protection

[ivory barn]

in combat

and when you got past about 540 you never died

[soft kindle]

540

yikes

[ivory barn]

^ thats MoP ilvl

[tiny sphinx]

you want mop tanking back for that shit? and not vengeance?

[ivory barn]

Veneance was kick ass as well

[soft kindle]

was saying 540 was p low 😛

[ivory barn]

i got to 542 in MoP

[tiny sphinx]

vengeance was the single most amazing thing about that expansion

[ivory barn]

we could never down Garrosh on heroic but we got him on normal

[soft kindle]

I liked the trinkets/Cloaks

SW was 3% hp per second when below 35%

[ivory barn]

yeah i got close.

couldnt remember the amount of seconds it healed

[sick sentinel]

however warforge/titanforge has not been since vanilla

[oblique garnet]

That is something i could live without

[mortal idol]

Does anyone know a good strat for Shadow of Zul in King's rest?

[amber siren]

chain cool downs, blust if you have to

[mortal idol]

also fortified

ughhh

[sick sentinel]

chain CDs, get DPS that don't suck.

be smart with your rage gain for continuous IPs.

[oblique garnet]

Dont die

[sick sentinel]

consider mastery stacking + bloodsport x2 + x1 DC for mythic+ this week.

[soft kindle]

sac the tank

😛

[junior ivy]

sanguine and fortified in shrine 11 suck

[oblique garnet]

Aight time to pray to the gods for the 385 shoulders

[digital arrow]

🙏

[oblique garnet]

Aight so from weekly chest basically 1 monelite ore : 9

Very nice

annd another slap in the face from nazmir emissary :))

[manic perch]

how bad is Reinforced plating? i have piece with it on and itsd 370, but i have 355 IF piece also, is the IF still better?

[fickle kiln]

Id take the 370

[stone crag]

ilevel is the key to that

IF isn't worth dropping ilevel for

[fickle kiln]

If its higher ilvl and its not dc, equip it

[manic perch]

ok cool thanks for feedback, then 1` more question if you please 😃

archive or BFI ?

[fickle kiln]

Id say archive when you do uldir for the 2nd stats boss.

Boost*

[sick sentinel]

so many options?

OP or winds?

gemhide or impassive?

both are good

[dull pilot]

did a +11 last week got a 9 key am i missing something ?

[sick sentinel]

@dull pilot seems weird

[dull pilot]

few guild members have the same thing happen

[soft kindle]

p sure Gemhide Unyun

[dull pilot]

eu servers

[sick sentinel]

I did a +12 and I got a +11

[manic perch]

@sage holly iw ould go for OP for the haste

[zinc mauve]

@dull pilot a friend did a +13, got a +9 key

pretty sure its some bug

[manic perch]

maybe relog?

[stone crag]

OP then gemhind

ez

[dull pilot]

like 3 out of 30 ppl in my guild got this bug

made a tickit

i make sure i do 11s every week for a 10 key in case i dont have time to boost it

not a big deal i can lvl it but its more time

[ember arrow]

@sick sentinel OP and visage

[soft kindle]

#promotion

[ember arrow]

#promotion

[soft kindle]

would be a good start

[weary nacelle]

Levko, i guess it looks that way. I'm super new at streaming, so it's really not about that. Its a good benefit for me, but I've seen many people here discussing HC bosses and the difficulties they have there. I guess I can help with that.

[ember arrow]

how is saying youre gonna stram at x date at x oclock not promotion?

but im no mod, so i dont really care, just pointing it out

[amber siren]

And I mean, there's no real way nice to put this but no one knows you or your channel and there's no guarantee you're even a good source of information on the class

2/8M isn't an impressive resume

[weary nacelle]

I'm not saying im a pro, never did. I just stated the progress I have. It will be low for some, but good for others.

[ember arrow]

if people want to watch prot warr, they got marok and sense, who is 8/8. if youre new to streaming, gotta start from the bottom

[weary nacelle]

No argues about that.

As far as the x date and x time , I shared the details to make people aware what to expect. But if its promoting, post deleted. Won't type it again.

[feral frost]

Quick gear question for weapons, is 5ilvl (370-->375) worth a socket? I heard weapon damage (i.e. DPS) still matters but unclear by how much? Since 40 haste is >> strength/stam unless the weapon damage boost is substantial i'm better with the 370 socketed?

[amber siren]

I mean you wrote that you considered it to be a resource for people who have questions i.e. educational

[weary nacelle]

Levko, I don't agree with your statement. Why would people restrict themselves to one or two streamers. Also, trust me, I've started from the bottom.
Anyway, topic over. Thanks for your feedback. It's noted.

[amber siren]

So 🤷

[sick sentinel]

2 guys saying gemhide and levko saying visage... but levko is a dk and not a prot warrior 🤔

So I will go with gemhide

[oblique garnet]

Gemhide is better

[ember arrow]

right

look at details

look how much visage heals you

then reconsider

gemhide is overrated. it is avoidance, which is useless in m+, and also in raids, since 90% of aoe dmg isnt relevant to tanks

and then u have the armor part which is small. While visage procs on cd, since you get hit every 6 sec, adding up to a significant amount of healing

[soft kindle]

avoidance useless in m+

[ember arrow]

yes

are you threatened as a tank by aoe?

[soft kindle]

useless =/= less important

DR is a DR

[ember arrow]

<1%

[hot locust]

avoidance effects things like essence shear and other busters from bosses like Mythrax.

So that's not entirely true.

[ember arrow]

just saying

9.2% passive healing

[hot locust]

To be fair

I'm not trying to argue for gemhide

[sick sentinel]

1 stack?

[ember arrow]

1 stack

[hot locust]

just the "avoidance is useless" statement

[sick sentinel]

Yo that's a lot

[ember arrow]

i understand what you say lala, but i dont feel like tanks really get threatened by it

in raids, you plan cds any way

[hot locust]

I mean

people ran avoidance sets for Argus

[ember arrow]

its not like the avoidance gonna make the healer think "i must heal him way less now"

[hot locust]

it's happened before

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember arrow]

argus got oneshot

ability

mythrax doesnt

it doesnt increase in dmg right?

[amber siren]

lala's point is that it isn't useless, it just isn't relevant rn

[ember arrow]

ok, i worded it poorly maybe, but still, using a defensive trait must make it hugely beneficial

i feel like visage adds more, and makes you need less healing over the course of a fight

[hot locust]

I agree with that

[oblique garnet]

Does visages healing stack?

