protection

[wary burrow]

thanks 😃

[zinc mauve]

even in other games im not safe from wow @prisma night

[prisma night]

You can never escape lol

[limpid leaf]

Hi all, Im finding thios week that my dps is sucking more, I think its ebcause I still dont have an azerite piece with Reorigination array. Im pulling about 6k on most boss fights in uldir, our pally tank pulled a lot more than me this week. My ilvl is 368. I cant see any issue wioth my talenmts or rotation, but any help is appreciated.

Also his burst damage on pull this week is pulling the boss off of me, I have to taunt twice on opening

[zinc mauve]

the only boss people should pull from you is mother because her aggroo seems broken in the first room

do you have logs you can share?

[neat harbor]

DC is kinda mandatory yeah

[limpid leaf]

yeah mopther pulled off of me, and Zek did on the open when we all blow pots, after the pull its fine

[neat harbor]

other than that a good shield and weapon both do more damage

got a link to your armory?

[zinc mauve]

losing aggro right at the start is mostly normal since you're going to spend 2~ GCDs just getting ready to dump your damage

[prisma night]

Having an uldir trait really helps especially as RoA gets more stacks

Phat haste

[limpid leaf]

https://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/aman-thul/Hiddenrage

Thanks yeah its only on the opening pull, 3 weeks ago our old pally tank couldnt hold aggro against me at the initial pull I had to stop potting

I told them all to wait til I get 5 sunder armors off but... crickets.

[pallid axle]

a bursting pally is hidious when hes good xD

[limpid leaf]

Hes a little better ilvl than me and hes pulling 0.1% off of the best pallys dps right now

Im hoping thats all it is

I think the best pally tank dps right now is a guy called Blueprint, and our pally tank is almost matching his dps basically

[pallid axle]

hmm i quick compared your fedit and vectis logs to mine, tbh idk what wrong but in most cases ur normal Meleehits are top of ur damage , on my logs TC and SS are way over my normal meelehit dmg

[limpid leaf]

I only just got an azerite piece with deafening crash before the raid yesterday and i thought that would have helped TC damage

[pallid axle]

hmm well what im seeing is that in a 2:50 fight u using only 30 TC, compare to me who does like 37 in a 2:10 fight. something is up with ur haste . how much do u got atm?

[limpid leaf]

With into the fray its like 22% plus raid food and flasks etc it should be good

[pallid axle]

whooot

im like hanign on 38% full stacked xD

[limpid leaf]

Maybe I nmeed to focus on tightening up thunderclap a little more, but I thought I pretty much hit it on cd so will watch it

its 29% in game with 4 stacks of into the fray

[neat harbor]

@limpid leaf when it comes to thunder clap/deafening crash DPS...

YOU MUST SPAM TO GET THE HAM

🐖 🥓

[pallid axle]

si

TC off from CD kick it

[limpid leaf]

lol

gotta change my nickname on this discord

thanks guys, see how it goes on zul tonight

Do people take the raid feast or are they using the fish n chips haste food?

[raven kernel]

Raid feast if you're lazy

Not a huge deal

The most optimal is changing to dps for raid feast then back to prot

But my guild pulls really fast between wipes so fuck it

[limpid leaf]

ok, I have been specing fury to eat for the str and then back to prot

[eager phoenix]

its annoying. i wish prot also just go main stat from feast. it seems like a relic from ancient times by now.

[leaden kernel]

rarely ever if at all will the 100 stamina ever be enough to have saved you from a one shot

[eager phoenix]

most def. i almost feel stamina flask also is pointless by now but i guess there could be hypotethical scenario in future raids were more hp to juice up for hard hitting magic nukes could be clutch. but that also feels like ancient times when externals and tank cds werent available.

[leaden kernel]

it doesnt help that strength also increase our health, armor as well as our ignore pain

[neat harbor]

remember the days when boss abilities hit so hard you had to rotate healer CDs just to survive?

what were those potions called you could drink as a warrior

stoneblood maybe?

it would give you loads of armor

for like 25 seconds

ppl used to eat em like candy for patchwerk

fuckin OG Naxx man

most crazy and imbalanced raid ever

my guild got stuck on 4 horsemen

[leaden kernel]

im sure there were 5 other warrior ready to equip a shield and help out when you died

[neat harbor]

yep you legit couldnt do 4 horsemen without like 8 tanks

[tulip pond]

The sheer fact that you needed 8 geared warrior tanks for 4 horsemen is astonishing

[neat harbor]

it was utterly retarded

^^^

we didnt have said tanks and couldnt win

I swear that raid wiped actual guilds

[tulip pond]

Afaik they needed the 2 set from Naxx too so taunt couldn't be resisted?

[neat harbor]

yeah that sounds right

also there was this thing

called crushing blows

basically boss crits

so if you had a really hard hitting ability and bad RNG

you would get 2 crushing blows and gibbed

cause defense wasa skill

and if you didnt have certain x defense for x boss

you could be hit with boss crits more or less

its been so long I forget exactly how that system worked but it was fucked up

cause if your tanks (such as the ones you had to gear for 4H) werent defense capped they could be gibbed at any moment

[crimson sentinel]

getting def cap at that point wasnt hard to do thoug hxd

xd*

[autumn pendant]

Dodge and parry was real shit back then

Warrior tank dodging 9/10 attacks

[crimson sentinel]

and it depends what they go by

Defensive gear got heavily nerfed with the ZG patch

[midnight mason]

is there a reason why there's nothing for prot warrior on bloodmallet lol

[crimson sentinel]

Cause u can't sim prot warrior

There is no sim profile available for prot warriros

or atleast not one that is reliable and that gives accurate numbers

[midnight mason]

wtf why

[stone crag]

no support

🤔

[crimson sentinel]

ye

[raven kernel]

In naxx40

If dreadnaught dropped the whole raid cheered

[autumn pendant]

• yay we can actually try and kill bosses *

[leaden kernel]

well at least if you couldnt kill the boss you could go back to MC and gear up the other 20 people in your raid

[raven kernel]

Aq40 u mean

[neat harbor]

then the guilds who somehow had 8 tanks to kill 4H got to farm a million hours worth of frost resistance gear so they could kill sapphiron

omegalul

[eager phoenix]

ideally you wanted thunderfury on tanks, the lifegiving gem from broodlord on tanks. it was a lot of work essentially running all raids every reset to min-max

[oblique garnet]

Ruinous bolt or callous reprisal?

