Or rather you’re under the person tanking it
#protection
clever swift
sharp oriole
Do you have any good shield which is similar to mage tower appearence?
clever swift
It should show how far you are from pulling
opaque harness
what is the difference between gray and red?
dusk locust
i think gray is "an opposing faction tagged this"
or whoever else tagged it and so it's not available to you
lusty grotto
it also turns gray if the max number of players on your own faction tag it
so you still won't get credit/loot
blue is usually a friendly unit
pets / other players etc
oblique garnet
FeelsBadMan the guild im trialing for will rather take undergeared blood dk than use prot warrior with gear for zekvoz
oblique garnet
Yeah but the tank is dying : (
vocal nimbus
I felt like the most dangerous part of zekvoz are the aas 🤔
earnest zinc
Those are what you call meta monkeys
earnest zinc
Still, both DK and Warrior can make that combo a joke (esp Warrior)
junior ivy
im scared of zek tonightttt
dusk locust
you're gonna be fine
earnest zinc
SR reflects it right?
azure perch
You can block the physical one, and SR the magical one
earnest zinc
Also it's nice to have demo up for that if you can
azure perch
^
And you might aswell rotate last stand and shield wall, as there are like no other point to use them at
dusk locust
i generally focus on having last stand up for the whole thing, and try to save enough rage to ignore pain 2 or 3 of the hits
and SR the last lash
avatar actually lines itself perfectly that it's available again right when the adds spawn
earnest zinc
Then again monk can also make it a joke
digital arrow
can one last stand block two terrible trashes? anybody know?
dusk locust
from fetid?
digital arrow
yeah
digital arrow
i think its like 14
everytime i off tank fetid i just save cd for each thrash but never noticed if i had blocked more than one during bolster lol
dusk locust
ya you do
digital arrow
oh its 15 seconds whoops
dusk locust
shield block is 6 seconds and so is the thrash, so 1 block 1 thrash
you can get 3 thrashes then with last stand
earnest zinc
You also want to make sure you keep up demo for thrash on enrage
Use Shield Wall for gaps in that situation
digital arrow
alrighty
earnest zinc
You should have Avatar ready for that to keep it up constantly
Though go with the boss if it jumps to keep TCing it
Make sure to go with it back to the MT though
digital arrow
thanks
earnest zinc
I'm not sure about the timing on his jumps since I use a braindead monk for it
Though I would try to avoid using Last Stand when he's about to jump
digital arrow
i'll keep an eye out, maybe dbm might have a timer on it
digital arrow
heroic
earnest zinc
You should be fine if your shield is decent (340+ min)
The higher the better
Also I think you might be able to use shield block to block 2, but I don't remember for sure
If you can, you need to use it right before the first
digital arrow
yeah i wanna try that but it's risky. maybe if i shield wall before i try it, healers wont have a heart attack
sand egret
:evil-kermit: do it anyway.....
digital arrow
lmao
scenic bolt
How people feel about the proposed changes positive?
sick sentinel
It's a start but more changes are needed
old night
@digital arrow use BigWigs. I can't stand DBM and became a much better and in tuned raider when I switched
but could just be me
sand egret
when I used addons i remember liking BWigs over DBM
dusk locust
imo it's better not to have it tell you when to taunt, because strats might be different
junior ivy
big wigs tells me how many stacks i have but not when to taunt
sand egret
I need to break out my old WA videos, I had a tank swap one where you could assign X stacks of a debuff and it'd shoot off a "MOVE BITCH GET OUT THE WAY" audio clip to you so you'd know when you're about to lose the boss
junior ivy
soem bosses you taunt at 2 stacks, some 1, some 3, some 5...
i cant memorize how many stacks to taunt at for each boss
dusk locust
then write it down! 😛
junior ivy
actually lemme see if i can memorize
digital arrow
@old night i'll give big wigs a try tonight.. does it also have the voiceline "Run away little girl.... run away..."
junior ivy
taloc, taunt at first enlarged heart. mother, never taunt. zek, taunt at 2 stacks.
digital arrow
?
junior ivy
vectis.. i forget how many
fetid, never taunt
zul, taunt at 2 or whenever i can
mythrax taunt at every thingy
ghuun, taunt when other tank gets thing to take out
so the only one i forget is vectis
sand egret
it should pocky, BW literally had everything DBM did including an option to "fake DBM" haha
grim prism
Sup nerds
junior ivy
wait, vectis is tuant at 2...
grim prism
Spicy shit inc
junior ivy
zek is taunt at shatter
digital arrow
the taunt now alert from dbm is never when my own group wants me to taunt
it varies
grim prism
Did they really take IP off GCD on PTR
dusk locust
vectis is one that i bet changes based on strat. we do it so i taunt off the other tank when he has 1 stack, and he taunts off me when i have 2
digital arrow
zek, i taunt after shatter... dbm yells taunt after the void lash
grim prism
inb4
PTR
astral crystal
they did, ballsack
digital arrow
co-tank and rl just tell me when they want to do tank swaps
junior ivy
also i like dbm casue one day i was super frustrated over hounds in antorus. and i went into dbm discord and complained about how dbm doesnt have an audible countdown for the maws
and the dbm developer guy was like
il ladd it for you
and sure enough like a week later he msged me to say it was added
digital arrow
damn i forgot the dbm guy is really dedicated
junior ivy
yeah hes very helpful and nice
junior ivy
yeah
at enlarged heart
when other tank gets it
unless my cotank is a pally
then he tanks entire time
but when i tank with my normal dk cotank, we taunt swap at enlarged heart
on heroic we dont swap ever
dusk locust
we swap taloc on mythic too, though it isn't strictly necessary
south yarrow
Oh we never swap him, hadn't even crossed my mind tbh
astral crystal
you dont have to swap at enlarged heart
junior ivy
yeh ive done it before without taunting
astral crystal
just sit on the mt and help him soak
junior ivy
but usually we do
south yarrow
Like if dps can survive soaking enlarged heart, you can as well even while still tanking boss
junior ivy
taloc is so much more stressful on mythic than both mother and zekvoz tbh
dusk locust
lol i feel the same. elevator is so dangerous
dusk locust
it's just the elevator for me
digital arrow
anybody remember the title of that one writeup with the brewmaster log that was playing poorly but still had a clean kill on heroic fetid? i think it was
junior ivy
what does clean kill mean
dusk locust
probably just that there were no sudden deaths or other unexpected shenanigans. boss died without much trouble
astral crystal
clean kill ie tank didn't die even though he was literally drooling on his keyboard
digital arrow
unexpected shenanigans is my favorite
dusk locust
it was hard for this particular player
so they were looking his log over
and they discovered that even though he was playing totally wrong, it's hard to tell the diff b/t him and an excellent player
prisma crane
Cat, it'd be like you doing heroic fetid a month ago without using SB once
digital arrow
"bring the player not the class" -blizzard
maybe that was their trial with warrior
prisma crane
Yea but he barely melees
open bluff
until you have a brm afk fetid and it's literally bring the class 
signal plover
Ayyyy
digital arrow
still thinkin about that one
sand egret
pfff
Day 7. Finally learned what this "shield" thing is. Surprisingly, they aren't typically made of bones.
