Oh well
#protection
sick sentinel
chrome falcon
and suddenly we have to sit there for like 10 seconds while the druid spams wrath to get them out of his roots
sick sentinel
Heroic throw nerd
frosty wedge
I le thim tangle, then let himbreak it and taunt
frosty wedge
lol
sick sentinel
I mean it's not but ok
chrome falcon
I mean it definitely is but sure
sick sentinel
I mean it's not because it's taken me 3-5
Also I can just go and SS them
And then leap back to get them to follow
chrome falcon
Yeah just waltz up to the +15 caster packs and shield slam the infested mob
No worries
I'm not saying it doesn't work
Its just way more annoying than literally every other CC ability in the game
chrome falcon
But you don't need it
sick sentinel
Casters don't just stop castkng because their rooted
chrome falcon
... that's my point?
While you walk up to shield slam it
They're casting on you
And you're fucking dead
frosty wedge
man, do the first boss in KR with a boomkin that knows what he's doing - it's definitely worth it in some situations
sick sentinel
It's always worth it
chrome falcon
We're not talking about the first boss in KR
We're talking about trash
As clearly indicated by me talking about infested mobs
frosty wedge
oh this convo started b/c I mentioned my Boomy friend MEing first boss adds in KR, lol
chrome falcon
Sure there are like 2 bosses where it's useful, it is just annoying on trash
frosty wedge
anyway, being able to mass CC whole packs indefinitely is incredibly powerful
frosty wedge
it's not at al though, I've seen wipes saved by ME
chrome falcon
It's really slow
chrome falcon
You would much rather just use better CC and speed up
lusty grotto
right its bad with sanguine
frosty wedge
like a healer backs into a pack and the boomy just MEs the whole pack
it's only bad if you ME over sanguine
which I don't even know how that would happen
sick sentinel
Fat finger
chrome falcon
Also if you aren't taking typhoon on a sanguine week then yikes
sand egret
Oh, well I had to deal with not one but TWO boomkins using Treants when mobs are at 10% hp.....like how you gonna say we pushin this key when you are literally resetting the pack every time with that shit
I love me some wood bois don't get me wrong, but them dumb shits will sit happy in sanguine until the cows come home
daring marlin
LOL
frosty wedge
yeah no you use that shit at the beginning of puls, not at 10%, lol
lusty grotto
i mean, there's too much room for error
sick sentinel
Use abilities intelligently.
Esp love it when rogues/rets stun in the pools as other mobs dying
sand egret
also a gem from last night:
To the DH: "can you interrupt this caster out of the pool"
"It's on CD"
"....the mob literally didn't cast anything yet....."
yep, he attempted to interrupt a stunned mob
sand egret
yep.
sick sentinel
DHs I feel def the new huntards these days since legion.
sand egret
meta-commentary: Boosts + artificially raised classes (Dks and DHs) are counter-productive to creating good habits with understanding how a spec works
sick sentinel
The two in my guilds raid try/sometimes push top DPS usually, but almost always wipe them on mechanics or fail to do any interrupts.
Mythic+ too
sand egret
I get that leveling blows, but man it's painfully obvious when you see a boosted char...especially when they're in a M+ only to "discover" they had X ability
sick sentinel
Reading is a hard skill
sand egret
it's why I'll always be a supporter of making casters, in general, way more dangerous while leveling
sick sentinel
Mythic Zek'vhoz comes to mind. Always failing pools, or wiping out our melee with eye beams.
Why bother learning what your ability does when u think u know what it does
sand egret
leveling in vanilla was like pull 2 mobs and you're doing some crazy shit, so I remember throwing out all my CC (played a Rogue so I was sapping, blinding and shit) to just quest
that's where I personally learned how impactful an interupt is
"Oh, i'm not taking ANY damage...." 🤔 "this seems like a thing to do"
sick sentinel
Evasion let's me Dodge 100%? That's crazy
sand egret
Kidney Shot....exists
sand egret
apparently I'm one of the weird ones that get a straight dopamine hit when I interupt something haha
sick sentinel
Feelsgood
Just angers me whenever I talk to people and they are like I know what it does but don't know exactly what it does
Had warriors that didn't know prots charge can target friendly
Im like, did u fucking read anything in ur spellbook
sand egret
you're preaching to the choir
part of my job is literally writing those tooltips, knowing my players will most likely never read them. Seriously, it's rough haha
"this sucks, I can't do X"
"actually, if you use Y it allows you to do X"
"What? How the fuck am I supposed to know that?"
"It's right there in the descri-"
"I don't read that shit!"
sand egret
oh....how long it took me to realize that mobs will ALWAYS face you....I spent so much time jumping around the Barrens trying to backstab shit
sick sentinel
Hey man, my pet cat taunts adds
It will work on players because the trailer told me it would
sand egret
Biggest offender is Taunt, imho
sick sentinel
Listen u kill my cat then u fight me
sand egret
mostly because it's a weird functionality that isn't apparent. In fact, it's probably shocking how many Tanks don't understand how taunt works
sick sentinel
I want to make a joke but I can't find one
sick sentinel
And the problem now is that taunting in pvp is a thing because of a talent
Good or bad, it's like fucking hell
sand egret
well at least it doesn't force your character to attack you
sick sentinel
Yeah but it gives a really bad impression of how taunt works
sand egret
oh no doubt
sick sentinel
It make damage go up if I taunt
sand egret
to be fair, from a threat perspective that isn't "wrong" per se haha
sick sentinel
It's like no but yes but no
sand egret
but to me it's the concept that it doesn't give you any threat baseline
but rather it sets your threat to +1 of the highest current
so it's the people who pull with taunt alone and wonder why the fucker runs off is what gets me
or how aggro works diff between melee vs ranged, or even what that number MEANS on the top of the mobs' default nameplate (or the colors)
sick sentinel
It's why I try to never use taunt at start unless I'm going into a big add group
lusty grotto
haha i remember the first time i tanked in vanilla... SM - i was spamming taunt because that's how warriors tanked in EQ1
then friends told me to spam sunder armors instead
sick sentinel
Remember to stack ur three sunders before u dps shitlord
lusty grotto
EQ1 tanking was pretty much spam Taunt and have Avatar of War weapon
it was 5 tho
sunders
at first
sand egret
Or you have your GM also be the main warrior tank and force you (the rogue) to always open with a 5 point expose armor
that fucker just didn't want to hit Sunder
sick sentinel
Yeah well fuck you three sunders is what the time ur allowed before dps lose their mind
lusty grotto
lol
sand egret
can confirm, the true origin of why Rogues always jump when dps'ing is actually it was a method used to pace their initial burst
#PossiblyTrueWoWFacts
lusty grotto
we did
lusty grotto
i mean i used Omen for skittish in legion
sand egret
although, any smart Rogue back in the day just Vanished in their opener
as it was basically required haha
sand egret
skittish is one of my fav affixes because it reminds me of tanking back in the day. a guilty pleasure, if you will
old zephyr
You mean you were making sûre not to do to much threat rather than yelling at the tank ?
