Did you tell him that you had other tank classes? and I'm not sure what your historic progression experience is. I'm just saying that it isn't surprising coming from an actively progressing guild.
#protection
limber wigeon
chilly brook
The app didn’t ask about alts
So I didn’t tell him I had 3 other tanks at 120 until after he assumed
limber wigeon
I would think that's important, especially for tanks
junior ivy
WHY IS MY WAR FRONT REWARD 340
limber wigeon
Even if it's not in the official application form, I would mention tank alts in a tank application
Sometimes mythic encounters just require certain bullshit
astral crystal
did you already do the main quest to defeat the alliance commander?
chilly brook
Like I said app has doesn’t have a slot asking about alts and had no relevant section to bring it up not even “anything more that you’d like us to know” spot
And if it’s that important don’t you think you’d ask instead of assume?
oblique garnet
Where did you look for the guild ?
junior ivy
im doing a war front on my druid AND I GET DEMOUNTED !! 😦
this is the worst
not being a tank is the worst
oblique garnet
coarse leather barding my friend
junior ivy
😦
oblique garnet
always keep those when not playing a tank
chilly brook
@oblique garnet server forum
Mainly because I don't have the $ to spend to xfer to another server just for a trial period that could end with me in the guild or not in the guild core slot
oblique garnet
look up your server on wowprogress and find a guild?
outer dew
Are you alliance or horde?
chilly brook
Horde
outer dew
NA?
If you're horde US just server transfer to illidan or malganis
Even if you don't get in with one, there's dozens to apply too
chilly brook
Again implies I have the extra $25 dollars to do so rn
outer dew
I mean, then yea. You're just stuck with messaging people on wow progress
Tank slots are also pretty coveted
chilly brook
Oddly enough
outer dew
Not really
Raids are 20 people
2/20 of them are tanks
And sometimes a third off spec tan
chilly brook
Nah that's not what I was referring to
I was gonna say
Oddly enough, Sense's guild is on Tichondrius as well
So Mr. "Prot isn't optimal but I play Ele" is losing the server race to a guild that has a prot warrior
outer dew
I mean
Community perception is huge
And lots of guilds bring the player, not the character most of the time
oblique garnet
^
wary crystal
so when tanking zul, i keep getting trucked by the dot, is that basically up to the healers at that point? heroic btw im at 364
chilly brook
@outer dew right by that’s the point
It’s ironic that the community perception doesn’t apply to him but it applies to anyone else regardless of evidence contrary to it
outer dew
I mean
oblique garnet
Well sense is the gm of the guild
chilly brook
Pretty sure if you’re the gm you just bring whatever you want really
outer dew
Yeap
chilly brook
Regardless of if you’re being hypocritical
chilly brook
But you can’t also give someone the “but this class just isn’t optimal” spiel and be playing a suboptimal class yourself
outer dew
Sometimes you get lucky
Sure you can
Doesn't mean it's not hypocritical
But he sure as hell can
oblique garnet
Go through the hard route; find decent casual guild carry them towards mythic progression
chilly brook
No thanks lol
I mean my guild is 2/8
I just don’t feel like it’s a good fit anymore. What I was told it was going to be in BFA versus what it is are two different things, and I also don’t appreciate being told something by leadership regarding my position and then them not following through with their word.
outer dew
Sure
That's fine
Just apply somewhere else
It's a game, raid burn out is always a thing in wow
It's not terribly difficult getting into a guild
vagrant cape
@wary crystal the dot takes a while to fall off. Make sure you take 3 stacks max and stay in melee of zul until you need to leap out. That way you can keep generating rage for IP and maintain demo shout while the dot ticks. Leaping out last second also minimizes time away from healers. Call for specific externals if you need them. Don't just say, "external me". If you know you're going to die (healers feared, more than 3 stacks, etc) leap out as soon as you realize. Have anyone taunt the boss because it's better than instantly dropping a puddle on the raid. If you have a paladin you can leap out early and call for a Bop. It'll drop the stacks and the puddle instantly
@chilly brook the sooner you upload that guide the sooner more warriors will stop giving us a bad name and the sooner our perception will be fixed
And thus the sooner you get your raid spot. Easy.
I was listening to a prot warrior guide from a month ago for beginners that recommended the talent that makes IP shield more the lower your hp is. Fuck that shit, we need good guides. Not this generic bullshit I see all over YouTube that spends 20 minutes talking about why shield slam is important to press
raven kernel
anyone that comes here gets sorted out real quick
pretty much everyone from any class knows to go to their class discord to look for guides
idk where the prots are
vagrant cape
Most people will never go on reddit or use their class discord, but many do a quick Google, hate reading, and watch the first YouTube video to come up even if it's from an expansion sgo
And anyone who goes on reddit is probly not going to pick up prot for bfa because of the stigma
raven kernel
i know there are a whole bunch of people that dont come to class discords
daring marlin
That's fine to me. Fuck 'em when BDK and BrM get nerfed in 8.1 and we'll be buff af.
raven kernel
and they are pretty much lower end of the skill scale
so no surprise low skill + uninformed = terrible prot
sick sentinel
we dont need buffs though lol
daring marlin
Didn't say we needed buffs. We'll definitely get some tweaks, though.
same with druids
vagrant cape
Exactly, Rei. The guide I mentioned is labeled as a beginner guide that aims to take as many passive and automation as possible. And I was like, "No. Fucking no. The best recommendation for people of that skill level is to play BDK or BRM."