[neat harbor]

@eager phoenix oh man, absolutely. any serious guild would clear every single raid after the reset.

were talking overall, a huuuge raiding schedule compared to today

granted you could smash those raids in a couple hours each but still

thats a lot of getting people online at the same time just to farm everyting

[limpid leaf]

ahd to be 'uncrushable'

Huzzah we got zul.. after 3 weeks 😃

Healer kept dcing and wiping lol

[prime kernel]

yo, is 1x archives trait enough as prot ? just got 2nd one in azerite chest from vectis , but im already running with mother head which has 1
my actuall chest has BFI and Strength in Numbers

[ornate sky]

you needed 6 tanks not 8

8 was for the strat that could recover from taunt misses

6 for if all 6 had 2set

(for 4hm)

a bigwigs extension i made for 4hm is still used on private servers.. feels weird

[wise mirage]

oh god I am so happy

ip off gcd

blizz is listening

[raven kernel]

More like they just caved in

[limpid leaf]

yeah not yet yhough, its not live right now

@prime kernel You only benefit from 1 archive trait, 2 makes no difference

[prime kernel]

yeye i know , was wondering if that flat STR buff that's juggling from it , was worth taking 2nd archives (wasnt thinking about doubling the array value or smth :P)
but i guess i'll just take the 2nd piece with Brace for Impact then

btw. that change for IP and the gcd removal is decent as fuck , just wish they'd at least upgrade it from 50% to ...i'd say 70/75% ;/

true that 90 from Legion was kinda too OP

[raven kernel]

Higher value just makes it deplete faster

Its pretty meaningless to increase it unless we have the rage to continually keep ip up

[prime kernel]

yeah, the thing is that , now it can only absorb up to 50% of inc. attackt, which means something can kill u through it
But when it was 90% back then , we could pretty much build a crazy absorb with high ilvl and STR, that'd soak almost all the dmg inc ,
dunno, it felt really smooth for me b4

[old zephyr]

It Doesn't matter when the value is half of the attack anyway

[ornate sky]

50% isn't so bad though, means hots and stuff still heal you

while your barrier lasts longer

its not good for big one off hits of course

[old zephyr]

But we don't take big hits anyway

[fossil basalt]

How does feel about buff on ptr?

Can it be smooth with those buffs?

[ashen flower]

Blood Rite or Iron Fortress?

[prime kernel]

IF

[gray parrot]

Good Morning fellow Prot'ers

what do you all look for on your raid logs when gauging improvement in tanking?

I have mainly focused on uptime % of DS

[ashen flower]

would u go for IF, BFI and TC or would u go for archive instead of 1 of those

[gray parrot]

what is TC? Thunder clap?

[ashen flower]

y

defening clash

[gray parrot]

DC if you do not have one

is by far the #1 trait for us

[ashen flower]

y

[gray parrot]

at the moment at least

[ashen flower]

i just got chest with it

so i gota rearange all

[gray parrot]

yea make sure one piece has DC

[ashen flower]

question is , is archive beter then Iron fortress, brace for impact etc

or is it not a "Must have"

[oak girder]

Depends what you're looking to improve. If you have problems with surviving or feel like you require too much healing, then DS, SB, LS and SW uptimes relative to each other (ideally you always want some defensive running) would be a good place to start
@gray parrot

[gray parrot]

if you have several (3+) stacks of the Reorginiation buff from Archives...then go Archives

[ashen flower]

i got 8 stacks ^^

[gray parrot]

Thanks Maaks, I have just been comparing my DS% uptime week over week

and I am improving that a lot...I am around 50% on fights where I am not 100% on the boss at all times (fetid, vectis, etc)

ive gotten 60-65% uptime on some fights so I feel like that is solid

but I want to make sure any other "metrics" I could use arent suffering as a result.

[oak girder]

Not 100% on the boss on fetid? :o i never really liked thrash tanking there

[gray parrot]

well our heroic strat is they let the boss go eat the add

[oak girder]

Felt like we have more to offer with stable damage intake

[gray parrot]

and me and the other tank are not to move

so we sit in that bush/rock area that lets you tank the knockback without getting moved

so there are 2 times where im just sitting there doing nothing (sometimes throwing my wep if he is close enough)

so ill save my ava/DS combo for when he comes back and i can get the benefit from DC trait

but here is my log from last night

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWA9cfz81V3g2wTb#fight=15&type=casts&source=2

we cleared 7/8 heroic and jumped into mythic (we allow 90 mins for heroic and quit where ever we are to progress in mythic for hte last 90 minutes since we have aotc already

on Zek i got 62% up time on DS which feels solid (correct me if this is bad)

last week i only managed 41%

we are currently stuck at 2/8 Mythic, working on Zek now. I am one of the lowest geared people (stupid 340 shield!) and want to make sure that I focus on squeezing every bit of performance I can out of my dude so as to make it easier for the raid

[woeful otter]

How does IP work?

Like is it buffed that prevents upcoming damage?

or doesi t heal you for previous dmg

[gray parrot]

it "ignores 50% of incoming damage up to X amount"

so it does not heal

[woeful otter]

yes but how long?

for the next attack only?

[gray parrot]

it lasts 12s or until the max amount was absorbed

[woeful otter]

oh thanks

New warrior here

[primal crypt]

[gray parrot]

For those of you who have raided in Mythic...what was your ilvl when you first started in Mythic Uldir?

[amber siren]

350-ish?

[gray parrot]

There are 89 Parses at my ilvl on Mythic Taloc...but only 7 on Mythic Zek

[astral crystal]

i was 350-355 or so

[gray parrot]

I am bottom 3 ilvls for my raid group and im 366

that scares me

[cinder nova]

What is that?

Zek?

[gray parrot]

yea

[cinder nova]

Mother?

[gray parrot]

Zek

[cinder nova]

Ah

[gray parrot]

we havent downed him yet

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWA9cfz81V3g2wTb#fight=last&type=damage-done

[cinder nova]

Could bother to LS more, but yeah it's kinda mindboggling

[gray parrot]

yea we had some....issues lol

currently our healers are not assigned to anything or anyone

and im the "offtank"

[ember arrow]

why does everyone say my character name

[cinder nova]

Yikes.

[gray parrot]

so there was a lot of miscommunication on when I would get a CD or use one of mine...and overlap was happening

[cinder nova]

LS alone should keep you up if you're taking 2 of the 3 parts of a combo

[gray parrot]

the other tank (officer) explained how the boss combo worked so that people would heal me up during it cause OMG shatter XD

[cinder nova]

This will probably get me scolded, but I tend to hold Wall for really unlucky shit if I can't move the boss in a clutch circle for fear of lashing the DPS.