lusty grotto
it used to be fun, now i just 👢 🍵 👏 it and np np
sand egret
welll, I couldn't yell at the tank
yeah well 👢 🍵 👏 does make that a non-affix haha
(the tank was also my GM haha)
lusty grotto
lol
sand egret
it all changed when he got the Thunderfury....never had to worry about threat again. God Bless that stupid proc.
lusty grotto
haha
digital arrow
Lmao blade.. that guilty pleasure
lusty grotto
remember AQ/Naxx, having TF made you a instant main tank
lusty grotto
you could be 100% fucking trash
sand egret
like....imagine that mitigation value now
lusty grotto
and wipe the raid on Sapphiron by stepping out of your goddamn LoS iceberg
sand egret
and NEGATIVE NATURE RESIST
lusty grotto
but you were still main tank cause you had TF
fucking happend to us, i hated that fucking retard
sand egret
like imagine a weapon that was like "oh if I used this all shadow damage for the raid goes up 15%"
lusty grotto
people raged so much, they broke headsets and keyboard so we couldn't try him again lol
but he was MT because he had TF!
sand egret
haha oh ours was funny, as all the other senior officers who knew him IRL were like..."well now you have no excuse to suck, we just invested all that into your ass"
sand egret
we got worlds for Naxx so it worked out 😃
lusty grotto
nice
chilly brook
So just curious, why weren’t druids ever tanks in vanilla? I understand why pallys weren’t
glad tinsel
Crushing blows
lusty grotto
they became gods in BC though
sand egret
if you're not familiar, it was an type of hit a boss could deliver that was different than a "crit"
chilly brook
I remember crushing blows
sand egret
yeah, that was the biggest reason
chilly brook
They just got relegated to something you negated through gearing iirc back in Wrath
lusty grotto
i think they had low armor to begin with and no decent threat maintenance
plus agi gear instantly went to rogues
lots of shit
sand egret
with high gear levels their stam and dodge made up for it
sand egret
but it was like.....diceroll "shit, well I'm dead"
lusty grotto
lol
sand egret
#RNGTanks
lusty grotto
bears tanked really well @ heroics early BC though
chilly brook
It’s an odd idea that bear was originally a dodge tank
daring marlin
Druids were good for one thing in wrath
lusty grotto
mangle and armor via agi made up for it
chilly brook
Like
daring marlin
KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
sand egret
conceptually it is quite silly
daring marlin
fantastic
sand egret
yeah, I just think of that dancing bear gif
chilly brook
Same
lusty grotto
Bear that trains in 10000g with Goku
sand egret
the hilarious part was...they tried to do that AGAIN in WotLK with Blood tanking
daring marlin
frost dk was where it was at
sand egret
"You be the Parry tank!"
"uh....that didn't quite work out befo..."
"TOO BAD
daring marlin
all the armor and cds
chilly brook
I was never a fan that they moved the “tank spec” to blood
daring marlin
busted fuckers
chilly brook
I frost being the “tank spec” much better
sand egret
I understand why, but I did like the aspect that their specs weren't "role" definied
chilly brook
But their trees needed a rework period cuz like all you needed to be a tank was 10 points or so
sand egret
like total bullshit, but it at least sold the "hero class"
chilly brook
It was unintuitive that was for sure
I still miss the original DK it was so much more interesting
sand egret
OG Blood was the best. I did 3 Drake Sarth as blood when it was considered only viable as Unholy
chilly brook
One of the classes that really got hurt by pruning imo
sand egret
now that was nervewrackin
chilly brook
I loved the original unholy
sand egret
yeah, it was tough because on the one hand it did make them feel unique...but on the other hand you honestly can't have that in a game like WoW
chilly brook
Having defiled ground pop up with skeletal hands that slowed people was just amazing
sand egret
uh what about Call Ted?
chilly brook
But that’s gone now 😑
sand egret
hands down the best OG DK
chilly brook
And rezzing someone as a ghoul
sand egret
aka Raise Dead Ally Into A Ghoul
chilly brook
Lol
sand egret
the walk of shame as we called it
"X died...well time to bring in Ted off the bench!"
sand egret
we had this one raider who ended up getting multiple kills during progression as a ghoul
oh man he got so much shit
chilly brook
Lol
sand egret
"Dude, can you just die so we can get Ted in here for some real DPS"
chilly brook
Hahahhaha
sick sentinel
We had a death rotation in antorus to make our ret pala get 100% parce
sand egret
like...it got so far that our GM (who was like dead pan 99% of the time) said it and HE ACTUALLY SUICIDED
sick sentinel
On kingaroth
chilly brook
Lul
sand egret
poor guy
chilly brook
I miss the old talent trees
sand egret
i got a love/hate with em
chilly brook
TBH I kinda wanna go back and play rift
But I know the game is bad now
But they had such a cool tree system
sand egret
there are some really sweet systems out there
sand egret
i played that game for like 20 minutes one time on a co-workers account. I was some crazy illusion battle mage thing, and it was pretty cool
chilly brook
I thought their raids and dungeons in the base game were awesome
But the expansion kinda pushed it downhill when it went free to play
sand egret
it made the mistake of trying to be a "WoW killer"
solid mist
support classes ❤
chilly brook
Yea it was @solid mist
sand egret
instead of trying to be its own thing, but yeah I fucking love the idea of a support character not being also the "healer"
chilly brook
And the hybrids you could make ❤️
solid mist
have bards, will play
chilly brook
Melee DPS/aoe healer hybrid
That was an awesome build that did it’s healing job superbly and also actually felt like a true Paladin from like WC3
signal plover
I looooved the artstyle in Rift
chilly brook
I did too
chilly brook
That game was the start of the dark road that Trion is on now though
It was a fairly popular release iirc
signal plover
It dropped mid cata
chilly brook
I quit cata pretty early on
chilly brook
Which sucked because I loved Wrath
solid mist
I wish a compnay would make the dungeon/raid/boss part of an MMO w/o the massive infrastructure/world/etc. I just wanna do group content with people, that requires coordination and interesting use/combination of abilities
chilly brook
But I have very fond memories of Rift
digital arrow
sounds like u would like ffxiv
chilly brook
I think there’s a place for that but tbh the world and stuff are kinda a large part of the game
digital arrow
all i did was raid and focus on mastering my role.. didnt fuck around with the other stuff
chilly brook
Even though it’s only relevant to the character once
solid mist
ffxiv was fine. Tanking as a PLD felt SO boring. I like BRD... but it didn't really feel like a bard :/
solid mist
no. RDM just makes me sad and think about FFXI RDM
the most broken fucking amazing MMO class ever made
steel mauve
Rift was probably the most fun ive had tanking in any mmo
chilly brook
Lol I just remember being a broken void Knight tank
steel mauve
I was a rogue tank
solid mist
when D3 droped, and had like the crusader class I was hopeful, but nope it's just about running around spamming AOE as a group :/
digital arrow
ahh i didnt experience ffxi
chilly brook
And then swapping to warlord and people didn’t believe that it could be good but then I would rip threat off every other tank while also literally being the support
steel mauve
Idk how good they were as i never got that deep into it but it qas fun af
chilly brook
Yea
solid mist
FFXI was... old school. Would be terriblet o play now. As a college/post-college person who had time. It was AMAZING to figure out
chilly brook
Teleporting around was a cool thing for rogue tanks
solid mist
I got taught how to play the game by japanese players using the in-game translation system
it was bonkers
the whole threat mechanic with rogues, the magic burst shit, I was blown away
chilly brook
But I liked the cleric tank the best. Problem was it had the same problem as beginning of tbc no one wanted you because you weren’t a warrior
Even though you could tank perfectly fine
sick sentinel
god 12s shield block recharge so nice.
