generally for us anyway, on-use effects are best because our main dps window is Avatar + demo shout anyway
#protection
brazen valley
wow, thanks so much 😄
candid vine
Is there a minimum haste % to shoot for?
cinder pasture
Nope, generally just get as much as possible without sacrificing ilvl
candid vine
Ok so ilvl > haste, just confirming
junior ivy
thankls, it replaced a 340 version of same one
fair crystal
Noice man
obtuse venture
hey can i get that?
spark forge
Hey can I get that? I need that can I get it?
dark lark
HEK HEK
sick sentinel
yay 360 DC shoulders
and x3 resounding protection now
I use 385 doom's fury 370 rezans @zinc mauve
zinc mauve
wtf capslock? seems good
sick sentinel
really good for mythic+ yeah.
sick sentinel
that additional haste boost procc on occasion always good for faster recharges on the go.
and big crit big parry12.5%-3%
obtuse venture
i run blightborne infusion on my chest instead of calous reprisal for the parry and dps boost in m+. goes from 8% parry to like 20% seems to be more useful than 1.5 dr if i even have the gcds for revenge.
raven kernel
grats
cinder nova
Now I just need decent trinkets and a better shield
raven kernel
im still on 360 dc 😦
sick sentinel
Dread Gladiator's Plate Shoulders really good DC and rings.
obtuse venture
same still on the pvp DC shoulders. GL to everyone tomorrow on their caches. pls bless me with your massive rng cock pls jesus
sick sentinel
I was on 345's before. 😛
355/360 now.
still solid
tbh idk of anything I'd need from the chest. another 385 azerite of a different kind would be nice.
its been really good to me past 2 weeks.
outer dew
Anyone try DH Tanking?
sick sentinel
@outer dew it's still good
obtuse venture
zinc mauve
56 minutes
orchid sand
zinc mauve
i got nothin against the time, just gotta find the TIME to listen to it
modest wedge
do 2x
zinc mauve
not a bad idea
flint prism
Still waitin for the 380 shield
zinc mauve
shields are a myth to all except shamans
fathom marten
Shit
Just seen the avatar change
What I miss? I don't have my gaming computer because I'm moving back to the states so I shipped it there ahead of time. lol.
zinc mauve
what avatar change
you referring to the azerite trait?
atleast i thought it was an azerite trait
fathom marten
And the taunt change
Oppressor Intimidates the You focus the assault on this target, increasing their damage taken by 3% for 6 sec. Each unique player that attacks the target increases the damage taken by an additional 3%, stacking up to 5 times. Your melee attacks refresh the duration of Intimidated Focused Assault. PvP Talent. PvP Talent. 10 yd range. Instant. 20 sec cooldown. Requires Warrior. Requires level 40+.
zinc mauve
thats a PVP talent
its been in the game forever
they were just changing the wording
fathom marten
mother fucker
fathom marten
Well, It's good in the sense that we bring more to mythic+ imo
zinc mauve
well it would be yes, but... its a pvp talent; unless you were considering the possibilities if it were just a flat addition to the skill for pve
someone else suggested making taunt force ranged targets or casters to run in and smack you instead
fathom marten
Bastion of Might (New) Avatar increases your Mastery by 259 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain. Totally ignored the Bastion of Might thing
Oh shit that would be really awesome
zinc mauve
if it is in addition to our current talents, i dont think it's too great, but my friends suggested it would be contained in the additonal azerite ring being added in 8.1
the problem with the IP stack is that you would usually be using IP before even jumping in, or immediately when you get into combat
it'd probably get chewed off by a group in a second or two
it's a good addition nonetheless and its nice to see they are considering some of our problems at least
fathom marten
Yeah I agree. I wasn't trying to make it seem I was happy with these changes or additions, just good to see they are actually doing something.
Ahhh
It's an azerite power
trait
brazen sequoia
390 "Servant Splitter"axe from Waycrest, is it even worth it over my 360 weapon with secondary stats? This only has stamina/str and a proc
lavish oracle
No secondaries, though
fathom marten
the stam and str increase would make up for the secondary's I'm betting.
lavish oracle
The PPM on the weapon effect is really low, from what I hear, too
zinc mauve
yeah its proc rate is terrible
fathom marten
Specially since there's no caps really to hit anymore. /shrug
sick sentinel
If it ain't a shield upgrade, then fuck it
zinc mauve
check how your IP stack is affected since your str decreases
cast ip with it and without it and see if theres a difference
and also figure out how much hp you lose
brazen sequoia
ah ok
fathom marten
What is the secondary stat fern?
lavish oracle
Oh hey, wait scrolling up a little, did they announce the 8.1 changes?
lavish oracle
Or just that trait?
fathom marten
Just that trait
zinc mauve
@lavish oracle just one trait
fathom marten
lavish oracle
How's it gonna stack up with the other traits do you think?
fathom marten
Like Ama said
zinc mauve
well it depends, is it on the new outer wheel or on our current wheel?
if its on our current wheel its like DC, you get one of it and then nothing more because of the effect
brazen sequoia
gives me 2,5k total HP and 1300 bonus to IP
fathom marten
Even if the other traits are bad, IP doesn't stack high and using ava irregularly because of the CD is a meh.
bruh
switch it out
zinc mauve
@brazen sequoia maxed stack of IP or just 1 cast?
zinc mauve
did you cast IP twice or once, thats what i meant, sorry
fathom marten
There's no way any secondary stat will be high enough to compete with that. 2.5 extra health plus a 1300 IP.
zinc mauve
the proc rate can be ignored
the only thing id check is just to see if TC damage is affected much
raven kernel
what 2.5 extra health
fathom marten
Now if we were talking about stat caps, diffrent story but since we don't hit any
brazen sequoia
well tbh I didn't cast, I just checked the tooltip
fathom marten
Why worry about the dmg?
brazen sequoia
250dmg increase
zinc mauve
@fathom marten me like big numbers
fathom marten
lol
zinc mauve
id use the old one, servant splitter sucks
zinc mauve
what a stupid item
fathom marten
What ?? It's not worthless, his stat weapon will not compete with that 30 ilvl stam and strength increase
@brazen sequoia what second stats you ahve on the other wep?
