as long as a dk doesnt die
#protection
ember arrow
it doesnt matter
if they take more dmg fro mautos
its not metigation based like warr
we dont try to reduce dmg
waht is vottw
sand egret
boneshield is a flat armor buff now?
ember arrow
it scales with strength
sand egret
used to be % damage reduction right
sand egret
ook, so it's a % of your str into armor while its active?
restive matrix
Their heal that is based on damage taken, is that damage taken before or after reductions?
restive matrix
Im at like 9k armor on my warr at 373
sand egret
what % is that armor
restive matrix
DK armor nerfed, DK healing intensifies
sand egret
so you become more "spiky"
ember arrow
sicne u cant heal those off
dk arent spiky
unless u got a healer that doesnt know how the class works
sand egret
more spikey
astral crystal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
restive matrix
My numbers were off for prot warr
sand egret
hmm, yeah this sounds more like a long-term change
sand egret
since it'll scale up as the expansion goes on
ember arrow
its to heal dmg up, while not being oneshot
i dont care if i reduce something by 50% or 44
sand egret
it's probably to prevent final tier BDKs from getting high ass armor in addition to their current base
as ilvl scales up that armor value is getting closer and closer to cap
something I don't think they want for the BDK
restive matrix
Dont DKs get armor on Boneshield from Str as well, not sure how big a nerf this actually even is
ember arrow
15% armor is substantial, but its missing the point
@restive matrix not big
8%
since boenshield isnt affected
armor from BS is based off strength
its just the passive from gear
sand egret
its a way to scale boneshield to gear increases
restive matrix
Be curious, how much armor do you have iwth boneshield up
ember arrow
scroll up
restive matrix
And how much with runeforge str bonus active
sand egret
VotTW double dips a bunch, definitely seems like a long-term change
restive matrix
Oh, was the 6.6k with BS?
restive matrix
nah
sand egret
it was slow to load for a bit, if that's what you mean
ember arrow
yea
sand egret
it popped up tho
ember arrow
@restive matrix gonna see 1 sec
sand egret
well my take is that change isn't directed at BDK's now, but rather final tier BDKs if they continued to scale in the way they do currently
since they gain armor from STR, raw ilvl increase, and additional scaling of 15% of that raw armor increase
removing it from the passive allows them to more actively tune BS itself in the future
restive matrix
Alright, so not getting a ton from strength then, thats not too crazy
sand egret
what's your % reduction in total
restive matrix
I meant more, the armor bonus from strength is not too crazy
restive matrix
Should see DH armor before Demon SPikes :p
sand egret
kinda
ember arrow
in content
sand egret
it's a different type of damage profile though, it's hard to say its a 1:1 thing
ember arrow
this was a KR 11
sand egret
specifically, there is a very important caveat
sand egret
which is being able to act to complete the loop. Your healing isn't automatic after all
restive matrix
Wish I had the numbers from my Freehold 10 yeaserday
restive matrix
Jokes on you, DKs take more dmg from Grievous dot cause of too much HP :smart:
restive matrix
Time for everyone to downgrade their ilvl this week
sand egret
show them % based DoT's who's boss! 😆
restive matrix
Oh yeah, I know :p
Even my DH does not feel much worse than my warr, despite 20 ilvls
Sure my DH gets chunked, but he heals a ton, and just brings so much more utility
restive matrix
I have one of those :p
sand egret
just wait. We gonna get a trait that turns 100% of TClap damage into healing during Avatar. muahahaha
ember arrow
40l hps is standard in any m+ pull usually
onyx vessel
nice mog levko
ember arrow
ikr
onyx vessel
LUL
restive matrix
WTB Bonestorm and AOE grip on every tank :p
ember arrow
i dont wanna get rid of 55% passive haste
restive matrix
Yeah, control undead pretty OP on Kings Rest
restive matrix
Dont do it, its a trap to make grievous do more damage
onyx vessel
is it even possible to get DC on the azurite peices from the emissary
raven kernel
yes
ember arrow
@restive matrix i miss doing this though
restive matrix
Yup
onyx vessel
i feel that is the reason we got nerfed
onyx vessel
problem was most of it was from the shield
ember arrow
when wow will die someday. i will equip artifact, go to mulgore
and log off
best times were with the shield
raven kernel
is this the intro to the newest isekai
ember arrow
i dont watch anime
sand egret
turns out you wont log off but instead be stuck in a world filled with BDKs and no one has heard of the "Prot warriors" of old
chrome falcon
I will laugh myself to death if those nerfs on PTR are real
sand egret
in before: "Isn't that now"
chrome falcon
Because they're so irrelevant for making BDK not the best in m+
sand egret
pretty sure those nerfs aren't intended to deal with M+ and stuff
chrome falcon
Ofc they are bladesong
sand egret
it's more of a future-proof change
chrome falcon
They don't need to nerf BDK for raiding lol
chrome falcon
Did you actually think blizz would do intelligent nerfs
That allow BDK to sitll be playable in raids
ember arrow
here we go
chrome falcon
While not being 100% of the competitive meta in m+
candid vine
Who got nerfed?
