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mossy ember
soft kindle
for staying alive, pretty sure dmd is bis
mossy ember
ok ty
severe pond
hey guys, i need some advices for AZ gear on my m+ prot gear. Helm with BfI/AV/IV. Chest is DC/Heed my Call/Vampiric Speed. On shoulders, which one I use? the 370 with BS/AV/IV or the 385 with BfI/AS/Gemhide? It is worth, 2 stacks of AV and IV dropping 15 ilvl, and using BS instead the second BfI?
obtuse venture
385
severe pond
hmm ok i'll change, but 2 stacks of AV and IV seems very temptative 🤣
thanks guys
cinder nova
severe pond
yeah, mythic raiding on a toast machine 😦
steel mauve
think i would be doing griff proud tonight lol
chilly brook
@steel mauve how so?
steel mauve
75% demo shout uptime on zekvoz
just above it
cd's lined up really good for add spawns on that fight
chilly brook
ayyyyyyyyy]
mossy ember
archive - strength in numbers - resounding v laser matrix - ablative - gemhide
i kinda like the 2nd and 3rd from the laser matrix
thorn yarrow
o you wanted to pull 1 pack of Zul trash
HERES THE WHOLE PLATFORM
freaking lazer matrix is the new barrage
soft kindle
warriors in our raid switch to prot on reclear and mass pull packs
while the actual tanks move crushers away
strats
sick sentinel
Man what is with these priest playing disc this week
ive had only 1 holy priest and that was the only time i had a smooth run
merry cave
Disc and greivous 😂 😂 😂 😂
subtle lantern
Strength or stam flasks for 5 mans?
soft kindle
I always use str for tanking
subtle lantern
ty
junior ivy
me too, strength
wind sedge
does anyone use pawn and have a good scale i can input into mine for prot? Alot of the automatic ones just dont seem right
soft kindle
Pawn's useless at the best of times. P sure for tanks it's pointless
merry cave
Don't use pawn for prot war, we have no Sims to base it on
wind sedge
So its only worth using for dps?
sick sentinel
you cant sim defensive rotation and we dont have dps sim aswell
anything that has to do with simming for tanks is not useful
dont use it for warr at all
You're a tank first, dps second
wind sedge
ok i deleted it haha
sick sentinel
Most of your damage comes from Thunderclap anyways
soft kindle
Pawn's inherently flawed for 95% of specs. I would always advise against it's use
wind sedge
ok cheers for the heads up
sick sentinel
Since the deaf crash azerite talent is our bis talent, so long as u dont stop Thunderclapping ur good
and shield slamming too of course
One day I can do a M+ above a 7 without a fucking disc
Of course when I dont tank, its never a disc tho
Its like disc's didnt learn during legion that they are ass, would rather have a ret heal me because at least Im being healed
amber siren
wat
disc is good, they just aren't super with warriors and they're weaker during grievous
not bad by any measure
sick sentinel
oh no i mean bad in the context of this week
specifically with grievous
They werent good during legion with griev and they arent good now with it
amber siren
oh right, yeah
sick sentinel
They are good healers but because they dont "Heal" it hurts them more
wind sedge
i have a pro sham healer so im set
sick sentinel
I pug my M+ because thats just how I am
wind sedge
would you use 370 biomelding cleaver or 355 Luminous Edge with strength socket?
Im really torn between the two
i dont want to lose the haste
and i also lose 20 str
sick sentinel
Imo edge
a socket with 40 haste is better than crit/vers which isnt that good unless u have the trinkets
wind sedge
i have socketed it with 40 str
sick sentinel
Dont socket it with str
You want haste
Even if you have every piece of gear with haste, wheter its the dominant stat or not, str cant compete with haste
If you want crit for the parry go get the on use trinket from the Warfront boss or do Waycreast, and get howlers from tol dagor for the vers
if thats your thing
wind sedge
i have howlers 360 and syringe 370
that makes a good point i might aswell keep the sword
thanks for the input
steel mauve
idk i would still go with higher ilvl sword, especially 15 ilvls, our secondaries are too close to just out right say 2 stats arent that good because in reality all our stats are good
but i would definitely drop the str gem for haste, we dont use a str gem
the weapon i really wouldnt jump ilvl for unless it was massive the is statless one from mansion, its shit dps proc and doesnt have stats
fringe marten
? What is the Acronym 'RoA' people are using for azerite traits?
soft kindle
Reorigination Array
fringe marten
Oh lol...I was thinking that but I thought "well RoA doesn't really ..quite fit? is there an azerite power I'm not thinking of?"
minor delta
Hey guys...should I really equip my 325 shoulders with the thunderclap trait instead of my 370 honorbound shoulders with brace for impact?
ember arrow
Yes
minor delta
ilvl difference seems so important...
ember arrow
Not for DC
dark lark
Can you find dc on another piece then lol
ember arrow
If he could he would
dark lark
Freehold 0 has dc helm
ember arrow
But azerite is like going to a casino
oblique garnet
Just run temple with 5 plate users who have shoulders
So they can trade incase it drops
Thats what i did
ember arrow
Well thats how an mmo should work no?
minor delta
didn't know for freehold, will do that with plate friends then
steel mauve
you probably wouldnt see much of a difference in performance in a DC trait item and a non DC trait with 45 ilvl higher, itll be close to the same dmg reduction
sudden tapir
Is there any benefit to stacking Resounding Protection 😮
dull pilot
n
sudden tapir
😛 Rgr
brazen sequoia
Is the timewalking stamina trinkets even worth anything?
there's one with 310 stamina and gives you a chance to get 150 armor when you attack
raven kernel
soft kindle
some aura on you?
zinc mauve
@raven kernel check your target
if you target a low lvl mob then the ehp goes through the roof
zinc mauve
l o n g b o i
soft kindle
to counter DKs and Paly's laughing at it, I believe
remote tusk
Still wearing T21 at 120.. 100k absorb on Ignore pain that refreshes itself 🤔
ember arrow
paladins can reset it though
thorny bobcat
timewalking stamina/armor trinket vs zekvoz vs blockades?
halp please
i mean mythrax trnket* in the middle
soft kindle
I think mythrax and blockades would be better for staying alive
Blockades for sure, mythrax is preference
thorny bobcat
`ty
steady locust
340 shoulders with DC vs 370 with Blood Rite, DC still worth the ilvl drop?
