Read the tank guides, they are there for your specific role
#protection
steel mauve
zinc mauve
Spell reflect is a god send
steel mauve
Your specific class tips, and per boss
junior ivy
wheres that guide
zinc mauve
If your other tanks is getting low before the combo and dying because of that, consider intercepting them to take an attack or two. It doesn't help too much but it's free rage for you and less damage taken for them
I don't mean intercept for the combo
Just his auto attacks
steel mauve
In the pins
sick sentinel
safeguard your boyz
sick sentinel
smh
midnight ferry
I dont know why he keeps moving when he doesnt need to, I cry as melee dps
steel mauve
Bought carries?
midnight ferry
being FOTM help with score probably
chilly brook
"you're cherrypicking we all already know BrM takes more damage than other tanks"
"bruh but the point remains that I require less EHRPS than even a DK"
digital arrow
Lol cherry picking as if u chose your cotank's class for that Warcraft log
ember arrow
idk why care so much about reddit posts tbh. arguing with people on the internet is pointless
especiall if they fundamentally disagree
pine jewel
Hi, is it worth using Shield block if there is range/caster mobs in the pack?
do I just use ignore pain?
raven kernel
how many other mobs are meleeing you?
pine jewel
lets say 3 range 2 melee
hot locust
use block
raven kernel
^
oblique wolf
prime candidate for last stand so you can dedicate rage to ip
raven kernel
raw ip will just get chewed up instantly
pine jewel
whats a good number for not to use shield block and just ignore pain?
raven kernel
when almost all the dmg is non blockable
pine jewel
I just relized today Shieldblock only works at melee xD
So just ignorepain for ranges?
daring patrol
i mean, if you're ONLY taking ranged attacks sure
steel mauve
If you are getting meleed, shield block
oblique wolf
use ignore pain when not using it would make you die! If its a huge pack with mixed melee + casters use last stand if you cant afford to shield block
steel mauve
1 mob, 10 mobs, should shield block
You will gain more dr from a shield blocked mob than using ip solely
wild bolt
I was getting discouraged, then I popped in here for some inspiration. Then I watched Sense's Mythic G'huun kill. Thanks, shield bros!
onyx venture
For those who use weakauras, do you prefer Luxthos or Khakhan
raven kernel
what
chilly brook
I'm actually laughing so hard
daring patrol
i swear by khakhan's setup on both arms/prot and on my blood dk
raven kernel
dont know either of them XD
steel mauve
I make my own weakauras
zinc mauve
I rearranged Khakhans to match my keybinds
digital arrow
some of these commenters are taking it way to personally goddamn
steel mauve
Thats reddit
digital arrow
not trying to shit on other classes that they may be playing, like some competition
just trying to get rid of the bad rap
that prot has right now
chilly brook
This dude is acting like my guide is me saying that prot is the best tank and people should be playing it over other tanks lololol
delicate prism
The wow subreddit consists of 95% salty bads.
daring patrol
did he miss the part where you said exactly the opposite? lol
delicate prism
I'm not sure what you expected.
daring patrol
but yeah basically, take wow general discussion and amplify it by 10
raven kernel
prot is really underestimated
had a guildie that never ran with me before, or any other prot
did 1 run with me
"how are you doing 40kdps?"
oblique garnet
^
raven kernel
we ran alot of waycrests
like 11 to 13s
no issue at all
later on i swapped to dps cos 1 guy left and we got another guildie tank in
prot pal
grim prism
Khakhan ๐คข
oblique garnet
Only had issues in waycrest when they switched the route and it was different than the one i ran before
grim prism
May as well just skip the middleman and rub glitter in your eyes for all the needless clutter
mellow bridge
Only issue I have in WM is my healer not being able to keep himself/the dps alive at covens on tyrannical
raven kernel
the rest of us that had been running with me whole day were like
next goblet
^^
delicate prism
Stripper Tata's are the only reason to get gillter in your eyes.
raven kernel
how are you getting destroyed?
was really nice doing the same keys with almost same people and seeing the difference with another tank
next goblet
i did just fine a +8 underrot.. nothing special but hey im only 365
i could do a +10 easily if i had enough guildies
raven kernel
+13 waycrest, the whole pack downstairs before the piano guy and ghost lady
i can pull everything except that 1 infest mob which we leave alone
next goblet
but they see prot war and they go OMGPROTISBADLUL
oblique garnet
We only have 2 tanks in our guilds so they have 2 choices on the tank me or our dh
raven kernel
the pally had to kite up and down the stairs
oblique garnet
Kiting what is that LUL
next goblet
last stand baby who needs to kite?
digital arrow
damn rei
next goblet
unless its necrotic week
digital arrow
badass
oblique garnet
Well yeah necrotic week depending on the dungeon can be brutal
chilly brook
Reddit is more entertaining than wow
raven kernel
necrotic pretty annoying
chilly brook
๐
oblique garnet
Last time i was in freehold during necrotic week i think i had like 40 stacks of necrotic before i had to run
raven kernel
on full melee packs we can actually stay in for a long time
even high stacks
cos with block up they hit for so little
it hardly bothers my healer
raven kernel
RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL
digital arrow
lol
oblique garnet
Yeah throw rocks and salt blast combined terrifies me
digital arrow
i pug most of my m+ and when dps arent helping me interrupt spells or when an extra pack is pulled, i almost always have to kite to not die
raven kernel
that one hurts
digital arrow
maybe that was more the case with bolstering and necrotic
oblique garnet
They are perfectly lined up tho so i can just mow them down with highmountain taurens racial
delicate prism
I usually end a pug m+ with over 40 interrupts to the DPS's combined 4 - 0.
digital arrow
๐ฆ
raven kernel
thats why i dont pug XD
delicate prism
Am guildless at 363 ilvl so it's only 7s and 8s
raven kernel
even the socials in my guild are better than pugs
cold owl
digital arrow
im jealous of your guys guilds. i had to find one from scratch and happen to choose the most uninvited class in the game currently lmao
delicate prism
Bruh, no is as awful as this fury warrior in a pug AD +7 the other day.