[ember arrow]

yes

monk with 3 visages

and 2 azerite

15k hps

azerite veins

[oblique garnet]

lul

[ember arrow]

veins procs of of stagger

can crit

and can double crit with their celestial fortune

[oblique garnet]

Shame that i havent got any visage/veins gears yet on my monk

[ember arrow]

the difference will be night and day

[oblique garnet]

probably

I got it to 120 the other day and didnt get that lucky in mythic dungeons but maybe this week will be different

[ember arrow]

i dont play monk, but i did confirm that veins proc off stagger

and since youre never 100% on monk

u get maximum benefit

[outer dew]

Visage is great if you chain pull

[next goblet]

fuck monks, all about prot

[sick sentinel]

Thing is, I chainpull as much as I can

[topaz badger]

Up to how much haste do we stack?

[soft kindle]

More

[mellow bridge]

No cap

[tranquil pagoda]

hi, i'm new and i want to talk with you about a thing: trinket.
Could you explain me why we need to take trinkets which gives strength whereas our stats priority is:
Haste / Armor / Versatility / Mastery / Critical Strike / Strength (icy veins quote)
i can understand for "Jes' Howler" and his versatility use.
My question is : is it because strength give armor ? (obviously?)
I have currently a mastery trinket and a versatility trinket with a strenght proc/use and i thinked this was a good choice but now i'm not sure
thanks for yours answers and sorry for my bad english (french)

[sick sentinel]

@tranquil pagoda The priority is ilvl>haste>the rest in no particular order.
Str does not only give armor, but also crit and bigger ignore pains.
Trinkets are mostly valued by their effect and not the main/secondary stat

[gray wolf]

when did ilvl>haste happen?

[mellow bridge]

Was always like that

for non trinkets

[gray wolf]

arh trinkets

sorry missed the first part of the question

[mellow bridge]

But yeah, trinkets are usually chosen by their effect and less by their stat on it

[gray wolf]

so never surrender, would i happen to have some play this week maybe?

since last stand kinda gimps one with the % damage taken from grevious

[amber siren]

no

[gray wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[amber siren]

bolster SB uptime is still too good

[gray wolf]

just a thought

[uncut juniper]

Weeks now since the day they said prot changes are coming in the "near future" but yet theres still nothing announced or visible on the PTR. Whats going on :o

[round vortex]

We are fixed bro we got 5% more base armour and stam. Totally fixed us

[gray wolf]

someones missed the big announcement

[sick sentinel]

You never take off bolster

Makes the spec work

[uncut juniper]

yea sorry baratus i totally forgott about that. 🌚

[fair crystal]

is there a way to see how much I Crit Blocked on Logs ?

[pallid axle]

me yesterday : fuck i just did and 8 key this week wth. Me today 370 DC Shoulders

[oblique garnet]

Please leave

[sick sentinel]

Last week was farm week

[oblique garnet]

this weeks m+ chest rewarded me with 1 monelite ore : )

[sick sentinel]

One of the few weeks you could chainpull

I called it, "skystep potion week

[lilac hawk]

Im 373ilvl with decent stats and DC. Some whiney healers refuse to run higher then +5 same with hc uldir with me since they claim that i taket way way more damage then other tanks. Only real problem i can see is that incoming non physical damage hurts like a truck If not dispelled. Are we still this bad in the eyes of other people or should i just find meself other healers? 😀

[oblique garnet]

Find other healers

[sick sentinel]

CC infested and pull EVERYTHING

Find other healers

[mellow bridge]

Well either your healers are stupid or you're playing badly which causes you to take more dmg than others

Which one is correct, only you can tell

🤷

[lilac hawk]

Hehe, pure physical its nog biggie att all. I haven issues when i get stacks of dots that hurts like a truck and it aint getting dispelled

[mellow bridge]

You could try posting some logs

[sick sentinel]

The pull before the pristess in atal, even in teeming is amazing

No cc, just avatar and go nuts

[mellow bridge]

Hell yeah

That was such a nice pull last week

Teeming but no fortified

[sick sentinel]

Even with fortified, no fucks given

+12 parry everything, interrupt fiery enchant and you're fine

Block everything as well

[oblique garnet]

Fortified + Teeming the pack before volkaal was annoying

[sick sentinel]

True

That pack broke my +12 time

12 deaths, the 10 were there

Last 2 on last boss but we had CRs

I would rather deathskip that shit

[unkempt fox]

u can skip that with warlock gates

[sick sentinel]

Our warlock didn't know how

[pallid axle]

yeah i only played 2 hours wow the whole week 😄 so im happy it turned out that way XD

[inner trail]

did you guys notice it feels smoother to run with a mistweaver healer for some reason?

[sick sentinel]

MWs pair up great with us

^

Even through I run with dps without CR most of the time so I take druids

+5% more physical damage too

But if I bave CR in my dps I try to take MWs

Druids work good too and vast utility for mythic+

Feral affinity speced, they just HoT me up and go cat form

[mellow bridge]

Maybe I've had bad luck with random druids but in my experience I'd rather have a diff healer

[primal crypt]

just don't get a disc priest this week

[sick sentinel]

I have reached the point where I had added enough healers on battle tag that I do not have to pug them anymore

[primal crypt]

They struggle

[sick sentinel]

I think grievous got nerfed since legion

[oblique wolf]

fun fact, stone form can reset your stacks

[sick sentinel]

Dark iron are broken man...

[inner trail]

is holy paladin best healer for grievous?

[sick sentinel]

Afaik yeah

[sick sentinel]

The holy paladin I knew run really high keys in legion said that grievous was a non-affix

[regal yacht]

Any recommendations on killin Zul. Phase 2 I cannot survive 3 stacks of the dot more than once. Ideas we have tried that work but looking for more advice are. Pally bubble or if I blow SW, SR, and DS. Either way I can on live though one blowing those cds

[final mist]

It's a lot of damage. Either you blow personals / externals, or your healers hard focus you for if.

Personally for Mythic, I take 4 stacks and DS the first, then 3 thereafter, my cotank takes two stacks on his turns and bubbles them

And I have to roll personals and externals while tanking in the boss.

Even in heroic, the DoT hits like a truck, so there's no much else you can do except call for externals when your personals are down and spam IP as much as you can.

[regal yacht]

Thanks that is what I am doing. Just feel like I was missing something. I am over geared for heroic and still it just wrecks me. How many turns do you get with the buff normally?

[final mist]

1-2 in heroic, 3-4 in mythic.

It's hurts me still even on heroic.

[sick sentinel]

MT gets it twice and OT gets it once

you can stay on Zul and spam the shit out of IP

and then leap out, drop the pool and then charge in

[winged sage]

Damn, I'm getting nervous now, i'm gonna tank zul on hc tonight

[sick sentinel]

other options is to tell your healers "let me die" and get CRed\

[final mist]

It's not that bad if you play well, unless your healers hate you.

