protection

[austere oar]

Yeah our dps could start AoEing at around 42% on Zul to reset the crawgs going into p2, when we progged, if you wanted to mass cleave and parse you would have been kicked from the raid since you're ruining the 5 subs dps

[delicate breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288209/a-look-at-the-tank-changes-in-8-1-so-far

[raven kernel]

saw that

basically brm and dk barely touched

[stone crag]

which is fine, others are getting buffed

obviously it wont make much of a difference as of yet

none of the changes are drastic enough

[raven kernel]

i dont think its fine

brew needs to have more punishment for poor play

[stone crag]

would have to significantly change stagger to do that

[raven kernel]

dk is still over the line in 'too good' territory

[topaz ember]

they will now get hit for 3.5% more dmg with poor play wozers

[raven kernel]

basically means nothing to the brew, and healers get to heal 3.5% more

omegalul

[ember arrow]

skyhold will only be happy once brm and dk are deleted

wont change warrs shitty position though, even if that happens

[stone crag]

i'm sure more than just skyhold would be happy

[ember arrow]

id still take vdh or paladin over warrior

people must stop hatin' and start asking for buffs on their tank

or every tank is the same, nerfed to the ground

[topaz ember]

i wanted druids to be worse than us but this was not what i meant

[sick sentinel]

lol

[raven kernel]

im not even hating on other tanks lol

[ember arrow]

im not talking about you personally, but the vibe tends towards it

[raven kernel]

brew is a design flaw that needs to be addressed

[ember arrow]

unless i am mistaken

[stone crag]

"we can't nerf it now, too many people are playing it"

[raven kernel]

thats accurate

[ember arrow]

i know i keep bringing up legion, but if warrior's powerlevel would be similar, it would be perfect

[stone crag]

it's almost as if legion was better than bfa

[raven kernel]

i only saw start-of-legion warriors

which was way overtuned

i wouldnt want that

[ember arrow]

well yes, but i just say this because i bring it up 24/7

i dont mean EN war

[raven kernel]

after that pretty much it was all bear + X in EN and NH

[ember arrow]

i mean post NH

[raven kernel]

ah i wasnt around post NH so idk

[rough egret]

Im thinking about rerolling from BRM to prot warr.

[tall wadi]

the wowhead article says nothing about DC getting murdered or did I miss it

[rough egret]

I might regret that.. But..

[ember arrow]

@tall wadi DC's maximum DS increase is 6 seconds

[sick sentinel]

it wont be under prot specific buffs in that wowhead article.

[ember arrow]

@rough egret why not play both 😄

[sick sentinel]

it is an azerite trait specifc change in PTR notes.

[rough egret]

@ember arrow tru :)

Right know im reading all possible threads, to see the pros :D

As i was playing warr for whole Legion, I miss my warr

I miss the shield..

[ember arrow]

same, but luckily bfa is so bad i dont need to play anythng

or i would think im missing out

[raven kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243646904154587137/505823845857361948/unknown.png

i have fun on war

😃

[ember arrow]

that ui

[rough egret]

thats too much stacks 😄

what was the key?

what lvl

[raven kernel]

m10

tyrannical

[ember arrow]

so a farm key then

[raven kernel]

yeah my dps were alts / nonraiders in the guild

[rough egret]

so yes fun, thats what I want too

on BRM is not that funny for me

it was in the begining because it was something new.. but I like warr more

[raven kernel]

my healing from that run

killing explosive orbs is pretty good for proccing VR

lmao

[rough egret]

can I see your armory?

or raiderio prof

[raven kernel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Narujoa

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/frostmourne/Narujoa

[rough egret]

thx, just for inspiration

[raven kernel]

the mastery stacking is just for m+

dont do it in raids

[spare hinge]

Hmm... Prot got buffed on 8.1

 Ignore Pain is off the GCD, but has a 0.5 sec cooldown.
Shield Block now has a 16 sec cooldown (down from 18).
Vanguard passive now increased Stamina by 45% (up from 40%) and Armor gained from Strength by 55% (up from 50%).

[amber siren]

i mean you're not wrong

[stone crag]

yup, old news

[sick sentinel]

Old news

[nova gale]

Anyone tried prot on the PTR?

I am playing BrM right now and I'm kinda interested in switching to prot as it seems to be a bit more interesting than brm

[bold zinc]

Is Vanguard gonna bè the way to go on 8.1?

[amber siren]

What do you mean?

It's passive

And basline

[gray wolf]

or

socket right?

[raven kernel]

socket

[gray wolf]

👍

[uncut juniper]

Explosive is Blizzards answer to our lack of selfhealing 🌚

[dull pilot]

blizzard anser to weak prot warriors is to w8 till we out gear content

[sick sentinel]

I feel really strong when going to Antorus atm

I think we are in the correct path...

In about 3 tiers, Uldir should be ez pz

[odd ridge]

That's good news

[uneven mason]

get pulled into what I thought was pushing a +9, turns out to be a 7, can't be mad because 395 titanforged haste cloak

[past hill]

@raven kernel you call this stacks? last 5 secs didnt get enough rage for shield block (28....) 😃

[green elbow]

Boy I hope you took that soulstone.

Unless you were just incredibly confident...

[primal crypt]

LIEGEN BLEIBEN

[past hill]

i didnt, but we killed him still

[green elbow]

Fair enough. Highest I've ever taken that guy is like..40? But I was on a monk at the time, which is a little cheating.

[mighty gulch]

Is darkmoon deck blockade any good?

[astral crystal]

L I E G E N B L E I B E N

dawg devastate on 1, smdh

[raven kernel]

@past hill good job 👍

[green elbow]

Darkmoon deck is a crap, random heal. It is, however, a heal that happens reasonably often, and a static amount of str

So for defensive, it's quite functional

Don't equip it for damage unless it's your highest ilvl trinket, and defensive make up your own mind but probably not if you're giving up a lot of str in that slot (if it's your highest or tied for highest, for defensive it's quite good)

Longwinded way of saying: it really depends what choices you have.

[past hill]

@astral crystal , same keybindings since years, brain cant handle changes :D at least ist my anti-bop keys so even with devestator, its there! :D

[astral crystal]

yeah i know that feel

it's weird for me to have shield slam on any key but 4

and i have to put the shield slam equivalent on other tanks on 4 as well

[past hill]

true

only exception was argusraid, where i literally bound my shield slam and battle cry macro on 4 different keys. so i could relax some fingers

[grand trellis]

Deafening crash doesnt get nerfed til 8.1 right? so dont replace gear that has it on it with higher ilvl

[astral crystal]

ye

[slender shard]

Does anyone know if you can still get the prot hidden appearance for your artifact?