raven kernel
oh does the thing have str and stam
brazen sequoia
Crit/Vers
fathom marten
Oh god
zinc mauve
AHAHAHAHA
fathom marten
Get rid of it
brazen sequoia
ikr
zinc mauve
im retarded
fathom marten
@brazen sequoia take the 390
zinc mauve
i thought it lacked the mainstat too
brazen sequoia
it's the freehold one I had 😛
raven kernel
i've never cared about that weap lmao
i set lootspec to arms for waycrest so i dont get it
i only want the trinket from that place
fathom marten
It is a stupid wep
brazen sequoia
xD
lavish oracle
Of all the things to get a 390 on, lol
fathom marten
But 30 ilvl increase. It'll just be better purely because of main stat wise
And crit/vers sucks
obsidian gate
anyone in bris area wanna level a allied dwarf with me? 😛
raven kernel
hmm bastion of might is 520 mastery at 385 ilvl
is this thing on the new outer-outer ring ?
brazen sequoia
What about Lingering SPorepods 385? worth anything?
sick sentinel
It's ok
oblique garnet
What kind of fucking joke is 340 ring from emissary
sick sentinel
Also Bastion is the new trait right? That's gonna be our best trait when it comes out
Esp with DC
oblique garnet
probably
sick sentinel
No it will
A free IP, mastery and enforces the use of our cd
Comboed with DC it's going to take another trait a lot to make us not want ot
static lance
dislike the fact that so many things are tied to Avatar.
oblique garnet
We still dont know what they will change when the new trait comes
sick sentinel
Honestly that's what all tanks are waiting for
But based on what we have right now, ud be a fool to not get BoM
oblique garnet
True
I have to do 10 m0 on my monk with full leather group today so i can get some gear for it zzz
sick sentinel
I need to level one of my 11 other toons to 120 so I can do that lol
Only my warrior is at 120
oblique garnet
i currently have 6 at 120 XD
sick sentinel
Crazy thing is, usually I do everything on my feral first then my warrior and slowly everyone else
oblique garnet
i usually dont level alts that much but with the way bfa is i ran out of content so fast i had nothing else to do
fathom marten
My BM is so easy to tank with
The only problem I ever feel like I come into is AOE aggro.
threat
oblique garnet
oh yeah its a joke how easy monk is
fathom marten
They could at least tell us what they see as a problem for prot war's and what they have in mind to help fix the problem they see. Instead of Ion broadly describing tank vision and goes on about how the monk discussions of how they should us ISB and Pur and the punishing difference it could make not using the correct one at the correct time.
It was like a complete middle finger to us considering monks have it 100 X easier then us to keep up there AM(Can attest to this, have a BM myself). He totally ignored the biggest fattest elephant in the room and I normally think Ion gets a little to much hate but man that made me even sit back and think to myself, "how stupid does he really think I am?". Idk. Should try to stay optimistic.
raven kernel
my disc hates bm lol
she prefers to heal me over brews
she says brews are like you heal and heal and heal and heal but the hp doesnt go up
context is M+ pulls
oblique garnet
True
fathom marten
Well
oblique garnet
brewmasters dont have that strong magic damage reduction
fathom marten
For disc yeah I can see the problem there when healing stagger tanks
oblique garnet
And in every dungeon there are multiple magic damage abilities
raven kernel
my disc has to prepare a monk alt for next tier potentially and asked me to play my dh alt to gear together
fathom marten
Most of our damage reduction is based on us Purifying
raven kernel
im looking at the venge reddit thread and i see things like
fathom marten
And you don't pur as much as you'd think
raven kernel
Defensively in Mythic Plus we have “enough” survival with kiting, but are on the weaker side survival wise.
Not having much control over our health. Once Demon Spikes falls, its kite until you have another charge up or your group stuns the enemies.
jesus id much rather be prot
raven kernel
i dunno man i'm studying venge now
but i played my dh alt in M0s at start of bfa
didnt really enjoy it at all
sick sentinel
Well VDH is just a really boring tank to play also
raven kernel
i dont feel handicapped as prot at all
fathom marten
Eh monk is far more boring
raven kernel
and yes venge is boring
fathom marten
imo
raven kernel
its almost bear
sick sentinel
Nothing will be werebear boring
oblique garnet
Rei id recommend watching Shakib stream
they are doing 17+ dungeons etc constantly
The Dh hardly requires heals
sick sentinel
And the only tank close to our damage
raven kernel
oblique garnet
fathom marten
Yeah Rei, DH's are doing crazy stuff in m+
You have to take reddit with grainS of salt
raven kernel
ill take a look
fathom marten
They complain about the craziest stuff honestly
oblique garnet
He just switched to dk tho not sure if he will change back to DH after this dungeon
raven kernel
i mean i'm super happy on warrior
fathom marten
It's a sucky situation because you can't say they need a buffi f there topping m+ charts
raven kernel
im not a high key pusher but i can do 13s comfortably and 14s just in time
fathom marten
but are like a wet paper bag in heroic uld
raven kernel
as prot
fathom marten
I'm not a high m+ either
I've done like a few 10s
I just don't like pugging them.
raven kernel
id like to push higher but i pretty much only do M+ on saturdays
oblique garnet
Idk we have prot warrior and dh on our progress raid and the dh hardly takes more damage than i do
fathom marten
Just yesteraday I was questioned if I could do a 11 since I"ve only done a 10. The guy seemed like really informed and reactive, but we wiped on the first boss of ToS because he didn't move out of the dash
sick sentinel
But don't u like blaming people for their mistakes and calling them farrtkn0ckers
fathom marten
Happend twice
THen was like lets decrease it
I'm like bro we could do this but you need to watch for the dash
10 didn't go well for the same problem
sick sentinel
Dude don't remind of tos, did one yesterday, I was ahead of two DPS on the first boss
sick sentinel
I'm like fucking what is this
raven kernel
just watched Shakib stand in 2 volcanics
sick sentinel
We can do the bosses but the 3rd is a pure dps check
raven kernel
XD
fathom marten
I'm 267 ilvl. My upgrade will be a 370 for the week. Sucks.
onyx vessel
267 damn
zinc mauve
wtf 267?
oblique garnet
you mean 367?
sick sentinel
Damn fucking crazy man over here doing +10 at 267
fathom marten
shut up
sick sentinel
Lol
zinc mauve
literal legend
fathom marten
You guys are bullies
oblique garnet
Feelsbadman did all the arathi quests and rares got 2x 340 cape nothing else
sick sentinel
Got two boots from the actual quest and a drop
Both 340
Ugh, I wanna level my druid cause the trinkets they need is good for aoe and ST but at the same time I need to get a leather group together to funnel me shit
Just wish feral druids could dual wield daggers and fist weapons
But at the same time I dont want that
oblique garnet
Leather groups are probably the easiest to make rn
sick sentinel
Yeah but I want everything, for me
oblique garnet
same
sick sentinel
I'm just happy I have our two bis rings
Now I can focus on getting Omega haste on everything else
zinc mauve
can you get trinkets from the weekly chest?
