I'd be shouting at my cotank if I got to 4 stacks
#protection
scenic dune
uneven mason
cause his ass got gibbed by 3
oblique garnet
4 stacks all the way
uneven mason
Its easier to let one tank take 4, other take 3, use externals on the tank with 4
dusk locust
he isn't very good then, my bdk cotank took like 6 once
uneven mason
and then give the healers 7 seconds of breathing room as the first tank does not need to be healed at all
scenic dune
though, I'm a month behind the gear curve, so I'm a tad undergeared
uneven mason
talking HC not LFR Kauda
oblique garnet
Lfr 11 stacks
primal crypt
I had a hard time with hc ghuun last week for the first time
oblique garnet
Is where you die
primal crypt
Healers were weak as af
dusk locust
yes heroic
torn sun
My bdk went to 5 or 6 as well, when I died and he had to finish the fight alone
primal crypt
Call for externals....they had already blown them randomly
sick sentinel
I took 4 stacks on a 65k wipe on Zul hc and my Hpally was literally screaming heals at me spamming. Good times.
oblique garnet
How many stacks are you taunting ghuun
earnest zinc
5 to 6 is farfetched for BDK
oblique garnet
And also are you using SR?
earnest zinc
on Zul
digital arrow
marky how do u even survive the walk to the edge with four stacks lol yikes
dusk locust
it was probably b/c he had externals rolling
digital arrow
ahh right
earnest zinc
That was probably it
scenic dune
I either get externals or I still have my actives up
dusk locust
but he 100% had 6 and survived
earnest zinc
Along with a big CD
oblique garnet
You wait till the last possible moment before leaving the stack where your team is and leap to drop them
So 4 stacks isnt an issue
Youre leaving either too early or your healers arent strong enough
scenic dune
probs both in my experience
uneven mason
I stay in until 2 seconds left to keep IPs rolling/standing in healing circles then leap out, I'll use rally + LS + cookie to top myself off as I come back in and take Zul again, Then the 2nd cycle I'll call for either Guardian Spirit or BoP
dusk locust
does the blood drop when spirit pops
dusk locust
we always have a crusher
uneven mason
The goal is to enter without the crusher
However
if you delay long enough to kill the crusher
your going to hit your next set of hexers
and wipe
scenic dune
my big problem with p2 is the crusher, if the DPS isn't enough, he'll thrumming pulse right around the two stack mark
dusk locust
yeah that's really the issue
i'm always shy to have the raid hard switch to that crusher
uneven mason
If you push after getting the crusher, kill the 2nd set of hexers, and CC the 3rd
dusk locust
b/c we'll miss the bloodhexer check
uneven mason
you're going tp wipe due to the DOT being at 15 stacks
Longer Phase 1 lasts
harder Phase 2 is
dusk locust
when you say set of hexers what do you mean? is the first hexer that's alive on pull the first set?
scenic dune
so I have the problem where me or my cotank are having to run out for pulse right when they're meant to swap and it gets messy af
the first one usually gets cleaved down
there are two groups that should spawn during P1
uneven mason
No the first sets of adds are inconsequential
they should explode
since everyone has CDs rolling
torn sun
Last time we crossed with the second crusher just spawning.. So we raped him
scenic dune
the dps's goal is to force zul into p2 before the third set of hexers spawn
uneven mason
Yeah generally we go between missing the crusher by 5s or getting him on transistion
so once the tank has him we lust and everyone blows CDs (since they shoudl save their 2nd set for lust)
dusk locust
oh i thought you are trying to avoid the second pair spawning
uneven mason
he dies in like 5seconds
scenic dune
yeah I'm gonna have to talk to my RL then, I don'
sick sentinel
Third set of hexers? Damn, we're behind as dps then..
Do you cc them all except the first?
scenic dune
t think my raid is hardswitching to the crusher once we hit p2
dusk locust
ok hold on
uneven mason
if you're hitting the 3rd
dusk locust
on pull, there's 1 bloodhexer
dusk locust
later, 2 bloodhexer spawn, you cc those
dusk locust
and you want to push p2 until the next pair of hexers spawn
so you see a total of 3 hexers
sick sentinel
Yeah oI wrote except the first, didn't count that as a set
dusk locust
is that on mythic
dusk locust
we never see 5 on hc
uneven mason
rather you want to CC that set
dusk locust
even when it was prog
sick sentinel
Damn, we're waaaaaaaay behind as dps then.
uneven mason
You probably missed them spawning then
sick sentinel
Thanks
dusk locust
no
uneven mason
because if you're not seeing the 2nd set
dusk locust
the strat is everyone goes single target and burns zul
we always beat the second pair
uneven mason
that means you're doing over 24,000DPS a person
during progression
which I call 🐮 💩
light oasis
Lusting on pull I assume
dusk locust
yeah lust on pull
uneven mason
even then
you're not doing more DPS than 90% of mythic raiders
during progression
torn sun
we lust on pull as well, and we always kill all 5 hexers
dusk locust
what
scenic dune
yeah you're just missing the second set lul
dusk locust
no we always wipe if the 2nd set spawns. we have 2 cc'd hexers
and only ever kill the first one on pull
always been that way
scenic dune
yeah bullshit mate
torn sun
do you have logs?
