yup haha
#protection
round vortex
junior ivy
:(
round vortex
soloing a tyranical boss from 13% will do that lol
sand egret
Story time: I went to do a Key this weekend and ofc I got an off "oh prot.." comment from the healer. I swapped specs to Prot, but my role didn't update so I was listed as a DPS. So I go, YOLO DPS and just start pulling like normally. DPS messes up a mechanic and so we wipe, they go "Oh well if we had a tank..." and then I hear "oh, he's prot now we got this".....
junior ivy
Power wont be back for another 3 and a half hours 😭
sand egret
we finish the dungeon. these dudes literally had no idea I was prot the whole time
sick sentinel
trolled.
digital arrow
Haha got em
round vortex
haha winning
sand egret
thought I was fury and topping the charts
hazy path
Hows the Tradewinds trait chance for 893 mastery ? cant find info
digital arrow
Got that nerd
sick sentinel
old raids and shit?
robust wave
well, it adds dps, and healing. but in a group, those aren't a tank's role
so those should be coverd
robust wave
but if you're not in a group, it adds dps and healing, which you don't have. so its kinda awesome like that
sick sentinel
blockades?
digital lance
Yeah
sick sentinel
yeah thats what im wondering.
digital lance
It's better.
sick sentinel
survivability trinkets.
robust wave
it all depends on what you're replacing
digital lance
Str converts to armour remember
sick sentinel
355 blockades, 375 jes howler, 385 doom's fury, 370 Rezan's, 370 syringe w/ socket
My mind mainly on what for survivability for mythic+
jes howl I know is like god top (and group DPS boost)
blockades has always felt meh to me, but it does work sometimes.
chilly brook
@sick sentinel I’ve been using the trinket and tbh it’s not bad
Especially if you have a socket
sick sentinel
yeah I'll try it this week.
amber siren
spores is not a good trinket at all
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
silver breach
So question for you all. I currently have 2 370 Azerite and a 385 Azerite - They all 3 have Deafening Crash >< Would you use a 355 in either 370 slot or just use the generic traits on 2 of them?
chilly brook
I’ve not been having an issue with my 365 with socket
sick sentinel
I'm basically the mythic+ god tank for the guild, cus DKs/monk in the guild are bad/dont do more than their single 10 for the week. Although, they're our raid tanks. 🙄
wheras im auxiliary raider as arms DPS. time constraints else id tank
ilvl > all in that case, John.
Ramp up the 
no real harm. Still better than generics.
chilly brook
I got a 385 helmet with IF
sick sentinel
gz
wild bolt
Great video, @chilly brook .
chilly brook
But I’m pretty sure that it’s not worth dropping Archive for
sick sentinel
I'll have to check out the video.
silver breach
Thanks!
sick sentinel
crossing fingers mythic mother this week give me a fucking helm.
elder tusk
Afternoon folks, starting M fetid progression today and I'm thinking about deafening crash too. The highest I have is 340 shoulders with DC vs 385 Reinforced Plating. I'm leaning towards DC but thought I'd ask here
wild bolt
Yeah I have to switch back from my 385 helmet w/ Bloodsport to my Archive helmet for raid nights.
chilly brook
Yea I’ll be rolling on mother and taloc this week
wild bolt
Fortunately my Mother helm is 370, but it still feels...bad-ish.
wild bolt
Ooooof.
chilly brook
Oooooooof
sick sentinel
I usually just roll mother and the world boss.
floral tinsel
I have tested a bit in M Uldir, 340 DC > 385 not DC
wild bolt
Haha, yeah right on.
sick sentinel
BIS for Arms, and solid for Prot
Proccs more than Rezans
But yeah, keep aiming for Rezan's. TF from mythic10+ is juicy.
Jes Howler is bae tho if aspiring for mythic+ tank God
wild bolt
I don't have a Howler either. I've got a 350 Rezan's and Blockades, but I throw on a 370 Doom's Fury for mid keys & farm stuff.
chilly brook
@floral tinsel yea at this point it’s just not feasible to really replace DC without using another piece
wild bolt
Yeah I've enjoyed it! 😄
sick sentinel
I'd also so it's BIS for necrotic week too.
parry off the stacks.
370 DC chest from Zandalari Emissary. 🤔
hm.
thorn yarrow
smh
sick sentinel
Parrying off neurotic stacks is so good
chilly brook
I mean I have a 350 Rezan’s
digital arrow
parrying? what! u can do that??
chilly brook
But I’m not sure if I should use it
chilly brook
TBH I’m probably just gonna farm AD this week
wild bolt
Yeah this is a nice AD week.
sick sentinel
Also, winds of war
sick sentinel
Sanguine week? You mean "I'm deleting manor, shrine and temple keys" week?
wild bolt
That's the one! 😄
digital arrow
does anyone else get literally one-shot by block warden on the 2nd floor lol
sick sentinel
AD LIFE
digital arrow
when he's fighting against seaspeakers
wild bolt
But yeah, TD isn't too bad. I only dislike the fire boss, really.
sick sentinel
only possible upgrade to my shield is a WF socket AD10+ 380 shield at this point. 😛
same for ring, get a TF w/ socket
wild bolt
The Cannon parts are fun...not that I ever get to use them or anything.
But I'm not salty. Nope. Not a bit.
sick sentinel
TD isn't bad at all. Just bring a strong cleave group w/ AOE stuns/interrupts that'll actually interrupt and obey mechanics. Rogue/Blacksmith/Inscriptionist is a must for time.