Because #TheyAreThe15%
Is 15% a meme yet? It should be
vagrant cape
So like fury warrior
Leveling brew was very unchill to me. Not having self healing feels awful for leveling
oblique garnet
im just doing dungeons
vagrant cape
Ew, but to each their own
oblique garnet
I leveled 4 characters doing quests so this is a bit change of pace ^^
oblique garnet
takes 15 min per dungeon give or take
unless you get motherlode with 4 bots in which case the last boss usually takes so long as you get all the 3 debuffs
drill smashs*
chilly brook
@vagrant cape it’ll be up before I go to sleep tonight, everything is already recorded just gotta add the finishing touches and do post work
neat harbor
any ElvUI boys know how do you make the elite icon appear on your target frame?
cant find how to show it
vagrant meadow
So I took a look at Marok's armory https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/malganis/Marokk and noticed that his vers stat is really low compared to mastery. I thought it's Haste/Vers/Mastery in that order?
raven kernel
crit/mastery have increased value in m+
amber siren
Plus you can't control drops
ember arrow
@vagrant meadow ilvl>stats
so if he didnt getspammed with high ilvl versa gear
then he equips what he can get
vagrant cape
And in the slot machine that is Wow, you go with whatever gear has the highest ilvl so that could just be what Marok got that's the best
vagrant meadow
gotcha
vagrant meadow
Thanks for clarifying
amber siren
Just call Marok a weeb and be done with it
vagrant meadow
Haha no way
obtuse venture
I thought mastery = vers
junior ivy
im just trying to learn levko
signal plover
Pushing the limits as always I see
gray river
Prot any good yet?
gray river
Are you getting my hopes up for fun
obtuse venture
We are about the same as DKs right now in terms of sustain. And also the new Heroic Grip is really useful in m+
neat harbor
brohirrim, how many ilvls was deafening crash deemed to be worth? like 25?
obtuse venture
arathi rares only drop ap
oblique garnet
damn
obtuse venture
acording to ion we are wasting gold reforging for only a few % of effectiveness though
zinc mauve
steel mauve
from a top .5% every little % of performance you can eek out is worth any bit of gold
neat harbor
"We are about the same as DKs right now in terms of sustain" come again?
@obtuse venture
"heroic grip"
I daresay thats a troll 😮
proud token
more like throw an axe and hide behind a wall until the trash gets there 😂
oblique garnet
Its the brand new ability we got it goes like paladins shield but it grips all the targets it hit max 7
smoky oak
U want grips?
Make TC pull mobs towards you but add a debuff which makes the mobs immune towards it for 1-2 mins
quasi flicker
no
fair crystal
sick sentinel
😬
halcyon goblet
Do we have any valid pawn strings for prot?
The only thing I can find regarding weights is that haste is best, but not by how much
steel mauve
no
all our stats are close together
so ilvl > haste > vers/mas > crit, but crits not that far behind
scenic dune
hey lads, getting into bfa after taking a break in legion, with the IP changes, am I correct in thinking that pressing revenge or IP is a choice between the two (assuming that you don't have a free revenge)
upbeat folio
Does anyone currently moonlight as a death knight?
scenic dune
seems that we don't generate nearly enough rage to afford casting both. Was only asking because my DPS numbers are great, but my hps is garbage because I'm hardly pressing ip
upbeat folio
@scenic dune This is an intentional design decision on the part of Blizzard. They want us to choose between damage or survivability.
It's a slight divergence from Legion, where it felt like we could have both.
scenic dune
yeah sweet, thanks for clarifying
steel mauve
you never use revenge unbles its free or you will cap ip and arent going to need the absorb from ip
scenic dune
yeah that's what I was thinking. only been doing normal so far where the damage is low, moving into heroic next reset and wanted to make sure I'm not gonna get my but blasted
mighty gulch
fierce juniper
vial and button
soft kindle
Don't think so, no
brittle timber
It's more annoying than bad
scenic dune
just gotta remember to press them, not too hard
obtuse venture
the button trinket is really annoying to use cause it's a targeting circle instead of just hitting your target and stuff around it.
chilly brook
@vagrant cape I'm sorry I lied, I didn't quite get it done tonight. However the rough cut is done and it works out to be about 25m long. Since I'm not finishing tonight I might as well take my time tomorrow and invest a little more time into making it a nice looking video.
inner onyx
if someone is using a good razdunk's macro i'd love to have it
brittle timber
#showtooltip
/cast [@player]Razdunk's Big Red Button
or you can change the @ to the cursor
that's the basic ground target macro....use it for heroic leap too
versed yacht
dont do the heroic leap @ player tho
brittle timber
i macroed it together with spirit bomb since they both had a wierd animation, not quite a cast time, thing
versed yacht
small delay for spirits to gather
peak compass
I just avoided trinkets and specs with weird targeting abilities. TIL, thanks warrior discord
sick sentinel
Secondaries posting? I'll join!
