard likes to curtail people's reliance on third-party resources, honestly.

[sand egret]

they really do

[supple path]

See: all the mods that have been made part of base UI, how you can look up where toys/gear drop now, etc. etc.

The dungeon journal alone

[sand egret]

fo sho

personally, I'd like a mechanical index where I can run down the state function of each interaction

[neon tangle]

I mean, I think there's a balance they have to strike, and understanding mechanics in-game is useful, knowing random extra stuff about abilities less so

[sand egret]

yeah, 100%

writign tooltips is hard as fuck

i do it everyday

it is not a fun time

[supple path]

I think honestly WoW tooltips are largely on the right track 99% of the time, it's why the exceptions stand out.

[sand egret]

for sure, there's a lot I'd like changed

[stone crag]

you'd be surprised on how many tooltips are actually wrong

[supple path]

Yeah I mean compared to other MMOs

[sand egret]

I just also acknowledge a completely new series of advanced tooltips isn't something to slate in a dev cycle any time soon

finding wrong tooltips is one of my fav pastimes

[supple path]

They need to spend those resources on creating more foxes and alpacas.

[thorn yarrow]

its a quality of life issue that should have been resolved 4 expacs ago

there isnt any justifiable excuse

[sand egret]

............

lol people just roll up in here

[thorn yarrow]

nah I have been here the whole time

[supple path]

What specifically are you talking about there, Keck?

[sand egret]

throwing out haymakers like lol

as you're obviously refuting my specifically, why so?

[thorn yarrow]

tooltips @supple path having them fixed an telling the exact info of the ability shouldnt at all be that complicated

[supple path]

I mean most of them do that. The case we started complaining about was actually re: a change made in this expansion.

[thorn yarrow]

an no Bladesong I dont specifically hound an target people I often broadstroke

[sick sentinel]

So this is what is talked about in #protection

[supple path]

we can go back to talking about how BDKs are OP in m+ if you want

[sand egret]

the long twisted tale of Ignore Pain

[thorn yarrow]

damn those Bloody undead warriors

[sand egret]

uh.....

[sick sentinel]

Oh I don’t mind, prot doesn’t exist does it?

[sand egret]

"WARRIORS NEED GRIP"

runs away

[supple path]

I still want a cooldown that turns us into an LoS object.

[thorn yarrow]

I mean paladins are basically Warriors who failed at getting good an went holy

[sand egret]

as long as that object is racially inspired

like a big totem

or anvil

[stone crag]

warrior's of the light

[supple path]

I more had, "Raise your shield in front of you and hide behind it" in mind but turning into a giant cow would work too

[sand egret]

potato potato

[thorn yarrow]

can I just be Big Shield Gardna

[neon tangle]

really anything to help with positioning mobs would be nice

grips, chains, etc

[thorn yarrow]

I mean I always liked the idea of Shockwave pulling them in

Barbs in D3 had something similar

[stone crag]

bear's getting a grip, maybe grip banner Kappa

[sand egret]

Instructing Shout: Sternly inform all enemies within 20 yards to come closer and pay attention.

[thorn yarrow]

lel

[supple path]

^^ love it

[sand egret]

we can all go home now

fixed that shit

[neon tangle]

@stone crag it's a pretty lame grip tho, only yo-yos' the first mob back to the center

[stone crag]

idd

it's something t hough

[sand egret]

and i'm pretty sure its on their...mobility tier?

which is very confusing, but that does mean they can grip + mass entangle

[stone crag]

yeah https://puu.sh/BT7Fm/2f9faa7364.png

[sand egret]

like....womp lol

[neon tangle]

idk what the real answer is, I think there's always going to be a gap between tanks who can and can't deal with casters

especially with how tightly blizz backed the dungeons

[sick sentinel]

vacuum shout pls

[supple path]

I'd love a talent that drastically lowered CD on spell reflect.

Could make it compete with some good stuff.

[sand egret]

just wait..... gonna be a dungeon that's just all fucking rocks and arrows

[stone crag]

Bring back Reflective Plating, but as a talent

👌

[sand egret]

we walkin' in there like "bitches, I came to block rocks and chew bubblegum....and I'm all outta gum"

that shit drops everyone's BIS

[obtuse venture]

guys guys what if the world ends before 8.1 comes

[neon tangle]

until you realize that everyone else already had AM that mitigated that damage

[supple path]

Eh, block is stronger than other AM vs stuff it works on.

[sand egret]

can confirm. ended up tanking a pack without a shield last night

did not end well.

[neon tangle]

@supple path sure, now pallies get their AM + the ability to block the stuff ❤

[supple path]

I'm not really worried about paladins getting a little boost too honestly.

[sand egret]

yup, I stomp shit and I love doin in

ain't give a fuck about them warriors with flashlights

i can get down with my fur warriors tho

RAGEBOIZ

[digital arrow]

yo i've a noob question (first time dealing with explosive attribute) can we just thunderclap these and do damage to them?

