protection

[sharp dew]

To be fair shimmering haven isn’t too bad, have it on my pally so its kinda stacked with consecration and the pool is big enough to be out of bad on the floor

[sand egret]

love me some lifespeed

[sick sentinel]

Remember to always lifespeed and if someone says to try anything but lifespeed slap them in the hand

[sand egret]

Shimmering Haven shoulda been a bonus you get that persists for as long as you stand still, not a pool on the ground. But it's just odd how they implemented that VFX

[frosty wedge]

earthlink is like, 35 str on average, so it's like adding almost a gem slot to your azerite piece

I like it >< lol

[uneven mason]

that pool tho

its sexy

just yeah....sanguine weeks

[sick sentinel]

EarthLink needs to stop being in gear, I'd rather die then earthlink

[frosty wedge]

Yeah no I refuse to take shimmering haven

lol

[next goblet]

my road to being top geared prot warrior on my server is going nicely

after putting those rings on im up to 364 lol

highest prot war on the server just broke 370 i think

[sand egret]

I did the KR first boss the other day and had to constantly remind myself that I was in a "good" gold puddle

[frosty wedge]

lol my warrior and monk have been sitting at 365 for like 3 weeks without upgrades

[next goblet]

think i can handle a +10? i have a 345 AD shield

[sick sentinel]

I'm almost breaking 370, if it weren't for my 355 gloves

[frosty wedge]

yes. I tanked a +10 at like 350 or 355?

[sick sentinel]

If ur near 370 yeah 10+ keys will be fine for u

[next goblet]

nice

[sick sentinel]

A higher ilvl shield would be better but ull be fine

[next goblet]

my guildi wants to farm some 10s today and hes like "bring your DK" and i go "dude... its only 351"

[chilly brook]

I feel like I’m the only person who thinks that haven is ok

[sick sentinel]

Ask them how much the look at reddit

[chilly brook]

And doesn’t have an issue with it

[sick sentinel]

Ur not the only

It's not hard to tell what is what and why it's really good

[chilly brook]

^

[sick sentinel]

Just lifespeed exists

[chilly brook]

Then again I also assumed every prot warrior liked Zek’voz and I was proven wrong last night

[frosty wedge]

yeah fuzzy, that 351 DK will have no trouble with 10s either, lol

[sick sentinel]

No u see

He can heal

Therefore, problem solved

[chilly brook]

I can heal too

As long as my DPS lets me get the killing blow

[next goblet]

but lyke

[frosty wedge]

lol

[next goblet]

prot war is love prot war is lyfe

[chilly brook]

xD

Or as long as I have a tank mechanic that requires stacking and we sacrifice one DPS to the damage

Like on Mythic taloc

🙃

[sick sentinel]

I mean the best dung warriors can heal is UR, esp the last boss

[uneven mason]

lol UR last boss with Crackling Thunder

[chilly brook]

You mean the one I solo’d? @sick sentinel

https://youtu.be/p4rwd_Sr_pc

[uneven mason]

yeah

that dude is a joke

all the DPS is like ERMAHGADWDIDED

and I'm like "Victory Rush? Thunderclap!, Victory Rush? Thunderclap!"

secred is

stacking

all the poofs in 1 spot

the titan dude kills the angry adds

light thingy wipes out the shit under you pretty often

Crackling keeps the others at bay

instead you get flipperhands running around spreading shit allovdr the place

[chilly brook]

That vid actually cracks me up

The pally bop’d me without saying anything

So the boss goes and kills all the DPS

And it’s like “why would you bop me I don’t need it”

[uneven mason]

Just cause

mebbie he was pissed off

that you beat him in DPS

[astral crystal]

what's that article say

it's not in FREEDOM

[sick sentinel]

Jesus wants a hug

[astral crystal]

the only language skyhold speaks

[sand egret]

I thought we communicated by stomping our feet?