raven kernel
yeah i got a new boots
ilevel upgrade
and its vers/mastery
so i went up even more
sick sentinel
Wait what ilvl are you
raven kernel
380 equipped now
raven kernel
385
merry cave
Yeah I'm 375 with a 350 shield lol
ionic ridge
Depends on how/if our mastery changes
modern forum
I think we need some self sustain something like legion bracers
ionic ridge
What was their effect? (Didn't play)
ionic ridge
Sounds nice
vocal nimbus
10 rage 1% hp
ionic ridge
And how did it feel like?
past ledge
Hey guys, im prioritizing IL over stat but i think my stats are all messed up
oblique garnet
Try to get as much haste as you can
mellow bridge
ilvl > stats except for azerite, rings and trinkets
for Azerite you usually want the higher ilvl item as well but DC is obv a big exception
oblique garnet
I have a strong feeling i will not be able to replace my 340 shoulders before next tier since i am not having any luck with DC trait gear
sick sentinel
20% crit oh lord
oblique garnet
That depends entirely on if they change our mastery
oblique garnet
And how much IP does it actually give
oblique garnet
Would probably be good replacement for archive in the next tier
gray wolf
i wonder if you stack it if you would get 2 x a use of ip
or if you would get the value of 1.5 ip
hot locust
leaden kernel
our mastery is probably gonna increase the absorb or damage reduction on ignore pain
just my guess since it gives a free ignore pain, it would lead to some nice sinergy
sick sentinel
mastery gives attack power and IP is increased with attack power
so it is kind of synergizes in a way already
amber siren
AP and vers
brazen hound
Was a little hesitant about testing prot again after a guild mate said it felt "awful" compared to legion, and first impressions at 110 it doesn't feel too bad to me. Granted all of that may change once I hit 120 and lose all my haste/lego's
leaden kernel
its defiantly not as fun as it was in legion, but every button i press feels like it makes sense maybe not devastate but at least its a last got nothing else button
brazen hound
Agreed, I miss how "fast" the class felt in Legion (but I can say that about the majority of the classes really), however, for the most part, the attacks still feel "meaty" to me if that makes any sense.
brazen hound
lol
flying around and charging mobs also still feels pretty damn good. However, I dreadfully miss having 3 heroic leaps.
leaden kernel
avatar, demoralising shout, enough adds to rage cap every 3 seconds, spam thunder clap and revenge topping the dps meters
its what keeps be going in these dire times
leaden kernel
yeah it replaces battle cry as our new offensive
brazen hound
like holy shit
leaden kernel
it also generates 20 rage, and a talent turns it into a thunder clap machine
brazen hound
ah okay makes sense, but having shockwave baseline is really nice
gray wolf
it's a way better offensive if you ask me
brazen hound
hmmm I've been bouncing between DK and Warrior for a second tank for M+ and while DK is powerful, the gameplay just feels...too slow to me
leaden kernel
yeah cause crit fucking sucks if your attacks do no damage in the first place
brazen hound
lol true on that
gray wolf
i can't go and be a dps in a dungoen
every single fucking tank i get paired up with
is
so
fucking
slow
anyone else having this problem?
leaden kernel
iv enjoyed using bonestorm on DK but most of the time its either overkill or you never gonna save enough runic power to use it
brazen hound
yep my experience so far as well
leaden kernel
i havnt played dps with anyone besides a co tank from guild
brazen hound
granted, I should say that both my warrior and DK are low level so I can't say how they play at high end
brazen hound
I got a group of friends I typically roll with and I main as a tank.
christ
that current or old stats?
brazen hound
😮
brazen hound
geez
gray wolf
jsut swapped from dps
gray wolf
roll over and die
versed yacht
soulstone
gray wolf
ip and spell reflect
leaden kernel
spam ignore pain and run out of rage and die
brazen hound
yikes
leaden kernel
at least we have spell reflect
gray wolf
with multiple spells
brazen hound
soooo....scream for an external lol
leaden kernel
but lookout out for the prot warriors biggest foe, throw rock
brazen hound
my healers an MW monk
gray wolf
¨rocks
leaden kernel
gray wolf
ask for bubble
leaden kernel
heres a list on magic dmg and spell relfectable stuff
leaden kernel
the monk ball of shame
brazen hound
wait, really? lingering infection is reflectable O_o
leaden kernel
yeah but its gonna require some anopying coordination to use it properly
brazen hound
I don't remember which boss does that @gray wolf
leaden kernel
plus you pretty much usespell reflect on cooldown on vectis since he does so much magic damage
brazen hound
is that from the tree?
leaden kernel
lord and lady warcrest, there should be atabe at top of screen to change to the dungions
oblique garnet
Can also sr the ghuun corruption it casts
vapid pendant
hey guys im currently doing a +11 waycrest, and im getting smacked real hard by trio, how do prot warriors deal with magic damage?