[regal yacht]

I get CRed once a fight usually doing from these dots

[winged sage]

Fair enough 😄

[final mist]

That usually means something is going wrong Ripkinn.

Do you have logs?

[sick sentinel]

if you specifically tell them "let me die" that saves them a lot of mana as well

but BoP is amazing, and IP is also amazing

[ionic swallow]

If you have holy paladin in raid group, than he can drop this stacks from you with BoP....after when you leap on side 😄 of course you must always use your def CD

[winged sage]

Are there any nice places I can use Stoneform(Dark iron version) in Uldir, tried to look at the spells/dots and such that could work, not getting any usefull information from it though 😃

[sick sentinel]

can stoneform drop zul bleed?

[crisp stone]

No

[signal plover]

There's a few trash dots it works on(and thus translates to huge aoe dps), but AFAIK it doesn't clear any boss abilities/debuffs @winged sage

[mental scarab]

Dark Iron for m+ 🤔?

[grand burrow]

So, got a 340 azerite with deafening crash, but have a 370 replaceble piece without that trait. aint worth changing right?

Also, have 370 Uldir head with the raid trait. and got 2x 385 pieces from weekly chest, with crap traits, aint changing that sigh!

[mellow bridge]

If it's your only DC piece, you keep it

[grand burrow]

yeah though that

[sick sentinel]

LM for uldir and Brace for everything else?

( I got an upgrade for my 355 Archive into a 385 bloodsport so I am losing Reorigination array)

[primal crypt]

What are the chances

That it is overtuned...

Just finished off an 11 siege

Man our healer was strugglinggggg

[sick sentinel]

class?

[primal crypt]

"Prot warriors get shredded by grievous"

Sham

I thought we were good...

I mean i ate in between pulls for him

Mana buns and stuff

[oblique garnet]

I watched jdotb trying to do M+ earlier

[inner trail]

well tanks that can heal themselves are going to have an easier time on it

[oblique garnet]

He had dh

[winged sage]

as long as the tank has something to hit

[oblique garnet]

It wasnt the issue that tanks that can heal themselves

Its the aoe damage that comes to whole party

[chilly brook]

Yea the party damage is stupid

Then again, I’m also ok with having hard affixes

[inner trail]

sorry I was meant to respond to the "Prot warriors get shredded by grievous" comment

[winged sage]

So sad that my two favorite tanks, prot warr and druid is hated by the general community 😢

[grim prism]

Maybe it's you

😬

/memes

[lusty grotto]

lol

[chilly brook]

Just prove the general community wrong

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged sage]

@grim prism Low blow 😄

Doing it Griff 😄

[grim prism]

Gotta sblock those low blows ;)

[lusty grotto]

DAE stigma?!

le reddit

we need a stigma emoji

[shut summit]

[grim prism]

:thyme:

Oh wait, I have an actual stigma emoji

[ionic ridge]

Get that ravager back in the trash bin, where it belongs

[ember arrow]

Or

Make it good

But its blizzard

[graceful mason]

Ravager is pretty decent.. it's just no AM

[ember arrow]

🤔

Its not decent at all

It does dame dmg as one revenge over 5 seconds

Its parry is rng based

And for 50 seconds u basically have no talent

[mellow bridge]

"It does dame dmg as one revenge over 5 seconds"
wut

i agree ravager is shit

but that aint right

[daring marlin]

?

[ember arrow]

Uhhh

[daring marlin]

It does though

[ember arrow]

Look the number

[daring marlin]

It’s literally 4k damage over 5 seconds

[ember arrow]

Unless it got 500% buff yesterday

[daring marlin]

which is LAUGHABLE

[ember arrow]

I know that much about prot

Ravager=revenge dmg

They couldve made ravager do dmg and a aoe cd

[daring marlin]

If only

[ember arrow]

Remove parry who cares. Why do u parry attacks better after u throw ur weapon away

DRW from bdk also increases parry. It is baseline and boists resource gen

Thats worth pressing

And the weapin u summon is 30% of ur dmg for 8 seconds

[radiant leaf]

[daring marlin]

yo levko

I think revenge actually does slightly more damage than ravager

omegalul

[ember arrow]

Oof

But ravager is free

#worth

[daring marlin]

bwahahaha

[ember arrow]

So can revenge be

Hmm

[tall wadi]

sometimes, revenge costs rage 🤔

[astral crystal]

[sick sentinel]

well going from 20% parry to 50% parry is great for parrying off necrotic

[oblique wolf]

I wish free revenges counted for am

[sick sentinel]

but AM is just so good

[strong forum]

[astral crystal]

you could just

you know

move away

🤔

[oblique wolf]

shockwave, fear, LEEEEEAP

[astral crystal]

yeah the duration is short enough now that you should be able to drop it reliably

[oblique wolf]

then again I typically play with a frost mage so its pretty irrelevant

[astral crystal]

yeah also that

[tall wadi]

you dont need a frostmage

[oblique wolf]

I agree, you do not need a frost mage

[tall wadi]

ass rogues or fury also reliably slow everything for 50%

[oblique wolf]

but it makes it trivial

[lavish oracle]

Is this any good?

[tall wadi]

no

[lavish oracle]

Low PPM?

[fierce juniper]

It's not bad, you'd never take it over a spec specific trait though.

[lavish oracle]

Good to know

[primal crypt]

GENTLEMEN

[old zephyr]

Monks are best to drop necro stacks 😃

having a Monk in your group I mean

Ring of Peage = GG

[lavish oracle]

Frost mages are pretty good at it too

[brazen sequoia]

welp, fortified is nasty

[oblique wolf]

had a rough time in motherlode 11 yesterday with a shammy healer

[astral hare]

What do you guys think, should I pick Archive of Titans over Iron Fortress trait?

[oblique wolf]

did it in time but I was scared for my life constantly

[astral hare]

I can only see the dps increases in sim world but defensively i'm not sure which to pick

[mellow bridge]

isnt Shammy like our worst healer

[oblique wolf]

take what I can get 😦

[solid mist]

what if everytime we parried it shot out a mini

[chilly brook]

@astral hare archive in Uldir, IF outside

[astral crystal]

im lazy so i just have uldir on all the time

[primal crypt]

Blood siphon or winds of war

Is the dodge good with one trait?

