yay..Mythic vextis down to 15%...prolly gunna get him next raid night
#protection
lucid kelp
brave jetty
iron fortress or a 2nd stack of archive?
keen lily
I just got the Aotc as a warrior tank and I'm wondering if it's possible to tank mythic or is it better if I reroll as another class. Any advice?
brave jetty
you can tank mythic
keen lily
Awesome thanks
thorn narwhal
how important is it to have a deafening crash?
i've got 340 shoulders with deafening and 385 with callous reprisal ( π€’ )
broken kite
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topaz ember
Same but arms
fleet pier
uneven mason
1% Wipe on Ghuun TFW you're looking at a #1 healing parse as a prot warrior but the raid couldn't stay alive another 3.1m health
sacred roost
Still nothing on ptr about protection changes?
saw that reddit's got some class thing for warriors friday, and there was some azerite changes. but nothing about warriors yet
quiet kettle
nothing prot specific yet, but we got 4 new traits as a whole for the class
quiet kettle
and intim is the generic
lusty grotto
reddit 
daring marlin
@sacred roost What exactly are you hoping for?
quiet kettle
every1's hoping IP goes off gcd
sacred roost
a buff π But honestly, a fix to the rotation, something to make it less punishing, buff to hp, and maybe a better self heal to put us more inline with other tanks.
quiet kettle
thats really about it
sacred roost
and remove IP completely.
IP is a stupid ability honestly, it's just retarded and makes no sense, the developer that came up with it should be shot
it's giving us the dk shield from death stirke, without the damage orr self heal
quiet kettle
its nothing like death strike, and death strike doesnt give a shield naturally
sacred roost
death strike use to give a shield based on either missing health or damage done, it was broekn as hell, donno if it still does it.
sacred roost
I'd honestly like to see them rework prot alot, it's to punishing now for mistakes, and it's really just feels clunky to me. it's not hard, but you have those periods where you just don't have anything to coverr you.
just because your between cd's, or the mob gets something in when you don't have a shield block charge available.
daring marlin
You realize despite us having the lowest HP we still have absolutely absurd EHP, right?
sacred roost
sure, that's assuming your cd's are up
which, granted they will be the majority of the time.
daring marlin
No. That's just keeping SB up against melee.
steel mauve
Our ehp isnt that high, we just require really low erhps, which doesnt exactly translate into smooth healing
uneven mason
We have effective 100% uptime on blocking attacks outside of a few fights.
zinc mauve
only extended engagements really
daring marlin
It's just humorous when people say they want defensive buffs when that isn't our issue.
I don't like being locked into a single build.
uneven mason
Our issue is that we're very rigid
daring marlin
feelsbadman
sacred roost
are you talking about waiting between trash pulls for cd's to come back up?
because if we are the only tank that needs to do that, we aren't right.
steel mauve
It kind of is, we arent as bad as the naysayers act like, but we are still behind defensively and utility wise
zinc mauve
you have shield wall, you have last stand /bolster, you have demo shout, you have a leap so you can kite like every other tank in the game
daring marlin
Demo Shout is nuts. Last Stand is a pretty short CD really through AM.
sacred roost
play DH and play warrior, I've played both this expansion, DH feels smother, and has more"ohh shit!" buttons.
steel mauve
Dh gets his like a mac truck
daring marlin
We're not reactive.
sacred roost
warrior is using there "ohh shit!" buttons as part of there standard rotation.
zinc mauve
warrior is a 'OH SHIT HERE IT COMES' class
zinc mauve
whats the point of using your huge mitigation spells
if the spell has already hit you
congrats, you have wasted a cooldown and are now sitting at 50% hp
daring marlin
LOL
sacred roost
sometimes the heavy moves aren't telegraphed.
daring marlin
wut
sacred roost
on trrash especially.
sacred roost
you can't see them when your covered in 10 mobs
daring marlin
nameplates
sacred roost
yeah, but think about, if you've pulled 10 mobs, like say a dk, your using your standard cd's just to stay alive.
you don't have anything to hit, normally.
steel mauve
I like the fact that we get to use our big cds proactively, we have the same or shorter cds on major cds but are up in half the time with AM and so we get to use them a lot more
I mean thats what cds are used for... to stay alive...
zinc mauve
the only pulls warriors have issues with are high caster / ranged pulls
sacred roost
I mean, we can argue about it all night, what really matter is, there's a reason people aren't taking warrior tanks to high keys, and it's not cause we are "fine"
brisk flax
starting to seriously become annoyed by how impossible it is to get a shield
zinc mauve
people dont take warrior tanks because we lack utility and its harder to play
steel mauve
Defensively we arent that bad, its literally utility
zinc mauve
we do a fuck ton of damage
we take 0 damage if played properly
we just cant press 1 button and bam all big mobbos there
daring marlin
Also, the answer is BDK is brought for brez, mass grip and bonestorm.