So I just wall SR and throw and IP and I tend to survive the damage

[ember arrow]

if dps stand infront

its not your fault

[cinder nova]

It's not an "upfront" thing.

[ember arrow]

unless you move him like a monkey

[cinder nova]

It's a "there is an entire occlusion and everyone moved the way I was going to path the boss" thing.

[gray parrot]

well our issue currently is getting used to the 4 rings from Darkness

[cinder nova]

So it's either hit the entire raid or wall and suck it up

[gray parrot]

and yea I am with you Swole

i have the mechanic of the rings down but some people are still in panic mode

so I try to be extra careful with boss positioning

[cinder nova]

Ring and eyes probably the biggest goon check

[gray parrot]

rings man....no one said shit about how much faster they go in Mythic lol

[ember arrow]

u got like

3 seconds

u can go shower while they explode

[gray parrot]

eye beams we are fine on...but jesus H the rings lol

[cinder nova]

Yeah, not if you're in the center band of the middle ring and the mid and center close for the next one and you can't walk through walls or range your healers.

[gray parrot]

and our DPSers are usually insane but we struggle to down the little baby adds in time before we do the big 3

yea im usually 100% fine on the first 2-3 rings without needing to use my leap

i realized how not to be a derp when Darkness is first starting...and actually stand about 8y away from the boss then...cause you will be on the line of the first/second ring

so you can easily move 1-2 steps to be in either while still being run-safe distance of ring 3 if it pops there

but 2 lash and a shatter hurts the booty, man

i am thinking it might be better for the healers to be assigned things, is that what your raids do?

like X + Y on raid...A + B on tanks? or something like that

[ember arrow]

you block shatter?

[gray parrot]

honestly I dunno if i do

[ember arrow]

well

then

what about start doing that

then it wont hurt

if u use LS right before first lash, it will be up whole combo i think, or at least will have SB up for shatter

[gray parrot]

so if I am reading this right...it looks like I blocked

[ember arrow]

yes

[strong forum]

Yes you can block shatter

If that was a question

I just came in here

[ember arrow]

no i asked him if he does it

and apparently he does

but what exactly is the problem with the combo?

there is no tank dmg after

i was on 1 hp on dk after it

first few pulls

[gray parrot]

I feel like I gotta blow everything during the combo

[ember arrow]

as long as u dont die

it doesnt matter

[gray parrot]

and then i have nothing when its my next turn

[signal plover]

U don't

Pop LS at the start of combo

Pool rage a bit if u can before hand

U can have LS for every combo

[spice musk]

Does the DC Trait nerf mean its not anymore the strongest?

[signal plover]

IP as much as u can between the hits

Spell reflect the last lash

[gray parrot]

ok so keep rage maxed before I have to taut....
taunt...pop LS before combo....burn rage so LS is back off CD before my next swap?

[signal plover]

Don't pool rage before taunt

Spend as much rage as possible always

Pool rage before combo

[bold mirage]

don't forget DS as well

[signal plover]

I just roll DS throughout the fight

[gray parrot]

my DS uptime was 56% during that pull so i feel okay about that

my main goal is to just try and make it as easy on the healers as possible

[signal plover]

Prot is very strong for combo

[bold mirage]

I am starting progression on Zek tonight as well

[gray parrot]

yea I "feel" like I should be better

[signal plover]

IP is the difference maker if used right

[gray parrot]

not that it is an excuse...but some of our healers are def not pulling their weight. So I am trying to carry some of the burden if possible

while they learn and get better

[signal plover]

That's a fight where I rly wish it was off GCD

IP

The combos during the Novas are tough

[gray parrot]

yea, we will take another crack at him tonight

[cinder nova]

Yep

[signal plover]

Don't be too proud to use externals there

[cinder nova]

Just wait until Vec

[gray parrot]

last week was our first pull attmpt...we got 81%....this week we are on 68% after the first day

[cinder nova]

You shouldn't need externals really ever on zek

[gray parrot]

externals meaning healer CDs?

[signal plover]

You shouldn't

[ember arrow]

@gray parrot why is your raid not replacing monkey healers?

[gray parrot]

yea sometimes my healers just throw them at me cause I drop so low during combo

[signal plover]

But during the novas/movement it helps

[cinder nova]

Hand of Sacrifice, Iron bark, GS, Pain Supp

Etc

[gray parrot]

question, do your healers have assignments?

[cinder nova]

Yeah

[gray parrot]

cause ours are not...its a free for all kinda thing

may I ask what your setup is if you know it?

[signal plover]

In the way you mentioned earlier, no

Ours have a CD rotation

[crisp hearth]

For @octane : LS + demo shout for 1st lash, ip for shatter, reflect for second lash

[cinder nova]

Generally they aren't hard assigned, but the paladin and shaman are supposed to keep us at high prio

[gray parrot]

gotcha

[crisp hearth]

Then when it's your turn again LS + shield wall

[cinder nova]

You shouldn't be holding onto DS for the combo

[crisp hearth]

Then you can do the first rotation into the 3rd combo

[cinder nova]

Just keep uptime on it

[signal plover]

Yeah I would roll DS

[gray parrot]

i have not been holding DS

[crisp hearth]

If you pull well

[signal plover]

And use during combo if it lines up

Which it usually does

[cinder nova]

You can hold DS if you don't go BV, but why

[crisp hearth]

Your second demo shout comes back 20 sec before sncd combo

[gray parrot]

i pop it as soon as the first tank pull gets the boss into position

[cinder nova]

You should use it

Not hold it

I know what demo you're on about and it's really not worth holding it

[crisp hearth]

Exactly what I'm saying, do you have DC as azerite?