[sand egret]

nope

[digital arrow]

thanks blade

[sand egret]

has to be a single target spell

[digital arrow]

man, troublesome on boss fights

[sand egret]

devestate 2x or shield slam

it procs victory rush

so it's actually a huge blessing haha

[digital arrow]

yeah been getting some free revenges on em

at least i get the

victory rush from them

oh right haha

👍

[sand egret]

also, devastate is really solid as it procs deep wounds which also helps

[digital arrow]

very nice

explosive aint that bad for us then!

[sand egret]

usually 2x devastate + the tick does it

i was able to solo the 3rd boss in TD cuz of it haha

[raven kernel]

With bfi or avatar u might be able to 1 shot an orb with shield slam

Depending on your gear

[digital arrow]

it's just gonna be a pain if theres something that u absolutely have to kick, but exposive right next to target

[sand egret]

yeah SS procs I often hold a half second to see if there's any orbs

[digital arrow]

so it's a tough choice there

[sand egret]

be oldschool like me and have focus target macros 😃

[raven kernel]

Just have high apm

XD

[sand egret]

yeah the clicking is real

[raven kernel]

Already need decently high apm to play prot anyway

[sand egret]

set your interrupt target as your focus and run a pummel macro on a modifier

[digital arrow]

thats true, can try and do both really quickly

i have a mouse over pummel macro

[sand egret]

booya

[digital arrow]

i got this!

thanks for the tips

[sand egret]

explosive is a high apm affix

[astral crystal]

@digital arrow if you dont have it yet https://wago.io/explosiveorbs

the nameplate it adds is clickable

[merry cave]

Fuck Tol dagor first boss and stupid dps and healers who stand 4000 miles away from thunderclap range 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

[compact halo]

What do you mean you cant pull the aggro of all those little adds if the dps dont bring them to you such a odd thing haha

feel your pain morg

[raven kernel]

Lol

[merry cave]

Spending 4 gcd on heroic throw is fun

[raven kernel]

We actually have one of the easiest time picking up those shits

People not standing near boss should be kicked anyway

[compact halo]

I think BM is the only tank that gets a easy job on that mechanic

[raven kernel]

Brews are shit there without statue

[compact halo]

lol yup

an they have to give up RoP

LOL

[merry cave]

They can give RoP up to my war if they want 🤔

[digital arrow]

goin to use that wa, thanks @astral crystal

[sick sentinel]

Holy fuck balls, just beat a +10 temple on time

God i loving pugging

[sick sentinel]

I just tell my TD group on first boss if they dont stack on me and move with me, groups disbanded.

ez boss.

hold everyone by the balls with mu thunder clap grip.

[limpid leaf]

We wiped hard on tol dagor +8 last night, couldn't do it. Explosions while adds spawned was too tough for the group

First boss that is...

Swapped to a +7 atal dazar and owned it

[sick sentinel]

dont stack, cant cleave explosions either. very unfriendly vs dot/wind up DPS classes.

[raven kernel]

I always take thunderclap range talent so I don't even need to be stacked tight

As long as they're near boss I'll get everything in 2 claps max

[rough egret]

How good is sporepods trink for warriora, I found it decent. Any thoughts?

[primal crypt]

no\

no pods

dont

pods

[rough egret]

Ok :D the healing from it is altelast something, apparently i dont have anything better rn. :)

[sick sentinel]

its trash. blockades way better.

[rough egret]

Im using both

[steel mauve]

Almost any thing is better than pods

[rough egret]

Ok, noted

[open bluff]

i'd run fathoms before pods

[coral dew]

shrine of storms M+2 made me suicidal 😃 at 326ilvl

The second fight with the couple, the Brother was annihilating me with Heaving Blows

dunno if its just me or gear

[primal crypt]

This is me...right now lol

[coral dew]

lol

[primal crypt]

Got it boys...dont worry LOL

[thorn yarrow]

Explosive was really helpful on Sisters in WCM

freaking pain in the ass

[timber nest]

is the cheese on vectis with spell reflect still a thing?

[thorn yarrow]

wait wut

[candid hill]

Spell reflect Omega when it ends to avoid debuff apparently

[sick sentinel]

what 'cheese'? you mean class design utility/counter?

yes.

[amber siren]

if you can completely ignore a mechanic then cheesing is fine to use?

idk why you're picking on his wording when it was fine

[ivory barn]

our talents still 1/2/2/3/2/1/1?

[raven kernel]

Prefer tc range but yes

[ivory barn]

tc?

oh 1/1 instead of 1/2?

[raven kernel]

Yeah

That's preference tho

[outer dew]

depends on comp

i don't like it because i risk breaking cc sometimes

[raven kernel]

I hardly cc and when I do I tank far away enough

Ensures no dps/threat loss when mobs are slightly spaced out

Also lets me still clap when I do need to kite

[rough egret]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZsSaTGXso8WggYo/giphy.gif

[brittle owl]

sup. prot pally main, thinking about giving warrior a try. anything to keep in mind on the transition? as far as protection

[native trellis]

Be ready for much less sustain

And no bubbles

[brittle owl]

yeah i saw the feedbacks. not planning on playing it too much now, considering to switch in 8.1 or so

lel bubbles

[native trellis]

Yeah, although protection warrior is in a rough spot I still play it cause I've maimed a warrior since I started.