scenic dune
yeah you're describing a truly disgusting amount of damage lul
digital arrow
lul
zinc mauve
scenic dune
fucking panic
scenic dune
two groups of hexers
torn sun
nah we kill 1, and after it is down, we bring the second one
and stun the casts of the blood
dusk locust
so in that kill there are 2 groups (3 total instances) of hexers
and it always looks like that for us
torn sun
ok Kauda I see bullshit right there
I mean, you have a shaman second on dps
What kind of world have we entered
sick sentinel
We're stil progressing on it and having kinda a hard time on smooth transitions and stuff, not a hardcore guild.
dusk locust
he's a good player /shrug
plus i was yelling at people to go ST spec only and he probably has residual cleave or something
torn sun
yeah that is what we mean kauda
sick sentinel
Our elemental is first on dps. He's a great shaman tho
torn sun
2 groups of hexers
torn sun
1 on pull, 2 spawn, 2 spawn
dusk locust
no
1 on pull 2 spawn
then p2 happens
a second set of 2 never spawns
i was under the impression everyone did it that way
you basically ignore adds and dump everything into zul
except for the 2nd crusher
dusk locust
i linked our prog kill
uneven mason
for a 20man raid you're talking
limber wigeon
@dusk locust that was our plan on heroic progression as well. I'll back you up that it works.
oblique garnet
Yup you basically pop bl in p1 to do that
oblique garnet
Thats how we have been doing it
uneven mason
I see what happened lol, thats some stars alinging
So the CD for his call of blood came up
he decided to cast another shadow volly
dusk locust
oh i thought you meant the hexer
uneven mason
Call of blood is what he casts when he summons the adds
dusk locust
we always beat the timer for the second hexers by a few seconds but we do it
uneven mason
the AI had a choice - summon the 2nd set of hexers (at 1:49) or cast a shadowbolt
he cast the shadowbolt
and then you transisioned him as that was casting
So stars alinged
dusk locust
or we were just slightly short on dps and got a bit lucky, but this is exactly what i thought was common practice
since day 1
uneven mason
But CCing the first wave
was a good idea
I had suggested that a few times
but it was always shot down
dusk locust
some groups who are too short on dps to beat the 4th and 5th bloodhexer will have a dk grip them around
and they cc all 4
dusk locust
but we just push to beat that spawn
torn sun
we kill the first spawned hexers
and if the second ones come up (close to transition) we cc them
but I guess we should try it your way
dusk locust
i might ultimately do that on mythic. haven't studied it really yet
we're working on fetid atm
zealous gull
We got our first kill CC´ing and ignoring first spawn of hexers on HC as well, almost everyone goes single target and cleave down the initial adds, then CC and ignore, at ~45% we ignore Zul, nuke last crusher, and then transition Zul
azure perch
We just killed Zul this sunday, got a kill vid if you'd like. Mythic that is.
dusk locust
the way i understand it mythic plays out exactly like hc does but someone is playing with that debuff
and you have to trade soaking the pool
azure perch
Correct
dusk locust
we have 3 rogues that are going to go sub
torn sun
I would like to try mythic .. but we are a social guild and our core raiding team does not have 20 ppl 😦
dusk locust
hardest part about mythic is the roster
digital arrow
same here ritchie lol
not sure what i'll do once heroic is over and it looks like we might beat g'huun very soon
tropic star
just gotta bring like 6 warriros
scenic dune
warriors, DH and monks are all excellent at running orbs
torn sun
Actually that is where I found the use for Void elf racial 😄
scenic dune
oh yeah that's a thing
torn sun
I fucked up a few times
sick sentinel
I play in a social guild, tried zul for about 40 minutes last week but killed mythic Taloc yesterday. Definetly not for mytchi only guilds
torn sun
Portal, jump, charge and was not fast enough for the second charge
scenic dune
well he is the first boss
torn sun
So the last bit of I used the void elf racial for
sick sentinel
Exactly, don't be afraid of the first bosses.
torn sun
Since you can port in root
digital arrow
ritchie is your entire group standing in the blood cleansing puddle? our add is always summoned at full strength and its been a lot of damage tanking add while taking g'huun stacks
torn sun
no
scenic dune
first one I usually do tanks and healers
sick sentinel
I usually Portal, leap, charge, charge on the last blood thingy. If the portal is placed well you can always do it on the left side
torn sun
the first puddle we send only tanks, runners and ppl with more than 4 stacks
scenic dune
second blood feast we do all as it'll die to reorigination ray
digital arrow
i see
oblique garnet
@dusk locust youre not running orbs in p1?
scenic dune
ye
torn sun
We actually used to cleanse everyone in the first puddle as well
But the kick the add does, fucked up our healers too much
scenic dune
I let others run the orbs, I'm just a bad DPS in p1
dusk locust
i'm not but tbh i probably should
instead we're taunt swapping the young on explosive
sick sentinel
Same, always do the first one on the left with portal
scenic dune
can you SR the explosive corruption in P1?