zinc mauve
tfw thunderclap cant brez
daring marlin
if only we could yell at our friends to get off the ground
GET UP SISSY
like kruber from vermintide 2
zinc mauve
ayyy
our only utility is RC and battleshout
intervene can be useful in some cases but it really isnt nearly as useful as one would hope
for example, in kings rest on the council boss, the axe boss throws a 'fuck you' axe at one random person and on tyrannical, that one person is pretty much gauranteed dead
it'd be nice if i could just intervene and eat it instead
sacred roost
the class feels clunky to me, if I'm on DH, for example, and I start taking to much damage cause i've run outta cd's, I can always jump away, sigil of chains, and kite for a bit.
zinc mauve
well our only slow is thunderclap
sacred roost
with warrior, I don't really seem to have that option, I can jump away, but i don't really have a slow mechanic.
daring marlin
thunderclap doesn't slow now?
daring marlin
someone help this man
yeah but it still slows lol
you know what grinds my gears?
zinc mauve
daring marlin
paladins still have the talent that gives consecrate a 50% slow
AND THEY BUFFED IT IN BFA
TO MAKE CONSECRATE 15% LARGER LOL
sacred roost
paladins are just broken, and blizzard will never fix them
any class you have to kill, effectivily, 3 times is broken.
daring marlin
paladins, broken?
daring marlin
HELP ME
sacred roost
and when you can count the number of them in a bg to tell who's gonna win is just not right
I have 1 at 120, and in pvp, esp world pvp, it's just stpuid, there effectivily unkillable, if they don't wanna die.
zinc mauve
bro i play protection warrior i just wanna clap hard enough to make my hands bleed
sacred roost
why's that?
sick sentinel
finally x2 BFI x1 DC, x2 impassive visage, x1 azerite veins 375
feels even more tanky. grievous aint shit.
quiet kettle
pally is the epitomy of scaredy cat escapes in wpvp
sick sentinel
and reset lives.
reef viper
So can i play my prot warrior in my guilds raid group currently or should i focus on leveling a different tanking class?
junior ivy
you can play prot
reef viper
like into higher tiers still?
prisma night
yeah
reef viper
everyone else keeps telling me prot warriors are really bad right now
sick sentinel
it's only as bad as the player.
its not faceroll easy like vdh/bdk or OP levels overtuned like BrM
reef viper
i mean i have a paladin and a monk i could level, but my warrior has always been my favorite
especially before warlords when ignore pain got added
digital arrow
I just got done tanking heroic uldir as prot flexes easy mode
ahhhh
sleeptanking
grand burrow
Facerolled that to yesterday. π€ Dps mode activated
reef viper
ok, in that case ill try it out, i just dont want to get boned because of my class choice
grand burrow
π
grand burrow
Same. Not enough players :(
prisma night
same
supple path
Woo, rezan's bladeguard bp from emissary, 370 deafening crash finally obtained. Shame about the other traits.
prisma night
i probably wouldnt, id want the cash
junior ivy
ok ty lol
supple path
The answer is in your own heart, you have to find it.
digital arrow
lol
sick sentinel
Or how good the secondary stats are.
I got boe 385 haste/mastery bracers to replace my 365 haste/vers w/ socket
π€·
fossil basalt
When damn blizzard give us decent buff
And smooth rotation
I want renew my sub if they buff prot warrior
sick sentinel
We're fine. Lol
fathom marten
What an awful way to play
sick sentinel
Cringe
daring marlin
omega
waxen cradle
Honestly for me if I am or if I am not enjoying the game is what my gameplay experience hinges on so I make certain I am
fathom marten
Yes and if he can't enjoy the game without being a prot war. That's an awful . I mean I guess it's not really his fault. You can't control what you enjoy much but regardless that's just terrible.
Wouldn't pay for an mmo/rpg if I only enjoy one class and spec.
My phone...it hates me
But I doubt he doesnt actually enjoy any other class. It's more about pride and being stubborn
merry cave
Sweet sweet blood dk tears π€ π€
daring patrol
I mean, im the same way. Been playing Warrior since vanilla. Just can't get into anything else.
outer dew
I mean
I don't think BDK should of been nerfed like that
Felt would of been nicer if tanks got more in line
fathom marten
Shit they got nerfes
static lance
I'm not that bad off, because I also like healing, which means I have to play another class.
fathom marten
Where at?
outer dew
Ptr
static lance
but I've been tanking on my paladin recently and it is way more fun than I expected.
outer dew
They lose the 10% armor buff and 5% when they loe hp
Seems kind of silly
I feel like raid wise. BDK/Monk is in a fine spot
Felt other tanks should be brought more in line
merry cave
Clearly they think dif
Bdk should get the war treatment for a while for all I care, still probably get easier invites to groups
calm whale
Deafening crash is an absolute must correct? Even over 30ilvls?
outer dew
Yes
It essentially makes your avatar
Give you a 20% DR
Quite hard to beat
And I mean. Morg. It's not gonna help you m+ wise
BDK toolkit really shines in m+
With bonestorm + grip
And being to self sustain
BDK always scale pretty erll
neon tangle
yay, another 370 azerite w/o DC
oblique pike
i know theres no sims or anything on bloodmallet, so... anyone know if tendril trinket off g'huun, syringe, or disc is better for prot warrior dps?