Or does it need to be stacked

[chilly brook]

Decent enough iirc

But technically blood siphon is better

[primal crypt]

I was thinking as much since mastery isnt bad

And leech is always nice

[chilly brook]

They’re both bottom of the second best tier for that row

So either is a decent enough option

But blood siphon is supposed to be better

[sick sentinel]

blood siphon is supposed to be better but I like winds of war a lot

personally

[oblique garnet]

oh damn our guild died when we got curve

6 people online when we are supposed to raid

FeelsBadMan

[sand egret]

not super prot related but polygon put out a really good article on red dead that does have a lot of ties into the current sentiment to BfA

I'd recommend it for anyone wanting to get a bit more insight into the industry

[thorn yarrow]

O look another 370 chance with shoalbreach helmet QQ

[karmic void]

best advice on handling this pull?

this week on a +10

[dusk locust]

either cc the berserker, or what i do w/ berserkers is stun them when the dot is at about 2 secs left (they re-apply it at like 1 sec left)

and if there's a pet in the party you can leap away at 3 secs left and let the pet get the dot

[karmic void]

ok, nice.

stunning them at 2 seconds left will prevent you from getting 2 stacks i am assuming?

[dusk locust]

yeah that's been working well for me

and i don't risk it landing on another dps

i talent into storm bolt and have both shockwave and stormbolt then

[karmic void]

ok

standard mitigation work? or you usually pop a CD?

[delicate prism]

standard mitigation for warriors includes popping cooldowns.

[dusk locust]

that's true, though it being a bleed shield block and last stand aren't gonna help much

if anything last stand frees up rage for ignore pain

a pack like that i'm definitely looking to avatar to keep demo shout rolling

[astral crystal]

where the PTR patch at blizzord

inquiring prot minds want to know

[shut summit]

🤔

🌐 🆒 ⬇

[astral crystal]

👀

[hot stag]

thumbs up if you miss this spec being fun

[chilly brook]

Wow

I can’t even

[karmic void]

I...i enjoy playing prot

[chilly brook]

I enjoy playing Prot as well

[willow sonnet]

I genuinely love how, admitting you like playing prot at the moment is like standing up at an AA meeting

[karmic void]

I didnt played it since this expansion

Maybe that has an effect. No idea how it played then vs now helps i think

[willow sonnet]

I've played it every expansion I've been subbed. I shall continue to play it unless they utterly break it and make it truly unplayable

[thorn yarrow]

Kinda feel like I'm gona be on repeat but unless you are unable to complete a 10 keystone each week or unable to tank Heroic/Mythic Uldir you arent broken. We have given so much advice here to out tank the worst of it an survive an its being done soooo whats the problem

[chilly brook]

I mean I feel like there was a barrier to enjoying it that was the gcd changes

But if you can adjust you can still enjoy the class

[sick sentinel]

I also enjoy prot atm

[stone crag]

unpopular opinion

[chilly brook]

TBF I don’t mind IP on gcd but I’d actually really want them to buff it’s volume over taking it off the gcd

@stone crag this whole discord channel is full of unpopular opinions in that we play prot warrior

If we went with the popular opinion we’d be playing brewmaster

[sick sentinel]

true

[grim prism]

The unpopular part is all the pants-on-head retarded ideas for "some simple changes that would make prot viable again"

[karmic void]

Brew, DK or DH

[grim prism]

From people who struggle in +4s

[willow sonnet]

It's a nice feeling play prot currently as well to be able to change people's perception of the spec

[karmic void]

I was referring to the comment about "thumbs up if you miss this spec being fun"

Provoked my original comment about enjoying prot warrior

I enjoy how it feels...more skillful?

Skill ceiling feels higher with prot warrior as you have to be on it more often than not

[blissful hazel]

any resources on Trinkets? i'm starting to tank after being Arms forever, and i'm trying to figure out which of my trinkets are viable

Icyveins is helpful but not super complete

[chilly brook]

Unpopular opinion #1 it wouldn’t take much to “fix” prot

@blissful hazel you’ve got this discord 😜

It’s very situational and hard to actually tell which trinkets are “best”

[inner trail]

yeah like buff IP by 300%, fixed 🤔

[chilly brook]

Not by 300% lol

[sick sentinel]

@blissful hazel Blockades until you get a 375 trinket or some shit and rezan's/jes howler

[inner trail]

or some other amount

[stone crag]

300% of 0 is still 0 Kappa

[chilly brook]

TBH I don’t think it’d need more than a 50% buff to volume and ideally they add our t21 4 set as our mastery

[rotund heart]

Speaking of Rezan's. Does a 350 Rezan outperform a 355 Blockades? I would guess no.

[sand egret]

why not both? 😃

[vagrant cape]

because the other trinket is a 395 socketed jes howler

probly

[sand egret]

but yeah, also will chime in the "don't mind IP on the gcd" camp. Would be nice if the button felt a bit more substantial for its press.

oh

in that case

hisss

[vagrant cape]

the button feels pretty substantial in caster-only pulls

[inner trail]

well if it absorbed 100 k damage I would be fine with wasting a gcd on it

[vagrant cape]

that's bonkers

[chilly brook]

I felt like our t21 4 set made us really powerful tanks it felt bad to lose that

[stark sage]

if you buff the absorb shield, all that does is reduce the frequency of casting it, which can create rage dumping problems

[vagrant cape]

the way it feels now makes it great for rage dumping and also feels good to press against casters

[stark sage]

if you want to increase the freqency of casting it, increase the % absorbed

[sick sentinel]

I would prefer increasing the cap

[chilly brook]

Not if we take off the CD for Revenge @stark sage 😜

[sand egret]

well our rage issues are independent in my eyes, but one fix does require the other

[sick sentinel]

so I can press it more

[stark sage]

@chilly brook 👍

[inner trail]

and make it take 90% of damange instead of 50% 👍

[vagrant cape]

@stark sage what?!? how would increasing the % absorbed increase the frequency?

[sick sentinel]

I am capped on IP and in rage sometimes while having a reverne proc

[vagrant cape]

that would reduce the number of casts

[stark sage]

@vagrant cape it would deplete faster, so you would have to cast it more

[chilly brook]

TBH tho I really think t21 4-set would be an amazing mastery to have

It interacted with the spec really well and helped cover periods where there wasn’t SB

[vagrant cape]

how would increasing the absorb make it deplete fa- oh, you mean raise it from 50%

I get it now

[stark sage]

yes

[vagrant cape]

that was confusing wording

[stark sage]

sorry i thought increasing the % absorb was clear enough

[young harbor]

i would kill for a passive ability similar to how the bracers worked in legion, even if it was less strong

[sand egret]

yeah the mitigation not the capacity haha

[vagrant cape]

it should have been, but my brain was fixated

[sick sentinel]

revenge heals you for 0,5% of maximum health for every enemy hit

too strong?

[vagrant cape]

yes

[sand egret]

uh

you just want bonestorm now..\

O_O

[inner trail]

eh doesnt improve raid tanking much

[sick sentinel]

true :/

Raid tanking we are fine on most bosses

[sand egret]

plus, tanking a lot of little mobs is kinda our forte, no?