torn sun
yeah usually our beam does too
scenic dune
sweet, didn't know if it was just a p2 thing, but I guess ghuun does cast it
torn sun
But last time something happened and the add actually burrowed before the beam came
torn sun
Nah he comes up in another place almost immediately
scenic dune
oh so no big issue
torn sun
No no
I just had to move a bit to interrupt the next cast
and then the beam came
You know, gods started to bless us
But their love does not need to hurt as much as it does tho
scenic dune
yeah my group is largely inexperienced with ghuun so the worm generally moves at least once
torn sun
yeah if your runners learn to not make mistakes
scenic dune
then it's fast as fuck
torn sun
the beam should come pretty soon
uneven mason
If you're orb dunkers do it perfect the beam goes off as the worm spawns/bit befor on HC
Like, I spend Phase 1 dragging the fat boy around
torn sun
I fucked up a few times and then realized it is not because of a wrong route, but because I was too slow on my spells
scenic dune
yeah there'll be some unfortunate sod who just misses the hoop
torn sun
We always have backups for the person who is supposed to solo it
uneven mason
yup
torn sun
that wait up there in case he fucks up
scenic dune
same, but they're not right next to them when that happens haha
I'm awful at it
I should practice on lfr/normal or something
torn sun
check youtube, I learned it from there .. you take a portal, then your jump goes a bit behind the furthest on blob on the right, then charge to the last blob on the right and charge to the last blob on the left next to the matrix
sick sentinel
G'Huun - How to Solo Orb as a Warrior
37 second video.
scenic dune
yeah for some reason I never get to the first charge point, im sure i'm just doing something wrong
torn sun
you just have to be fast, you have 5 seconds to do all this 😄
sick sentinel
Literally the first video
scenic dune
yeah I know the video
sick sentinel
Oh ok sorry
scenic dune
don't apologize
torn sun
Tbh I just .. learned that the orb roots you
not the shit on the ground
after like 3 runs
digital arrow
we're taunting dark young as soon as the other tank has explosive on him and dark young sorta ping pongs a bit.. is there a pattern that u guys know of?
sick sentinel
The first time i did it I found out you can be rooted mid-charged.
I didn't even know that was possible.
but apparently that root doesn't give a damn and roots you regardless of what you're doing
torn sun
Yeah you learn a lot of stuff there 😄
we were pugging a few ppl
and were asking for people who can solo it .. a rogue asked for an invite and I am still not sure how he did it
but whatever 😄
I guess the harpoon and some other stuff
sick sentinel
Harpoon, Shadow strike(?) shadowstep, sprint? Just guessing
torn sun
But ww monks have it the easiest
sick sentinel
Lots of teleports
torn sun
that tiger kick or whatever is called takes you through like half of the way
scenic dune
I dont taunt p1, generally you're on the edges of the room anyway
sick sentinel
We only have 1 monk so we have to manage with what we have a social guild. Double mages with double blinks, 1 warlock gate and hunter disengages. I know, not ideal but that's what we have.
scenic dune
I do if we're parsing, we'll taunt on dark bargain to be easier on healers, but that's about it
torn sun
we always pug to have at least two warlocks 😄
scenic dune
s a m e
torn sun
oh wowprogress counted our ghuun kill, nice
yay we are 10th on our low populated server 😄
ok 13th 😦
sick sentinel
We're 41 with 5/8 hc and 1/8 mythic. Weird.
scenic dune
inb4 there's only 41 guilds on your server
oblique garnet
as a warrior soloing the orb you leap jump charge charge
you gotta jump otherwise you wont make it
neat lagoon
Gomer - Skullcrusher (if it helps to search me), my helm has Fortress > shoulders have Bloodrite since my haste is low (I can also take Fortress again in shoulders) > Chest is deafening crash. My question is should I keep the Bloodrite for the haste buff since I already have a Fortress trait or should I get rid of the Bloodrite and go double Fortress with Crash as my other trait
sick sentinel
There's a lot more than 41, taht Taloc kill just put up way higher than we should be as score.
carmine ibex
oh baby
uneven mason
Jelly
scenic dune
pog
carmine ibex
my first cache that wasn't shit
uneven mason
May we all receive RNGesus blessing
neat lagoon
can anyone reply?
uneven mason
Can't win em all
scenic dune
back in legion I got rings in my cache 17 weeks in a row
lusty grotto
got one last week, gz @carmine ibex
uneven mason
@neat lagoon Wear the highest ilvl combination possible while maintaining DC
uneven mason
BFI and IF are your top 2 traits after DC
neat lagoon
they are all the same 370
sick sentinel
I haven't dropped a single 340+ purple shield the whole expansion, had to buy a 350 from the AH.
neat lagoon
Strength in Numbers stacks?
scenic dune
tfw you buy gear off the AH just so you have enough haste for the array buff
sick sentinel
I'm trying, haven't got much time after the raid launch cause of work stuff but haven't dropped anything in the last 5-6 M+, caches are all about wrists and waists. The only joy i got was a Jow's howler 360.