[lusty grotto]

you can

the only one gone is Mage Tower

[slender shard]

anything special need to be done or just read the tablet and check everyday?

[lusty grotto]

nothing special other than that

[waxen talon]

its random sapwn soo

just click it

nothing else required

[slender shard]

thanks 😃

[lusty grotto]

there are macros to help you check but that's it

[green elbow]

you don't have to read teh tablet, you DO have to be in prot spec

Otherwise just check every day after reset for the emote.

[spiral crypt]

best alliance race for prot?

[astral crystal]

dark

iron

DONG

[rough egret]

Kul Tiran ofc

😄

curently im plain as void elf

but I want to buy a race change when kul tirans will be live

[astral crystal]

you can be a thicc lazy human who lives a life of indigence and poverty

or you can be an industrious dwarf who has worked in the hottest mountain known to azeroth for his enitre life

literally forged by the flames

and takes 1% less phys dmg

[rough egret]

so speaking defensively its rly DID ?

i like kul tirans just because of the look

strong sailor

[astral crystal]

the differences are minimal honestly, it doesn't matter

it's an aesthetic preference for the most part

[brittle timber]

Fireblood: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 100 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec. 2 min cooldown.

super strong

[astral crystal]

but yeah di dwarf has great synergies with tanks

str steroid + debuff clear + innate 1% phys dmg reduction

fireblood also has a base str increase

if you dont have debuffs it'll still increase your str

[brittle timber]

not to mention, you can port all around the game with a bit of effort beforehand

[astral crystal]

also 4% faster indoors

[steel mauve]

Biggest issue with di dwarf racial is it doesnt clear zuls debuff

[astral crystal]

wouldn't call that an issue though

it's just a boss mechanic

[last mason]

is there any sort of list of blockable bfa dungeon abilities anywhere, or just experience

[raven kernel]

pins

[last mason]

ah ty

whats a block tracker wa?

new to prot btw

[raven kernel]

are you asking what the block tracker does?

[last mason]

yea

[raven kernel]

bolster talent makes last stand give 100% block

so we dont need to shield block during its duration

so the WA accounts for both

helps you not to waste shield block charges during last stand

[last mason]

oh ok, so its basically just a last stand duration timer?

[raven kernel]

will show either

sb or ls

[last mason]

ahh gotcha

[daring marlin]

kul tiran humans are gonna be awful

same problem with male pandaren

jiggle belly plate

yuck

[ember arrow]

Thats cool though

[winged hare]

Hello may I have a question to You? It's about Zul

I can't stand his P2, debuff is killing me way to fast whenever Shield Wall fades. I was swaping at 3 to max 4 stacks and I am just dying, using Ignore Pain gives me nothing I am just standing with mele, with just debuff, without aggro and I'm dead with 10s+ duration on this damned debuff that causes me to leave blood on the middle and we're wiping.

[raven kernel]

once you swap

run out to the edge of the room

[oblique garnet]

Not getting heals

[raven kernel]

and get a BOP

[winged hare]

Guide says that tanks should swap at 2 stacks, is it even possible

[raven kernel]

also you need to be healed hard still

[winged hare]

I had no pala

[raven kernel]

swap at 3 with 2 tanks usually

you can use 3 tank to swap at 2

[winged hare]

I see

[raven kernel]

no pala is super rough

you need at least 1 healer full time healing you

[winged hare]

So this depends a lot on healers and paladins?

[raven kernel]

yes

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[winged hare]

Thanks a lot

That kinda sucks :P
But at least I know that it's not my faullt ._.

[astral crystal]

call for externals too

[steel mauve]

Theres a limited amount you can do to help the healers, but if you dont have a healer legit focusing you then youll die

Good IP usage helps, shield wall and last stand help

Demo shout helps

[winged hare]

Yeah I am using those, and not stacking if possible

[steel mauve]

And externals, but after that its purely healera

[winged hare]

Thanks

[lusty grotto]

#ui-addons-manager

[ember crescent]

Heya - Tradewinds or a second Archive of the Titans?

[frigid spire]

what is the Real Stats listing for us?

[gaunt plume]

@royal wolf I usually run prot/frost dk I run some prot/enhance but just started some prot/DH last night they all work well so far

[royal wolf]

Thank you!

[chilly brook]

Wow I missed the conversation when someone said that tanks worrying about their damage is a mistake and parsing is cancer lul

[ember arrow]

when

[chrome falcon]

370 DC or 385 Rezan's Fury for Zul Mythic

What do we think does more ST dps

Probably the 385 Rezan's right?

[chilly brook]

bro

I mean you lose out on high uptime on a 15% damage buff @chrome falcon

[chrome falcon]

Yeah but I can't really spam TCs

Or I just kill the crawgs

[chilly brook]

Oh zul

kek

[chrome falcon]

This is why I specified Zul

[last mason]

hey guys, new to prot, ip and sw usually are used in tandom with eachother right? and how do you burst in aoe, just avatar and tc every other gcd?

[chrome falcon]

and Rezan's Fury does a LOT of fucking damage

[chilly brook]

yea I misread cuz I'm dumb

@last mason SB>IP if blockable damage

[chrome falcon]

Rezan's is doing ~10k per proc

Without AV/DS up

[chilly brook]

And if you're new to prot here you go, should answer all the questions, either that or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4M73w_EOH4

@last mason

[manic basalt]

does iron fortress stack>

?

[remote tusk]

Yes

[manic basalt]

awesome thanks

[onyx lily]

question

how the hell do you survive rupturing blood on zul's phase 2

i die to rupturing blood every single time

ticks for 60-70k constantly, like how are you supposed to survive that

[cinder nova]

You uh

Use your wall

And

you hit IP

[silk mortar]

Get heals

[cinder nova]

and you call for externals

[silk mortar]

And dont run away

[cinder nova]

and get healing

[silk mortar]

And

Yeha

^

[onyx lily]

i guess it could be a healing thing then

i use wall and as much IP as possible on that part

there's not really much else to use

[sick sentinel]

hey can someone tell me , how is the stat prio from Tank

[cinder nova]

Ilvl

And...

yeah

ilvl.

Also

[sick sentinel]

ahh ok^^

and sockets

[mellow bridge]

Gem and better stats or ilvl for shield?

I'd obv go for ilvl usually but I'm not sure with the gem

[steel mauve]

Always ilvl for shield

[merry cave]

^^

[chrome falcon]

@shut summit What the hell do you do on Zul that lets you do that much damage to the Crawgs? Are you the guy tanking them? We're really struggling with me ripping aggro on Crawgs and not being able to take them off

[chrome falcon]

I guess maybe prot is an ok tank for Crawgs

But I'd rather our VDH offspec does it

[steel mauve]

Its only him and rogues on crawgs, no one else touches them

[sick sentinel]

Sense tanks everything.