Can't wait for the buffs in 8.1

[brittle owl]

you mean the rollback on nerfs?😁

[native trellis]

Tell me about it lol

[brittle owl]

couple more questions. what would be a % to aim for SB uptime on something like, say MT Fetid? also, how is kiting? movement doesnt seem an issue, but damage does a hit

basically forced to dip in and out to keep aggro?

[raven kernel]

If you are able to play prot near max potential you will enjoy it

I pretty much don't kite unless forced to by mechanics / affixes

With tc range talent you can do like a 8yd kite and still hit mobs with clap

Look for sense's logs if you wanna compare uptime

60 to 70% mitigation is the range

Depending on fight

Actual uptime not sure

This is sense

On fetid as mt

So 66.53% uptime on block if he didn't overlap anything

[brittle owl]

i see ty :D looking for ways to evaluate myself on the go until i get into 'real content'

[raven kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243646904154587137/505823845857361948/unknown.png

Also prot can do this

m10 tyrannical

[brittle owl]

interesting 🤔 what makes you do that though? chaining cds or?

[raven kernel]

Yeah

Best mitigation in game

[sweet kettle]

the fact that you can block a shitload of dmg

[raven kernel]

That also doesn't oom your healer

[brittle owl]

^ that's the big one i think

[raven kernel]

You can see on the left how much I blocked on that last auto

[brittle owl]

i went to 30 at most on that boss on my pally, no biggie, but healer would've struggled if dps wasnt up to snuff

[outer dew]

TBH

i've never had that high

but my dps is usually ihgh

lol

usually i'l cap at 50-55 stacks before he's edad

[raven kernel]

Yeah I was running non Raiders

So dps was low

[brittle owl]

i mostly pug cause my guild's full of monkeys soo yah

[raven kernel]

It would prob cost my healer more mana if I cleared the stacks

Cos he has to aoe heal

Lol

[brittle owl]

depends on healers and dps,i've done that boss with quick stack clears, or none

i've also done it with just one clear and bop the person fixated by the adds , but that kind of talk is frowned upon here i recoon

[outer dew]

bruh

we had an enh shaman

here showing his m+ adventure

lmao

[brittle owl]

wut

[outer dew]

no one cares ;P

we aren't that stuck up

the randomest of topics pops up here

[brittle owl]

(i was trying a funny but ok😁 )

[raven kernel]

As long as you aren't doomsaying about prot it's fine

[outer dew]

wdym

that's once every hour

it's ritulaistic

[brittle owl]

most of my time playing wow was in vanilla/bc/wrath, i've grown bored of doomsaying

[raven kernel]

Gotta love those guys that come in here looking for confirmation on their bias that prot sucks

And we tell them it's actually playable

And they go crazy like we're conspiring against them

[brittle owl]

bias against any class, i'm like in an aotc guild and people still ask 'is x class any good'

and i keep saying that it doesnt matter for the content we're doing but the questions still pop up

gotta love streamer culture i guess

[outer dew]

meh

most people just suck at the game

[raven kernel]

That's closely tied to why ppl think prot sucks 😏

[outer dew]

kind of funny

i had a druid remember me from pugging

was like, you make prot look good

i was like dang mang, what a homie

appreciating me for my efforts

apparently being a prot warrior is memorable

[rough egret]

I quit playing my BRM geared to almost 380 and start playing with prot warr, because I found it more fun to play

[outer dew]

play what you enjoy

¯_(ツ)_/¯

your tank choice isnt usually what holds back your prog

[rough egret]

true

our guild is stacked at 2/8 M we cant make it trough Zekhvoz.. due to personal failures

[outer dew]

yeap

people can't do mechancis

[rough egret]

best pull was 1% miracle

then we cant make it to last phase for a week

silly

*couldnt

is ther any good YT prot warr so I can check his vids?

[raven kernel]

Idk I don't watch any

[fading token]

Sense has kill videos, not guides or anything but hes good to watch

[raven kernel]

I'll prob start recording m+ vids whenever I get proper groups

[errant wing]

when you have 6 mins left on last bosss spooky house 12, and the rogue dc,s 😦

depleted

[zinc creek]

Does sense have a yt channel?