torn sun
but it was one of the worst atal'dazars I ever went .. warlock in the group asked if I am going to die on all of the packs
uneven mason
Strength in numbers should stack
sick sentinel
You guys use 1 array within ulduar or more?
torn sun
I checked the discipline priests healing, no shadow mend .. so I answered that I will 😄
neat lagoon
how big of a waste is Overwhelming Power trait? seems itll just wear off in a second if youre tanking
scenic dune
a waste, yeah
uneven mason
its not intended for tanks
that whole "fades when you take damage" should be a big hint
uneven mason
otherwise it would be the best trait
dusk locust
oh and here's a funny pic for whoever was surprised to see shamans doing dmg https://i.gyazo.com/f41eda80ed56f687bcb38ba061967413.png
one of these things is not like the other
(that's my wheelchair group)
uneven mason
Warrior tank, RDruid healer, double shaman DPS
man, you guys were bringing all the Wheelchairs to the park
dusk locust
i no rite
scenic dune
galecaller's beak@355 dmc blockades@355 or lion's strength@370? which two should I be taking, currently using the beak and dmc because lion's strength gives crit on use and it fucks with my array buff
scenic dune
dem revenge procs lul
uneven mason
parry haste LEZGOBOYS
cloud wind
been leveling my priest in dungeons and almost no warriors use ignore pain, or maybe use it 1x per pull and sit at 80 rage. how HOW its like a lvl 10 ability. rant over
scenic dune
but I enjoy having 43% haste in uldir
uneven mason
I wish I could get it swapped to haste
but
Thus far, haste gear has been eluding me
so I take what I can get
So far what i can get is
a lot of mastery and crit
so I do a fuckton of damage
uneven mason
literally
fossil basalt
Any changes comingp
vocal nimbus
still no information
fossil basalt
Rotation kills the passion to play prot
cloud wind
i actually havent tried prot since getting good gear, still got a 340 shield tho
trying to get a pvp shield to drop and use the ilvl 370 token on it
fossil basalt
Remove ignore pain useless skill
frosty wedge
...
scenic dune
you're wrong but ok
frosty wedge
IP is great when it's tuned properly
fossil basalt
Remove sb cooldown as for compansatr
frosty wedge
it's how we smooth damage intake
scenic dune
even in legion it wasn't great, it still doesn't last long enough
fossil basalt
Legion prot was fun even though not popular
scenic dune
tbh the community feedback thread says much of my thoughts on what can be done to the spec
frosty wedge
at the beginning of legion IP was OP as hell
fossil basalt
Bfa prot is damn boring
frosty wedge
I don't find prot boring, just not rewarding
uneven mason
Actually needing to pay attention to stay alive = boring mmmk
scenic dune
yeah at the beginning of legion lul, they nipped that in the bud real quick
fossil basalt
I cancelled my sun until get positve change
uneven mason
K
fossil basalt
Sub
frosty wedge
I just leveled 4 other tanks, lol
scenic dune
prot is the most punishing tank spec, it's not bad, but bad play compared to the other specs is much more noticeable
uneven mason
I finally got told why I was benched as tank ><
scenic dune
and it's been that way for a while now
uneven mason
they had been harping on the "Prot is weak" line
fossil basalt
Too much unblocable mech sad
uneven mason
Nope "My aggressive raiding style shows through too much, and its a concern for the other players"
scenic dune
"we got an arms warrior and dont need the raid buff from anymore"
fossil basalt
Hha
uneven mason
dragging explosive into the stack
fossil basalt
I dont mind number
uneven mason
I'll be LIKE YOU FLIPPER HANDED CHIPMONK, STOP WASTING MY TIME
scenic dune
same dude
fossil basalt
Rotation is hard to keep up
scenic dune
dont think of it as a rotation
fossil basalt
I am not pro player
fossil basalt
Average for me smooth rotation needed
scenic dune
I dont even have AOTC yet (though probs will in 12 hours)
median wigeon
Hey prot fam, does anyone know if impassive visage stacks ?
median wigeon
ooo nice, i have it for all 3 pieces at the moment
scenic dune
well I think your healers will really hate you as well
uneven mason
"I'm bad at Prot, so I think prot sucks, I QUIT!" K...
scenic dune
yeah gotta have IP, it isn't as great as it was before, but it still does a lot of work
loud axle
All prot warrs must do that, cause the spec is bad
uneven mason
IP is exactly as great as it was before
loud axle
Prot warrior is worst, unfortunately
frosty wedge
it smooths as well as it did but it doesn't absorb enough
uneven mason
because Mathematically Protection warriors are perfect.
queen owl
if your IP says tooltip 35k damage, you have to remember, basicaly double that. It's helping mitigate the next 70k damage, splitting it in half
uneven mason
It absorbs the same volume of damage compared to our total HP pool as it did in Legion Mike
scenic dune
that's true
frosty wedge
the spec doesn't suck, it's just harder toplay than other tanks
uneven mason
That isn't quite how math works ssateneth
fossil basalt
30k ip buff wears off quick very quik
loud axle
It's not played in both the raid and M+
uneven mason
IP when it matters will be fully absorbed
scenic dune
would you say that it's shifted more healer responsibility?