oblique garnet
Yes you can get anything from weekly chests
Except shoulders with deafening crash
oblique garnet
Hey man it took me nearly 2 months just to get the 340 ones from ToS
And even then i had to stack my group with 5 plates because it didnt drop for me
sick sentinel
Jesus fuck really? I got it I think like my first time
I'd have to check but I don't think I had to go out and farm it
chilly brook
happy boi
got 370 shoulders outta the cache with DC so I can finally retire my 340 helmet
chilly brook
Although it was only a slight bump, went from 340 to 355
zinc mauve
what i havent mentioned though, i was stuck with a 340 shield until my guild was halfway through clearing heroic uldir
chilly brook
Guess I'm just gonna bonus roll for the helmet for Mythic Mother
zinc mauve
only on our 2nd vectis kill did i finally get a 370 vector deflector
chilly brook
Yea I know that feeling
zinc mauve
...not before the shaman got it of course
chilly brook
was stuck with a 355 shield from mythic plus for a long time
Don't get me started lol
zinc mauve
when i was just getting 340s, the shield was the last thing i got
chilly brook
We had a shaman get a 385 vector deflector and he plays enhance
zinc mauve
before that i was stuck with a 300 ilvl shield
zinc mauve
nani the fuck
zinc mauve
i would have broken shit
zinc mauve
deflecting tears
sick sentinel
I'd like if blizzard could you know, front load us with more azerite caches
Gone through 23 emissary and only 1 azerite cachce since the change
Need that dunecrawler
370 and that temple 385
sick sentinel
I hope u both get reinforced plate 355 from ur weekly tommorow
chilly brook
I get to sandbag ilvl for haste
So that I can make sure that I’m getting haste from Reorigination array
What a silly trait
Literally have to have a completely separate gear setup to guarantee that I get haste
sick sentinel
Yeah our priest had to swap out some high ilvl gear for the RA
prisma night
I just reforge the mother helm to get array or go bfi if im doing m+
sick sentinel
So he can get haste over crit
chilly brook
@sick sentinel I was telling myself I’ll probably get 385 shoulders that I won’t be able to use because they won’t have DC and I don’t have another helmet that’s higher ilvl with it
@prisma night too expensif
leaden kernel
would yous know which spec doesnt have haste in its top two secondary stats
prisma night
Or were you saying you had to sandbag to get your haste to be highest so array would give haste?
prisma night
Oh that sucksss
chilly brook
~ 1100 crit
leaden kernel
when im playing arms i use dooms fury which bumps crit as my main stat instead of haste, making a godlike cooldown burst into an alright one
lusty grotto
jesus christ lol griff
chilly brook
ITF has no affect on your numerical values
lusty grotto
oh right
chilly brook
But yea, ~1100 crit and only like ~900 haste
chilly brook
Plus I’m running a syringe so even more crit
sick sentinel
@leaden kernel of the top of my head I think all classes depend on haste esp since it influences the gcd making it matter more
prisma night
Does array update as flucuations from procs come in? So if you got a crit proc that put your crit higher than haste would array give crit for the duration that its higher?
lavish oracle
I think mistweaver doesn't need haste at all for raid heals
chilly brook
I mean tbh I’d probably be doing mad damage with a crit array @prisma night
Yes it does
prisma night
Damn
chilly brook
At least from what I’ve been told
prisma night
Monks dont like haste, but havent checked since bfa launch
leaden kernel
in legion it was because 11% i think made them gcd locked
sick sentinel
Monks don't like anything that doesn't have to do with drinking
lavish oracle
I've heard no haste for raid healing, all the haste they can get for dungeons
prisma night
Ww hated it in legion. Brew you could go as low as 5% and be fine
Probably lower even
sick sentinel
Wasn't it like 3%
Because ud fuck up like keg throw or some shit because of some talent
prisma night
Anywhere below 11 was good. After that it was preference
sick sentinel
Ah ok, cause I remember guildies telling me brm having more than 1% haste was bad
prisma night
Wasnt quite that hyperbolic but it was the least desired stat
sick sentinel
No I'm not joking with that sadly
outer dew
I mean
sick sentinel
Someone actually told me that
prisma night
Good to know
sick sentinel
The only reason I even want to play brew is because it lets me play a class that drinks since I don't drink irl
prisma night
You could drink irl probably afk too and still be a good brew
chilly brook
14.7% to be exact
sick sentinel
I just want a CD that BrM just plant their ass on the ground and drink and take reduced damaged, a channelled defense
prisma night
So old zen med
lusty grotto
uhhh...
sick sentinel
I guess sure but more so the animation and less the actual skill
prisma night
Ah
sick sentinel
Where u it's the old zen but just a big fucking barrel and them going to town with it
And sitting down while at it
And u can't move
Ur committed
Every drop
weary nacelle
What do you guys think about this?
sick sentinel
It's really good but we are waiting for the changes to make final judgment since we don't know what's gonna happen to us or any tanks in general
gray wolf
still need to see new mastery before anything can be said for certain
raven kernel
its on the new outer ring right
it scales up to like 520 mastery for 385 azerite
would be very very poggers if you can somehow stack 3 of those
would def run 3x for M+
it might push our avatar to OP nerfbat needed levels
leaden kernel
its super nice, could be really good if they change our mastery to be more directly tied to ignore pain
fossil basalt
When we will see change ?
obtuse venture
i hope RNGSanta gives me a 385 DC azerite shoulders
IP cant stack because it has a pretty low cap. unless they change that
fair crystal
yeah thats what i was thinking pretty sure shit like that dont stack anyways but the stacking mastery alone sounds pretty good
obtuse venture
my IP caps at 40k and 1 IP gives me around 30k so imagine stacking 3 would be useless
fair crystal
yeah mines like 42k or so
obtuse venture
but i guess if its the only good trait then we'll be stacking it anyway
amber siren
IP caps at 1.3
sick sentinel
It might just be DC 2.0, just 1 of it and ur good to get 2 other outter
Would be funny if it was on the same piece with DC
leaden kernel
i wouldnt mind getting one of each, maye we can get a third one point wonder trait
obtuse venture
third wonder trait that is also tied to avatar
sick sentinel
I already have the proper sound gif ready for tomorrow if I get my 385 shoulder
But I'm saving it until I get my 370 dunecrawler
obtuse venture
avatar now makes you unkillable god beast but you are pacified when avatar ends until you can pop avatar again
delicate bone
i'm more interested in a 380 Atal'Dazar Shield 😄
past ledge
Man, zekvoz mythic progress with the guild was messed up lol, we cant get over the second wave of adds for some reason
obtuse venture
do you think it'd be a bigger upgrade to go from a 370 to 380 shield or a 360 azerite shoulder to a 385 azerite shoulder. cause i know shields are a big deal for us
delicate bone
@past ledge dps-avg?