He's not afraid.

He also raid leader and raid trusts him.

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel it's not a matter of being able to survive, it's about how his raid damage breaks down in such a way that that happens

but i guess it helps that they don't have warlocks and frost mages hitting them too

problem is our warlocks lose quite a bit of damage from not pressing phantom singularity

[uneven mason]

Since everything Crawgs do is blockable it kinda makes sense

[steel mauve]

I see what you did there 🤔

[uneven mason]

Unintentional puns are always the best

Also, hit 35% haste after ITF, feels good man

[heady citrus]

im at 41% before buffs

[sick sentinel]

lol

[azure perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwiCMz2CX94 @chrome falcon - This is what we do that allows us to cheese on the crawgs. 😐

[sick sentinel]

do I replace?

[fierce juniper]

I would, yeah.

[sick sentinel]

str socket or haste

[fierce juniper]

haste

[sick sentinel]

thanks

[azure perch]

Haste all the way

[queen owl]

i dont think there is a single prot war ability that uses weapon damage/DPS anyways. its all AP. weapons = stat sticks

[delicate bone]

@onyx lily we use bubbles from out retis for the first two runouts

[sick sentinel]

that white damage though

[uneven mason]

@queen owl I'm pretty sure that WDPS is translated into its AP value for things impacted by AP...

[queen owl]

is it?

looks like gonna have to science that...

[bitter fable]

Is there any streamer playing higher keys in m+

[queen owl]

nope, warrior ded

all DH, monk and DK

[broken kite]

Sense has some vods

But very few prot higher m+

Search snse I think it is

[queen owl]

volcanic raging = ez week

[bitter fable]

Shame i thought i could go from.my op monk on my old classic warrior but i guess it will never happen

[queen owl]

i mean if you want to be doing +16, +17, +18 as prot war, you might run into difficulty...

but then again, I dont know what you think a "high" key is.

[amber sierra]

Just coming back to playing wow is ignore pain still a priority for rage spending?

or is it just for rage dump atm?

[queen owl]

well if you dont use it, your healers will hate you.

[amber sierra]

So should we prioritize ignore pain and just use shield block for things requiring a defensive?

[queen owl]

anyways, its either IP or unbuffed revenge you spend rage on, aside from shield block

[merry cave]

Wonder if steaming 10-14 keys as prot would be interesting for people

Finally gonna have good internet soon (well good for aus lol)

[queen owl]

no, you use both block and IP

unless the enemy you are fighting is unblockable damage then you dont shield block

[amber sierra]

which level 90 talent should I be using?

atm i have booming voice

[merry cave]

That's correct

[junior ivy]

id watch a warrior tank doin 10-14s

[queen owl]

warriors just do good damage. they eat shit without the support of his allies to help kite/take the edge off

[undone pilot]

any idea if intercept works on rezan's devour?

[queen owl]

no idea, science it

[undone pilot]

it does not

lol

[heady citrus]

https://gyazo.com/fc269afe9667eb0fb2a58d2c05f855a9 which trinkets do you guys like?

[wise jackal]

How big of a deal is Ignore Pain coming off the GCD?

[lucid kelp]

Mythic Fetid. Anything super different than heroic from a Tanking standpoint for someone eating the thrashes?

[merry cave]

I don't think it's huge thorsdae, others will make it out to be the greatest thing ever though

I'd keep it on gcd for unnerfed dc 🤷

[random finch]

Mythic fetid just hits really really fucking hard most the changes are for dps and healers to deal with

[astral crystal]

@lucid kelp hope you hav archiv with haste

wow my e's

anyway helps tremendously with sblock uptime

[wise jackal]

Yeah the buffs seem good but I don't know if it's enough to remove this weird stigma that Prot Warrior "isn't good" right now

[astral crystal]

2 secs off sblock is great imo

so is ip off gcd, but deafening crash nerf sucks

[sick sentinel]

2s off sblock going to be OP as fuck for the higher ilvl haste prot warriors.

nonstop blocking between it and bolster.

[wise jackal]

I leveling a Monk 1 to 120 and a Paladin to 110 and still keep coming back to Prot Warrior. They'll never make it so bad that I won't play it, it seems.

[random finch]

My only question is with the changes to sb is haste gonna lose some value cause isn’t there a point where it just becomes diminishing returns to have so much haste

Well more breakpoint

[astral crystal]

yeah i have like 50% haste going into pulls on m+

i can already pretty much keep sb up

2 secs less means sb cd is down to like 10 seconds

[merry cave]

As I've said before we could be top tank and the stigma will remain for most

It's going to take big appearances at mdi or serverely op for a bit to change things

[bold zinc]

did a prot warrior get a mythic ghuun kill yet?

[merry cave]

Yup

[hot locust]

I think like 8 of us

G'huun been dead for a while.

G'huun isn't too bad to be honest.

I think early fetid prog was spookier. (in terms of tank damage)

[digital arrow]

im having to deal with explosive corruption, tank swap and add comes out at the same time

QQ

[merry cave]

Lala did you use ant special gear or ip traits or just run normal setuo

For ghuun that is

[hot locust]

Nope, nothing special.

[merry cave]

Thanks

[bold zinc]

In undecided between bm tank or prot warrior

Monk

[merry cave]

Play what's fun

[bold zinc]

They are both

[merry cave]

BM is the least interesting tank Ive ever played I couldn't do it

[hot locust]

nah that's druid

[bold zinc]

Really

[broken kite]

Bm seems pretty safe

If uninteresting

[tight lake]

druid literally 3 buttons

mangle, swipe, moonfire

[merry cave]

Yeah I find BM just as bad but maybe druid is slightly worse

I couldn't main either

[open bluff]

oof, that moment when you replace your sword before your board

[sharp dew]

So is it vers>mast, no more mast>=vers?

[merry cave]

I prefer vers for m+ but that's an opinion not a hard math thing

[sharp dew]

So its like antorus still then with them being about equal and it becoming preference

[merry cave]

I believe that is correct

[sharp dew]

Alright thanks ❤

[junior ivy]

how do i move this cast var

bar

[fair root]

swap to feral and make it insta cast?

[junior ivy]

no like

what addon is it

[magic drift]

Isn't that the default blizzard castbar?