[next goblet]

^^

[sick sentinel]

Ah the ceremony of feet stomping

[next goblet]

i love this community lol

[strange depot]

anywhere i can go to see good azurite traits for prot? im very casual with my tanking

[sand egret]

yep

the pins

[next goblet]

oh yea last night my guild got the heroic zul progression kill finally

[sick sentinel]

Check the guide resources

[next goblet]

and i got 385 bracers

[sand egret]

Up top to the right

if your casual then you really need to just worry about getting one piece with Deafening Crash

other than that it really won't affect you much whatever you choose

[uneven mason]

@strange depot no such thing as casual prot, requires 99% of the human brain to operate the spec

[sick sentinel]

I want some better gloves that aren't 355 cause I have everything at 365 and higher

[sand egret]

99% is casual. 99.9% is focused

[uneven mason]

But yeah, read the guide

too true Blade

[sand egret]

this ain't BrM bud

[uneven mason]

99% is 60% mitigation, 99.9% is 81% mitigation, 98.9% is fucking dead.

[sick sentinel]

Maybe it's just me but prot warrior has always been easy to play to point where I can turn my brain off

[sand egret]

real talk: i ran a dungeon back to back with the same healer and the first time I was on the phone tanking and half paying attention

[uneven mason]

Found the dude who hasn't Prott'd in BFA

[sand egret]

the second time not so

my healer was like....dude did you not wear armor the first time?

[tranquil kraken]

Lol

[uneven mason]

"I HIT REVENGE HHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[sand egret]

for me it's

[mellow bridge]

Any circlejerk here about prots difficulty?

oh

found it

[sand egret]

ANNNNND I just blew a SB charge during LS

[uneven mason]

I Mean

[sick sentinel]

Well playing prot is like feral to me

[sand egret]

im gonna feel that in about 18 seconds

[sick sentinel]

I have it down to musle memory

[uneven mason]

Yes, playing prot is like feral

once you get it

you get it

but learning it is like playing soccer with rocks

[sand egret]

best advice I can give to any new prot from personal experience is. Slow.the.fuck.down.

[sick sentinel]

Well if u have no teacher or poor guides yeah

[tranquil kraken]

Yeah, i think my most common mistake at this point is hitting SB when i should be saving the charge

[uneven mason]

you're at step 5 than!

[sick sentinel]

Once u have shield block past the 12 sec CD recharge u don't really have to worry about making that mistake

[strange depot]

we trust Icy Veins these days? scarey

[sand egret]

also, I started rolling with Stormbolt over Rumbling Earth

holy fuck was I wrong

[sick sentinel]

Going SB or Re?

[tranquil kraken]

What's the other one on that row?

[sand egret]

Menace

[sick sentinel]

A talent that should be removed because who the fuck uses that shit

[sand egret]

i'd use it if it didn't have an 8yrd range

[sick sentinel]

I'd use if I want to sodomize myself

But I dont

[mellow bridge]

yeah I've swapped to SB as well last week

[tranquil kraken]

Right that one

[mellow bridge]

it's rly good

[sand egret]

it's a bit lackluster, sure. But I generally feel like the concept of "run around crazy while feared" is a bit outdated of a concept in WoW

[mellow bridge]

I asked Sense about it too, he said take SB if you have at least one more AoE stun in your grp

and since I got a MW, I decided to try it

and I really like it

[sick sentinel]

I like stormbolt but because RE exists I found it to be pointless

[sand egret]

for me the biggest thing is another button to stop shit with

[sick sentinel]

A lot of classes with stuns, do's and also aoe stuns

[tranquil kraken]

I want a ranged interrupt not a ranged stun :/

[mellow bridge]

I've found the stun to be more useful than the CD reduction on shockwave

[sand egret]

Gag Order would be epic in that row

[tranquil kraken]

Yeah

[mellow bridge]

With proper pulls you dont need the CD imho

[sick sentinel]

Well the problem also becomes why do u need that stun

If it's because ur dps is lackluster, well

Not ur do but ur groups dps

[mellow bridge]

wut

You dont need a stun because your dps is too bad

[chilly brook]

@strange depot when you say casual what do you mean? Because if I’m being honest prot isn’t very conducive to casual play

[mellow bridge]

You need a stun because it's a high key and CC is super valuable

[sand egret]

prob similar to me Griff

[sick sentinel]

Problem is, most classes have a stun

[sand egret]

casual as in, doesn't raid or hit this game at a regular frequency

[sick sentinel]

Just double check your group/available stuns.

[tranquil kraken]

I raid every week like clockwork but consider myself casual lol

[chilly brook]

Yea casual is very broad

And means different things to different people

[sand egret]

yeah it's a super loose term

[sick sentinel]

More than likely wouldn't hurt thought, always a single mob of some sort needing a ST stun extra cast interrupt.