solid mist
@digital arrow rdm in ffxi was this. Burn your entire mana bar debuffing/buffing, then cast conversion ro whatever it was called to swap your HP/MP bars, then heal yourself back to full, then start casting refresh on your casters in your party, you were a dmg/buff/debuff/mana battery. Then you could subjob NIN and dual wield rapiers that you would enchant with elemental power. And you got a dope ass hat
sand egret
if there is one thing the FF's were good at...it's really doubling down on the concept of "execution". Holy 1-shot mechanics batman
a bit ago there's a really, really super good article written by a WoW raid designer (I think this was written in Legion) who was an avid FFXIV player about the fundamental differences in encounter design between the two games. If you're into the more technical stuff of game design, definitely check it out
sand egret
so you didn't have 4 types of druids. a druid did THE DRUID SHIT
and that was it
but from an encounter perspective, Eastern-style design favors execution and layering simple mechanics to create complexity. On the other hand WoW and Western-style design favors innate complexity and experience aggregation
which boils down to "Simple, but binary" vs " the kitchen sink" approach
earnest zinc
The main issue with classes there that I have is the fact that you don't have an offspec unless you level it up like an alt
In FFXIV
sand egret
yeah, it required a lot of investment to play a diff job
but on the flipside, your "alt" was also the same character
solid mist
well in FFXIV you got the crazy xp boost at least
sand egret
but cross-class skills....
ugh
it's like if, in order to tank as Prot, we had to also level up a BDK alt to 43 before we could actually get the "taunt" ability
earnest zinc
I don't know if it's still there, but there were mandatory abilities behind other classes being leveled on your toon. Are you a tank? You better make sure you have Gladiator to 22 (or whatever level you got taunt) to tank properly
sand egret
(yes, i know they start at like 55 lol)
sand egret
yeah @earnest zinc that's what I'm talkin about. You needed the taunt ability from Glad to do any tank swaps
solid mist
just main GLD/PLD problem solved
chilly brook
Jeez
sand egret
but I like doing stuff in a game
earnest zinc
Also when I played, tanking felt like you were a dps that could tank
sand egret
Warrior was true man mode
chilly brook
Just looking back at rift stuff it makes me realize just how much I want a more “classic” mmo experience
sand egret
predicting your own 1-shot to counter it 👌
earnest zinc
You were in dps stance and only went tank stance when it was required
sand egret
@chilly brook yeah, I feel ya. the rpg elements of the MMORPG don't really exist enough these days
earnest zinc
As in losing aggro or surviving a tankbuster
sand egret
haha yeah, the stances were fun for sure
esp because tuning was so tight that you really had to know what you could survive without your tank stance to keep the dps up
however, perfectly scripted encounters were such a snooze
i do enjoy the innate variance that comes with Western design
chilly brook
🤞🏼for ashes of creation
sand egret
even if it meant i'd hate RNG from time to time
earnest zinc
Also the fact that there are only 4 of them each tier and there isn't an equivalent to normal or heroic difficulty
It's just LFR and mythic
steel mauve
At least now i dont think you need to lvl a second class in ff14, i think they just unlock cross class skills as you level
earnest zinc
Though their LFR is called normal and is a bit harder than LFR here
Their mythic is called savage and is a bit easier than mythic here
junior ivy
i leveled up a character in ff14 once before i started playing wow again., all it did was make me miss wow
sick sentinel
I liked the stance dancing in 14. Also. Warrior fell cleave was sexy AF
Imma spend all my rage and buzz saw yo ass with my axe
sand egret
oh very satisfying. My biggest gripe with the game was the longer GCD. It just felt super slow, even with the "off the gcd" skills (which really were baked into a very rigid rotation)
junior ivy
eyah standing there waiting for gcd over and over doing nothing wasnt fun
sand egret
and they had even weirder gnomes than WoW
digital arrow
damn i missed a lot in ffxi
lol yeah that cleave was cool to look at
and the saw buzz sound that came with it
digital arrow
Got some cross-mmo warriors up in here 🙌
sand egret
tried and true
heady coyote
hey guys just wondering is the devastator worth taking or is booming voice still the go to ?
raven kernel
BV
steel mauve
Always booming voice
chilly brook
@digital arrow well tbh a lot of them do offer a fun experience they just end up lacking later on at some point
steel mauve
Swtor was one of the most fun single player mmos ive played, i still go back every so often
Their end game was complete ass and bug ridden until next expacs, but it was fun af to level and the story was great
cerulean geyser
So I got a 385 shoulder from the mythic chest yesterday that has reinforced plating on it. When comparing it to my 355 shoulder with Deafening crash, is it better to stick with Deafening crash or go with the 385?
topaz badger
is "Incite the pack" good for m+? or should I use bloodsport?