digital arrow
LOL
dull pilot
digital arrow
huh, it seems you need to raise this shield thing up for it to be useful.. and here i thought all shields magically floated in circles around me
waxen cradle
Granted I can just look at the pins and go to the trinket list but as for trinkets you can reliably get at a decent chance how does the crit on use trinket from Doom Howl rate for Prot ?
as a dps trinket obviously
I mainly ask because I do not have it and have not tried it out
sand egret
@dull pilot as far as I'vve heard, that tenticle sucks
waxen cradle
@dull pilot I still use Blockades as its still for now one of the best pure survivability trinkets for Prot warriors. Also the haste from Rezans is just too good to pass up for me to be honest
sand egret
@waxen cradle for Doom's Howl, there's been a some good positive feedback from others around here about it being useful burst of crit
err parry
specifically noting it as a boon for stuff like parrying off Necrotic
howevver, RNG mitigation is still RNG
waxen cradle
@sand egret nice yeah I have not gotten it to try it out and considered trying to get it and see how it was for dps/burst
frosty wedge
the fetid thing was that the ONLY difference between a BrM with 23% ISB uptime vs a BrM with 895 uptime was that the former's damage intake was a tad spikier
89%*
basically there's no punishment for not knowing how to Monk
sand egret
yeah that's the TLDR of The Fetid Log as far as I recall
really bad guy pulled off clean kills despite being bad and after inspection, turns out the performance gap between bad and good was a) not really noticed and b) specifically shifted to the healers instead of the tank
sinful bay
quick question: stand as one or reinforced plating ? Unfortunately I don't have anything else (gearing up my warrior)
sand egret
doesn't really matter @sinful bay (not super helpful). take the higher ilvl
frosty wedge
Top one is 23% uptime, bottom is 88%
waxen cradle
@sinful bay reinforced plating
solid mist
I saw something similar the other night, playing an alt, my buddy on his resto. hop in a random M+ with a BrM. he's on voice with me just shooting the shit and is like "dear lord, this dude is getting crushed, I'm having a hard time healing him I thought BrM was supposed to be easy to heal?" and I"m like "yeah I'm watching party frames. He's not using ISB that much, have fun buddy!"
sinful bay
thanks
waxen cradle
@sinful bay as Bladesong said its really based off item level with those traits neither are great
sand egret
yeah, the lack of feedback is actually the bigger take-away imho
frosty wedge
honestly don't understand HOW people don't have ISB up like 100% of the time
sand egret
as its a product of Stagger as a mechanic
well Mike, at lot of it is mental hierarchy
signal plover
Also over purifying
sand egret
if you don't feel the need to hit it
frosty wedge
yeah the top guy purified like 4x the bottom
sand egret
then it simply isn't up there. Take a look at Prot, SB is our lifeblood
frosty wedge
oh I know - just like... what are you pushing if you're not keeping ISB up? lol
sand egret
I'm a fuckin crack-head looking for a fix when I don't have that buff up
digital arrow
lol well put
sand egret
"Yo man....anyone got a Shield Block"
digital arrow
scratches arm
sand egret
"I'll suck yo dick for a cooldown"
sand egret
doesn't solve the feedback prob imho
digital arrow
"cmon man just need one more second of some SB"
solid mist
will they though?
sand egret
I think ISB should extend the length of stagger
frosty wedge
and you'll be able to tell if your monk is afk
solid mist
will they?
waxen cradle
scratches neck and quotes Dave Chapel anyone got some crack
sand egret
so not using it means the tick rate is way more frequent, which gives urgency
solid mist
prot war has some pretty profound feedback right? still people not hitting SB apparently
¯_(ツ)_/¯
frosty wedge
yeah, but you can tell when a prot warr isn't hitting SB
sand egret
eh, for some the "Release" button aint enough
frosty wedge
because they're dead
sand egret
then again, not everyone is prone to go "HMM HOW DID I MESS UP?"
frosty wedge
if monks took 60% more damage to the face without ISB people would stop taking bad monks
waxen cradle
For me if your dead that is a good sign shield block was not used
solid mist
"healer didn't heal me good enough"
solid mist
"ugh we have a resto shaman in the group, that's the problem. I read they are garbo"
sand egret
^
waxen cradle
Or my favorite yeah... Warriors are just bad right now... I mean Sco said so
solid mist
Still needs to be feedback, but I think a lot of people are still gonna faceroll and just go "UGH C'MON HEALERS"
worthy karma
Woop woop tiny changes that combind with DC being nerfed are actualy probably a nerf
frosty wedge
yep
the stuff currently on PTR is probably a net nerf
and doesn't at all address our lack of utility
supple path
It's not a net nerf, but agreed on utility.
worthy karma
Or ravager or our other useless talents
sand egret
I just think if Stagger was a shorter duration without ISB the monk, healerless, feels the full force of the ability sooner. Thus it adds to their urgency. ISB extends the period which also extends the cushion healers feel
frosty wedge
I dunno - nerfing DC into the floor hurts our survivability a shit ton
supple path
Sure, but gaining passive hp, passive armor, and most importantly the -cd on shield block counters it and then a bit more, from the math thus far.
worthy karma
Demo still om gcd, IP still on gcd, No taunt sprint, no aoe taunt
Charge still on gcd
frosty wedge
IP is off GCD
supple path
Even before getting into the harder to quantify gains from IP off GCD and blocking projectiles.
worthy karma
It has its own 0.5 which is still bs
supple path
try it out on PTR
waxen cradle
I do not feel it is really a nerf.. I mean a nerf to DCrash of course, but once again our armor is going up, our health is going up, we are getting better uptime on shield block and then add in the yet undocumented ability to block ranged melee attacks it does not feel like a nerf to me
frosty wedge
... that's to stop you from spamming it
supple path
it's a self-ICD - only applies to ignore pain.
solid mist
that's... to prevent you from double tapping
supple path
it's not like the charge 0.5
solid mist
that's a safeguard
waxen cradle
OH and yeah IP off the GCD
signal plover
IP off GCD, more passive mitigation, SB CD reduced and ur saying net nerfs wot lol?