[brittle timber]

Looks like it

Can probably be moved with whatever bar mod you use

or moveanything or quartz

[raven kernel]

I prefer mastery for m+ @sharp dew @merry cave

[merry cave]

Yeah I've heard that before too, vers serves me well though :)

[raven kernel]

I like the attack power

Bigger claps bigger ips

But also quite high crit block chance

Its actually noticeable on medium+ pulls

Also boosts Base block chance

[merry cave]

I've generally found I'm almost unkillable on pulls where block is useful, what gets me is casters/shooting mobs which is why I like vers

[raven kernel]

So on low mob count or soft hitting mobs I don't even put up sb to restock charges for next pull

[merry cave]

Although after 8.1 mast finds more use with that

[raven kernel]

My Base block parry dodge is almost 50%

So I can get by with just ip in those situations

[merry cave]

I mean usually my gear works out to be pretty even on haste/mast and haste/vers bits so evens itself out 😂 😂 😂

[raven kernel]

Generally all stats are good for us

But I stack mastery for m+ and play around my high mastery intentionally

Really want the bastion of might trait in 8.1

Mastery stack gear with that stacked trait for dps memes

But I'd prob just go back to haste set since that trait will cover my mastery needs

[thick zinc]

is it better to have 340 shoulders with deafining crash then 355 with iron fortress?

have no deafining crash except 340 shoulders sadly

[merry cave]

Yes

[thick zinc]

alright 😃 thanks for the answer

[junior ivy]

how do i move blizz cast bar

[thick zinc]

without addons i think you can only move it so it's beneath the portait of your character

else you can use addons like MoveAnything or Quartz for example

[junior ivy]

i have moveeveryhting

but dunno where it is

nm i found it

[merry cave]

@junior ivy I really think it's time you be brave and put aside a couplr hours then nuke your UI and mod folders from orbit and start again fresh :P

[junior ivy]

😦 i dunno...

[fair root]

Swap to boomie and /cast [@C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns] Lunar Strike

[lucid kelp]

um...what?

[junior ivy]

lmao

[merry cave]

You could always save your wtf and add-ons elsewhere cat in case :P

[bold zinc]

Blood or prot

This is the question

[raven kernel]

Prot for brave men

[brisk flax]

Blood Siphon stacks ya?

[merry cave]

Do you like lots of m+ invites, easy life and op utility?

Because if you do definitely pick prot

[brisk flax]

lol

dripping with sarcasm

[amber siren]

Just don't pug

ez

[raven kernel]

What's pug

[tiny sphinx]

@junior ivy i use quartz as my cast bars and bartender lets you move them (and pretty much everything else) around

[timid jay]

Domios > bartender

prove me wrong

[queen owl]

any deafening crash is better than any shoulder

er

[amber siren]

p sure dominos uses less memory than BT

[timid jay]

Yup

[queen owl]

gettign 1 rank of deafening crash is better than any other possible piece, even 385. it really changes up the rotation and hugely reduces the amount of sustained damage you take

you can easily get a 40 second long demo shout

and you'll have enough rage to weave in shield blocks and ignore pains

[steel mauve]

Isnt the most you can get is 32 seconds of demo shout?

[sick sentinel]

You get so much demo shout you get to cast it again before it is over

[mighty gulch]

Filthy transfusion or bloodsport?

[amber siren]

I'd go for BS personally since having to keep mobs still is not realistic

[mighty gulch]

kk

[fair crystal]

I really like BS wish the leech onh it was a bit better tho 😛 wonder how Strong it will be with IP off the GCD

[merry cave]

DC doesn't change the rotation that much you still TC on cd anyway

[cinder nova]

Not very

[keen compass]

He guys, just wondering if it's possible to make a macro combining Thunder Clap and Devastate? I'd like Thunder clap to be priority, and have Dev as filler.

[raven kernel]

No

[mint kite]

No they’re both on gcd

Anyways i put a little something together tell me what you think

The prot warrior suffers from a high skill floor, but a skill ceiling not too much higher than that, because they are either doing it wrong or right with no inbetween. It’s lack of self sustain makes it so any mistakes, or lack of precision timing are brutally punished. Despite these, prot warrior can be just as viable as a blood dk or a demon hunter, however, it’s because of these facts that it rarely ever is.

Is that like a decent observation? I’ve become sort of a meme in my guild so i guess this is like some form of venting.

[cinder nova]

My DPS officer rides my ass about it

But our brewmaster gets blown away by zek while he shouts papertank at me between pulls

[raven kernel]

I raid as dps

Some dps meme me about prot but I'm my heal officer's tank of choice for m+

And another healer has been asking me to tank for him in m+ too

On suitable weeks it's really good to use prot war to push high m+ keys

[cinder nova]

I'm mostly dejected about my 373 ilvl while my cotank is a goober with 381

Can't get any loot out of mythic uldir

I haven't seen a new trinket upgrade since the first week of conquest chest rewards

Still suffering with a 350 shield

[raven kernel]

Personal loot yay

[amber siren]

yeah i get shittalked by my bdk friend and he plays fotm classes so 👀

can't please everybody, just do what you want and make sure you have some clue

ezpz

[cinder nova]

What you do is shame them with big dick damage

while taking none yourself

[trim island]

hows prot actually looking in 8.1? fun? good?

[amber siren]

we're looking better, IP change might lure some people back

It's honestly hard to say

[worthy karma]

so..... im tanking mythic fetid tomorrow, should i be main tank or thrash?

[ember arrow]

Whos ur cotank

[worthy karma]

monl

monk*

[amber siren]

monk should be taking the thrash

[ember arrow]

You shud mt prob

[worthy karma]

yea thats what i was thinking

[limpid leaf]

Is there a cheat sheet for how to setup weak auras for ignore pain? I tried follwoing the pinned link here but it made no sense to me

I just installed werak auras using the twitch client, what woul;d be next?

[ember arrow]

Wago.io

Copy paste

[limpid leaf]

yeah copy what to where?

[ember arrow]

The long string

Then ingame you import it

Pasting it essentially

[limpid leaf]

should I also use the block tracker?

[ember arrow]

If you want to

Its helpful

[limpid leaf]

so i just paste the string into chat text?

[ember arrow]

No

[limpid leaf]

into the addon?

[ember arrow]

You type ingame /wa

It opens menu

[limpid leaf]

ok got it

[ember arrow]

Then you select import string

Then you copy paste it into it

[limpid leaf]

oooh it worked!

[ember arrow]

Yes

[limpid leaf]

omg you'

re a legend

[ember arrow]

Ty

[limpid leaf]

@ember arrow is a legend!

[ember arrow]

Well im off. Almost arrived at work. Gl and peace

[limpid leaf]

so now that its "loaded" what do i do, like where does it pop up?