(of course DC not on any of my heads or torso
gray wolf
steady locust
k thanks, wasnt that sure. Still on traits, is Collective Will that bad in mm+ ? on my 375 torso its 265 Str bonus and 5212 health... Other option are Laser MAtrix and reinforced plating, both on 370.
steady dock
Hey chaps! Iron fortress or Bloodsport? I'm kind of thinking to save the Bloodsport because M+ ranged attacks, but what you reckon?
sick sentinel
Iron fortress for m+ ( granted they are the same ilvl)
@steady locust I would go with plating ( or lazer matrix for uldir if you do not have any other uldir piece)
remote tusk
Is G'huun's Explosive Corruption reflectable on Normal/Heroic/Mythic?
(The casted one)
signal plover
Yes
shut summit
Ye
wind tusk
For survivability, trinket wise, which 2 would be best out of a Blockades, 355 Jes'(w/socket), 355 Rezan(w/socket), 370 Syringe or a 370 Doom's Fury? Primarily for M+
shut summit
Blockades/ jes
Though would prolly just run 2 dps trinks for m+ unless having major issues
wind tusk
So probably best running Syringe and Doom's as DPS ones I guess?
shut summit
I would ye
wind tusk
Awesome, Thanks Sense!
graceful mason
It's not like syringe isn't a legit defense trinket
It has like 40% uptime on 6% parry or whatever
shut summit
Crit / parry nothing to scoff at esp in m+
vocal nimbus
^
lucky parries saved me more than i want to admit in 15 and above tyrannical bosses
storm isle
do you guys know of any good places to find m+ groups+
thorn yarrow
the best option I can say is build a group urself an progress together
storm isle
gotchu, thought there might be a discord or something
vocal nimbus
There are discord servers for sure somewhere
thorn yarrow
might be I never looked since my group has been around since the start of m+
vocal nimbus
I'd work first in getting a decent m+ score first
storm isle
i'm at like 850 or something
vocal nimbus
Too low to pick someone's interest i guess
storm isle
probably i have done roughly just +10s for the weekly chest + some farming here and there
going into pugs are interesting though, getting people with 375 ilvl and like 600+ score and they do 7k dps over all in a dungeon
karmic void
How are people handling Grievous this week?
storm isle
okey i would say, mage food helps alot
karmic void
My guild and i were doing a +10 kings rest last night....we were getting shredded
King Rest always gets the best of me though
Didnt help we were all melee
bright arrow
Hi everyone ! Got a question for trinkets in M+ : I've 365 Rezan's Gleaming Eyes, Blockades, 370 Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block, 370 Syringe with punction), 380 Briny Barnacle and 380 Vial of Animated Blood (with punction). I don't know with what to play ? :p
sick sentinel
Asking for PURE defense or our personal choice?
sick sentinel
blockades+vial for defence I guess
I would use vial+syringe or vial +rezan's
( I personally do not like the barnacle)
steel mauve
same, i hate that barnacle has a mechanic to it that would require you to use it intelligently, but cant because its a chance rng proc
weak yoke
Hey guys! Which trait should i go for? Or which are the best?
bright arrow
Sorry for replying so late (was on M+ :p) but why using Blockades, it makes so few healing ?
tender imp
its for the big stamina mainly
bright arrow
@tender imp And with which trinkets you gonna run for a def build ? And for dmg one ?
steel mauve
blockades is pretty decent, and honestly defensive trinkets are kind of ass currently
bright arrow
@steel mauve So for you, the Rezan Gleaming eyes should be the second best "def" trinket because of the haste proc which follow our stat priority ?
steel mauve
i would probably use blockades and rezans defensively, syringe and either rezans/vial offensively, but i would try to get a howler, jes howler is really strong, both defensively and offensively with the vers
bright arrow
Same, but I only have it on 345 :/
brisk flax
what is peoples problems this week
some rogue comes in my key group and goes "Warrior tank not gonna work"
then says DH or DK tank only this week
cause of rotation
have fun dying repeatedly and failing
are people retarded or something?
fallen escarp
Seems like the "no self-heal, no game" meme extension
fallen escarp
Yeah, I agree, hate the meme 😄
brisk flax
if your healer cant do it themselves then you have a serious problem
fallen escarp
How high key you pushing btw?
dark lark
You don't want that rogue anyway, he would've face pulled extra shit and stood in sanguine
I've had no problems this week
One of the easier key affixes imo
Last week being easiest
grand burrow
we had our ass kicked on shrine 10 yesterday, could be us just playing shit. but we cleared it after 1h20mins, 3 beers later :D....... or could be the beer haha
dark lark
to be fair, shrine kills everybody
that place is such a pain in the ass
easily my lowest raider.io score
lol
almost impossible to coordinate kicks on those unending darkness casters midway through
with pugs i mean
grand burrow
yep, it was painful
brisk flax
yaaaa i think my lowest was Temple from last week
we cleared
but it was extremely painful
would pull and like 2 seconds later a DPS would die
cause cleaving first boss
we wiped like 3 times on that shit lol i had to literally tell the tank to pull boss to other side of room to stop the boomy from nuking himself
(was helping my friend or i would have left)
then second boss the guy who was tanking had the boss standing in poison and peoples positioning was so terrible, even after telling them they need to not stand in the middle of the room, that i cant even count the amount of times we wiped on that boss.... surprisingly the 3rd boss and last boss we had no problems with though by that point i had enough and was tanking .... which was the only reason we killed 2nd boss and i was getting around 30 stacks repeatedly from 3rd boss just to make sure we killed him (i was arms up until i got tired of wiping several times into the 2nd boss because friend wanted to bring another tank who is no where close to as good as me but i bit the bullet and let him)
oh and the Warlock kept calling the Immolate spell Immoleeate.... so that can kind of shine a light onto him as well lol
sick sentinel
Use discord comms.