ST
oblique pike
i assume without sims most people are just going for ilvl is king
but what are people doing about rings?
is there a general idea of where secondaries sit relative to each other?
zinc mauve
Haste > mastery/versatility > crit
oak girder
Last info i saw (guide in pins maybe) was haste>mast=versa>crit, but they're quite close
oblique pike
is that for dps or surv
oak girder
Surv
oak girder
For dps I'd imagine crit being higher up
oblique pike
tyty
merry cave
I still find vers>mast
I'm not sure the reasoning behind the pins so might be missing something
amber siren
the pins do say vers>mast doesn't it?
hushed creek
I did last night m+ as prot with disc priest... Grievous was fun ,fun as never before. I felt so bad I lost intrest to do anything this week. Sigh... Give me lego bracers trait !
amber siren
disc is probably one of the weaker healers for grievous so that's not surprising
zinc mauve
the trait will (HOPEFULLY) get nerfed for next time
because im pretty sure its universally hated
imagine if the prot warrior changes were just.... make us able to dual wield shields
hushed creek
luckly you can sit and eat while grievous,so thats how I did help after fight. They could change it as necrotic. After you leave combat, debuff vanish.
zinc mauve
i havent played it yet cause ive been super busy with school, i was honestly surprised to hear it didnt get removed out of combat
obtuse venture
ive done my 10 this week. basically see everyone next week lol.
strong forum
Tfw my mage wants to get 1400 score this week and our healer is a disc...
Seems a bit ambitious
obtuse venture
been watching jdotb's stream his group is struggling to time 16/15s
strong forum
Yup
amber siren
jesus christ
ember arrow
No
hexed geyser
LUL
waxen cradle
I will just start holding my breath for next week for Prot changes
waxen cradle
well they do not seem to be happening this week
pallid axle
tbh i doubt we get fixed wit 8.1. they will just tune our numbers a lil bit up again.
waxen cradle
I find that funny after they said changes coming to specs like shamans, and prot warriors in the "not to distant future" however that is open to interpretation of course
Not to distant could mean a few months down the road or another patch so like I said interpretation
hushed creek
What if IP reduce 90% dmg as use to be? Would it change anything? I don't think so since it's harder to spam it.
hushed creek
too bad leech is so bad to stack :<
sick sentinel
sometimes I have to use IP to dump rage for AM but I am already capped on IP
sick sentinel
lol
ember arrow
until now i had to tank zekvoz and fetid, since they didnt want trials to learn the fight
now i can just not do that anymore
so they gotta learn it anyway
cosmic cargo
i thought you had completely quit already
ember arrow
no i had to tank 2 bosses per week
that was my wow gameplay
on wednesday
kill 2 bosses, leave group, exit game
next week login inside uldir
soft kindle
kbai
ionic fern
ember arrow
other games
floral tinsel
Man M+ feels horrible as a warrior tank this week. Ranged mob standing in sanguine pool and you dont have a good way to LOS it... solutions?
vocal nimbus
save a kick for when the other mobs are about to die
ember arrow
^
you dont need to LOS per se
LOS is usually better since you dont need to be 40 yards from them
amber siren
yeah easiest way is to leap out and force the pack to shuffle behind you to keep them out of sanguiney
ember arrow
or start premoving melees near the ranged adds, as theyre about to die
so they wont drop sanguine at the ranged's feet
stable bloom
Freehold is one of the worst offenders for this. First trash before boss is sooooo aggravating to move
Tol B as well but more los opportunity there
mellow bridge
That's why you skip that trash
Almost every group just ops to shroud to the first boss and only kill a single pack so he actually spawns
More than enough trash afterwards
The trash is harder and more annoying to deal with than the trash that comes later
stable bloom
Indeed. Unfortunately not all groups have a rogue or coordinated enough to pull off the invis pot.
vocal nimbus
death run
north oar
hushed creek
in trash π
ember arrow
there were more
but yea, in LEGION
so many things i dislike, mainly the tank changes, just cant get the will to play basiclaly
glad tinsel
Things just got worse with bfa I suppose
ember arrow
hopefully it will get better
glad tinsel
What about your dk?
glad tinsel
Hit me up if you end up coming back
ember arrow
dont hold your breath xd
ember arrow
well they said that warr surv is low
as well as bears'
so i assume they gonna make changes
ember arrow
its something
but what we see is ptr
and there are no mechanical changes
which cant be right
ember arrow
because prot was also fun and good to play
glad tinsel
Levko was the only one I ever saw in semi-high keys in my personal experience
ember arrow
i never were top of the top
but yea i liked doing warr m+, good times
never forget
yes i was 5th dps i suck
inner onyx
WOW BIG NEWS
to all 10 of you left
" Warrior - NEW Intimidating Presence Intimidating Shout reduces the movement speed of affected enemies by 50%, and prevents the next 8109 damage they deal after Intimidating Shout ends."
azerite trait coming in 8.1
inner onyx
yup
ember arrow
that is impactful?