uneven mason
I play it in the raid and M+
real monolith
prot warrior is good if you can be proactive about everything, but the average player isn't gonna play perfectly, so everyone says it sucks
queen owl
well part of the skill cap is knowing when to IP like for a big hit
uneven mason
I mean
frosty wedge
dude, lots of poeple are playing warriors in raid and m+ - we're not the IDEAL CHOICE, but we're viable
real monolith
you can't play reactively like DK or pally
loud axle
average
Not even method plays prot
uneven mason
you can harp on Warriors all you want
real monolith
?
queen owl
method is an average guild?
loud axle
I'd like prot to be viable
real monolith
method always runs x2 the best tank
frosty wedge
method is cutting edge... so they play the meta
uneven mason
dual BrM
real monolith
also
frosty wedge
why the hell would top tier guilds NOT bring the best possible choice?
uneven mason
because BrM have out of control EHP
uneven mason
Per cast
real monolith
mythic desolate host
junior igloo
Why would any guild not bring the best choice?
loud axle
Exactly
uneven mason
IP absorbs the same volume of damage
daring marlin
FRIENDS
loud axle
That's what I wanted to say
uneven mason
I mean
daring marlin
WHAT DID YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT BOX YIELD?!
frosty wedge
just because top tier guilds are playig the meta doesn't mean warriors aren't viable
loud axle
@daring marlin Tf
loud axle
@frosty wedge It does
scenic dune
a crit/verse ring reee
uneven mason
Sense is exceptional granted
real monolith
there's a difference between viability and competetiveness
fossil basalt
Prot is not fun
real monolith
my guild played VDH+prot warrior in tomb of sargeras
uneven mason
Sense is also granted the exceptional situation of having a guild willing to give them the slot
fossil basalt
That is prob
real monolith
the 2 worst tanks
loud axle
Prot is fun, but it's bad
uneven mason
which thanks to the SCOolaid
frosty wedge
no it doens't - if your'e going by what methods does and only that - then BDK isn't viable either?!?!
uneven mason
most guilds won't let Prot warriors tank
scenic dune
prot is absolutely fun LUL
uneven mason
not because we're bad
but because they're under informed
This all stems from the community perception that we're weak
real monolith
^
uneven mason
Which is wrong
scenic dune
not to mention that if a prot warrior slips up, then the healers get a wee surprise
uneven mason
We're not weak
real monolith
that's it, honestly a great prot warrior is great
uneven mason
but our skill floor is above the skill ceiling for bDK and BrM
queen owl
@uneven mason if are are godmode with prot war, your guild will argue "well if you're so good with prot warrior, you'll be even better playing the meta"
real monolith
but you can't be shit and pass through each boss
uneven mason
They actually did Ssateneth
real monolith
like dk or brm
frosty wedge
even if you watch the videos of tank ratings they say prt is bottom, but they're all close.
uneven mason
But I don't have them leveled on my new server
thus
I am benched
Even though all of our HC Kill logs
shows me requiring less EHRPS and having lower DTPS than the other tanks in my guild
real monolith
our guild runs prot warrior brm monk and it's' honestly fine, on mythic vectis now
uneven mason
and beating the paladin in HPS on some fights
because professional use of IP
and AP procs
fossil basalt
Lol
real monolith
but with how good disc/mw monks are tank healing isn't really an issue ever
scenic dune
we mitigate a huge amount of damage ye
fossil basalt
Dont be so self delusional
real monolith
just have a monk sit on you, ezpz
queen owl
also why is nthe chat so spammy today? so many pplz
wet tangle
Yeah with my pocket monk I do fine tanking
fossil basalt
Prot is bad
uneven mason
I've actually found disc to be the worst healer for my M+ runs
scenic dune
no you are
fossil basalt
That is reality
real monolith
monks are that good good
primal crypt
Paladins
scenic dune
prot can absolutely need some love, but they're not bad, it wouldn't take much for prot to be the best
real monolith
the only thing ill admit is bad about warriors is their mastery, as well as how punishing the class is to new players
primal crypt
I love paladins
daring marlin
Monks, Druiids and HPriests are the highest raw HPS healers so I can see why you say that.
uneven mason
We need the skill floor lowered
real monolith
if prot gets a new or better mastery, easy viability
uneven mason
sadly that means we're going to lose somewhat of what makes Prot warriors
rather, GOOD prot warriors shine
I hope they keep that
primal crypt
They wont
uneven mason
and reward exceptional gameplay
real monolith
crit block flat out s u c k s
uneven mason
while bringing the baseline up
queen owl
so how do i be a good prot warrior?