sick sentinel
3 interrupter min
brisk flax
ya i definitely would not have ran that key with that group set up normally for sure lol
but friend asked so i helped
outer dew
Reasons why I refuse to do anything sub 10
And if I'm tanking, everyone is on comms so I can call kicks and stuns
vagrant cape
does gemhide with itself? like if I take two hits for over 10% of my health, do I get extra armor?
upbeat folio
I haven't done anything this week. How is grievous?
lusty grotto
mixed feelings but most feel like its overtuned
you need a really good healer
i recommend not going with Disc priests maybe
unless he or she is really good
mellow bridge
Third boss in temple too
quiet relic
did they shdaow nerf our dps?
just did a 10 first of the week
and im no longer doing like any dps
lusty grotto
they did not
quiet relic
wtf then
4+ adds id pull 30k+ for some reason im bareley scratching 20k now
no gear change nothing hmmmm
sweet orchid
Rng is not with you
quiet relic
Is it RNG? demo shout+ avatar + revenge is a shit ton of dmg normally maybe I was just always getting lucky crits I dunno
lusty grotto
i mean
there's sanguine, so there's a lot of movement
tiny variables yield different results :p
quiet relic
True
lusty grotto
question is why did you mention revenge
instead of the more obvious bootyclap
👢 🍵 👏
lusty grotto
@quiet relic
quiet relic
All thunder clap is always num 1
If SS is on CD or not proced I throw
w in a revenge
More so when avatar is down and I have 4 seconds to spare lol
quiet relic
Shield slam
lusty grotto
right
dull ibex
this week is a feelsbadman
dull ibex
fuck this week in general
no grips so cant pick up ranged adds
everything hurts
grevious eats through IP
lusty grotto
LoS is your friend
dull ibex
LoS would be nice but when an add dies at the corner i have to run somewhere else
quiet relic
I run with a DK :D nice to have DJ friends
lusty grotto
yeah i know
vocal nimbus
explosive orbs spawn
higher chance of orbs with more mobs
doesnt get hit by aoe skills, only ST
dull ibex
^
vocal nimbus
doesnt get cleaved*
dull ibex
so shieldslam helps
vocal nimbus
you can target them with revenge and they get hit
but they dont get hit if you cleave them without targetting
if i recall correctly
mellow bridge
Can we kill them by ourselves quick enough as a tank?
mellow bridge
I mean how was it in Legion?
vocal nimbus
during antorus it was pretty easy
with t21 and the no cd slams
you could take care of everyone
now it will a pain in the ass i guess
dull ibex
they'll prob have like 40k hp
they usually want them to be an issue that cant be taken in 1 abil unless its big
also if they blow up it'll do like 30-40% group wide dmg
vocal nimbus
you can LoS them too
underrot will be impossible to do next week 😃
if the last boss' orbs spawn orbs like they spawned volcanic...
vocal nimbus
you can at least los there 🤷
vocal nimbus
tell dps to los before 50%
and you can eat one anyways
the orb's damage can be reduced by defensives
supple path
The big thing about explosive is that they trigger victory rush, too
So it's seriously worth your time to kill them
mellow bridge
oh nice
cosmic silo
Question. So ive been looking at prot warrior logs and seeing a lot of top warriors using devastator talent. I know its poor overall for when it comes to generating rage compared to the other talents. Is it because its a dps increase that they are taking this talent?
hot locust
I see like 3 people
and none on any of the more AoE/Cleave heavy fights
it's honestly about dps neutral single target
and a loss in AoE
primal crypt
sick sentinel
Wow, I beat my first +10 on time this week(FH) and wouldnt you know it, I HAD A FUCKING DRUID FOR A HEALER. I WONDER WHY WE DID SO FUCKING WELL OVER THE OTHER TIMES IVE DONE ANYTHING WITH DISC THIS WEEK
God I wish blizzard just disabled disc during grievous weeks
sick sentinel
and even on body pulls from dps or themselves they dont need to drink every pull
ember arrow
well disc isnt made for this affix
sick sentinel
yeah, i know, but it seems like no one is telling them this
well i have, whenever they start to moan
"I need to drink, this is hard, why is everyone taking so much damage" god why
chrome harbor
Now that Holinka is back and working on wow have the glad stance memes started yet?
ember arrow
@sick sentinel if he doesnt know why peopel take dmg on a grievous week
he maybe should look at the affixes :^)
sick sentinel
Can you guess why i put those statements in quotes
Like banging my head against a fucking wall whenever I see a disc priest in a group
sick sentinel
80/85% would be fine since bfa has more trash than legion did
sick sentinel
@chrome harbor depends, hes already buff like a warrior so it might come back
daring marlin
I’m surprised they didn’t nerf it
Like they did...whatever that one healer dot is from killing adds
daring marlin
Bursting
chrome harbor
Apparently his role is lead combat designer, which includes class design. Guess blizz is making some moves in BfA
sick sentinel
Im just curious are we going to have the same issue we had with CoS at the last boss with explosives next week
daring marlin
Should be fun
ember arrow
well explosive trigger off of the little guys in underrot last boss
and explosive can trigger off of other explosives
small indie company
ember arrow
yea been like that in legion too
since every explosive orb is a unit
explosive in legion was so shit, once u got in like +25 keys, u needed 2-3 seconds ST dps to kill one
they should make them have 1 hp, that way you must switch targets, but every ability can kill them
so you dont end up in scenarios like many classes were where their ST spells couldnt oneshot them
ember arrow
🤔
daring marlin
😛
daring marlin
My 340 dk with a TW stam trinket
daring marlin
his bonestorm fucking ticks for over 1500 a second
? ? ?
that shit must scale like crazy
daring marlin
and hell yeah brother I don’t get shit for trinkets
ember arrow
the healing is what makes it kinda stupid sometimes
daring marlin
For sure
ember arrow
but i argue that its not what makes dk strong
daring marlin
With loads of mobs you may as well have an immunity on
love that mass grip
and brez
and regular grip
...
ember arrow
i still think they should make other tanks better
but nerfing 1<buffing others
quick maffs
and the changes they made on ptr so far, make bdk weaker in raid environment
not in m+
but i guess since warrior ( as far as i know) didnt get any changes, we will know more soon
tm
daring marlin
Very interested in seeing what they do.
ember arrow
the azerite currency vendor looks really good
working towards soemthing
in wow?
its like christmas never left
much better than the bs rng drops
daring marlin
yeah lol
midnight ferry
azerite veins stack?
sick sentinel
yes,
midnight ferry
good
daring marlin
HELLYEAHBROTHER
uneven mason
Azerite veins stacking is the secret to my #1 healing parses
kidding, its actually IV
not the talent
vagrant cape
I'm sure someone's mentioned this before, but since the azerite currency only comes from azerite gear and the weekly chest, people looking for 385 azerite pieces are going to be forced to run all their mythic 0s and out geared raids to hunt for more azerite gear to scrap.