raven kernel
if you dont have alternative DC pieces on helm/chest then stick with what you have
neon tangle
My guild started progression on m vek yesterday
raven kernel
xiro use bloodsport
neon tangle
WoW that guy hits like a baby
We're swapping for the second void lash
so I have spell reflect up for -every- one
raven kernel
you can take the full combo easily
neon tangle
I can, my monk is afraid of it
raven kernel
if you're swapping on 2 then its even easier
topaz badger
wut, spell reflect works on zekvoz?
neon tangle
It reduces the magic damage of the lash by 20%
raven kernel
yes SR has a 30% magic reduction component
neon tangle
or 30%?
neon tangle
But yeah you can take the whole combo, or if you want to make it even more trivial
sand egret
pretty sure its 20% but yeah
topaz badger
it's 20% in the toolti
neon tangle
if you taunt after the shatter, before the second lash
you will get 20% off every lash
plus stack a 130% IP while you're not actively tanking
sand egret
yeah SR gives you 20% magic reduction in addition to reflecting the next cast. in essence, two different buffs
cerulean geyser
well all I have is a 370 brace for impact and a 370 chest iron fortress so yeah guess I'll stick with it
raven kernel
plus ip
dusk locust
i have last stand up for every 3 hit combo, and if i save the rage i can IP all 3 hits as well
raven kernel
and yeah SR is 20% not 30
remembered wrongly :p
yes prot can have last stand up for all 3 hits
ip for all 3
and SR for one of the lashes (save for 2nd lash if taking full combo)
and demo up for all 3 as well
dusk locust
can demo shout all of them, yeah i SR the last lash, and if you mess up and get rage starved that's what i have shield wall saved for
i also use my rally for the adds + rings overlap (2nd set of adds)
neon tangle
Zek'voz Void Lash Stieglitz 25875 (A: 75085) (R: 161834, M: 60874, 37.62%)
It's pretty simpy
wimpy
sand egret
see this is where I like having different flavors of tanks (obvious balance aside).
Pallies: Block hit, heal the damage.
BDK: Take the hit with a massive hp pool, heal for the harder you're hit.
Monks: Take the hit, but make it something you can deal with later.
Bears: Big hit becomes medium hit, which becomes a scratch compared to the health pool
VDH: Mitigate some of the hit, heal back the rest.
Warriors: What hit?
neon tangle
is true, the monk gets wacked wayyy harder from them
e.g. Zek'voz Void Lash Chisou 102396 (A: 40164) (R: 152817, M: 10257, 6.71%)
sand egret
haha 4x harder
brave jetty
G'huun taunt swaps bother me
I really don't like how they don't line up neatly with the explosive corruption
dusk locust
heh yeah i feel similar. haven't quite found the rhythm
neon tangle
I kinda like it, keeps the fight sorta dynamic
brave jetty
How do y'all handle? I'll let it go another stack or two if I know a cast is coming up just in case he casts it on one of us.
dusk locust
we kind of have a "5 stacks or active tank got explosive" swap rule
so sometimes we end up swapping at hardly any stacks
brave jetty
Maybe I should do it early then, rather than wait out the cast.
dusk locust
it ultimately doesn't matter as long as he doesn't go taunt immune imo
if anything it's better b/c less damage
brave jetty
Yeah
raven kernel
heroic ghuun?
dusk locust
i'm talking heroic
brave jetty
yeah not mythic
raven kernel
when i was still tanking
my brew took all the explosive corruptions
i would just taunt off
neon tangle
I just save some space behind me for if I need to drop one when I'm actively tanking
raven kernel
and he taunts back when he's back
when we're gonna stack for add spawn
i hold boss
brave jetty
It seems that he targets the active tank far more often with it, is that your guys' feeling too?
neon tangle
and run a lil' further when my co-tank can taunt
raven kernel
and SR the EC
dusk locust
yeah he does seem to target active tank
raven kernel
EC is always on active tank
brave jetty
Oh always?
raven kernel
yes
brave jetty
I thought it wasn't guaranteed
raven kernel
alwaysssss
brave jetty
Okay that's good to know lol
dusk locust
don't quite understand how it works p1 tho
i was told to get aggro on the boss in teh wall but that didn't make a diff
brave jetty
lmao
dusk locust
and make sure you SR as many of them as you can
raven kernel
if you need to tank the blightspreader tentacle or something like i do
then when the blightspreader pops
dusk locust
esp since they're predictable which ones will hit you
brave jetty
Also: have you guys noticed that sometimes if you're slightly up a wall you can get the spores to go up, rather than through the main floor of the raid?
raven kernel
i SR the next EC based on boss timer
dusk locust
particularly the 4th explosive cast
raven kernel
it keeps me free to stay and tank
dusk locust
since that overlaps with the blood circle thing
yeah i've definitely found there are some spots on the wall that cause the orbs to not really go anywhere
ashen flower
Brace for impact or iron fortress?
raven kernel
you definitely want to be the active tank when stacking for the circle
and then SR that EC
so both tanks can clear their stacks
dusk locust
yeah
raven kernel
@ashen flower brace
brave jetty
Brace I think but it's like 2nd vs. 3rd place
raven kernel
brace is 1st place
brave jetty
Uh...DC?
ashen flower
well i got matrix/clash and can choose brace or fortress
brave jetty
yeah
dusk locust
it's the reason i have 340 shoulders
brave jetty
I really cannot wait for them to address how integral it is
brave jetty
I hope they do, it feels awful
raven kernel
just get conquest
brave jetty
Are 355 shoulders on the conq bar rewards?
I've missed a few weeks
of capping that out
raven kernel
yes
brave jetty
Ah nifty
raven kernel
remember to pick the right one
you're always given 2 choices
dont pick the non dc one
raven kernel
yes
dusk locust
if i've literally never pvp'd how far out am i from getting that
raven kernel
when you hand in the quest
brave jetty
Ohhh oh yeah
brave jetty
Might even be 5th?
raven kernel
not that late i think
brave jetty
I've done 3 or 4 and it's not even up next for me
weapon chest gloves pants
So it's 5th or later
My arena partner kinda lost steam in PvP and 355/370s aren't really upgrades so I stopped with PvP
I kinda like the conquest system though, I think with a little modification it could be really good.
raven kernel
yeah the rewards suck now
we outscaled them
but you stilll get them anyway cos u want the chest
brave jetty
I don't really need much from the chest either though
brave jetty
lol
next ermine
So tanking mythic Zekvoz, IP first tentacle, SB shatter, IP/SR 2nd tenctacles ya?