Tanks should be using the cannons.
wild bolt
Yeah well
sick sentinel
or that.
wild bolt
I tried telling my overzealous melee dps that
He likes to jump in and nuke me while I still have 2 mobs on me from the pre-cannon pull.
sick sentinel
DPS should be snaring/stunning/killing adds while all their threat is on the cannon blasting them (a tank.)
digital arrow
perhaps its just me, but everytime i charge at block warden he hits me for like 3x my max hp
sick sentinel
pug DPS RIP
digital arrow
idk if its a glitch or what
wild bolt
Yeah, it's bad news.
digital arrow
im talkin the instant i charge, BAM DEAD lol
sick sentinel
other than that, they aren't special.
wild bolt
Check "What happened to me" tab?
digital arrow
ohhhh u know what maybe i charged him at the end of his lockdown since he's mid-fight
wild bolt
That's possible.
digital arrow
makes total sense now
wild bolt
I've charged into my fair share of bad times 😄
wild bolt
Well, odds are if you don't go in, someone else will. I get that.
prisma crane
@digital arrow the addon death note is a great one
digital arrow
thanks i'll try that one out
prisma crane
it'll show you everything in a clear way and it goes back like 30 seconds
junior ivy
YAY POWER IS BACK
they literally jsut updated it to say it wouldnt be back until 4, then all of a sudden it came onh
chilly brook
🙌🏻
sick sentinel
nice. no socket tho rip
junior ivy
im sad i wanted 385 azaerite shoulde3rs with DC
chilly brook
So say we all
sick sentinel
mhm.
sick sentinel
@carmine ibex no
chilly brook
Nope
chilly brook
CR is still good
chilly brook
Lol
sand egret
fucking.rocks.
sand egret
if only the Legion employed more wrench-throwers
sick sentinel
Shockwave
carmine ibex
so with CR, should I actually use rage on revenge over say, capping IP, if I have a 3 stack up and it's about to fall off ?
sick sentinel
Intimidating shout
carmine ibex
or should I just keep the normal rotation
sand egret
I wouldn't change your rotation based on CR
carmine ibex
okay
chilly brook
I mean IS is dangerous af in motherlode
sand egret
but it's not too hard to keep up stacks, from my experience.
WOO MOP Timewalking!
time to finally get my that stupid waterstrider
i shall no longer make the swim of shame at the start of TD!
chilly brook
Lololol
Bruh now i know I won’t be playing much of anything else except for WoW this week
RIP
carmine ibex
I have 2x shimmering heaven now. does the effect stack, or the proc rate double
chilly brook
Not sure
sick sentinel
IS isn't dangerous at all if you tclap/revenge right after.
chilly brook
But I’m in the same boat
carmine ibex
looks like it stacks
carmine ibex
I just smacked the dummy that hits back a few times and it procced for the value of both added up
carmine ibex
no, effect
sand egret
the hp and armor should stack
carmine ibex
they do
sand egret
yeah, with traits the best way to tell what stacks vs what doesn't is to see which traits change as the ilvl increases
like DC doesn't increase in CDR but the damage does
chilly brook
I finally got a piece with Impassive Visage so that should be nice
chilly brook
Noice
flint prism
Crying in the club rn
chilly brook
Papa Bless
sand egret
it's bittersweet
chilly brook
Can I even say that anymore? Now that the papa isn’t with papa’s?
sand egret
it's like watching one of us graduate from our self-help group
flint prism
Still can't get a shield over 340 though
ancient ore
Same
flint prism
So basically i don't have a prot spec
chilly brook
I mean a 340 can still get you decently far
primal crypt
Little kickballs for my tauren
Whats the word....puntable
@junior ivy what is your transmog right now
chilly brook
Gnomes are disgusting
sick sentinel
^
amber siren
Cat warrior celebrity
chilly brook
Be a panda if you want to be a meme
sick sentinel
cat panda.
tulip pond
I swear people have some kind of secret universal WA that they hide from us that tracks our SR.
Use SR -> Someone interrupts immediately
Don't use SR -> None interrupts
carmine ibex
yeah
the thing is, when we pop SR, it resets the cooldown on everyone's interrupt
and lights up the icon
sand egret
yeah it's an azerite trait dps specs get
cinder nova
I tell my mates in discord
sand egret
Sadness and Reflection
cinder nova
Fucking piss
sand egret
its what we do when we hit the button and get sad because someone interrupted that 70k bolt
tulip pond
"Ok, don't interrupt next cast"
"INTERRUPT THE NEXT CAST YOU SAID? OK!"
sand egret
also, reflected spells should be able to crit (if they can, I've never seen it)
earnest zinc
We really just need Shield Block to have a 9 second CD, cost no rage, and to block ranged as well as melee attacks. They can give a penalty to the amount blocked when Shield Block is up if it's too strong.
digital arrow
catfriend, the people's hero
sand egret
friend of cats and people
digital arrow
lol
steel mauve
"If" its too strong, that would be outright op
digital arrow
@primal crypt better watch ur shins cracks gnome knuckles
amber siren
Gnomes Are the best warrior race get out of here you haters
earnest zinc
Maybe give a 50% penalty to it (as in block is effectively 50% less when Shield Block is up) and add a 10% reduction to all damage to the spec
Also Ignore Pain needs to scale better
digital arrow
high fives rybie
digital arrow
excuse You
earnest zinc
There is also no reason it can't be a full absorb with how low the damage prevented is
That change would help the perception more than anything as it makes it easier to recover from mistakes
Also ffs put it back off the GCD. That won't do much for survival, but it just feels wrong. It's not a problem for other tanks because you aren't using those similar abilities near as much
Except for DK, but DS has ALWAYS been on the GCD
Even Brew's orb ability has a lower GCD when you only use it every 15 seconds at most
sand egret
hmm, I'm just not sure how that would "solve" anything
limber wigeon
You really shouldn't be using expel harm as a brew anyways. Except in dire situations. But I'm in the camp that enjoys ignore pain on the gcd.