It's going to feel a lot like in Legion when mythic raiders were clearing normal every week for more chances at legendaries.
So yeah, the system is definitely welcome but if it's even close to viable to find and scrap 340 azerite pieces, people are gonna be farming super easy content regardless of their gear level
astral crystal
it's from higher than ilvl azerite gear
iirc
nvm
Similarly, scrapping higher-item-level Azerite pieces will give you significantly higher amounts of this currency than lower-level pieces.
you get more from that
i'm guessing low level pieces will have insignificant contributions though
vagrant cape
The only requirement is that it's epic azerite gear. And yes, higher ilvl will give a lot more,but if the tuning is off enough for people to deem it "worth" to farm 340s then by God people will farm the 340s
I just don't want the following scenario to come true:
I do my normal high end stuff. I do some 10+ keys and clear heroic and do my mythic prog. I do my emissaries.
I do this for two weeks. I see that I'm one week away from my next 385 piece. My nolife friend who did lfr and normal uldir and did all the m0s for azerite can afford their piece already.
I then feel terrible because my friend got a significant upgrade sooner than me by doing content that is absolutely trivial.
And thus I feel compelled to do the same unfun and unchallenging content to get upgrades.
Just. Like. Legendaries.
soft kindle
This is almost a compromise of old valor and the leggo system
RNG in getting the azerite loot, but the overall idea is to build currency to spend on guaranteed gear
vocal nimbus
We dont know either how much azerite we will need to break to buy one
And the one you buy can be scraped probably
Maybe with just 2-3 pieces you can buy one
earnest zinc
They need to make buffing us a high priority
Instead of being retarded and making BDK unviable in mythic Siege
cobalt slate
hi there, crit or haste heirlooms for leveling?
ivory barn
im confused on this graphing stats with askmrrobot... wtf is going on
brittle timber
prot sims just don't work
someone else could explain it better but prot warrior sims are broken and unusable
rich robin
Don’t sim prot my friend
soft kindle
Don't sim prot, and don't use AskMrRobot for
literally anything
it's as bad as noxxic
ivory barn
oh if its as bad as noxxic eww
frosty wedge
yeah basically it's ilvl > haste > vers=mas > crit
stuck oxide
@hot locust @fierce juniper Great Article on prot warrior. I agree with everything. The suggestion to make prot better are on point! Thank you for taking the time to do this kind of thing
limber wigeon
sims can be good for tanks, you just have to look at a couple of different metrics instead of a single one
hot locust
Marok did most of the writing this time around, I just kind of proofread/added a couple points.
fierce juniper
@stuck oxide Thanks :D
plain ice
which 2 trinkets would ya'll use for m+ 10 and higher?
sick sentinel
i would use jes howler and high ilvl pvp trinket probably
you wont really need defensive trinkets and even if you do they generaly suck so
Use Howler and Dooms Fury
You gain crit which is useful for M+ from fury, and howler(which I fucking hate) helps groups stop sucking less
Howler is good this week tho because its helps reduce the damage u take from the grievous ticks but also the healers ability to heal which may help them out
But remember, Howler cant help your groups from being goldfish no matter how good you use it
thorn narwhal
is the waycrest 1h good for prot
sick sentinel
No
Unless its ur only weapon on hand, it has higher ilvl than what ur currently using, its terrible
Don't aim for it but use it if it's the highest ilvl weapon you have
oblique garnet
New trait
brisk flax
isnt it just a slow when demo?
boring
oh i see Warrior
Bastion of Might: Avatar increases your Mastery by 235 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain.
hmmm
they are waiting way too long to bring us up to par with DK and Monk
get tired of all the shit talking and getting declined from groups just because im a prot warrior with no consideration towards anything else just a "oMg yOu ArE pRoT wArRiOr? sUcH bAd. I dEcLiNe."
earnest zinc
You have no chance of getting a tank spot in a mythic guild as Prot Warrior unless you are a vet that proved themself
Prot needs a big buff in 8.1
brisk flax
i mean i have logs from previous expansions that prove just that so im not so much worried about raids
but M+ is extremely annoying
steel mauve
thats not true, you just have no chance of getting into a mythic raiding guild whose leadership has no clue of what they're doing
earnest zinc
I'm in a guild where they hate Prot Warrior but perfectly ok with a meme destroy or shadow
brisk flax
mmm 370 shadowpriests and their like 9k DPS?
earnest zinc
I'm tanking on my monk there until they buff warrior
steel mauve
that doesnt mean a prot warrior cant get into a mythic raiding guild, we are perfectly viable and capable of mythic raiding content, world first guilds took easier tanks, but a CE guild can still get CE with a warrior
brisk flax
i have a monk but rep grinding is fucking LAME
and i prefer warrior for tanking. always have since even BC
earnest zinc
Sad part is they aren't even AoTC while I am
Also I could do the same output on the monk with much less effort at an equal ilvl.