[cinder nova]

Oh we're agreeing

[gray parrot]

I do, yes

[crisp hearth]

OK

Then just ds avatar on the pull

[gray parrot]

i do

[crisp hearth]

Spend rage

So you got ds when you take the second combo

I find zek to be an extremely cool fight for prot warrior

Everything lines up perfectly

If you can dump enough rage

[gray parrot]

it is the only fight that has made me feel like my gear sucks lol

sitting at 366 with a 340 shield XD

[crisp hearth]

I downed him with 368 I think

First tile

Time

[gray parrot]

we are going to clear Ghuun on heroic again tonight...I got the other warrior and a pally all trying to get the shield for me

13 rerolls in heroic Uldir so far....on Vectis and Ghuun....never once have i seen the shield 😦

[crisp hearth]

You should spam ataldazar

Get in as arm warrior

[gray parrot]

ive tried....AD is my most played M+

but I fukkin hate Mythic + dungeons lol

anyway....fingers crossed tonight xd

ty all for the advice on Zek...hoping we can take him down

[frosty wedge]

zek 😦 I hate him so

[ember arrow]

loot pinata

for tanks

[frosty wedge]

zek is the only boss that drops a weapon for my monk

I've been killing him twice a week every week for the last 4 weeks, and coining both times

and I'm still using a 345 weapon

[dusk locust]

if i were you i'd be spamming m+ until it was at least 370

[frosty wedge]

I am 370

I've also been doing non stop tol dagor

[dusk locust]

i mean the weapon

[frosty wedge]

oh, yeah I know

[gray parrot]

i got the 370 sword from heroic

but the trinket from zek would be nice for my Arms gear

[frosty wedge]

my overall ilvl is 370, while still using a 345 weapon

[gray parrot]

im 366 still using a 340 shield

[frosty wedge]

I have gotten 0 loot luck on weapons on my monk

[dusk locust]

you should both be in m+! 😛

[crisp hearth]

Or

[gray parrot]

M+ sucks

[frosty wedge]

dude I run m+ constantly

I love m+

[crisp hearth]

You can buy osgain

At AH

[frosty wedge]

I just have no luck, lol

[gray parrot]

its so boring

ive done AD a ton of times....no shield ever

[crisp hearth]

It's cheap now

[gray parrot]

got the trinket once

[crisp hearth]

And it can be 365

[gray parrot]

osgain isnt worth it

the 350 is like 120K on my AH

[crisp hearth]

360* sorry

20 ilvl bump for 200k

I'll buy that

[frosty wedge]

yeah, I got lucky on my warrior

I got a 370 honorbound shield from warfrotn cache

[crisp hearth]

Or you can get lucky as this guy ^

[gray parrot]

ill get it eventually

12 rerolls in heroic so far

[frosty wedge]

oh dude, my warrior has been SO lucky

[gray parrot]

not once did i get the item i wanted lol

so i am due

[frosty wedge]

370 shield from warfront... 370 weapon from doing 4 mythics that emmisary week

[crisp hearth]

I actually ran like 15 motherload 10

[frosty wedge]

but my monk... cannot get a weaopn to save my life

[crisp hearth]

Before getting a 37p shield

[frosty wedge]

look at that

[gray parrot]

which addon displays the ilvl over the gear slot?

[ember arrow]

dejacharactersheet

[frosty wedge]

dejacharacterstats

[ember arrow]

stats

[gray parrot]

ty

[ember arrow]

too much d&d lately

[frosty wedge]

lol

even got sad yesterday b/c the emmisary on my warr is a 2 hander, so i thought maybe I'd get it to warforge on my monk - log over.... emmisary is a fist weapon ><

[gray parrot]

i got the 2h wep from warfront last time

was nice for my arms (370)

[ember arrow]

i did a +9 2 weeks ago

open chest

[gray parrot]

got the 370 wep from last week's heroic uldir run

[ember arrow]

385 azerite

[frosty wedge]

wait what?

[ember arrow]

skillforge

[frosty wedge]

that shouldn't happen, lol

[ember arrow]

well it did

i did a +9 pug KR

[frosty wedge]

oh you pugged a 9 KR

you deserve the 385

:p

[crisp hearth]

I guess it's normal

[ember arrow]

well it wasnt bad

dk carries groups there

[crisp hearth]

9 would mean 375 linear

Since it doesn't exist

It goes rounding up

[frosty wedge]

yeah I know, my blood DK laughs at KR and Atal, lol

[crisp hearth]

So 385

[frosty wedge]

naw, a 9 is suppose dto be 370 azerite

from the chest

[ember arrow]

@frosty wedge

nothing wrong with this

[crisp hearth]

Really?

[frosty wedge]

yeah

[crisp hearth]

8 is 370

[ember arrow]

i literally did a +9 only

[gray parrot]

i HATE getting azerite from weekly chests lol

[crisp hearth]

Hum

[ember arrow]

it says mythic 10

but i didnt do a m10

[junior igloo]

Why is that, Octane?

[frosty wedge]

yeah I know, that's why I said that shouldn't happen, lol

[lusty grotto]

plenty would disagree with you Octane

[junior igloo]

I got 385 helm with DC this week, I thought it was ok

[gray parrot]

because I finally got 370 versions of all my AP pieces...and the chances that the weekly chest will have the right trait to make it worth it...is so slim

[spice musk]

Does Anybody knows how hard the DC Trait nerf will be? Still the best Trait that is worth not having some Ilvl? or should i farm other traits for the patch now?

[crisp hearth]

I got shoulders with DC week 2

[ember arrow]

let me correct that "i hate azerite."

Octane

i HATE getting azerite from weekly chests lol

in #protection · Oct 25, 2018, 1:31 PM

there we go

[crisp hearth]

Guess I can die

[gray parrot]

Levko gets it lol

i got a 370 AP helm this week....

[ember arrow]

oh can i change my nick here?

[gray parrot]

useless

[lusty grotto]

still one of the best traits @spice musk , it won't be worth 45 ilvls though

[frosty wedge]

meh, I don't raid, so I love getting azerite from the weekly, since it's the only way I'm going to upgrade it, lol

[crisp hearth]

Still one of the only trait improving our gp

[frosty wedge]

my monk's 2/3 385 azerite now

[ember arrow]

its good you can gear from either source

[crisp hearth]

So I guess even with the nerf youll want one

[gray parrot]

i have so many other slots that could easily be upgraded....why waste my chest on an AP item where I dont need the ilvl from the piece unless it has the trait

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

not required no, not over better ilvl'd pieces

[frosty wedge]

I mean... IF and BFI are on enoughgear that the chance is pretty solid

[junior igloo]

Well RNG is RNG with loot.
I just don't see why it's any worse with Azerite. At least Azerite is 385 item level, while all other items are only 380, which is lower than baseline mythic Uldir

[frosty wedge]

^

[lusty grotto]

^

[frosty wedge]

I don't get why regular gear form 1-+ weekly's aren't 385

[robust bronze]

i got 2 385 helmets, feels badman

[frosty wedge]

10+

yeah Leif - I got 2x the EXACT SAME 385 chest on my monk 2 weeks in a row

[gray parrot]

huh?