steel mauve
Ip really doesnt need to be on gcd, its not that bad, you kind of get used to it, and we dont generate the tons of rage we used to for it to justify being off gcd any ways
stark sage
the thing is, trying to fit a 40 rage on GCD skill is jarring for the rotation. you get used to it but it would flow much better if it was similar to the legion variable cost off gcd style
it wouldnt have to be numerically better
and it wouldnt really change how it is used
you would just be able to cast more devastates
final mist
It's moreso that the rotation is just clunky and cluttered, and feels too cramped.
sand egret
cramped for sure
steel mauve
I feel if it was variable rage cost that would pidgeon hole even more prot wars to dump more rage into it and be the bad prot wars not able to use shield block because they keep accidentally dumping rage into ip 😛
stark sage
thats when you tell them to git gud
its okay for the spec to further increase its skill ceiling/floor, if it trades off for a better rotation imo
final mist
That's poor play, the same as misusing Death Strike or other similar abilities is poor play that leads to death.
steel mauve
I could see it now "why didnt you hit shield block?" " i accidentally spent 140 rage on 12 ips"
stark sage
XD
final mist
People did that in Legion too.
sand egret
I could see that still happening more if it stayed the same but off the gcd
just spamming that button super hard
and starve yourself
stark sage
yeah spamming IP in legion was still bad
it wasnt as bad since we generated infinite rage, and IP was 90% effective
so it was harder to waste
sand egret
yeah IP just doesn't have teh same oomph
steel mauve
We could generate enough rage to do it most of the time and still keep sb up though
sand egret
so it's way more punishing if you do
stark sage
its more punishing because 40 rage is really valuable
and if it spent on nothing you are screwed
sand egret
and you have to wait a full GCD to manually generate any rage if you do mess up
sand egret
which to me, is probably the root of a lot of "put IP off the gcd" frustrations, imho
sick sentinel
I'm also in the "ignore pain on the GCD is fine" camp.
fathom marten
^same
stark sage
it functions fine on the GCD
fathom marten
It's just so underwhelming in the first place. Taking it off gcd is like... putting some cloth armor over our plate armor.
sick sentinel
IP off GCD would just reinforce bad habits into noobie prot warrior players anyway. Wouldn't do us much additional good atm, besides allow an additional devastate or two. zzz
sand egret
and the last thing we need a more noobie prot warriors messing up keys for the rest of us
sick sentinel
with my GCD near 1s these days and only getting closer, I hardly notice it being an issue to begin with.
sand egret
I've already got my muscle memory built for BFA, I dont wanna re-configure it that much
daring marlin
I keep seeing people say that.
Clearly noobs should git gud if that's a noob trap lol?
If it ever happened, that is.
earnest zinc
IP on the GCD doesn't hurt the spec much at all, but it just feels wrong
robust wave
@chilly brook I'm watching your guide right now. Its helpful for me, ty
earnest zinc
The amount of help we would get would be smaller than the already small buff we got a bit ago
sand egret
@robust wave can you dm me the link to the video? I'd like to check out what Griff has got to say 😃
Oh, I found one....and it's got a friggin' Male Panda....wonder who this could be....
robust wave
I'm watching https://youtu.be/SsRg1w9V6LQ and then I'll watch his next. Cuz I'm at work and got lots o time to kill T_T
strong forum
das a nice emissary drop >:)
supple path
Got a 385 big red button trinket here - thinking that's probably not worth swapping in over a 355 howler/darkmoon deck? 77 more str but pure offense otherwise. Boo.
sick sentinel
nah its not.
maybe solo world pvp. the strength gain not worth the utility loss of blockades/howler.
chilly brook
@robust wave glad it's helping out!
lusty grotto
sigh
supple path
heh, pvp chest reward was "make a dread gladiator item ilvl 365" - why are you not "make a mythic item 380" main chest.
strong forum
that actually doesnt sound too bad tbh
just getting a token to upgrade azerite to 385 from weekly
carmine ibex
@lusty grotto I got the same ones.
mellow bridge
@supple path You can use the button if you dont need the def from blockades
Just depends if you want an offensive or defensive trinket
the dmg should be pretty good at 385
Hope I get a shield in my chest tomorrow 🙏
merry cave
370 DC chest from wq cache, finally got some gearing options lol
digital arrow
nice!
chilly brook
What is Reorigination drive up to now?
Not including boss kills for this week
@sand egret I’ve been exposed the panda has given me away
merry cave
Yeah us is azerite
next ermine
i looked on wowhead and it says proudmoore admiralty for azerite
so i hope yout wrong lol
robust wave
Bloodsport is the talent that puts a lil pool down, and lets you leach HP yeah?
mellow bridge
No
robust wave
does that pool have a graphic? i haven't noticed it yet
mellow bridge
bloodsport makes IP bigger and gives us leech
next ermine
rip
carmine ibex
@robust wave bloodsport is an outer ring trait that buffs IP and makes it give leech, there's no pool, you're thinking of the 2nd ring trait called shimmering heaven maybe, it drops a azerite-ish looking pool on the ground that gives you HP/armor, it's very obvious and (imo) obnoxious because it clutters up AoE
digital arrow
yeah i dont like that one either
when i first got it, i didnt know what it was
and i kept out of it
next ermine
isnt that one fairly strong though
carmine ibex
yeah it is, it's a good buff
it's just awful to look at it
because there's already so much stuff you need to pay attention to on the ground
next ermine
i kinda like the animation, though it does cause clutter agreed
digital arrow
i like the bonus but im always having to move out of it anyway
neat lagoon
best Prot traits is the Demo Shout duration with thunder clap, Shield Slam reset and than the blocking one
next ermine
DC -> Brace For Impact -> Iron Fortress
neat lagoon
blocking one is kinda dumb sometimes, so something like bloodsport can be better on a magic damage fight
mhm, Iron Fortress is BEAST in keystones, but some fights that are massive damage spikes the Bloodsport can be better
helps healers imo if your damage is nice
dreamy zealot
Soooo got a 385 Shoulder with Brace for Impact. The only piece that I currently have with deafening crash is a my 355 shoulder. Which would you use?