He legit used only whirlwind.
raven kernel
@chilly brook wheres your guide thing
delicate prism
I mean, he as able to apply to the group right? So he at a minimum has reading ability and knows how to use his mouse to click on buttons.
sick sentinel
Maybe I'm weird but I can't do M+ serious with friends or guildies
yeah you're weird then.
I have to do everything with a pug because I can expect actual work from pug over people who I'm "familiar" with
At least in m+
chilly brook
Dude is talking about how good Blood DK is, states that Bonestorm can do what avatar TC can do in terms of damage, then brings up his 24k HPS "topping myself off after Thrash" logs from Fetid. when asked to link his logs he just links blood DK healing leaderboards for Fetid. The kicker? The Blood DK that is at the top takes only 1.5k less EHRPS than @astral crystal
And that's a blood DK doing 28k HPS
lavish oracle
Except that like 50% of PUGs don't know how to interrupt, purge, or do any mechanic other than DPS the boss
oblique garnet
The average blood dk log even on fetid devourer shows 20k + DTPS meanwhile im sitting there with less than 12k
sick sentinel
@lavish oracle ur right but the problem I've had with running high keys with people I "know" ends always never being completed on time
chilly brook
@raven kernel https://youtu.be/p4M73w_EOH4
sick sentinel
Although I'm usually the only one in my guild that cares a lot about M+
raven kernel
link the reddit thread too XD
chilly brook
digital arrow
yo griff i wouldnt argue with that vlorg guy, he's just arguing for the sake of arguing.. not even sure what he's trying to change ur mind on
digital arrow
is that against reddit rules?
digital arrow
ohh
sick sentinel
DTPS means nothing if the class can heal itself, as per the baseline of their tanking it, or 'negate' it (BrM Stagger)
ember arrow
^
sick sentinel
sure we take less than everyone else, but still need the healing.
cus we're not 'sustain tanks'.
raven kernel
@chilly brook your EHRPS reply went to the main thread instead of the guy's comment
chilly brook
Someone asked and I gave a reply @ember arrow
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Yea I deleted and gonna repost
@digital arrow I don't even think he knows what he believes
ember arrow
oh i do
ember arrow
yes, but neither monks or dk are hard to heal in a raid environment
getting healed more isnt same as being harder to heal
chilly brook
Doesn't even link his own logs, cherrypicks top healing logs
No but I never said it was
The original comment thread started when someone said something about how prot requires over double the amount of healing
ember arrow
what else is the point of bringing it up?
steel mauve
But the guy argued about being healed more, not griff, qho was trying to dispute just the "twice as much healing required"
ember arrow
oh definitely not double
chilly brook
Yea
ember arrow
thats just either exaggeration or a dumbass
chilly brook
It's a patently false statement
steel mauve
The random brought it up, griff defended
wheat tundra
Yo guys
chilly brook
Then this idiot starts harping like I was saying Prot is best tank
wheat tundra
what would u say is the best stat priority?
steel mauve
Ilvl
chilly brook
Haste>Vers>Mastery>Crit
wheat tundra
Thank u
chilly brook
ilvl>all
steel mauve
We only have 1 stat priority
wheat tundra
y
steel mauve
There isnt a best
chilly brook
The priority only applies to same ilvl gear
outer dew
gotta up them parry chances and TC crits
:^)
I mean, it's usually the case for tanks that you go with highest ilvl
raven kernel
oh i actually ran the mastery heavy set this week for M+ and i liked it
ember arrow
going with full critgear int oa trashpack would feel great
lavish oracle
Is it worth sacrificing 5 ilvl for crit and a tertiary stat or nah?
digital arrow
griff u probably shouldn't have called the other tanks unathletic ๐ i think thats what set this guy off
grim prism
Dumbasses on reddit? No way
steel mauve
Nothing is really worth saccing ilvl
lavish oracle
Er, socket and a tertiary*
steel mauve
Only thing os dc trait
lavish oracle
Had crit on the brain
steel mauve
Is*
outer dew
hmm
grim prism
@lavish oracle if it's a ring, sure
steel mauve
On a ring possibly, not on armor pieces
oblique garnet
Its probably some guy who doesnt want to link his logs because dem gray parses because he rolled into fotm tank and isnt doing aswell
grim prism
Nope
outer dew
ring socket is worth easily ~10 ilvls
grim prism
I mean
steel mauve
I wouldnt say easily
grim prism
You can look at the stat budget and see exactly how much a socket is worth
Thats literally 6th grade algebra
lavish oracle
Let's cool it on the casual racism, pretty please.
steel mauve
Add every thing up, if 40 extra stats is more, then its worth
grim prism
^
chilly brook
@digital arrow apparently a class that you die if you make a mistake isn't a high skill floor who knew. I guess I've been wrong the whole time that something that doesn't allow for mistakes is in fact not a high skill floor.
steel mauve
Thats armor/str/stam/all secondaries
grim prism
The problem is that people in here have been throwing around "skill floor" and "skill ceiling" willy-nilly since week two and I'm pretty sure only a handful of people here know the difference
lavish oracle
Skill floor is the barrier to entry to play the class effectively, skill ceiling denotes a huge gap in effectiveness for the higher end player vs. the lower end player
digital arrow
those terms shouldnt be wielded lightly
raven kernel
brew has high skill floor
grim prism
No
chilly brook
wut
grim prism
@raven kernel thats backwards lol
chilly brook
^
prisma crane
i think it's closer to unforgiving than some complex skill floor, it's not complex to hit something before incoming dmg
grim prism
See?
raven kernel
no it isnt
steel mauve
Just proved balsacs point lol
digital arrow
lol
chilly brook
Brew has a low skill floor and a low skill ceiling
grim prism
Have to bust ass to be minimally acceptable = high skill floor
raven kernel
a minimum skilled player, playing prot, will be playing at an extremely low level --> the floor is really low
daring patrol
floor, as in bottom line
lavish oracle
If that post from the other day is any indication, you could play brew while half comatose and still be relatively effective
delicate prism
Brew can literally not hit mitigation and succeed.