[stone crag]

yeah

[rough egret]

yeah if you are the person who had to share something, showing your amazingness

as there are not many good prot wasrs, its always good to share that prot warr is playable at high content

so ppl start less bi*ching about warriors 😄

and have some motivation to play it bette

thats maybe mine pov

[ember arrow]

every tank is playable at high content

[rough egret]

then why majority of ppf think that BRMs and BDKs are the only way

[silk mortar]

Becuase they are easier 😉

[ember arrow]

because they are better at it

the key word is "playable"

[rough egret]

see so there comes Rei's YT future channel so he can share to the world taht prot wars are viable option if you play them good 😃

[ember arrow]

every tank is viable. no tank is physically incapable of clearning mythic or a +10

[rough egret]

I totaly understand

[sick sentinel]

but still bdk will carry trash group

aka pugs

[ember arrow]

you dont compare tanks on the worst content/groups though

[raven kernel]

People cite bad prots all the time though

XD

[sick sentinel]

90% of feedback you have is from people pugging

maybe less than 1% is from people doing top content

[torn sun]

Well yes, but you can check that the number of warriors and guardians on top mythic+ and mythic uldir is really low, so that should mean there is something wrong about it right .. but it is playable, since there are warriors who cleared mythic uldir and +17

[ember arrow]

yes thats what i said

[torn sun]

yeah

you are all correct basically 😄

only issue is that the 90% of player base that report it, are probably not able to pinpoint the root of the problem

But I believe there were a few good posts from the top warriors, which usually know what would help

[wind scroll]

Wut.. leveling a prot warrior = rediculous damage ;O

[old zephyr]

the thing that make BRM and BDK top choice is that they ar eless punished for mistakes and recover more easyly.
AKA progress material

perfectly executed prot war in e perfectly executed team is probably better than them.
but noone plays perfectly

[ember arrow]

i dont think so

a bdk with equal skill level in prot and dk, will perform better on the dk

[junior igloo]

There are 2 main defensive metrics.

1. Healing required.
This includes damage reduction and self healing.
Warriors are top for damage reduction, so even though we don't have a lot of self healing, we are competitive in EHRPS.
This metric is probably the most important in most types of content (if we include things like world quests, dungeons, LFR etc.) and tanks are reasonably well balanced for it.

2. Effective HP
In some situations (typically higher difficulty raids because you have 4-5 competent healers behind you) the healing required isn't that important. If you need a little more healing every second than the other tank, it doesn't matter much if you have beacon and 5 hots from 5 healers running on you, the throughput isn't a problem. It's not like healers go oom from healing a tank.
The way you die in mythic raids is getting 2-3 hits with maybe some special attack in between with 2 healers out of range, 1 moving out of fire with debuff and another finishing a cast on someone else.
The total healing required isn't too high to handle for the healers, but the reaction time too short.
And that's where warriors struggle, our EHP is the lowest of all tanks.

[fossil basalt]

When blizzard give us decent buff

Overally bfa is boring expansian

No new skill , rotation

Nerfed edition of legion

Boring clunky , so many players cancelling subs

[finite quail]

@junior igloo but our magic damage reduction is horrible haha

[tropic star]

our magic dmg reduction isnt really that much worse than anyone else

SR and wall for big hits

IP for constant dmg. just sucks that we dont have RFDT to assist with constant magic dmg when not being attacked

[uneven mason]

If we had RFDT for just magic...or if IP would refund rage when it absorbed magic

But our magic Damage reduction is probably better than the other tanks, DS+SR+IP is 36% Reduction with another *0.5 up to a value

[lusty grotto]

SR and Demo Shout

oh mac covered it

[dense flame]

Would be interesting if they included the leggo bracers effect into spec. 🙏

[bronze lance]

rather have shield slam reduce shield wall i think lol

[mighty gulch]

Am i the only prot warrior that loves explosive?

I see it as free healing

[reef fulcrum]

Not the only one for sure

[oblique garnet]

its annoying as hell if youre the only one dealing with the mechanic

[uneven mason]

Devastate doesn't hit hard enough

shield slam one shots them orbs

but its a PITA

to be sure if no one else is listening

had to eat a +9 Shrine lastnight

[chilly brook]

L

O

L

[rough egret]

in

your

face

😄

[signal plover]

Don't pay any mind to YT comments

[sand egret]

oh man I woulda lost my shit if that troll called out your 97% Deep Wounds uptime

[lusty grotto]

ROFL Griff

usually when haters come knocking by, you're doing something right

[sand egret]

in uplifting news, did a +9 KR last night with this 4 stack. They didn't say a thing for most of the run and got a whisper at the end "we were worried about having a warrior tank, but oh man thanks for the carry". Another day, another mind hopefully changed for the better.

[lusty grotto]

nice

[sand egret]

i've begun to live for just applying to PUGs to change their mind

[modern brook]

im glad 97% DWuptime is still a thing through the day

[lusty grotto]

i did a 10 AD yesterday, got Rezan 😃

[sand egret]

siiick

wf/tf?

[lusty grotto]

socket

😃

[sand egret]

haha not bad get that extra haste

[tight tree]

will our buffs will be cancelled altogether by DC nerf 🤔

[chilly brook]

I’m not mad

[sand egret]

nope

[chilly brook]

I just genuinely think it’s funny

[sand egret]

yeah haters gonna hate

probably made a YT account just to write that

[tall pelican]

Dc?