sand egret
some ptr notes went up with string changes
chrome falcon
BDK has a 15% armour nerf and 5% nerf to WotN
Which will make them incredibly bad in raids and still the best in m+
sand egret
most notably the passive scaling mechanism for DKs lost the armor part
chrome falcon
Because blizzard doesn't understand anything about their own game
sand egret
however, we're not exposed to any other changes that aren't on that side, so like usually we're talking about half-info
ember arrow
matta, why do you hate bdk, instead of wanting all tanks to be on par
raven kernel
whats your armor now levko
sand egret
he posted a SS but it was ~6.6k @raven kernel
chrome falcon
Levko why are you always trying to start shit with me while simultaneously claiming that I always try to start shit with you
raven kernel
oh
chrome falcon
There is no ability as powerful as mass grip in m+
ember arrow
@raven kernel and its 6.9k with FC proc, which has a 70% uptime
chrome falcon
There is nothing you can DO to other tanks to make them as good as BDK as long as mass grip remains unchanged
raven kernel
im 8.8k afk in town 😐
sand egret
haha shields baby
chrome falcon
Yes
sand egret
DS to me is the same as Stagger
chrome falcon
So nerfing DS isn't the answer
ember arrow
well its the only way
chrome falcon
The answer is nerfing what makes them broken in m+
chrome falcon
Lets just ignore the fact that everyone who is actually good at this game says that mass grip and bonestorm are the problem
chrome falcon
Do you just spend all your time trolling in class discords
wind wedge
Imo warriors would benerfit from having the legion TC debuff made base line. Cant remember the name of it
chrome falcon
I saw you start shit about azerite in DK discord too
ember arrow
no, i play bdk, you dont, you dont even know how their abilities work
chrome falcon
When the best m+ players in the world are saying mass grip and bonestorm are the reason BDK is the best tank
I listen to them over you
I'm sorry if that offends you
raven kernel
random thought: would it be broken if we had 10% leech baseline
sand egret
it would make us harder to tune
chrome falcon
It's not because they have authority it's because they have skill
I have seen these people do +18s in time
I know they are good players
Who understand the game
chrome falcon
Therefore I listen to them over someone who still has never linked his rio
vocal nimbus
bonestorm is what allows bdks to make crazy pulls
molten stream
This one is unpleasant
sand egret
I believe the point isn't the healing, its the ability to easily facilitate large pulls
thorn yarrow
yikes I wonder when the Warrior discord became the DK discord
wind wedge
Maybe in a 3rd charge of block or lowering the csmd abit?
sand egret
the healing is ofc strong, but it's the insane capacity to completely reposition a pack to a place of your choosing
kind urchin
Overall healing deathstrike ( if used properly) will do an absurd amount of healing. bonestorm just makes you invincible in massive pulls.
ember arrow
puill big
sand egret
no
ember arrow
massive healing allows u to pull big
if u had massgrip but bad healing
you couldnt
sand egret
beacuse you simply CANT pull certain packs in the same way
raven kernel
they should give us cd reduction on shield block like monk brews
put it on shield slam and devastate
kind urchin
It's not really one or the other. It's the combination of the abilities that make them so good.
wind wedge
Yes!!!!
kind urchin
Rei, I've been saying the same thing in multiple posts on the forums for months now.
wind wedge
Rei that legit sounds good as
raven kernel
i played my 110 monk for timewalking
and i was like
this shit is ridic i get back my 4th charge before my isb runs out
wind wedge
Lol
kind urchin
If they're worried about us being to overpowered with 100% uptime on shield block then just make is so while shield block is active our block is x% less effective.
thorn yarrow
inb4 Mastery gives us "int" cause its "something"
kind urchin
I need Int... I'm a dumb warrior.
raven kernel
The WoW Reddit will be posting community feedback megathreads on class spec/design this week. The schedule is as follows:
Monday - Death Knight, Druid, and Demon Hunter.
Wednesday - Paladin, Shaman, Monk, and Priest.
Friday - Warrior, Hunter, Rogue, Mage, and Warlock.
who's writing for prot war? @fierce juniper ?
sand egret
I really doubt they'd create a trade-off like SB being less effective when its up sort of thing
vagrant cape
I mean, to be fair Rei, ISB doesn't actually mitigate any damage while SB mitigates a buttload
quartz lake
When I first started playing wow back in 06 I had bought spirit gear off vendors. I was wondering why I kept dying on mobs in redridge mountains....
raven kernel
Byron: true, and im not asking for ISB levels of uptime
cinder pasture
My casual guild is now a mythic guild ! 😛
ember arrow
hype
sand egret
eyyyy grats!
fierce juniper
@raven kernel Myself and Lala mainly
raven kernel
but the idea of cd reduction is nice
cinder pasture
Even got the pants from him ❤
sand egret
you quite literally have your big-boy pants now
kind urchin
It's the combination of ISB and PB that make up the mitigation. You use ISB to get more stagger then purify to mitigate it. So ISB indirectly mitigates more if you use PB properly.