uneven mason
crit block is amazing
real monolith
"oh you're gonna take less damage on an attack you're already mitagating"
uneven mason
the fact that its RNG sucks
primal crypt
Itll become shield block if you want more mitigation
fossil basalt
Block is not usefull anymore
daring marlin
this elfmn guy must be a troll
uneven mason
SSateneth learn the fights by rote
daring marlin
lol
fossil basalt
Old school out dated
uneven mason
Elfmn is blocked
fossil basalt
Mitigation way
uneven mason
because he's a full on DERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
daring marlin
Just spouting absolute nonsense lol
scenic dune
you know BFA has the most melee based attacks right now?
frosty wedge
^^
queen owl
whenever i tank, i get lots of positivity sent my way
real monolith
yeah bfa has more focus on white hits than any other expansion post BC
fossil basalt
Why prot so weak then
queen owl
"man, i baerely have to heal you, what are you doing?"
i dunno
im playing prot warrior
uneven mason
But yeah, point for point we're matched exactly with paladins
digital arrow
guys i like bfa a lot and im glad prot war is bringing back the high skill cap at tanking like the old days
real monolith
prot is weak cause people are bad at it
frosty wedge
^^
real monolith
that's really the end of it all
you cant half ass play a prot warrior, it's like begining of legion disc priests
scenic dune
yeah the mistweaver I play with tells me that he either isn't healing me, or is cocooning me because I got greedy and SB'd whilst not being MT
real monolith
they're amazing, if you're good
frosty wedge
we're "weak" because we're harder to play optimally
fossil basalt
So prot warrior players is bad that why prot bad hha
scenic dune
yup, you got it
frosty wedge
^
real monolith
its like DH in legion, not trash but if you dont pump out a ton of dps y ou lose self healing
primal crypt
Poor play even
real monolith
and most DH were trash so people thought they were unusable garbage
primal crypt
I tried playing my warrior drunk
scenic dune
the skill floor can be raised to stop that, but it's hard to do that without lowering the ceiling
queen owl
i maximize thunder clap usage during demo/avatar, i spend as much rage as I can on ignore pain without overcapping on the buff, SB on cooldown, fill SB downtime with bolstered last stand, maximize rage gains, and if im really capped out on rage, i find a way to spend it for anger management
primal crypt
Died soooo much
queen owl
like... is that hard to do?
queen owl
and if you are doing big damage on m+, you get KB's, so you can victory rush
digital arrow
huh
frosty wedge
yeah, we do a fuck ton of damage
scenic dune
big domag, no heals needed, screaming at your enemies and massive cock
primal crypt
Soooo much dmg
fossil basalt
Lol no way hha
digital arrow
but we are lowest single target dps arent we
primal crypt
Massive cock
real monolith
2nd lowest cause bear xd
uneven mason
Boss damage to 2 tanks, notice the bars, and notice the active %
fossil basalt
Why this discord guys so delusional hha
digital arrow
^
real monolith
what's your prog elfmn
frosty wedge
elf you are just... so fucking uninformed
real monolith
im sure all of us are balls deep in mythic rn
primal crypt
Elfmn is a troll
real monolith
right
primal crypt
Hes legit trolling
fossil basalt
I am stopped to play
digital arrow
we got a troll in here? i am going to flip this table!
real monolith
xd
scenic dune
im sure he is, but I like having these arguments because the anger fuels me
real monolith
right
queen owl
:PJSalt:
real monolith
need to speec into anger management irl rn
digital arrow
^
fossil basalt
Prot is boring punishing not rewarding
queen owl
i have so much anger management and haste that my demo shout comes off cd before demo shout debuff is over with
digital arrow
99 rage right now
scenic dune
you're boring, punishing and not rewarding 
real monolith
saying prot is boring in the prot war discord
primal crypt
fossil basalt
Begone hypocrite
queen owl
demo shout for days
primal crypt
Begone troll
bronze lance
Elf if you are going to troll at least try to be funny
scenic dune
im laughing
frosty wedge
or use words properly
primal crypt
Failing and now mad
fossil basalt
Bunch of losers
real monolith
prot is probably one of my favorite spec designs, the better you play, the more cd's you get to mitagate moore damage
primal crypt
LOL
scenic dune
nou
frosty wedge
lol
oblique garnet
elfmn is the type of guy to reroll fotm tanks and still failing to clear even lfr
digital arrow
bad prot player detected
bronze lance
I'm rubber you're glue everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you
primal crypt
HE LEGIT MAD
real monolith
Elfmn needs to spec out of heavy reprecussions
primal crypt
FORGOT TO SHIELD BLOCK
fossil basalt
Prove uself get cutting edge
primal crypt
🤣 🤣 🤣
scenic dune
we love you really, elfmn
wet tangle
Gotta ignore this pain
digital arrow
lol
real monolith
i mean 6 prot warriors have cutting edge so
easy game
mfw more brm monks have ghuun dead than every other tank combined
sick sentinel
Not too bad!
fossil basalt
Get cutting edge so u are so pro good at prot
digital arrow
fuck yeah
scenic dune
prot warrior is the only tank spec that requires a head on your shoulders, that's the end of it
primal crypt
Engrish?