[ember arrow]

It can pop up i combat

Or out

It depends what the setting is

U can customize all aspects of it

I dont play warr so idk how exactly it looks like

[limpid leaf]

ok i will figure it out i guerss

thanks amte

mate

[ember arrow]

Np cya

[limpid leaf]

cyas

[mental scarab]

@limpid leaf check scos Discord he have wa strings that is superb 🙅🏻‍♂️

[thorn spruce]

👋 hey guys, Im looking for some logs to check on a thing, do you have any were you had really good shieldblock uptime? If so please send them to me 😃

[hot locust]

Woli pls

I'm at work but I can send you some when I get home and stuff.

Are you looking for high effective uptime, or just pure uptime?

@thorn spruce 😡

[thorn spruce]

preferebly effective uptime, but the most important thing is the continuous uptime

[hot locust]

kk

[random finch]

So i have two rings same haste value ones got mastery the other vers opinions?

[hot locust]

vers imo

[raven kernel]

I like mastery 🙄

[random finch]

i gain 2% vers and lose 3% mastery

[hot locust]

@raven kernel for the most part I agree, I just dont like double dipping and gearing for when we are already safest anyways.

Vers helps in all situations, all the time.

[raven kernel]

Yeah I favor mastery cos I only tank in m+

[random finch]

^that is true dont always crit block

[raven kernel]

I should log my m+ so I can check numbers

=/

[random finch]

Although i wish crit block was more consistent but

[hot locust]

I keep saying the same thing and never doing it.

[raven kernel]

I have like 38% crit block chance in my m+ set

It feels significant

[hot locust]

@raven kernel potential for meme sets next tier

[raven kernel]

3x bastion of might

Gimme

[hot locust]

triple of new trait plus high mastery gear xD

100% crit block in avatar.

[raven kernel]

How much mastery to hit 100% 🤔

[random finch]

417 at 20 %

[hot locust]

Haven't mathed it out yet. but is probably slightly below 4k

[raven kernel]

If we can hit 100% it could be broken

Hmm we won't hit 4k

But 3k+ easily

With 3 trait

[hot locust]

3600-3800 I think.

[raven kernel]

Oh maybe yeah with higher ilvl gear

[random finch]

How much mastery does the trait give anyone got a idea?

[hot locust]

next tier we can probably get around 1600 on gear and its like 480 per trait at 385

[raven kernel]

I forgot i only calced with 385 scaling

[hot locust]

so higher with new ilvl

[raven kernel]

Ya 500++ with higher azerite

Idk what next tier starts at

[random finch]

probs 390 ish

[raven kernel]

With next tier mythic ilvl azerite

Might be possible to hit 4k mastery

[random finch]

oh that would be in the 430 ball park

[raven kernel]

25k thunderclap maybe

[random finch]

The base tool tip in wowhead says 235 mastery but who knows what ilvl thats for

[raven kernel]

There's a slider under it

U can see the scaling

[random finch]

380 says 496

But PTR subject to change

[raven kernel]

Don't even need 100% tho

That's just meme

[random finch]

Wait if im at 20% mastery with 417 mastery how much am i gonna get

[raven kernel]

Even pushing it to 75% crit block is amazing

[random finch]

Is there a breakpoint on mastery??

[raven kernel]

Actually I don't think we need 4k for 100%?

3k mastery is over 80% I'm sure

[random finch]

Surely more then 80% is just overkill

[hot locust]

like I said probably like 3600

[raven kernel]

That's reachable with bastion

If u can get triple

[hot locust]

There isnt any breakpoint @random finch until 100% anyways

[random finch]

Well fuck

3x bastion traits incoming

[hot locust]

Nah I dont think so

Maybe in M+

not in raid though

[raven kernel]

I'm talking m+ yea

Definitely will do it

Who needs bonestorm when you have 100% crit block

[random finch]

Has there been any news on the new raid Trait like Reorigination array

Is DC with the nerf still gonna be as valuable as it is currently @hot locust

[raven kernel]

Of course less valuable

Still good

[fierce juniper]

Yeah, you're still most likely gonna want one. It's just not worth "infinite" item level anymore.

[hot locust]

^

[raven kernel]

Wonder what's the bonus ap %

[random finch]

Well thank god cause im tired of this 360 piece that i cant replace for the life of me

[raven kernel]

When mastery is at 100%

[hot locust]

dunno

I never checked in legion

[raven kernel]

Gonna be BIG claps tho

With bastion x3 idk who can challenge us on aoe

[random finch]

Bruh there already fucking BIG

[raven kernel]

Dh might be on par after eyebeam Barrage but will taper off after that

[random finch]

Pfft Yer right

Their eye beam is like Pre ejaculations blow it all in one poof

[raven kernel]

I await the day prot is the new MDI meta tank because we outdps real dps on trash

[hot locust]

wont happen

[fierce juniper]

That'll never happen as along as mass grip and sigils exist

[raven kernel]

Bruhs

[hot locust]

BDK bonestorm+stuff does pretty nutty damage too

[raven kernel]

Let us dream

[random finch]

We dont bring anything to the table besides some damage

[raven kernel]

Bonestorm isn't as good as claps

[hot locust]

I've dps'd keys with my co-tank tanking and pogged at his damage too.

[raven kernel]

@random finch Alot of dmg

[hot locust]

So they can definitely do pretty good dps, just not AS crazy.

[random finch]

@raven kernel Funny on zul pull with all cds 2's on dps

[raven kernel]

Since they can't give us grips just nerf other tanks dps and make our niche dps tank

Kappa

[random finch]

Then DH gets pushed out of everything

[hot locust]

no more changes pls

IP off gcd is all I need to be happy

[random finch]

^^ OH FUCK YER

[hot locust]

anything else is just icing on the cake

[raven kernel]

I'm already of the opinion that prot > dh in almost every way

[fierce juniper]

i would be extremely happy to have a new mastery

[random finch]

What would they even change it too

I just want some sort of utility so theres a reason to bring a warrior over a monk

[hot locust]

@raven kernel you crazy. DHs kite tools are too strong for us to compete.

[raven kernel]

I play a vdh alt and I don't agree

Shockwave does what silence sigil does

Shorter cd

[random finch]

And sigal of chain?

Fear

[raven kernel]

Chains sigil is far Inferior to mass grip

[random finch]

some sort of grip is better then none

[raven kernel]

We have fear too

[hot locust]

you 100% cannot kite as early or as well as a DH

[raven kernel]

But prot doesn't need to kite

[hot locust]

Depends on how high ya go

[raven kernel]

Unless forced by mechanics

[hot locust]

Eventually you do.