gray wolf
lady waycrest @brazen hound ¨
leaden kernel
only the orb holding witch should be targeting you
brazen hound
ah ty
vapid pendant
okay ill try, cheers
oblique garnet
Also if you are getting owned by them maybe youre not moving when you should be
leaden kernel
i would recomend other stuff but if your doing a 11 your a little better than me
oblique garnet
This week is freeweek on m+
oblique garnet
Not really any hard dungeons
vapid pendant
shrine :^)
brazen hound
I'm afraid to do shrine, but can't learn how to run it effectively if I don't do it. Sooooo....here's to smashing my face against the wall there for a while
no rogue, lock nor mage in my comp currently RIP lol
leaden kernel
i just find a key level im comfortable to run with randoms a bunch of time, not caring about time but paying close attention to what goes on throughout the whole dungion
iv done each dungion at 6+ quite abit with randoms so i can carry guildies through sevens and highers, since they will listen and do exactly what i say
except shrine which iv only ever done a 2, not because im scared but just never bothered
brazen hound
Is it just me, or does ST at low level seem to be kind of slow, but if you've got a bunch of adds, you are a rage generating machine
leaden kernel
yeah you gain rage when hit
most dungion pulls give you more rage than you need, but single target you gotta play it smart
brazen hound
I noticed that
can't just spam your abilities and all
lost all of my UI recently, anyone have some suggestions for good WA's?
stone crag
WAs are mostly preferential, some essentials but others than those it's really what fits your ui better
brazen hound
hmm will have to look. I typically like having easy to monitor visual aids to see how much time/absorb I have left with IP and such.
mellow bridge
IP and Shieldblock tracker are in the pins
brazen hound
preciate it @mellow bridge browsing WAGO right now. If I was a better coder and so on with WA I'd just make a UI myself. Alas, I'm not that skilled with it lol
oblique garnet
Shrine isnt that hard imo its quite simple now that its not fortified
brazen hound
It's really just knowing what paths to take and how to deal with the various mobs.
Right now my group has a hard time just chesting keys.
not even high keys either, we failed the timer quite a few times on something as low as a +3-4 ~_~
Not having a dedicated 5th player and always having to PuG doesn't seem to be doing us any favors either
vagrant cape
The problem is that all the good players have no reason to pug anything lower than a 10 so pugs for lower keys and up being mediocre if you're lucky
brazen hound
pretty much
hoary surge
4 people should be enough to blast any key below 10 though, so that's not a pug issue
if you're struggling on low keys the best advice is to take it slow
just don't wipe and you'll pass the timer
brazen hound
Oh not saying it is a PuG issues lol. It most certainly is us mainly. But having to PuG and adding an additional variable that we can't control likely won't help us. That said, pathing, interrupts among other things are issues I know we're still sorting out
hoary surge
if you're failing keys in a wipeless run your dps is probably terrible or undergeared
brazen hound
average dps at 350 has been around 8-9k?
primal crypt
@brazen hound do you use method dungeon tools
brazen hound
Ret pally and Spriest
primal crypt
helps to plan out the routes
brazen hound
@primal crypt I do
hoary surge
oof
primal crypt
that's good
brazen hound
well just started
brazen hound
been looking at the dungeons and trying to plan out more optimal paths
oblique garnet
They are definitely not the strongest
primal crypt
not the best, but they can work
hoary surge
they're both really low on dps
brazen hound
We do tend to take a long time killing some things sadlyt
hoary surge
I might take one, but both? In every run? That's a bad time
brazen hound
our spriest is considering switching to an affliction lock
the 5th player is still a wild card sadly
primal crypt
Locks are good
hoary surge
that's significantly better for utility but it won't up overall dps much
gates and soulstones are cool
amber siren
a ret or a spriest wouldn't be the reason why'd you deplete a 4 though, like don't just expect to reroll and clear 15 +3s
brazen hound
likely not. I personally would like a rogue
primal crypt
Rogues/DH
mellow bridge
I agree with Rybie here
mellow bridge
Ret and SPriest isnt the reason they're failing those keys
brazen hound
@amber siren nope, it's not just a comp issue, it's also pulling too many mobs, wiping to stupid shit among other things
primal crypt
fantastic...
hoary surge
it's not the sole reason, but they're underpowered, undergeared, and likely underskilled
brazen hound
not interrupting things that make mobs harder to kill (Such as Spirited defense in WM)
we've got many problems, least of all class but individual skill I think
hoary surge
if you're good, sure
mellow bridge
+5 literally drops 355 at the end
brazen hound
Our healer still is getting adjusted and still needs to be more aware of his surroundings. just today he got annihilated on a +5 due to the OHK spell the first boss does in Underrot if you don't dodge it
brazen hound
that ultimately caused us to wipe on the first boss since we didn't have a Bres
mellow bridge
Anyway sounds like you guys just need to work on your knowledge of the dungeons and on awareness
Try to get a kick rotation that you follow at all times between you three
The WA kick tracker is very helpful for that
brazen hound
pretty much. funny you should mention the WA tracker, we just got that today.
mellow bridge
Good
now before you run your next key, it'd probably be useful if all of you watched or read a small guide about it
brazen hound
I've thought of trying to assign duties to each before, but not sure how that would work in practice.
mellow bridge
just to actually know what everything does
Trash abilities are just as important if not more important than boss abilities depending on the week
brazen hound
I know I've watched several videos, not sure about my friends though.