frosty wedge
it's a safety so you don't accidentally blow IP twice
sand egret
latency protection, really
worthy karma
Whoa whats this about ranged attacks?
thorn yarrow
I mean it feels more of a nerf because of the downtime on Demo shout
waxen cradle
Maybe not huge but will make the spec play and feel better as we do not lose a ability we would rather use from a GCD spent on IP
heady citrus
dc needed a nerf. having azerite trait worth 45+ ilvl was rediculous for balance
thorn yarrow
but ya we did get buffed
frosty wedge
6 second max extension of DS from DC hurts a lot
supple path
Undocumented PTR change, can block ranged attacks now
sand egret
@worthy karma we can block Rocks
signal plover
Ranged physical*
thorn yarrow
@heady citrus dont talk about balance when DKs literally blow everyone out the water
frosty wedge
that's 20% dmg reduction and 10% dps boost
thorn yarrow
balance isnt an argument
heady citrus
dks got nerfs to there redic big pack pulling
supple path
Oh hush, just because one thing is OP doesn't mean give up on all balance everywhere
it was a dumb trait that forced us to use ilvl 340 gear over 385 - that's not balanced
sand egret
saying you can nerf one thing because something else is strong is the opposite of how you balance
can't*
thorn yarrow
Im not saying that at all
heady citrus
i dont think warrior was ever in bad place other then how fluid spec plays.
thorn yarrow
but if "balance" is ur argument thats pretty weak considering how the top tier tanks vs low tier tanks are balanced or handled
supple path
Now whether or not our end power result ends up at the appropriate spot...harder to say, but DC needed a nerf on its own merits regardless of our actual power level.
worthy karma
I agree DC needed to be nerfed. But we need extra buffs to make up the diff
thorn yarrow
@sand egret not even close dont put words in my mouth
earnest zinc
Warrior is not in a good place
sand egret
"@ Xastin dont talk about balance when DKs literally blow everyone out the water"
pretty sure you said that
waxen cradle
honestly if I am being 100% honest passing up 40 item level upgrades for certain slots because DCrash is that much better than any other trait feels 100 times worse then a truthfully justified nerf
earnest zinc
We require much more skill for no extra benefit at all
heady citrus
thats fine
frosty wedge
meh the BDK nerf isn't that bad - bonestorm has a cap
thorn yarrow
@sand egret I said that in the implication if u wanna argue the reason DC was nerfed is balance then dont ignore the entire top tier tanks
frosty wedge
but they get more AOE DPS now
charred void
Get good or play something else
thorn yarrow
if u cant see that not my fault
heady citrus
do you really want to be 1 button tank?
frosty wedge
when standing in D&D they hit 3 additional targets with heart strike
signal plover
Time to close prot warr discord for a bit.
sand egret
but that's what i'm saying
thorn yarrow
DC needed a nerf thats fine but the other shit doesnt make up for it
earnest zinc
Actually, that is sugarcoating because we are actually weaker than other tanks when at max skill level
sand egret
DC getting nerfed doesn't have anything to do with BDKs being strong
thorn yarrow
so ur changing the argument
sand egret
conflating the two is the issue
thorn yarrow
nice
sand egret
no, that's exactly what i'vev been saying
supple path
I mean...mathematically, the stuff Marok and whatnot have typed up so far show it strictly does make up for it.
sand egret
bringing in BDKs when we're talking about DC is the issue
signal plover
We're also not "weaker"
charred void
BLADESONG VS KECKLEONKING ROUND 2 FIGHT
thorn yarrow
no I was bringing up the argument of saying "balance"
earnest zinc
Maybe not the worst, but weaker enough to be considered obsolete to Brew and BDK
thorn yarrow
u changed the goal post
supple path
You were trying to deflect to a different balance question in order to justify saying balance should never be used to justify a nerf.
signal plover
Obsolete wot?
supple path
Trying to pretend he's changing the goal post now is just eyeroll.
sand egret
basically
thorn yarrow
nah
waxen cradle
@signal plover people are beyond clueless if they think a 15% increase to SB uptime, more armor, more stam, IP off the GCD and the ability to block ranged attacks is not worth a small nerf to a trait that made us pass up 40 or so item level upgrades
signal plover
Right
heady citrus
im 100% excited by ptr changes
signal plover
Maybe ppl just got bored
supple path
It's because the nerf is bigger than any of the individual buffs, but there are like 5 distinct buffs
thorn yarrow
if you wanna say its balance to reduce our best trait that helps out Mit out more then anything else for the sake of "balance" there shouldnt have ever been a big gap from top tier to bottom tier tanks to begin with or allowing it to last this long without changes
supple path
So people get nerf-stickershock
earnest zinc
There's no reason to bring a prot warrior to mythic uldir when brew does everything they do but better. Pally is the same way, but they are faceroll enough to get more representation
signal plover
U can still extend DS up to 14 secs per cast and AM didn't get touched so the trait is still solid
earnest zinc
Also they get a "get out of jail free" card with Divine Protection
supple path
Yeah, the trait "only" increases demo's duration by 75% now.
When people say it was imbalanced, they're not saying "so it made warriors overpowered" they're saying "it was 4x more powerful than all the other traits"
earnest zinc
There needs to be a buff to compensate
supple path
And balancing around traits like that sets up a shitty dynamic where you NEED the trait to be 'balanced' - so I'd rather they nerf the trait now while they're making other balance adjustments, because they're going to nerf it eventually anyhow
signal plover
And they do more than just compensate
earnest zinc
Those buffs were more to put us on par without that nerf
zinc mauve
Demo shout uptime was nerfed by 20% over a while fight
thorn yarrow
then bring up the other traits an make them actually worth using or dont center such a power trait around 2 abilities an make so strong
sand egret
How is DC out performing at a massive disparity (~45 ilvls) have anything to do with balance between overall tank in tiers. For one, it's a totally different system. Class balance and trait balance.