bronze lance
Elf actually blizzard dev working on prot warrior changes and now he is going to make warriors fully dependent on shield block and remove shields from prot warrior
oblique garnet
Well getting cutting edge usually means you are good at the game
fossil basalt
Prove it get cutting edge since prot is godly now
real monolith
wew
primal crypt
......
real monolith
godly was never a word anyone said kid
frosty wedge
yeah I'm done I'm just ignoring this tool
primal crypt
Ok...now its gotten stale
fossil basalt
Okey lets say good enough
primal crypt
Begone
queen owl
need 110 rage
primal crypt
scenic dune
LULW
queen owl
I wish i had +60 rage talent
frosty wedge
so much better 😄
oblique garnet
Now what ?
queen owl
would make rage spending/capping a bit less irritating
queen owl
hes still in the user list unless it dont update
fossil basalt
Lol fake
scenic dune
no u
fossil basalt
Bunch of hypocrites
queen owl
ur fake
real monolith
yeah im on this block train too
real monolith
🛡
primal crypt
Wat
oblique garnet
What part of it is fake?
scenic dune
ah this is funny, I'm going to bed now
primal crypt
Begone thot
frosty wedge
it's funny - he said block wasn't effective anymore
but I feel.... much better now, lol
😄
primal crypt
He came here a little while back i believe
Asking about the spsc and how good it was
frosty wedge
yeah I think I remember that
frosty wedge
realized he ws terrible at it
primal crypt
Found out he cant time shield block
frosty wedge
and got angry
primal crypt
Comes here and tries to poop on the discord because he cant get into a +2
frosty wedge
lol
queen owl
you cant time shield block? wut?
digital arrow
lmao
primal crypt
Like i said
frosty wedge
oh man - so I leveled my pally over the weekend
frosty wedge
I want warrior to feel more like pally - nothing is as satisfying as hitting avenger's shield
primal crypt
Long story short...mad
queen owl
you mean an avatar'd demo shouted thunder clap doesnt feel good?
spamming 22k crits on everything every 2 seconds?
digital arrow
i just spend my last 110 boost on a death knight 😦
frosty wedge
lol oh don't get me wrong, i LOVE my warrior
but go play a pallya nd tell me avenger's shield isn't the best feeling ability ever
lol
digital arrow
is avengers shield like heroic throw?
primal crypt
No
frosty wedge
it's like shield slam that bounces to 4 targets
primal crypt
You throw a gold shield
primal crypt
And sounds amazing
digital arrow
makes u feel like captain america?
queen owl
lol
frosty wedge
lol, it hits 4 targets, slences the first
primal crypt
Swear
digital arrow
its hard to bounce off all the enemies' throats man
frosty wedge
and you can spam it b/c like, everything resets it's timer, lol
digital arrow
cant silence em all
frosty wedge
ooh lunch time! headed home to open my m+ chests, lol
frosty wedge
yeah same yamo, I have 5 leveled so far, no DH yet
dense lichen
it seems that in bfa demoralizing shout no apply to all damages deal to enemies, not only the prot, accorling to the tooltip and the debuff on the target spellings. Did it works on boss raid too? did it reduce a lot of damage on the raid? ( many damages taken i ve seen on wow logs on uldir boss are classified as "environment" damages. Can someone enlighten me ? (sry for my bad english )
oblique garnet
You like avengers shield? but what about when it just goes off and pulls half of the instance?
sand egret
bear is great! bear thrash
dense lichen
because, -20 % is pretty huge ^^
oblique garnet
Yes demo works on all the bosses
sand egret
Spicey Boi > all
digital arrow
lol
primal crypt
Animation wise
digital arrow
highmountain are canadian taurens, @old night 😂
frosty wedge
LOL
earnest zinc
I got something very important to say
sand egret
that Hulk bear has legit animations they actually don't use?
primal crypt
Shield cuts through your shoulders
earnest zinc
A turtle made it to the water!
digital arrow
damn i lost the list that film's gf made of all the different races
primal crypt
Cant stand it
deft hinge
upright orcs are humans in shitty cosplay
sand egret
prot uses a lot of motion in the bottom part of the spine
shield slam/ revenge
blocking anims
dense lichen
do u know if demoralizing shout reduce a lot of "total" boss damages on the raid? or mostly the one casted on tank? is the rest like aoe , debuff and stuff are "environment damages" not reduced by our shout ?
sand egret
tbh 90% of the feel of SS is the SFX
uneven mason
No its only damage delt to you @dense lichen
sand egret
shoutout to the audio team
primal crypt
@sand egret mhmm
sand egret
guys never get enough credit
primal crypt
@uneven mason arent you doing 15s or something right now
steel mauve
Its dmg dealt to you from boss specifically casted abilities
primal crypt
What comp you running
sand egret
it's damage from that source
steel mauve
If the boss doesnt cast the ability but it just happens then demo shout does not reduce that dmg
digital arrow
shield slam sounds like a pan hitting against something lol
dense lichen
@uneven mason thx for answer, but have u noticed the tooltip changed and it didn t say "deal to u" anymore, as on enemies the debuff say " Demoralized, dealing 20% less damage". On wowhead the tooltip is outdated
lean galleon
@dense lichen That's only if you have the morale killer talent
sand egret
@dense lichen if you're looking at WoWhead tooltips make sure its not hte PvP talent one
old night
@digital arrow yes, my girlfriends best description of highmountain lives on
this is good
also her use of Spicy Boi
digital arrow
hahah i was dyin
old night
I'm glad to see it catching on
sand egret
👍
old night
how is everyone on this beautiful Tuesday
primal crypt
Spicy boi?