[sick sentinel]

our external healing required is on par with other tanks afaik

[vagrant cape]

so let's say you have 200k hp. every mob hit would heal you for 1k HP. IP currently shield for about 25k at that area (roughly)

[sick sentinel]

or raids, that is

[vagrant cape]

so if you hit 25 mobs you get a free IP with your revenge

[sick sentinel]

well 25 mobs is a lot of mobs

[vagrant cape]

hmmm, that's not as outrageous as I first thought

[inner trail]

but if 25 mobs hit you you die

[young harbor]

i think its a great idea

i mean, not sure if its viable

but.. dare to dream right

[sand egret]

it's interesting, ill give it that

but i'm also in the camp where I don't really want to give all tanks some sort of self-healing

so fundamentally i'm not super into that

[chilly brook]

I mean lemme put it into perspective @sick sentinel top blood DK in self healing does 28k hps on fetid while still requiring like 9k ehrps, Atticus doing the same job on fetid requires ~1.5k ehrps more

[vagrant cape]

but on pulls with lots of little things we already do really well, so it wouldn't be that useful when we get the most out of it

[chilly brook]

And keep in mind after the top 10 blood dk’s that gap between self healing and healing required widens

[sand egret]

i'd rather see us shore up our shortcomings on stuff we suck at, aka the unblockables

[vagrant cape]

that's literally my only gripe. unblockable physical damage

[inner trail]

yeah IP buff would be welcome there

[sand egret]

give me rock/wrench blocking

and have IP favor magic mitigation over physical

[chilly brook]

Imo all physical attacks should be blockable

[sick sentinel]

throw rock

[digital arrow]

hate rocks

[sand egret]

prot channel dies

[vagrant cape]

rocks are not attacks. they are the smitings of angry deities.

[digital arrow]

warriors greatest weakness: thrown rocks

[sand egret]

Pop-Quiz: Who is the Prot Discord's least favorite celebrity?

The Rock

[vagrant cape]

Dwayne Johnson

[digital arrow]

lol

[chilly brook]

I thought I was the least favorite person here because I’m an ass

[vagrant cape]

You're welcome

[sand egret]

no you're a panda

[vagrant cape]

you are what you eat, @chilly brook but we can't blame you for that

[gritty vine]

Which azerite trait is better between Blood Rite and Brace for Impact?

[chilly brook]

Oof

Gotta get them groceries amirite

[sand egret]

explains why the panda's all have that pep in their step

[vagrant cape]

it's because they all came from neopets where things are fun

[sand egret]

BFI is dope, @gritty vine

[sick sentinel]

@gritty vine Brace for impact is our best trait once you have 1 Deafening Crash

[gritty vine]

Alright, thanks guys

[chilly brook]

“Yo Jaina get that phat ass over here”

[sand egret]

that block value is realllly nice

[sick sentinel]

also, all prot traits before general traits

[vagrant cape]

well, after archive/laser matrix if you're in uldir

[mellow bridge]

I wish we had a phat ass like Jaina on the horde site

smh

[chilly brook]

Bruh Garrona hello

[sand egret]

Alliance bias

[chilly brook]

And Sylvanas 🙃

[mellow bridge]

Garona ain't hot and Sylvanas is dead and cold

yikers

[sand egret]

well jaina ain't that much "warmer"

[chilly brook]

Garona might not be hot but she T H I C C

[sand egret]

WE GET IT BLIZZARD THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME CHARACTER

we talkin T H I C C and you DIDNT mention Moira?

woowwwww

[chilly brook]

Too short boi

[sand egret]

not for us spicey bois

[chilly brook]

By the way technically Sylvanas isn’t dead

She’s undead

[sand egret]

it's the DMV of the lifecycle

[chilly brook]

Lolol

[sand egret]

and you wonder why she decided to burn shit down? psh, I spent an hour there last weekend and I was gonna turn that shit into Teldrassil

[chilly brook]

Meh I don’t wonder why

[signal plover]

Jaina confirmed thiccest

[chilly brook]

It was a long time coming

And that tree needed to burn

[sand egret]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

nondead

[sand egret]

spent too many years starting at XxxXLEGOALAZXXxxXX doing flips around IF

that shit needed to burn

[chilly brook]

But

The undercity being ruined was going too far

[sick sentinel]

#off-topic btw

[chilly brook]

Although I can accept it because it was an intentional strategic move that basically won the battle

[sand egret]

naw we were fake defending it, but I can see how a Prot warrior like yourself would feel confliceted

[chilly brook]

And anything more I’ll gladly continue in off topic

[sand egret]

#backontopic

[sick sentinel]

lol

[signal plover]

We back on toe pics?

[sand egret]

wrong chanel

[chilly brook]

So real talk

That reminds me

We have a guild Snapchat and this dude last expansion was begging one of our girls for feet pics

[sick sentinel]

what the fuck

[sand egret]

wtb RL Shield Block

[signal plover]

Go on

[raven kernel]

^

[sand egret]

ok so can someone talk me out of this: I really want to drop the 5 ilvls to get the leech roll on the boots I got from my cache. Am I cray cray?

[sick sentinel]

yes

less that 1% leach is nothing

[sand egret]

its 1.5%

puts me to 3% total

[chilly brook]

Well like somehow we got on the topic of how people sit in their chairs

So she sent a pic because she sits on her feet and then somehow someone commented on how weird her feet were because she got some weird toes and so she sent a picture of her foot and the next day she told a few people about how this dude messaged her after all this begging for feet pics

Long story short he got memed on so much after that he quit

[sand egret]

and this is why I haven't had a guild in years.

[fast idol]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

guilds are fine, guild snapchat sounds stupid though

[chilly brook]

We all took turns posting pictures of ourselves with one of those stupid filters that girls use after one of them sent one yesterday

It’s amusing

[sick sentinel]

lol

[fast idol]

I bet it is 😆

[lusty grotto]

uhh lol

[chilly brook]

I’ll post mine just for transparencies sake

[fast idol]

Flawless...