[random finch]

necro week says otherwise

[hot locust]

Packs start lasting too long.

[raven kernel]

Yea when cds are over sure

[hot locust]

You have to kite during block/Cd downtime.

[raven kernel]

I kite out but I go back whenever I get sb up

We also have far superior cds

Dh is a heal sponge

And do pitiful dmg when kiting

[random finch]

and so do we

[raven kernel]

Their dmg loses to prot in all situations

I can still clap shit when kiting

And on tyrannical bosses dh is pretty shit

Very poor mitigation

Very poor self healing on st

[random finch]

Yer but boss fights are like what 10% of a dungeon

[raven kernel]

Dh can't do 72 stacks of tyrannical tree boss in waycrest like my warrior

[random finch]

Ive never actually counted how high i can go on tree boss

[raven kernel]

Dh healer would be screaming by 15 stacks

[random finch]

Like someone said the stigma of warrior is just very bad currently i cant remember who said that

[raven kernel]

Yeah

[outer dew]

i mean, stigma always a thing

[raven kernel]

I was running some non Raiders in that waycrest 10

[outer dew]

i've seen some ele shamans do wel

[raven kernel]

I told them I'm not clearing stacks on tree boss

They doubted me so hard

Halfway through they were in disbelief

[random finch]

Dude ive had people be like on no a prot warrior and at the end there like man your beast ive never actually seen prot warrior dps

Like prot warrior can do 10's easy i havent gone any higher cause well i cant be fucked no point in it for me

[outer dew]

i mean

[raven kernel]

Ive only done up to 14

[outer dew]

there's some value doing over +10's

lol

[random finch]

Like ??

[outer dew]

increased item drop chance

[raven kernel]

Don't have a steady group to push higher

Usually just me and my disc priest and we fill dps from guild

[outer dew]

can't trust some of my guild

[raven kernel]

Sometimes we don't even have brez

[outer dew]

and i get asked to share keys to alts

lol

[random finch]

i just do keys with guilders tank there 10s and go about my day

Like this week is just easy mode

[raven kernel]

This week is easy for chill runs

It's terrible for pushing keys

[outer dew]

not fun to push

you can't properly pull

[raven kernel]

Ya

Impossible to do high keys

[outer dew]

it's a meme, you pull 5 mobs?

sometimes 2-3 explosives

oh shit, there's 5

wtf

[raven kernel]

Highest key in the world this week is like a 16?

Last I checked

[random finch]

18 pretty sure

[raven kernel]

I mean just this week

[random finch]

Well its eu and i think there on a different rotation to us

[outer dew]

us is Volcanic/Bolstering/Tyrannical atm

[random finch]

Explosive bro

not volcanic

[outer dew]

there we go

same shit to me

[raven kernel]

Oh yeah there are 2 18s now

China guys

[outer dew]

red and things

what comp they running

[raven kernel]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict/affixes/tyrannical-bolstering-explosive-infested

[random finch]

Gotta go to rank 53 to find the first prot warrior sad times

Im seeing alot of High end prot warriors using crit trinkets anyone know why @hot locust

[zinc creek]

which crit trinket

[outer dew]

probably parry + damage

i'd jizz for the warfront trinket

zzz

[raven kernel]

Just high ilvl with Base str is good

[outer dew]

controlled crit + parry increase wehn i need it

hnnng

i want it

[zinc creek]

defensive crit

[random finch]

Like i use Mythrax trinket and a semi ok rezan's eye

[zinc creek]

i'm using rezan's and blockades. I should probably stop using blockades

[sick sentinel]

I'm using 370 mythrax/375rezan but I'd kill for the WF parry trinket

The mythrax trinket is much better than the KR trinket and combined with the parry trinket u can scare ur healers with both

[outer dew]

can make your dps call you daddy

:^)

[sick sentinel]

Just want the damn WF trinket, because if I have both I can be even lazier with my SB and cds

[random finch]

Sorry WF trinket?

[sick sentinel]

Warfront

[random finch]

What trinket can you get from that?

[outer dew]

Lion's Grace?

[sick sentinel]

A on use crit steroid trinket @ 370 ilvl

[raven kernel]

That reminds me

I haven't killed him this cycle

[random finch]

Oh Doom fury

[outer dew]

a strong dps + defensive trinket for m+

[sick sentinel]

With that trinket, at it's highest point u have a high parry chance

But also if ur not using it for parrying boss attacks, it can help with trash clearing

Man this week's new affixs

Can't wait

I can actually do Temple for my last +10

[random finch]

I love this week victor rush for days

[outer dew]

until 5 spam

and you don't have shield slam + brace for impact stacked

qq

[random finch]

Yer thats when it becomes trouble

[raven kernel]

Free healing!

[random finch]

I find vic rush alone kills them

if not one aa will finish them off

[raven kernel]

I can one shot orbs sometimes with ss

[sick sentinel]

I wish I could 1 shot orbs but I'm not double stacked BFI atm

Damn gear

[raven kernel]

With avatar u prob can

[random finch]

the moment when you dont have SS off CD or vic rush and you devastate the orb and it doesnt die in one hit feels bad man

[sick sentinel]

Spam devaste is this week really

[random finch]

I fucking hate that spell

[sick sentinel]

Same

I want the old devastator back, gives rage and everything

And put booming voice where indom is at

[random finch]

I dont want any of that to change just change devastate so its actually semi decent to press

[sick sentinel]

No give me that or give me death strike

[random finch]

Then you better reroll to DK then

[sick sentinel]

Nah I'm good, I don't want to join the discord of the 1% crying about losing some health

[odd ledge]

Contrary to popular belief people incapable of reading datamining/patch notes are equally distributed between all discords.

[bold zinc]

I habd both dk and warrior

Dunno What to tank with

[sick sentinel]

have 385 domm's fury TF w/ leech.

pretty great

[brave mauve]

Can ask u look everywhere but what you think azerite traits on prot warrior?

[sick sentinel]

[vocal nimbus]

Check icy veins guide

[tulip pond]

Does Vanguard increase our HP too with strength, or only armor? Not quite understanding the tooltip wording

[sick sentinel]

Str gives you armor and stamina gives you more stamina

It blatantly just says itself gives 40% stamina,(comma) and armor increased by 50% of your strength.

pretty easy wording.