neat lagoon
i would
personally
do u have an offspec Case?
or farm another piece with DC asap
robust wave
I'm thinking of an outer ring trait that puts a pool down, it does damage and leach
robust wave
it was listed as 3rd~ish on the list of good traits
neat lagoon
we jsut listed the traits for ya
next ermine
for prot warrior?
neat lagoon
up top are the best
neat lagoon
next ermine
Deafening Crash
Brace for Impact
ron Fortress
Bloodsport
Callous Reprisal
Reinforced Plating
those are your top 6 in order
robust wave
so, i'm only in normal, cuz nub. and the trait is bloodsport. but it doesn't do anything for IP
next ermine
yes it does
robust wave
is there an upgraded version at higher teirs?
robust wave
maybe i just missed it
neat lagoon
that would help lol
merry cave
Im on an OCE server which im pretty sure follows US. I definately had a zandalari cache for azerite gear
carmine ibex
the pvp trinkets don't do a percent translation heal right? the extra HP is removed when the trinket ends?
zinc mauve
fucking kill me
the literal worst trinket i could get
and it fucking titanforges just to taunt me
jagged bay
FeelsBadMan sorry for you :/
robust wave
@next ermine you asking me?
chilly brook
Part of me thinks that the people that struggle with shimmering Haven and distinguishing aoe just don’t have proper color calibration
I’ve only ran into one situation where it makes it remotely difficult and that’s the last boss of TD but that’s more of a aoe effect not being all that distinguishable anyways it’s literally just a shade change on the ground
lavish oracle
They could be colorblind
next ermine
@zinc mauve that from cache? Cause it's a cool 5ilvl titanforge if so XD
digital arrow
@hot locust is there a reason why you aren't using deafening crash?
mellow bridge
TD first boss can be annoying as well tbh
When the storm happens and there are 30000 aoe effects on the ground from DKs, Mages, traits, the traps, maybe volcanic
zzz
solid mist
There is a way to like disable other people's garbage on teh floor right? so you only see the enemy stuff and your own personal stuff?
modern brook
Do we ever stop using dark moon deck?
cinder nova
No, but you can stop using it if you're going to take more DPS trinkets
mellow bridge
well I want to see their AoE so I know how to position the pack if I need to move
It's fine usually there are just a couple of exceptions like that first TD boss
pearl dew
380 tf Prism (from this weeks's world boss), 370 Rezan's, 355 Kraulok's, DMD: Blockades. Pick two.
neon tangle
welp, I timed a bunch of 10's yesterday
and got 0 credit on r.io
because my server is all 11+
fml
next ermine
Prolly blockades and rezans defensive wise
shadow compass
beginner tank, mythrax trinket any good?
next ermine
It's okay
neon tangle
People like it at higher ilvls
I disenchanted my 355 tho
It was maximum of like 500hps
shadow compass
well, im 360 overall, so a 355 is ok for me ^^
hot locust
@digital arrow all the extra demo extension doesn't really do much for me defensively on g'huun with the way taunt swaps work so I was just wearing higher ilvl pieces. Pretty sure I'll be wearing it again next week though after looking at logs some more and stuff.
digital arrow
i see.. thanks
neon tangle
I raid today :/
modern brook
Do them tomorrow get most of the credit
Alternatively, make friend with someone on a dead server
Get all of the credit
raven kernel
just do 11s
modern brook
Io is a stronger indicator of desire to do keys on Tuesday until your looking at 1500+
silk portal
@zinc mauve Give me that please
raven kernel
hows grievous this week tho
zinc mauve
who in gods name would want the button
modern brook
Marth players
sand egret
I feel like it sucks for prot.....seeing as we don't have a mechanism to pop that threshold to remove the dot
but I also haven't experienced it as Prot. It's a pretty gnarly affix that can get out of hand really fast depending on the fight, imho
dreamy zealot
Going off the deep end here..... If you are not going to run Deafening Crash, would you consider swapping your talents around at all? I am currently between running Reprisal/BFA(385)/Laser vs Reprisal/DC(355)/Laser.
mellow bridge
Why would you not run DC tho
dreamy zealot
355 vs 385
mellow bridge
Still worth
zinc mauve
over 3 minutes of fighting, you can cast demo shout 6 times, the debuff has 48 seconds of uptime without DC and about 90 seconds of uptime with DC if my old math holds up
you basically double the uptime if used properly
dreamy zealot
But but...... 385 😦
Was just wondering if there were another viable build if I talented into vengeance or heavy repercussions given the reprisal and BFA
zinc mauve
demo shout without dc is a 3.75% damage increase, with dc (from increased uptime) is 7.5%
HR is somewhat viable on some fights but anger management is simply just an amazing talent
mellow bridge
In our current state we don't really have any viable alternative builds
zinc mauve
there's only a few talents you can really get away with swapping out
mellow bridge
Yup
Basically only the rumbling earth/storm bolt and bounding strikes/whatever the TC aoe is called
the rest is set
zinc mauve
the problem is with bolster talent, which you are already taking, you're going to have close to 100% uptime on shieldblock anyway
and you dont even need 100% uptime unless you are doing certain fights if i were to be honest
dreamy zealot
Yea, I remember at launch another build built around heavy repercussions and punish was floating around. Just wanted to see if anyone was still fucking around with it
zinc mauve
i dont know of anyone who has made it very far using that built, especially since DC is such an incredible trait for our main build anyway
steel mauve
A certain website that shall not be named recommended punish, HR and others
Still does i think
mellow bridge
Yikes
steel mauve
And to clarify, HR is NOT viable on any fight
AM is too strong to not take on any thing
@dreamy zealot DC is worth about 45 ilvls, so you should drop 30 ilvls for it with out blinking
next goblet
so grievous week.. does it affect us really bad?
