lol
#protection
sick sentinel
dusk locust
make huge pulls less dangerous to people other than yourself
sick sentinel
I'm only used to working with the fury apl
dark lark
It feels bad that my brewmaster, who's 10 ilvls lower than my protein warrior, has 0 trouble in m10s because of incap and ring of peace on infested mobs
sick sentinel
so by the end of today or tomorrow
chilly brook
@sick sentinel IP is what you fill global with if you need to mitigate damage
dark lark
Prot* autocorrect, but protein is good too
chilly brook
So basically it has no place in the priority list for a sim
sick sentinel
so before revenge and devastate but after thunder clap
na
if you don't have it there
because it takes a gcd
it will be an incorrect sim
chilly brook
Right but it’s like bear
sick sentinel
if it's an ability you use, removing it is not a good idea
chilly brook
Sims don’t really tell us anything about damage intake tho
sick sentinel
hence lol
chilly brook
They’re unreliable there
Which is why I’m saying there’s no reason to include IP in the PL
chilly hemlock
protection isn't fully implemented in simc
chilly brook
But how is that sim going to correctly use IP?
chilly hemlock
so even if you had an optimal APL, chances are the results would be questionable
at least for now
sick sentinel
¯_(ツ)_/¯
@chilly hemlock what specifically isn't implemented?
(we can take this to the simc dev server)
@chilly brook right now I have ignore pain below thunder clap
chilly hemlock
azerite traits, and a bunch of things probably haven't been touched since legion beta
chilly hemlock
if not even before that
chilly brook
You’d have to code it to only cast it if there’s damage you need to smooth (which how), you’d also need to code it so you’re not just using it all the time because it has no CD and it’s a waste to cast it if you’re even above half IP value.
chilly hemlock
the apl hasn't been touched since marok updated it in antorus
chilly brook
I’m being serious when I say that the sim would probably be a better representation without IP in there
chilly hemlock
I've been working on the prot module recently, although at a slow pace since I don't play the spec and have other priorities
chilly brook
Because the only reason you sim yourself as a tank is pure damage output
sick sentinel
I have nothing better to do rn
yeah
but you cast ip
you don't have fights wher eyou don't
patchwerk or otherwise
chilly hemlock
the few things left on the list cosmo gave me are - protwarr sims : The azerite traits need to be implemented, Brace for impact, Callous Reprisal, Deafening Crash, Iron fortress and Reinforced plating are the prot warrior specific that affect damage 1s icd on rage gain from auto attacks taken Ignore pain needs to be updated to 50% absorb, indom doesnt increase IP cap anymore and cap amount has changed to 1.3 of one cast. Intercept has double time under it? Cant get double time as prot and cant get intercept as dps Intervene has its own code? its been gone for years
but there's most likely more
chilly brook
I mean in a real fight I don’t really use Revenge without a proc
chilly brook
Depends on the situation
sick sentinel
prot->add_action( this, "Revenge", "if=buff.revenge!.up|rage>=90)" );```is what I have rn
chilly brook
If I’m not needing IP I should Revenge
chilly hemlock
revenge! probably wouldn't work if I had to guess
since "!" is also used as an operator
sick sentinel
yeah
but I'm not sure how to do it by spell id
nor to do it by spell cost
I asked about spell cost earlier
chilly hemlock
the ID is 5302?
chilly hemlock
looks like it
sick sentinel
ah
chilly hemlock
the buff is just called "revenge" without the exclamation mark
sick sentinel
I know how
young harbor
question, if you have 2 impassive visage, safe to assume the heal amount would double?
sick sentinel
chilly hemlock
yeah I meant in simc
sick sentinel
but it's stored as revenge
chilly hemlock
😛
chilly hemlock
buff.revenge =
buff_creator_t( this, "revenge", find_spell( 5302 ) ).default_value( find_spell( 5302 )->effectN( 1 ).percent() );```out of the list I posted? nothing
that's all that I have left to do
- probably more that I haven't investigated yet
sick sentinel
I see I see
have no idea what to do about intercept
but it doesn't seem like a problem
chilly hemlock
Yeah the priority is just to get working dps-focused simulations
the rest can come later
sick sentinel
so rage gain and azerite traits
chilly hemlock
yeah the rage gain is there but I didn't know there was an icd on it
so I didn't implement it
learned about it earlier today :lul:
chilly hemlock
yeah
also now that I'm reading it again
I fucked it up and made it trigger on anything but aa
woopsie
sick sentinel
lmao
sick sentinel
how'd you manage that
vocal nimbus
afaik revenge has icd too
sick sentinel
something to do with s->esult_amount I assume
vocal nimbus
at least in legion
chilly hemlock
3s from spelldata, but there's another one that's hardcoded
hmm
lots of code that doesn't need to be there
vocal nimbus
3s ye
you can get a proc before those 3 seconds
but you wouldnt be able to cast
so you see the button shining with a CD on it
chilly hemlock
😕
vocal nimbus
dunno if this is relevant
chilly hemlock
that's fucked up
sick sentinel
I'm interested in seeing how you implement the icd for rage gen
sick sentinel
I just haven't seen an implementation elsewhere yet
mostly bc I don't delve outside of warrior
chilly hemlock
death knight's bone shield
sick sentinel
mmmmm
cooldown.bone_shield_icd = get_cooldown( "bone_shield_icd" );```🤔
and then you define it in the handler for bone_shield
I see
chilly hemlock
you add a bone shield icd cooldown_t object, make sure it has the right duration on init, make sure the cd is up to consume and start the cd on bone shield consumption
astral crystal
add an r in there
vocal nimbus
boner_shield would make things funnier
astral crystal
there it is
sick sentinel
because what I assume it's doing is writing an entry for bone_shield_icd
and storing it with cppp cooldown.bone_shield_icd -> start( spell.bone_shield -> internal_cooldown() );
chilly hemlock
nah it just creates the icd object
sick sentinel
cooldown.rage_from_auto_attack = timespan_t::from_seconds( 1.0 );```->duration
rather
chilly hemlock
yup
or send the timespan_t::from_seconds( 1.0 ) everytime you start it
both work
sour berry
Tbh I don't think AM is the issue - I think prot warriors just dont have enough HP this patch
chilly hemlock
not sure if one or the other is better for performance, and by how much
sick sentinel
so it rly is just as simple as cpp cooldown.rage_from_auto_attack = get_cooldown("rage_from_auto_attack" ); cooldown.rage_from_auto_attack->duration = timespan_t::from_seconds( 1.0 );
chilly hemlock
and then start/make sure it's up
sick sentinel
mhm
and fin
?
if ( specialization() == WARRIOR_PROTECTION &&
s->result_amount > 0 && ! cooldown.rage_from_auto_attack->up() ) // This is after absorbs and damage mitigation. Boo.