Monk is just brainless
Keep up ISB and you won't die
Except on Zul P2, but that fight sucks for both warrior and monk
daring patrol
"Prot War Bad" can easily be turned into an npc meme
subtle lantern
p99
oblique garnet
Why cant Champions of azeroth have the same kind of item that you could buy when you get to exalted that increases all the reputation gains to that faction on one account as anglers have for instance
junior whale
which one do you think would be better if i dont have a deafening crash trait already
daring patrol
by the way you worded that, I think you already know which one would be better
junior ivy
370 DC item omg 😦
junior whale
so you pretty much just always want at least one deafening crash right?
sorry if questions sound dumb been playing prot for like 3 dgs only thing i know is from reading over guides quickly
amber siren
yeah
sudden tapir
There is nothing really stopping me from running an orb as tank on G’huun no? Can’t think of anything stopping me from doing so in phase 1, and switching with the other tank, making him run an orb next. Hmm..
amber siren
yep tanks are free to run orbs in p1
steel mauve
tanks can run the orb if their class permits, warriors are really good at it, so are monks
sudden tapir
Yea sweet, this can definitely work. I have a small group ;x so spreading the responsibilities haha
candid cove
Holinka is back. Let’s dig that prot grave.
steel mauve
and ya always keep a DC
candid cove
Unless you’re a man! Then don’t.
steel mauve
or you want to make things very aggravating
candid cove
Jk don’t hurt me. I’ve got 370 dc shoulders in my bags.
oblique garnet
I found the secret to finding good dps
You just have to put "Go full mongo dps" on the details
heady citrus
so more aids words in title.. the better
finite mango
Gets em every time
heady citrus
got to get them 11 year old bad bois
oblique garnet
Hey if they are 11 and im not the top dps in overall while they are doing mechanics etc correctly ill take it
heady citrus
its like a ritual. you are summoning them
oblique garnet
it wasnt that bad
tbh i forgot the grievious buff completely with pala healer
Now sanguine on shrine makes you want to die
oblique garnet
Pally or Mw maybe
amber siren
the only healer i have issues with on griev is shamans really
i mean disc as we ll i guess
heady citrus
inviting shamans in BFA... Nice joke
amber siren
i mean lil spicy from the prot warrior channel
opaque cave
have not had a shami healer yet
flint prism
sick sentinel
Fingers crossed a meaningful rework of mastery and increased rage gen on ST is in the works
dapper kayak
@sick sentinel you think the problem is rage generation?
mellow bridge
what talent tree changes
dapper kayak
I am casual player and I think warrior single target dps is a problem
Also lack of magical damage protection
DK can heal himself and is self sustainable while warrior needs a lot of assists
I tried m+ with weak healers and it was a disaster, while DKs could manage it
May be IP should be buffed
Or something
potent peak
how is warrior single target dps a problem?
potent peak
if you dk has way better gear than you warrior then i agree but currently warrior tanks does more damage than other tanks cos avatar talent
+loads of haste
dapper kayak
@potent peak may be I have less haste than I need
I like ny multi target dps but not solo
real rover
I finally got my DC 370 shoulders 
oblique garnet
3rd time in a row when they changed emissaries and i get the same 370 shit helm
dull ibex
1 DC 2 BFI
but i run 3 archive because i have the overall survivability for it
deafening crash is great on allowing yourself to extend your damage reduction window, however you must preset yourself and be ready to use clap on every other GCD
brace enables you to gain block from how much you slam, which is great but procs fluxuate the effectiveness
cloud hound
ty
prisma night
Dc isnt only for dmg reduction extending its a dps cd extender too with the talent
scenic dune
ip still has the same major problem it had in legion, it doesn't last long enough, GCD change withstanding, IP doesn't last long enough imo
dull ibex
i did forget the dmg part, but as a prot warrior i just have so much built in damage 😃
IP needs a jump from 50 to 75%
its too weak for what it is right now
scenic dune
quick question, am I retarded for running devastator instead of bv? I'm too used to legion (recently got back into bfa) tanking and not hitting devastate.
dull ibex
dev is okay with low haste
but BV is stronger with higher haste
since TC does alot of damage with it
scenic dune
yeah I've had low haste for a while, my gear rolls have been unlucky to say the least so I'm only hitting around 13% without into the fray
would you say I should switch to BV then?
amber siren
your haste doesn't matter for why you would pick dev/BV
BV is better defensively since dev doesn't give rage anymore
amber siren
Dev argubably might be better DPS wise but who knows without sims
dull ibex
its a helper tho
amber siren
No reason to talent out of BV
scenic dune
yeah my DPS parses are respectable, even undergeared
scenic dune
but some times the fight gets a bit hairy so I probs should switch to bv and learn to hate it all over again
dull ibex
BV helps alot
since you get 40 free rage and that can go into a shieldblock if its a heavy pack
and since SB isnt on GCD i like to combo a demo w/ a shieldblock in 1gcd
so i can save time for my healer to pick my HP up
sick sentinel
First of all, @dull ibex a DC trait will give you more survivability than a third archive
And secondly, @scenic dune Booming voice syneragises with the thunderclap talent and the angry management talent and the DC trait that you should gave, all of this synergy makes BV mandatory
serene ermine
prot warri dead atm ?
scenic dune
nope
sick sentinel
Not even close
sick sentinel
Its worse than dk in m+ and brm in raids but not necessarily bad
outer dew
And some dungeons will make you want to rope yourself
serene ermine
any changes in sight for 8.1 ?
outer dew
Motherlode and KR occasionally make me wanna get the rope
sick sentinel
Motherlode is fine lol
outer dew
Tyrannical week, third boss is always my asshole is no happu
Esp when healer prio on dispell goes to dps
sick sentinel
A bunch if changes that we still do not know off, they said they are looking into us
ember arrow
u ca nreflect it
sick sentinel
Reflect the dot
sick sentinel
And also BL her
serene ermine
kk, ty folks
outer dew
Only so many happy times for me when it comes to the fact you can't mitigate her autos
SR is nice and all. But she still trucks
sick sentinel
How high are we talking about?
sick sentinel
Zul is the bane of warriors I can agree with that
outer dew
I just don't feel secure
scenic dune
yeah phase two zul is when shit hits the fan, any other fight is really tame compared to him
sick sentinel
We talking shadow of zul in kings rest
On zul you jump out, get BoPed and you charge back in
prisma night
If my healers werent shit then heroic zul wouldnt be so bad
Go to drop off pool and just die most of the time
Idk what to do that would actually be beneficial to tell them and not an out right flame
amber siren
ask for externals for as much as you can i guess
sick sentinel
If you have a CR tracker you do what I did when we had only 1 paladin
Tell them "let me die"
And die and get CRed
round vortex
@prisma night You can actually stand with the raid and get all of the AOE heals which help alot. Ask for an external with abot 5 secs left on debuff (healers should expect that this is coming as part of your strategy) then heroic leap out with 3 secs left - pop spell reflect and any one major CD you have (either SW or LS) and ou shouldn't drop very low at all.