[sand egret]

SB just means flexibility to me

[chilly brook]

Like to me casual basically means “I play the game but I don’t care about my performance at all”

[uneven mason]

Yeah

that is really waht it means

[sand egret]

I disagree

[tranquil kraken]

To me casual means "I play the game but I'm not racing anyone"

[sand egret]

this ^

[tranquil kraken]

I care about my performance plenty

[sick sentinel]

Having that storm bolt + SW for group casts interrupts.

[uneven mason]

I think casual is not joining a structure raid team

its being part of a guild, but only so you have folks to talk to

[chilly brook]

Like I said it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people

[sand egret]

like, yeah I should have my rings enchanted....but I don't have the gold and don't wanna farm for it right now. My performance is gonna hurt but i'm not out there min/maxing

[tranquil kraken]

But I'm not interested in putting in the effort to get server firsts etc, like our guild never has and never will kick someone for performance reasons

[sand egret]

that's my kinda "casual"

[uneven mason]

Its running random heroics or mythic 0s with friends only

[sick sentinel]

Idk SB has been bad for me now that RE exists esp since Maj of groups I go in have a stun, maybe not a aoe but at least 1 extra stun

[wild atlas]

Casual to Slootbag is top 20 in guild race vs top 3

Different for everyone

[sick sentinel]

And I dislike having SB, SW or someone else's stun not work or DR

[tranquil kraken]

Yeah

Exactly lol

[sick sentinel]

Otherwise I'd just kite if that's the case

[chilly brook]

TBH I like the reduction on shockwave

But that’s probably because I’m just too lazy to have a separate keybind for another stun

[sand egret]

haha i've been there

got your bars all set up nice....

and that one fucking talent aint on it....

picks the passive talent instead

[astral crystal]

i think the only thing i'd miss from horde

is warstomp

it's nice to have two stuns sat your discretion

at*

[chilly brook]

I’m sure

[uneven mason]

Warstomp was nice

[chilly brook]

But I really just don’t wanna do a shift+q bind

[sand egret]

this dark iron racial is everything to me now

hahah no way

[uneven mason]

the Highmountain charge, while fun initially, generally is the cause of some "whoops" pulls

[sand egret]

mine is literaly on Shift Q

hahah

[uneven mason]

like monks who roll off the fucking platform

[astral crystal]

dude i want to be dark iron so bad

[chilly brook]

Q is my normal stun bind

[astral crystal]

yoo my shift q is shield wall monkaS

[chilly brook]

shift+q would be my secondary stun

Middle mouse is my shield wall

[limber wigeon]

shift+q is spell reflect, q is shield block

[sand egret]

like, it's extremely satisfying to be able to just drop a gnarly bleed

[chilly brook]

Or rather mouse wheel click

[uneven mason]

did someone say, Dark Iron?

[sand egret]

I gotta get a SS of my spicey boi now

[uneven mason]

My wife made me go Horde

[astral crystal]

my mouse wheel click is rallying

[chilly brook]

My r is shield block lol

[uneven mason]

Erm alliance

what are these hotkeys you speak of?

I have everything bound to my side buttons

[past ledge]

mouse wheel down is spell reflect -_-

[astral crystal]

i want one of those razer hex mice so bad

[sand egret]

Naga?

[uneven mason]

on that Razer naga

[astral crystal]

the wheel buttons seem nice

[sand egret]

helll yeah boi

[uneven mason]

yeah Naga trinity

omnomnom

[sand egret]

i will NEVER play WoW without it

[uneven mason]

I'm using the V2 sidepanel

[chilly brook]

I got the Logitech version of the naga

[sand egret]

i honestly can't anymore haha

[chilly brook]

Cheaper and probably better tbh

[uneven mason]

G600 is nice

[sand egret]

well my naga was from like 2012 or ssome shit

[astral crystal]

i'm on a steelseries sensei, works pretty well

[limber wigeon]

I don't like the naga for rts games, so now I have a normal mouse

[chilly brook]

Razor you’re just paying for the brand

[uneven mason]

I'm a gorilla though, so that 3rd click really messes with me

mine is free

[astral crystal]

razor makes decent hardware, no more or less durable than competitors in general

but they do have a brand price premium

[chilly brook]

Yea

[sand egret]

I dunno Griff, the ergonomics of the naga are quite nice

[limber wigeon]

normal binds work well enough, easier to spam too

[chilly brook]