past ledge
Ppl dying of mechanics overlap
sick sentinel
@obtuse venture shoulders with DC bigger upgrade than a 10 Ilvl increase shield
past ledge
I think i was the least dps as tank with around 14k overall
delicate bone
@obtuse venture i already have 385-370-375. But the dmg-reduction from a +10ilvl Shield is huge
past ledge
I think most were around 16-19k im not sure i dont really remember exactly
delicate bone
hm. sounds enough
sick sentinel
Need to be 17k, sounds like u need to lather and salt the dps wiping belt for ur raid team
delicate bone
a 385 shield givers you around 45% reduction
amber siren
Shield probably
past ledge
It always goes like this, when donuts come with the second wave there is always ppl freaking out and dying
Always one or two dead by then
Not sure if from beam or donuts
sick sentinel
Prob beam
past ledge
Since adds are chain stunned
sick sentinel
But u can check logs
I know in heroic for a period my team was panicking when beam happens almost right after donut so it caused several wipes for us
delicate bone
freaking out is the main Problem. We wiped like 20 Times at Ghuun-HC in p3. Next week everyone knows what is going to happend and we did it in 2 trys
So, how many IDs did you try?
sick sentinel
We got our hc ghuun down today but just barely
Last pull for the night 5 people left alive by 3%
Always the last pull that works
delicate bone
dude, 18 Wipes is nothing for mythic progress >D
past ledge
Second wave we tried to have ring of peace
Always failed
Add go around lol
Like there is no ring
tulip pond
Do you have a blood DK?
past ledge
Yes
We mass grip, stunn and nuke
But because everything overlaps second wave we tried having ring to delay add of coming
delicate bone
did every DD specs to AoE?
tulip pond
If the adds are going around the RoP it means that people arent stacking properly
sick sentinel
^
People moving make rop useless since adds "fixate"
I'm assuming u tried if u have 1 but having a shaman throw a stun totem
Then follow with RoP
sick sentinel
Or if u have a lock with their for stun
tulip pond
We do mass grip followed by RoP immediately to get a small distance gap between stacking group while keeping the adds clumped
Then just typhoons, stuns etc
past ledge
It keeps going like that until p2 right?
tulip pond
Iirc only 2nd adds overlap with the rings right?
sick sentinel
I think after first they all do
past ledge
I think so, never went after second wave lol
past ledge
Did we do the right decision going to zekvoz instead of the other bosses?
sick sentinel
More of a group choice really
past ledge
Interms of overall difficulty
tulip pond
We're progressing on Fetid atm and I'd say Zek'voz is definitely easier than Vectis and Fetid
Once you get into the P2 you pretty much have it in the bag
sick sentinel
Unless people freak out with rolling
It's a god damn 300 year long debuff but people freak out because it can happen during donuts
past ledge
How many healers u go with for zek?
tulip pond
We had 5 on first kill(s) but now we go with 4
That one extra dps can help a lot on squeezing the boss into p2 before a set of new adds that we had problems with
dapper kayak
Can you explain how to make huge dps in raid on boss, I think solo target dps of prot warrior is low
past ledge
Man zek is gona take a looong time to kill with my guild lol
tulip pond
Get those few nasty ability overlaps sorted and you should have it
past ledge
Yeah i think we need more uptime with the boss
boreal haven
Played first Time Prot a little bit in M+.... What are your Meanings about IP... it felt weard to me tbh
modest wedge
IP is on GCD which makes it iffy
tulip pond
Its low maximum cap is more infuriating tbh
tall wadi
the cap being low is mostly only relevant if the content is already trivial
obtuse venture
low cap also makes dumping rage feel kinda bad. if theres 6 mobs on me i wanna double tap IP and not have it cap at
Just been reading the DK feedback thread on reddit. the very top post BDKs are complaining about grip being on gcd. BDKs are so spoiled with riches that their only complain is that an extremely powerful utility tool is on the GCD while we are still trying to get our basic active mitigation off the gcd.
just end me
tall wadi
your basic active mitigation is shield block though
obtuse venture
IP is too. SB and IP working together is our basic active mitigation kit.
fickle geyser
yes, if IP was working
obtuse venture
but because they've mauled IP to fucking death we only got half our kit working
fickle geyser
prot went from most enjoyable spec to worst overnight when prepatch came
cosmic pasture
indeed, thing is prot didn't have IP until into what blizzard called the "beta"#
just feels everything in BFA has been rushed for a deadline instead of balanced and actual thought going into it
obtuse venture
We had a nice IP since MoP. they took it out because they wanted to redesign it but couldnt think of anything so they gave it back to us. But when we got it back it was all fucked up like someone had run it over with a truck
cosmic pasture
what did you guys think of banners?
fickle geyser
it was ok at the time, wouldnt fit the game nowdays
back then every class had many raidwide cds
obtuse venture
give us a bres. bresses are so important in m+ it wouldnt be OP to have more classes with it
cosmic pasture
reason i'm asking is, one idea give warriors utility over buffing values and what not. Ease of life over being OP... Mocking Banner, a run speed banner, magic mitigation banner
errant wing
or like a shield wall banner, raid wide 20% dr
cosmic pasture
doesn't suit warriors to have a brez though, what do we shout at people to come back to life? haha
fickle geyser
they need to fix the basics, not add more stuff
obtuse venture
hulk shouted at ironman to being him back to life
fickle geyser
like it would be nice to play the spec that doesnt make u want to commit suicide after 5mins
numbers tuning is easy if the spec works
cosmic pasture
lol, whilst in avatar form you can shout at an ally, scaring them back to life with 10% hp
errant wing
or whilst in avatar siphon 5% hp from all party memebers upto 5 every 3sec
sick sentinel
In Payday 2 you can literally shout "get the fuck up" and revive a squad member
sick sentinel
Whatever change they have planned for warriors has to be meaningful, a lot of fingers are pointing at IP and if they don't address that then whatever they plan on doing has to be worth if they are going to overlook IP
tulip pond
Revert to 5.4 or WoD prot and tune SBarrier accordingly and I'll be happy
sick sentinel
Honestly I want my rage dump IP back from legion
All I could ask for
20 rage for wet paper IP or 60 for big boy IP
I'm already capping near rage at all times
Esp with bolster basically existing shield blocking has become a non-issue
past ledge
I have a general question, i never played any other class than warrior, played all 3 speccs thou. Is warrior tank really THAT hard/bad ? are other tanks really THAT easy like what people are saying? I mean im having trouble tanking anything above 10+ M but my friend who admits that im more skilled and geared says that he tanks higher keys very easy that it makes him laugh sometimes
Are we THAT bad as tanks?