{
double rage_gain_from_damage_taken;
rage_gain_from_damage_taken = 50.0 * s->result_amount / expected_max_health;
resource_gain( RESOURCE_RAGE, rage_gain_from_damage_taken, gain.rage_from_damage_taken );
cooldown.rage_from_auto_attack->start( cooldown.rage_from_auto_attack->duration );
}```I don't know if just ->start() works or not
vsc doesn't yell at me
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
signal plover
ember crest
@fierce juniper @hot locust great post about protection 8.1, I think you guys are pretty spot on, my only source of contention is the "We don't really have any traits that have a significant impact on gameplay" bit. Not sure how everyone else feels, but I feel like DC is pretty much a requirement of being a decent prot warrior and it does change how we play a bit
chilly hemlock
// TODO: Update with spelldata once it's regenerated
else if ( s -> action -> special )
{
resource_gain( RESOURCE_RAGE, 3.0, gain.rage_from_damage_taken, s -> action );
}
}``` that's what I have on localI tried to find spell that holds the rage gain from damage taken
but the one I found is just empty, no icd, and fixed value for the rage gain :/
Class : Warrior
School : Physical
Spell Type : None
Attributes : ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
: ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
: ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
: ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
: ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
: ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
: ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
Effects :
#1 (id=287271) : Energize Power (30)
Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Misc Value: rage | Target: Self (1)
Description : Gained Rage due to taking a melee attack.```blegh
ember arrow
uhhhh
is this #protection metariel
it kinda is cluttering the channel
just saying
chilly hemlock
look who's talking about cluttering the channel 🙃
sick sentinel
but we should probably be in the simc dev server
sour berry
it's not really prot discussion
vocal nimbus
maybe there're some code masters hiding around here and this will lure them out to help 🤷
ember arrow
im pty sure marok is working on prot sims as we speak
ember crest
were busy working, only code monkeys you get are the ones who feel 'obligated' to fix everyone else's shit
ember arrow
@chilly hemlock yes melekus, messages like those do indeed 😃
wooden radish
merek is not working on prot sims
ember arrow
i was under the impression they got worked on
wooden radish
@hollow relic 👋
hot locust
Everybody visiting prot 👋
hollow relic
:GWnekomakiWaveBOYE:
sick sentinel
maybe I'll just go back to fury and do double geti because prot doesn't love me
ember crest
@hot locust any feedback on my earlier remark about the DC trait being pretty much a requirement?
hollow relic
Getting ready for the reroll
wooden radish
PROT WARRIOR META
hollow relic
I just need 10 levels and gear
wooden radish
WHOSE READY
remote saddle
#protisdead
hot locust
Thats the exception really @ember crest and honestly we'd still TC about the same way.
final mist
Prot is dead, just reroll to BRM already and leave this channel alone, tyvm
sand egret
and that's that
ember crest
@hot locust I agree, do you guys not feel obligated to take DC on pieces? i have a 340 with 385s in bank waiting on a high ilvl DC piece to drop, and i get that DC might be a place for us to show off and excel, but i feel pretty forced into it
ember arrow
confirmed by sal
hollow relic
I'm ready for marok to be my dad with sal as the alcoholic uncle
hot locust
Nah we do take it regardless of ilvl
fierce juniper
@ember crest The post didn't say that DC wasn't good. It just doesn't have much of an impact on gameplay.
candid vine
After playing prot whole Legion, I'm seriously considering receiving my prot pally...
Blizz says they're not going to fix us till 8.1?
final mist
@hollow relic I'm at least the cool, alcoholic uncle right?
sand egret
mostly because the fixes require client work
wooden radish
that too
candid vine
The only thing keeping me from switching is laziness at this point :P
chilly hemlock
😦
ember crest
@fierce juniper i dont disagree with that, but i felt like a mention of it being almost a requirement on all prot warriors should be in there somewhere. Is being forced into a particular trait something were ok with? I know other classes have the same issue with different traits
young harbor
its not required, you can do things without it
candid vine
I mean laziness to gear up an alt. My warior is 375 already
final mist
I'm the cool,, party uncle that disappears for months at a time and shows up with a brand new trophy wife
young harbor
its not like your character will implode if you dont do what is suggested
sand egret
Sal could be the cool alcoholic uncle we didn't know we had that happens to bring a dope present and has a hot wife
final mist
ANd then showers the family with a bunch of gifts and cool shit before disappearing for another 3 years
ember crest
I get that, thats why i wanted to just clarify if marok or lala thought of DC as a place where we can show off
chilly hemlock
"new trophy wife" being the codeword for "new fotm tank"
final mist
Maybe I am the uncle 🤔
ember arrow
people use fotm like its a bad thing
sand egret
you just 👢 🍵 👏 'd my brain...