Haha nice

[lusty grotto]

gorgeous

[sick sentinel]

F L A W L E S S

[carmine ibex]

How much better do you guys think brace for impact is over callous reprisal. If I swap which one of my 340 pieces I use for DC, I can have DC, BFI, Bloodsport instead of DC, CR, Bloodsport - at the cost of going from 368.75 to 367.50

mostly a net 20ilvl loss on shoulders

[chilly brook]

Prolly not worth

[sick sentinel]

have 1 DC and then go with ilvl

[lusty grotto]

don't hold ilvl for those 2

[chilly brook]

^

What they said

[sand egret]

yup, DC is really the exception

[chilly brook]

All the prot traits are good

DC just happens to be so good it’s required

[carmine ibex]

got it

so terrible, if I even had one 340 DC chestpiece i could get away with neutral item level and get better inner and outer traits

but I only have the helm and the c'thraxxi shoulders

[chilly brook]

Everything else is “this is slightly better than this which is slightly better than that”

I got lucky with voldunai and got 370 shoulders with dc

[sand egret]

damn

[chilly brook]

My other pieces are 385 from chest

[sand egret]

lucky ass pandas

[lusty grotto]

nice

[carmine ibex]

yeah I haven't had any luck whatsoever, every M+ chest and every emissary has been unusable trash

[lusty grotto]

pvp for those shoulders :p

[oblique garnet]

literally got 1 monelite ore in this weeks m+ chest

[carmine ibex]

370-380 in every slot except the 340 DC helm

yeah I'm grinding the pvp now

but I haven't done any at all until recently so I have 5 weeks of conq to grind

[sand egret]

(although I say that as I also got a 370 DC shoulder piece so I really can't say shit)

[sick sentinel]

I got 370 DC shoulders from PvP 😄

[lusty grotto]

btw rares in arathi drop 355 gear too. i got shoulders that way with DC

[carmine ibex]

yeah, I cleared them all ever since they were up

[lusty grotto]

cool

[carmine ibex]

actually I lied earlier about 370+ in every slot because also wtb shield

[sick sentinel]

are you spamming atal dazar?

😛

[carmine ibex]

I have a 355

[sick sentinel]

or motherlode even

[carmine ibex]

I spam keys all week

[lusty grotto]

i did 4 vectis this week

[carmine ibex]

motherlode, ad, td

[chilly brook]

I’d look at what I have on armory

[lusty grotto]

no shield, no syringe

[chilly brook]

But like

[carmine ibex]

blow all my bonus rolls on vectis as well

[chilly brook]

I logged out in fury because I was doing old raids

[oblique garnet]

12 sec recharge in SB on uldir feels good

[raven kernel]

hows grievous this week

[chilly brook]

Apparently aids

[sand egret]

no, confirmed aids

[oblique garnet]

its terrible

[carmine ibex]

I did one on my priest

it was god awful

[sand egret]

I did not have fun doing it

[carmine ibex]

it's overtuned as fuck

[oblique garnet]

Think of aids + cancer combined theres grievious

[sand egret]

i've never hit the mana buns so hard

[carmine ibex]

and BDK tanks are just going to be a necessity this week

[chilly brook]

Oddly enough grievous was aids after prepatch when we were in legion as well

[sand egret]

well it just doesn't play nice with Warrior in general

[chilly brook]

Guess they just never touched it

[sand egret]

but it's just exceptionally bad

[raven kernel]

how hard does it tick for

in a 10

[sand egret]

mostly because healers can't do what they could in Legion

[chilly brook]

OH BOI

[sand egret]

7% of max hp

at max stacks

[carmine ibex]

yeah it's bad enough as as warrior but it's overtuned right now

healers are relatively less powerful than in legion

[chilly brook]

R6S added ability toggle for Montaigne!!!!!

Yaaaaasssss

[carmine ibex]

it's just rediculously hard to keep everyone topped at 90

[sand egret]

honestly the issue is really a healer problem, as the damage profiles in certain instances make the affix insanely problematic

[raven kernel]

lulwut griff

[sick sentinel]

after every combat

[carmine ibex]

and there are so many aoe effects that reduce the entire party below 90

[lusty grotto]

siege

[raven kernel]

im a thatcher boi

[carmine ibex]

@sand egret yep

[lusty grotto]

do you guys even blackout yo

[carmine ibex]

like sisters in WM

[chilly brook]

Sorry I play R6 for my college

And I’m the designated shield main

[raven kernel]

ive been doing a little bo4

[sand egret]

I'm not stepping foot in WM this week

[raven kernel]

but not much time

[carmine ibex]

my chest key this week was a +10 WM

[sand egret]

delete that shit

get a new one haha

[carmine ibex]

yup

[raven kernel]

13 kings rest here monkaS

[carmine ibex]

normally I love WM, my normal healer and I have it down

[sand egret]

the hall before Raal is actually cancer

[chilly brook]

Apparently I can’t get away from shields no matter what game I play

[carmine ibex]

but fuck sanguine in hallways and grievous on sisters

[chilly brook]

I got a 9 Motherlode this week from my chest

🤢

[carmine ibex]

motherlode is ez

[lusty grotto]

i got 9 WM 😦

[raven kernel]

wonder how im gonna doe the zerkers in KR

[sick sentinel]

motherlode is ez man

[raven kernel]

with grievous

ROFL

[carmine ibex]

motherlode keys are my favourite

[chilly brook]

Motherlode is easily one of my least favorite dungeons

[carmine ibex]

free +2 half the time

[sick sentinel]

you get 100% from the pull before the 3rd boss

and then you deathskip to the last boss

ez timer

[quartz pond]

trying to figure out which is the best tier two trait here

https://gyazo.com/a5e2355d333832d8b1bb781091283e29

[raven kernel]

gridrunner

[sick sentinel]

veins I would say

[raven kernel]

veins is the winner

[chilly brook]

Yea don’t use gutripper

Use veins

And use impassive visage

Not the shield

[sick sentinel]

and visage

[quartz pond]

ok

[sick sentinel]

from my +8 manor run today

[chilly brook]

The absorb is ok from the shield but you get way more mileage from impassive

Absorb if you’re DPS. Impassive if you’re a tank

[sick sentinel]

the shield was great at absorbing a grievous hit so the healer could get me over 90%

but the visage was great during the run

I made HUGE pulls

[chilly brook]

YUUUUUGGGGGEEEE

Like my hands

:smugpepe

[carmine ibex]

tremendous pulls

[sick sentinel]

like, if I wanted to make bigger pulls I would have to use skysteps

[carmine ibex]

i've seen pulls, you've never seen pulls this big

yuge

[chilly brook]

Lololol

[sand egret]

biggest pulls I've ever seen.

@sick sentinel I actually unlocked Visage on my latest piece last night. Looking forward to seeing the charts on it

[delicate prism]

I guess it's good you can get some excitement by looking forward to being disappointed.

[oblique wolf]

@sick sentinel is that log with only 1 visage on your gear?

[sick sentinel]

only 1

[oblique wolf]

wow

[sand egret]

yep!