raven kernel
@fierce juniper do you think the idea of reducing cd on shield block via shieldslam/devastate - ala monk brews is feasible? would you put it in as a possible idea?
i dont think it'd be overpowered considering we barely have the gcd for devastate anyway
sand egret
@raven kernel doesn't that just feed into the weirdness of our rotation anyway?
fierce juniper
Err, it's certainly something they could do. I don't think it's a particularly good idea though. It would be better to just reduce the cooldown on sblock
raven kernel
well a baseline cd reduction would be more welcome lol
but somehow i doubt blizz will agree
lusty grotto
i mean magical damage is still an issue though
sand egret
depends how they value how a warrior plays
kind urchin
If they were planning on reducing shield block cd then that would make bolster much less effective.
lusty grotto
it's partially why demo is so strong
chrome falcon
I think they should make all our level 100 talents baseline
Ravager is too cool to not be allowed to use
And HR should just be baseline
lusty grotto
hjaha
sand egret
they could easily homogenize tanks across the board, but I don't think they are going to
raven kernel
@fierce juniper please mention somewhere about letting us block ranged physical attacks kappa
vagrant cape
Ion said they're looking at tank damage. That's the only concrete change I feel assured of for the future; Our damage is gonna get nerfed and I'm gonna cry about it.
sand egret
oh god, yes
fierce juniper
@raven kernel yep, we will
sand egret
mention the Rocks
chrome falcon
Also with increased haste we don't need more block uptime
Our block uptime if fine if you don't play like shit
lusty grotto
wait what? i thought we could block ranged physicals already
raven kernel
DWAYNE JOHNSON STAHP PLS
chrome falcon
We need utility
Taunt should silence mobs
And mass grip needs to go so people have any reason to not bring a bdk
vagrant cape
I trust the prot warrior designer to come up with a good solution.
mellow bridge
We can't nimchip
chrome falcon
I don't
lusty grotto
remember that heroic throw thing where it silenced mobs?
chrome falcon
He's probably fucking retarded given how look right now
urban walrus
So, my guild failed to reclear fetid mythic, we have a new holy pala - am I asking too much to be topped between thrashs? - Should other healers be helping out too?
lusty grotto
seriously @mellow bridge ? since when? i thought we could, my life has been a lie
sand egret
@vagrant cape I'm with you. We'll probably take a hit to our damage output (it is kinda absurd) but we'll get some QoL with the feel of the spec (which is really what I want)
vagrant cape
If you're not getting topped then the healers are probly picking up slack elsewhere in the raid
urban walrus
I'm guessing so too
raven kernel
@urban walrus you sure as hell should be topped
solid mist
I mean like... the entire point of thrash tanking is to take a big hit, mitigate what you can, then get topped off so you can take the next one. What... are they expecting you to do exactly?
brazen sequoia
Does Azerite Veins stack then?
sand egret
yep
brazen sequoia
I have 2 items with it
dark junco
Yep
brazen sequoia
coolio
dark junco
Helm + shoulders OP
mellow bridge
I'd gladly trade some of our dmg for utility and survivability vs non blockable dmg
lusty grotto
calm down satan
brazen sequoia
xD
sand egret
basic rule of thumb: @brazen sequoia is if the tooltip increases/decreases with the ilvl of the piece, that stat will prob stack
vagrant cape
I'm fine with having less reliable mitigation in exchange for aoe dps that tops the meters
next ermine
I just want some self sustain
vagrant cape
I'm a meter whore
dark junco
Remove crit block, add 20% base mitigation. Change my mind.
next ermine
Seriously
lusty grotto
ok seriously CALM DOWN SATAN
mellow bridge
Meter whores should play dps probably 🤔
vagrant cape
But what will our mAstErY Do?!?!?
raven kernel
im a dps main muyuu 🤔
vagrant cape
I'm not good enough at fury or arms. I get orange parses on prot but blue to grey on dps
dark junco
Add 20% baseline mitigation and a % stacking mitigation from mastery.
dark junco
It’ll be bad lol
raven kernel
i hope the mastery is really good so i have a reason to stack it
daring marlin
BRING BACK GAG ORDER
raven kernel
then i can maintain my high AP
lusty grotto
was gag order the heroic throw silence?
vagrant cape
I want all stats to be balled into one number called Goodness. The more goodness you have the more good you are. Ez.
sand egret
Gag Order 👍
raven kernel
yes
lusty grotto
yeah bring it back
daring marlin
@lusty grotto yes
raven kernel
gag order used to work in pvp for a short while
raven kernel
was broken
daring marlin
shattering was gr8
raven kernel
literally fucked mages
daring marlin
I’d take that shit in a heartbeat
lusty grotto
shattering was amazing for raid dmg
sand egret
lol Shattering Throw now makes uninterruptable casts, interruptable
BOOM
fuck your rocks
vagrant cape
I don't think literally means what you think it means
chrome falcon
The thing is
When they give us utility, it can't just be something that makes packs easier
raven kernel
its the internet meaning of literally byron
chrome falcon
Like a silence
raven kernel
cmon
chrome falcon
It has to be something that makes the run faster
Otherwise BDK will be 100% mdi representation again
vagrant cape
I'll see myself out
jovial forge
daring marlin
BDK justified their slot cuz of brez too
next ermine
BDK will be %100 of MDI even if every tank gets a buff probably. We really have to wait until we see their nerfs
daring marlin
shit is bonkers
next ermine
Never enough haste
vagrant cape
Alright, rolling BDK. Hold my beer
kind urchin
Challenging shout. Interrupts all spell casts and makes all enemies in a 20 yard range run towards you and attack you for 3 seconds.