An ability that is literally uncapped adds a whole lot of headaches for the future, its even worse when you gotta design traits that now have to be >= 45ilvls of power just to compete
supple path
Making other traits balanced with one that triples the duration of a CD is uh
probably not a great idea going forward
sand egret
when ultimately that is the exactly opposite of what they want for the system as a whole
earnest zinc
Give Warriors a 10% damage reduction, or you can make the nerfed version baseline and allow the trait to give us infinite increases like right now.
sand egret
as been stated
thorn yarrow
that would be a valid excuse had all these things not been tested during Beta "headaches" are avoided by the testing done already prior to release
sand egret
and here we go again
thorn yarrow
it was ignored an allowed to slide
supple path
I mean you're not going to find anyone arguing that Blizzard's initial balance in this expansion was good, but that's not relevant to the point.
lusty grotto
ptr changes are a net buff according to Marok
waxen cradle
How do people not get that nerfing a trait that is currently making us pass up 40 or more item level upgrades in favor it not a big deal when were getting more armor, more stam, IP off the gcd, a increase of 15% uptime to shield block and the ability to block ranged melee attacks not a sky is falling situation in comparison
lusty grotto
just responding to someone earlier
earnest zinc
It wouldn't be a problem if they actually listened to feedback
They don't listen to it
supple path
@waxen cradle I also want a pony. And I want paladins to not have one anymore.
earnest zinc
Months of this stuff being brought up in the Alpha/Beta and they didn't do jack shit about it
sand egret
to be fair, outside of these meta threads, feedback is fucking awful
earnest zinc
Now the problems they warned of are happening
waxen cradle
Look at what were getting in comparison of a slight nerf to a trait that will still be our best trait
sand egret
"Spec is shit"
earnest zinc
It's MUCH more than a slight
lusty grotto
how do you know people didn't simply have unreasonable demands Garun
earnest zinc
The last time they tried removing something, we were CRIPPLED
lusty grotto
do you actively give feedback ?
sand egret
more important is how feedback is given, tbh
earnest zinc
Even in ToS when we were good, we were a shadow of what we were before
earnest zinc
Just abandon ship and roll that Brew or BDK
charred void
BLADESONG VA KECKLEONKING ROUND 3 FIGHT
zinc mauve
ok now i can type
thorn yarrow
ROFL
sand egret
👢 🍵 👏 .
lusty grotto
jesus we get it, you two don't like prot in patch x.xxx, what does that even accomplish here anyway?
sand egret
your move.
sand egret
can't reflect Bootyclaps boi
thorn yarrow
bet
signal plover
Garun needs some spaghetti cuz he is upsetti
sand egret
is it mom's
waxen cradle
@supple path If un nerfed people need to consider where that trait would be a few months into the new raid when a ham fisted nerf was damn sure to come down with the fierceness
signal plover
Only mom's
earnest zinc
You can't trust Blizz to not make your spec dogshit
lusty grotto
@earnest zinc
earnest zinc
That's why you always have alts ready
supple path
@waxen cradle Yeah, Blizzard clearly is interested in balancing azerite traits vs eachother, DC was never going to last - only did this long because they knew prot wars were underpowered/relying on it I bet.
lusty grotto
this one is better
thorn yarrow
@lusty grotto show me how its done ❤
lusty grotto
the arrow will show you
thorn yarrow
nah I need a play by play like a video
waxen cradle
@supple path Uptime for the DCrash DS extension would be ridiculous and people think it was nerfed now... imagine the nerf we would have received when the extension reached near 100 % uptime levels... it would have ended up a spec breaking nerf
lusty grotto
that would take more effort than SHIFT+windowskey+S
plain vapor
so many salty people today lol
signal plover
Check the pins keckle
supple path
Oh yeah it was only going to get uglier with haste.
digital arrow
LOUD NOISES
plain vapor
prot war till the day i die lads
digital arrow
high fives krook
sand egret
to be fair
thorn yarrow
@signal plover already have
sand egret
ive died A LOT and i'm still prot, @plain vapor
signal plover
Then follow the arrow bb
solid mist
right. 20% DR, if people were able to keep that at 100% that fundamentally changes the spec, and then how Blizz woul dhave to design around it.
zinc mauve
the whole DC nerf was a necessary evil; overall our current changes on the PTR are an overall buff, allow me to explain
DS uptime for a good prot warrior is between 50-80%, the higher ranges are more difficult to achieve and only achievable in a raid setting from 5 stacks of ITF; Post nerf, the uptime is about 40-50%, falling somewhere in the middle of that range. The nerf mostly hits us during avatar; sincen ormally when you are using demo shout, you arent going to get much more than 6 extra seconds out of it in its current state; with avatar and any haste buff, you can get MUCH more
now lets look at the other changes; first, the undocumented 'Warrior can now block ranged attacks' change is a very solid buff for m+. SB CD changes will be even better as time goes on tahnks to ever increasing haste this expansion with less downtime between block charges
thorn yarrow
@signal plover nah need video am war dumb we smash
zinc mauve
balancing an entire spec around an azerite trait that is worth 45 ilvls would be too much to trust blizzard with
they'd fuck it up inevitably
solid mist
either it's a.) a maintenance buff that we keep up at all times... and if so why have it or b.) it's temporary DR that's meant to be used strategically
sand egret
ya know, coming off yesterday this channel is a ball of fluff and sunshine. hot dang
waxen cradle
One thing people have to realize is with increased haste levels that would come from continual gearing up throughout the expac that the extension DCrash was giving would have gotten such a massive nerf that the irritation you feeling now would be unrecognizable later on when the extension it granted DS reached near 100 uptime
zinc mauve
yes it was a necessary evil
thorn yarrow
I mean like I said fine with the nerf just they really needed to give us more in return for this
earnest zinc
That means we take an average of 6% more damage. 0.2*(0.8-0.5)=0.06
sand egret
look at all these hopeful buggers
lusty grotto
what in the everliving f..
signal plover
:math:
zinc mauve
@thorn yarrow the only place we got even slightly nerfed is mdmg heavy encounters
otherwise got buff all around, especially in m+
thorn yarrow
call me skeptical then because I have seen enough blizzard nerfs to know shit goes wary too fast
waxen cradle
AND that nerf that we would have received would have paled in compare to what your seeing now so my advice is set back and chill out because it could have been worse
oblique garnet
God damn its hard to find a raiding guild on draenor that takes prot warriors
thorn yarrow
even with the "buffs"
earnest zinc
It's hard everywhere
Prot Warriors are basically blacklisted from mythic progression
The only chance you have is to show them logs of you doing great in heroic Uldir
zinc mauve
then make your own stack
lusty grotto
it's hard to find a raiding guild as a tank generally
it always has been
raiding guilds usually have 3 tanks tops
earnest zinc
It seems a bit easier than usual now though
lusty grotto
vs a shitton of dps/heals
thorn yarrow
dungeons can never have enough tanks but raids can always have too many
lusty grotto
two different things
zinc mauve
2+2 is 4 - 1 thats 3 quick maths
lusty grotto
doing dungeons vs being in a raid
supple path
Well as a general rule if a guild is recruiting a tank something went wrong.