[tulip pond]

My mother tongue uses completely different word order than english which I can't either apply into english causing sometimes confusion but thanks for the answer anyway 🤷

[earnest zinc]

It increases hp and strength

[steel mauve]

Doesnt increase strength, you get armor from strength

[modern brook]

Oh no im responding to things 3 days old

[uneven mason]

Vanguard = 40% Stamina bonus, 50% strength becomes armor

Ah ye ole Mobile

[modern brook]

fuck devestate RE: devestate discussion

make revenge feel good to press

[uneven mason]

Revenge feels fine to press when I'm trying to make the DPS eyes bleed on Trash

[modern brook]

OR at the very least give me a reason to want to press the proc

[uneven mason]

Know whats going to be amazing

when IP is off the GCD

I can use that free revenge proc AND burn rage

[modern brook]

yeah i guess

any word on new mastery?

[tropic star]

are you even sure we are getting new mastery?

[chilly brook]

I’m not gonna lie, I’m somewhat excited for IP being off the GCD even if it’s not the specific IP change that I would have wanted

[uneven mason]

We're not

[chilly brook]

We probably won’t

It’d be nice

[uneven mason]

Mastery looks to be remaining as is

[chilly brook]

But we probably won’t be getting a reworked mastery

[uneven mason]

They're having a hard time being imaginative with some sort of beneficial mastery that won't be flat out useless or OP

Like I think a healing bonus from missing HP would be beneficial

Or a healing pool from blocked damage

[chilly brook]

I still believe that prot warrior still needs something else from the buffs that we’re getting

[uneven mason]

We're not really getting much in the way of buffs

IP off the GCD comes around to like a 1.4RPS buff

[chilly brook]

I’m also the person that thinks that we didn’t need much of a buff to begin with

[uneven mason]

and thats still RNG due to it just providing us with more devastate presses

[chilly brook]

That being said I do still think they’re kinda missing the point

IP needs some help

[tropic star]

in raids prob not. but in M+ we have like no tools

[uneven mason]

Well, after doing a solid amount of mythic pulls, we need something that levels us out when the healers are being flipperhanded morons

[silk portal]

I actually did a +10 on my Warrior as Prot

I hated it

[uneven mason]

Every other tank has basically "Everyone here can be a fucking idiot for 15seconds and we're probably ok"

I love doing M+

[chilly brook]

I’d agree @uneven mason it sucks when the healers aren’t doing their job well

[uneven mason]

fuck Utility, DPS should provide that

[silk portal]

Prot Warrior RN just feels like Garbage

[chilly brook]

I don’t think we’re playing the same class

🤔

[uneven mason]

That's personal opinion

[tropic star]

its rough to pub higher keys without voice and having to hash out CC

[uneven mason]

I love playing prot warrior right now

[chilly brook]

Same

[uneven mason]

But I also enjoyed leveling in classic EQ

[silk portal]

Like, Shield Slam doesn't have any impact, Thunder Clap feels meaningless, Devastate is useless, IP is a burning garbage can

[uneven mason]

SO mebbie there is something wrong with me

0_o

Troll

[chilly brook]

Lol Wut

[silk portal]

No, I'm serious

I loved Prot in Warlords

[chilly brook]

TC crits for over 20k but “feels meaningless”

[silk portal]

And would love to see them go back to that, but now? No thanks

[uneven mason]

"Says current prot is bad - wants to go back to literally the worst iteration of protection warrior ever to be introduced in the game"

SOunds legit

[chilly brook]

Seems fine

[uneven mason]

People complain about prot right now

Warlord's prot was the weakest we were ever

[chilly brook]

The only thing I miss about warlords prot is glad stance

[uneven mason]

the spec was LITERALLY not viable for raid tanking anything beyond normal

you had to out gear the content insanely to do anything above just be a manasponge

[silk portal]

Thunder Clap = Nothing but damage = boring
Devastate = Minuscule chance of a proc, otherwise boring
Ignore Pain = Feels like it doesn't do anything
Shield Slam = Generates some rage, other than that, nothing = boring

[chilly brook]

I don’t think I’d say that was always true, had a buddy who did some Mythic HFC as prot

But they were certainly not BiS tanks

[uneven mason]

Thunder clap produces rage, extends Demo shout, procs Shield Slam, 20% snare

[chilly brook]

TC also generates rage my guy

[uneven mason]

Devastate is a filler ability wtf you ever press this?

[odd ridge]

Lolol

[uneven mason]

IP is a damage smoother, literally the same % Of health it provided in Legion

[chilly brook]

Exactly what did SS do in WoD that it doesn’t do today?

[uneven mason]

Shield Slam, hits harder than Mortal Strike during shield block whutafuk?

[chilly brook]

Besides the purge that got universally removed

[uneven mason]

yeah, Thanks Glad Stance 👏

[chilly brook]

Cuz like

The ability is the same basically

Soooooo

[silk portal]

I'm just saying I enjoyed Prot Warrior a whole lot more in WoD than I do now or did in Legion HFS it's dull to play

[uneven mason]

Ok

[chilly brook]

But your points don’t even make sense

[silk portal]

And I didn't play Gladiator Stance either, I came in at the start of 6.2, so Glad stance was already gutted

[odd ridge]

Maybe your speakers and or monitor is broken

[thorny pumice]

If you want dull to play, you could always swap to guardian druid

[uneven mason]

^^^

[silk portal]

For Prot Warrior, nothing you press feels like it actually matters

[frosty wedge]

the purge removal sucked, but I'd be ok if shield slam silenced/interrupted like avenger's shield

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

Have you played other tanks?

[silk portal]

I'll get hate for this, sure, but, Blood DK has a whole lot more interractive gameplay than PRot warrior

[uneven mason]

I've been leveling a guardian

[chilly brook]

Because everything you press as prot matters

[odd ridge]

This is clearly a brm sent over to troll ua

Us

[frosty wedge]

lol

if ever a tank felt like nothing mattered it's a BrM

[silk portal]

Nothing as Prot matters except for Shield Wall, Last Stand or Avatar

[chilly brook]

Considering prots decisions matter far more than any other tank

Ok you’re a troll

[frosty wedge]

you'r protting wrong if you think nothing else matters

[odd ridge]

Rofl

[thorny pumice]

Oh dear

[modern brook]

I'm late to this:

[frosty wedge]

prot is the ONLY proactive tank left - you play prot properly, pressing the right buttons at the right time - or you die

[modern brook]

@uneven mason "fuck Utility, DPS should provide that"

How can you say that

[chilly brook]

‘’Nothing as Prot matters except for Shield Wall, Last Stand or Avatar’’ glosses over our active mitigation

[silk portal]

Like Prot has any

[frosty wedge]

...