raven kernel
no
sick sentinel
We aren't but people think we are
raven kernel
if you are actually good at prot it will be very very obvious to the people around you
sick sentinel
You can ask countless prots who(myself included) get rejected from even sub 10 keys because we are bad tanks
I have a near 1k io as prot
sick sentinel
I live for tanking in m+ but fuck u for playing prot
sick sentinel
Not 1 group I've been can't comment on me being prot warrior
past ledge
Its always like that about the comments
But the thing is
Is it easier to play other tanks?
raven kernel
pugging as prot is horrible yeah cos of community perception
tulip pond
BrM is just so forgiving
sick sentinel
I mean look at blood dks, not depending on a healer to always be on u is the biggest + they have
Esp in raiding where more focus can be on the raid
So u take just that + they have and see how far people run with it
But, I tanked the entire room of manor's fat boss at +12 no problem (well except I did not see an infested mob BECAUSE IT WAS NOT RED) so it was useless but still, whole room, was fine
And in raids our healing required is the same or lower than other tanks
raven kernel
we aren't high healing required at all lol
sick sentinel
Ur right, but are the people looking at logs to see that
Or are they looking at face value
@sick sentinel we just do not want the devs to see that we are fine so they buff us a lot
If they buff us to being the best, Hello to you fotm fuckers I hope u choke on ur shield
But more seriously, im more hoping for tunning more than buffs
But I know we will not not get a buff
We know FOR SURE that dks and BrMs are getting tuned down
Because they said that both of them are way too tanky
inner trail
it is much, much easier and safer to tank on a bdk than on prot atm
sick sentinel
So that will leave us at the top of the food chain anyway
tulip pond
I'm looking forward for the rotational changes they mentioned about
inner trail
from someone who tried both now
sick sentinel
The fuck lol
tulip pond
More than the actual buffs tbh
sick sentinel
Too tanky
Yeah the rotation change is we thundeclap
We guardian druids now
Remove everything, just Thunderclap to win
I do wonder tho, maybe they can either give us a new rage dumper in the form of our legion bracers or guards frenzy
An IP+SB is 70 rage so that's a 7% heal
Idk about that tbh
We are either not taking any damage or our whole healthpool in 2 hits
Or they can just bring back vengeance
Like I tanked a +11 pack after a boss reset with only a dps alive and azerite veins was healing more than the damage I was tanking
And stop being such cowards
inner trail
need more shield block uptime no reason for it to be so low when other tanks have near 100% on their mitigation
sick sentinel
Well shield bloock uptime is the same just the bae CD is not 15 anymore
inner trail
and ip off gcd obviously
tulip pond
24/7 SB would be op af
sick sentinel
10-12 recharge time is near nonstop SB
Doesn't even factor in bolster LS
Which lasts 15
So 2 more charges by the time it finishes
tulip pond
Just transition some of the power from our CDs into baseline DR because without CDs prot is just wet paper while monks can tank Fetid without using their active mitigation at all lol
inner trail
SB uptime is way less than legion though
sick sentinel
I mean I guess? I'm at 12 seconds with my haste ATM and I'm not having trouble
Make AM affect SB kappa
At worse I fuck up and don't have rage to SB
No for real now, 3sb then ls then 3sb again
But that's on me and being stupid with my rage use
How long is that
18s
inner trail
not sure what you mean by not having trouble, prot warriors need an easier time maintaining mitigation imo to allow more room for error
we're not talking about individual player skill
sick sentinel
Again I guess? Ur going to have a harder time with DM if ur haste is not at the right amount
inner trail
even if you now have no issue you would be able to overlap it with some other defensive cd's after a buff for an even easier time
sick sentinel
51 seconds of straight blocking
And that's on a 10 or 12sec recharge?
Then you SW then you SB again once
65 sec Active Mitigation
What do you do then?
Hc leap I guess
With shield block, what the recharge timer ur basing it on
12-13 sec
Ok
rocky tiger
well, realistically, when's the last time you needed to tank something that hit hard enough to worry about AM for a minute straight with no breaks?
but., I say that as someone who hates the current playstyle. doesn't leave you with a lot of options for real oh shit moments.
sick sentinel
The pack after the one min fight where I had no CDs up because I used a 4 min CD on trash
That's how I go through things now though, big pull then small pull to let cds recharge then big pull again
inner trail
realistically in high keys you need it up constantly
rocky tiger
fair enough. I haven't done high keys on my warrior this xpac. been monking it up to get us through stuff a bit easier
inner trail
the uptime is like 20% lower than legion and I don't think there is a justification for that is my point
sick sentinel
I only have a warrior at 120 because I played every 110 class I had and I found fury the most fun
Playing prot because my guild ended up with 1 tank when we had 4 volunteers
rocky tiger
The uptime and self management for monks is stupidly high at the moment but I hope blizz don't go 'hey, let's wreck the high performers and leave the low ones in a shit state'
cos you know... blizz
sick sentinel
They will tune monks and dks down so be ready
rocky tiger
sadly. That's why I've got my warrior happening again
I was warrior from vanilla up till this xpac. made me sad to switch so I'm hoping they improve things
sick sentinel
thats all they have to do tbh.
Don't be because several hotfixes and a patch after this will see u probably drop it again
bring monks/DKS down in line, leave the rest as is.