solid mist
just make grip only available to non-tank-spec'd DK imo
daring marlin
I miss banners
raven kernel
for mega high dps comps
daring marlin
and disrupting shout
next ermine
You won't beat mass grip and bonestoem though
vagrant cape
I miss when DKs and Monks didn't exist
raven kernel
there are dungeons you dont really need massgrip
daring marlin
massgrip, bonestorm, brez, absurd self healing
vagrant cape
Don't forget waterwalking.
sand egret
those fuckers.
vagrant cape
OP as fucj
sand egret
i forgot about that shit
kind urchin
Add an attack speed reduction back to thunderclap and cause deep wounds to reduce damage enemies deal.
limber tulip
hi
daring marlin
I don’t miss DKs and DHs not existing. It was basically be a Warrior or fuck off
mellow bridge
Let us shout at people so hard that they come back from death Kappa
vagrant cape
I want prot deep wounds to do more, it feels like such a waste of design
daring marlin
except in hyjal I guess
limber tulip
imagine playing warrior
thorny dagger
I heard Paladins didn't tank in other xpacks where DKs existed.
limber tulip
🍿
raven kernel
just give us a vacuum shout
solid mist
orrrrrrrrr 
pulls folks in
mellow bridge
Why do we even have a weapon
vagrant cape
Fus Ro Dah
limber tulip
mellow bridge
Just make us shout to deal damage
next ermine
Ravager pulling mobs in would be sick
thorny dagger
Why do you guys play or talk about trashcans? Im just wondering.
daring marlin
let’s go back to the earlier discussion
sand egret
Deep Wounds on Prot is like....the tanks obiligatory dot haha
daring marlin
about how shit rav is
kind urchin
Did I just see a Skyrim quote?
vagrant cape
Yes, Dovahkiin
daring marlin
less damage than a single revenge over 7 seconds lololol
limber tulip
@raven ore hey dude
mellow bridge
I guess icy veins numbers on the spells are wrong then? I'm not at my. PC rn so I can't check
vagrant cape
DOVAHKIIN DOVAHKIIN NALOK SINDROSE VAH RIEN. WAH DEIN, VOH KUL, MA'FARAAK AST VAL!
chrome falcon
Blizz just does not understand high m+ mentality
steel mauve
none of the tooltips really work any where
vagrant cape
I love that song. Sorry. We need more dragon in our class fantasy
chrome falcon
People ran 0 healers in last mdi for fucks sake
steel mauve
a lot of our talents arent scaled above like level one and shit in the tooltips
daring marlin
dragon chargw baseline
chrome falcon
The only thing that matters is speed speed speed
daring marlin
let’s go boys
chrome falcon
And nothing is anywhere close to mass grip for that
vagrant cape
They're only half assing the dragon warrior fantasy and I want them to whole ass it
sand egret
agreed. warriors need more ass
solid mist
daring marlin
I am Byron and I’m taking the entire ass
limber tulip
how about those bdk buffs
vagrant cape
At least 50% more ass
sand egret
minimum
chrome falcon
Yeah we've always had this kind of weird deathwing connection
daring marlin
YES THE ENTIRE THING
chrome falcon
I want a deathwing shrine
vagrant cape
And dragon roar. It exists.
kind urchin
Well, DH has sigil of chains but they're squishier than DK so they have a little bit lower representation. Still pretty high though.
daring marlin
Shame we can’t use it
sand egret
Dragon Block: Block all attacks for 6 seconds. When an attack is blocked, emit a Dragon roar.
daring marlin
Dragon Roar was so cool in MoP
kind urchin
Lets not forget about one thing. Inconsistent rage generation. It's pretty good in aoe but single target could use a little help.
chrome falcon
Sigil of chains is not close to being as strong as mass grip
Our ability to stand in front of things
and not die
Is perfectly fine
We do not need changes in that area. We need utility and we need to not feel like shit to play
daring marlin
HEATHEN! HISSSSSSSSSSSS
daring marlin
man the rock meme is good but w/e dawg
solid mist
I agree though
daring marlin
The bow bitch after the first boss of king’s rest
young harbor
does the throw rock guys work similar to how the pelters did in nelths?
daring marlin
is my nightmare
chrome falcon
Just press shield wall
solid mist
bringing the skill floor down a bit to help out people who aren't on here reading about how to play better, and more utility
raven ore
@limber tulip 😡
limber tulip
@raven ore imu
thorny dagger
Why are you guys so angry? If they nerf Blood your class doesn't become any less garbage.