Mythic uldir is 385

[ember arrow]

@junior igloo working towards something is one of reasons i like games, and wow doesnt provide that

[gray parrot]

loot

[ember arrow]

8.1 change may change that

[gray parrot]

oh i misread...i got it now

[ember arrow]

yay i did a +2 and got a 395

[frosty wedge]

lol

[ember arrow]

skill

[junior igloo]

That's a fair criticism, but it's a bit unrelated to the original commnt

[ember arrow]

no its not fun

[gray parrot]

dude.....back in the day me and my buddy carried the F out of this shammy in a +6 ML

and he got a 385 piece from it while we got nothing

no worse feeling in the world

[frosty wedge]

rng

[ember arrow]

ml?

motherloade?

back in the day?

[gray parrot]

yea

[ember arrow]

like

2 months ago?

[frosty wedge]

like 3 weeks ago?

lol

[gray parrot]

yea

that is back in the day

before raiding and all that

[ember arrow]

ancient greece

[gray parrot]

its all relative XD

there is no standard for "back in the day"

lol

[dusk locust]

even legion is hardly back in the day imo 😛

[gray parrot]

to each his own

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[gray parrot]

either way...out DPSing a shaman as a tank...and then getting dicked over by ....never feels good

[ember arrow]

wellll

[lusty grotto]

385s mean nothing in the age of IO

[ember arrow]

its a shaman

[frosty wedge]

warfronts should open today right?

it's like... 85%?

[lusty grotto]

unsure

[uneven mason]

probably tomorrow

tends to be 15% per day

[gray parrot]

yea 10-15% per day

[frosty wedge]

hrmm it was 64% yesterday

and 85% this morning

[gray parrot]

hordies take a while

[uneven mason]

they may have sped it up

[lusty grotto]

good

[ember arrow]

less and less ppl

must speed it up

kappa

[uneven mason]

also, folks have realized that the monetary cost of the items being turned in is worth more than the azerite rewards

[lusty grotto]

need to farm gear for my alts 😃

[uneven mason]

rather worth more

[frosty wedge]

yeah... my pally just hit 120 a couple days ago

lol

[uneven mason]

I can do my Azerite worldquests and farm that shit

[lusty grotto]

want that free gear + horsey mounts

👍

[frosty wedge]

also I'm hoping I can get a weapon from the cache on my monk, lol

[junior igloo]

I hate to be this jaded, but I strongly suspect that contributions have very limited if any effect on the speed of the warfront cycle

[frosty wedge]

^

[uneven mason]

MOre than likely Meiffert is correct

[lusty grotto]

well it depends

[uneven mason]

Just like the Towers

[lusty grotto]

broken shore stuff

[uneven mason]

they progress at a consistent rate

[lusty grotto]

did it go faster?

etc

[uneven mason]

with a LITTLE nudge

from contribution

contributions are probably only a 10% variance by the end

[lusty grotto]

right

[uneven mason]

in time required

and probably has a "daily cap"

[frosty wedge]

we shoul test this, organize a contribution time on reddit and have like, everyone donate at the same time, see if it spikes, lol

[uneven mason]

SO literally it would take 7days, or 6.5days

That would be a glorious thing

[lusty grotto]

ugh reddit

[uneven mason]

They could be like WE DID IT REDDIT 2% SPIKE

[lusty grotto]

my morning is ruined, thanks

[uneven mason]

And then Ion could make a VOD

[lusty grotto]

might as well just tweet to asmongold and have his mongoloids join in

[frosty wedge]

lol

[uneven mason]

and be like "no, I was just fucking with you"

and have it drop by 2%

and it turns out that the contribution bar is really a volume slider on Ion's Iphone

[frosty wedge]

😄

[finite quail]

So if I tank mythic fetid with a dk should I off tank or main tank

[uneven mason]

Main tank

They deal with THrash better than the melee

in the end its kind've a wash

[frosty wedge]

and we're a great white dmaage tank

[uneven mason]

yeah

we take them auto attacks like champs

but BDKs are professionals at making spike damage work for them

[finite quail]

He almost doesn't need a healer lol

[uneven mason]

Almost

when Vamp blood is up pretty sure he wont

[finite quail]

Ya prob not

[uneven mason]

but thrash gives them 100% uptime on 10stacks of boneshield

[frosty wedge]

yeah, it's pretty bonkers... I did a waycrest 10 on my BDK last week and the healer got trucked by a baster through a door

[uneven mason]

and allows them to double dump Deathstrikes

[frosty wedge]

caster*

[uneven mason]

Finally got AoTC as a prot warrior

[frosty wedge]

I managed to sustain in a pack of 4 mobs until he ran back

[uneven mason]

our healers were all dead at the end

we used BoP gimmic taunts

to finish him off

[frosty wedge]

lol, nice

[uneven mason]

cause I held him for 5 seconds while BOP'd and my Azerite veins healed me to almost full during it

the paladin got another 3 seconds

while bubbled

and then it was time for me to die

[finite quail]

I almost thought about brining my alt dk for this fight because my warrior needs nothing off it anyways lol

And blood dks are just nuts lol

[uneven mason]

Warriors are better overall for fetid TBH

its one of the few fights where we put other tanks to shame

[frosty wedge]

for MT, absolutely

[uneven mason]

still harder to play than other tanks

but we can make our predictable mitigation work for us very well

had a bit of a minorly triggering moment lastnight

I'm main tank for our HC runs still, but they wanted the padding tanks for progression in mythic

understandable

[dusk locust]

i'm going to be off-tanking fetid for more prog tonight

[uneven mason]

BUt then once a fight is on farm

they bring me in

because the healers prefer healing me

Whutthafuck

[frosty wedge]

lol, that seems like they lack a logic check there

[dusk locust]

lol

[lusty grotto]

Dat logic

[frosty wedge]

if healers prefer healing you.... you figure they'd want you there for prog

lol

[finite quail]

Only thing is i normally play arms so I am geared towards that. Tanking now because our main tank is out for two weeks

[uneven mason]

I think its because as long as they can plan with me around damage taken (no surprises) I"m easier to heal

[finite quail]

So I have like 1200 haste 1100 crit lol

[lusty grotto]

"sorry we can't, we progress like method so we copy their tank lineup"

[uneven mason]

But the other tanks have better "reactionary/recovery"

SO like, if i goof on mother

I Just blow up

but the BDK just hits vamp blood and giggles

[frosty wedge]

true

[uneven mason]

TFW they die to Zek combo

[frosty wedge]

just don't goof :p

[uneven mason]

I'm like "I take nearly no damage on Zek"

[finite quail]

Well will of the necro also for a blood dk lol

[dusk locust]

i never call for externals on zek so my blood co-tank calls for them on most combos

[finite quail]

Get low health here have a 35% damage reduction lol

[frosty wedge]

omg, dude I was pugging heroic zek on my monk a few days ago and the BDK wasn't AMSing during combo

[lusty grotto]

Bdks get shit on zek for sure

[finite quail]

Our blood dk calls for 0 externals for it

[frosty wedge]

yeah, BDK played well is fine on zek

[finite quail]

Ams and rune tap are really good

[lusty grotto]

Not in pugs though

[dusk locust]

do blood dks have to sacrifice survivability at all to do damage?