Doesn't get much fucking lower than that
raven kernel
a minimum skilled player, playing brew, will be playing at a decent level ----> the floor is much higher than prot's
grim prism
That is just being bad @raven kernel
chilly brook
Prot has both a high skill floor and high skill ceiling
grim prism
Not a floor/ceilimg argument
raven kernel
im explaining the meaning of skill floor
prisma crane
how is the ceiling high?
solid mist
we have a skill wall issue, it's name is deafening crash and it's load bearing
grim prism
You unequivocally have it backwards though
raven kernel
no i dont
prisma crane
we can't make magic happen if you have everything perfect, but we can be competent
chilly brook
Really not a bastion of factuality
delicate prism
A skill floor is the minimum level of ability required to be effective with a hero. A skill ceiling is the level of skill required to use a hero to their maximum potential.
lavish oracle
My perception of the term skill floor is like a Must be this tall to ride sign, if you're not at least decent at the class, you're going ot have a bad time
chilly brook
But the 60% would agree with me and Ball
grim prism
The skill floor is how much gud you have to be to be effective
raven kernel
yeah so we're using 2 diff terms
grim prism
Not how effective a hypothetical mongo would be, in a skillvacuum
raven kernel
skill floor to me is the performance of X when at the minimum skill level
daring patrol
#highintclass
delicate prism
I mean, you can make up your own definitions if you want
steel mauve
Difference in a definition to you and a common accepted definition
grim prism
That is a definition that I have literally never heard used in all the years I've used the term
delicate prism
Just don't expect them to be understood the same way by everyone else.
grim prism
But I guess we can be open-minded here
Some people think it's not racist to say "dont be a jew, buy +40 gems"
That doesnt change the definition
oblique garnet
Oh damn i got to +12 pug without it even being my key
raven kernel
because skill ceiling means the performance of X when at the maximum skill level
vagrant cape
@minor timber just saw your message about howler trinket macro. Don't macro it to avatar. The reason is you miss out on damage. If you macro it with avatar, you'll use a GCD on avatar, then a GCD on demo shout and THEN you actually use thunderclap. You waste 2 globals of abilities by macroing it. Keep it separate and pop it the instant before your first damaging ability after avatar
grim prism
Rule of thumb: dont macro anything to anything
solid mist
ceiling means the max, this is as high as you can go even with an infinite amount of skill and ability
lavish oracle
That's impressive, @oblique garnet
vagrant cape
@grim prism that's not racist, it's anti semitic
lavish oracle
I was excited to get into a +10 the other day, haha
oblique garnet
The group even had "pref bdk" on the details im surprised
digital arrow
i'm all for that skill ceiling if wow had real rewards for it other than satisfaction at playing the class well
grim prism
I mean, antisemitism is generally considered ro be predudice against ethnic jews, which arguably would be considered a race. But I came here to argue semantics, not semitics
ember arrow
jew isnt a race
digital arrow
excuse my comparisons to ffxiv lol, but warrior there has some really high damage if u are on top of your rotations
daring patrol
uh oh, here we go
digital arrow
their opener can pull threat from main tank
zinc mauve
who cares what antisemitism is; this is a chat about protection warriors ;-;
lavish oracle
Let's not get into semantics about whether or not it's technically racist to be shitty to Jewish people, 'kay?
prisma crane
that's the major point pocky, we're at a basic level more difficult to play well, and our reward for it is mediocrity
digital arrow
it makes me kinda said ๐ญ
prisma crane
yea, we're not shit, but we're no shining star either
zinc mauve
hard to play competently, even harder to master
lavish oracle
I wouldn't have a problem with high barrier-to-entry for prot warrior if it were more rewarding to master
lavish oracle
But at this point mastering it seems to mean "performing slightly less adequately than a blood DK"
grim prism
Your reward for mastering warrior is having dipshits argue with you in skyhold and telling you that youre only underperforming because youre playing wrong
digital arrow
legion huh ๐ค
ember arrow
yes
sick sentinel
is it worth replacing rezans?
ember arrow
20th dmg taken 1 .3 mil dps
digital arrow
i played a bit but didnt master it.. i just remember having tons of ignore pain
grim prism
@sick sentinel shit, I would
ember arrow
when it worked
grim prism
NF sucked
ember arrow
i beg to differ
sick sentinel
but losing rezan's feels bad :C
grim prism
Yall spent the entire expac saying how shitty it was that we cant move and channel
grim prism
And you were right
outer dew
i mean
ember arrow
if not moving for 3 seconds is that frustrating
outer dew
who bitches at an extra defensive
outer dew
like I remmeber
daring patrol
im not happy unless I'm able to have 60apm alone dedicated to spacebar
outer dew
using the monk thing that reduces damage until you got meeled
grim prism
No but relative to other AAs it was pretty meh
vagrant cape
I'm bored, so here's the tanks as games of Jenga.
Demon Hunter: the tower is on fire and you get to stack as many pieces on top as you have time for before it falls over.