inner onyx
LOL
ember arrow
holy moly
inner onyx
that's HUGE for key tanking
mystic zenith
2 mins, i believe
ember arrow
and how long does it last
inner onyx
the current prot rotation has beenm
avatar > shout > spam clap
clap increases the duration of the shout effect
ember arrow
that actually sounds like a trait we would see on artifact
inner onyx
which reduces damage by 30%
ember arrow
I.E. not passive bs
inner onyx
and then the other warrior talent reduces cooldownf or shout based on how much rage you use
ember arrow
intim isnt same
inner onyx
so it's generally up in like 30-60seconds
inner onyx
oooooh shit
sick sentinel
intimidating shout 1.5min CD
mystic zenith
but damage still break the effect...
sick sentinel
no reduction from AM.
ember arrow
1.5min is still good
inner onyx
the reason frost mage is top tier in m+ is the slow right
soft kindle
Lasts 8 seconds, breaks when the hidden damage is met
ember arrow
if u got a frost mage, you dont need any slow talents
granite stump
And root
sick sentinel
IS is used intelligently by warrs as an AOE interrupt in mythic+.
soft kindle
It's probably gonna be good for dps warrs to help out, but it'd depend on your other options as prot
timid jay
soft kindle
also helps to avoid mobs running into other packs and pulling them
sick sentinel
wouldn't use it though over its interrupt role in mythic+
sick sentinel
thats not the point.
ionic ridge
....
sick sentinel
there are uninterruptible casts you should interrupt. this does that.
inner onyx
you'd never hold it back if it had an azerite trait
taht gave a slow + damage reduction
soft kindle
it still serves a good purpose
inner onyx
except for those small niche packs that it does interrupt
mystic zenith
but you would only use IS if SW is on cd, right?
soft kindle
This adds a bonus to that purpose
inner onyx
like the monkeys whirldwind in SOB for instance
sick sentinel
regardless of 'spell lock' or not, it interrupts casts. just like your stuns do.
inner onyx
ya exaftly @soft kindle
soft kindle
I'm disagreeing with you
sick sentinel
this kid trolling?
soft kindle
itschilly, whether troll or not
This trait looks very good for dps warrs in m+ and pvp, For prot, It would depends a lot on your other option
in regards to the ring
but I can easily see it having some use
soft kindle
It's a defensive trait dude
soft kindle
π€¦
ionic ridge
....
inner onyx
why do dps warriors need damage reduction?
sick sentinel
smh
soft kindle
There are three rings of traits
the third ring
has two options
it is defensive
that is where this is
do you want a picture
mystic zenith
i dont think so
inner onyx
i know how the new ring works
sick sentinel
4th and 5th ring coming in 8.1 higher ilvl azerites.
which I'm sure you'll want 32+ and higher neck for to unlock anyway.
next goblet
hopefully 8.1 brings us some promising things
inner onyx
this trait is likely on the new outer ring
not the inner defensive ring, but who knows
soft kindle
Jesus
sick sentinel
so far, not really.
inner onyx
based on what?
next goblet
@sick sentinel well thats shitty
inner onyx
none of the current defensive inner ring traits function liek this, they are generally passive. add an absorb shield, more health from rallying cry, etc
sick sentinel
π€·
next goblet
oh well , just keep playing on the higher skill floor i suppose
soft kindle
sick sentinel
blizz wants you to play more. if you want the things, better be upgrading your neck.
soft kindle
Based on literally testing it on the ptr
granite stump
Lool
soft kindle
I have no mouth and yet I must scream
next goblet
so uh.. are BDK and BrM getting nerfed?
sick sentinel
wtf thats inner ring holy fucking shit.
soft kindle
Apparently so
sick sentinel
smh
inner onyx
thought you were highlighting the outer ring
next goblet
wait that plate gear looks fucking sick
inner onyx
m plate set looks dope
next goblet
^^
next goblet
it really does
soft kindle
Numbers are far from balanced on new traits. Fury's new BT trait is literally doing double the damage of rampage
raven kernel
lolwat
granite stump
Dont nerf
soft kindle
other traits are barely there or similarly busted, have to wait for proper tuning
oh yeah, it's funny as fuck
granite stump
Let us be op
soft kindle
Serahline, Slouch, and me were comparing dummy shit
granite stump
Bc + New bt
mystic zenith
lol
soft kindle
I've also drifted off topic, my bad
mystic zenith
wtb that hps on my prot
granite stump
Haha hope blizz let it last forawhile
gray parrot
mornin
raven kernel
Intimidating Presence Azerite Power
Intimidating Shout reduces the movement speed of affected enemies by 50%, and prevents the next 16270 damage they deal after Intimidating Shout ends.
scaling at 385
thats legit strong af
on a big pull
gray parrot
I managed to increase my uptime on DS by 15-20% but I have no clue how you could get 50%+ uptime
you fellas who can pull that off are absolute animals
next goblet
moar haste
higher haste + 5 stacks of ITF can make your TC literally as short of a CD as the GCD
so you literally just spam it
raven kernel
whats the breakpoint for that π€
next goblet
also, make sure you spend your rage to reduce the CD lol
gray parrot
im looking at my logs and im like "I feel like i did so much better than last week....what?! only 41.65% uptime?!"