zinc mauve
manabunsss
stuck oxide
Zul mythic is a joke with rogues 😆
sand egret
can you fireblood/stoneform the grevious dot?
next goblet
grievous sanguine fort.. not bad lol
stuck oxide
So far i had no trouble tanking with my prot warrior and i am progressing on Mythic mythrax.
chilly brook
Timewalking rep tokens can’t be mailed to an alt can they?
oblique cedar
Oh shit that's cool
sand egret
hell yeah
gonna get me a waterstrider this week baybeee
no longer shall I be shamed during TD keys
sand egret
"woulda had +2 if you had a waterstrider...." just gutted me this weekend
plain ice
and intervening your teammates?
plain ice
ahaha
sand egret
they move too fast
plain ice
feelsbadman
sand egret
i can leap, but only so far
thorn yarrow
I mean u can edge the trash without water strider tho...
Like you don't even need it
sand egret
well I can wash my clothes by hand everytime....doesn't mean I don't prefer to have a washer and drier!
thorn yarrow
That's not even remotely close an argument
You aren't losing anytime without the strider because u can run along the edge of the water an still not pull trash.
sand egret
when I get to run at 100%ms like he does
signal plover
Just bring a shaman
sand egret
I'll probably do the same
until then, in due time
the heck is a shaman?
(although now I'm totally going to inv Shaman and whisper them, "You spec'd into Water Walking?")
supple path
I just use my draenic swiftness potion like an adult and pretend it was all on purpose.
digital arrow
spectral berserker bleeds are ridiculous in king's rest
void sandal
This week seems a little nasty for M+
digital arrow
way too strong blizzard what were u thinkingggg
sand egret
Dark Iron racial
digital arrow
^
sand egret
O_O
digital arrow
soon
supple path
I haven't tested, do things like BoP remove that bleed?
digital arrow
that cleansing feeling
sand egret
it's the best
sand egret
(the 800 extra str also helps sell it)
however the one thing people don't talk about.....Avatar + Fireblood = Dorf the size of a Tauren
i discovered this yesterday as I was hulking over this puny Dranei
digital arrow
well i've been tanking berserkers the wrong way, they need to be kited so that severing blade doesnt stack too much on u!
i've been a fool
or let a melee get a stack
share the pain
sand egret
the trick I like to use is when they Leap, they do a check after for severing blade
so you can bait the check then range it
digital arrow
ahhh
sand egret
so I'll HL or intercept after it
digital arrow
smart
supple path
(or the hunter, because you want them to die)
sand egret
(more so this)
digital arrow
haha can barely get pug hunters to trap next pack at the end of fights
sand egret
Oh, I can get them to trap....it's not throwing it at Immune targets which is the problem
sand egret
sees thrown trap.
....
waits 30 seconds
but yeah, the zerker bleed is able to be gamed, like a surprising amount of attacks in the game.
supple path
The first 10 hunters I grouped with this expansion all used their big AE spell to aggro like 7 additional packs.
I later learned that they're apparently actually a good class or something? who knew
sand egret
The Debilitating Backhand is another one
digital arrow
ahhh yah
wild atlas
Is that it?
digital arrow
lol goin to macro that
sand egret
yep
wild atlas
I used spell reflect and didn’t get shattered defenses at all
digital arrow
!!!
wild atlas
So I wasn’t sure if it was OOR or Sr
sand egret
oh, yeah that's another way I guess
digital arrow
learnin something new every day here
sand egret
well I didn't use SR and I can avoid it, so it probably can be dealt with in both ways
wild atlas
Yea
sand egret
stuff like that is my fav part of tanking
my rule of thumb is to always wiggle when I see a mob cast, if they don't move chances are you can dodge it
wild atlas
We had a boomkin use treants on the berserkers or hunter pet taunts
sand egret
treants are a blessing
plain ice
385 chest with brace for impact from the m+ weekly. what a good day 😍
solid bronze
On vacation at the moment, haven't been able to check the news. Any announced changes to prot yet?
delicate prism
Shield Block has been removed and armor increased 3.8%
wild atlas
There was an added Azerite trait for us. Looks solid
Totally subject to change though.
solid bronze
Shield Block has been removed? At this point I might actually believe that...
delicate prism
What stupid trait. Why buff an already strong cooldown?
digital arrow
Fuckin love treants
broken kite
hot locust
except not really
if you are casting 1 whole IP in avatar I have some big worries or your pulls are tiny.
gray river
I miss legion release ignore pain
strong sluice
I have a Gridrunner Galea 370 which i am using for the brace fro impact (i have titans on another piece) just picked up a 385 Greathelm of the putrid path. Which trait is acutally better on it for raids? The Filthy transfusion 8142 siphon per 6secs, or Iron fortress 400 block and 425 dmg on blocks and double on crit blocks? I have read the guides, but they are static, and as we cant sim I am a just checking in with you guys.
solid mist
@hot locust what do you mean?
sand egret
Even if you cast more, it's just 1 less. Ultimately, it just speaks to the QoL of one less button press (and it's a free 40 rage in many cases).
solid mist
wait. I think I misread what was being said. I thought lala was saying like "casting 1 IP during avatar is too many" but was actaully saying "you should be casting more than 1 ip during avatar"
hot locust
I mean it's only 1 IP cast.
solid mist
just a reading comprehension issue
hot locust
yeah
sand egret
yeah it ain't a powerhouse or anything close, it's just one less thing to do within the moment and makes the button press just that much more defensive. Mostly a QoL thing
supple path
It really smooths it out though, can go into avatar -> tclap -> demo -> tclap or whatnot more cleanly.
solid mist
unless you have some IP already and then it overcaps
¯_(ツ)_/¯
good ability design on IP
👏
sick sentinel
where are our buffs daddy
supple path
Effectively lets you reliably pre-cast an IP before the really big packs you're gonna avatar on too.