[oblique wolf]

never would have guessed. I have 2 bulwarks on my gear and thought they were effective

[sick sentinel]

running resounding/gemhide/visage

[sand egret]

I'm a fan of the trait personally, I had it for a bit but lost it in an upgrade

I like how it works with our damage profile

[junior ivy]

look at this gnome i found

[signal plover]

Ummm

#off-topic

[junior ivy]

😦

[primal crypt]

#off-topic

[sand egret]

two things we wish we could block: Rocks and ALL GNOME CONTENT. hiss

[lusty grotto]

hey man

gnomettes are t h i c c

[chilly brook]

Gnomes are gross

[lusty grotto]

you shut your mouth heathen!

but yes male gnomes are gross

[signal plover]

All gnomes are gross

[chilly brook]

I play a male panda, are you really going to take my statement seriously? 🙃

[primal crypt]

👏

[signal plover]

Ur brave

[chilly brook]

Male pandaren prot warrior

The 1% of the 1%

[open bluff]

male panda prot reporting in

[chilly brook]

Ayyyy

[signal plover]

Better than gnome

[distant jewel]

hey guys 1 short question, is archive of titans trait worth outside of uldir??

[sand egret]

spicey boi is best race for prot 😃

[distant jewel]

? confused 😄

[chilly brook]

I’d say not over the regular prot traits @distant jewel

[signal plover]

Not rly kvinze

[sand egret]

but I think the question is more of "how much are you doing shit outside of Uldir"

and if its worth it to you to respec haha

[distant jewel]

like mythic + 13 and over

[chilly brook]

Yea not worth

[sand egret]

yeah, like going panda over spicey boi

[chilly brook]

I’m not alliance

Can’t be spicy boi

[steel mauve]

Archive isnt great for us, we really just take it for reorigination inside uldir

The str from it is decent but no where near prot spec traits bfi and IF

[distant jewel]

aight thanks!

[sand egret]

im a big fan of BFI

[chilly brook]

I kinda like IF

[sand egret]

do you have more than one? I am looking to try and stack IF in 8.1

[chilly brook]

Nah just one rn

[oblique wolf]

is IF the extra absorb one?

[sand egret]

between that and BFI, we can get a lot of free block via traits

it's the passive Block + thorns damage on block, basically

[oblique wolf]

ah

[chilly brook]

One IF, one DC and one Bloodsport

[sand egret]

(IF is)

Seeing as our shield is a huge portion of our mitigation, these traits could really shore up the RNG disparity

[chilly brook]

I’m probably not gonna run Archive until I get more haste

[sand egret]

actually one of the biggest reasons I'm looking forward to 8.1's changes

[chilly brook]

Do we have any details on the changes?

[sand egret]

no, just going off of a) extra ring and b) "more gear"

but both those = more traits to play with in total (an extra 3 more)

[chilly brook]

Yea

I’m hoping we get some more interesting traits

Having an extra ring of class specific traits could actually make azerite much more interesting

[stark sage]

so far a lot of the new traits coming in 8.1 are fairly promising, similar complexity to first tier bonuses, and the extra ring will help with RNG

[raven kernel]

the bastion of might(?) thing looks very strong for M+

[chilly brook]

Probably will be just because of the extra damage

[raven kernel]

yeah

[chilly brook]

We can already melt mobs

[raven kernel]

will bump me over 10k attack power if i have 2 or 3 traits

plus it helps IP too

and our crit block % will be

so high

majority of our blocks will be crit blocks

[chilly brook]

I still think mastery shouldn’t be crit Block it should be the t21 4 set

🙃

[raven kernel]

whats that

i didnt play war in legion

[chilly brook]

Each block adds an amount to IP

[raven kernel]

🙃

[chilly brook]

Was amazing when they changed it during pre-patch

[oblique wolf]

holy shit, I didn't play late legion. that set is rediculous

[steel mauve]

You still ran t20 4 set until you got mythic t21 though

Had an internal icd and ip was gone in basically 2-3 hits regardless

[oblique wolf]

ah who cares, think of the damage

[steel mauve]

T20 swt bonuses were rage factories

[chilly brook]

@steel mauve before prepatch that was correct

After prepatch when they changed IP and that set bonus it was insane

[steel mauve]

Wasnt it like armor in bfa or was that the 2 set?

[chilly brook]

You never lost IP when SB was up

Armor was the 2 set

[steel mauve]

Ya they were lazy

[chilly brook]

Because 2 piece was the old battlecry

Which we lost

[steel mauve]

Like you dont have BC any more so fuck it 5% armor

[chilly brook]

But like I’d come out of a shield block with an IP of like 60k

In antorus

Which is way higher than I can stack it right now

I’m lucky to hit 51k

[steel mauve]

I didnt raid during pre patch i went on a 3 week vacation, and basically disbanded my team because i couldnt sustain the times

[chilly brook]

The set would really help with mitigation outside of block

[oblique wolf]

jesus, what gear gets you 51k. I feel like I cap out around ~38k

[chilly brook]

My first IP is like 36k

[steel mauve]

Its not unreal to get that high

[chilly brook]

Depending on when I use it I can get 51k

[oblique wolf]

ah, right. you are mostly mythic geared right?

[chilly brook]

But that’s the stack

Yea

Well nah

[oblique wolf]

i'm like 371

[steel mauve]

I usually avg about 49k at max stack

[chilly brook]

I’m like 375 equipped

And having a piece with bloodsport helps

[steel mauve]

But thats like prepping a taunt, doesnt happen a ton when actively tanking

[chilly brook]

It seems to happen more often than not on Zek

[steel mauve]

Ya i think zek has a really slow AS

I dont seem to notice a lot of dmg on him

[chilly brook]

He intentionally has a longer attack speed I think since he has that healing debuff

Otherwise you have to be on point on taunt like a robot

[steel mauve]

Thats why i made a weakaura to blow an air horn in my ear when i need to taunt 👌

[tropic star]

51-52k @375

cap not single

[steel mauve]

Ya no ones getting 50k single casts

[chilly brook]

I wish I was

Lol

[crisp lagoon]

new ptr build, still nothing for prot 🐸

[ember arrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287975/patch-8-1-ptr-build-28151-achievement-class-and-spell-changes?webhook/patch-8-1-ptr-build-28151-achievement-class-and-spell-changes

i thought bdk gonna be nerfed

:^)

they missed the point as always

[vocal nimbus]

@junior igloo do you have at hand the armor formula and the k values?

[fierce juniper]

armor / (armor + k)

Base: 6300
M/M+: 7100.1
Uldir-normal: 7736.4
Uldir-heroc: 8467.2
Uldir-mythic: 9311.4

[vocal nimbus]

bless you

[junior igloo]

sniped 😃

[lucid bough]

Intimidating Presence (New) Intimidating Shout reduces the movement speed of affected enemies by 50%, and prevents the next 1,356 damage they deal after Intimidating Shout ends.

[delicate prism]

1.356 damage?

[lucid bough]

Should be the baseline* attack, ilvel, stats or wtv

i think xD

we never know

and

[delicate prism]

Sense of wonder and discovery.