[sand egret]

clearly he looked up your stats and shit

[lusty grotto]

deafening crash, and no

[chilly brook]

Apparently he did

[lusty grotto]

DC will still be strong

[tight tree]

@maiden cliff piss on him to assert dominance 😂

[chilly brook]

But I find it funny that he doesn’t talk about my personal performance rather he talks about the group performance

[lusty grotto]

and it's an overall buff

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook whose video?

[chilly brook]

Mine

[primal crypt]

Link

Is it a prot warrior video?

[tight tree]

was sarcastic a bit tbh

[chilly brook]

Yea it’s a prot guide

[primal crypt]

gimme

[chilly brook]

Sent it to your DMs

[lusty grotto]

i just want to troll the shit out of him

[primal crypt]

Thanx

[chilly brook]

Yeet

[lusty grotto]

sorry, that's not what i meant

[tight tree]

i like buffs but kinda want more 😃

[bronze lance]

I want it as well, but i am going to wait till you copy paste something else so it is more of an inconvience for you

[mighty gulch]

YIPPEE IT'S RESET DAY I can't wait to be disappointed by my cache for the 4th week in a row!

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sand egret]

I had a moment last night were I was tanking, looking at my cds and being very happy to have those 2 seconds off SB in 8.1.

[mighty gulch]

.....

[lusty grotto]

judging by the last 3 weeks, im probably gonna get yet another Azerite piece that will promptly go to my Arms spec

[mighty gulch]

Can i get a F

[sand egret]

I'd want to shoot fucking nukes like the next guy, but I'm totally ok with our planned improvements

[lusty grotto]

WTB shield, will do sexual favors

[mighty gulch]

^^ me

[sand egret]

I can't check my cache till after work so 😭

[chilly brook]

“Yo you’re not 8/8M and you don’t have a 1400 raider.io, you need to learn not teach” meanwhile parsing oranges and purples and I’d say I have above average logs

[lusty grotto]

same blade

[sand egret]

i got a 380 shield 2 weeks ago, so I'm not expecting much

[mighty gulch]

im stuck with a ilvl 300 shield

And ive been tanking +10's with it

[lusty grotto]

ehh my shield is 355

[sand egret]

but boy getting that shield changed my world

[lusty grotto]

but still wtb

[upbeat depot]

got lucky from the warfront and got a 370 shield from the loot box

[sand egret]

maybe it was perception bias but man did I feel it

[mighty gulch]

Maybe i can get a shield in my uldir cache? 😄

[oblique garnet]

maybe this weeks cache will reward more than monelite ore

[chilly brook]

I can’t imagine how scatter brained you have to be to dismiss someone because of metrics that gave everything to do with the group and not the individual performance

[open bluff]

probably a dumb question but

[mighty gulch]

Pray for me?

[lusty grotto]

i've done so many stupid Vectis

[open bluff]

which would you guys pick?

i'm leaning toward the casque for bloodsport/rezan's simply because gemhide

[sand egret]

wooo bloodsport

[chilly brook]

Bloodsport

[mighty gulch]

what addon is that

[sand egret]

shit has IV on it to

[oblique garnet]

the other one with impassive visage

[sand egret]

no-brainer

[chilly brook]

And I’d grab Impassive instead of Gemhide

[rough egret]

isnt gemhide better?

[mighty gulch]

gemhide is nutty

[open bluff]

eh, i only really do normal and low m+ on my warr right now so

[sand egret]

i'm in love with IV, personally

[oblique garnet]

Visage heals alot

[open bluff]

IV probably would be better

[chilly brook]

Impassive is pretty nutty

[sand egret]

esp in M+

if you can get 2 stacked, oh man I'm getting the vapors just thinkin bout it

[oblique garnet]

2 AV and 2 IV on m+ feels good

[open bluff]

thanks guys, thought i had the right piece in mind just wanted to be sure

[mighty gulch]

what addon shows all the azerite traits?

on mouseover

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook lolololololol

"Im telling you, its viable"

Why are we not top tier......wat

[rough egret]

and for tier2 its overhelmig the one to go?

[chilly brook]

I mean we’re not

We’re tier 2

[primal crypt]

WE ARE

[chilly brook]

Because tier 1 is broken

[primal crypt]

I dont need this negativity

[upbeat depot]

we got a soft haste cap in BFA? im sitting at 38% haste with all stacks of into the fray

[chilly brook]

Lol

@upbeat depot no

[primal crypt]

Panda 🐷

[digital arrow]

lol

[chilly brook]

You always want more haste

[primal crypt]

Good lord...griff over here calling other tank classes window lickers lmfao

[chilly brook]

xD

It was probably some pissed off DK that made that comment

[upbeat depot]

@chilly brook guess ill keep on stacking then

[primal crypt]

Youre a fat panda....

[chilly brook]

Yep yep

[primal crypt]

I cant stand this

[chilly brook]

No I’m a fat troll

🙃

Because only a true troll would play a panda

[primal crypt]

Is that khakans prot weak auras?