Paladin: If you play in a Holy church you have the holy spirit stabilizing your tower. Every 10 minutes God will reassemble your tower the instant it hits the ground.
Prot warrior: The pieces are made of lead. It's very hard to knock over but touching the pieces to rebuild the tower will eventually kill you.
Druid: Its normal Jenga, but you have to play it in a tent while being attacked by an actual bear.
DK: The pieces are dipped in congealed blood, making the tower sticky and sturdy. Despite this, you'll be judged the least of all the previously mentioned game variants.
Monk: The tower is surrounded by a 1-foot thick mould of gelatin. You can remove pieces, but at a rate of one every 10 seconds (or 12 with the right talent).
lavish oracle
I dunno, I feel like "here's 3 seconds where you're not doing anything" is just kinda shitty design
ember arrow
now we got much more seconds
outer dew
except if you got meeled
ember arrow
with the gcd changes
outer dew
you got knocked out of it
grim prism
Here' s three seconds where you're n- OH SHIT A KNOCKBACK LOL
ember arrow
so
u didnt know what abilities mobs/bosses had
that u channeled it before a knockback?
how can you otherwise be take offguard by one?
outer dew
was it fun? no. Was the it useful? yea
grim prism
^
lavish oracle
The GCD changes just make the class play slower, it's not the same as more downtime
grim prism
Eating gruel and a multivitamin three meals a day will keep you from dying
lavish oracle
And admittedly, the GCD changes don't feel so bad once you're pushing 50% haste ๐
grim prism
That doesnt mean it'a good
signal plover
๐ค
ember arrow
channeling NF once per few minutes > IP on gcd
chilly brook
Omegalul
โWhy play prot and make everyone else work harder when you could just play blood or vengeance and make everyone elseโs life easier
That vengeance comment ๐๐๐๐๐
signal plover
Like I'm still playing and all that shit but man the GCD change is a step hella back in the wrong direction imo
grim prism
So just for sake of argument, iirc in legion a block was a 30% damage reduction and crit block was a 60% damage reduction
stark sage
plus bastion
signal plover
Base
signal plover
I guess
solid mist
yeah sure lemme just drop 100's of dollars on character boosts so I can just try out all these tanks to make sure these shit bag pugs I do M+'s with who don't interupt shit feel better b/c I'm not a prot war
chilly brook
That moment when vengeance requires a helluva lot more working around as a group than prot
grim prism
Was that a 7.3 thing
ember arrow
i dont believe anyone forced you to spend money on boosts
grim prism
I quit in 7.2.5 before it turned into JUST SPAM IP
solid mist
when is some startup going to create firebomb-reddit-dipshits-as-a-service
steel mauve
I believe so, that was for tomb when the new traits came out
ember arrow
i remember gettign excited to see a trait
bastion
now in bfa
well
lets pray to rng we get the mandatory DC
sick sentinel
ember arrow
tooltips in 2020 Shield block - Blocks with a shield
grim prism
Suffice it to say, purely from a playstyle point of view, NF sucked compared to other artifact abilities
supple path
NF was good on like 3 fights but yeah.
ember arrow
it got good
grim prism
NF was also completely useless against non-blockable damage
steel mauve
It had a very niche use, on a few fights for specific abilities
supple path
Well yes. but in fairness, as a shield, that kinda checks out.
steel mauve
Otherwise you just kind of never used it
lavish oracle
Please, Blizzard, let me block rocks after the prot buff
supple path
You're right, you totally got me on how I said it wasn't used on trash. wtf.
steel mauve
You know its bad when one of the buffs we are wishing for is to block throwable objects
grim prism
NF was decent, in a vacuum
steel mauve
I dont recalled angerhoof bulls as a raid boss
supple path
"Good on 3 fights" vs "used on trash" = stupid goddamn nitpick to try to make.
ember arrow
good on 3 fights implies its bad otherwise
supple path
Going to just stop talking now.
steel mauve
No it doesn't, it literally means out of all the RAID bosses, you only used it on 3
grim prism
Compared to other AAs it was clunky to use, and while it may have been numerically balanced it sure was pretty shit to have to press
steel mauve
Literally nit picking
grim prism
increases your blocked damage against a single blockable boss ability
ember arrow
he didnt specify it was a raid boss, and mentioned it was useful on 3
steel mauve
Pretty sure when some one specifies fights they dont mean out of millions of trash pulls, you dont need to be specific there, a fight is a boss fight, always has been
grim prism
That's what "high skill floor" means right? ๐
chilly brook
I mean like for what it did it was ok, but it wasnโt going to blow your mind. It was a nice fallback if you messed up on a SB charge, that being said.....it would have been way better if you could have moved while channeling it
ember arrow
it made for some nice screens
dark lark
What's NF?
ember arrow
neltharions fury
grim prism
@deeshoo#3726 dead shit from last expac
chilly brook
Neltharions Fury
ember arrow
legion artifact ability
dark lark
Oh right, i remember taking it off my bara
grim prism
LOL
ember arrow
nice
stark sage
๐ค
stark sage
guaranteed crit block
stark sage
like strongest physical mitigation in the game
chilly brook
Like I said it was actually ok
chilly brook
The biggest problem was the fact that you couldnโt move
dark lark
My war was my 3rd alt last xpac lol
dark lark
Yeah I didn't like the fact that I couldn't move
grim prism
It was a dinky little piss-driblet of fire tho
stark sage
tbh being rooted is pretty fair for a super powerful mitigation
grim prism
Even with the HAA spookyface
lavish oracle
I don't think anyone is saying it was like...bad mitigation, it just didn't feel very good to use
chilly brook
The damage was subpar no one will argue
ember arrow
@stark sage 3 seconds of not moving is too much to ask every 5 mintues orso
dont you know
its not like you turned into a caster
grim prism
It was better than nothing, and thats all I have to say about that
stark sage
i wish there was more super mitigations with a type of opportunity cost like being rooted
grim prism
Ah ah
ember arrow
as long as its blockable, which many things were
grim prism
Blockable, not physical
ember arrow
most deadly abilites were
grim prism
So rule out literally all AoEs and magic
chilly brook
I mean it was better than brewmasters one unless you just wanted damage
ember arrow
literally every tank swap except maybe king
power attack in hov
the slash
tons of stuff
void sandal
Super mitigation: 40% global DR for 8 secs on a five minute CD.