stone crag
🤔
ember arrow
yea shame n you for picking a better class
hollow relic
@final mist yes you can be the cool alcoholic uncle
hollow relic
:ez: 🍺
final mist
poggers
hollow relic
REEEEEE
stone crag
:Thyme:
sand egret
the thing with DC is that it doesn't really change your in-the-moment decisions for the most part, it just rewards good play, more
in avatar you're still gonna be bootyclappin
hollow relic
:wtbNitro:
chilly hemlock
🏳
stone crag
🥖
ember arrow
you know what would be cool? if there was a set, every tier, taht changed the priority of a class, so that every tier you could play slightly differently
chilly hemlock
:baguetteflip:
sand egret
it is a case of a trait having a profoundly high defensive value in comparison
final mist
Nitro won't work here, Marok doesn't like us having fun
fierce juniper
correct
chilly hemlock
:pepehandsW:
ember arrow
spam the anime emotes
hollow relic
Dictator mark
stone crag
Mork
sick sentinel
Where mindy
remote saddle
doing some project
ember crest
@sand egret i get that it doesn't really change our decisions, i just thought DC was more of a required crutch right now to help smooth and that alone made it deserve more of a mention, like, are we ok with having some trait be this powerful and almost required so much that it trumps 40+ ilvls?
does anyone run mythic uldir or 10+ m+ without it?
sand egret
what you're talking about is a failure in the azerite system as a whole
and not Prot, specifically.
neon tangle
I don't think anyone -wants- DC to be so proufoundly OP
it's just that nerfing it right now is going to bad some bad shit to prot
sand egret
that's an outlier trait and not a problem with "Prot" as what the post is about
neon tangle
It's dumb, but blizz has said they don't wanna change shit up too much for this tier
sand egret
think about it this way
ember crest
its still part of our balance and the way the system is, im not trying to upheaval or anything, just wanted to have a conversation about it
sand egret
if there were three equally as good DC-levels of good, traits in 8.1
ember crest
yea that would be pretty nice
sand egret
we're a) going to have an easier time getting that trait and b) we won't feel as bad not having (or giving up for a higher ilvl) that trait because we have another one
looking at the traits coming online on the PTR, I have every reason to believe they're trying to make MORE DC'esque traits.
ember crest
i didn't see any of them as particularly close to DC in defensive power
but you mean like the way they are going?
hot locust
@ember crest I did a bunch of M G'huun without DC for a bit.
neon tangle
They already said there's gonna be another row of traits, so I expect that a lot of those will be more along the lines of a tier-set-bonus
ember crest
@hot locust were you the tank running out explosives?
sand egret
like say what you will, even the Avatar one we got recently is functionally more like a set bonus
hot locust
Nah SR them
neon tangle
I mean, it's likely that there will be an extra ring that is DC-esque, i.e. a tier-bound super-good trait
ember crest
oh shit, didnt know you could do that, ive just been taunting off for the cast and running out then swapping back on stacks
neon tangle
and then lower-value ones like we got currently (excluding the outlier that is DC)
sand egret
sadbox, from my understanding the outer ring is going to be more of spec-specific stuff and not necessarily "more powerfuL"
ember crest
it would be kinda cool to have somethings like "baseline" traits if they are going to make certain traits so powerful
that you could swap in etc
sand egret
the difference is it's just more opportunities (Triple) to get that DC trait
neon tangle
@ember crest What if you had an interface where you could just choose a few traits that you want
sand egret
let's call em "talents" 😃
neon tangle
Maybe even include some more like, non-gameplay-impacting-but-fun ones
Make it look like this:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/7/7f/Glyphs.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110123074149
ember crest
im only 3/8M, referring to my exp in heroic, @hot locust the explosive corruptions dont happen in mythic in p2 at all?
@neon tangle yea thats more what i would expect
ember crest
ah nice
hot locust
and clearing stacks on the add
ember crest
ty for clarifying
makes it seem a bit easier for us, though i think tanks have to run balls in m on p2?
or can*?
shut summit
tanks run them ya
prot warr can solo side if you feel frisky but didnt bother to do it personally
hot locust
^
ember crest
i always get within like 1 foot, i wonder if i just need a different portal placement or better intercept targets
have yet to find a VOD of a prot war doing it
hot locust
exact same way arms and fury do it
neon tangle
I am 100% confident my raid won't be able to do p1
they drop that shit in melee constantly
if 12 people had to get out of the raid
shut summit
https://clips.twitch.tv/FunMildGoatDatSheffy @ember crest
sand egret
how the heck am I supposed to propagate the Sense is Chuck Norris of Prot warriors idea when you come in here and say shit like that! You're supposed to say you don't solo the side because you're coded as a Power Matrix
shut summit
tank from limit was doin it in one of their splits
lusty grotto
lol
digital arrow
Lmao
ember crest
@shut summit ty for that, saved
oblique garnet
@ember crest if you have portal at the start its leap first then charges and you have to jump after leaping
ember crest
that jump part is probably why i was always a foot short, we had portal at start, then i did just as you said but without the jump after leap
would just immediately start charging
azure quest
Hey guys I'm new to this topic. How is prot warri atm in Raid and especially M+? Viable or garbage?
dusk locust
viable
copper tendon
i have a hard time understanding the prot warrior mastery. http://prntscr.com/l83wy6 critical block how is that calculated/done. is % chance of all blocked attacks or ?
neon tangle
@azure quest It's worth looking at the prot warrior thread on reddit
viable, but challenging, and there is a very bad community perception
and there is currently a pretty overtuned tank available, so if I was starting fresh -right now- I'd probably do a DK or BrM
sand egret
think of it like an artificial crit stat on Block
strong forum
@copper tendon you have a specific chance to crit block instead of blocking
sand egret
(but I'm pretty sure someone can give a much better answer)
final mist
@copper tendon You have 31.5% chance to critical block, but only on blocks
strong forum
When you block you have x chance for it being a crit block
sand egret
if you highlight your "Block" stat, you'll see the % blocked
final mist
Ex. Say you have 100% block chance, as you do during Shield Block. Since you have 31% chance to critically block, each time you block, you have a chance to crit block those blocks.