[chilly brook]

Yep

[primal crypt]

Didnt know he updated

[bronze lance]

oh yea i should download that, guess i have a reason to log into wow today

.......damn

[lusty grotto]

lol

[primal crypt]

Thought it was stil broken

You on a wide screen?

[mighty gulch]

Replace the war machine grill or keep it?

[sand egret]

keep imho

[primal crypt]

Keep

[chilly brook]

Yea I’m on a 21:9 monitor

[mighty gulch]

My thoughts tbh

[lusty grotto]

[primal crypt]

Lifespeed/reaounding better

Resounding*

@chilly brook looks good

I like this guide

Prot warrior is tier 2

[sand egret]

ya know what would be hilarious that I was thinking about today

[primal crypt]

Not bad for being window lickers

[lusty grotto]

bears are tier 3

[sand egret]

what if, in the MDI, some team just crushes with a Prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

the tier that's deleted from the game lol

[lusty grotto]

for fucks sake

[digital arrow]

good mornin friends

[lusty grotto]

CHECK THE ICY VEINS GUIDE

[digital arrow]

time to open my cache and get some TRASH

[sand egret]

haha woo

/pray

[digital arrow]

🙏

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

i think the better question is why are you using LoW with Elemental Whirl instead of Globules

🤔

sry my #arms is leaking

[rough egret]

arms pieve

piece

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[mighty gulch]

Arms section told me whirl was better than globules

[lusty grotto]

that's why i said

[mighty gulch]

And the sims said whirl was better too

[lusty grotto]

weird

globules always sim higher for me

oh wel

[lusty grotto]

ST or AOE?

[chilly brook]

@primal crypt 👌🏻

[prisma crane]

simming for aoe seems pointless

[mighty gulch]

Thats single target

[prisma crane]

yea but that's where glob would win iirc

[lusty grotto]

still sims higher on my set

[mighty gulch]

Weird

I'll respec it.

[lusty grotto]

nah

go with your sim

[mighty gulch]

Oh, sure.

[primal crypt]

No need to sim for aoe

Unless its for motherlode

[mighty gulch]

I wish a very clear list of the traits would be made. The one on icy veins just vaguely lists them and makes a description

[primal crypt]

Then you can sim hectic add cleave for 40 sec

And mash shit

[mighty gulch]

Yeah true

[lusty grotto]

the list in IV is in order of importance

[primal crypt]

^

[mighty gulch]

I have DC Plating and bloodsport atm

[digital arrow]

i heard simming on fury would yield same results as if i were simming on prot, u guys think thats true?

[digital arrow]

i've yet to mess around with sim

[mighty gulch]

no

[lusty grotto]

not right now

[sand egret]

no

[lusty grotto]

but keep for after 8.1

[kind urchin]

385 DC shoulders today.

[mighty gulch]

Next patch yes, not now though

[sand egret]

DC is unfortunately God right now

[lusty grotto]

why would you delete it lol

[mighty gulch]

Avatar, temple of seth buff, time warp. 1 thunder clap every second. It's godly.

[lusty grotto]

🤷

yeah for sure

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook this video is sooooo long

Wtb time stamps

[chilly brook]

Oddly enough I wanted it to be short

But I couldn’t really compact everything that I thought was relevant any shorter

[primal crypt]

Its good

Relevant

Just long as af

😂

[chilly brook]

I guess that’s the problem with playing a class that actually has stuff it has to do

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook you using shimmering buttstuff?

[chilly brook]

Shimmering Haven?

Yea

I like it but I know others don’t

[primal crypt]

Swap it out on m+m

?

M+?

Jesus

[chilly brook]

Too cheap to

Lol

[primal crypt]

Good god

The damage intake

🤣 🤣

So scary

[chilly brook]

On what?

[primal crypt]

The 4 pack

After the boss in underrot

Ingestion boss

[chilly brook]

Oh

[primal crypt]

You had no cds left lol

[chilly brook]

Some old footage

[oblique garnet]

they still do alot of damage with the curse

[primal crypt]

Mhmm

Good video nonetheless

I like how you emphasize that you have to actually learn to play your class

Yeaaaaaa @chilly brook solod the last boss of underrot

👌

[sand egret]

the 4 pack with the deathspeaker and the 3 raised guardians?

yeah that wicked frenzy cast is woof

another reason to have a druid haha

[digital arrow]

i always have to step off shimmering haven circle!

[chilly brook]

Last boss in underrot is my fav

Ez pz

“Healer don’t worry about me just DPS”

[mortal vale]

Coming back to my prot warrior after a couple expansions playing something else - what are the ups and downs for the class right now?

[bronze lance]

reduce the most damage, you die if you mess up at all

or something

[mortal vale]

Still fairly low iLevel, so I was wondering if that had much to do with it, but it does feel squish if you miss a mitigation.

Rage feels a bit wonky too.

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean miss

specifically

rage shouldn't be an issue with BV

[mortal vale]

Not enough rage to put up IP/Shield block, or IP on GCD and couldn't get it up fast enough.