lean galleon
I'm sad. My M+ cache gave me garbage.
sand egret
Spicy Boi is the official term for Dark Iron
sick sentinel
what stats are better for tank warrior, hasta>mastery or haste>versa
sand egret
for everyone doing keys this week, I just wish you all don't have to deal with 368 ilvl Arms warriors Intimidating Shout'ing on cooldown in your Motherlode runs. It is not a fun time.
old night
F
primal crypt
Int shout is good tho....
I do it all the time
Great interrupts
Especially in motherlode
Aint nothing like it
oblique garnet
I love it when one of your dpses have laser matrix in ML
sick sentinel
You see, blade kept saying things like "stop fearing them" or "fuck why man" or "Jesus"
digital arrow
lol blade
oblique garnet
And you can just see the laser pop off
digital arrow
need a macro for the usual pubby quote "why fear"
assign it to a button lmao
also the "why kill these" if u arent tanking
digital arrow
lol
sand egret
the biggest thing was, I saw the debuff and was like FUCK I HIT IS!!!?!
dense lichen
@sick sentinel i think mastery is better vs phys, versa help vs magic. So vs boss raid mastery should be better because i rode uldir is especially massive physical damages on tanks.
But in mm+.... things changes...magic wreck u. And shield block is often on CD.
On raid boss u should can activate it on each special boss skill. I think ^^
Same for mm. And mastery boosting heavily ur shield block
sand egret
then i saw it wasnt on cooldown...
digital arrow
ahhh yeah i woulda reacted the same way
sand egret
then it happened 3 more times haha
dense lichen
And mm boss too ^^
sand egret
🤔
digital arrow
the only reason i've ever IS is as a last resort to interrupting a very strong spell and nobody else seems to have a kick up, but it seems obvious that its last resort
sick sentinel
If I use shout it's only to interrupt adds if I see no one doing so but I'll have the damage to break as soon it pops
deft hinge
one of my favorite things about playing fury is being able to use Int Shout without worrying
digital arrow
yeah i spam TC as soon as i shout
sand egret
i mean its not like I never use it but good lord maybe not in the ML....
sick sentinel
Was that a +10?
sand egret
although based on the timing...i think he thought it was his Pummel
sick sentinel
How's m+ so far this week? Mild headache like I assumed?
Just woke up
Which is not normal for me to say the least
sand egret
in general? i like it as for this week it should be a cakewalk compared to last week
sick sentinel
Well healers can heal so there's that lol
slow gull
anything i should know for tanking mythic taloc
dense lichen
dont die in the laser
sick sentinel
Avoid his run to weapon
dense lichen
xD
slow gull
first time i tanked since m0s i have a 345 wep and a 370 shield
digital arrow
if they make u stand in the blood tanking all the volatile bloods then tell the whole raid to stack tightly while the move around to funnel the volatiles
oblique garnet
taloc is like a wet noodle
rocky plank
Archive of titan/DC/Archive or Archive/DC/Archive ?
fk i mean archive/dc/iron fortress
oblique garnet
that one
rocky plank
so only 1 archive?
oblique garnet
Yes personal preference tho
rocky plank
thanks ;D
dense lichen
i think important advice too : flame people who dont soak heart and flame people who dont go away with arteries ^^
main problem of this boss. And...LASERS xD
mossy tiger
Lmao I read underrot explosive is bugged on last boss and is spawning off each orb.... or working as intended
oblique garnet
Ayy they are gonna fix it for eu release as was planned
slow gull
the heart thing si magic
oblique garnet
Use SR on it
slow gull
i got 46% haste that doesnt sound too bad
slow gull
1k crit probaly useless though
junior ivy
I SERIOUSLY HATE IT SO MUCH WTF BLIZZ WHYYYYY
digital arrow
but why catfriend
dense lichen
WHY?
slow gull
can i sr everyone?
dense lichen
why do they hate war prot in mm+ ?
junior ivy
BUT THEY DONT HAVE DEAFENING CRASH
slow gull
because they need a healer
digital arrow
dont u have a spare helm or chest with dc either?
junior ivy
NOPE
mossy tiger
Rip
slow gull
just spam 370 caches you will eventaully
digital arrow
goddamn
junior ivy
cant gert azerite fro m+..
dense lichen
my deafening crash shoulders 370 are from pvp
dense lichen
i had 340 before
dense lichen
had to loot 340 DC in 500/500conquest pvp reward. THEN use a pvp token found in my chest(pvp).
But now maybe u can get one from emissaries cache ? finally some more chances ?
junior ivy
FINE ILL LEARN TO PVP 😦