So it makes it rough in general.
waxen cradle
If you are any kind of Prot Warrior veteran you know that no one us on top forever and should either accept it or pick another class... because you can either and try and be of the people who plays the class very well or be someone who jumps ship.... either way if your progressing Mythic at any level near cutting edge your going to have multiple geared tanks anyway
thorn yarrow
we have about 6 people who can tank at any given time
I think maybe 2 of them are off specced but eh
lusty grotto
but are you recruiting more tanks?
waxen cradle
hang on a second 2 + 3 does not equal chair ?
lusty grotto
i guess you don't turn them down, but I doubt they see much raiding action as tanks
so they probably leave
sand egret
I'd rather have more Karazan's
lusty grotto
or they offspec
zinc mauve
my guilds got 3 tanks, but my guild isnt a huge mythic raiding guild
we do 10 man raids lmao
i only tank, the other two dps occasionally, on and off
thorn yarrow
@lusty grotto thats what we aim for really is have people with multiple specs an since most content is on farm getting that gear isnt hard
especially with 2-3 active raid groups
an m+ runs
waxen cradle
@signal plover People are such sheep... heard them to the edge of a cliff and give them a little nudge and off they jump... the sky is falling mentality =.=
sand egret
from my experience tanks just can sour fast, as it's often a role of passion (those who choose to tank, usually prefer to tank) but the slots are so limited that playtime as that role is often not optimal
queen owl
i saw there are prot warrior additions to simc according to commits
signal plover
Just gotta read shit n play well
queen owl
are there any sim-backed prot warrior facts yet?
sand egret
like i've been offered guild spots as prime dps and i could "tank" but like fuck that shit
thorn yarrow
Ive played every expac an dps/heal I enjoyed tanking last expac an this one is no different
lusty grotto
so they are making decisions due to this channel's advice
final mist
Sims would be used solely for DPS anyways.
queen owl
sorry if i rustled your jimmies and used bad english
lusty grotto
that's perfectly good english though
final mist
Enough.
queen owl
last time i asked, people were like ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and "there are no prot war sim so we dont know"
final mist
Sims are still being worked on, and when they're done the only thing they'll be used for is DPS metrics.
native monolith
With the current PTR changes on SB and nerf on DS, does Heavy Repercussion a possibility?
oblique garnet
No
lusty grotto
but... why
twin eagle
Definitely a role of passion, I'm not a mythic raider, but I genuinely enjoy the fantasy of standing as the shield going 1 v 1 with the big baddie.
Class efficacy be damned.
sand egret
for sure, its definitely a more "rpg" oriented playstyle
lusty grotto
@native monolith DS was not nerfed, DC was
native monolith
But that implicates on a respective nerf on DS Uptime
oblique garnet
"all exceptional players may apply" "Except if you play prot warrior then its a hard pass"
native monolith
WIth 8.1 Haste, maybe SB uptime may look a better Mitigation than extras DS
supple path
Because HR is a linear increase to SB uptime so having reduced downtime makes it a more valuable % increase in uptime
supple path
And the nerf to DS duration makes it less powerful as a CD so anger management is a bit less strong on it - not saying that makes HR the right choice or anything, but it's...less worse now?
signal plover
Not to mention losing AM from bolster
hushed cobalt
If AM reduced dragon roar cd, me gusta
lusty grotto
Nah, as long as our magic mitigation remains reliant on DS, I don't think HR would be considered - unless there's a boss that just trucks physical damage
final mist
Why would you lose AM from Bolster?
supple path
If you were picking up HR
signal plover
Cuz u specced HR
final mist
Ah, my bad, read that wrong in context
xd
Yeah, the downsides to not picking AM are worse than the upsides of picking HR.
Extremely so.
queen owl
all these acronyms
queen owl
i need to write a notepad to figure out wtf some of these acronyms are
final mist
You get a marginal SB uptime in return for losing... everything AM gives us.
signal plover
Right
oblique garnet
AM = angermanagement HR = heavy repercussions
lusty grotto
DS = Demo Shout, HR = Heavy Repercussions, AM = Anger Management, DC = Deafening Crash @queen owl
final mist
Yes, we're Combat Rogues now.
signal plover
bb = BaBay
lusty grotto
😱
signal plover
Like ayyy babbay
sand egret
👢 🍵 👏 = how warriors say hi around here
queen owl
foot soup clap?
lusty grotto
boot tea clap
queen owl
foot soup clap sounds like an STD\
final mist
🤔
final mist
I can't imagine how this relates to Prot either, but here we are.
lusty grotto
dang
signal plover
Bear with us for a sec
oblique garnet
hmm maybe if i join into a promising heroic guild and carry them through hc i could get into mythic progression 🤔
sand egret
creating a common language to foster comradery amongst fellow warriors
queen owl
how did bears get into this chat
thorn yarrow
every step I take should just auto TC for double damage
queen owl
is this druid discord now?
lusty grotto
(psst you mean paladin)
signal plover
No one even remembers bear memes :*(
supple path
When warriors feel bad they need to think about bears.
lusty grotto
oh you mean the spec that disappeared after Legion?
supple path
This'll learn you guys for being overpowered in early TBC.
lusty grotto
plsdontban
sand egret
I like my Bear 😦
supple path
Yeah, owl tree tanks are really great right now.
thorn yarrow
nice
supple path
Seriously, m+ with a druid tree'ing on CD is so night and day compared to not having it.
digital arrow
i love trees!
sand egret
damn hippies
cold owl
Omg, I rolled boomkin as an alt for the fun of being the saviour the group begrudgingly needs.
I usually run with a priest healer too, so all 4 dispels and huge mitigation through trees with just 1 boomkin
trim sentinel
So Icy veins recommends using the STR flask instead of the Stam one, is that because of Vanguard?
zinc mauve
its because of IP and for damage
ip scales off of attack power
so therefore more str = more damage = bigger ignore pain
elder tusk
STR increases your mitigation effectiveness so actually helps out with healer mana
elder tusk
plus damage
trim sentinel
Oh, that makes better sense, ok, i was curious about that. Thank you!
zinc mauve
no problem B)
trim sentinel
And im guessing battle pots of STR for the same reason?
lusty grotto
right and coastal heal pots since they don't share the cd
steel mauve
That and stam flask gives barely any hp
waxen cradle
Is a booty clap that warriors do like a super powerful fart that cracks the ground because dude mad respect to that
lusty grotto
booty clap is slapping your booty on the ground sir 👢 🍵 👏
waxen cradle
But that sounds painful.... I mean I have never tried to do it but it sounds painful so generating rage from it makes even more sense
lusty grotto
but our booty is stronk
waxen cradle
irl of course
true
This is true
Admittedly Thunderclap sounds like a awful STD to be honest
Try explaining that to a gf I have the thunderclap
tiny sphinx
i like shortening it to "t-clap"
lusty grotto
t clap is why people call it bootyclap actually
i was just applying some reasonable explanation
tiny sphinx
it used to only hit 4 targets, so it was less contagious then
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
Thunderclap is an STD That is caught by using gympie-gympie as toilet paper
waxen cradle
Of course my safety word is pineapple and also what I identify as so hey they might be into the real freaky stuff...