[lusty grotto]

that sounds like you're not using it correctly

[bronze lance]

dont do ip on CD

[mortal vale]

Maybe not - it's been a few xpacs so it feels different than when I used to play it.

[lusty grotto]

do you have any WAs tracking IP amounts?

they help

[mortal vale]

No, I save IP for when needed. I just switched to BV and that has helped a lot

No, that would help. I'll get those in a few mins.

[lusty grotto]

you can use the ones in the pin or you can use what Griff uses which i recommend and also use: https://wago.io/NJeZW75_Z

and yes it's important to have the right talents

so make sure you have Unstoppable force, Bolster, BV and AM

[chilly brook]

@mortal vale SB>IP; IP is now a smoothing mechanic, it doesn’t serve the same purpose as it did in legion where it was pretty much up 100% of the time

If you need a guide there are some written ones in the pins and I have a video guide if you’d prefer that

[lusty grotto]

keeping Demo Shout up now is a must as well

[mortal vale]

Yeah, I've figured that out - though I didn't play the prot war much in Legion either. I've basically stayed with SB and try to keep demo shout up

[lusty grotto]

you are on the right track

[mortal vale]

and IP when it's magic dmg or rage to spend

I think i'm missing something on the rage generation, it seems to not be there when I need it.

I'm trying to only revenge when it's free

[lusty grotto]

just to be clear IP isn't limited to just magic dmg

and demo shout reduces magic damage as well

[frosty lava]

what shield enchants are good as a prot warrior

[mortal vale]

no no, it's not, but it feels almost punishing on my rage to use it, so I think I'm missing something in the rotation

[lusty grotto]

there are no shield enchants

[chilly brook]

Shield enchants ha

[bronze lance]

thorium spike

[chilly brook]

I miss Wrath now

[lusty grotto]

weapon chain lol

[frosty lava]

what enchant is good

[lusty grotto]

there are no shield enchants

[oblique garnet]

What talents are you using?

[chilly brook]

Yea there aren’t any shield enchants

[lusty grotto]

but if youre looking to enchant your one hander... icy veins guide has everything you need

[chilly brook]

Those went the way of the dodo after Wrath

[frosty lava]

there is

112

[lusty grotto]

there are huh

[frosty lava]

1/1/2

[bronze lance]

im so confused now

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[lusty grotto]

those are talents, not enchants

[frosty lava]

he asked for my talents

[lusty grotto]

oh

[oblique garnet]

The guy who is having rage issues

[lusty grotto]

he switched to BV recently, so that may have been the case

[sand egret]

yeah, well rage gets better once you get Booming Voice

[frosty lava]

well

what weapon enchants are good for prot warriors

[lusty grotto]

for leveling, it doesn't matter

[frosty lava]

twinking

[lusty grotto]

at max lvl: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gems-enchants-consumables

[frosty lava]

at lvl 60

[lusty grotto]

always look at the pins

👍

[oblique garnet]

lvl 60 its hard to say which is the best

cant even remember half of the enchants you could use

[lusty grotto]

i'm sure he can use end game enchants

there isn't any level restriction on it that i know

[oblique garnet]

are you sure?

[lusty grotto]

i could be wrong

[uneven mason]

it should scale down

[final mist]

Some of the later expansion enchants have restrictions.

[uneven mason]

been that way since MoP I think

[final mist]

IIRC you can still use MoP ones, I remember the DPS MoP one being good for leveling at some point.

[uneven mason]

WTB oldschool Mongoose

2% Flat haste

[lusty grotto]

he should definately use spikes if hes doing lvl 60

[uneven mason]

100% uptime

[oblique garnet]

Anyone know what the level cap on classic demo will be?

[uneven mason]

20?

[lusty grotto]

no idea

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i figured it might be 20

[bronze lance]

i thoguth it was 19

[oblique garnet]

So probably not worth paying 40€ for the blizzcon ticket

[bronze lance]

yous tart at 14 ro 15 and can level to 19

or maybe that was at blizzcon

[junior ivy]

I cant check my chest til like 630 😭 😭 😭

[mighty gulch]

15-19

[sand egret]

same 😭

[uneven mason]

Yup

I could ask my wife

to open it since I'm logged in...

but she has shit luck with loot

so not risking it

Daddy needs a 390 shield

[rough egret]

why not 395 with socket and avoidance

😄

[prisma crane]

but if you think about it

someone with shit loot luck

WOULD get the best items on a toon that isnt theirs

cuz you know, fuck them right?

lmao

that's how it would work for me

[uneven mason]

Hmm

you have a good point

lets see

[sand egret]

Judge: "It appears the filing for this divorce is under the ground of 'shitty loot luck', is this correct sir?"
Mactier: holds up dupe boots "Fuck yes, your Honor."

[uneven mason]

Boots

I've gotten 4 pairs of them

[sleek radish]

Hey brothers, which azerite traits would end up doing the most damage for mythic +?

[uneven mason]

Uh, for overall damage?