limber tulip
yeah lol
chrome falcon
No but I don't get forced into playing blood to make Time Trials
steel mauve
have to be garbage in order to be less garbage
ember arrow
🤔
thorny dagger
I mean you should be playing the best shit in High Mythic + thats like not taking a rogue to Mythic + what is your mindset?
daring marlin
lol this stridex dude is a good meme
chrome falcon
Yeah but BDK is boring as shit to play
limber tulip
more fun than tanking the ground
thorny dagger
So is prot warrior
chrome falcon
I played one in time trials for last MDI and straight up fell asleep during it
kind urchin
The rogue was doing 6k dps... Had to find a new rogue. That's too low even for the utility they bring.
sick sentinel
just got my curve!
thorny dagger
Why because your group was full of pussies?
daring marlin
Mindset is play what you like. 🤡♿️🤡♿️
sick sentinel
double prot warrior tanking
next ermine
@sick sentinel grats
thorny dagger
HEH ignore pain HEH versatility HEH skill HEH Im a warrior
daring marlin
this guy is definitely memeing right? lol
daring marlin
I’m not sure he is ok
next ermine
Pretty sure it's just 2 trolls trying to cause a fuss
chrome falcon
yeah but it's not the strategy now lol
kind urchin
@ember arrow Nope, he was just that bad.
thorny dagger
You literally said blood was boring when all you did was spam Ignore pain for an entire raid.
daring marlin
Is that what’s happening now?
lusty grotto
whoa is someone having a stroke?
daring marlin
I think he is.
limber tulip
CANT WE ALL AGREE
daring marlin
He doesn’t grasp the concept of linear time. Poor guy.
ember arrow
^
thorny dagger
I play Prot Warrior Im chimp.
limber tulip
come play maplestory2 with me now
kind urchin
@ember arrow That one was an 8 Atal.
limber tulip
@raven ore u wanna play some maplestory 2 later [serious]
ember arrow
oof
thorny dagger
Time to move Skyhold so I don't get infected.
raven ore
pls
limber tulip
r u maxxed out already
limber tulip
corey ms2?
raven ore
👌
ember arrow
work
limber tulip
:pepehands:
kind urchin
We finished after 1:34
daring marlin
omegaLUL
kind urchin
He's actually in my guild and I have logs of a normal Uldir (not full clear) from last night with him in it.
next ermine
Did you tell him to hit buttons and not just autoattack?
kind urchin
I had some problems last night. I was getting pissed and was about to start booting some of these people. Including the highest dps that refused to attack any of the adds on Zul.
vagrant cape
I'm obsessed with rethinking prot was a dragon warrior.
Demo shout to demoralizing roar.
Heroic leap becomes Wings of Alexstraza or some shit.
Avatar becomes Dragon Form where we becomes a dragon or something.
Thunderclap can stay the same I guess.
Shield block becomes hardened scales.
Rage can stay the same.
Intimidating shout becomes intimidating roar.
Revenge, devastate, and shield slam become like dragon fang, burning claws, etc. Idc
Why is blizz holding back?!? I think it's because they know they can't compete with maplestory and their dragon knight.
ionic ridge
There IS something for us guys
earnest zinc
Nerfing the best tank isn't going to help us since they will just decline us for a DH instead
ionic ridge
" Arms, Protection:
While Bladestorming, every 1 sec you gain 5% movement speed and 109 Strength, stacking. Lasts 6 sec. "
Prot is getting bladestorm ?
ARE WE GETTING SHIELDSTORM ?
sand egret
....
kind urchin
I'd rather get shield storm.
kind urchin
Cross shield!!!
ionic ridge
sand egret
but I would seriously not be surprised if Bladestorm just appeared in Ravager's Spot
odd ledge
What's dragonknight and is prot better than bdk now?
lament quail
WTB dual wielding shields...
kind urchin
Can we get something like the crusader in D3?
earnest zinc
Yep, we won't survive well, but we can top the meters on AoE trashpacks with Avatar + Bladestorm now
kind urchin
I want spammable shield cross.
mellow bridge
Give me more shouting or give me death
sand egret
ooh I like it
I wanna be a Political Warrior
just shout at mobs
and argue them to death. My active mitigation is fillibuster.
mellow bridge
Make our IP deal aoe dmg because we shout so loud that their eardrums burst
Class solved
nocturne plover
lol
sand egret
"YA'LL SUCK!"
Mobs: "damn...maybe we do...."
hits like a wet noodle
ionic ridge
Do you place a dot on them shouting "You're fired! " ?
sand egret
But Demo Shout doesn't cause an existential crisis within the mobs.
mellow bridge
That's what you think
sand egret
i'm talkin about undermining their confidence at its core
mellow bridge
You're literally shouting at them
And demoralizing
You must be using some nasty words man
sand egret
well if that was the case, I'd fully expect Dark Iron's to have a racially better Demo Shout than other warriors
after all, Scottish insults are superior
dusky mica
I had fun with bladestorm in MoP, not sure if it would work with today's game/lame dev team
daring marlin
Give bladestorm and let you cast defensives during it np
dusky mica
Not really the point, even back then the problem was you didnt generate rage during
dusky mica
it is, and so is dragon roar
daring marlin
Dragon Roar is just a roar as opposed to a whirlwind with a dinky 1H
dusky mica
shockwave should be so fucking mighty that mobs fear you casting it
daring marlin
Now if we had a 2H on the other hand... :^)
dusky mica
not some lame stun that does 0 damage
daring marlin
You mean like wotlk shockwave?
restive matrix
I really dont think AOE is something we need help with in any way though
dusky mica
stronger, it needs to do great damage so I can use it on bosses
Im fine with split damage, but it should hit single mobs for enough to be worth pressing
daring marlin
Pretty sure it was worth a GCD during wrath on single targets.