It's not on all attacks received, just ones you block.
sand egret
crit blocks cap at 85% reduction right?
final mist
Yes, the amount blocked is capped, but the chance can go as high as 100%.
azure quest
@neon tangle the problem is my guild forces me somehow to tank and I don't want to start a new character because I alrdy got 371 GS on my warri. Especially reputation farming is boring af,thats why i thought of tanking with prot spec
neon tangle
@azure quest Prot should be fine then ❤
sand egret
go for it
strong forum
Prot is perfectly viable, just harder than others
neon tangle
Especially if you got a guild that needs/wants you to tank
sand egret
and it's only going to get better tbh haha
neon tangle
^^^
strong forum
Don't say that too loud
sand egret
too late
earnest zinc
Getting an alt up isn't too bad
azure quest
Well then I will try my best do go for that spec 😃 Thank you very much guys
neon tangle
@azure quest around 90% of the issues right now are issues w/ people playing prot poorly, which drives a bad community preception... and it's very easy to play poorly if you don't understand how the spec works
azure quest
But its annoying af to get those ilvl on the necklace
earnest zinc
@remote wadi It's more of choosing between a more difficult time with player skill (Warrior) or dropping the time for a reroll
neon tangle
But that is fixable on an individual level, it is hard to fix the community perception tho
earnest zinc
The ilvl doesn't make a big difference
oblique garnet
Gearing an alt is pain in the ass if you dont have a group who can boost you
azure quest
CoA farming is so fucking boring,thought of getting my DH to some playable point but jesus..i dont want to do that COA shit xD
sand egret
also, this channel is a valuable resource if you wanted people to critique your performances as you learn
sand egret
as many have said, it's a more demanding spec to play but it's 100% learnable
earnest zinc
Also it will be shared in 8.1
neon tangle
I'm 368 equipped and I'm too lazy to level/gear up a new tank
and prot is getting buffs in 8.1 prolly
azure quest
Well maybe then i'll start to tank with my dh..hopefully VDH won't be trash for M+ or Raid xD
neon tangle
so no reason for me to swap
VDH afaik is almost never mentioned
so you're prolly safe-ish 😛
prot + guardian are slated for buffs, BrM and DK are slated for nerfs
VDH and pallies are kinda the middle ground
azure quest
I'm just so undecided which char I want to go for
kinda scared I won't be able to go for high keys on prot warri
neon tangle
It's not super surprising that the two classes w/ 100% AM uptime are on top right now I suppose
oblique garnet
Define high keys
azure quest
well I'd say sth like 10 atm
dusk locust
prot warriors are clearing 15+s
azure quest
or 15+
oblique garnet
^
sand egret
if you have a group that can do +15s then you can do it with Prot, imho
you'll prob have to approach it differently....but that's kinda the point of M+ imho
neon tangle
For higher level keys are you guys doing double-packs?
remote wadi
@earnest zinc you pinged the wrong person
neon tangle
or just executing well on single packs
azure quest
Well as long as it's doable as prot warri i think i'll be fine with that
just need to learn some new shit xD
sand egret
as +15's right now are considered top end, it's not surprising you don't see many Warriors. I'd say that's simply because BDK's are just, well better to run with. Better =/= the other option is bad tho
or....be the first badass Warrior to do that insane key 😄 Someone's gonna have to be the first.
oblique garnet
Be the insane warrior who does the +16 shrine this week ON TIME
sand egret
i'm so, so sorry
junior ivy
but im glad to know its actually really hard and i dont just REALLY suck
cause i thought it was only me who was struggling
sand egret
I did one and it was miserable
sand egret
Yeah.....your group didn't rage quit
junior ivy
we were all guildies lol
sand egret
haha well I don't have those cat, so there is less tolerance in my pugs
junior ivy
i got a 5 siege on my druid i think..
i am terrified of grievous
or mayeb its 4 i dunno
oblique garnet
Siege shouldnt be that bad
merry cave
Greivous ain't so bad as a druid
mossy ember
Are there any good log analyzer programs for prot? I checked and our tank was overlapping shield block with last stand a lot and assuming he’s using bolster I thought that was wrong.
neon tangle
@mossy ember Nothing automated as far as I know, people in here will take a look at logs normally tho
mossy ember
Ok thank you
sand egret
but yeah, you're right in assuming that
sb + bolster + last stand is what Bladesong does. Don't be like Bladesong.
mossy ember
Lol
lusty grotto
@mossy ember you can post logs in #449510248579858432 or ask us here
but yeah you shouldn't SB during LS
mossy ember
I’ll keep that in mind thank you
primal crypt
That protection wattior article was delicious
Warrior even
Absolutely great read, my legs are asleep on the toilet right now
ember crest
incoming hemorrhoids
sand egret
meh, Ignore that shit.
oblique garnet
Symptoms that you might main prot warrior; Masochisms, Carpal tunnel and now hemorroids?
sand egret
you forgot the classic sign
Fear of Rocks.
I get sweats whenever I walk by a gravel driveway
oblique garnet
Ah yes the flashbacks
unkempt marlin
Hey all, was just wondering if i am doing something wrong with my warrior. (It is my alt) so not 100% up todate with it. Do i still gem/enchant haste or is it versa now?
mellow bridge
Carpal tunnel?
I see you guys haven't played a REAL game like osu Kappa
You gem haste
oblique garnet
Please
unkempt marlin
Cheers, thats what i thought it was still
mellow bridge
Idk if you guys ever played LoL, but that's the only game that ever gave me slight wrist pain when I played it semi pro for half a year or so
uneven mason
sand egret
I'm a QA analyst in the industry. I get wrists guards from work for this very reason haha
don't get me started on wrist pain
oblique garnet
League and starcraft are the games that caused me to have insane pain in the wrists
mellow bridge
Idk how people can be professionals in eg Starcraft where you have 300 + apm for the entire game
oblique garnet
Now playing prot for around 3 hours in m+ does the same
mellow bridge
Prot doesn't give me any issues in that regard but maybe I bettered my wrist position without noticing it
Last time I had any pain was like 3 years ago
ember crest
lots of wrist protection, breaks, stretches, and exercises
ember crest
proper seating/table height
sand egret
rally point spam, etc
ember crest
counting workers
mellow bridge
O yeah I'm aware of that
oblique garnet
I dont have an mmo mouse so half of my bindings are from keyboard
sand egret
it's the best
ember crest
mmo mice are gross
sand egret
i'll never play WoW without mine
sand egret
i tried it once and it felt like I went back to like keyboard turning
mellow bridge
@oblique garnet same
sand egret
something about being able to always have full control over movement is something I can't go without anymore
mellow bridge
Sorry if I'm sending any messages double, my mobile Internet is acting up
I only have two extra buttons on my mouse and man it gets complicated at times
Having everything with hot keys when you add in stuff like marks pots etc..