yea i need to do a better job of rage dumping
next goblet
thats a big part of it
@raven kernel i have no idea, i'd like to know though π€
because with the rage dump, if you do it right on pull for example, you can have demo shout off CD before avatar ends
gray parrot
also I got a piece of Azerite with AotT finally but i dunno if its better or not
and i hate it when its not super obvious
it would be replacing Blood Sport and Azurite Veins
waxen cradle
They also threw in Gathering Storm as a attempt to make Ravager less garbage for Prot by making it grant strength stacking until it ends after 6 secs. I wish they would let that talent die and not try and prop it up with a azerite trait
gray parrot
Archive of the Titans
next goblet
oh
oblique garnet
^
next goblet
LEL
nvm
yes i have
isn't archive only good once it hits higher stacks for prot though?
gray parrot
do the stacks only count after you obtain the piece? or does it back track?
next goblet
it back tracks i think
gray parrot
cause I have cleared normal twice, heroic 3 times (but only Ghuun once)
gray parrot
so I assume I have enough stacks
next goblet
i dont use it solely because i dont have very many stacks
i do more m+ than i do raid
gray parrot
gotcha
gray parrot
I dont have the raidbots addon :/
next goblet
dont need it
just need the simulationcraft one
type /simc
then go to the raidbots website
well
copy and paste
oblique garnet
You mean reorigination array stacks?
gray parrot
yes
next goblet
yes ^
oblique garnet
So you have 4 stacks
gray parrot
is that enough to make it worth it?
sick sentinel
that's like 300 haste
gray parrot
i got the piece near the end of the run so i didnt have time to check if it was a pure upgrade and equip it right away
sick sentinel
you can get stacks from lfr π
oblique garnet
And normal
gray parrot
our other tank is a BDK
next goblet
i was SUPPOSED to MT this xpac but my work schedule laid the pipe to that
gray parrot
he MTs most things except Taloc...I get taloc cause I can leap
oblique garnet
But you can only get stacks once a week
gray parrot
yea I have at least 4 stack then
gray parrot
yea im finally starting to get multiple azerite pieces
soft kindle
oh shit, totally didn't occur to me, yall don't really sim much
gray parrot
still only ONE with DC tho...and its 355 -_-
oblique garnet
Cant sim prot but can sim other specs
Never letting someone else tank my m+ key again had a blood dk in freehold and he just could deal with any of the packs
Couldnt
gray parrot
silly BDKs
oblique garnet
I honestly dont even know
next goblet
like literally all he had to do was use bonestorm
and he'd be fine
a max RP bonestorm*
what level of a key?
next goblet
wow
gray parrot
i get to try a +10 this week for the first time
hoping it goes better than your run XD
soft kindle
and TD
gray parrot
i got a +8 AD that i wanna try and push
hoping to +2 it since its the best week for AD
gray parrot
last week we did a +8 AD in 28 mins with 1 wipe
fingers crossed it goes a bit better this week
need to find a rogue tho
oblique garnet
Yeah last week was alot easier
gray parrot
this week is great for AD
oblique garnet
You could just face tank everything while pulling half of the instance
Last week
But not this week
mortal carbon
m+ wise haste vers ring 375 or vers mastery ring 380 with avoidance
gray parrot
who here is good with warcraft logs?
Can you let me know if my EHRPS should be higher or lower than other non prot-warrior tanks in a dual tank fight?
dreamy owl
Hey guys am I doing something wrong or does playing prot feel like playing whack a mole? So many buttons to press
The gcd feels so awkward
elder skiff
it is a bit, especially ignore pain being on GCD is a bummer
old zephyr
Prot should never have "oh shit" moment
Because we are bad at6it and very good at preventing it
gray parrot
it isnt up to me normally
we can't heal ourselves well so if my hp drops below 20% I pop my Oh Shit
old zephyr
Don't play with bad healers.
But you should still get to know What ot gonna make you drop and press the oh shit before that
Because we are bad at healing oursrlves si once we are at 20% It's to late
gray parrot
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I play with my guild...everyone is working to get better. An "Oh Shit" Macro has worked for me so far
no complaints π
old zephyr
It works but as a prot, when you press oh shit, most of the time it Will not save you Because you are not really needing it anymore
gray parrot
oof
oblique garnet
The only time oh shit moment happens when laser matrix goes and pulls 2 extra packs on fortified
gray parrot
yea i dnno why we have defensive CDs tbh
old zephyr
Using it before you take the Damage Will let you gain more from it AND avoir overlap with healers
old zephyr
I'll not tell you It's easy to do well. But that's What we should all aim to
gray parrot
it is not a matter of easy v hard
I am not going to use my big defensives for no reason
old zephyr
As a rule of thumb Last stand and demo shout should be used on CD
oblique garnet
Just do what sense does and do it better 8)
gray parrot
prot wars get constant heals...without a ton of communication from healers on "there is gonna be a gap...I cant heal tank for X seconds" I have no clue when that is gonna happen
oblique garnet
Dont use last stand if you have sb charges
old zephyr
And Shield wall for mechanics Where you have nothing else
gray parrot
it makes WAY MORE SENSE for me to save defensive CDs for those moments
than to just waste them and assume I will have 12s of no heals
I prefer to be efficient instead of rolling dice and praying
old zephyr
Might be Γ healer thing then
They have to Learn to play with New tanks and New prot
vocal nimbus
i'd say prot gotta use its cds to avoid getting into the oh shit moments
the cooldown is fairly low to use them that way
gray parrot
my point is you have no idea when those moments are coming
vocal nimbus
π€
oblique garnet
I dont think we even have a window where we are more than 1-2s without any defensives
vocal nimbus
if you know a fight/dungeon you will know
gray parrot
no
vocal nimbus
when those memoents are coming
gray parrot
this has nothing to do with mechanics of fights
old zephyr
When I was doing m+ with est druid What we did was :
I use all cds on pull back to each other so HΓ© just drop Γ HoT and6focus on other things.