Seems better for M+ than raids.
oblique cedar
^
solid mist
that's a good point
ivory barn
tank enchant still quick nav?
shut summit
Ye quick nav
cobalt matrix
ivory barn
native monolith
Does 5 ilv still worth changing a Haste > Mastery Gear for a Crit > Versa???
sand egret
Personally I don't really sacrifice ilvl for secondary stats. The main stats/armor are what I'm really into
native monolith
When I drop my Haste, I feel like im using less SB, DS uptime is worse, idk
sand egret
well how much haste we talking about here?
is it one item? I get the feeling this is across multiple items? Yeah, if it's like a majority of the pieces you may want to consider keeping some haste. I like to keep my haste high when I can help it, as I vastly prefer the feel.
ivory barn
prot doesnt suck if you know how to play it. then again its the only tank class ill play because shield
sand egret
(pretty sure that was our daily "prot sucks" troll, fyi)
native monolith
kkkkkk
I do know how to play proper, 1200+ score on io, I just think its kinda boring the iLv over all, Im not too familiar with the theorycraft of prots that sustain that statment
sand egret
well boring is how they want it haha
but I believe it's just that the stats are close enough to each other that the benefits of ilvl (higher str, stam, armor) is what will sway the choice. That being said, if you struggle to enjoy the class due to not having enough haste or what not, then it won't also matter all too much
steel mauve
ya ilvl is still an upgrade, especially on pieces with armor on it
our stats are really close together, and armor is our best defensive stat, and this expansion secondary stats arent as powerful/effective as they were in past expansions
tropic star
so the pins mostly list the defensive warrior only traits in order of usefulness, but how do they compare to the like area specific one off traits? Incite teh pack for example
strong forum
the prot specific ones are simply outweighing non spec specific traits i would always go for those
the only variation of defensive vs offensive traits that are worth it are 2nd tier such as heed my call
yo having 2x impassive visage is insane
strong forum
yea heed my call is sexy
tropic star
heed my call isnt better than azerite veins tho is it?
strong forum
no
sand egret
visually, yes 😃
tropic star
lol
sand egret
i'm all about that thunder baby
strong forum
but i think its better than say the crystalline carapace
also who said warri doesnt have selfheal 😄
tropic star
i find it odd that carapace isnty goof but the gemhide trait t3 is
sand egret
yeah I really wanted to try stacking Visage
strong forum
got giga lucky with azerite, i have probably triple BiS again
sand egret
yeah well this is why I'm actually looking forward to 8.1 in that respect. I like the idea of trying to stack various seemingly mediocre traits
tropic star
thats silly
strong forum
gemhide isnt more armor though
strong forum
crystalline carapace on 370 gives like 120 armor and gemhide 100
wasn it like that?
could be wrong though
sand egret
Avoidance. yum.
tropic star
i was just clikcking around and my 355 CC is 94 armor and 370 Gemhide is 211
which is silly that the ting 3 gives so much more armor
strong forum
ah well my bad then
t3 traits are very fucking strong
much stronger than t2
t3 is the pure defensive tree so it only makes sense imo, its not supposed to be t1 = strongest t2 = medium and t3 = weakest tbh
t1 = class t2= variety and t3= strong defensive
quartz lake
prot tanking on my war is fun & challening, this expansion. I hope they don't do too much rework in 8.1. Playing a prot warrior well takes skill, and when you have a good run, and you get a whisper compliment, it makes it all worth it.
sand egret
I have a feeling they won't do nearly as much as people think. It'll probably feel a bit easier, and I'd imagine they will take steps to decouple a lot of power from certain things and reallocate it (a huge offender being some talents). They've said they want to look at how our rotation flows so I bet we'll see more stuff along the lines of cooldown tweaks, rage changes, or value increases (hitting a button 2x or once for twice the value).
sick sentinel
hope they dont.
old night
hitting zerker rage and having a waterfall of rage was nice
i just hated the combo of t21/20
prisma crane
t21 2p alone was fine by me
sand egret
aite, time to go home and check out my Cache of Disappointment
prisma crane
but the beauty if T20/T21 was how our spec felt like a lot of things played off of each other, something we sorely lack outside of avatar
sand egret
(although last time I got a TF Jes's, so I really can't complain)
old night
@prisma crane eactly
exactly*
it just felt super right and everything felt in place.
now I catch myself every now and then with nothing to do other than spam devastate until I get a proc
it feels like I rev my car engine, go barreling down a street then hit a red light
prisma crane
heh, yea, i enjoyed the game of making my CDs roll faster and faster and have it only feed on itself. Was a spammy shit show but when it worked we were real tanks with great damage and not even as OP as people thought but it felt great regardless.
fringe marten
eesh...first azerite from cache and it's the BP with DPS traits? Bloodsport vs Blood Rite (715 haste for 15 sec proc) ??
hot locust
bloodsport is more consistent but blood rite isnt bad.
fringe marten
I know that's why I'm a bit torn
hot locust
I'd go bloodsport if we're talking pure defensiveness
fringe marten
I work in Ignore pain as I can, which is moderately frequently...but still 715 haste for 15 sec is legit.
mystic trellis
Im so tempted to use 370 Bloodsport, Azerite Veins, Impassive over 340 DC.. How bad would I be
fringe marten
The numbers on azerite traits are 'before' mainstat calculation right? and IP scales off of attack power (ie strength)
Whex you really need DC in your armor setup. It's just too good.
hot locust
the bonuses dont change if you change other gear
mystic trellis
Yeahh.. I just like actually having some heals lol
uneven mason
TFW I get told that they want a druid over a warrior for tanking mythic raiding
mystic trellis
Would double impassive visage be better or 1 visage and 1 gemhide ?
neon tangle
I have one officer that's shittalking prot
but I got promo'd to MT
so there's that
(not that MT really means anything right now...)
sick sentinel
It means u get to play god with the raids live
mystic trellis
Double bloodsport, double azerite veins, double impassive. Juicy 8K HPS on training dummy
Wish I had a DC chest to actually make this work. ugh
scarlet yacht
Anyone got any idea what the best trinkets are for M+?