Yikes
sand egret
I still do use some keyboard cuts, but in terms of like my basic buttons (TClap, SS, etc) it's on my mouse
my keyboard ones are usually my 1-time presses
mellow bridge
I use my mousewheel to mount up and my side buttons for charge and taunt
Everything else has to be keyboard
sand egret
but still few and far between (namely SB, as Bladesong is infamously bad at double-tapping SB)
and dying in shame
Don't be like Bladesong.
mellow bridge
I've been leveling a paladin lately
I got a macro for my bubble so I can cancel it with the same button again
I didn't realize it was in the gcd so when I was spam clicking the button
mellow bridge
I bubbled and instantly removed it again
sand egret
haha yeah be careful with those...
sand egret
Funny story, I was writing some macros back in the day and in a flurry of copy/pasting I by accident added a cancel aura line to another ability.....
canceling my trinket buff
so here's my dumb ass getting pissed at this shitty trinket cuz I never see that buff.....turns out I had been canceling it everytime I pressed that command
fathom marten
neon tangle
That seems real good
sick sentinel
this is one of the best news we had in BfA so far
digital arrow
Ayyyyy
sick sentinel
a reliable way to get a 385 DC trait
neon tangle
also, no more azerite armor from caches
makes getting good shit from there a lil' more targeted at least too
mellow bridge
Sounds good but I dislike this "premium price" for a targeted piece
sick sentinel
neet blue post.
mellow bridge
Just remove the rnd option and make the targeted normal price
sick sentinel
Glad I've been saving every single pice of 340+ azerite armor I've gotten.
lots of 370+ from raid to scrap. :>
frosty wedge
sick sentinel
and warfront, emissaries, etc
sick sentinel
At least they are doing it as early as possible unlike legion legendaries
reef fulcrum
the problem I see with this is the community perception on prot warriors. I struggle to get accepted into mythic+ groups every week even though I'm 374 ilvl.
dense flame
Form your own group. Boost your score
Tends to be the only way to combat community perception.
sick sentinel
Reading that blue post about m+ and azerite armor
dense flame
With anything against meta
sick sentinel
I am always forming my own group
100% of the time
385 DEAFING CRASH HERE I COME YOU FUCK
8.1 needs to be here NOW
exotic tiger
so I need to work out
exact pieces I want
I've also kept every piece of azerite I've gotten so pog
sick sentinel
You just need 1 Deaf Crash
And the best piece is from Temple of snake
Since it has lifespeed/shield
oblique garnet
God bless
exotic tiger
basically wakening essences for azerite
sick sentinel
^
azerite essences.
🤷
It also reinforces people to do +10
To get more of the currency
neon tangle
Hopefully they get prot warriors worked out by then so it's a bit easier to do +15's and shit
restive matrix
But if I understand correctly, the only sources of pieces to DE will be from emissaries and raiding. So you get your weekly amount of DE mats from the chest, then just have to hope for raid drops or emissaries for more DE mats
mellow bridge
I usually scrapped them. And sold the mats so I prolly can't get that many back :/
Will see tmr
sick sentinel
Wonder if I can restore some azerites I had DE'd. I still have a lot of them, but still.
mellow bridge
@restive matrix could run m 0 as well for a lower amount
restive matrix
True
restive matrix
Only weekly
exotic tiger
nah
restive matrix
So it is still really heavily gated if I understand it correctly
restive matrix
There is still a pretty hard weekly cap on how much we can earn though
neon tangle
@restive matrix It just says "epic quality"
sick sentinel
It works on any purple azerite gear, but you get the most of it from weekly and +10's
neon tangle
so I'm guessing 340 pieces will count too
exotic tiger
run all 0s
neon tangle
HEY GUYS, this will give people a reason to farm warfronts
restive matrix
Ughhh
oblique garnet
Warfronts are easy to farm anyways
neon tangle
Blizz wins in the end
restive matrix
I like the system, just feel like some of the mat should drop from the chest at the end of the dungeon
restive matrix
@oblique garnet Its not that warfronts are hard to farm, its that I dont like feeling like i have to farm M0 and warfronts for a convoluted way of getting 385 gear
which you’ll earn from your weekly Mythic+ chest as well as from scrapping (or disenchanting) epic-quality Azerite Armor.
It only says weekly chest
light oasis
The paragraph near the end says they’re looking to have it take 2-3 weeks per piece
sick sentinel
For example, completing a level 10 Keystone will reward you with about three times as much as clearing a level 7. Similarly, scrapping higher-item-level Azerite pieces will give you significantly higher amounts of this currency than lower-level piec
restive matrix
Yeah, in your weekly chest
exotic tiger
its double good cause you can target pieces with different inner ring stuff
oblique garnet
I take that system over this what it is now
exotic tiger
like bulwark for m+ etc
restive matrix
Its an improvement for sure
oblique garnet
Idgaf if i have to farm m0 or warfronts for a day
It beats having to deal with rng bullshit that rewards you one monelite once a week
restive matrix
Yes, it is an improvement for sure
A huge improvement
Doesnt mean it cant still be somewhat shit
sick sentinel
Look through your item restore list and get back all 340+ azerite armors.