lusty grotto
you obviously "make it clap" when you avatar
waxen cradle
Thunderclap all over them
sick sentinel
Finally got the mythrax trinket, goodbye Darkmoon, hello double tank trinket
digital arrow
dont u mean foot soup clap all over them 👢 🍵 👏
regal island
cmon 8.1 titangrip for prot
vocal nimbus
dual wielding shields
sand egret
eyyyy
fair root
sick sentinel
confused turtle
wraith hemlock
just wanna be sure but maximun block is 85%, right?
wraith hemlock
block as in blocked damage
waxen cradle
@wraith hemlock When crit blocking the maximum amount of damage we can block is 85% yes
ember arrow
max block is double your block rating
it is 85 now?
i had 88 with 7 bastions in legion
waxen cradle
@wraith hemlock It is capped at 85% for BFA
wraith hemlock
I just remember I read somewhere that even if you have 100% damage blocked you will only go up as high as 85%
I mean, my war is at like 50% normal blocks with 2 stacks of BfI
waxen cradle
@wraith hemlock The only real benefit to continue to push block rating is to increase the normal amount of blocked damage outside of crit blocks
steel mauve
Most mitigations have always been 85%
junior ivy
is it weird i prefer healing tyrannical over fortified?
wraith hemlock
Just wanted to be sure, I know that pushing it is still good since it ain't like you crit block 100% of the time like we could with the artifact ability
waxen cradle
@wraith hemlock Your crit blocks cap at 85% but how much you block when not crit blocking can go up and is never really a bad thing
wraith hemlock
Fortified is AIDS... bosses are easy so that's the only time you've to worry about real healing
waxen cradle
@wraith hemlock @junior ivy So if your blocking 50% when not crit blocking then awesome but that does not change how much damage you crit block as it will always be 85%
waxen cradle
@junior ivy Miss tell to catfriend
junior ivy
hahaha
wraith hemlock
lmao
thanks for ur time @waxen cradle , then I shouldn't worry too much on my traits atm
Already capped lmao...
waxen cradle
@wraith hemlock Yeah capping is not that hard however like I said its never a bad thing to get more block rating because like I said it just means you block more damage when not crit blocking
wraith hemlock
oh yeah, I normally hit around the 50-52% cuz double BfI on dungeons and it is really good for not being shitty
junior ivy
got a group of 1500 score people willing to hel pme with my atal 13
😄
im very excited
lusty grotto
lol
oblique garnet
I tried to pug my kr+12 got to the dungeon and our dps said prot warriors dont deserve high keys and left
10/10 experience
lusty grotto
jesus
digital arrow
his loss
gray patrol
It's not that bad without fortified
lusty grotto
easy affixes this week yeah
oblique garnet
But on the bright side i got into a mythic guild as a trial
oblique garnet
4/8
junior ivy
very nice
gray patrol
Grats 😃 Not many people like us
lusty grotto
gz
oblique garnet
I got an recommendation from one of their raiders who i apparently did some m+ with xD
cinder nova
Bloodsport or matrix?
oblique garnet
In which situation?
cinder nova
Yes.
lusty grotto
careful with matrix
lusty grotto
still pulls shit through walls
cinder nova
what's the point
oblique garnet
Matrix does whatever matrix wants
cinder nova
Oh cool
lusty grotto
but it's a nightmare in M+
cinder nova
I'll go matrix then
oblique garnet
It can pull every single mob in waycrest before the tree
cinder nova
LOL
That sounds like a good time on bolster
I might do it just to goon my guild mythics
oblique garnet
Even the ones on the basement
cinder nova
That's fucking gold
oblique garnet
Caught me by surprise when the army of fucking witches came to the courtard
cinder nova
A+
oblique garnet
”Laser matrix is coded to not pull the bug doesnt exist” - blizzard probably
lusty grotto
lol
oblique garnet
It causes more oh shit moments than does good dps
cinder nova
Well
I could give a fuck tbh, I'm not doing M+ more than a few times a week
Gotta scumbag my zek parse
amber siren
are your dps part snail
junior ivy
lmao
neon tangle
@junior ivy It's your punishment for playing alliance
signal plover
Also gnome
neon tangle
@oblique garnet "It was probably lazer matrix" as I watch my ret pally horse across half the zul packs
limber tulip
@green isle
green isle
dull wave
2 things,
- these changes to Prot I’m assuming are really nice. Are we still lacking in something though?
- if I want to play devastor instead of BV and just do some mid range keys (7–10s) will I be okay? I just hate the devastate spam playstyle.
quartz pond
You never actually spam devastate
dull wave
Feels like it sometimes.
lusty grotto
the extra rage from BV helps AM
no reason to use deva
no, you're doing something wrong if you're using devastate too much
dull wave
I know BV is the best. Just seeing if devastator was a choice I could use. And never said I’m using it all the time lol. Just feels like I’m hitting it a lot outside of procs.
lusty grotto
i mean it's your game, you can do anything you want
but there's no reason to use devastator over it
other than preference in your case
dull wave
Clearly. But there are some talents that are just wasted talents and are so beyond broken you shouldn’t use.
prisma crane
devastator only shines MARGINALLY at best in ST situations
pure ST
otherwise, use BV, profit
you'll use devastate more once changes hit, but tbh, we barely use it
dull wave
I want to know if devastator can still be used and I can still do +10s well enough. Or if it’s just mathematically not there
@prisma crane thank you
prisma crane
anyone can do 10s with enough effort, but you're gimping yourself not using BV in M+
lusty grotto
you'll be doing relatively low damage on aoe
damage that helps do keys faster
consider that
prisma crane
especially since fortified is the new tyrannical
trash is much worse in BFA than it was in legion
dull wave
Thanks
lusty grotto
and once again more rage means faster cds due to AM
dull wave
I’m aware of that
lusty grotto
which in turn helps your damage output by lowering avatar cd
prisma crane
yup, you'll get used to it, no argument that it feels shitty to go back to having to use it, but you'll get used to it
dull wave
Kk thanks
prisma crane
i hate having to use it, but i like BV more than i hate deva 😉
dull wave
I think just with being GCD locked it made it feel bad and like I was just smacking my keys. Maybe with IP changes it won’t feel like that
prisma crane
well GCD locked is exactly why we rarely use it in the first place
you'll still be GCD locked once IP goes off the GCD
you'll just use devastate more
dull wave
Kk
prisma crane
it feels claustrophobic compared to legion
but that's the world we live in.. "yay...."