raven kernel
if you pop last stand(bolster)
you ip the shatter too
if you pooled enough rage
but otherwise yes
also make sure you have demo shout to cover all 3 hits
make sure to spend enough rage after u swap off to get your last stand back in time for next round
next ermine
bolstered last stand should last the whole duration ya?
next ermine
gotcha
heady citrus
stupid question but can shields titanforge? or do they fall under weapons category
raven kernel
they used to
for like 1 or 2 weeks
then got fixed
i have 385 heroic vectis shield from the first week
XD
heady citrus
jelly
next ermine
i didnt see a single shield drop until that week we had an emmisary with it
heady citrus
my worst item is shield... been running shield M+ for 2 weeks now and still havent seen 1
next ermine
got that 340 shield, then got a 360 shield, then what do you know...that night i got the 370 vectis shield
raven kernel
bl man
heady citrus
370equip and 355 shield
next ermine
i cant get a new wep for the life of me
but at least mines 355 with a socket
so its fine for now
heady citrus
day 1 of this warrior it got 360 weapon. just got 370 now
raven kernel
its random
next ermine
its by zone for emmisary caches
raven kernel
could be helm/shoulders/chest
next ermine
ya
but the traits are different depending on what zone it is
was seeing if any of the storms wake ones have DC, sadly, none do
sick sentinel
we are taking the fact that you have at least 1 DC in your gear as a given
sand egret
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over all my self-debuff removal and free strength gains
lusty grotto
cries in blood fury
dark lagoon
DC should be baseline lol. This is absurd.
sick sentinel
Can never talk trash about weekly mythic+ cache after it gave me the 380 wf socket underrot shield.
vagrant cape
D:
sick sentinel
me, anyway.
swapped my middle tier ring defensives for damage.
x2 gutripper x1 heed my call.
experiment fat damage now that I have enough haste for 12-13s SB recharge, x2 BFI x1 DC, x2 impassive visage x1 resounding
vagrant cape
on a shield? nothing
well, not nothing
let's call it 1 item level
you'd never use a lower ilvl shield because of a socket
higher ilvl shield = more block rating
and block rating is the best stat
midnight ferry
ok
vagrant cape
but if I said it was nothing, then you might take that to mean you should use a shield with no socket if it had better stats than one with a socket, so I had to clarify
proven pulsar
What best trait's for raiding in war prot ?
plain ice
proven pulsar
Can link it plz dont find in all pins
sick sentinel
🙄
sand egret
just checked the pins, can confirm it says in pins
sand egret
(check the icy veins guide)
novel leaf
I'm on mobile and ive got all the pins @proven pulsar , you ain't got no excuse
raven kernel
reddit what?
lusty grotto
its down
raven kernel
no it isnt
lusty grotto
also security breach email
lusty grotto
1 hour ago
it just came up for me
that was a PM i got
me reddit nickname gasp
just kidding lol
raven kernel
r/reddit.com is an archived sub
since 7 years ago
not sure if some phishing thing
lusty grotto
i mean it's not
either way i changed my pw without following any links because i'm not stupid lol
raven kernel
good then
vagrant cape
alright y'all. I have a toughy of a question
it's ok if you sweat this one out
it's a real mind cruncher
lusty grotto
i swear i'm totally straight, i just like Tom Hiddleston a little bit
wait, what was the question
vagrant cape
Azerite fortification (15k health whenever I get stunned, immobilized, or knocked back)
or
vampiric speed (6k healing and 93 speed when an enemy I harmed dies)?
I mostly do m+
raven kernel
az fort
vagrant cape
this debate is really heating up
raven kernel
vamp speed is pretty meaningless to me
vagrant cape
rei, how do you feel knowing that Lala has insulted your intellect, ideas, and religios beliefs?
hot locust
monkaS
hot locust
monkaGIGA
vagrant cape
Lala, how are you handling the fact that Rei has been seen defecating on your front porch over the disagreements presented today?
raven kernel
lala the warrior reddit post better be gud tomorrow
hot locust
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vagrant cape
but seriously guys
lusty grotto
TO REDDIT
vagrant cape
this choice is tearing me apart (Lisa)
raven kernel
we're gonna get like 500 comments about how we're wrong about prot and that prot really sucks bad
lusty grotto
downvote brigade go
hot locust
I mean even I agree it needs some changes.
little rain
Meh, prot could use a little buff but it's nowhere as bad as everyone cries it is tbh
raven kernel
any sort of positivity towards prot = YOU'RE WRONG
hot locust
Just usually tanks are rather immune to it.
raven kernel
PROT SUPER BAD
lusty grotto
there's really no use arguing against a vocal minority
raven kernel
you will have self proclaimed good healers coming in saying
lusty grotto
even if it seems huge
raven kernel
they cant heal prots
hot locust
I don't think we're mentioning the current viability of prot too much
just more of potential things we'd like to see to improve gameplay and stuff.
neon tangle
I mean I’ve seen other prots, and you can’t heal them
Like not using SB ever, or rarely
little rain
Just bc people think prot is bad doesn't mean it is, literally every healer I go into keys with says I'm the easiest tank to heal they've played with, all while doing about the same dmg as a dps
vagrant cape
as a prot warrior, I cannot heal anyone
lusty grotto
wait, is someone gonna talk about it from 
?
frosty wedge
a guy linked logs in here last week asking for tips and he only cast SB 6 times during Taloc
lusty grotto
who do i put my upvotes on guys
little rain
The skillcap i s just higher, you need to know when to use mit, call for externals, and kite
hot locust
Travex while that can be true going from pug to pug that is 100% not true from someone of equivalently high level at the top end.
neon tangle
It’s really the skill floor that’s the issue
supple path
You're comparing yourself playing prot warrior well vs likely, other tanks being played poorly.
hot locust
In any form of organized manner.
little rain
I'm 1700 and barely do keys ¯_(ツ)_/¯
plain ice
just out of curiosity @little rain - what M+ key levels are you running?
supple path
All else being equal, a BDK is gonna have a better time in M+
lusty grotto
uh oh here we go again
little rain
16+'s @plain ice
sand egret
You should come out of left field and be like "Warriors need a change.....Heroic Throw needs a huge buff in damage. That's it."
raven kernel
give us aoe shatter
sand egret
but I just wanna watch the internet implode
raven kernel
kappa
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest... i'm not looking forward to seeing that topic tomorrow
little rain
bring back warbringer and IP off CD and I'll be happy
lusty grotto
i'll ocd downvote everyone
supple path
I miss old spell reflect here.