Then 1min later when everything is down HΓ© pays attention to me for Γ while and we start again
vocal nimbus
it has
gray parrot
no im putting Oh Shit moments when I dont get heals for extended periods of time for any given reason
vocal nimbus
thats missplay which shouldnt be happening to begin with
gray parrot
which can happen if the raid has issues and the healers are pressed for work
limber wigeon
The idea is that you use the cd before the damage spike. Like mythrax swap. Yeah you take some damage on the cleave, but then the other tank takes over. You might be at 20% after it hits, but shield wall and healer externals won't do anything because you aren't taking damage.
gray parrot
that isnt my misplay
vocal nimbus
i know
gray parrot
i am playing that correctly...buying my healers some time to catch up
vocal nimbus
but its missplay nonetheless
old zephyr
If you use the CD before thΓ© Damage happen you don't need to be healed in the first place
gray parrot
lol
oblique garnet
Mythrax cleave what?
gray parrot
4x I dont know how else to explain this
oblique garnet
Are you standing in front of the boss when he does essence shear and you are not tanking it?
gray parrot
those instances are literally not predictable unless you can see the future of 19 people
this is not something debatable bro
vocal nimbus
π€·
if something out of the prediction happens thats missplay
may be others' fault
but missplay anyways
gray parrot
no amount of boss mods or weak auras will tell me "Hey your DPS will shit the bed in 10s and blow a Ghuun debuff inside of 5 people and the healers will stop healing you for 12 seconds...you will need to pop CDs in 5s to prevent dying"
old zephyr
95% of People here can prΓ©dict thΓ© oh shit and not let it happen
limber wigeon
No, I'm saying you are tanking it until sheer. I'm giving an example of how using cds at low hp can be bad. Because after sheer you take nothing because of the swap, but your health is low.
astral crystal
to be fair, mythic fights are heavily scripted
as in most events happen on a set, very defined timer
or are supposed to if you execute it properly
old zephyr
If your dps wipe the raid, they Will wipe thΓ© raid, CD or no CD
oblique garnet
^
gray parrot
yes they fukt up...but I can use my CDs to bear that burden
astral crystal
no, you shouldn't
old zephyr
They should
astral crystal
there's major setbacks in mythic fights that slow down future parts of it
if multipel dps pop orbs you're probably better off wiping
mythic fights are about mechanical execution
astral crystal
just sayin
limber wigeon
Sure, but you should be able to tell that shit is going down. Either someone saying "get out get out get out, tons of orbs" or by just watching the raid.
oblique garnet
We went from m+ to heroic to mythic real quick
astral crystal
o i thought we were talking about mythic
gray parrot
/facepalm
astral crystal
in difficulties under mythic it's whatever, damage and mechanics aren't tightly tuned, you can get away with anything
old zephyr
Octane never said anything specific, just "oh shit"
Hence us beeing confused by thΓ© content level
gray parrot
I like how my suggestion of having a macro to someone struggling with having lots of keybindings turns into "you should never try and help your raid...balaaaaahhhhhggG"
oblique garnet
It was in the context of m+
chrome falcon
I think having an "oh shit" macro for your defensive cooldowns leads to bad habits
and shouldn't be encouraged
gray parrot
M+ was never brought up
chrome falcon
Better to learn how to actually use shield wall
astral crystal
i agree that a macro that bundles all your survivability is a bad idea though
they're rotational
not a single dump
limber wigeon
None of our cds are long
gray parrot
anything over 60s is long
astral crystal
you take AM, octane?
gray parrot
if I cant use it multiple times during a single tanking of a dual-tanked boss....its a long CD
what are you referring to as AM?
oblique garnet
Anger management
astral crystal
anger management
gray parrot
of course
astral crystal
well, your CDs shouldn't be that long then
oblique garnet
Shield wall is the only one that might not be up multiple times for a fight
limber wigeon
You can easily shield wall 2-3 times in most raiding encounters.
chrome falcon
Also that person was referring to their rotation
gray parrot
AM doesnt impact all my CDs
gray parrot
no
oblique garnet
It does
gray parrot
it doesnt
old zephyr
Bolster Shield wall demo shout avatar
gray parrot
i use what i have
old zephyr
Don't use trinket Shield
topaz badger
guys, is there a max to where we stack haste? I've got like 44% haste in raids atm
gray parrot
until I get something better
oblique garnet
Trinket shield?