[silk portal]

Shield Block is basically never up

[frosty wedge]

shield block is the SINGLE BEST white damage mitigation in the game

[modern brook]

Then you're retarded lol

[thorny pumice]

You're playing wrong if your SB is never up

[modern brook]

^

[frosty wedge]

^

[modern brook]

SB uptime is increadibly easy to maintain

[chilly brook]

Guys

He’s a troll

Stop feeding

[silk portal]

I'm not tho?

[modern brook]

RE: griff's statement on something else I really want a talent rework

Like Mike said, i like that we're a proactive tank

I dont have problems with that

[thorny pumice]

Either you are or you're not open to learning how to properly play prot and just raging instead

[frosty wedge]

2 charges, 6 second duration, and inside uldir you should have about a 12-13s recharge with haste

[modern brook]

but i think its really dumb that if you're not running Bolster + anger you literally CANNOT tank content currently

[frosty wedge]

so you should literally be min-maxing to have SB up 1005 of the time you're tanking, covering gaps with bolster

[chilly brook]

@modern brook I’d settle for simply an IP buff, I really think it would help out a lot. I wouldn’t mind a talent rework but it’s too late for that for 8.1

[thorny pumice]

I think 8.1 is going to make things feel a lot better in the short term

[chilly brook]

gladiator stance has been added back into the game

[silk portal]

They need to rework the spec into something new completely

[chilly brook]

:kappa

[modern brook]

Danee, just play monk or DK

[chilly brook]

says not a troll but says the spec needs a complete rework

[modern brook]

Matt; i agree

I just think our talent tree is currently the biggest limiter on the class

too much taxing in it

[silk portal]

The Spec is in need of some severe attention though, and if you disagree with that you're just delusional

[chilly brook]

@thorny pumice it will, I mean if you think about it we’ll have gone up a collective ~10% EHP from the beginning of BFA

“Severe” no

[silk portal]

Yes

[modern brook]

Hey man, monk and dk are there for you

If warrior is too big brained, you can just death strike

ITs ok

[chilly brook]

Bro do you even Mythic raid on your prot?

[modern brook]

I'm being antagonistic, sorry 😦

[chilly brook]

You’re not wrong though

[modern brook]

Prot isnt in a good spot, sure

but the core of the game is there

and its very good

[chilly brook]

There are five other window licking unathletic tank classes out there

[uneven mason]

Tanking Mythic Zek when my co tank DK was being a space brain about taunting after Shatter because i shit talked him too much

never died before the healing debuff faded

+++

Prots shit

[chilly brook]

@modern brook I personally disagree, we’re in a fairly decent spot, we’re literally the best raid tank after DK and monk both of which have been acknowledged to be broken by blizz

[modern brook]

I think thats a lot more telling about the raid rather than the state of the class

[silk portal]

No, I don't Mythic raid, and I fail to see why Mythic raiding should be a necessity to be allowed to come with criticism for a spec. And @chilly brook You've been nothing but hostile towards me for no reason, cut that shit out, I'm just stating that I think that Protection warrior is in a garbage state right now, if you chose to take that as a personal offence, please go outside more and stop "window licking" so much.

[thorny pumice]

Yeah, were definitely fine in Uldir. The only boss I had an issue with was heroic Zul in the last phase

[modern brook]

You're allowed to criticize the spec

[chilly brook]

@silk portal it’s relevant because you’re coming in here talking about falsities of the spec

[modern brook]

"prot sucks and if you disagree with my statement you're delusional" is not a criticsm though

[chilly brook]

You can have criticism, it doesn’t mean that your criticism reflects the actual state of the spec

Or it’s abilities

[frosty wedge]

the people that are in here are raiding mythic on prot and doing well with it - so clearly the spec isn't in as bad a place as you think it is

[silk portal]

I stated that Protection Warrior is in need of some severe rework, and if you deny that fact that Prot doesn't need to be looked at, you're delusional.

[chilly brook]

It just reflects the experience of the person playing the spec, and clearly playing it wrong

[modern brook]

but yeah griff, i think us being good in uldir is more about how uldir is set up and less about the state of the class

Like on every fight except zul we get a lot of value out of SB

[chilly brook]

Prot really doesn’t need a severe rework.....

[modern brook]

(and even first phase there)

[chilly brook]

The logs support that

[thorny pumice]

You're also coming in here and saying things that are absolutely wrong and people dont react well to that tbh

[chilly brook]

^^^

[ember arrow]

oh

spicy memes

[modern brook]

But liek we still lack means to handle certain types of incoming damage

namely Bleeds

[ember arrow]

exams over, it is time my dudes

[chilly brook]

Not to mention you’re not willing to listen to what people are saying @silk portal or why they’re saying it.

[ember arrow]

griff waht did i miss

[chilly brook]

So yes, I’m not going to respond well.

@ember arrow someone being deliberately obtuse

[silk portal]

And you go to personal attacks and insults as a result of that? Yikes.

[chilly brook]

What personal attack or insult

[modern brook]

👀Yikes👀

[ember arrow]

welli agree that you dont need to mythic raid

to judge a spec

[chilly brook]

The only thing I’ve said right now that is a “personal attack or insult” is saying you’re being obtuse

[modern brook]

The problem is there still isnt a criticism

the entire conversation so far has been "prot sucks" "no it doesnt" --> this

[chilly brook]

@ember arrow true, but when you’re talking about things not being impactful or saying that SB isn’t meaningful etc.......

[ember arrow]

the fact that things dont matter

in hc

doesnt mean you cant see ifthey work well

[chilly brook]

And when you have Mythic raiders saying that x isn’t an issue and then someone who isn’t doing that content says it is.......

[uneven mason]

Well really what he was saying was that nothing you do as prot matters

[chilly brook]

@silk portal still waiting for where I insulted you

[uneven mason]

which in a universal karmatic sense I suppose not?

[modern brook]

UHHH 👢 🍵 👏 ???

[ember arrow]

he misspelled brewmaster

Mactíer

Well really what he was saying was that nothing you do as prot matters

in #protection · Oct 29, 2018, 1:53 PM

[chilly brook]

Lol

[ember arrow]

prot it matters alot

since proactive tank

[chilly brook]

Which was our reaction

[modern brook]

^ You're caught up lev

[uneven mason]

yeah I was gonna say like

Playing Prot is basically like, playing Simon

do shit in the right order

or you fucking lose

[chilly brook]

But hey apparently saying that his opinion is wrong based on the experience and data that the people in here have collected is insulting someone

[modern brook]

(I legit thought you were talking about simon belmont)

[uneven mason]

Playing brew master is like drinking booze

[ember arrow]

these days disagreement = insults

[uneven mason]

just doing it gets you the result

Oh wait

I have a better one

PLaying brewmaster is as hard as getting clambaked at a Grateful dead concert

just show up