DC

3x DC would give you dmigod level damage

[wild atlas]

DC first, then I believe Rezans sims highest after that

[sleek radish]

What about singletarget damage? Would it still be DC?

[chilly brook]

Yes

TC is the majority of your damage even in single target

[sand egret]

it's like 40% or some absurd shit

[uneven mason]

Add another 600 avg per hit to that

[chilly brook]

That’s on fetid btw

[sleek radish]

oh my

[uneven mason]

Yeah mine was on Ghuun

[wild atlas]

I mean yes DC is a given, but since we can’t sim, I’m not sure if 3x DC is a gain over Rezan’s at 370

[uneven mason]

longer fight :p

it is

[sleek radish]

Yeah, I figured DC is best but i figured I'd ask

Which trinkets are best for damage? Vectis and Zek'voz trinket?

[wild atlas]

I think those at 385 will outsim fathoms.

I have 385 Syringe and Fathoms

Pretty bonkers

[open bluff]

fathoms and big red button until you get to 385+ trinkets iirc

at least, those are the bis damage trinkets for blood

[sleek radish]

right now i have 1 Archive (385) + 2 DC (370)

[oblique garnet]

lucky sob

[sleek radish]

What about secondary ring for damage? HMC seems pretty solid

[regal cove]

Yo fellow prot warriors! Is the Iron Fortress AT increasing the damage blocked?

[plain ice]

yea, it literally says Increases Block by X

[regal cove]

Yeah but I didn't know what exactly that meant...

[plain ice]

O.o

[wild atlas]

Yea, unfortunately you have to use Prot Pally and BDK to kind of guesstimate trinkets. I’ve been lucky with 7x Archive on 385 helm, 385 chest and DC.

[regal cove]

Could've meant percent

I thought at firs

[plain ice]

it would've said %

are you trolling?

~300% increased block 😂

[regal cove]

Hey man, guess im a simpleton. No need to rub it in my face

Thanks for your help

[junior igloo]

Well block rating is closer to a percentage than to an absolute value 🤷

[wild atlas]

No worries @regal cove. It would kind of require you to dig into the full benefit of block rating. But it’s a defensive gain altogether! 😄

[supple path]

Yeah, the whole block value translates to a hidden % value is not exactly well presented.

[uneven mason]

So, Block rating functions like armor

[uneven mason]

So wife opened the M+ chest

her bad luck holds, even on other characters

380 weapon, already have a 380 with socket

who was it that told me she'd have amazing luck on characters that wasn't her own

[next ermine]

she can come open my chest so i can replace my 355 with a socket

k thx

[supple path]

My weapon is still from a m0 5 uldir clears later.

Clearly she's just unlucky for you. give her here.

[uneven mason]

I mean, I've gotten 5 weapons all over 370

in the last 2 weeks

so

its just my run

[ivory barn]

fuck me... 4th pair of gloves in a row

prolly good for fury though

[next ermine]

what transmog sword is that

[ivory barn]

Honorbound Gladius w/ Berserking illusion

[next ermine]

ahhh, horde wep

rip

[ivory barn]

fit my mog well 😃

[prisma crane]

@uneven mason that was me lol, i'd love that 380 😉

[robust bronze]

rezan or howl?

[prisma crane]

lately i've been a fan of Jes since i can use it when i want it

[sand egret]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yosub-girl-taco-why-not-both-3o85xIO33l7RlmLR4I

[prisma crane]

and yea, i'd use both over blockades unless i was jsut getting trucked

[civic narwhal]

Does void lash affect our last stand on zekvoz?

[prisma crane]

shouldnt

[uneven mason]

pretty sure it does

since Last stand is a heal

[prisma crane]

well, the heal part of it

but the max hp prob not

[uneven mason]

Do it before the lash

[next ermine]

you should last stand every combo

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[next ermine]

if you can spend enough rage

[prisma crane]

yea do it first, win win

[uneven mason]

more or less you last stand so you can save rage on SB and just blow everything into IPs

[civic narwhal]

Kk thx

[next ermine]

^^^

[uneven mason]

Cause that fucker hurts on Mythic

[next ermine]

ya, its not fun

lol

[prisma crane]

but just have SR for first lash, make sure SB up for shatter and IP for last lash and it's not bad

[next ermine]

i use SR on last lash

[uneven mason]

last time I was in there he was like "Know what I heard you liked, when bosses decide to sidestep and hit you in the back with shatter, that's what I heard"

[prisma crane]

use it on the first one

less to heal up

[next ermine]

tru

[prisma crane]

you dont get healed after the second one anyways

so yea, that way less health deficit for heals to pick up while you're already at 50% reduction

and just NF the shatter 😉

who'd have thought i'd miss that damn ability

[uneven mason]

Doing combos as a warrior is our ultimate example of when we can plan out our cooldowns we look like Demigods and come out above 50% health

if you bank rage prior to combo

[next ermine]

why am i blanking on what NF is

[prisma crane]

nelth fury

artifact ability