old zephyr
Go farm rezan and blocades
gray parrot
Mchimbas Ritual Bandages
astral crystal
as much haste as humanly possible @topaz badger
old zephyr
Stacks ALL the haste
gray parrot
365 with a socket
topaz badger
ok π
old zephyr
But ilvl First (aside for trinkets Maybe)
old zephyr
Rezan is so amazing
topaz badger
I have the 370 head from mother and I have a 385 head from mythic+ chest (iron fortress)
gray parrot
so again...I use the best I can with what drops
oblique garnet
Rezan is meh
old zephyr
So much haste, so much rage, so much amazing
topaz badger
I don't have any other pieces with uldir trait
I should use the 370 head then right?
wild bolt
In Uldir, yep.
gray parrot
negative ghost rider
assumptions assumptions assumptions XD
so much lul this morning
oblique garnet
Why have rezans when you can have 370 howler
old zephyr
Because I love thΓ© haste
oblique garnet
I have 48% haste in uldir
chrome falcon
If you don't have a base mythic level trinket then you must be playing less than an hour a week
idle ferry
370 howler and 370 rezan better than taking darkmoon?
chrome falcon
Yes
oblique garnet
I have so many trinkets already its getting annoying
Theres different ones for every occasion
old zephyr
How ?
oblique garnet
Preferences like on zul for example i like having veiled eye because it helps me survive the debuff
old zephyr
I run eye and rezan for every occasion, haven't had any troubles yet
signal plover
Doesn't mean there aren't viable situational alternatives
oblique garnet
Blockades is good fathoms is good the gore crit block is good
old zephyr
Critblock ?
oblique garnet
Crit proc
old zephyr
Oh right
oblique garnet
Gore crusted or smth it was called iirc
azure hawk
hello, quick question, I know that as tank I should prioritize ilvl over everything else, but what when it comes to rings that don't have strength along with stamina? for rings should I prioritize ilvl or stats?
old zephyr
Mostly ilvl
signal plover
There's more room for variance there but mostly ilvl because secondaries are pretty close in value ATM
old zephyr
Stats are so6close to each other
chrome falcon
I'd go down 10 ilvls to trade crit for haste depending on the weights
old zephyr
More total stats is better than specific stats
chrome falcon
But other than that it's all about the same
old zephyr
For raid Maybe
For dungeon don't touch my crit
Crit I the best dΓ©fensive stat, just so unreliable we don't really like it
signal plover
@azure hawk
azure hawk
ok I'll just stick to ilvl then
topaz badger
I have a crit trinket, from warfront boss, I love it
chrome falcon
I wish haste was actually better than the other stats considering it's the only one you actually notice in gameplay
frosty wedge
I dunno, I feel like it is - being able to do everything faster definitely has a tangible impact on survivability AND dps
sour osprey
I heard that haste is very good to focus at the begining but at some point you need to focus more on the other stats
chrome falcon
It is MARGINALLY better but I mean like i wish it was worth prioritising
The only stat that actually matters for tanks anymore is your ilvl
It's just kind of depressing
dusk locust
keeping an item 15 ilvls lower because of its secondaries was kind of lame though
sour osprey
+1 Kauda
chrome falcon
Being able to feel my character become faster and stronger and start to crit more felt better
dusk locust
i think that's still a thing. just instead of only being allowed to upgrade your gear if it has haste on it, you can upgrade it with whatever stats, then chase a haste piece later
this coming from someone who probably has unusually poor luck with haste pieces
haha
chrome falcon
I guess I mostly just miss ultimatum lol
Back in the days of shield slam actually doing something
Hey are we writing an open letter to blizzard as well
Complaining about the fact that our abilities that used to do 3 things now only do 1
sick sentinel
Complexity is hard one thing should only do 1
chrome falcon
Maybe we should assemble all the tank discords and complain about the fact that literally nothing we do matters and the best role in the game became the worst overnight
sick sentinel
You'll scare people that they actually have to read, and read their skills no less
chrome falcon
God remember when shield slam increased duration on shield block and gave you free focused rage
Good times
fallen gorge
i would be happy enough if i would stop seeing "no prot warriors" in LFG
storm valley
unsubbed this past week
sick sentinel
They are NEVER wrong
storm valley
from the subreddit that is
fallen gorge
blood dks are toping - or almost - healing meters, meanwhile we are paper tanks
limber wigeon
we're not really paper, but we could definitely use a couple more tools
delicate prism
sick sentinel
Well
fallen gorge
nah, i love my prot pally and blood dk
steel mauve
You're only a paper tank if you play poorly
steel mauve
Like we dont get hit that hard, least dmg taken and erhps
That doesnt literally mean paper
fallen gorge
that alone, no
steel mauve
In m+ that equates to utility, not defensive capabilities
We are the highest dps tank, and we take the least dmg
sick sentinel
If a class isn't ease of access to the general wow pop then it's bad
Or at least there spec in this case
sand egret
the playerbase will always gravitate towards the easiest possible solution, regardless of the difference
sick sentinel
MM is fun to play but no one is going to lie that ur set up for failure because the best talents are chanced based
sick sentinel
When lol
sick sentinel
Haha
strong forum
Prot warri is literally one of the beefiest tanks wtf are you talking about
sick sentinel
Aside from that I can't fault anyone for not being committed to prot warrior
sand egret
But anyway funny Prot anecdote from yesterday, I had this monk (who was WW) start going off about my "hp being low" for this M+. Meanwhile, I'm here like...."that tells me you literally have no idea how Prot works, do you?"