In our strategy we actually have a DH play vengeance spec and he jsut controls the hexers and also joins our tank rotation in phase 3 - makes the pools super small as each tank only ever has 2-3 stacks and allows for more major CD's to be used.
With this strat we actually one shot it on guild prog lol
prisma night
Yeah ill try standing with healers to make it easier but everytime i ask for a sac it takes about 3 or so asks for the guy to do it smh
Spell reflect only helps for the corrupted blood since rupturing is physical bleed but I guess every bit counts
Usually LS is on cd saving myself before i even have 3 stacks cuz healers neglect my hp pool and i fall to sub 80k hp or to cycle for sb uptime
So SW is my only reliable thing i have up for zul p2 when i got to drop off pools
round vortex
Yeah if your paladin is slow ask them to eithe rmake a macro for you or ask earlier factoring in their shitness lol
prisma night
It feels bad to save LS just for the hp when the sb uptime increase would reduce so much more dmg but i might have to
If they cant react to the dot ticks
round vortex
just make sure you have shield wall then lol
I tank crushers so i don't really need to use any CD's until then so I have both up lol
plus Health stone + healing potion can top you up about 100k so its a good psuedo CD as well
health pots don't share a CD with other pots so you can use one every fight reliably
prisma night
Yeah i usually can save myself from two deaths with healthstone and pot and then an ls
round vortex
Monk bubble (life cacoon) is also really really strong there
Yeah we normally have him dead before I have to tank him again lol
prisma night
We have to go through both tanks getting 2 puddles
So 3 swaps i guess or 4 puddles total
round vortex
Here you go. You can see our debuff staggering there. He dies on my second round - Antialliance took the boss and he died before mine dropped lol.
prisma night
Yeah its frustrating that we keep downing it but never cleanly
Like ghuun heroic is soooo easy compared to zul
round vortex
Well i might be able to help more - with the transition.
So once the boss is at 55% we call out to CC BOTH hexers and keep them CC'd for the remainder of the fight.
That way at the transition we just have to deal with either one round of Crawgs and one crusher OR just the crawgs if we're super lucky on the timing.
If a crusher pool has spawned and we are transitioning we lust when it gets to the middle. If there is no crusher pool we just lust straight after the knockback
Just make sure you assign your better mechanical players to that CC (we use 2 DH's) so they don't forget. Don't pick some potato that doens't know how to watch his CC
soft kindle
Lusting pull is typically better
round vortex
Yeah we lusted on the pull this week. Worked well. Only if you have it use on the crusher.
either is acceptable as long as you transition with both hexers CC'd.
fading compass
did an atal +7 with a shammy healer.. was really bad
round vortex
If you are struggling with the fight I'd suggest lustin on the transition to make that part quicker since that's where you'll struggle the most
fading compass
not sure if its me or the healer
round vortex
lust on pull when you're sweet with it.
amber siren
Shamans aren't great on grievous week but shouldn't be the sole reason you deplete a 7
vocal nimbus
Probably a bit of fault from everyone
wild sandal
I have 2 370 azerite and 340 cheat for DC trait, should I replace it with 385 chest from m+ weekly,or keep it
vocal nimbus
if thats your only DC piece keep it
wild sandal
It is, ok thank you will keep it
scenic dune
355 galecaller's beak VS 355 darkmoon deck: blockades VS 370Lions strength?
oblique garnet
oh boy yet another reddit thread slamming prot warriors
soft kindle
tried out reddit for the first time a week ago when someone made a goofy little fury guide thing
I now have negative karma and sadness
amber siren
the reddit is fine in v short doses/bucket of salt
but suffers from the same problem all of reddit does, just karmawhoring and posting 'safe' opinions so they can just agree with each other or you'll be downvoted in oblivion
chilly brook
Yea like how people downvoted me on reddit even when I showed how I required less EHRPS than other tanks and how Blood DK was only minimally ahead of prot warrior in Mythic on Fetid for Thrash
By actually showing and bringing up numbers and even cherry picking the best healing from DKs
open bluff
oblique garnet
its from a site called bestkeystones or smth like that
and uses shrine to determine the ratings
graceful mason
griff it just parses the composition of each run off of raider.io
basicly a popularity/community perception calculator
graceful mason
its a completely valid metric
scenic dune
its fotm calculator
graceful mason
just not for acutal effiecacy
chilly brook
I mean if it doesn’t tell me what’s efficient I don’t count it as a valid metric
graceful mason
not for what you want nope
chilly brook
It’s just a statistic of popularity
Which just tells me what classes are being played not why or how well they do
scenic dune
what's popular and what's good are not the same thing
chilly brook
That’s the point
scenic dune
it's completely useless unless you want to know what everyone is playing
soft kindle
Prots higher up than the chart shows, closer to monk
other than that, it looks pretty accurate for m+
solemn kelp
Probably been asked 10000000 times, but, does Longstrider stack?
soft kindle
all traits stack
solemn kelp
ty
red sun
yesss i finally got a 370 deaf crash piece lol
deft hinge
Deafening Crash stacks?
mental scarab
Only the dmg not the extra time
storm isle
would be way to op if the time stacked
thorn yarrow
tbh the trait is already way too OP
I havent really seen any other trait in the game so far worth the ilvs DC has
storm isle
it's more with an inherent problem in the class when a trait is so essential to it
thorn yarrow
I mean that could be said about a lot of classes an in many specs before hand this is nothing new but. Clearly this trait was either extremely overlooked or the just didnt care to adjust it
storm isle
how would prot warrior fair if they adjusted ornerfed the trait?