But I get what you mean.
dusky mica
Can't remember back to LK damage re: shockwave
I remember it was not really worth using on bosses in MoP but it wasnt super terrible like now
Situationally you could switch to Stormbolt in MoP because it had that damage bonus to 'stun immune' mobs
I rarely bothered, don't like the weird ability lag from stormbolt that's always been there
Anyway, shockwave should absolutely do massive damage and be split between targets
You shouldn't be put into a situation where using cool spells on boss mobs is a bad idea.
daring marlin
I kinda miss the absurd damage of SB on bosses.
dusky mica
If you elect me for blizz class president. I'd also bring back charge stun.
daring marlin
DAMN BLIZZARD
just play classic and pray they didn’t slow you before your intercept
or they’ll just walk away before you reach them looool
dusky mica
Classic is wack on warrior.
daring marlin
Classic is just
dusky mica
Made a few warriors on these pirate servers. It's less fun than you remember.
daring marlin
World of Roguecraft
daring marlin
bc started it
dusky mica
Vanilla and TBC you were OK on hunter unless a rogue got the first hit
In Wotlk you could tank rogues on hunter due to massive dodge and resil
Warglaive Rogue in TBC was pretty sick
Stun Herald Warrior wasn't bad though
Or Sword spec + Windfury totem for BGs
dusky mica
yeah
I use to clam the alliance stables in AB with another warrior and a shaman
2x sword spec, both with bis gear
dusky mica
it was more fun for sure
Prot was a bit of a beast in Wotlk too
With block and armor pen gear
oblique garnet
Grievious didnt feel so bad with pala healer
daring marlin
Bad druid then imo
oblique garnet
At first i forgot it was also fortified so i went a bit too ham and it got a bit dicey
sick sentinel
grievous did not feel bad with a 365 druid healer
the only pack we actually had a problem was the pack before the totem boss in atal dazar (+10 btw)
heady citrus
it only felt bad on couple pulls... ie pull before 2nd boss in ataldazar on +10
with totem being ghun mob
midnight ferry
temple third boss and grevious 😆
feral light
Played freehold 8 today with a prot warri and a druid heal (my group for m+). Last week everything was fine. This week the tank died to trashmobs and told he used all his cds. Is this week such a struggle for prot warris? I'm just curios, because healer and tank doesnt know what went wrong?
oblique garnet
The tank did something wrong
I did freehold +11 like 10minutes ago and only died because we overpulled
sick sentinel
I am chainpulling in +8s dude
oblique garnet
Probably suboptimal traits not using SR or interrupting key abilites if he died
Or maybe just undergeared
feral light
he's 364 think that should be fine for this key. But thanks!
oblique garnet
Yeah 364 should be more than enough
dusky mica
Just opened my box of disappointment (EU)
dusky mica
nah probably not
candid cove
I mean if you're not pushing keys or mythic raiding why not?
dull pilot
i do alot of #+10 keys
dusky mica
You could do it anyway, but it's not going to boost your survival
dusky mica
Yeah, Ravager needed a 1000% damage boost even in Legion
(or get rid of it, it's shit)
daring marlin
for sure
dusky mica
It was shit when Nazgrim invented it!
All his fault
I got a shield from the box of dreams
The atal'dazar shield
daring marlin
same dude
dusky mica
Speechless. Got shit every week upto this point.
sharp sand
so how is prot warrior holding up in m+?
dusky mica
25 for me, been using a 355 since week 1 of M+
daring marlin
y i k e s
neon tangle
I wonder if ravaged would be worth taking if you had >65% avoidance?
daring marlin
why does bonestorm get to be a much better ravager?
fucking DKs
getting all the cool shit!
neon tangle
Would be another “avoid everything” CD on a 1min timer
sick sentinel
blockades+rezan
neon tangle
I ask this because I’m at about 65% avoidance in Uldir cause of all the crit
dusky mica
you have 62% parry?
neon tangle
Parry + dodge + block
dusky mica
it doesnt work like that anymore
daring marlin
having 30% crit with the vectis trinket is funny
neon tangle
Is it not one table any more?