strong forum
99% of players know nothing but memes bout prot warri
I get told lots of times that "wow prot is actually working"
sand egret
I get that literally every other run
strong forum
"I was sceptical but you changed my mind"
sand egret
like i'm some shield jesus
it's like bruh,
we just happen to be a spec that can fail if you suck.
sick sentinel
Also @strong forum just because we are beefy and deal a lot of damage does no change how hard we are to get good at unlike the other tanks
We don't have ease of access like brm or bdk
strong forum
I don't care about taking skill, I have it, if you don't but complain its not a class issue
sick sentinel
Sounds more like a you problem then
strong forum
Well it's almost entirely a "you problem" with prot
sand egret
Prot is "it's a you problem": The Spec
strong forum
Exactly
snow hinge
having my raid tank who is prot teach me the ins and outs of the spec because I want to start tanking stuff. he shared screens with me to show me how he does his rotation and all the little stuff and my god was I suprised about how high of a skill ceiling this spec has compared to what I assumed
sick sentinel
But also what's it's biggest negative
snow hinge
yeah hard specs are a lot more fun
sick sentinel
Fun to play when ur doing it right, poor and bad experience for new players
Esp those wanting to learn
signal plover
I don't think it's a negative in anything other than it's contribution to community perception
strong forum
Yeah, that's why I don't pay attention to any nerds flaming about tanks, cuz 99% of the time it's shitters who flame
Not people who are actually good at what they do
sick sentinel
Yes but not looking at it from a person who wants to try it iut
Out*
Ur good at that's fine
strong forum
It's off putting ofc
But if they actually want to try something AND SEE IT'S POSSIBLE they should think about what they're doing wrong
snow hinge
I did a +8 kings rest last night to test my tanking ability because Iβm still learning it and had an arms warrior die from the first adds that do the shock thing on the ground and he said the tank was trash and instantly left the group lmao
signal plover
It's really easy for someone new to the spec to fall for the negative confirmation bias
The randomly targeted ability?
Kek
strong forum
Suppression slam
snow hinge
Yes
strong forum
How does that 1shit in +8
snow hinge
like I donβt control that shit
sick sentinel
Because it's fort this week
snow hinge
it was both adds together
strong forum
Kek
snow hinge
he took a double hit lol
strong forum
Brainlet
signal plover
Honestly he was probably just looking for an excuse to leave
strong forum
Yup
signal plover
Nothing u can do there
He didn't get a BDK tank so he wasn't gonna push his +19 this week and was upset
snow hinge
disregarding the bosses, kings rest is probably balls this week anyways
signal plover
Ya Zul is probably rough
strong forum
Kr isn't that bad tbh
snow hinge
yeah the first boss last week was a group killer
strong forum
But this week in general is aids
First boss is "bring a frostmage and you are fine" that's literally it
sick sentinel
Remember we are the tank, and we are basically holding the hands of our goldfish windowlicker groups
snow hinge
that would have been handy lol
mellow bridge
Frost mage makes it super easy, but any decent aoe slow works
strong forum
1st boss is literally slow and kite the adds and ignore everything
mellow bridge
assa rogue with perma 50% slow, dnd from dk with slow skilled, etc
frosty wedge
man, brought a boomie to K... mass entangle is a 30s CC with a 30s CD
sick sentinel
Wow
mellow bridge
I'd rather have typhoon tbh
frosty wedge
we just entirely ignored adds
sick sentinel
A druid used mass roots
sick sentinel
It's a fucking miracle
sick sentinel
Typhoon is worse then Mass
frosty wedge
yeah no I love ME
strong forum
Kr isn't that dangerous, just the room after 1st boss and MAYBE 3rd
frosty wedge
people just forget to use it
sick sentinel
I'd love if people didnt
signal plover
Also treants
frosty wedge
yes!
wild bolt
Mained a Druid during Antorus... fell in love with ME on Coven and have loved it ever since.
sick sentinel
Typhoon is good for displacement or a quick delay not as an actual slow
frosty wedge
no one uses treants, or earth elementals nearly enough
wild bolt
Yeah Rockboi is strong.
sick sentinel
The boomies I've runned with have always gone treants thank god
chrome falcon
I fucking hate mass roots
It's so annoying that you have to do like 30k damage to break them
sick sentinel
Unless adds are about to get pulled, why would u worry
chrome falcon
Because I'm trying to pull out the infested mob (or pull the 4 things around the infested mob)