Opportunity Cost: massive social stigma and a messy kit overall
dark lark
So wait, what are we doing circle jerking a non existent spell ๐ค
dark lark
Fair, as long as we acknowledge it's nostalgia for nostalgia sake
ember arrow
i mean, im well aware it is removed, i can still talk about it and find it a good ability
stark sage
i think NF was great ability design, maybe not visually but mechanically
digital arrow
yeah
ember arrow
very powerful metigation for a small opportunity cost
that was irrelevant unless you didnt know that a displacement was coming
stark sage
sadly bfa prot's ability design is just worse
void sandal
How does gear scaling affect the various tanks? It seems like prot stands to benefit disproportionately well from having a high ilvl shield, for instance
grim prism
Prot doesnt benefit disproportionately by having a good shield, it is punished disproportionately for not having one
daring patrol
high shield floor
chilly brook
Lol
grim prism
Except every other tank has their primary mitigation based off primary stats or %-based self-healing, so they dont require them to target one specific piece for baseline viability
stark sage
thing about defense scaling on gear, if you pass the survive check then going higher doesnt really matter that much, if you are below that point then its very apparent
midnight ferry
can shield titanforge?
grim prism
SotR is based off strength
midnight ferry
...
ember arrow
uhh
sotr isnt what i refer to
their block chance
as well as their holy shield
gets exponentially better
tender imp
holy shield is a fix amount btw
grim prism
Would you describe either of those things as primary active mitigation
tender imp
yes, but wont mitigate more with a good shield
ember arrow
so that means that more block on the shield means it gets better
tender imp
thats what i meant
grim prism
Hurr durr
tender imp
its not nearly as important to have a good shield on pala as on warr
grim prism
@midnight ferry no
oblique garnet
Why is the last boss of siege still so hard for pugs
dark lark
A more general question, at what point do you guys feel comfortable pugging 4 for 10+ mythics?
oblique garnet
Missed the timer on +12 by 15 sec because our priest died on the last platform
And deesho i started at 355 iirc
Try getting your rio score high enough so you get accepted
grim prism
@dark lark when it's their key and not mine
dark lark
Even at 8-9s I have issues trusting pugs to cc properly, help me kite with slows, etc
grim prism
Yeah its random chance
oblique garnet
This week should be fine
grim prism
Just have to add the good ones ro bnet
oblique garnet
You dont really have to kite
grim prism
And hope you dont get a shitty one
cinder nova
I mean this week you should be able to retard pull
tall wadi
+8 or +9 is a cakewalk, you dont need any real skill or knowledge that low
hence pugs on that level are a rollercoaster of bad
oblique garnet
You can go and pull like its heroic at 370 this week
half merlin
i missed 12 freehold with 1 min, my healer said i was easier to heal than most tanks. and he has 1k+ RIO rdruid. feelsgoodman
grim prism
Pugs on all levels are a tossup. Even turboshitters can have a 1000 Rio carry by now
Add good ones, make new friends, play with people you trust
tall wadi
true
tall wadi
when playing with complete strangers pay attention to what their scores of that specific dungeon are and wether it was tyrannical/fortified
some mechanics are only really learned in fortified/tyrannical specifically
tall wadi
if they only did a dungeon once, abandon
oblique garnet
Made an big impact on an random pug got added to bnet and they asked me to come tank their + 14 manor unfortunately it was when i had a raid
sick sentinel
I've had people comp me as a prot tank but never added me
I feel its for the better, i like working and taking chances with strangers
tall wadi
someone having a freehold +13 in time during fortified week doesn't mean that he will understand how the bosses work in tyrannical
sick sentinel
Feels more rewarding since everyone typcially has to be on their A game in keys above +8
oblique garnet
Imo freehold is harder on fortified than tyrannical
sick sentinel
the only real hard boss is the 2nd
tall wadi
not relevant to my example
dark lark
I was gonna say shark boss is harder on tyrannical
tall wadi
you will die to tyrannical bosses if you are not experienced with them
sick sentinel
eh
dark lark
Always have some dummy die to sharks rofl
tall wadi
because baseline bosses are way undertuned this expansion
sick sentinel
eh
regal yacht
Almost all are harder on fortified so much hp to grind. Tryranical is just mechanics
sick sentinel
tyran is just dont die and dps harder
regal yacht
Almost all are harder on fortified so much hp to grind. Tryranical is just mechanics
sick sentinel
nothing actually changes except that a fight can last a mintue or 2 longer
sick sentinel
generally speaking
dark lark
Yeah the ones with soft dps checks
I've gone through a KR+10 with no issues
Until the council
Because healer couldn't heal through the axe dot
tall wadi
you can avoid the axe dot
dark lark
And DPS didn't know how to use personal defensive
tall wadi
also honorable prot wars safeguard the axe LUL
dark lark
I'm not good enough to think of that shit
tall wadi
safeguard best (read: only) utility of prot war :<
tall wadi
no its not
sick sentinel
then u havent seen me push the axe deeper
sick sentinel
from my exp tho with KR i find the first boss the hardest and not council
tall wadi
absolutely true
sick sentinel
but thats only in tryn tho
tall wadi
first boss on tyrannical, trash before and after first boss on fortified
sick sentinel
on fort its the trash and i want to shot my self
tall wadi
also last boss takes years to kill on high keys
tall wadi
mount pet does take all damage
sick sentinel
ah
tall wadi
and it has like 16% of the bosses health. again.