[lusty grotto]

Every bdk I've pugged heroic zek with dies

[dusk locust]

like if they're looking to parse

[finite quail]

If they are looking to parse ya

[frosty wedge]

meh I pugged zek on my BDK at like 353 and was fine?

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto bdk is like, best tank for zek combo

[finite quail]

Cuz they don't hold death strike at that point

[dusk locust]

that might explain it

lol

[lusty grotto]

I hear ya

[dusk locust]

he's always 95+ on damage parse

to keep himself engaged

[lusty grotto]

Just shitty reroll pugs imo

[finite quail]

Prob not holding runes for the combo etc

[wintry ermine]

yeah BDK has to hold power for death strike just like we have to hold rage for IP for the combo

[finite quail]

To make sure he has rune tap up for the whole thing

[dusk locust]

i mean he's never dead so it's better this way

i'm just curious

[ember arrow]

theres no need for rune tap at all

[finite quail]

Rune tap is good on zekvoz

[ember arrow]

you can heal yourself with 2 DS even with 50% debuff

[finite quail]

Only fight

[ember arrow]

after shatter

its not necessary at all

or needed

[uneven mason]

Yeah, its only if they Fuck up and don't double DS after the first 2 parts

[frosty wedge]

the combo of vamp blood + death strike is just so powerful after large damage intake

[uneven mason]

3rd hit of the combo will be painful for sure

[ember arrow]

irrelevant

theres no tank dmg

after it

[uneven mason]

ONe would hope

[ember arrow]

even if it takes you to 1hp

[dusk locust]

any general tips for off-tanking mythic fetid? haven't seen him past 50% yet, wondering if i'm in for a surprise

so far there isn't anything to it

[uneven mason]

You are in for a surprise

of how unnoticable the increase in damage is

🛡

[dusk locust]

how much more is he doing? 25%?

[vocal nimbus]

25 more done 50 more taken

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

Its really just keep calm and carry on

just do what you do for the first 50%

and you'll be groovy

[hasty flicker]

call for BoP

its your friend

[uneven mason]

you coudl do that too

if things get harry

Saves the healers some mana

[dusk locust]

we have a holy paly and i expect tonight to have a ret pally as well

[uneven mason]

I'd say call for a BoP just before his first knockback post 50%

[hasty flicker]

then enrage is a joke

should have all externals up for it, aswell as bop and own cds

[uneven mason]

because you don't want to eat a thrash while the healers are still moving back to position

[dusk locust]

i've yet to call for externals on fetid on any difficulty. i guess the time to do it is when i want to recharge shield block and last stand isn't available?

[uneven mason]

it lasts 8 seconds

so it can cover 2

In theory

[hasty flicker]

i mean not calling them is wasting them, so just use them on enrage

[uneven mason]

Main tank might need some as well

[frosty wedge]

it SHOULD cover 2 unless it's really unfortunately timed

[uneven mason]

folks forget Thrash is spikey but his melee is doing 25% more damage than Thrash over the course of the fight

[dusk locust]

i'm not sure whether the main tank has been taking any yet

i'd have to check

[hasty flicker]

it depends if his co tank is monk

[dusk locust]

i thought they were doing the same damage overall

[hasty flicker]

hes fine without it

[dusk locust]

co-tank is bdk

[frosty wedge]

ah

[uneven mason]

Monks taking Thrash "I can't die in 6 second windows"

[frosty wedge]

surprised you haven't swapped positions

[hasty flicker]

same

[dusk locust]

should we?

[hasty flicker]

bdk is best

[frosty wedge]

yeah

[hasty flicker]

for trash

[dusk locust]

oh

we were doing it this way b/c if he has to move i have better mobility

[uneven mason]

block is professional level white hit eater

[hasty flicker]

he doesnt need any cds for trash and can heal up easy after one

[frosty wedge]

yeah he can pretty much heal himself after thrash

[uneven mason]

BDK takes spike damage and tops the healing meters

[frosty wedge]

and you deal with white damage better

[uneven mason]

and he'll have 100% uptime on morrowrend

[frosty wedge]

^

[uneven mason]

which means he's generating more runic power

which means he's death striking twice as much

which means the healers can ignore him

iirc tanks shouldn't ever have to move anyway

unless there is a fuckup

[dusk locust]

are you bracing yourself against a pillar then?

he can only ams every other stomp

[hasty flicker]

depending on where he tanks it, fetids position can become funcky if he goes to dinner

[uneven mason]

yeah

[frosty wedge]

yeah you should be against a pillar for suer

[dusk locust]

hm i thought it'd be better to save that for a dps

[uneven mason]

you have 2 pillars on each side to brace

[hasty flicker]

and its not ams who stops the stomp btw

its his movement skill

[dusk locust]

oh

[uneven mason]

if he moves, just jog down to the pillar that gives yo uthe best line up

[frosty wedge]

death advance

[uneven mason]

do this as a pair

[frosty wedge]

death's

[dusk locust]

if we're up against the pillar are 5 melee still gonna have room

[hasty flicker]

if they have a brain

and your holy pala will want to meele too for his healing cd

[dusk locust]

seems like it's bad enough as it is

[frosty wedge]

does anyone use the doorway strat on mythic, or is it too far to eggs?

that seems to be smoothest in HC

[hasty flicker]

you mean tanking at the start of the room?

[frosty wedge]

yeah

all DPS at the tail, tanks at teh head

[hasty flicker]

that seems bad unless im missing something

[frosty wedge]

no one gets knocked back super far

not like, IN the door, but sideways across the door

[dusk locust]

we're talking mythic so they can't all be stacked

[neon glade]

If they aint stacking properly

It aint your fault

So go back against pillar, and be happy

[hasty flicker]

iirc weve done kills with 6 meeles + holy pala

[uneven mason]

Know what the most satisfying thing about Fetid is?