raven kernel
In a m+ you really hardly press devastate
Devastate also isn't crucial to us at all and you pretty much only hit it when there's nothing else to press
So all youd be doing is just giving yourself empty gcds sometimes
zinc mauve
at the very least your GCDs should be nearly filled
if you are sitting there for 1 full gcd doing nothing, you are wasting damage and potential rage
less rage = less defensives too
raven kernel
And anytime you kite the value of devastator plummets
dull wave
Okay thanks for the tips. I’ll get back in and rework my playstyle!
raven kernel
Don't feel like you're losing out if you don't hit devastate
If that's why you feel devastator might be good
prisma crane
damn gurl
prisma crane
👌
lucid kelp
is a 385 Disk of Systematic regrssion worth anything on any spec?
prisma crane
it's not bad for aoe dmg
and you get a shitload of STR
outside of aoe there are better options
sacred roost
ptr change to deafening crash, is the 6 seconds with 1 peice having that trait, or all 3 pc's having it.
meaning they made it stack?
lusty grotto
duration doesn't stack, that didn't changte
hazy flame
6 seconds is the maximum you can extend by, not the amount you get per cast. and it doesnt stack.
amber siren
it's a static 6 seconds
lusty grotto
it's max 6 seconds no matter how many traits you have
sacred roost
ok, so you don't need the trait 3 times, you just need it once and it's giving 6 seconds
lusty grotto
you never needed it 3 times....
amber siren
yep
sacred roost
right now it 2 seconds
hazy flame
No
hazy flame
I repeat, 6 seconds is the maximum you can extend by, not the amount you get per cast. and it doesnt stack.
You still extend by 2 seconds per cast, up to a maximum of 6. ie, the change is that there is now an extension cap.
lusty grotto
sacred roost
generally I think you can only get 2 casts of thunder clap in a single cast of demo anyway.
lusty grotto
amber siren
Nope? Rn you can get 80% DS uptime roughly
brittle timber
With lust and avatar you can keep it up longer than it's CD....that's stupid strong and being fairly nerfed
amber siren
Much more than 2 casts
vivid drum
It just reduces the ability to use the Avatar cooldown to massively bolster it
lusty grotto
DC will still be one of our strongest Traits
just not enough to hold on to lower ilvl for it
amber siren
Which I'm v happy about
neat harbor
wait theyre nerfing TC, what the actual fuck
prot isnt shitty enough lets nerf the only thing that gives it dank meme value
🙄
amber siren
I mean we weren't expecting DC to last this long
neat harbor
I swear the blizzard prot warrior class lead team are a bunch of clueless fucking ponces.
amber siren
A trait shouldn't be worth 45+ ilvl
neat harbor
literally no idea what they are doing
junior ivy
how hard are uldir achievements?
steel mauve
I mean we are getting other buffs, so its not like we are getting nerfed for no reason, or our best trait is getting nerfed and nothing else is happening
sacred roost
so the major changes are , 2 seconds less on shield block charge, 5% more health and armor, and .5 of a second less gcd on ignore pain?
brittle timber
sort of
IP is off the gcd, the 0.5sec cd is not the gcd
and...most importantly
#blocktherock
sacred roost
?
brittle timber
physical projectiles are blockable in 8.1
steel mauve
Ip woll no longer be on gcd, but given a .5 second cd so you cant jusg spam it
And its 5% more stam, and 5% more armor coefficient on str not 5% armor
prisma crane
slight nerf to magic damage for us, buff to phys/blockable dmg (more forgiving), IP is a feel buff and helps our rage floods in aoe, does almost nothing for our ST still, but it'll feel better. the ranged blocking is honestly the best thing out of all of this for me personally
steel mauve
With possibly more on he way, we dont know, and we dont know what they have planned or are testing
prisma crane
overall though, nothing that will make anyone go WOW I WANT A PROT FOR M+
but it's a raid buff for sure
brittle timber
didn't the mastery get changed 2 or 3 weeks ago too? to scale base block chance with ap instead of mastery?
steel mauve
Mastery wasnt changed, afaik they only changed the tooltip
prisma crane
since you could argue that we'll SS crit more often now
and slight rage gain since we wont lose a global every time we IP
brittle timber
and can revenge hit harder please? it feels so bad that our 'damage rage dump' does less damage than a Tclap
steel mauve
Not by much, i think revenge is our second hardest hitting ability iirc under tclap and if you count a shield block shield slam
prisma crane
i'd rather have SS hit hard again
brittle timber
yea that would be nice
prisma crane
or change tooltip to shield slap or something
sick sentinel
Holy shit, today is a good day for me for raiding
Got both the normal and heroic mythrax trinket
sick sentinel
yeah but im glad i got both at least
prisma crane
i approve your optimism, but be more happy for the heroic one lol
i just got it last night, havent used it yet
i like jes' and the anchor
green sky
did I miss something? is that trinket actually worth using now?
steel mauve
Depends on ilvl and what you have
ember crest
i like my mythic zek tentacle rape trinket
prisma crane
4m crits, oof
steel mauve
The answer usually is not really, unless you just have shit trinkets, i would probably still use blockades and howler over it unless the myhrax trinket was like 380 or so
prisma crane
you wouldnt use that trinket for surv though
just like you wouldnt use blockades for dmg
technically blockades is amazing for surv, but if you find you dont need the additional heals, it's a wasted slot
steel mauve
The heals arent even that great, its the stam on it that makes it good to use
daring marlin
The healsa re just the icing on the cake
prisma crane
i guess, i just dont find myself missing the stam once i swapped to fathoms
but then again, i havent done much that really pushes the limit this tier
only a bit of mythic, and a few 10+ keys
steel mauve
Ive been considering fathoms, im wanting to try to switch over to dps trinkets
prisma crane
i'm just used to going dps with trinkets
most trinkets are fairly shit anyways so i'd rather get what i can out of my output
that said, ofc stuff like blockades has its place
neat harbor
"physical ranged attacks are now blockable"
may I just say for one
ABOUT fucking time.
you could dodge them since what, vanilla?!
at least we are getting something.
not blown away by anything yet sadly but hey
prisma crane
on the bright side, a lot of the mobs that do that dont even always target the tank anyways...
neat harbor
I guess its better than nothing (?)
neat harbor
🤞 😬
merry cave
It's actually quite strong buff
sick sentinel
Hey has anyone done Heroic Ghuun this week
cause my raid right now is having a problem with orbs 1st phase
its not registering
merry cave
Just gotta hope they adjust for the big dc nerf
neat harbor
exactly, Im not convinced yet
stuck oxide
PROG ON mythic GHUUUN
ember crest
gl
stuck oxide
im kind of proud that only sense and lala killed it in US
final mist
Working on it, lads.
marsh beacon
Did someone say they’re nerfing deafening crash in 8.1? If yes, source?
final mist
Datamining / PTR.
marsh beacon
😢 I understand the rational, but that’s disappointing. DC is a legitimately fun trait, and the system would be better if there were more traits of its caliber
stuck oxide
it will still be very good tbh
you will still need this trait on one piece of gear minimum
but you will not feel like sh!t if you dont have that trait
marsh beacon
Yeah, exactly. Right now I’m wearing a 340 DC item instead of a 370 item in my bag, which goes against their overarching design philosophy.