restive matrix
I kept all my azerite
sick sentinel
Same
neon tangle
I'm fairly OK w/ how they're handling it, I think especially going forward there will be less "go farm old shit" cases
It's just a bit weird right now when we're all looking for specific piece X
sick sentinel
Of course we are all happy but I just remembered
neon tangle
and have everything else we need
sick sentinel
this is blizzard and being fair is not who they are
oblique garnet
I like that they made it possible to choose a dungeon where you want loot from
restive matrix
This sounds like it is explicitly adding reason to go farm old shit ie. M0s weekly, and warfronts when available
sick sentinel
So those azerite pre 8.1 gear wont work
It has to be the "New" azerite gear with new rings
Its going to happen
neon tangle
@restive matrix I take it as "lets make azerite armor drops less random, and have a sort of bad luck protection for when RNG sucks"
restive matrix
For sure, as I said, its an improvement for sure, and a big one
neon tangle
and as wow players we all go "WAIT CAN WE FARM THAT BAD LUCK PROTECTION"
restive matrix
Still sounds flawed though sadly
Oh god, and doing LFR for more azerite now to DE
Kill me
neon tangle
honestly, I bet that the amount given from 340 pieces will be super small
and you'll only get decent amounts from 370/385 pieces
restive matrix
I hope so
neon tangle
would "solve" people trying to farm it
restive matrix
Yeah
Especially depending on how they price eveything, could make the low level azerite from the vendor realy cheap comparatively, so new ppl get value from DE'in 340s, and ppl looking for 385s wont
mild echo
it's such a convoluted solution to the underlying problem, which is that azerite gear not dropping in M+ doesn't really make sense. I mean, I'll take it, more control is better than less, but what a weird hill to choose to die on
restive matrix
I feel like making azerite possible drops from only timed runs would be a decent'ish solution
Maybe also have the azerite drop as lower ilvl, but allow timed 11s and up to drop higher azerite
neon tangle
I think that having to bet on the randomness of which keys you get + an even larger loot table to roll on
mild echo
they made a dungeon, they gave it a loot table, that loot table scales with difficulty.. but JUST THESE PIECES you can't have.
doesn't make sense
neon tangle
I was bummed trying to get a DC piece from m0 originally
restive matrix
I always thought that timed vs not-timed did not have drastically different rewards
neon tangle
expanding that to m+ would only make it worse
restive matrix
Like if ppl had to do timed 15s for 385 azerite, that does not seem unreasonable
neon tangle
Loading up BDKs with more gear than most of the other tanks seems like it will be a bad time
oblique garnet
oh god going through the item restoration sorting out all the azerite gear jesus
mellow bridge
I hope selling our old azerite actually works
neon tangle
imho any time you gate gear behind what's fairly high keys (+15 skews pretty heavily towards BDK, and anything that high over the "cap" for the season will always end up skewing towards whatever tank is strongest)
mellow bridge
Inb4 it only works with the new pieces
neon tangle
when you target stuff at an already skewed metric you'll end up in a feedback loop where slightly strong class X will get more gear, and in turn be able to more easily farm for those pieces
oblique garnet
I have like 30 pages of bunch of crap that i have vendored from old raids dear lord
sick sentinel
Restored 10 more azerite armors 340-385 here also. Out of like... 130 pages were of monel bracers.
which I scrapped.
stark sage
you can only scrap gear post 8.1 for the currency
although there is some value in restoring your old azerite, as i think they will add the new ring of traits to old gear as well
sick sentinel
its a good thing I did too actually. couple of these armors super useful for my arms set for DPS boost in hindsight.
limber wigeon
i was really hoping that holding onto 12 pairs of 340 shoulders would have been actually useful
sick sentinel
Executioner's Precision ♥
ember crest
im just happy if my bad luck persists ill have a road to that 380+ DC piece
sick sentinel
so many azerite armors.
makes LFR a little more attractive to get another piece or 2 possibly/week.
neon tangle
I do hope that it doesn’t force me to farm warfronts + LFR + m0
By 9.0 this might work out to be a good expansion
sand egret
so like, I dont quite get why people are upset by these changes in respect to notion that it would be “better if it just dropped in M+”
plain vapor
"Only Azerite Armor that drops after Tides of Vengeance is released will scrap/disenchant into the new currency. Don't worry about hoarding the Azerite pieces you're earning now." gg @ whoever said theyve been savin
sand egret
you’re not only increasing the probability of getting a shield/trinket from your cache while simultaneously be able to deterministically control more thab 1/4th your gear
steel mauve
the people upset by it are the ones who can get bis traits from the raid
mild echo
I think it would be better if it dropped in M+, but it seems silly to get upset by these changes.. they're moves in the right direction
sand egret
it’d be worse, though
prisma crane
inb4 guilds funnel AZ gear to specific players to get BiS items early
sand egret
meh, we call that in the industry “destructive” behavior
prisma crane
it's not though
sand egret
it totally is
prisma crane
guilds that do that will have players get items they need right away
gives new value to split runs
sand egret
sure, but that also can be extrapolated to having each of those key players have their own designated M0 group with all the same armor class (which currently happens). Do you explicitly design around what the top 1% will do to get ahead?
prisma crane
I'm just saying that people will do it
sand egret
of course
prisma crane
i don't get why they dont just let it drop and be done with it
sand egret
because it would be worse....
prisma crane
i mean we can target gear, so that's a big step
ember crest
people might only sit on specific M+s, not to mention you need the key
sand egret
disjointing it from system allows it to be engaged with on a far broader level
prisma crane
i mean, at this point though, i'd almost rather it just be a means to add ilvl up to a cap to AZ gear you already have
it's the same outcome but with upgrade over time instead of one and done
sand egret
the piece needs to be obtained
prisma crane
and gives some benefit to those who already have higher ilvls via luck or raid or w/e
obtaining a piece isnt hard if ilvl doesnt matter
sand egret
its RNG based
prisma crane
take a 340 and make the cost to upgrade to 385 the same as just buying the 385
prisma crane
difference with upgrades being that you can actually use the piece while you benefit from the grind
and you're being very hyperbolic
if the base 340 is all you need
it's not hard to target
the only benefit to having a one and done purchase is that it feels good to get that massive leap
but you'll get there faster if you do more dmg or heal more or tank better incrementally along the way
but the upgrade will feel less substantial along the way, even though end result is the same
just a thought
mild echo
I like being able to target, I just think it still doesn't make sense that it doesn't drop in M+.