Seems like many times they rely on me to know what the mobs do.
mellow bridge
Method for example has decent short videos about each dungeon on their youtube channel
Make them watch those gg
and assigning roles can work, if you mean what I think you do
brazen hound
Yeah, I've been watching those and reading fatboss' guides personally
mellow bridge
in big pulls with several important mobs, I tend to fast mark some of them and say "rogue kicks X, DK kick purple, I will kick blue, after our kicks I will aoe stun to cancel them all again then use your cc to cancel yourself again"
e.g. in Shrine on the bridge at the end that would be very useful if you dont skip those
or in some Tol Dagor pulls
etc etc
brazen hound
yeah that's basically what I was thinking of doing
we have two monks so double RoP and LS should be able to get a good chunk of the CC and interrupts on the mobs that need it
unless they're a immune (damn witches in WCM)
oblique garnet
I dont get why they swap how manor goes during the week
They switched which doors are open etc somewhere between friday and today
oblique garnet
We had 3 +10s which we did on friday and they were the same all the time
So idk if it changes daily or what
tall wadi
Is it possible to track the damage you did with spell reflect in logs?
brazen hound
Stupid question for Waycrest. On the coven of witches or whatever they're called. you should be maintaining agro on all 3 correct?
brazen hound
@tender imp grats!
tender imp
nice meme
brazen hound
lawls
amber siren
if they're not holding the orb then they just cast randomly afaik
brazen hound
@amber siren I didn't know that hmmm
amber siren
but if they pick it up and you don't have aggro they'll immediately go and punch someone, plus there's not really any situation where you won't naturally get aggro from keeping them together anyway
don't want to seperate otherwise just makes interrupting harder
brazen hound
roger
oblique garnet
just keep interrupting the one who holds the orb since that does the most damage
brazen hound
makes sense. ty
past ledge
Hey guys, whats the kill order in underroot right side bridge ?
brazen hound
right side? doesn't it change?
My groups typically CC one of the casters, focus down the matron and then clean up the other caster
then kill the befouled spirit and then the priest as you go move down the path
vagrant cape
In all of underrot you should only ever kill 2 matrons; one in the beginning and one that patrols a bridge. After the patrol is killed I clump up the priest and the 2 melee dudes onto the big eyeball thing and just aoe them down while making sure to interrupt dark reconstitution and harrowing despair. We don't kick gift as we usually have a mage that can spell steal it
tardy pagoda
Hardest Mythics this week?
Easiest are for sure ML and FH
WC is also really speedy
oblique garnet
all seem pretty fast this week
amber siren
temple can be p unforgiving with snake vomit/stun combo and electricity dude needs to be p much perfect
tardy pagoda
i think the timer might be a little short on tos
def had wipes on snake guy 8+ mostly cause the fight is so long
and elec boss wipes if you get 1 person who doesnt know
also, im talking about pugs, obviosly different with guild runs
mellow bridge
Maybe I've had bad luck with healers but waycrest the witches boss seems pretty hard
ToS can be hard if people dont know what to do
tardy pagoda
do yall feel like there is some hate out there for prot warrior? even with 371 gear and 752io score i get declined pretty reg
tardy pagoda
9/10
mellow bridge
Yeah 700 for 10 is kinda low
steel mauve
community perception is shit for us currently
youll get declined just because warrior
tardy pagoda
look at the times tho, its hard to get higher io when you get seclined even with 3x 9s in double time
gray wolf
there's a stigma to warrior, we're shit until proven good
mellow bridge
You need to do those low keys and get em higher
Not getting into 10s with 700score is not surprising
Get UR and Boralus up to like +9
gray wolf
i mean i'm not getting into some keys in the 10 range
mellow bridge
even just getting em up one level each step by step will help a lot
chrome falcon
@oblique garnet I don't think you should interrupt the one holding the orb
@oblique garnet Yes it does the most damage, but it does that damage to the tank. It's the dps and healer who are at risk on that fight, not really the tank
Plus being able to SR the high damage bolts on you is a big deal. Does about 5% of their hp which is 10% of a phase which is a big deal on higher difficulties where that boss is hellish to heal
mellow bridge
@gray wolf I have 1k score and I get declined from time to time as well, but there are two problems at hand
One is fixable, the other isnt
Low score + bad perception obv wont get taken
so at least get the score higher
amber siren
I mean, both problems are fixable by not pugging
unfortunately if you pug, you play by their rules
gray wolf
that reminds me of this whisper i got the other day which i found quite funny
cus i don't know how to interpret it
mellow bridge
lmao
sick sentinel
feel the love ❤
gray wolf
i feel like
you get more of them messages
as a prot warrior
than any other tank
when you do good
tall wadi
everyone is surprised by prot being good
because the spec is being memed as unplayable while its actually rock solid
gray wolf
i had a hunter call me a retard at the start of the dungeon then apologize and say i'm a good tank at the end
feelsgoodman
tall wadi
every single guildie healer I did a m+ with first spoke out his concerns about me tanking
but by the second boss they just go full dps because they notice they can
gray wolf
i wonder what "Defensive buffs" we'll get in the "near future"
pallid hollow
I would assume i am not the only one that had problem with Prot warr Rotation right? I feel like the shield slam proc and Devastate doesn't feel good, or am i just too used with Devastator back in Legion
brazen hound
I'm still adjusting, but isn't devastator spammable now?