Ultimately, this nerf is necessary because of the limitations/bad design of the azerite trait system. It makes senses, and it’s not unexpected, but it still sucks
Rip the prot warrior dps meme dream
merry cave
DC holds back there gearing for children mindset
In a sense it holds back war balance buffs too, as long as they adjust for it and not leave it
steep river
marsh beacon
It will last for less time, so you will do less sustained AoE damage
plucky rapids
DC will only add up to 6 seconds extra i believe
merry cave
Id be more concerned about the m+ DR nerf side of it rather than the dps nerf
marsh beacon
Can’t take damage if everything’s already dead (kappa, I appreciate your valid concern)
neat harbor
@marsh beacon "Ultimately, this nerf is necessary because of the limitations/bad design of the azerite trait system." Precisely, but IMO the issue with the azerite system is that there's too many shitty traits. Like there's spec traits that aren't even situational, they're just complete and utter dogshit, no reason to take them ever. That's the personification of bad design, and having half the traits be unviable is doing way more to limit gearing options than having a single outlier like Deafening crash ever did (imho)
empty nacelle
arms has to be one of the few specs that has interesting traits
that have gameplay impact (specifically Executioner's precision and Test of Might)
neat harbor
It's as if blizzard doesn't have access to any sims themselves. "Beta for Azerite", indeed: How can they get the actual # tuning for all the traits so horribly wrong? Some of them would be viable, with nothing more than tweaks to the numbers. I stand by my original statement, that they didn't have time to properly test it all before release.
steel mauve
To point it out prot war doesnt even have a working/accurate sim module to even have...
digital arrow
do u guys ever get stuck with 4 stacks from zul p2 and still live lol
friggin cleaver add kept comin out before transition so co tank had to handle her off to the side while i got 3+ stacks every time
prisma crane
leap and bop it off
otherwise stay in once they taunt off you, spam that IP, use SR first, then shield wall while you go out
prisma crane
if you don't have a BoP, save leap for getting back once it's dropped
walking through that pool while you're already weak is ass
or intervene if a range/healer is nearby
merry cave
Do many raids not have any pally at all? Seems crazy
thorn yarrow
we always transition with Cleaver still up an normally 1 or both hexers
its never clean for us but u manage even if ya got just 1 paladin
steel mauve
We just push as fast as possible and just deal with cleaver
thorn yarrow
I mean I take zul first regardless since Warrior
steel mauve
As soon as the cleaver spawns we nuke it and cleave onto boss still pushing
thorn yarrow
an our BDK has zero movement we just grip him back in
steel mauve
Usually we push wkth cleaver, beats getting another set of adds too since we dont kill the first spawn of hexars
steel mauve
Ya we just cc the first double hexar spawn and keep it cc'ed the entire fight amd push before the second spawn
merry cave
Isn't that pretty much everyones Strat now lol
cinder nova
Should I be autismo spamming IP on M Vectis?
Because I just did that and the smoothing was fucking YEARS different.
digital arrow
we do have a pally, gonna try asking for BoP and leaping
i just hope i'm within range when im at the edge
raven kernel
Tell the pally to follow you out
lusty grotto
forgot about the pool
median wigeon
Anyone fill me in on tanking vect ? I see some logs where war is taking all adds and boss is being taunted back and forth on CD but others it's like ppl are just winging it
Mythic btw
cinder nova
Honestly
I just went full defensive
And I kept up IP as much as I could for the dot
And it smoothed out my damage signifcantly, but fucked my DPS
chrome harbor
SR for when the cotank taunts and you hav ethe dot
cinder nova
^
I try to save my SR for when contagion and the second stack applies
So that I'm helping curve burst and it still is helping reduce a lot of the dot damage at its peak
cinder nova
It's okay
Probably wasn't even 95th percentile
last I checked that's ~13.7K iirc
Still trying to get mine
💤
pallid axle
im still trying to kill zek... guild is meh. monk co tank with 378ilvl who "cant" take full combo x'D
zinc creek
why though lol
ember arrow
Are you sure that hes a living human being?
crimson sentinel
neat harbor
@cinder nova apparently 12.2k DPS is about 30th in the world
...on normal
which is what it was 😄
cinder nova
Oh, I was talking Mythic
12K on normal is ez
I was top 10 worls H zek prot parse for a hot minute
That faded quick tho
topaz ember
fill the raid up with blood dks and have them keep gripping the adds in one spot while not attacking them and you just aoe for max cheeze
ember arrow
Why do you need more than one gg
neat harbor
yeah my guild would never let me tank in mythic lul
hopefully this patch wil change some of that...
gonna have to be better than what Ive seen so far though
I dont see 30th in the world as being easy by any means though
even if it is an underplayed class/irrelevant difficulty 🙃
pallid axle
yeah i know can take that zekvoz combo with easy, she's just bad probably tanking cause she bang the raidlead and is playing monk lel
*monk can
neat harbor
lmao
bang the raid lead, become mythic tank
seems like pretty natural progression path to me.
pallid axle
yeah since he's allowed to raid her shes allowed to raid mythic ... ty
pallid axle
yeah but thats on me i decided to leave hardcore raiding behind and settle with casual progress .... but a 4hours/week raiding guild and doing mythic doesnt seem that bad aye could be worse xD
wary burrow
hi my fellow warrior collegues. i am risen by my guild to tank zul the crusher on mythic. in normally play arms or fury, and tanked last time in MoP. Do you have any advises for me?
pallid axle
face crusher away, cleave can be blocked , rest is up to ur guild i guess.
wary burrow
okay, is there anything about trinkets i have to do, cause i only have darkmoon card, and rest are high ilvl uldir dd trinkets :/
also i think i should reforge my azerite gear
pallid axle
darkmoon does just fine, might try to get Rezans trinket from atalr dazar and that how trinket from toldagor
but the tol dagor thing feels more like an offensive tool though
*howl trinket
ember arrow
Versa is dr too
wary burrow
args, then in need to get a group for it before raid, and hope, that it will drop ^^. i read about azerite gear, high ilvl is not always the best, the traits are worth more?
i got g'huun tentacle 😮 this should do it?
wary burrow
okay, i think i saw it it some of my gear ^^