little rain
old spell reflect, ok yea that too
lusty grotto
right that's what i meant - the comments
neon tangle
I mean, ignoring how good you can do, most pugs will simply see how bad it is possible for a player to do
frosty wedge
old SR, IP off GCD, buff to numbers on IP
lusty grotto
legion spell reflect
sand egret
I got my faith in our Shield Bois to lay it out straight
raven kernel
it kinda hurts reading how low people think of us
lusty grotto
older than legion SR was bad
neon tangle
And a bad prot is 1/10th the tank as a bad BDK it BrM
supple path
Well yeah.
frosty wedge
dude, I had a group yesterday not take my 366 warrior for heroic uldir, but took me on my 355 BDK
supple path
The other day I finally read exactly how bone storm works and I was just like...are you serious right now.
neon tangle
@frosty wedge I mean I get it, a 366 prot can be -horrible- and worse than 10ivls when played poorly
BDK has AM on their main damage abilities
little rain
95% of the people on WoW are autistic, citing their decision making for class balance is a yikes tho
neon tangle
If you smash your face on the keyboard you will be mostly fine
frosty wedge
yeah I know, but I've been playing a prot warrior for... ~14 years, and a BDK for 3 weeks
sand egret
woof.
frosty wedge
lol
neon tangle
It’s why I get kinda burned on the “prot is fine” story
sand egret
the reality is, in order for Blizz to drop notes that would effectively 180 community perception, they'd basically have to be so damn drastic that it'll prob not be good for the game regardless
sand egret
so we're going to get shit regardless
frosty wedge
"IP is back to how it was at the start of legion, hve fun levelling your warriors"
sand egret
I just hope it makes those who play the spec feel better about playing it
neon tangle
I sorta disagree with that
raven kernel
honestly wouldnt mind them making us top tank and having everyone reverse their opinion
neon tangle
There was a good interview with Jotdb which touched on healer representation on m+
sand egret
yeah it was good
neon tangle
It was bad in legion and got way more even in BFA
The community changes its opinions
frosty wedge
yeah well, anyone can heal a BDK, lol
neon tangle
Small buff to the top end, large buff to the bottom
supple path
The people on the top will play whatever is best, and then people sort of sheep off of that.
neon tangle
And, uhh, nerf bonestorm
lusty grotto
i'm just dreading that they make the class ez mode to play to counteract the whole stigma bullshit
sand egret
unless people just straight up stop taking BDKs and stuff, BDKs are probably still going to have a high rep
supple path
I mean honestly prot warrior feels pretty easy to play now, it's just super punishing on mistakes.
raven kernel
make deathstrike cost 5 more rp 🤔
sand egret
so as far as statistical perception, it may take way longer to right itself
neon tangle
@sand egret The whole point though is that at the end of legion 2 healer classes accounted for 95% of top end runs, bfa has almost equal
frosty wedge
yeah it feels easy to play.... if you're not playing right, lol
neon tangle
i.e. there is reason to believe it would balance out if it got better
sand egret
yeah, but he also states in that interview that the damage profiles of M+ changed
neon tangle
especially going in to 8.1 w/ another gear reset
sand egret
which was independent of balance
raven kernel
for people well versed with prot, i dont think its hard to play
but getting there for a new person is challenging
sand egret
so yeah, I do agree that the state of the game will hopefully change in 8.1 but it's more a product of many things changing perception instead of like "Warriors get X more Y"
supple path
The real challenge is more just the required fight familiarity about when you REQUIRE cooldown x/y/z.
sand egret
basically, even if we get buffed we'll probably still get flak
neon tangle
@raven kernel I semi-disagree w/ that, I think we're a easy enough to play, I certainly know I've missed a CD, etc when dealing w/ boss mechanics, especially while learning a fight
i.e. on mythic zek when you're dealing with circles while dealing w/ the combo
lusty grotto
if they make it non punishing at all, i will be sad
i guess it's a matter of perception
sand egret
in isolation it isn't hard, it's just when you throw in external factors like mechanics, our plate-spinning becomes harder since our plates are harder to keep up
supple path
are they really? I haven't really played other tanks recently, but our rotation seems super simple right now.
lusty grotto
rotation?
supple path
Ability priority list, whatever
sick sentinel
Our skill floor is both high and low at the same time is the issue
lusty grotto
heh heh
sand egret
it isn't hard, it's just there is a mechanical window in the baseline "rotation" that invites failure
there are many, many warriors who don't handle that window well
there are others, who Bolster etc
supple path
I mean sure, 50% of the warriors out there are hitting shield block during bolster probably yeah.
sand egret
exactly
neon tangle
lol
sand egret
haha I like my bear
signal plover
I think it's much higher than 50% tbh
sand egret
it's very nice going from
neon tangle
@supple path I've certainly made mistakes, or let SB fall off, or didn't hit IP and capped rage when dealing with encounter mechanics
signal plover
Also, there's a lot of warriors still playing the spec reactively and holding CDs
sand egret
"NOOOO DON'T HIT SB NOW!"
to
"Hmm I wonder if I can hit a button now....?"
supple path
Yeah, but "a failure to do things 100% perfectly" isn't really a sign of difficulty.
sick sentinel
It is
neon tangle
I think that's the definition of difficulty?
lusty grotto
there's also a lot of warriors, that have absolutely absurd shit uptime on Demo
sand egret
ive' said it a bunch of times, but Prot is currently the only proactive tank in the game.
when you play reactively
you're not gonna have a good time
raven kernel
i guess im super suited to play prot and it meshes innately with me because i played since vanilla
sand egret
whatever the reason, it's a huge reason for misplays imho
raven kernel
so proactive tanking is really the norm for me
sand egret
it's ESPECIALLY worse
supple path
The challenge level in performing is what determines difficulty, not a retrospective "was it perfect".
lusty grotto
i have played since vanilla too, i have no issues with it currently
sand egret
if they were like BDKs
brave jetty
i prefer proactive tanking but it calls for a higher level of mastery over the encounters and situations
neon tangle
@supple path When not getting it 100% ends up with you getting gibbed / failing a fight, that translates to difficulty
sand egret
that's a personal thing though, which is and should be a thing
supple path
Like I made mistakes on my prot paladin during Lich King a bunch...but my passive "haha get wrecked I don't die no matter what" things saved me because prot paladin was goddamn easy.
brave jetty
so the style suits me as well, but it makes first pulls on progression content feel pretty rough at times
neon tangle
We are certainly in the camp of "mistakes have a high chance of being deadly"
sand egret
yeah, but that's the learning curve BatShark
sick sentinel
If you going to say well I've played since vainilla that doesn't apply to new players and the general wow pop
You can't put urself into everyone else
supple path
So yeah, guess I'm nitpicking word use.