I find the ergonomics of the g600 to be better

[sand egret]

I haven't used the comps tho

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But I have big hands

[sand egret]

ahh, mine ain't huge

[uneven mason]

I've gotten 3 Razer mice for free

[sand egret]

but I use that mouse for only when I play WoW too. I tried "doing" my rotation with the 1-9 keys and it was baaad

[uneven mason]

they stand behind their warranty

[astral crystal]

1-9 is unplaybale

[sick sentinel]

Hm

[astral crystal]

1-5 max

[sand egret]

well that row is what I mean but yeah

[sick sentinel]

Should change my mousewheel.

[sand egret]

i never go beyond 5 haha

[uneven mason]

1-7 on the side, ctrl mod

[sick sentinel]

Used to be devastate+shield block

[uneven mason]

I have some mouseover macros setup as well

using the sidekeys

[sick sentinel]

But I dont devastate at all these days

[sand egret]

yeah I have that for my focus intercepts

[chilly brook]

My hand swallowed my old fps mouse

[sick sentinel]

My thumb is for thunder clap on side mouse buttons. :p

[chilly brook]

As you can tell I’m a little bit of a Corsair fanboy

[sand egret]

ya don't say?

I got one of their keyboards. Loving it

[chilly brook]

Yea same

[sand egret]

great balance of mechanical but not loud as fuck

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately I broke that Corsair mouse in the middle of a competitive game

Gripped and clicked too hard and broke the mouse wheel

[sand egret]

rip

[chilly brook]

Swapped to a rival 600 as my new fps mouse and love it

[astral crystal]

i had 3 corsair keyboards

they all ghosted when i spammed

does that ever happen to you?

[sand egret]

not so far for me

[chilly brook]

Nope

Then again I don’t even use it to play WoW anymore

[sand egret]

my fps mouse is one of those g-techs

[sand egret]

but for WoW, it has to be the Naga (or prob a 6+ button equiv)

ohh you use one of those claws?

[chilly brook]

Razor orbweaver

[sand egret]

always wanted to try one out haha

[open bluff]

naga

you spelled g600 wrong

[chilly brook]

It’s nice having the d-pad on your thumb

[open bluff]

half the price, bigger buttons, more durable 👀

[prisma crane]

yea the logitech is way better than the naga

[chilly brook]

That was my take @open bluff

[prisma crane]

plus logitech drivers are amazing

[open bluff]

nagas are still $80

[chilly brook]

The buttons are super small on the naga

[open bluff]

and i went through 3 in 18 months

👀

[chilly brook]

G600 is like $40 lol

[open bluff]

only on my second g600 in 6 years

[uneven mason]

did you RMA them Avalith?

[prisma crane]

just replaced my G600, after nearly 4 years

[sand egret]

well ive had the same one since 2012 or so

[open bluff]

the first two i did, they refused to rma the third

[sand egret]

so as far as durability goes, it's not bad

[prisma crane]

but for now i have a daskeyboard for my keyboard, i love it

[uneven mason]

huh, never had them refuse an RMA

[open bluff]

so when that stopped working i just got the g600 and it lasted me 4 years

then i grabbed my second when it just died

much happier with it over the naga too, i have pretty big hands

[prisma crane]

yea, @open bluff i also have large hands, so it feels good too

[uneven mason]

Chances are, they were like "dude must CS GO, hardware failure due to brick wall"

[chilly brook]

My first one lasted me a good time like several years

[sand egret]

i prefer the small buttons, but I have small hands

[chilly brook]

The big thing I liked about the g600 was the slanted buttons so it’s ez to know what row is what, unlike the naga

[sand egret]

I'll prob need to replace it soon, the old gal has had a run

[prisma crane]

on this work keyboard i can hit both shifts with the same hand

[chilly brook]

My razor deathadder died in like a year

[prisma crane]

@chilly brook yea, it made it a lot less intimidating to get used to the additional buttons

[old night]

@sand egret I just got a Rival 300

solid ass mouse

[strong forum]

really cant decide what ring combo i wanna use

[sand egret]

I think we can all agree, having a bunch of buttons on your mouse is greaaat

[old night]

came from a Death Adder

[chilly brook]

Imo razor has QA issues

[sand egret]

it's a production problem

they offset

[prisma crane]