so even on m0 the boss has 2.1m hp with another 16ish% on top compared to 1.9m hp that is normal for most bosses
ember arrow
pty sure bosses with such mechanics have their hp adjusted
quartz pond
@shut summit gratz!
quartz pond
only filthy normies switch avatars
sick sentinel
ember arrow
@tall wadi correct
shut summit
@quartz pond ty
quartz lake
Hey sexual tanks, question for you. I've been struggling to get past +6 on temple due to Galvazzt and that big spell he casts. It tends to wipe our group (sans me with my damage mitigation). Am I missing something?
We stand in way of lightning till it gets to about 6 stacks (lower on higher mythics). Is this something the healer has to be able to heal through?
or is it the problme of the toons
pine jewel
how do you sim for prot warrior?
hot locust
@quartz lake you should never be letting the beam touch him
pine jewel
prot warrior isnt supported :/
hot locust
everyone should rotate soaking
old night
tanks aren't simmed
hot locust
and yes Nitro, you can't sim prot.
shut summit
No sims working yet
quartz lake
thanks @hot locust
pine jewel
is there any spreadsheets guide
shut summit
Ty
hot locust
HoF as prot poggers
quartz lake
@hot locust Temple is my bottleneck right now. I can +7 everything else but temple
tall wadi
third boss in sethraliss killing the group is the fault of the group, not the tank
mortal pike
obtuse venture
i feel shrine is more unforgiving than temple this week. finished a 10 temple fairly confortably but still havent finished shrine 10 after at least 3 attempts this week
its not even the mobs that are harder its just the timer seems really tight for shrine compared to temple.
grim prism
@quartz lake just soak it until 10 stacks?
quartz lake
Yeah the timer on shrine is way too short
I pug shrine with some i -level 375โs this week and it was a +5 and we still didnโt beat the timer, and I was pulling rather quickly. But this week was hard with the extra mobs and the extra strength and damage that the bosses had
sick sentinel
@chilly brook nice guide dude!
grim prism
I mean
I dont mean to be a dick, but if youre all 370+ and missing a +5, it's your fault regardless of affix
Probably missing trazh mechanics
Kicking wrong spells or not at all, pulling things that shouldnt pull together, stuff like that
Failing to fully soak galvazzt charge would support this conclusion tbf
Idk if you have two monitors, but if you do, you should open the wowhead dungeon guide and follow along as you pull to ensure you are doing all the mechanics
Trash is a lot more complex than last expac
vocal nimbus
he is talking about shrine
but yeah
breaking a 5 at that ilvl isnt supposed to happen
grim prism
Scroll up
chilly brook
@sick sentinel thanks
vocal nimbus
i scroll up and see shrine ๐ค
young harbor
he said shrine just up a bit
grim prism
Scroll up.more
mossy cloud
For atal, whats the easiest path for Prot warrs? no rogue/invis skip
young harbor
you shouldnt be failing a +5 at 370 ilvl
grim prism
I mean, wiping temple on +6 and wiping shrine on +5 are basically the same problem
grim prism
@mossy cloud do right side, dont kill totems until witch doctors are dead
Left side is faster but has more mechanics
mossy cloud
Hmm i see, for a PUG group then, right side is more reasonable?
going +9/10s on a 360 warr
sick sentinel
lol
young harbor
depends, can you trust them not to nuke totems like mouth breathers
mossy cloud
yep
young harbor
then right is easier
grim prism
Right side is safer for pugs imo
mossy cloud
ok thank you
young harbor
if they go full ham and blow up totems, i got nothing
grim prism
The only directive is dont kill totems earlier
Left side has a kill order, mandatory kicks, and unavoidable party damage
Its faster if you do it right
But definitely more complex
mossy cloud
yeah for a PUG (with no voice) that may be challenging
mossy cloud
Yep
oblique garnet
This week without fortified you can go ham on pretty much all the pulls in atal
young harbor
this is true
broken roost
Swirling Sands or Reinforced plating? Neither seems too appealing
grim prism
grim prism
LOL
stark sage
well you could hit it more
outer dew
i mean
it was a +10
i gauged it as, i survived without it
i could just revenge on trash
so we'd burn trash faster
outer dew
I mean, I'm sure it's great
this was for m+
I just found it funny how strong some inner rings can be
restive matrix
Impassive Visage and Azerite Veins honestly seem kinda broken
Especially if your healer actually pays attention to veins and does not top you off
Casual 2.5k HPS for a single veinst trait at 370
grim prism
So uhh
Im on mobile atm so im gonna delegate this for now
Can someone post an actual log of a prot with heal traits on progressive content
Or are we just gonna stand around and measure dicks
grim prism
Sure, without lifeblood or visage tho
sick sentinel
lol
restive matrix
sick sentinel
38+ mins, makes sense.
restive matrix
Its going to depend a lot on specific azerite stacking
sick sentinel
cast more IPs.