No u gotta buff em to shot em down later
Let the stab in the back feel more worse
druid, maybe. prot warr/pall, vdh, nah.
inner trail
they nerfed the brokenly OP prot pretty fast but left guardian at the top for quite a while in last xpac, so if going by that logic they will nerf BDK hard and leave BrM alone
sick sentinel
Equipping a shield in your main hand a s well halves your Shieldblock cooldown
rocky tiger
So what would you do to fix prot? (anyone). The spec is pretty well locked, if you spec anything else you're asking to die
inner trail
make indomitable 50% health
sick sentinel
Introduce a better mastery
nothing.
Ravager 70% parry chance increase
Omegalul
amber siren
obtuse venture
Mastery should be spell block. spell damage taken is reduced by your block %
clear sapphire
How about giving us some kind of ability(s) that can be used to protect our allies (as the flavor text they like to use with Prot warriors says)
inner trail
add 
back to the game
old zephyr
Change talents row to break the synergies that lock everything and give overall buff
inner trail
we do have intercept talent which is quite good, could be stronger tho
amber siren
Higher AM uptime really is the core issue with our defensive lineup, everything else is just fluff
inner trail
like if they buff it so that the target also receives reduced damage for some time that would give people a reason to bring prot as offtank more often
inner trail
yeah there is not really a good use for it right now unfortunately
like if you do it on fetid you will just die yourself lol
rocky tiger
I'd like to see it be Intervene: Provides a shield worth (IP value) to the target and 50% to the warrior.
That would give me more reason to intervene the MT
sick sentinel
Wasn't intervene a thing for us before I think mop?
clear sapphire
We already have tanks with ability to control mobs. Why not let Prot wars have ability to produce a shield like effect (like skovald fight) to reduce dmg,may be good for some raid dmg.
amber siren
@clear sapphire paladins already have that, it's bad
old zephyr
Inspiring présence
inner trail
or maybe add an aura to the whole raid that heals them 🤔
old zephyr
But keyed of warrior Damage and not raid Damage
amber siren
Oh yeah I forgot about inspiring presence
rocky tiger
bring back sunder = makes us competitive with BrM for raid buff at least
sunder on devastate would give me a reason to cast it
rocky tiger
ehhh. BrM already has the 10% damage buff to melee and that doesn't make them mandatory
amber siren
I don't think sunder does what you think it does
rocky tiger
eh, I didn't mean bring it back in its old form
amber siren
Armour penetration is fucked
rocky tiger
in its old form it would be OP
but give devastate the ability to apply a buff for melee damage
and give me a reason to want to revenge on single target for DR - maybe make revenge increase IP duration, or amount. Not cost, we did that game already and it wasn't great
inner trail
"One of those incoming changes for example is that we're reducing the runic power cost for Death Strike in 8.1 and increasing its healing for Unholy and Frost." nvm they are buffing bdk instead 🤔
fierce halo
I think those death strike changes are only for dps dks
amber siren
"Changes on the PTR for Death Knights in regards to PVP is not yet complete. More changes for Unholy and Frost are on the way and we hope to share those with you guys soon.
One of those incoming changes for example is that we're reducing the runic power cost for Death Strike in 8.1 and increasing its healing for Unholy and Frost."
In a PVP context as well
So I mean
Lets not get upset over everything
keen steppe
Hiho 😄
ember arrow
i love how skyhold is hating on bdks, while acherus hopes prot gets better
just a fun difference in perception
jagged bay
hi
hasty crypt
Quick question; Its not worth replacing my only piece with Deafening Crash for 15 ilvls right?
jagged bay
no its not worth to
gray parrot
yall see the video of the prot war downing ghuun?
icy trench
I see a lot of prot warriors running uldir.. is there a guide to their madness that perhaps I could look off?
vocal nimbus
steel mauve
It was much easier when we downcut
gray parrot
yea we had to make cuts too
steel mauve
Ghuun was hell at 26 people, the dmg i took dropped exponentially at 20
cinder pasture
So I take it my guild made the right decision of going to mythic taloc after our firs mythrax he kill ? 😄
tulip pond
Yea M Taloc is a loot pinata
steel mauve
Like i was getting fucked sideways, we dropped 6 people and i didnt even notice taking dmg
gray parrot
it was really good for morale that we downed H Ghuun
we spent 2 full raid nights on just him
steel mauve
Mythic taloc and mother are easier than heroic ghuun
gray parrot
beating our heads against a wall
yea the biggest thing for us was ensuring we had our top DPSers there and our top healer
we were missing our best DPS and our top healer night 1
steel mauve
Took 1 night for us, struggling to get to p3 and seen it a couple times, killed it the attempt we downgraded, numbers are not fun for a higher person group
gray parrot
night 2 had both and he dropped in 6 pulls
steel mauve
Idk why the tuning is that bad for him
steel mauve
Mother is just about getting to the third room alive and she basically dies
limber wigeon
Uldir had a lot of tuning issues for groups over 20, especially in the first week or two.
gray parrot
we start Mythic tomorrow night
what sucks is my shield...and i dunno that we will be going back to Heroic this week
and I FEAR attempting to pug it
jagged bay
dont be feared you are good!
signal plover
Ya, zerk rage breaks fear :)
frigid spire
Are prot warriors good in high end raiding?
gray parrot
define "good"
it is possible to tank high end raids as a prot warrior
but it is easier to tank high end raids as other spec/classes
frigid spire
I want to main my prot warriors over my monk
gray parrot
my main is a prot warrior
oblique garnet
Same
And i have 2 alts for each role
Its too much fun to play compared to other tanks
Also octane were you running the orbs on ghuun hc in p1?
gray parrot
yes
I am usually the 2nd group to go
our DK tank handles the tanking while I run the orb
oblique garnet
Ah we did it so that both of our tanks soloed one side in p1 since theres no need for 2 tanks in there
Dh being the other
oblique garnet
Unlucky xD
gray parrot
indeed
oblique garnet
We had one of our rogues switch to log just to get the ghuun kill so we got 2 gateways since it was a struggle to get to p3 without them
Lock*
gray parrot
we have enough mobility to run pairs pretty fast
oblique garnet
Yeah we tried that too but there was so many mistakes without warlocks so we just chose to switch and get 2 gateways and have warriors dhs and monks solo the orbs
Went alot smoother
oblique garnet
The damage the ghuun does is ridiculous
gray parrot
get orb running down
get dodging the tumbleweeds down
bring the deeps
that was our strat lol
we wiped like 12 times getting people used to running the orbs...was so dumb
we didnt assign locations/zones for the main DPS phase so it took some more pulls to figure out how not to just spread stacks like wild
oblique garnet
Oh yeah we didnt do that even on our kill
gray parrot
once we could get to P3 reliably it was a matter of getting our DPSers to show up XD
oblique garnet
Which caused me to gain 7 stacks in the last phase because people kept running over me during the wave
gray parrot
i hear that...we had to keep an area for the tanks so we wouldnt have to worry about it
it was getting out of hand lol
cinder pasture
Thanks blizz for making azerite armor from emissary scale. Finally getting rid of my 340 DC shoulders 😂
gray parrot
great feeling eh?