@strong forum that's rough lol

[sand egret]

it's a known thing

[hot locust]

@strong forum ring 1 and 3 imo

[prisma crane]

i feel like both 370s

[chilly brook]

@strong forum seems an ez decision for me, 395 with haste vers

[prisma crane]

but yea 3 is better than 2 if keeping 1

[strong forum]

ofc the 395

[sand egret]

speeeed

[chilly brook]

Right then the 370 with haste verse

And speed

[strong forum]

mye was kinda thinking same

[chilly brook]

Seems the most logical to me

[sand egret]

OR

give it to me

[strong forum]

well SS does 7299 with the vers ring and the with the mastery ring it does 7328 and i have 2 % more block chance 😄

but ima roll with the versa one

15% haste with the mastery ring and 17% with the versa ring

[sand egret]

yeah man, take the haste vers

[chilly brook]

Yea I’d go with the more haste

[sand egret]

think about how many extra SB's youll get over the rest of bfa with that on 😆

[strong forum]

tfw used to have 20% haste

[sand egret]

you mean your profile pic?

[strong forum]

na

more like a sad face

used to have 20% haste cuz had 365 shield with haste and socket

[chilly brook]

😢

[sand egret]

aw

losing haste is the worst. (See: GCD problems lol)

[strong forum]

i mean anything above 1k haste is fine

[sand egret]

it's just the one stat you can feel more so than the rest

unless you're like a fire mage

then no crits is just the dregs

[sick sentinel]

so much haste.

speed is love.

[sand egret]

speaks the truth

[chilly brook]

Tfw you’re below 1k because you don’t get lucky with secondary stats on ilvl upgrades

[ember arrow]

Hello! It seems that you have some concerns about <putting everything on the gcd> . We at Blizzard would like to remind you that the feature <putting everything on the gcd> is fun and interesting, and provides a rewarding gameplay experience to players. We are constantly working to implement player feedback in order to enhance and improve the <putting everything on the gcd> feature of Battle for Azeroth!

[sand egret]

oh crap, I feel a gcd front coming in

[strong forum]

tfw only upgrades are titanforges

[sick sentinel]

almost 10k hit shield slams now.

[sand egret]

gotta bounce!

[chilly brook]

Hello! It seems that you have some concerns about <putting everything on the gcd> . We at Blizzard would like to remind you that the feature <putting everything on the gcd> is fun and interesting, and provides a rewarding gameplay experience to players. We are constantly working to implement player feedback in order to enhance and improve the <putting everything on the gcd> feature of Beta for Azeroth!

ftfy

[ember arrow]

Hello! It seems that you have some concerns about <boring azerite traits> . We at Blizzard would like to remind you that the feature <boring azerite traits> is fun and interesting, and provides a rewarding gameplay experience to players. We are constantly working to implement player feedback in order to enhance and improve the <boring azerite traits> feature of Battle for Azeroth!

it works with anything

[chilly brook]

Boi

[digital arrow]

boi

[chilly brook]

You need to fix that to Beta for Azeroth

[ember arrow]

Hello! It seems that you have some concerns about <removing gearswaps in m+> . We at Blizzard would like to remind you that the feature <removing gearswaps in m+> is fun and interesting, and provides a rewarding gameplay experience to players. We are constantly working to implement player feedback in order to enhance and improve the <removing gearswaps in m+> feature of Battle for Azeroth!

ok i stop now inb4 ban

[chilly brook]

🔨

[uneven mason]

Removing gearswaps in M+ Teaching those tryhards who swap legendaries

oh wait uh no more legendaries

teaching those folks who swap trinkets

[grim prism]

Teaches those tryhards who push keys without autohammers an/or jeeveses

[chilly brook]

Not gonna lie

[uneven mason]

"Oh you mean removing the ability to swap trinkets literally just makes stat stick trinkets, the most boring form of gear ever, stronger overall?"