chilly brook
Slightly worse
thorn yarrow
honest just fine
I fail at using it properly all the time an maxing its use an still do well
chilly brook
Best uptime I’ve seen is 75% so it’s not exactly going to translate into a full 20% reduction the whole time
Most likely probably sits around a 10% reduction if you’re doing everything well
For the whole fight that you’re tanking that is
But that’s just off the head guess, I’d have to actually look at the logs and do the math
storm isle
it's still quite big though
chilly brook
Sure but not enough to make us bad tbh
We’re on par with prot pally in damage taken currently
Which means outside of monks and DK’s we’re the next best option
And anecdotally my healers have never struggled outside of DS windows
thorn yarrow
whats funny is my healers find it easier to heal me since my damage taken is very predictable
uneven mason
We're literally a head of paladins in mitigation by the same amount that they beat us in self healing +++
thorn yarrow
over our DK
uneven mason
Or if you're me, you're ahead of your paladin co tank by the same amount you're ahead of him in mitigation (at the same ilvl)
thorn yarrow
I will say even tho its small I do love Draenei racial
earnest zinc
The main problem is community perception
thorn yarrow
20% healing is nothing to scoff at when its needed
uneven mason
Not really Garun
I used to go with that line
But its not really a community perception issue anymore
its literally that, the vast majority of people playing Prot
can't play prot well
because we're fucking hard to play
earnest zinc
My server blacklists prot
uneven mason
Its because 8/10 times
you're going to get a dogshit tier player who could play a BrM or BDK just fine due ot being reactive
who gets their face pancaked as prot warrior
earnest zinc
Most guilds will decline a Prot Warrior
uneven mason
Oh I know, I'm benched
because I'm a prot warrior
over a BDK and Paladin who are harder to heal
because my GM drinks the SCOolaid
earnest zinc
That's a shit guild
earnest zinc
The GM is a moron at least
uneven mason
No
Its because a BDK has padding
A paladin has padding
they have OPTIONS when they fuck up
When a prot warrior fucks up
we die
in Mythic
cinder pasture
So don't fuck up 😄
uneven mason
that is just it, flat out, if I sneeze, I die
case in point, I ate a 80k melee to the back on Mother
weak yoke
Dont sneeze mate
uneven mason
because I wasn't turned after leaping
1/2 second, cost us a kill
when I play perfect, I out perform any of the other tanks
when I fuckup, I waste peoples time
and that is the issue wiht prot
earnest zinc
The options are to become a badass tank or reroll to a zero skill required brew
uneven mason
we're just punished
earnest zinc
If you aren't dogshit, you will perform on the level of expert Prot Warriors.
uneven mason
I don't have a problem with their logic for benching me, its sound logic - yes player A can play like a god and tank like he's Chuck Norris
Or he could have his 4 year old yank his mouse out of his hand on Ghuun and wipe us
Our baseline needs to be brought up to par with other tanks
BDK and BrM need to be brought down
But most of that is "Death proofing"
not a skill thing
thorn yarrow
nah other classes dont need to be brought down we just need to be brought up
soft kindle
I agree with nerfing brm and dk base survivability, but their overall power shouldnt be nerfed
thorn yarrow
nerfing isnt balancing otherwise OW would have balanced years ago
soft kindle
perfect example, the famed Fetid Log
uneven mason
I mean baselikne tankability, as long as BrM and BDK have get out of death free cards they will remain meta
earnest zinc
Remove those cards
uneven mason
The instnat you make it so Stagger can kill them
BrM becomes trashcan tanks
so there has to be a middleground
like you can only take 1 tick of "U DED" Stagger every 90seconds
soft kindle
that wouldnt make them trashcan
it'd hurt, but it wouldn't be a massive drop in their power
uneven mason
I mean, they'd need something somewhere else I don't think I ever saw my BrM cotank at the start of progression walk away from Zek's combo or running Zul's dot out without being at "derp" levels of health
earnest zinc
I'd say keep the magic damage staggered the same but reduce the physical portion
I have a Brew and it's stupidly easy
thorn yarrow
or just give us a get out 1 get out of jail free card an we are fine an then balance our base survivability to other classes
earnest zinc
Make IP a full absorb and double it's strength
soft kindle
Why, it was better
soft kindle
uh boy, one of those
thorn yarrow
a no skill no talent rage dump with zero downside would do nothing but reinforce bad play style an behavior
no talent should ever do that
earnest zinc
It wouldn't be as strong as DS because we have other mitigation
Shield Block CD and rage cost needs to go
thorn yarrow
half? thats a completely overblown statement
soft kindle
It's not
the majority of abilities, you use on cooldown
or you use when available
be it locked behind resource, time, or some other req
thorn yarrow
I would take this statement serious but u broad stroked an listed nothing
sick sentinel
How exactly did legions IP create bad behavior's then, it was intended as a rage dump that stacked on itself a lot
thorn yarrow
swing and a miss
I said it would reinforce bad behaviors that current bad prots already have
sick sentinel
you did not say current
thorn yarrow
if that is ur idea of balance go play BDK
sick sentinel
Yeah no, if IP was the way of legion it wouldn't reinforce bad behavior. Even the "Baddest" of prot warriors known to have shield block up, but you shouldn't be pooling rage
There is no benefit from it, what are you pooling it to spam revenge, yeah ok
thorn yarrow
the guy asked for a "full absorb" IP an double its strenght so just a 60k bubble we pop whenever we feel like it
thats not making you better that just another bandaid
sick sentinel
Not really
thorn yarrow
oof
sick sentinel
What makes it any different than the guard talent for BrM, or Deathstrike'
If its a talent with CD sure, but even if it was part of our kit it doesnt "Enforce" anything
Of course it has to have its Blizzardtm balance
thorn yarrow
ya cause blizzard has shown they are great with balance
sick sentinel
Its the blizzard balance
thorn yarrow
aside from removing IP off the GCD its fine as it is. Adding anything else to it just adds trivial bandaids that doesnt address our core issues
why buff an ability to make it like every other class just "because" they have it
that isnt a good argument at all
sick sentinel
To keep tanks in line with one another
obviously
cant have jimmy not feel like a bdk on his dh
thorn yarrow
but doing that to IP isnt gona make us inline with them lmao
sick sentinel
The problem is, they are going to change IP with the tank changes for sure
Removing off GCD, I personally dont think they will
So in place buff it or rework it
Afterall they thought the GCD changes was needed even though everyone said no to it
And it took them a mintue to remove racials(cept blood elves, good fuck elves) and trinkets from GCD
earnest zinc
Blood Elf's racial is BROKEN
Though a lot is because they put too many AoE purge situations in PvE
wide fiber
is archive of the titans useful in M+?
soft kindle
Yes
sick sentinel
Does it replace deafening crash in your setup?