Running disc of systematic regression and 380 Core-crusted Butcher's Block atm.
chrome falcon
Highest ilvl generally
Yours sound good tbh, I'm running 385 vial of animated blood and 375 butcher's block
Just running highest ilvl stuff to do most dps
scarlet yacht
Really want that juicy animated blood
Isn't the on-use just perfect for deeps with prot war?
void sandal
In general are dps trinkets preferred over defensive ones?
next ermine
As a light forged. Prot AoE is fun
chrome falcon
@void sandal there are 2 defensive trinkets in the game and they're both bad
next ermine
Rezans eye and something like butcher block or howler are preferred
I run a 385 bandages and and 380 syringe cause it's my best options
chrome falcon
"tank trinkets" as a concept no longer exist
hidden grotto
avatar and thunder clap make prot war top dps in packs
chrome falcon
for the most part
steel mauve
blockades is good defensively until like a mythic level eye or some thing, howler is bis and rezans is strong
ancient anchor
Should I lose 171 haste for a 30 ilvl upgrade on a ring?
minor timber
ML last boss the bombers that fly around, how do you tell where the bomb tracks will go? its not just straight in front of them iv checked that
minor timber
ahh ok its about finding teh safe corner, cool ty
next ermine
See what way they're facing and what cornertheyre in. Then estimate about 1/2 - 2/3 of the area they face to be covered in flame
There should always be at least 1 corner safe
minor timber
awesome thankyou
next ermine
Npnp
steel mauve
that trinkets garbage
steel mauve
the heal is extremely low, the damage is less than an auto attack split between enemies
there are way better trinkets with str on them, thats the only benefit you would get out of it
zinc mauve
Playing God is one of the main reasons I play tank
Nothing feels better than holding a bunch of nerds hostage
glossy mountain
Hey guys, new to the discord. I have a question about my azerite gear. I have three 340 pieces with BIS first ring traits, or three 370 pieces with garbage traits on the first ring. Which should I be using?
It seems like I'm losing a boat load of primary stats by using the 340 gear
sick sentinel
https://gyazo.com/1042ca8adb19b33e3af0876555ccf2f0 over 5mins 42 seconds. 😦
steel mauve
only trait to lose ilvl for is DC
sick sentinel
on dungeoneer dummy
glossy mountain
Is it really that powerful?
steel mauve
DC is worth 45 ilvls for the first and only one you need
glossy mountain
Damn
I just switched from dps to prot so I'm trying to figure this all out, thanks for the help
modern brook
For trinkets: 370 Gore-crusted butchers block vs 355 Rezan's eye w/ socket?
either would be paired with darkmoon deck
I missed the names but these are the trinkets w/ numbers
I feel like the answer is Rezan w/ str gemmed
steel mauve
haste gem over str
sick sentinel
never gem str. always haste.
modern brook
got it
I've gotten really luck with my m+ boxes
2nd piece of 385 azerite chest
last week got a 370 shoulder w/ DC
frozen berry
Has blizzard posted anything about upcoming buffs/changes to prot warrior outside of the one new azerite trait?
thorn yarrow
Trust me this discord would be exploding right now if they did
frozen berry
Unfortunately I don’t spend all day monitoring this chat, hence my question.
sick sentinel
Yea but the news tab exists
thorn yarrow
Nah ur good mate wasn't taking a jab
sick sentinel
Just scroll for that day
vagrant cape
"Warriors are fine because all warriors in bfa can create a level 58 death knight at any time." - Blizz probly
thorn yarrow
I mean I comfortably complete 10s with no issue so, I'm happy anything passed that is just wanking points
sick sentinel
I need to a key today, how are the affixs for this week
vagrant cape
Same. I'm eager for the buffs even though I think we're in a fine spot. Anything to make us feel better is just going to be wonderful
sick sentinel
Know griev is 1.3 and not 2 anymore
vagrant cape
They're way worse than last week
thorn yarrow
Last week was the time to ez key
vagrant cape
But not awful I suppose. Sanguine is awful in some dungeons tho
sick sentinel
Nah the week before last was ez
chrome falcon
I hate sanguine more than words can express
It was so easy in Legion
and it's so bad in BFA
Every dungeon feels like BRH
vagrant cape
Yeeeep
chrome falcon
where sanguine was supercancer
sick sentinel
Because adds are more common then legion
uneven mason
Blizzard - Vangard Stance now increases armor by 100% of your strength "We felt that miniscule increases to warriors already huge mitigation versus physical attacks was the way to service the spec best" However, "Heroic throw - removed" we didn't feel that warriors having any sort of aggro generation outside of melee range really fit the theme we were going for.
thorn yarrow
LEL
vagrant cape
Tol dagor, temple, waycrest, and king's rest all feel like ass with sanguine
thorn yarrow
🤔
uneven mason
them tiny corridors
make a macro that says "I"M LOSING THIS BACK, IF YOU GET AGGRO YOU"RE ON YOUR OWN"
sick sentinel
BRH wants to say fuck u
uneven mason
and spam the fuck out of it
vagrant cape
You can bind it to what your heroic throw used to be bound to
uneven mason
^^^
zinc mauve
using a mouseover macro for intercept is the best decision ive made
sick sentinel
intercept your own party.
never run out of rage.