[chilly brook]

It really sucks when we start a key and I forgot I was in my survivability trinket set

But I can’t swap

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[ember arrow]

@chilly brook dont need to care about gearswaps

if all gear is shit

👌

[uneven mason]

Levko with the 400IQ answer

[chilly brook]

Truth

👏🏻👏🏻

Don’t need to sim if we make strength our number one priority

Oh wait

[uneven mason]

Leaked 8.1 fixes for Protection warriors

[uneven mason]

"Vanguard Stance now increases armor by 200% of strength, and stamina by 100%" - We feel this addresses all issues with warriors

"Because prot is supposed to be boring"

[chilly brook]

I mean if we got that I’d be happy

[ember arrow]

armor cap without anything up

sounds legit

more health than a dh

[chilly brook]

That would actually be a huge buff though

[old night]

ya no like

reading that gave me a half chub

[grim prism]

Dont need to sim if your spec sucks regardless 😂

Happy Casual Friday

[chilly brook]

I mean that change alone would make us the best tanks

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked ginkgo]

I'm ready for prot to rise again

[chilly brook]

We’d be BrM levels of busted

“Oh what’s that you’re not using your AM ability? No worries”

[ember arrow]

so

like brm is now

you can tank m vectis

not press isb once

np

[chilly brook]

Yes

That’s what I said

[vocal nimbus]

but thats a boss issue 🤔

just like a dps tanking one of the shivarras in abt

[prisma crane]

it's not a boss issue, it's a monk issue, unless you think we can do M Vectis without casting SB once, which i suppose is possible, but at higher risk than for a monk without isb

[ember arrow]

do a boss on dk without using DS

them comparing dk to monk surv wise

is ridiculous

monk u literally can go afk

[vocal nimbus]

imo if it happens in just 1 boss its a boss issue

im not implying that stagger is right now the strongest shit

[ember arrow]

monks doing mythrax

[vocal nimbus]

is not*

[ember arrow]

with 99 stacks

taking every shear

since u cant go below 1hp with stagger

and can dodge shear

totally boss issue

fetid, 20% vs 87% ISB uptime no discernable difference in healing required

[outer dew]

I mean

Monk doesn't really mitigate damage

Low ISB is burden on a healer

[ember arrow]

stagger cant bring you below 1hp

read that

[chilly brook]

Monk is actually broken @vocal nimbus

[ember arrow]

u can have 1mil stagger

and be at 1hp

and u wont die

[chilly brook]

Even the Peak of Serenity discord isn’t happy with it

[ocean acorn]

i thought stagger had a cap

[chilly brook]

And they’re the ones benefitting

[vocal nimbus]

when i said monk isnt broken?

[ember arrow]

https://www.peakofserenity.com/2018/10/09/the-fetid-log/

[outer dew]

Sure, but what situation are you gonna have where you aren't taking some kind of consistent damage?

[chilly brook]

When you said it was a boss issue not a monk issue

[ember arrow]

@outer dew mythrax, fetid

[outer dew]

Or is anyone gonna let some sit that low

[ember arrow]

zekvoz

[chilly brook]

@outer dew zekvoz

[ember arrow]

thats already 3 bosses

[outer dew]

You risk taking surge of darkness tick

[ember arrow]

no

it doesnt overlap

the healing debuff

with darkness

[frosty wedge]

yeah no stagger is broken as hell

[outer dew]

Mythrax does AoE damage constantly?

Y'all bitching about it

But in legion it was hated

[astral crystal]

when you break people out of MC

you get raidwide dmg

[outer dew]

The idea of stagger is delaying damage

Vs mitigating

[astral crystal]

so yeah there's consistent aoe dmg on mythrax

[ember arrow]

not relevant for tanks

[astral crystal]

uhh i'd say it is

[vocal nimbus]

🤔

[ember arrow]

look in logs

[mortal pike]

Monks can 100% die on zekvoz

[ember arrow]

how small of a part it is

[chilly brook]

You’re not delaying damage if you’re at 1hp and you can’t be brought below 1hp :thonking

[outer dew]

But you're saying they don't die at 1 hp

[chilly brook]

We didn’t say they couldn’t die on Zek

But if they take the full combo

[outer dew]

Any tick will kill you

[chilly brook]

Come out at 5%

And stagger keeps ticking

They won’t go below 1hp

[mortal pike]

Yes I know 😃

[chilly brook]

Stagger literally can’t kill you

[outer dew]

And doesn't it have constant raid wide damage with lightning in zek?

[chilly brook]

No

The raid damage is largely not applied to tanks on Zek

[outer dew]

But your whole bitching

Is that you can not bother to heal the monk

[wicked ginkgo]

We monk discord now bois

[outer dew]

You very much still do

[chilly brook]

Wut

No

[ember arrow]

u guys talked about mouses

all day

[frosty wedge]

also, no one is saying that you can't be killed while at 1HP - just that STAGGER can't kill you.