uneven mason
Devastator?
steel mauve
devestate, but you dont spam it
you actually rarely use it
just whenever you have a "free" gcd, which is roughly every 6-8 gcd's
primal crypt
you guys know the pull in Siege
second to last boss
where you pull the boss and grab all the mobs at once
prot warrior....is the most op thing ever for that
brazen hound
oops sorry, yes, Devestate*
primal crypt
Devastate
brazen hound
argh, it's like 1am and I can't type apparently
primal crypt
mellow bridge
Yes devastate is spammable but youre not gonna use it a whole lot
especially in dungeons
brazen hound
I figured it was just a filler spell like most other tanks. Considering it's not a major rage generator, I typically used it as mentioned before. Whenever I don't have something else that I can/need to press.
so when IP/SB uptime is fine and everything else is on CD 😕
steel mauve
plus it does less damage than your melee
brazen hound
didn't notice that, will have to look for it when I log back in. In the meantime. sleepy sleepy ~_~
Take care ya'll
steel mauve
i mean they should rename it to deveslap instead of devestate, because it aint devestating nothing
tall wadi
I'd like for devastate to become an off gcd rage dump
would give the spec something its kinda missing while removing a almost pointless button
wintry marsh
Is lingering sporepods (365) any good for tanking? got 370 rezan and blockades
half merlin
stay with the 2 345 or swap one?
wintry marsh
also got 340 jes howler and 360 kraulog claw
half merlin
dropping so much haste fels weirdman
primal crypt
Rezan/Block
oblique garnet
Yamorino if you leave the spotter alive before the 3rd boss in siege you can use the artillery barrage to kill the adds with ease
primal crypt
@oblique garnet oh yeah I know, but I'm saying, all my other tanks it's a bit iffy
but good god my warrior is a beast
oblique garnet
The bleed hurts like a mf
primal crypt
poison too
between rolling stuns, spotter dmg, etc.
prot warrior felt good
@half merlin
oblique garnet
Only 15% haste?🤔
half merlin
with no into the fray thing
the 345 ring gives me like flat 4-5% more tho so thats why i was wondering its upgrade
oblique garnet
Its only 62 stam so i wouldnt change
ember arrow
@oblique garnet playing bfa and looking at specific secandaries 
370 ring ofc
25 ilvl
@half merlin
fierce jackal
Can one of you prot amigos who is logged in tell me how much armor you have atm?
fierce jackal
Tyty
junior ivy
yw
cinder pasture
Are you sure you're in prot there @junior ivy ? That armor seems a bit low 😛
oak heart
i have 8240 armour
half merlin
half merlin
noted. thanks boys
primal crypt
@oblique garnet would love to have more haste...but the drops I've been getting are less than ideal...
oblique garnet
Gotta spam those m+
primal crypt
what you think I've been doing lol
I haven't touched ap quests in forever
still at a 25 almost 26 neck
M+ is for AP farming
didn't you know?
oblique garnet
+11 gives what 280?
primal crypt
iono
graceful mason
I just did an LFR to play around with Devastator and boy does it feel strange now
Dev + Hvy Repercussions heh
got up to 60% shield block uptime though so thats cool
primal crypt
Keep going @graceful mason you need 100%
graceful mason
no.. thats enough of that spec for awhile
primal crypt
LUL
graceful mason
it honestly doesnt even feel good to play
pulsar olive
will they rework prot warrs or will they keep destroying us
pulsar olive
I loved prot warr mid to end of legion, still love it but the hate on prot warrs is immense. I had less problems tanking hfetid than a pala, dudu or dk in my groups and they were all 10 ilevels above me
primal crypt
it's ok, you're still able to do what you need to do
even with the hate
just wait
8.1
pulsar olive
thank you for the kind words 😄
pulsar olive
im not, even rune tap didnt help him
took 4 pulls for him to decide to either tank boss or off tank it
ember arrow
Then hes bad
pulsar olive
prolly
pulsar olive
he said its going to help him, I dont know xd
pulsar olive
ds ftw? 😄
ember arrow
Thats useless data
You need to see effective healing received
I stack passive talents to get me to 355k hp
Ez
pulsar olive
been a while so perhaps I dont remember exactly, but I know that looking at the stats he got more heals from them than I did
ember arrow
Total healing isnt htps
But regardless. He was objectively bad
And i pref they buff weaker tanks and not nerf strong ones
pulsar olive
any tips on zulh, tho I think im dpsing him tonight
sick sentinel
kill adds fast. dont get cleaved. interrupt casts. do good DPS.
brazen sequoia
So some guy said that I should pick higher ilvl azerite pieces rather than 345 (upgraded from 340) even if the traits are utter shit, because str+stamina is better than any traits. Anyone can confirm this?
brazen sequoia
I have 2x Brace for Impact and 1x Deafening Crash
ember arrow
Dc is only one worth dropping ilvl for
brazen sequoia
Alright
minor folio
analog pendant
Should I go for never surrender on zul?
or the 10% one? Dont know if the bolster one is worth it
chrome harbor
Basically if your going to be taking damage of any kind you want bolster
Think we’ll get a talent mix up in 8.1?
chrome falcon
it overlapped all 3 times for me
mossy cairn
Is DC still worth +30 ilvl ?
grim prism
It's worth more than that
mossy cairn
sigh been sitting on 370 shoulders for a month because of this trait
daring marlin
I was still using my 340 instead of a 385 cuz of DC for a while.