restive matrix
For sure, but if that 16 shrine is with say only 1 piece of Resounding Protection, then 3 pieces could get a little out of control for example
Avg Hit was 11k though, so 1 piece of 370 gear with the trait
outer dew
i guess i should point out, for me, the azerite veins + impassive visage is just on 1x 385 piece
I think for keys impassive is strong if you're chain pulling
restive matrix
Veins definetly can be over stacked, since it will get to a point where it just tops you off and cancels if you have too many pieces, but 3 pieces of Visage would be like 12k heal every 6s that can crit
restive matrix
That wasnt me :p
Just public logs
But yeah, never not Demo Shout
Our specific talent build and Deafining Crash are the only thing carrying prot right now
neon tangle
you're not wrong'
restive matrix
Feels good to have 2x 385 azerite pieces, and 1x 340 piece just because Deafening is mandatory
sick sentinel
I have double resounding and it's hella good
daring patrol
thankfully it will be "easier" to get the 370 chest piece with DC now
restive matrix
My current fear is that they nerf something like AM to try and get people to use other talents, or they introduce another must have trait in 8.1, leaving us with 2 must have traits that we have to try and juggle gear around
Yeah, have had awful luck with the emisary pieces so far
stark sage
well the devs are working on some changes for prot in 8.1 i believe, the intent is to make us stronger
not weaker
restive matrix
Yeah, just worried that they make us stronger through a must have azerite trait.
sick sentinel
monks and dks are getting tuned down though
stark sage
i wouldnt worry, if anything we will be overbuffed since the community perception is so negative
sick sentinel
^^
modern brook
Yay
stark sage
but time will tell
daring patrol
and then get to keep the overpowered buffs for months at blizzard's pace :P
restive matrix
Yeah, I am to pessimistic for that
sick sentinel
if anything, saying that we are "viable" might be bad for us LOL
restive matrix
I just take solace in that I am not a bear druid at this point
neon tangle
@restive matrix I expect that the only reason DC hasn't been nerfed is because it would be an overall nerf to warriors
modern brook
Good by ๐ข ๐ต ๐ though
neon tangle
It's one of the obviously OP outliers, they just can't touch it cause it's propping us up
restive matrix
yeah
stark sage
yeah in the changes maybe they will shore up our deficiencies and balance azerite better
junior ivy
what classes should i take for dps to my tol dagor 12?
restive matrix
Although it seems like tanking traits that are must have are not that crazy
stark sage
@junior ivy a rogue
junior ivy
rogues are mean
restive matrix
For DH, Cycle of Binding is pretty OP as well for M+
junior ivy
i dont want a rogue
modern brook
I really hope they address our talent diachotmy
stark sage
too bad, rogue OP for TD
junior ivy
i only know one rogue and he is mean in m+s
sick sentinel
a rogue or insciption lol
restive matrix
More like shroud OP for TD
daring patrol
or blacksmith
modern brook
Prot is the only tank spec where not taking specific talents prevents you from doing raid content
modern brook
Rogue mage and hunter are my top 3
junior ivy
i dunno any mages either ๐ฆ
modern brook
Followed by dk
junior ivy
or even hunters
restive matrix
I have not tanked raids this expac, was thinking we would be a bit stronger there than in M+
modern brook
You really feel all of the short comings of prot on zul
carmine bison
on mythic? heroic seems ok
neon tangle
@modern brook I can't hear you over my thunderclaps
stark sage
prot is good at padding on zul
modern brook
@neon tangle and then u phase :(
restive matrix
Avatar TClap spam is all that is keeping me playing prot :p
At least that feels great
modern brook
And it's going away :(
neon tangle
I got kicked from a group cause they thought I was an AoE-ing dps warrior
since I was like #4 on the charts going in to phase 2
"SINGLE TARGET ZUL"
restive matrix
I sometimes switch to prot on the trash in Uldir just for fun
modern brook
"Tank is fury >:("
neon tangle
which was kinda a compliment I think
modern brook
Edgy kids play rogues
digital arrow
ah makes sense
junior ivy
i found one but he isnt replying t omy msgs
modern brook
Rp* so I'm always an asshole on it
sick sentinel
you are alliance so we can't be friends
supple path
I really expected Demon Hunters to be the annoying edgelords, but it does still seem to be a rogue dominated field.
sick sentinel
gnomes get punted around here
modern brook
Dh are too new
digital arrow
lmao unyun
modern brook
The horde is a strictly better faction
digital arrow
i'm a gnome ๐
modern brook
We have orcs and bonfires
restive matrix
Vengeance DH makes me salty, feel like they stole all my mobility
sick sentinel
@digital arrow well cat is also a gnome that's why I said that
gnomes are the second best simming fury warriors btw
junior ivy
good ๐
sick sentinel
because they swing faster
oblique garnet
You can take whatever you want to tol dagor if you have the skeleton keys
void sandal
If you take an all melee group, the cannon encounters are going to go by pretty slowly
sick sentinel
MAGE
sick sentinel
boomkin is also good
restive matrix
Can also swap Boomkin for Lock, but lets be honest
Treants are the best tanking CD in the game
Poor bears dont get em though
lmao
supple path
A friend who's played for years on both factions was ranting to me the other day about how the horde does seem to have most of the assholes.
Like the troll sorts are just attracted to the cool evil monster races.
restive matrix
I feel like treants being available to boomkins and not bears is a cruel joke by blizzard
supple path
god treants are a better tank CD than anything we get.
restive matrix
Exactly
Like the #1 tank CD in the game for M+ is Bonestorm, followed closely by treants
EZ 20s of the tank taking no dmg
neon tangle
Don't forget the wonder that is earth elemental
restive matrix
Yeah, 5min CD vs 1 min
limber wigeon
wait, shamans exist?
neon tangle
shit treants are only 1min?
supple path
yeah. they're those blue names you ignore while forming groups.
vagrant cape
what about shamans and their exist?
limber wigeon
my guild don't have any shaman anymore :/
supple path
I still expect to see the shaman buff be "removed drums"
restive matrix
Also, I feel like Treants are even more survivable than the Earth Elemental
daring patrol
i never want to go back to doing MOTHER the proper way after having a resto shaman in the group
neon tangle
^^^
supple path
"Okay, group 1 go at 95 energy. Btw you're all group 1."