[hasty flicker]

him being dead?

[dusk locust]

is melee backing out completely when the big debuff is about to come then?

[neon glade]

I've managed kills with 8 melee + h pala

[uneven mason]

Intercepting to the HDH that likes to talk shit at 1% and getting him Thrashed

[dusk locust]

lol

[hasty flicker]

if there is no other option, sure kauda

but they have to fuck up hard if every single meele would have the big debuff at the same time

[dusk locust]

yeah that's fair

melee looks like such a clusterfuck i'm trying to make life as easy as possible for them

[uneven mason]

Not your problem

[dusk locust]

i'm raid lead it's my problem 😛

[hasty flicker]

i dont think there is any way for you as tank to help them besides tanking the boss in a way that most of the hitbox is reachable

you could throw weapon on eggs

that might help them

[dusk locust]

so you guys just brace against the pillar and basically don't move for the entire fight?

[hasty flicker]

"IF" you can be sure to not fuck up, you can pull the boss during the eggs to them

to get extra dmg on boss and egg

[dusk locust]

tbh i feel the risk isn't worth it

[neon glade]

We move to the big add's side

[dusk locust]

might try to put his tail on it

[neon glade]

So melee are always close to boss

[hasty flicker]

i dont know how good your gear is

but it shouldnt be a reason not to kill it

[dusk locust]

our raid is fairly well geared i think

[hasty flicker]

and if you feel its too high of a risk, dont do it

[neon glade]

Don't put the boss ontop of the adds

It is suicide

[torn sun]

what are you progressing, mythic?

[dusk locust]

yeah

[neon glade]

You always have tail facing middle

With back towards pillar

NEVER move from that

[torn sun]

Have you seen methods kill?

They brace against the second pillar on the left

[dusk locust]

i've been modeling what we're doing after the guy who does the twitch commentaries

[neon glade]

Their tactic dosn't mean it is the best tactic for your guild, but sure

[dusk locust]

of course

[hasty flicker]

yeah, if you have the gear, just keep the boss where it is

[torn sun]

Well of course, but it helps to see that it can be done like that

[dusk locust]

we started there and are tweaking things

just haven't done anything different w/ positioning yet

[hasty flicker]

most wipes will come from too many stacks on other people or not enough dps on adds anyways

[neon glade]

We always move the boss between 2 pillars, just to have boss on same side of big add

[hasty flicker]

not from boss dps

[torn sun]

Are you guys always the ones actually tanking fetid? As a warrior?

[frosty wedge]

should be

[dusk locust]

i was off-tanking but everyone's suggesting i main tank

b/c my off-tank is a bdk

[neon glade]

Who said I was playing warrior?

[torn sun]

yeah I force my bdk to take the hits as well

[neon glade]

Offtank should pref be offtank

Be dk*

[torn sun]

I usually die when I am not tanking actively 😄

[dusk locust]

lol i think i could off-tank it with good planning but apparently spec-wise it's better he does, and i main tank

just strengths of the classes

[neon glade]

Dk is best offtank for the fight

[ember arrow]

why have play well and have risks

[neon glade]

No doubt

[ember arrow]

instead of taking trash passively

and healing it back

[neon glade]

Levko, go back to being a renault

Shol

Shoo*

[ember arrow]

no

[torn sun]

Can Brew dodge it?

[ember arrow]

no

[frosty wedge]

nope

[torn sun]

Makes sense

[frosty wedge]

but they can stagger 80% of it

and purify that shit off, lol

[torn sun]

Lovely 😄

[neon glade]

You can dodge or parry thrash

Unclear on if block is possible

Dunno

[ember arrow]

uhh

isnt it specifically made to not be parryable

or dodgeable

[neon glade]

Can't*

[frosty wedge]

yeah

lol

[neon glade]

My bad, missed 1 letter

[torn sun]

The tanking dot on fetid is magic, right?

*on vectis

[hasty flicker]

yes

[dusk locust]

yeah

[frosty wedge]

yeah, it's nature

I think?

[hasty flicker]

nature, yes

[torn sun]

So, take two stacks and SR?

[hasty flicker]

you can switch on one too

[dusk locust]

i take two stacks and my co-tank takes 1 and the add

he takes 1 on pull, i taunt, i take 2

and he taunts the add when it's up

timing works out great for us

[torn sun]

I am having trouble figuring out if I did something wrong, or if just the healers should've been able to keep me up

[neon glade]

No reason to take 2 stacks tho

Taunting off at 1 causes no taunt immunity

It just minimises damage

[torn sun]

I died a lot on our first pulls of Zekvoz, I just couldn't take the combo

[hasty flicker]

that might be issue on your end i think

if you start it with full HP

[neon glade]

Reroll dk 😉

[ember arrow]

quality tips

[torn sun]

Yeah I thought so too, but thankfully on our second and third down it was going much better

[dusk locust]

i do really well on that combo. last stand all of them, spell reflect the last void lash, and ignore pain whatever you can during it

[zinc mauve]

Yep

[dusk locust]

i just have shield wall as a "oh i didn't pool rage uh oh" button

[torn sun]

yeah my shield wall is my panic button as well .. but with anger management I should be using it more often

[zinc mauve]

I use shield wall to just ease the amount of healing needed if I'm less than half going into the combo

[dusk locust]

it's strictly better to use it for a lot of the combos

[rough peak]

how do you bois play the zul debuf in p2? u shieldwall it?

[dusk locust]

i just get distracted raid leading sometimes

haha

[lusty grotto]

bop bop bop

[torn sun]

we just talked about that d.coil a few days ago

[zinc mauve]

Anything you can to survive really

[dusk locust]

last stand frees up rage that you can dump into IP

for zul

[rough peak]

oh

[woven pelican]

heeeey guys, did you see the UUUUUP for us soon 😄 ?