go in between new pack pulls full rage.
zinc mauve
im getting used to intercepting my melee dps for bonus rage
sick sentinel
in raids or mythic+
using thunder clap in between. rage gain faster than the decay.
plain vapor
restive matrix
Just sit there channeling it for 2sec, its super fun
chrome falcon
tbf if you can actually channel it that thing does really good damage right?
zinc mauve
@plain vapor dont feel bad, i got a 385 big red button
i know that feeling
this is mine
chrome falcon
mm i guess fang is actually bad for prot because it does less damage than one thunderclap LOL
zinc mauve
the only good thing about the big red button is that it's instant
chrome falcon
man thunderclap is such a good spell now remember in EN when you literally never pressed it for anything
floral tinsel
Big red button is usable at least. Some ok damage, great for building threat.
cloud edge
ebon hound
there's the one Azerite trait on the ptr.
sick sentinel
plain ice
hmm overwhelming power vs strength in numbers for a 385 piece 🤔
fierce juniper
overwhelming
cinder nova
Raid testing schedule is out before prot changes
This is concerning
Considering they'd probably want most of their class changes in order for the testing
So they can see how they behave in a live fire
candid cove
Nah. We gotta be sleepers. Test the raids and see people not use prot warriors. Raids come out with the last minute knee jerk prot fix that doesn’t get tested. Come live we’re broken for normal/heroic then they nerf us back to nothingness come mythic after the fotm players swap. Cycle of wow life. 😄
chrome falcon
I would be fine with literally 0 buffs in 8.1
As long as we get to split our transmog
On our artifact
We're restricted from using the 2 best shields in the game because they're attached to the 2 worst weapons in the game
chrome falcon
I'm going to use the door when we switch back to devastator
And whenever I shield slam twice in a row with a proc I'm going to shout "KNOCK KNOCK OPEN UP THE DOOR IT'S REAL"
sick sentinel
SS twice in a row is so fucking good man
chrome falcon
It was good when we spent rage on something worth spending it on
Or if shield slam increased SB duration it would also be sick
mossy cloud
Any tips for the room in King's Rest after 1st Boss?
can we kite those mobs all the way back to 1st boss?
or do they reset?
mossy cloud
ok
zinc mauve
almost as bad as the last miniboss, the shadow of zul
on high keys with fortified, use lust on the shadow of zul if you're a warrior tank
zinc mauve
its actually a ranged attack with a shadow damage dot
mossy cloud
dam
ivory barn
youtube dead for anyone else?
chrome falcon
literally every discord i'm in is asking the same question
zinc mauve
its probably a DNS attack
chrome falcon
it has literally been years since youtube just straight up died
ivory barn
thats funny
stoic tiger
here on Brasil Youtube is dead too @ivory barn
ivory barn
did it get DDoSed you thhink?
zinc mauve
you need a pretty gargantuan ddos to knock off youtube; going for a DNS would be easier
split thorn
hi are warrior tanks not as good as other tanks currently? is it worth rerolling to other class such as DK?
chrome falcon
If you have to ask you probably aren't doing content difficult enough to reroll
Basically the only content you need to reroll off prot for is +15 key pushing
split thorn
Okay so itd be wrong to suggest that prot warrs arent viable currently?
zinc mauve
prot warrior is just difficult and punishing to learn
and a lot of the community seems to have a rampant hateboner for us cause 'dk top leaderboard why any other???'
steel mauve
all tanks have killed mythic ghuun so far
and there are a lot of all tank specs half way through, so they are all viable and capable of current content, just working harder than other specs
primal crypt
Forgot how brutal grievous was on my warrior
The nightmares....
Shadow of zul is a pos too
soft kindle
that's just cruel haha
primal crypt
Better little him than me
Had a disc pruest healing KR
Priest
Let me tell you, it does not feel good
digital arrow
lol
primal crypt
He was screaming in terror because everyone had 5 stacks and he couldnt knock off the grievous
steel mauve
fetid?
steel mauve
heroic or mythic?
steel mauve
i havent been there on mythic but for heroic i take almost half the dmg on zek as our brm
granted that was probably one of my best pulls ever with a 71% uptime on demo shout
lyric matrix
is the rule of thumb regarding Deafening Crash still that having it trumps any ilvl upgrade? I've got a 315 piece with DC, a 340 with Iron Fortress, and a 355 with Callous Reprisal... I honestly don't know how to compare them.
steel mauve
use the DC
dont replace DC unless its a 45 ilvl upgrade, and even then thats about bare minimum
DC is just so intricate to our playstyle, i think pure defensively DC is worth 45 ilvls, but i dont think that takes into account the dmg boost from demo shout though
lyric matrix
thanks - just dealing with the typical azerite slot machine woes, haha
I appreciate it!
cinder nova
I game Demo to ensure it lines up with warriors.
Trying to parse for M Zek
It's a fucking ordeal with garbage trinkets
zzz
My best was 14K
And we wiped
@fierce juniper Why do you think Bowlby stacks Mastery?
primal crypt
Mastery scales really well he said
But vers is better currently
Maybe he has enough mastery for it to be decent?
mental scarab
I whould👌🏻
dusky mica
I'd rather keep the vers
sick sentinel
got 3 new 385 raid pieces tonight, belt with socket too. O_O
more haste
still no MOTHER helm.
dusky mica
shit anyway
sick sentinel
its not. BFI helm I need + still ilvl.
get it sooner than a random ass azerite in weekly cache.
sick sentinel
RNG has been around since vanilla. and not the first/laste/only MMO.
ivory barn
can i have mop prot warrior back 😢
soft kindle
I liked Antorus meself
stone crag
ToS and antorus 👍
tiny sphinx
tier21 2 set all the time plz
ivory barn
i want MoP prot because second wind below 35% health gave you 3% health every 4-5 seconds