prisma crane
agreed
they're jsut being stubborn
but
if you can buy it now
you'd rather it not drop
so you can more easily target other items
mild echo
yeah, I can certainly see that side
mossy tiger
Hey Team, Does 'Brace for Impact' stack?
prisma crane
yes
mild echo
it does
mossy tiger
❤
sand egret
I just see M+ dropping pieces as the solution is a) lazy and b) doesnt actually solve the underlying issues
either way, no point in beating a dead horse, its a good thing
mild echo
yep
sand egret
(also allows them to make quite powerful traits now) 😃
mild echo
i've got lots of other things to get steamed over, nice to cross one off the list
daring marlin
@prisma crane I agree with you 100%
prisma crane
which part, i speak a lot >.< lol
daring marlin
The leveling of azerite with a currency instead.
prisma crane
yea, that way, if i get let's say...
a 370 AZ piece that's good
i can save currency
daring marlin
For sure.
prisma crane
otherwise, anything under max becomes helpful, but only temporary
junior ivy
so these new changes are good?
prisma crane
better than we have now, yes
prisma crane
think...um... purchasing a385 DC piece yea
and now you can be anal and target deeper traits too now
since you'd have the pick of all DC items
etc
sick sentinel
Couple quick clarifications based on feedback so far:
Only Azerite Armor that drops after Tides of Vengeance is released will scrap/disenchant into the new currency. Don't worry about hoarding the Azerite pieces you're earning now.
When the next Mythic+ season starts, and item levels increase, the item levels of Thaumaturge Vashreen's wares will increase accordingly.
We recognize that PvPers want more options and choice too. We're talking about that separately.
rip Azerite dreams CRUSHED
chilly brook
Ugh
I look at the post
And it sounded great
Until they said that the boxes were rng and the specific pieces would be a “premium”
🤦🏻♂️
tiny sphinx
jaina will kill azshara with us
chilly brook
And why don’t we get currency for each m+ completed?
steel mauve
did we for the lego currency?
prisma crane
they want to give us gear, but dont want us to actually be able to grind for it
you know, that'd be too RPG i guess
/s
what i dont understand
is that if gear has RNG to it, why can't it just rain down
either make gear static and slow to obtain, or RNG and drop like candy
right now it's a lot like the worst of both scenarios
oblique garnet
The boxes being rng isnt an issue
If its a specific azerite piece that you can get
Theres what 2 per dungeon?
prisma crane
i mean WF/TF/tertiary, etc
prisma crane
i was responding to griff saying we dont get currency for the dungeons
meaning you can't grind the currency very easily
not that it should be super fast
but idk why if someone wants to grind real hard, why they can't get it sooner
oblique garnet
Depends
If rng is on your side when the patch hits and the weekly bonus is one extra item from the last boss of the dungeon
prisma crane
the ONE thing i miss from WoD is that there was a point where i could actually be "done" and dont have a treadmill
instead, if i want to min/max, i have to play a moderate amount, weekly
instead of a lot when i feel liek it, and chill for a bit
and in the latter
i can do a moderate amount weekly as well, only there, the choice is my own
oblique garnet
Well idk im at a point in bfa rn where i have 3 characters pretty much pimped out as to where the only baseline upgrades would be from mythic raids and weekly 380 piece
So until 8.1 hits theres not much for me to do
prisma crane
well, either way, this change is nicer than we have now
but i'll remain skeptical on 8.1 until i see stuff for prot
oblique garnet
ofc thats the natural thing to do
prisma crane
and tbh
oblique garnet
The key is to set your expectations low
oblique garnet
exactly the reason im not playing bdk
prisma crane
i know it's subjective, but the cocaine addict playstyle of prot in days past is so much better than what we have now
Marok's and Lala's post talk about how important Anger Management is for us
oblique garnet
I didnt play prot in legion so i wouldnt know
prisma crane
and how it contributes to a lot of the fun of the class
oblique garnet
I didnt play legion that much at all tbh i didnt like the expansion
prisma crane
the way we can essentially play with teh duration of our CDs
by how well we use rage
well that feeling was 100x better in legion
you could watch ability CDs jsut melt
and it was fast and i felt like there was room for me to play better even if the baseline of survival became trivial
frozen berry
So they said you can scrap azerite gear from mythic dungeons to get the currency. So is this going to be making people run m0 to get the gear to scrap each week?
stark sage
depends on how valuable they are
sand egret
as with anything technically grindable...sure?
if exchange of 340s is shit then prob not, though.
stark sage
if its a shit return rate, most won't bother
neon tangle
I think it really depends on the value, kinda like how you get 10x sanguicell or whatever from heroic
sand egret
yeah if you need 10k and a 340
gives like 10
sand egret
memes aside some people see it that way
frozen berry
Wouldn’t m0 give higher ilvl in 8.1 since everything will be going up in ilvl?
sand egret
but so will the max
prisma crane
but so would the items ur targetting @frozen berry
frozen berry
Yeah I can just imagine blizz making us grind more stuff that’s tedious. They probably won’t be worth a lot, but considering how many each dungeon can drop, they being tradeable and all, stacking a particular armor type and running through the gambit of them all and feeding your main raiders the azerite that drops.
grim prism
Whats this I hear about Holinka being back
amber siren
As long as I can target pieces idc if it's grindy, I'd prefer grind than whether or not I grab the DC piece out of the claw machine
astral crystal
dont worry goyim, only 4 weeks of opening that weekly chest until you can obtain your targetted piece of armor :^) oy vey!
steep lily
Or next raid just drops a DC piece and it doesn't really matter.
astral crystal
you know it's probably convenient for the raid to not drop a dc piece
sick sentinel
@chilly brook can you link me your video fam?
sick sentinel
the "you are playing protection warrior wrong in BfA" one
can't find it on yt
oh nvm you changed the title I guess
oblique garnet
the title on reddit was that one
chilly brook
@sick sentinel https://youtu.be/p4M73w_EOH4
The reddit title and the video title were different
sick sentinel
Oh ok
Thanks fam
Recruited a warrior to my guild today with tank offspec and he has been tanking with devastator and punish
Was too bored to teach him stuff
Will just send him this video and them let him ask questions later 😋
junior ivy
dumb question but do you get azerite power from m+s
junior ivy
do you get a lot
sick sentinel
Like 200-300
They didn't want the "run MoS a thousand times for AP" again
But people do not care about AP anyway, and if you do, then just run islands or some shit
mossy ember
so getting a weakaura for ignore pain absorb amount seems weird
primal crypt
Only Azerite Armor that drops after Tides of Vengeance will scrap or disenchant into the new currency.