Then I got 370 from the emissary so that was neat
Seemed like a whole bunch of us did that day lol
mossy cairn
Uh, must have missed that one
tall wadi
does iron fortress have an internal cooldown of some sort?
is the damage in any way relevant for dungeons?
mossy cairn
EU/US ? Horde/Ally ?
primal crypt
US HORDE
mossy cairn
Damn
primal crypt
Rest in rip
mossy cairn
:\
junior ivy
risky click from a random person ive never spoken to before
but it was a very cute cat.
primal crypt
you clicked it....?
primal crypt
the hell...
junior ivy
grey and white
primal crypt
oh naw
jagged bay
xD
little orchid
i think there is a reason why thunder clap should be used prior to shield slam while avatar is up, but i totally fogot why. can someone give me a hint, please?
brittle timber
Unstoppable Force...Deafening Crash...take your pick
junior ivy
is demo shout up too
or jkust avatar
just
if demo shout is up you wanna TC as much as possible
fair ingot
its just jpg ;-;
tall wadi
TC is more threat LUL
primal crypt
😂
lavish oracle
What prot warrior WeakAura is everyone using? I'm kinda getting tired of mine and wanted to try some new ones out
sick sentinel
None, I look at classic Blizzard action bar
lavish oracle
Grrrroosssss
sick sentinel
I'm the same like sag, I dislike WA, seems to handleholdish to me
I dont use WAs.
I just smack everything with my shield.
and suddenly so much pain ignore
shield block everything
nothing hurts.
(no sarcasm)
It does not do anything my eyes can't already pay attention to
ya
lavish oracle
I just prefer to have all the information centralized
And regardless, the default action bar is gross
sick sentinel
Just get more time in and u'll devolp proper muscle memory
I used to play without seeing my bars during Legion because I already knew the timing and everything
Had to turn it back on because gcd
Not only that but add-ons that aren't dbm tend to cause people to fall back too much on it
lavish oracle
When did I say this stuff isn't muscle memory? I don't need it to tell me when to push buttons, I just want to be able to tell how everything's doing at a glance in the center of my screen instead of checking 4 different places
sick sentinel
That's muscle memory, u know when to do something without having to be told or shown it
ember arrow
@sick sentinel uhhhhh. If u can play with blizz crap ui. Thats actually impressive
Why is it bad if a wa shows it
U dont get bonus points for not using addons
sick sentinel
I'm not gonna criticize a person for using
lavish oracle
Seems like you are
sick sentinel
If I was I'd have called u a bad player
I'm not idiotic to know people depend on adds but that can become a problem when they break or something happens
lavish oracle
It's really not that big a deal when the break because I know how to play the class. I just like a cleaner layout than what Blizzard gives me
because Blizzard's UI is bad
sick sentinel
They do from time to time, due to loading in or not working
sick sentinel
Oh I understand trust me the UI of basic blizzard UI is trash
ember arrow
Twitch updates them automatically though
lavish oracle
Yeah, but the creator's don't always update them
happened with a lot of my addons after 8.0
sick sentinel
And even then it can bug
Had a lock, who's UI was bugged duirng a WM today
So he had to zone in and out
ember arrow
Wm?
lavish oracle
Waycrest
sick sentinel
^
lavish oracle
It doesn't take more than 15 seconds to disable addons and reload my ui
sick sentinel
Im not him so he didn't tell us until halfway
Lucky for us he's a lock so we just summoned him back
The healer said the same thing too lev
And this how my ui looks, blizzard ui is Garbo because I like to have minimal on my screen
But that's just changing the appearance of the UI to have everything at the bottom
ember arrow
Those icons still tinier than my self esteem
sick sentinel
I just need an add-on that makes party and raid frames small
lavish oracle
I mean...that's more or less what most weak auras do, it puts the important information from your ability bars and health bar in the center of the screen. The only new information they give is IP tracking for the most part
sick sentinel
Can't have a bad UI if u don't play the game
sick sentinel
Lol
I just want get rid of party and raid frame, I put the healer on focus when in dung's and the other tank when in raid
Otherwise I hide the raid
Or party
tall wadi
lmao what
ember arrow
He wants to see the beautiful azerite armor
In 4k
Tiersets were bad anyway noone liked then
lavish oracle
How will you know when to use your beautiful rallying cry?
sick sentinel
What I do is just do a quick Ctrl v see the health of people and laugh and don't use it
sick sentinel
3 other warriors in my raid but im the only I think uses rc
Oh that's why I barely use that lol
If I have to it's cause I'm zoned out
Or bored
red sun
resounding protection or impassive visage? 🤔
sick sentinel
Both are pretty good, depends on what u like more
problem with visage is that it can proc when ur full health
and the problem with resound is that its every 30 seconds
boreal depot
Now that 100 horde guilds cleared mythic do they open it up immediately for cross realm or is this something that has to be announced?