dusky mica
nope
sick sentinel
a trinket with crit or something else procs
neon tangle
Oh that sucks
sick sentinel
and then you array switches
oblique garnet
48% haste in uldir feels good
neon tangle
Welcome to the club
daring marlin
yeh
dusky mica
crit is great for tclap dps
neon tangle
1200 crit for me
daring marlin
awhellyeah bruh
dusky mica
lol
neon tangle
It’s fun for m+
neon tangle
I also have the Vectis crit trinket
dusky mica
me too
dusky mica
it's a conspiracy
dusky mica
I only have about 10% crit
daring marlin
naw
dusky mica
if you can apply a spike, might as well use it but theres not much point
they should bring spikes back
and blessings for pally shields
would be cool
cloud wind
mnn they seem to be super overpriced, guess ill just stick to elemental force on my 1h
dusky mica
the plans for spikes are usually very old, hence the stupid prices on the AH
even though theyre mostly useless for modern wow
it's not worth enchanting anything while levelling tbh
daring marlin
some enchants are pretty OP at low level
they scale kinda goofy
but lose value around 60+
dusky mica
I usually enchant crusader because it's nostalgic for me when it procs
daring marlin
elemental force is nuts
cloud wind
^
i put incendiary ammo on my hunters bow
it doesnt proc often but it does insain dmg for its lvl
like can take 70% of someone hp in pvp when it procs
dusky mica
thats wod only isnt it?
cloud wind
hehe
dusky mica
power torrent was quite a flashy enchant in the old days
lots of bank alts used that
I still prefer mongoose and executioner
cloud wind
just tested, incendiary ammo hits for 500 dmg and i have 1800 in full heirlooms
dusky mica
nasty
dusky mica
do what you feel like
wind wedge
Ahh my eyes
stone crag
gorgeous
cloud wind
tis a shame that heritage races dont get to level with their armour
cloud wind
https://gyazo.com/22cf70cac363d7c28bdeb07ff10cad7e we can go even further beyond!
daring marlin
grats, buddy
mighty gulch
ilvl 270 shield-> 345
after a week of farming every bit of content that gives a shield
2 weeks*
cloud wind
now to get a 370/385
ember crest
praying for a miracle 370+ DC azerite from the emissary today, wish me luck prot family
soft lotus
okay, I thought that was a bit odd :P Like all dps/tank specs... except one
daring marlin
Yeah. Been like that all expac.
sweet kettle
blood rite or bloodsport for m+?
dark junco
And almost all legion
@ember crest GL, got mine from the Stormsong: 370 DC chest. Goes perfectly with BFI +AV Helm and shoulders.
ember crest
gz my dude
385 stuff in bags i cant use because of the 340 DC gimp
@dark junco curious, were you in prot loot spec?
brace for impact helm, feelsbad
frigid blaze
Anyone have a good weakaura that shows Mother's room percentages? There's a great one on wagio but I can't get it to load.
ember crest
you can use the 3 min CDs of g1 crossing barrier to time you transition to r3
cinder nova
☝
zinc mauve
tfw 8.1 raid preview starting and prot warrior buffs nowhere to be seen
cinder nova
tfw 8.1 raid testing announced and prot warrior buffs nowhere to be seen
singular yike
ember crest
thought they were just gonna go the route of nerfing everyone else
daring marlin
tfw 8.1 raid testing announced and prot warrior buffs nowhere to be seen
frigid blaze
At what point are you guys moving on mythic mother? First flames?
cinder nova
Nope.
Like 20s into the fight.
You move everyone except a few dps and some healers and the tank with mum
ember crest
you start g1-3 transition on first flames
cinder nova
Then they come over in batches
ember crest
mother is later
primal crypt
The emissary today put me in a good spot
ember crest
nice, gz
ember crest
pass me your luck token pls
primal crypt
bingo bango...now you have my lucko
ember crest
perfect lol
snow hinge
gonna be tanking my first raid tonight. Only normal uldir tho
I got a 370 dc trait the other day so I’m pretty happy about that
strong hill
Worth dropping a brace for impact trait for archive of the titans ?
cinder nova
Yes.
strong hill
nah, had the choice or archive and brace , took brace for impact, got a chest upgrade and took brace on that ( only really good trait to pick from)
cinder nova
You need at least 1 uldir trait
the haste is 2gud2pass
Drop one of the braces for an impact
strong hill
cool thanks
cinder nova
archive*
thick bear
Vanquished Tendril of G'hun or Darkmoon deck blockades?
fair root
what ilevels?
thick bear
both 355
strong hill
blockades i would say if both 355
fair root
^
daring marlin
I'd probably still say blockades even if the tendril is 370
daring marlin
Seems that way.
thick bear
good to know
amber siren
If you're concerned about dying sure
cinder nova
It ain't gonna save you from greivous.
cinder nova
The trinket from KR would do you better
primal crypt
Just saying this week I'm concerned about dying XD
ember crest
momma always said, a strong a thunderclap is the best defense
primal crypt
yeah, mchimba
candid cove
If you die with sb up its the healers fault. #truth
cinder nova
What if you didn't use LS
or Wall
or lock stone
If you die with CDs up it's your fault.