Is it the highest ilvl in that slot
Because its not good comp to DC, BFI or IF
soft kindle
archive is good in m+ ,and I don't believe DC is on any uldir pieces
sick sentinel
It isn't on any but if its on the same slot with DC piece, its not good
steel mauve
archive isnt great in outside of uldir, its decent, but a BFI or IF would still beat it, i would probably only use archive if it was a higher ilvl outside of the raid, we really only want it for the array
soft kindle
It's a lot of str
steel mauve
doesnt mean it beats the other 2
its basically an offensive trait, defensively, i think the top 4 still beat it, idk about reprisal though
quaint spire
I want to like protection and to an extent I do but compared to other tanks I feel so clunky. Do you guys think we still have a chance for some rework during BFA or just minor things?
sick sentinel
Its not a chance, we know we are getting reworked in 8.1
esp since they specifically pointed us and guard druids out
All tanks are waitng on baited breath for the overall tank changes
Since we know classes are going to get nerfed and others buffed/reworked
quaint spire
Yeah I know but I am not confident on them doing anything significant other than number buffs
quaint spire
True true. I main brew at the moment I assume overall baseline stagger reduction without isb is coming
sick sentinel
Assume the worst for the top spots, and the best for the bottom spots
quaint spire
That Blizz logic
real thunder
Hello, quick question: Is Devastator a new viable option? Initially BoomingVoice was universally suggested but now looking at the top heroic/mythic parses for Uldir, Devastator is selected pretty often.
steel mauve
no, never take devestator
inner solstice
i miss the good days of prot warrior, it was my first artifact challenge i completed, now i cant use the Legionbreaker cuz of the nerfs, had to swap to arms
uneven mason
@real thunder They're top parses because its a DPS gain over BV in single target
don't use DPS parses as a measurment for protection warriors
steel mauve
still, if you look at the top 10 parses for each fight, that has more than 10 warriors, the most used dev is still 4 out of 10, and thats only 1 fight, the rest are 2 out of 10
uneven mason
Your focus should be on survivability, and BV is a large source of RPS
steel mauve
i think 1 is 3 out of 10, so still BV is overwhelmingly used
uneven mason
which in turn, is a mitigation boost through more reliable IP and SB use.
steel mauve
BV still isnt that far behind dev with the dmg boost on top of it, and dev is slightly ahead of BV on literal pure single target, IE 1 fight
2/3 if you want to count taloc or mother, but i prefer being on adds on mother
real thunder
I thought the rule of thumb is DPS as much as you can while still surviving and these parses show that people survive with Devastator and its a DPS gain. Not saying Devastator is better than BV, just that i notice it's being used more often than expected
thx for the info all
steel mauve
BV still overwhelmingly used
uneven mason
but sacrificing a large portion of their rage use
Folks more or less run Devastator just because they know they cna show up in #1 parses by doing do 😄
real thunder
probably right
uneven mason
Epeen, but if you rank em on DTPS and EHRPS they're barf bucket level
steel mauve
only 1 number 1 parse has dev being used, the rest are like mother with 2 and 3 using dev, and the rest arent even in top 3, so statistically BV is a defensive boost and better dps gain on most fights
fetid* i mean not mother
even in heroic is almost only BV, so statistically BV is still a better dps and defensive boost over dev
and like i said only 1 mythic fight has dev as number one, so they are sacrificing so much to not even be number 1 dps
real thunder
thx for the info
neon tangle
I’m also guessing they use a lot more revenge too
I mean if you wildly over gear content and just want to get top parses why not?
digital arrow
Hell yeah
broken gale
dusty solstice
everyone seems excited that Holinka is returning... which I dont understand lol
maybe they could pin the azerite system on him, so they can remove it like they did ashran?
scapegoat 😃
worthy karma
Hahahaha no he has returned to save the day!
uneven mason
"HEY GUYS PEOPLE SAY WE HAVE BAD IDEAS - WHAT DO WE DO??"
"Oh, Bring back the dude that has overseen some of the worst design in the games history!"
dusty solstice
thats what I was thinking. like, what can you point to on Holinka's resume that would have players excited for his return?
I'm just trying to understand
granite meadow
chilly brook
Well as lead combat designer I don't think he did a horrible job @dusty solstice @uneven mason
I was reasonably happy with class balance in WoD
Just not the lack of content and the continued pushing of Ashran
Maybe we’ll get gladiator stance back 
next ermine
I still remember getting Armageddon back in Wrath and being so hyped
winter jetty
I liked warlords alot... was plenty to do if you pvpd and had a full account of alts 😀
supple path
Is there a good write-up anywhere of exactly what mathematical value block value on a shield gives you? Feels like it should be obvious but I'm unsure.
mossy cloud
is Blockades still good for survivability? better than a 370 dooms fury?
even though its a DPS trink, it has more ttr
str
daring marlin
yes
mossy cloud
thank you
jaunty aspen
were there any changes to jes howler recently=? a few guild members talked about a nerf=?
earnest zinc
I think their rework is to make the description of prot say "just reroll or dps"
soft kindle
@jaunty aspen no
distant meadow
so what is the magical number for haste to have so you arent as terrible as it seems?
remote tusk
900%
final mist
45% means literally nothing.
sick sentinel
U want around 41-43% with 2-4 coming from into the fray to get a 12 second SB recharge time, which let's u replace rezan trinket for nearly anything else
final mist
You drop Rezan's for other trinkets way before you worry about what sort of Haste you have.
sick sentinel
Your right but if you can't reach that point without it's best to keep until that ppint
queen owl
Hi guys.
final mist
You misunderstand me - 45% Haste is not a Haste cap. Haste caps don't exist.
final mist
Therefore, not wanting to drop Rezan's for some arbitrary amount of Haste means jack shit.