[lucid bough]

seems week because

weak

well they are feared

so they already not doing damage?

idk xD

[delicate prism]

Is this a new talent?

That we won't be able to take

[crisp lagoon]

new azerite trait

[delicate prism]

Oh

Yeah, it's probably note baseline then.

As they are all almost pointless.

[neon tangle]

Well 15% reduced armor should.. certainly make blood a little more squishy

[amber siren]

It completely misses the point of why BDK is top tier in M+

It's a non-change

[neon tangle]

Yeah seems to hit them harder in raids where they weren’t nearly as OP

[amber siren]

P much

No idea why they made this change

[neon tangle]

Idk why they aren’t going after bonestorm

[tropic star]

so this reaping affix

[sand egret]

haha wanna bet is its like "if you drop below 10% hp you die"

but knowing tuning it'll be like 50%

[dark junco]

That new azerite trait is awesome

100% replace DC or BFI

/s

[sand egret]

and here I was going to legit agree with you

[stone crag]

haHAA

[sand egret]

O_O

[dark junco]

Are they even playing Prot?

[sand egret]

well it ain't going to replace those, as we're getting more total traits

[dark junco]

Unless you tell me 2 outers, its still crap

[ember arrow]

@neon tangle bonestorm isnt what makes them strong

[dark junco]

Cause 2 inners wont be worth it

[ember arrow]

peopel dont realize it

still

death strike

its death strike

[sand egret]

IS gets to be a defensive cooldown for free

[dark junco]

1x minute

1k damage

Dude what?

[sand egret]

its tooltip damage

so a) that's not the actual number you'll see

and b) it's free

[dark junco]

So we’ll weave IS and LS into SB rotation

And wont work on boss

But on trash

Cool

[sand egret]

you sure?

[dark junco]

We have an issue with trash

Bosses immune to all CC

[sand egret]

and?

this absorb isn't part of the CC

[dark junco]

Remind me how warbringer dealt damage to bosses

[sand egret]

I bet this will actually work on bosses

[dark junco]

Aka it didn’t

[sand egret]

this isnt dealing damage though

[oblique wolf]

warbringer was such a ridiculously buggy talent. remember how you could stun/damage across any distance

[dark junco]

Same thing its part of the debuff

[sand egret]

is it?

we don't know this

[oblique wolf]

you cannot take the performance of that talent as an indication of how other things work

[sand egret]

we don't know if there are two indepedent debuffs

however, over-reacting over ptr tooltips IS what we do here so carry on.

[dark junco]

At the moment, I’d just want to point out each time we predicted something on the ptr, we were right so yeah. For that trait to be good, they’d have to get 2 outer traits and not 2 inners. So we’d get that IS + BFI on some pieces

Cause no way I’d give up BFI or DC for improved IS.

[sand egret]

Why are you giving anything up?

Still don't get this

[dark junco]

New trait gotta be somewhere on the ring

[echo egret]

340 with DC versus 385 without , still not worth it ? (no other piece with DC sadly)

[sand egret]

assuming we're bound to DC still, that leaves us with 8 other traits to choose from

[dark junco]

385 is better its about 40ilvl

BFI is far up there above the others too

[midnight ferry]

fucking rock thrower in TD and sanguine

[sand egret]

#BlockTheRock

[echo egret]

well my 385 has callous reprisal

[midnight ferry]

wtb grip

[dark junco]

Since BFI stacks, it amount to +/- 1K BV

Is it chest or ahoulders @echo egret ?

[echo egret]

shoulders

[dark junco]

Close-ish then.

If it was chest, def’ the 385.

[brazen sequoia]

Does Rallying stack?

[dark junco]

Check your log for uptime on DS @echo egret, if when actively tanking its +50% keep the 340. If its under, switch to the 385

[echo egret]

ah, never thought of that

[dark junco]

Thats how I’d settle it, but thats my personal opinion on it.

[sand egret]

@brazen sequoia yes I believe it does

(assuming you're talking about the traits)

[echo egret]

hmm interesting, my DS uptime is between 20% and 45% depending on fights... and I thought I was using that on CD !

[sick sentinel]

Rallying HP gain stacks, duration does not @brazen sequoia

[echo egret]

oh wait, how do you tell warcraftlogs to measure uptime when activelmy tanking only ?

[astral crystal]

that new int shout trait is kinda cool

slows ms of affected targets by 50% and prevents some damage done after it ends

[sand egret]

yeah, almost 9k per target. Slap that on a group of casters to nix a cast + reduce the next barrage

[astral crystal]

still wouldn't take it over any of the outer ring traits we have now though idk

good thing they dont compete

[sand egret]

yeah i don't think it'll be much of a trade-off, considering the net increase in available traits to pick from between the two outer rings

[astral crystal]

General - NEW Lying In Wait While no enemy is within 12 yds, heal for 689 every sec. While any enemy is within 12 yds, gain 173 Speed.

that's an omegalul if i ever saw it

[sand egret]

mandatory grevious trait 😃

[astral crystal]

still no prot buffs up

god dang

[sand egret]

we won't see em until a larger release build

[shadow sequoia]

so guys is it worth to drop 15 ilvl on chest to unlock the 3rd ring or not ?

[sand egret]

you got [SARAH'S TEST] strings in this one

so I wouldn't really treat this build as anything close to an RC haha

[astral crystal]

confused as to why veteran of the third war got nerfed

now they take more dmg in raids

[sand egret]

(are you giving up DC @shadow sequoia?)

[astral crystal]

but their m+ performance is barely affected

[oblique wolf]

if I only have one socket should it be haste or Str?

[shadow sequoia]

@sand egret nope

[sand egret]

then I wouldn't drop the ilvl imho

[ember arrow]

@astral crystal more dmg taken = more DS healing

:^)

literally

and its without boneshield

so only affexting gear, making it roughly 8% decrease while boneshield is up ( and its always up)

[sand egret]

does mean they take a bit more damage during those mega-pulls......granted their ability to create those pulls in the first place is our issue....but I digress

[lime wing]

guys, I've got 2 385 azerite armor with Revange trait

[ember arrow]

8% less armor isnt 8% more dmg taken

it will be barely noticeable

[lime wing]

Is it better than the neutral ones?

[ember arrow]

it will mostly affect oneshot raid mechanic

[sand egret]

isn't it the opposite though? I thought armor had more influence in auto-attacks, which are far more impactful in M+

than it would be to reduce tank busters

[ember arrow]

not really

dk doenst have much armor to begin with

8% less wont really make it worse, and DS will heal for more, since DS is based on dmg taken

[sand egret]

what's a DK's comparative armor value?

[ember arrow]

let me login

[sand egret]

if it's hitting VotTW, then doesn't that mean it is a bigger hit to how BDKs scale with ilvl