[hasty flicker]

bop is really the best bet for zul stacks

[torn sun]

you stay with zul as long as you can to generate rage and IP as much as you can

[zinc mauve]

Just stay in combat until it's about to expire and then jump away if you don't have a pally

[torn sun]

and jump out at the last second

[zinc mauve]

Yepyep

[rough peak]

no shieldwall? it seems rly hard wothout tho

[torn sun]

you can sw as well of course

[hasty flicker]

depending on how many rogues you have and who starts, you only need to take 2-3 sets of zul debuffs

[zinc mauve]

You use it if you have it

[torn sun]

But I usually have used it by then 😄

[neon glade]

So what'cha all think on the latest build? The buffs to prot, nerfs etc

[lusty grotto]

[zinc mauve]

It's an overall buff

[torn sun]

I love it, hope they do not change it

maybe add a bit more

😄

[zinc mauve]

Especially to m+

Helps a lot with some ranged mobs hitting like a truck

[lusty grotto]

it's a net buff for sure

[neon glade]

And how would prot now do against other tank classes? Personally I aint a big prot player, so Idk

[torn sun]

yeah the ranged block is the biggest thing I guess

[lusty grotto]

to early to say

[hasty flicker]

there are still monk nerfs coming

[zinc mauve]

Depends on the setting. We still lack m+ utility that dks have

[neon glade]

So dk will still beat warrior?

[hasty flicker]

im sure of it

[torn sun]

Yeah it will

[zinc mauve]

Probably?

[hasty flicker]

dk has the grip and the easy kite

and still alot of sustain

[lusty grotto]

unless more nerfs come for dk, they will be preferred by MDI contenders sure

[zinc mauve]

It's mostly the grip

[neon glade]

What about in a raiding enviroment?

[lusty grotto]

Depends on the fight mechanics

why don't you hop on PTR and let us know

warriors lack the ability to see the future

[zinc mauve]

Grip is absurdly powerful in m+ with affixes like sanguine. It helps group up pesky ranged mobs as well

[neon glade]

As I said, I aint a good prot player, I am just trying to figure out what is considered the best

[frosty wedge]

also gorefiends is OP

[lusty grotto]

just wondering, if you're not good then why do you care?

[hasty flicker]

my guess will be still monk for raid

[frosty wedge]

dk has so much control

[lusty grotto]

just play what you consider fun

[neon glade]

So I am asking the classes that has the biggest changes

[hasty flicker]

since i dont trust blizz

[torn sun]

In raids prot warr is not that bad, it's just too high maintenance

[neon glade]

Because I am a good tank, just not a good prot

[zinc mauve]

All classes are about equal if you are just looking to play the game

[lusty grotto]

lol....

[torn sun]

You have to try harder than others to stay alive, that's just that

[neon glade]

Hm, fair enough

[zinc mauve]

If you want to push m+, warrior is still good, you will just have some trouble finding a group

[lusty grotto]

you consider yourself a good tank by not playing prot?

[zinc mauve]

No

[neon glade]

I aint a prot main

[torn sun]

No he said he is a good tank, just not as prot

[zinc mauve]

Yep

[lusty grotto]

theres 6 tanking classes

[neon glade]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

i find saying im a good tank kind of weird

[limber tulip]

yep

[zinc mauve]

guardian druid

[hasty flicker]

did druid get a tanking spec in BFA?

[zinc mauve]

Literally dead in the water

[lusty grotto]

no, they got deleted

[torn sun]

nah they were removed

[neon glade]

I play mainly dk and monk, so hence why I am asking around, I want whats best simply.

[lusty grotto]

ah i see

[hasty flicker]

go monk

[zinc mauve]

Removed with banners

[lusty grotto]

i guess you are a good tank then

by playing the 2 more forgiving tanks in the game lol

[limber tulip]

wait what

[hasty flicker]

nothing wrong about that

[torn sun]

it doesnt matter much, you can be a good tank as anything

[limber tulip]

why wouldnt you minimize risk

4head

[neon glade]

^

[ember arrow]

so by picking the safest options, he is a bad tank?

omegalul

[lusty grotto]

yes, it worked

still fucking got it

[neon glade]

Lol, wut

[hasty flicker]

oh man, you trolled us hard

[ember arrow]

"im just pretending to say dumb things"

[crimson patio]

Lol, getting rational backlash, just pretend u were trolling

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[crimson patio]

Works as always

[lusty grotto]

seeing 5 new people salty

[digital arrow]

Foot soup clap 🤔

[lusty grotto]

and levko whos a bdk

😃

[limber tulip]

booty clap

skyhold iq

lol

[ember arrow]

levko isnt a bdk

[lusty grotto]

dont lie

[ember arrow]

levko doesnt play the game

[lusty grotto]

oh right

[torn sun]

levko is a yellow van

[ember arrow]

excuse me

[signal plover]

Levko is sleeper cell wow player

[digital arrow]

Foot soup clap is a meme around here

[ember arrow]

im a Renault 1997 Kangoo

[neon glade]

He is our yellpw renault

So we'll soon scrap him

For 8x moonlote ore

[torn sun]

Would have appreciated you more if you were a generic yellow van

[digital arrow]

Lol levko

[ember arrow]

what point are you making with this?

Nimchip

and levko whos a bdk
😃

in #protection · Oct 25, 2018, 2:42 PM

serious question

[lusty grotto]

no point

[neon glade]

Racism against dks 😢

[lusty grotto]

but obviously bdks would rush to defend their rerolls

[ember arrow]

when i will paly wow again, it will be on bdk, but warr changes look promising

[signal plover]

The goal of this channel is to help ppl play sum prot gud. And occasionally trigger Sal.

[ember arrow]

IP off gcd might be enough for me

[lusty grotto]

right

it's not to answer people looking to reroll

[ember arrow]

im not saying to reroll

[signal plover]

It can be

[lusty grotto]

i don't mean you Levko

[ember arrow]

oh ok

[torn sun]

I am too lazy to reroll

😄

[signal plover]

If the ppl don't wanna play prot they don't have to

[ember arrow]

if i answer a question, i try to not involve a class

if i know what prot can do, i tell

[limber tulip]

lol

[ember arrow]

i palyed prot all legion

[limber tulip]

imagine taking a raid spot in a progression guild and not having options to make the fight easier

[torn sun]

yeah I will play prot all bfa, it can be only better

[lusty grotto]

it always goes like this: "are prots gonna be top?", "are they gonna beat BDK?"

in this channel

[ember arrow]

well people dont follow this chat like me/you do

so it only makes sense

[signal plover]

^

[ember arrow]

dont need to blame em

[lusty grotto]

you're obviously gonna get the most biased answer

[neon glade]

I am rarely in here, so yeah

[signal plover]

Cuz ur a bad tank kappa

Gottem

[torn sun]

Well that is why I am in a social guild and not progression right @limber tulip