cinder pasture
Oh you have no idea 😛
cinder pasture
I still have that 355 chest, haven't had luck for that yet
cinder pasture
I got lucky and got a 375 shield this week from Vectis, upgraded from a 355 one
gray parrot
ive rerolled Vectis and Ghuun in Normal and Heroic like 10+ times
tying to get the shields.... 😦
oblique garnet
Try to spam atal+10s
gray parrot
i dont do a lot of M+s so my io score is shite
cinder pasture
My io tank score is shite aswell, I keep having to go dps with my guild group. My co-tank refuses to go dps 😛
gray parrot
but the rest are so god awful to play
cinder pasture
So even though I'm a main tank in my guild, dps score is almost higher than tank 🤷
gray parrot
id rather DPS than tank in M+s ...my dps gear is 367
cinder pasture
I kind of prefer tanking, mostly because the tank I'm running with is a bit slow with pulling, I get so impatient haha
digital lance
I feel like a damn idiot.
Just found out that you can spell reflect the DoT on boss 3 of Motherlode
Now I'm wondering what other spells I could reflect that I just didn't
gray parrot
the flame thrower boss?
digital lance
Yeah
amber siren
there's a list in the pins
keen steppe
Can you help me pls ^^ i got this Stats with my warri 16% krit 18% haste 27 Mastery and 4 % versa with 371 Gs is this good 😮 or? got 2 myth and 7/8 hc
digital lance
The blockable spell list?
signal plover
Ya
digital lance
Huh.
oblique garnet
You can sr the ghuuns explosive corruption
digital lance
That's... really useful to know
signal plover
It's got reflectable in there too
digital lance
Thanks, I only saw the Uldir page, didn't see the other tabs.
gray parrot
you can SR the Omega Vector stack from Vectis
oblique garnet
Also not sure if its in the pins but you can sr the thunder elementals aoe lightning thingy to do alot of its hp if everyone else waits in los in shrine of the storm on the bridge
gray parrot
yea i learned it from this channel Faereaver
keen steppe
Can you help me pls ^^ i got this Stats with my warri 16% krit 18% haste 27 Mastery and 4 % versa with 371 Gs is this good 😮 or? got 2 myth and 7/8 hc?? D: Pls
signal plover
In high keys u can do a big chunk of boss dmg by reflecting seemingly regular spells
Bloodbolts in underrot
digital lance
Yeah, I took a look at the dot I reflected
signal plover
Void bolts in shrine
digital lance
16k per 2
sick sentinel
@keen steppe dude you just want ilvl
There are no "good stats" you just want more stats
gray parrot
haste is the good stat
everything else is largely "take the best ilvl"
and "never replace DC unless the new piece has DC"
sick sentinel
I feel like 90% of the questions here can be answered with the video griff made
sick sentinel
The "you're probably playing protection warrior wrong in bfa" video
gray parrot
people dont like written guides
they like hearing from people and being able to ask follow up questions
i get it
signal plover
That's subjective
amber siren
people learn in different formats 🤷
cinder pasture
I'm a massive introvert, I hate talking with you guys. Like right now 😄
signal plover
The point of the written guide is that it's categorized by section and each section has very obviously titled subsections.
sick sentinel
That's why a video was made 😄
gray parrot
the point of a guide doesnt matter in regards to it's effectiveness
signal plover
The effectiveness is up to the reader
gray parrot
its common with any learning situation
no, im sorry that is categorically false
else no learning would involve teachers/instructors/professors
we would all be learning only from text
gray parrot
a greeting from my teacher
I am not going to argue learning effectiveness with you man
signal plover
Ok
cinder pasture
I learn better from reading than listening to someone else talking
signal plover
I'm not sure what needs arguing tbh
gray parrot
yes, its very much a "to each his own" situation but there are "generalizations" that are easily concluded from tons of studies
oblique garnet
we dont have textbooks in uni
signal plover
The information is in the guide and presented in a way to help someone gain a base understanding...I'm not opposed to someone coming in here asking questions.
signal plover
I mean technically this is a text based channel
So
Anything learned in here is text based
gray parrot
this is a communication channel
gray parrot
he came in and asked a question...which can only be done either in text or voice
so your comparison is off base
yes, you pointed it out
👏
signal plover
K
gray parrot
move on
signal plover
Touchy touchy
gray parrot
you're just wasting time
when we could have been helping the guy with questions
I don't find that productive
inner trail
Has there bene some calculations for the value of crit being close to other stats defensively?
amber siren
who the fuck cares you two, stop flicking each others dicks
digital lance
^
signal plover
Thank @amber siren
vagrant cape
Ironic. We could shield ourselves from mythic Taloc but we could not shield ourselves from each other...
soft kindle
tbf, half the questions asked in any of the channels could be answered by reading the guides
digital lance
We're just pre-stacking rage off each other
signal plover
I didn't realize telling ppl to checked pinned resources on a channel was a trigger word
vagrant cape
sick sentinel
is my favourite #protection emote and 
is my favourite #fury emote
soft kindle
vagrant cape
Next week is sanguine grievous fortified right?
soft kindle
yar
vagrant cape
Ew
digital lance
We can kite tho
vagrant cape
I wonder how prot will fare against grievous. Is the dot mitigated by IP/shield wall? It's a bleed so I imagine blocking and SR won't do anything
soft kindle
digital lance
Just bring frost mages
signal plover
IP/SW would both mitigate it
vagrant cape
That reminds me. When tides of vengeance comes out, we'll have a new 10+ affix. I bet it'll be like dark souls invasions. During your m+ run a member of the opposite faction will teleport in and attack you
inner trail
I have read the guide thanks
digital lance
Just use leap to run away
inner trail
that's not what I was asking however
soft kindle
I wasn't pointing at you dude. Just clipped you in the ss
signal plover
My guide response wasn't to you Dmitry. Your question isn't necessarily answered by it.