GG
soft kindle
can't farm it up now, ya
obtuse venture
it would be stupid if it was farmable now
sick sentinel
True
obtuse venture
like no1 would trade azerite anymore from now if that was the case.
primal crypt
and the item restores lol
royal oasis
I have a decent IP weak aura. Just shows the amount and remaining time
supple path
@mossy ember The proper weakauras more than just the absorb amount show you if you're good to cast it again or not - since the absorb caps at 130% of initial value, it's only appropriate to recast if either rage capped or at <=30% of initial absorb
mossy ember
oh wow
sick sentinel
It is pinned
mossy ember
ty
royal oasis
That too
sick sentinel
If the number is green it means it will overcap
If it is white it means you will get full absorb
primal crypt
Adulation yeah?
sick sentinel
Virtue imo
royal oasis
Yeah the ilvl is generally better
obtuse venture
avoidance is almost worthless
sick sentinel
Especially for tanks
royal oasis
I remember having 20% avoidance on Argus prog...that was amazing xD
obtuse venture
tertiary stats are generally worthless
sick sentinel
Well argus was different
sick sentinel
@obtuse venture speed is pretty Pog though
obtuse venture
running away from mobs faster pogMONKASchamp
royal oasis
Makes you charge in faster too
sick sentinel
I am keeping my speed pieces and making a speed set
royal oasis
:^)
soft kindle
leech or bust tbh
flint prism
How much money do i need to give blizzard to give me a 395 shield from vectis?
sick sentinel
Real talk now, if the only change we receive was "you can now block rocks and shots" we would be in a great place I feel
Also wrenches oh god
soft kindle
IP off the gcd so I can enjoy playing it again
Like prot for tanking alt or social raids, but ree
sick sentinel
IP off the GCD just means more devastates
steep lily
I mean, the shield block icon does show an arrow. It's only fair for class fantasy reasons to be able to block shots.
chrome falcon
@sick sentinel I can't tell if you're being serious but this stuff about needing to be able to block ranged attacks is INCREDIBLY overblown
It's like 3 mobs in the entire expansion
Just use shield wall
soft kindle
wot
chrome falcon
Like yes it doesn't make sense
soft kindle
It's a tad more than three mobs
chrome falcon
It really isn't
sick sentinel
No man, its in tol dagor, it is in freehold and in motherlode off the top of my head
chrome falcon
It's like 2 archers in KR
A few guys in motherlode who cast it ONCE when you pull them
And 3 mobs in tol dagor
chrome falcon
3 mob names
It is not a big deal in terms of the greater balance of the class
I do these dungeons on 15 and am nowhere near as worried about them as you guys seem to be they are not that scary
We have much bigger concerns
sick sentinel
I really want to see your +15s as a warr
lusty grotto
eh i've been around for a long time @chrome falcon 😃
sick sentinel
Last week sure but this week I am getting destroyed
neat harbor
hlo all. Is there a bfa armor damage reduction% calculator anywhueres?
steel mauve
any one have a log of fathoms on a raid boss?
neat harbor
cause I know the calculations have changed from expac to expac
sick sentinel
I thing there is one in the pins
sick sentinel
It either got unpinned because it was outdated or I am delusional
neat harbor
All good, we can find that out rather easily - How many people do you "see" in the room with you right now?
sick sentinel
LOL
twin eagle
Is is archive of the titans on a headpiece significant enough to not replace a 355 with a 370 world drop azerite helm?
355 Gridrunner Gala vs. 370 with callous reprisal
obtuse venture
370
sick sentinel
Depends if you are in uldir or not
steel mauve
only trait to lose ilvl for is DC
sick sentinel
Because 500+ haste should outweigh 15 ilvls
But outside of reorg array just wear the highest ilvl
chilly brook
@lusty grotto it’s a few days old and buried
willow shell
Would a 370 disc with socket outweigh blockades? I don't feel like I'm dying enough and the socket / strength gain would be overall better
willow shell
RRightio
Thank you
Seems like for pure defensive ability it's a mix of Jes / blockades, then the Eye fits a bit below that, then the others are just use as you get / ilvl ?
If you don't need the survivability
amber siren
yeah that's the tl;dr, once you start getting 380+ trinkets then it becomes a bit more tricky
willow shell
Cool, thank you
covert comet
370 [Polished Shieldbearer's Breastplate] vs 355 [Chestplate of Apocalyptic Machinations]
whats better? im thinking the 355 for the azerite traits.
covert comet
nah just thought laser matrix might be nice.
chrome falcon
laser matrix sucks
covert comet
wasnt sure how much it helps in raid.
covert comet
thought that may be the case. but okay thanks 😃
chrome falcon
obviously you want 1 uldir piece no matter what (unless you lose DC)
the only time you think about dropping ilvl is for your first uldir piece and deafening crash
every other time just ignore it
sucks losing BFI and Ablative for Callous Reprisal and Gutripper but that's just how the wonderful system works
covert comet
i got one at least. the helm
sick sentinel
topaz ember
i got a 385 piece with dc but my guild wanted me to go arms so i'm not even using it
broken kite
finite gull
Man, I wish victory rush worked the same as the Vamp speed trait. Enemy harmed dies not "get the killing blow"
prisma night
Theyd have to lower the heal if that were the case id imagine
mossy ember
i know the tank dmd is good but how much better than 365 pvp trinkets? Vers use str and str use vers?