raven kernel
my regular disc healer mentioned once that she likes how i tank compared to others, because i'm way more calculated
and i think that word is the key point
sand egret
healers notice good tanks more than anything, imho
cinder nova
Vectis blows
brave jetty
i'm fine with it, I don't think anything about the role or Warriors in particular is immensely challenging to perform
supple path
@sand egret Except of course retadins with wisdom on themselves
sand egret
lol
brave jetty
at the individual level WoW really isn't that demanding of a video game lol
cinder nova
Finished Mythic last night and I felt like I had so little control over my intake
brave jetty
at the individual level
if LFR is hard it's because others are bad and may be totally out of your control
sand egret
Swole, it may be worth it to drop a log in here
neon tangle
@brave jetty I sorta disagree, everyone likes to meme that wow is easy, but it's still taken a long af time for guilds to kill m g'huun
brave jetty
I'm not talking about the game in general
supple path
WoW's challenge is getting 20 people to be perfect simultaneously.
brave jetty
I'm talking about AT THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL
supple path
Any task where that's even feasible, most individuals are going to be perfect more attempts than not
brave jetty
The difficulty of group coordination and content is a different dynamic
neon tangle
@brave jetty At the individual level it's the little mistakes that snowball in to a boss not dying
sand egret
there's one aspect you are neglecting at an individual level that many, many players take for granted
vagrant cape
@digital arrow hey man, sorry this is late, but I'm looking over these logs you sent me:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3aWFXj9TR7Kzcd82/#fight=last&type=casts&source=2
Just gotta jot as I see stuff:
Vectis:
- Only 1 spell reflect on heroic vectis. You could be using that a LOT more in a 5-minute encounter.
- On vectis, no demo shout on pull? was it on CD? just seems odd.
- Your first avatar on vectis is kinda wonky. You has several moments where you either had more than 1 global between TCs or no globals between TCs. You always want your avatars to be TC > other thing > TC > other thing for the full 20 seconds.
- Only 30% uptime on demo shout for vectis. Even with the transition phases, it's rather low. This may be due to not using it on pull.
Zek:
5. On zek, not a single spell reflect was used. Make sure you use it on every void lash.
6. Again, very strange casts during avatar. You open with avatar > TC > SS > dem shout > TC > devastate > revenge > shield slam > TC > TC > devastate > revenge > SS > revenge > TC. See number 3.
7. On a 6-minute fight, last stand was only used twice. you can actually use last stand every single void lash/shatter combo if youspend enough rage.
8. You took 23 melees and 1 shatter without having SB/LS/SW up. With the tank swapping, you should have plenty of time to have something up for the entire duration you have aggro.
9. You used shield block during last stand at one point, try to break that habit.
10. I checked your fetid pull, too. your avatar rotation appears to be suboptimal for every encounter. I'd recommend practicing the avatar rotation on a dummy. the priority during avatar is TC > SS > freevenge (or revenge if you're high on rage) > devastate
brave jetty
But speaking in terms of what it takes to play your character nearly optimally, just mechanically, in terms of execution and then in terms of game knowledge, WoW doesn't have shit on like, most other competitive games
sand egret
WoW also weighs heavily on tribal knowledge for their design
so saying an individual burden isn't demanding needs to be clarified
brave jetty
I've described the distinction a few different ways lol
lusty grotto
i kinda of agree with @brave jetty , but then again people in here are generally not mainstream normie gamers
digital arrow
@vagrant cape i really appreciate it
sand egret
not in respect to tribal knowledge and barrier of entry
lusty grotto
they want to jump in, get loot, have fun... that's something we need to see too
supple path
There aren't any really wonky oddball fights right now, too.
sand egret
the concept of "don't stand in the fire" is actually a product of teaching over years in this game
frosty wedge
then they made shimmering haven
supple path
Everything's pretty much the same standard dodge, tank, taunt, soak, drop.
sand egret
in fact, an entire boss fight in Molten Core was JUST this mechanic
brave jetty
Yeah but those meta conventions can be a thing in other games too
Like how you position and take cover in say, an FPS
sand egret
dispelling WAS a fight
supple path
Ahhh, Lucifron. You taught me about dispelling mind control with purge.
sand egret
yeah but a lot of WoW now takes that for granted, especially when asking a new player to pick up on UI conventions used for the past 10 years
Im not totally disagreeing with you
supple path
WoW ran into the problem that boss mods are bullshit.
brave jetty
In terms of individual performance, WoW at the highest level of group content like, can't be as difficult as a lot of other game types, because you're multiplying a margin for error across more people, it has to be a little more forgiving in a way
sand egret
but there most definitely is an element of a burden of knowledge that is growing with every content drop that needs to be internalized
supple path
So a tons of things that used to add difficulty to a fight don't anymore.
brave jetty
I get your point, but those things most definitely exist in other genres too
supple path
DBM would trivialize basically every encounter in vanilla.
sand egret
decursive
supple path
Decursive was mainly even necessary since UIs were utter shit about displaying debuffs, too.
neon tangle
@brave jetty I agree w/ that
sand egret
molten core was actually Raiding 101 when you think about it
First boss = Dispel 101
2nd Boss = Kill all adds at the same time
brave jetty
Like I said, the concept of cover and high ground in an FPS, or zoning in a MOBA, or footsies in an FPS
sand egret
but even then
neon tangle
@sand egret KT was bag managment
brave jetty
There are things that get baked in until they become instinct, all over the place
sand egret
those are still born out of other things
WoW is it's own resource
it literally set the paradigm
lusty grotto
right but those are general concepts, you still have to manage you character and others (healers)
brave jetty
...no?
sand egret
zoning in a moba came from creeping in wc3
lusty grotto
zoning? you mean jukes?
brave jetty
WoW is not the first game to have taught gameplay dynamics
supple path
Think 'zone defense' more - it's about keeping the enemy out of an area with valuable stuff.
sand egret
WoW, introduced a lot of convetions today
brave jetty
and not the first to have iterated on those more and more
sand egret
especially when it comes to raid design
supple path
Or keeping the enemy out of range of exp, etc.
sand egret
that's what I meant
neon tangle
I'm personally a fan of the "keep two enemies apart"
lusty grotto
eh i gotta be honest i didn't do that shit at all in dota2
supple path
DotA2 - example of how a game can be hard with 4 abilities, yeah.