Even if you have to dump kit
sick sentinel
I used like 7 healing potions in 1 run today :/
ember crest
thats kind of debatable, especially if you have to conserve CDs to get through the rest of the fight
ember crest
if you had something up that wouldnt compromise the rest of the fight, and you didnt use it ya, but if its gonna cause you to die on a high movement big damage portion of fight like a shatter on zek or a thrash, eeehhh
ember crest
you dont save CDs for shatter on mythic zek?
i usually layer demo+SB, and CD on emergency, but still i use them fairly regularly
primal crypt
best feeling
limber wigeon
you should have LS for every combo
cinder nova
I usually just LS on CD after the first combo and it lines up itself.
But I definitely don't need it to live
You can throw up block right before void lash and it'll last until shatter
ember crest
i try to save LS for the add phase when i take void lash and boss, so i can time out demo with adds for maximum damage
cinder nova
Just wall
You're not gonna use wall anywhere else in the fight and reactionary walling probably means you're low HP anyway
ember crest
yea i save wall for oh shit
ember crest
example?
cinder nova
I wall during adds and just roll block
ember crest
i mean yea ill use LS/SW if im tanking extended on anything to allow for SB to charge back up,
cinder nova
No, I mean
sick sentinel
I use SW for big bleeds
cinder nova
You should be using it to smooth damage
ember crest
our adds usually die in the two DH stuns on zek before any damage really comes out, unless you mean something else?
ember crest
ah well, thats what i meant by oh shit, yea i try to smooth everything so i always have something up
usually demo and SB can get me through most fights, have yet to do mythic fetid, curious to see how that goes
last time i looked only like 10 prot warriors cleared mythic fetid
deft rose
How much haste am i looking for im at 29%
cinder nova
Doesn't matter
sick sentinel
all the haste you can get while not losing ilvls
deft rose
kk
finite gull
Just glanced over the tank icy veins guide. I have a Iron Fortress - Azerite veins - Vamp Speed helmet (360). Got a Brace for Impact helmet but it doesnt have veins or vamp. (370). Would the 360 be better?
finite gull
Blood Siphon/Heed My Call/Winds of war
sudden tapir
That feeling when vector deflector drops and it’s 25ilvl upgrade over your previous shield. jumps out of chair in tears of joy
sick sentinel
@finite gull use the 370 with either winds of war or blood siphon, whatever you prefer of the 2
finite gull
I mostly use prot for dungeons aswell. Third row is Impassive Visage or Moment of Glory so not sure what one id want
sick sentinel
visage is really, really good
finite gull
Oh yeah just saw that. Awesome 😄
sick sentinel
that's the healing from 1 trait of visage on 2chest +8 manor @finite gull
it's big
finite gull
Oh thats nice. Finally got 370 for all the prot peices. Brace for Impact/Deafening/Iron Fortress
sick sentinel
perfect
finite gull
I tend to get thrown into keys as tank despite being a DPS main cuz im usually always around for my guild. Been trying to maximize my gear as much as i can
crystal night
blockades, 370 rezans, 375 Xalzaix's Vieled Eye which 2 of those 3 trinkets should i rock for most defense?
sick sentinel
pure defence blockades and eye
what I would personally run is blockades and rezans
sick sentinel
grievous also procced it I feel
crystal night
I can't beleive blockades outvalue's the 375 trinket from Mythrax
for defensive perspective
steel mauve
the absorb is really low, and the proc is low hp, with a long cd
where as blockades is up 100% of the time
crystal night
I was under the impression the trinket was OP saw everyone using it in a recent arena tournament
everyone and their mother had it on
i understand pvp and pve are different
but damn
steel mauve
nah the trinket isnt good, it only gets decent at like really high ilvl
and then things like a high rezans or howler i would probably use over it
crystal night
i got 375
steel mauve
i dont think eye is usable for pve until like 380+
i wouldnt say golden, the haste buff for it was very slight, and its more so its less shit than othetrinkets than it being amazing
the blockades that is ^
static lance
between blockades, a 340 howler and a 360 eye of rezan, which should I use? I'm leaning towards blockades and eye, because I prefer passive trinkets and I already have enough buttons to press 😛
steel mauve
blockades and howler imo
sick sentinel
blockades and eye I would say
frigid blaze
How are you guys doing vectis? Super TLDR.
We've got 4 markers down. Do we need to come up with a list of who is stepping out with the gestate?
Mythic.
cinder nova
@frigid blaze No, but if your raid group are as self-aware as a wooden post you might have to.
We had the same issue before the raid leader cracked the whip
frigid blaze
About to make our first pull, so we'll see how it goes.
tropic star
revans 365, syringe 370socket
broken roost
Do we know yet how the 355 v 370 azerite piece from emissary works? Is it pure ilvl?
inland maple
I just had 363 and the emissary was 355 got an upgrade piece - 355 to 375 and it boosted me to 364. The emissary changed to 370 for me
broken roost
Hmm okayu
ember crest
finally downed mythic zek, weee
junior ivy
grats
sick sentinel
Found the raid trinket that the qna was saying was trash lol
ember crest
wonder if i should use that over my 370 lions heart with a socket
other is a 365 rezans def not replacing
primal crypt
ehhhhhhh
noble sierra
@lofty island