oblique garnet
On the first bfa mythics when we did shrine we didnt know all the mechanics etc and i died as a tank and the earth elemental of our shaman tanked the boss till its death
neon tangle
incoming "oh you're a warrior nevermind"
junior ivy
hahah he is 2nd top priest on all of sargeras ๐
uneven mason
yeah
glad tinsel
uneven mason
stack SLT + Devotion aura/disc burble then tranq or revival repeat for other side
junior ivy
soo this priest already has a group for my tol dagor 12
so i dont get to choose the classes
but i trust his judgement
uneven mason
TD 12? Rogue/Frostmage/Arms warrior
oblique garnet
Rogue boomkin warlock imo and a shaman healer
sick sentinel
good luck with it
junior ivy
ty
sick sentinel
good luck ! ( you'll need it)
junior ivy
im very scared
oblique garnet
Dont be
restive matrix
You will be fine, just hit Demo SHout more if the mobs start to hurt, and then hit TClap more
oblique garnet
Just clap and keep on clapping till the enemies die
Why cant alliance get more ghuun mythic kills cmon i want to do cross realm raiding since all the good raiding guilds on draenor dont want good prot warrior atm๐ช
primal crypt
370 Doom Fury
370 Razdunk
365 Rezan
sick sentinel
rezan and doom IMO
primal crypt
blockades is holding my other slot
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
oh then rezan 100%
earnest zinc
It's going to be a while
Also, you can thank the e-sports push for people excluding specs that aren't in the meta for non-bleeding edge content
broken roost
How good is Blockades anyway? Currently have 355 Galecaller and 355 Butcherblock
*for M+ specifically
amber siren
It's arguably the best defensive trinket available outside of titanforges and 380+ trinkets
earnest zinc
On Thrall-US the responses for applications when a mythic guild is looking for a tank are:
"Come to this raid for a trial" = BDK, Brew
"Fill out this application" = Pally
"LOL NO" VDH, Bear, Warrior
mossy cloud
whats the best way to tank final boss on Underrot? +10 ? D:
earnest zinc
Have people stack
daring patrol
spam heroic throw on little adds
earnest zinc
Also pray you don't wipe
daring patrol
solo boss with victory rush
mossy cloud
Lolol
oblique garnet
^
mossy cloud
Lust on pull?
oblique garnet
You can actually do that
mossy cloud
and just kite around running away from adds?
oblique garnet
No need
mossy cloud
just let adds come to boss?
oblique garnet
Kill spores with heroic throw
oblique garnet
Well yeah basically the last boss didnt have one major mechanic at all
mossy cloud
but seriously, just stack on me, move boss only when needed, spam heroic throw on lil adds, victory rush ftw?
earnest zinc
Also they are OP as fuck in M+ to begin with
oblique garnet
Yeah pretty much
mossy cloud
nice
oblique garnet
They had 5 tanks so there was no soulrebd on the last boss
earnest zinc
Also their class toolkit is designed in a way where it's possible to do that
The surprising part is they did it on time
oblique garnet
And they all had those honor guards as pets
earnest zinc
That would explain the damage
oblique garnet
Well idk atal isnt one of the hardest dungeons
Its relatively quick if you do most of the things correctly
earnest zinc
Those guys were also some of the best players
oblique garnet
well yeah
zinc mauve
@mossy cloud final boss on underrot is really annoying on volcanic if your DPS blows. Try to keep the boss in a relatively open area if possible, using heroic throw on the adds when possible to keep yourself topped off.
I've solo'd the boss for most of the last phase (before the adds even came out) thanks to heroic throw + victory rush
shut summit
๐
oblique garnet
Sense is the 380 crit trinket overall that much better compared to any other trinket that you would take it over even 385+ veiled eye or howler?
shut summit
Which crit trink, and for surv, no
chrome falcon
finally timed a 15, jesus
took a while
i like pressing thunderclap idk about you guys
junior ivy
wow grats
oblique garnet
Gore-Crusted which youve been using but apparently it was 395 xD
chrome falcon
yeah i am intensely jealous of that gore-crusted sense jesus
oblique garnet
I only have 380 version of that
chrome falcon
yeah i've been doing keys all day and my thunderclapping muscles legitimately ache
zinc mauve
get one of those usb foot pedals and use that as your thunderclap key
fucking bam, maximum roleplay
chrome falcon
i used to have a 12 button mouse but they don't make left handed nagas anymore
there are no left handed MMO mice that are still in production it's so fucking tilting, bought 3 razer naga left handeds like 3 years ago but they're all broken now
have to relearn to play with my keyboard ๐คข
zinc mauve
every razer mouse ive gotten has had some issue within 1 - 2 years of owning
ive just gone logitech and never gone back since my current mouse
sure it doesnt have 1000 buttons, but the grip works for my hand
amber siren
yeah for real razer qa is lackluster
bought 3 things from them, 2 had to be returned due to defects
chrome falcon
it's just insane that nowhere, literally nowhere, is making left handed mice with like 6+ buttons
but apparently they make 0 profit on them, takes a lot of time and money to develop them
so what can ya do
zinc mauve
yeah i feel sorry for left handed people, practically nothing is designed catering to them; and if it is, it's got a premium attatched to it
brazen valley
[Xalzaix's Veiled Eye] is a good trinket ?
obtuse venture
just use your other hand 4head
zinc mauve
@brazen valley what are we comparing it to and what Ilvl?
brazen valley
[Xalzaix's Veiled Eye] with [Doom's Fury] and [Rezan's Gleaming Eye], i know rezan is bis, but i dont know, best second trinket
both same ilvl 370...
zinc mauve
same deal wit the veiled eye, yes?
brazen valley
yes