sand egret
namely the concept of the rpg element added to the Hero in wc3 and how to manipulate that based on radius-based exp tracking
sand egret
also a wc3 thing for that same reason 😃
lusty grotto
so zoning might be less valuable in dota2
sand egret
yeah the term is more used to team fight dynamics and space denial now
supple path
"zoning ult"
lusty grotto
i think the most important concept is Map Awareness
that obviously includes positioning
that covers so many bases in WoW and is easily developed in other genres
mobas, BRs, competitive FPSes
sand egret
yeah map awareness definitely translates into "raid awareness" in WoW
stark sage
its a bit different, raid awareness can be memorized after repitition
in a game like dota, you have to really be aware of your opponents
sand egret
if the pattern is the same
lusty grotto
true
sand egret
fo sure
supple path
If WoW really wanted to up its skill requirement, the real answer would be dynamic patterns/etc. yeah.
stark sage
raid encounters are very repititious
even with what RNG that does exist, you are prepared for several outcomes to that RNG
supple path
just wait until those goddamn island expedition NPCs are a raid boss
sand egret
most definitely, but fundamentally not as much as something like FFXIV which is literally an identical fight every time
supple path
oh god FFXIV
where playing perfectly is hitting 97 keys in the same exact order, EVERY time
Pretty sure I had entire dungeon runs with 100% identical globals.
stark sage
yeah FF14 paradigm is a bit different, they make their encounters with the express design that you can memorize the perfect positioning and rotation down to the GCD
in most cases
sand egret
yeah eastern vs western design
stark sage
some class do have RNG and some fights arent designed that way
junior ivy
i like a bit of unpredictability
raven kernel
ff14 fights are super scripted man
supple path
They also ban you for mentioning damage meters!
sand egret
they favor execution over complexity
raven kernel
only occasional RNG mechanic
stark sage
it allows them to make very flashy and intensely visual encounters
sand egret
yeah tuning is VERY tight
supple path
Yeah, FFXIV has legitimately super challenging bosses in spite of that, they're just more...choreographed dances than fights.
stark sage
you can watch a video and replicate the pros and succeed the encounter as long as your gear is good enough
sand egret
I mentioned this earlier today, but a WoW raid designer wrote an article as also an avvid FFXIV raider about the differences in design
raven kernel
you can play the same way almost every pull
part of that is also why stuff is quite puggable to a certain extent
like japanese pugs are pretty good
sand egret
and it boils down to: Western style design favors teaching a mechanic, then altering that mechanic in different ways to see how people react
raven kernel
because everyone knows exactly their own role
supple path
Is FFXIV still embracing the insanely tight enrage timer as its answer to all things?
raven kernel
and just does it
stark sage
the encounter design if ff14 isnt bad, and its not boring per se. but content remains relevant for longer and most of the time its a 50 second fight that lasts the majority of your opening rotation
lusty grotto
I like insane enrage timers
sand egret
instead of making the mechanics complex themselves
raven kernel
some of the ffxiv fights still make you sweat though
supple path
If you enjoy leashing because one of the dps in your raid had a bad opener and is 8% below their usual numbers, you'd enjoy ffxiv.
raven kernel
even though you know exactly what you need to do
raven kernel
not messing up 1 step of a 1000 step dance
lusty grotto
I did play ffxiv up to 2nd expac
supple path
Yeah, that combined with potentially long fights.
lusty grotto
Black mage tho
raven kernel
yeah the fights are usually long
supple path
I just wish eastern MMOs would drop some of the unfun bullshit that makes them non-feasible games.
supple path
Like the inevitable "farm this for 2 years" thing.
stark sage
one thing i dislike about ff14 encounter design, is often times you reach a 'save point' inbetween phases so if you clear p1 and wipe in p2, you restart at p2... this also allows you to change your group composition inbetween phases
raven kernel
thats only for certain bosses
and the p2 is pretty much an entire new boss just with the same name
stark sage
its still something that is bad for encounter design in my opinion
sand egret
I disagree a bit
raven kernel
holy fuck its stressful
sand egret
if the design was created holistically first, then segmented
stark sage
imagine having a 3 phase fight, where the meta group comp was different for each phase
supple path
I don't really get why you don't just make them distinct encounters at that point.
sand egret
they basically are
stark sage
now i know the meta comp in ff14 has remained fairly consistent
raven kernel
would fucking kms if i had to redo exdeath everytime i wiped on neo exdeath man
supple path
Still wish an actually decent game would do stuff like go in a weird direction with the combat system ala TERA
So tired of the choices being "WoW" and "WoW, but worse"
raven kernel
i do wish wow encounters would look as visually impressive as ffxiv
oh plus the audio
ffxiv best boss music
lusty grotto
oh yeah
raven kernel
on like every boss
lusty grotto
i remember the titan song
supple path
I love "Answers" and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
lusty grotto
my wow music has been off since tbc lol
lusty grotto
i just blasted mp3s and now spotify during play time
raven kernel
its poggers af
lusty grotto
but i def had ffxiv music on at all times
dusk locust
dang that's cool looking
sand egret
@supple path if you haven't looked at BDO, their combat system is very cool (similar to TERA)
earnest zinc
Isn't BDO a P2W piece of shit?
raven kernel
no
sand egret
eh, no
it's very.....MMO-y
like my coworker literally does one thing in the game. He runs his merchant caravan from Town A to Town B and trades
there's no universal bank, so imagine you had gold in Dalaran but when you showed up to IF you'd have a different account. You'd have to go to Dalaran to pull out that gold
supple path
Honestly probably worth glancing at next time wow has a good ol' content dearth. Thanks.
sand egret
it's pretty vast and a lot to take in, but the combat was really cool
stark sage
eastern mmo 😬
sand egret
it's definitely an eastern one haha
raven kernel
combat requires alot of skill if you want to compete at top level
sand egret
pvp is straight up kinda nuts
supple path
Yeaaah. The big concern is just that they're fun for 6 weeks then oops the end game is actually considered a warcrime in certain countries.
sand egret
you do grind a lot haha
raven kernel
id say dont go into bdo unless you plan to spend at least a few months in it
left ice
can I get 20k dps single target as prot?
supple path
Still remember the time I realized it'd take me like 2 years at BEST to get my dynamis weapon in FF11.
raven kernel
nobody gets 20k single target
sand egret
yeah, you really can't "lightly" just hop into a game like BDO
supple path
I hit 20k dps the other day when I used my big red button trinket on a 20k hp monster.
that's...basically your only real scenario.
left ice
if I git gud I can do 20k
sand egret
I heard Lala's Heroic Throw nets him 20k dps....
lusty grotto
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