Anyone know...
primal crypt
No party frames???
Jesus...
Especially as prot??
Jesus...
No weakauras????
Jesus...
Blizzard action bars???
Jesus....
sick sentinel
@primal crypt im not a healer, i care little about my dps health, thats the healers focus
I am not blind to shit on the floor or aoe but thats also on the person to move from not getting hit from shit on the floor not me
primal crypt
🤣
broken roost
Swirling sands vs Reinforced plating? Neither is particularly exciting to me
earnest zinc
Apparently we aren't viable until AT LEAST 8.1
lavish oracle
Some PUG giving you shit?
earnest zinc
After this shit, we deserve to be at the top or at least near it
They are the worst tank in Uldir by a significant margin
earnest zinc
Every tank but us got a mythic G'hunn kill
Also we are the lowest represented by a large margin
lavish oracle
Even Limit's GM has said that Prot has its strengths in the raid
There's just no reason to take a prot warrior over a monk
earnest zinc
Prot Warriors are pretty much banned from tanking mythic Uldir on my server
Unless you are the GM's buddy
lavish oracle
I don't know that representation necessarily says all that much about our viability in such a small sample, especially given the community perception
It mostly just shows how unpopular we are
ember arrow
Bears are worse
ember arrow
Nice argument
Because bears are leftover from legion. Also no tank is unplayable in m raiding
earnest zinc
Guilds that high would have benched them if they were worse
Honestly, just reroll DK or Monk and help your guild progress
ember arrow
M ghuun u must have a monk. So thats 1 spot
Tanking is by far the easiest role
If u got trouble surviving in raids
lavish oracle
BDK is definitely not better than prot in raid, in my experience
Except for utility
ember arrow
Lets not get ahead of ourselves buddy
lavish oracle
100% possible
ember arrow
Bdk in uldir is really steong
lavish oracle
My damage taken is always way lower than BDKs factoring in self-healing
lavish oracle
???
ember arrow
Metigation tank metigates more dmg
earnest zinc
That's a bad BDK
lavish oracle
factoring in self-healing
ember arrow
Theyre easy to heal though
That kinda is irrelevant
They take most dmg of all tanks excluding stagger
astral crystal
wtf
late to the fun but what
the only time since TBC warr has been viable was legion?
wew lad
ember arrow
200iq
ember arrow
Tanks are never unplayable in recent raids. But some are better than others
Saying you physically cant tank m raid is wrong
ember arrow
Such a raid doesnt exist
lucid kelp
yet
earnest zinc
Try getting in a mythic guild as prot warrior
lucid kelp
I need blizz to make such a raid for my pun to work
ember arrow
@earnest zinc community perception/memes isnt viability
astral crystal
really wish the vast majority of people that play this game weren't troglodytes tbh
lucid kelp
im technically in a mythic guild as a prot warrior.......technically...I mean..3/8 is still 3/8.
ember arrow
Dont get me wrong. I hate what they did to prot. But im not here shouting theyre unplayable
astral crystal
there's always someone hopped up on scomegaluls trying to score some scopoints coming in here talking about how bad prot is
it's the way of the world
so they can be like their favorite world 1st streamer who tells them how and what to play :^))
ember arrow
I dint even play it since bfa came out. But i dislike doomsayimg
lavish oracle
I wish I could block rocks
clear sapphire
We should have a magic block value tied into block rating. I mean we have a shield in front of us.
lavish oracle
I'm pretty sure it's a magic shield too. Mine has a big screaming ghost face on the front.
lavish oracle
All tape is magic
lucid kelp
realtalk..should I spend 400k on Black ops 4?
ember arrow
@lucid kelp bleed stacks from where
astral crystal
when can we spend blizzardbux on tuition
chrome falcon
https://gyazo.com/b348eca0b7578d5212d0d8c474f4d1aa @shut summit Thanks for all the tips bro, the student has become the master 😃
lucid kelp
Levko the little...bug...tick things....in Underrot...the ones I could just Leap away from but I always forget and then die.
lucid kelp
are they all skippable?
ember arrow
yes
lucid kelp
I have to look at my routing...XD
ember arrow
not a single one is pulled
fervent harness
i heard bears are really good with pulling the ticks
lavish oracle
Yeah, I pull them with the maggots, it's not that bad
ember arrow
bears in m+
lavish oracle
Well, not on tyrannical, anyways
Probably will not be pulling them next week
Unless one of my DPS butt pulls them
chrome falcon
Ticks are super easy after the nerf
lavish oracle
Which they will
lucid kelp
See I didn't even know they got nerfed
lavish oracle
Anyone else having fun with the ridiculous amounts of volcanic on the final boss of UR?
lucid kelp
not actually done an UR this week. Is the final boss bugged or something with volcanic?
ember arrow
the adds
broken roost
just a million adds
ember arrow
spawn volcaniv
i loved in legion, where explosives spawned explosives
i think they still do
ember arrow
tbh explosives should have 1 hp
daring marlin
@ember arrow You main DK, right?
ember arrow
you could say that