There was discussion about crit in here like last week I think.
soft kindle
@vagrant cape you're kiddin, legit?
vagrant cape
@soft kindle that was entirely satire
soft kindle
good
inner trail
admittedly I know little about it but from the formulas I was able to find online and from how it works for other classes it would seem like it would be quite far behind
vagrant cape
But since blizz doesnt care about balancing the world first race, why should they care about balancing m+ and the MDI? :Kappa:
signal plover
I think consensus was that its value relies on parry which is unreliable
inner trail
that's the underlying issue with parry however also numerically there is a difference between just how much parry it gives
signal plover
But it's also not far enough behind to be avoided
vagrant cape
So we can't block physical spells like throw rock, but can we parry/dodge them?
inner trail
I see
digital lance
Tides of Vengence affix: The Lich king slowly strides from entrance to exit after 5 minutes elapse. He 1shots anyone in his AoE
Such a cool dungeon yo
signal plover
Point to point on a piece of equal ilvl (disregarding azerite traits) is the only time our stat prio rly comes to play
vagrant cape
If you wipe you're fucked @digital lance
digital lance
Don't wipe 😁
signal plover
Season 2 affix will prolly be somehow related to last boss of the raid :)
So maybe some shiny gold buff
inner trail
oh yeah that makes sense, since we do get armor from str, and armor is amazing, higher ilvl will most likely be better or close anyway
digital lance
But there's two last bosses
signal plover
🤔
digital lance
Seige of Boralus 2.0
vagrant cape
#BalanceForAzeroth
signal plover
I thought the last boss was the same, just how you "view" it is different
vagrant cape
Nope.
Each faction will fight 6 bosses. 3 are shared, 3 are faction specific for 9 bosses total.
signal plover
I'll admit the raid order confused the shit outta me the first few times I read it
I must need a video guide
vagrant cape
Then you can fight the 3 of the other faction "through their eyes" or some shit
limber wigeon
I personally avoid crit at all costs, even going as far to take 5 (maybe 10) ilvl decreases for it. I know it's not 100% kosher, but I really don't like party as a defensive stat.
digital lance
killing Jaina as an Alliance
signal plover
When I first heard it I was like ok it'll be two converging opposite paths where u do your 3 first, then the other factions 3, and then the last 3 in the centee
amber siren
you're not taking ilvl for the crit, it's for the str/armour
vagrant cape
Maybe the horde dungeons will have a different affix than the alliance dungeons. But then again that's twice the work and blizzard wouldn't go for it
signal plover
They won't be functionally different
Maybe different names
I think it'll be a rastfariankan affix of some sort
vagrant cape
@digital lance but you kill her through the eyes of the horde so it's ok.
Jaina confirmed dead. All the character development led to her ripping in pepperoni on the high seas
digital lance
It's okay
inner trail
I think if going for pure survivability and not dps there is still some ilvl value where it's worth to go with a non-crit piece
steel mauve
Pure survival, crit still isnt bad and still close to every other stat, so ilvl will still win even dropping haste for crit
inner trail
how do you know that it's close
for every other tank it's really bad for survivability
steel mauve
Because people way smarter than me has theorycrafted it out
And we arent monks, dks bears or dhs
Doesnt matter whats bad for another class, because we arent them
amber siren
Marok is a weeb and has lied for us to stack crit as part of his plan to become #1 prot warrior meta
steel mauve
We are a completely different class with a co pletely different playstyle with a conpletely different abilities list
amber siren
revenge doesn't give rage, nor would you spend it in a situation where you need it for surv purposes
digital lance
Well it doesn't use rage then
amber siren
doesn't proc am either so
steel mauve
You simply can not say some thing as a fact for us judging from a 100% different class
amber siren
it's nice but nothing thrilling
inner trail
it's really good for dps that's true
vagrant cape
"PTR Patch 8.1.0 - Tides of Vengeance
New Mythic Plus Affix - Drowned
Periodically the tide will rise, causing a section of the dungeon to become flooded. The spawn of the Old Gods dwell in the water, so players must man a small ship to navigate the dungeon. One player will take the helm while another fires the cannon.
Through clever reuse of content, players will notice that the cannons fire just as they do in beachhead while the ship moves exactly like everyone's favorite turtle, Loh!
We look forward to seeing players earn their sea legs in the upcoming 8.1 patch, Tides of Vengeance!"
(This is entirely a parody and is in no way accurate to what blizzard will do in 8.1)
amber siren
i'd fire a cannon at my party
inner trail
👌
digital lance
@amber siren Tol Dagor in a nutshell
steel mauve
And it gained a lot of value when we lost BC, but secondary stats arent great, they have very little effect for us as tanks, the main thing that comes with ilvl is armor stam and str, which the armor alone is massive over secondaries
wind wave
soooo, any other stats don't make much difference?
steel mauve
They dont make as much of a difference as they did in legion where secondaries were huge
They help, but dropping a haste heavy item for crit wont hurt you that much if the ilvl is higher unless you have like 5% base haste, which youve already got a problem there any ways
wind wave
oh, that makes sense
steel mauve
The only time you actually follow the stat priority is if its same ilvl pieces, and possibly rings, which some argue higher ilvl still wins
wind wave
Alright, thanks for explaining
steel mauve
But only like a 5-10 ilvl for rings for clarity sake, dont drop 20 ilvls lol
wind wave
oh, no, that wouldn't be smart 😄
grim prism
Dont drop 10 ilvl for rings
gray wolf
anyone else having as much fun killing ppl with spell reflect in tol dagor?
wild bolt
@sick sentinel Mentioned a video earlier today (possibly by Kelade? Everything I can find from him is Fury related on YT.) Would someone mind pointing me at what I'm missing please?
oblique garnet
@chilly brook made a guide on prot warrior probably what he was talking about @wild bolt
wild bolt
Oh cool.
dense flame
i never did see that video. Do you remember what the title was?
oblique garnet
Patch 8.0.1 protection warrior guide
digital arrow
"stop! You're playing prot wrong!"
chilly brook
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I was tagged
@dense flame if you’re having trouble finding it I can just link it to you or you can just click on my discord profile and my YouTube is linked to it
sick sentinel
https://gyazo.com/6c9ec9b85ba36884e3dd8ba51976e8a4 trash right?
junior ivy
:( I have no power I cant check my chest I'm sad
round vortex
Did it for you guys! ❤
daring marlin
raughs
digital arrow
Oh chest is up now? Ahh
daring marlin
yeh
junior ivy
Yup it's up
digital arrow
LOL represent bara
junior ivy
I better get 385 shoulders with DC