[chilly brook]

All I said is monk is broken lol

[ember arrow]

exactly

Mikevictus

also, no one is saying that you can't be killed while at 1HP - just that STAGGER can't kill you.

in #protection · Oct 12, 2018, 5:21 PM

[outer dew]

But that mechanic isn't a huge thing, because if something sneezes, you will die

[ember arrow]

its as if you coundlkt die if u blocked something that did more dmg than your hp

[outer dew]

If stagger gets high, you won't be topped off

[frosty wedge]

you can get chunked to 5% and be ticking for like 300k stagger, and none of that damage applies to you.

[outer dew]

You get into a state of perpetual behind or dead

[zinc mauve]

but pretty much every boss has some sort of raidwide damage so you'd just fuckin die out of nowhere

[frosty wedge]

except you can purify off a huge chunk of that to help with healing

[chilly brook]

https://www.peakofserenity.com/2018/10/09/the-fetid-log/

[zinc mauve]

only boss that doesnt is uhh fetid and taloc

[chilly brook]

You should read this @outer dew

[outer dew]

I've read it

[chilly brook]

It actually illustrates how broken they are

[frosty wedge]

There's very little payoff to playing a monk well vs barely hitting your keys

[outer dew]

It's not that they're broken that's frustrating. It's that the healer feels the burden

[frosty wedge]

it's both, lol

[outer dew]

Monk isn't a mitigation tank

[chilly brook]

Uhhhmmm hello

[outer dew]

????

[chilly brook]

What burden

There’s barely any difference in healing required

[astral crystal]

[frosty wedge]

^

[outer dew]

If you can throw some basic hots vs having to regrow

Healing surge vs healing wave to heal

[frosty wedge]

put awarrior in with 10% SB uptime and see how bad he gets fucked vs someone playing properly

[mortal pike]

Rather have others buffed than monks nerfed, tanking in general feels weak this expansion

[chilly brook]

Much burden

[astral crystal]

ion said he knew tanks were too squish yesterday

[chilly brook]

Such WoW

[frosty wedge]

I'd like there to be SOME discernible difference between good and bad players when tanking

[chilly brook]

Less than a 2k difference

[mortal pike]

Yea I heard, hope for mostly buffs

[chilly brook]

Literally a 1.8k difference

[outer dew]

Damage for raids is spikes

[mortal pike]

had most of an expansion with guardian druids

[outer dew]

Not a consistent 2k

[mortal pike]

low expectations for tank balance

[chilly brook]

Clearly the spikes weren’t that great because the damage taken difference isn’t large

You see a huge difference here outside of 1-2 spikes?

[delicate prism]

the HP dips are much smoother for the bottom parse due to proper ISB usage

[ember arrow]

which is the one without isb

lmao

[chilly brook]

Nah bottom is with isb

[frosty wedge]

bottom notic ethe dwonward spikes are gradual

not straight down

because the top guy's getting chunked for more up front dmg

[ember arrow]

u guys are arguing it was a lil more spiky. when the proper consequence

shoulda been

death

[tranquil kraken]

But healing required wasn't much more for the offending log. So it "looks" scary, but was it?

[chilly brook]

The point is even if monk is the delayed damage tank, there should actually be death for not using your AM

And yes isb is for all intents and purposes AM

[ember arrow]

its even a 100% AM uptiem tank

taht doesnt use AM

and still has np

[outer dew]

I mean, if this was in a mythic setting, the healer is gonna be able to carry the monk. healer will oom himself to death

You gotta burn CDs in place of monk

[ember arrow]

there is no non tank dmg

[frosty wedge]

they should just reduce the amount of damage sent to stagger unless you have ISB active

[ember arrow]

comparably

[delicate prism]

It's due to the fact that ISB doesn't decrease dmg taken overall just delays it.

So, functionally it doesn't matter if your healers react fast enough

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t matter if it’s Mythic you should still die in heroic for not using mitigation

[outer dew]

Like you forget why everyone hated monk start of legion

[chilly brook]

Every other tank will

[outer dew]

???

[chilly brook]

Except monk

[outer dew]

Our BDK in zek goes afk because internet

The guy lives the combo

With externals

[lucid bough]

brewmaster was subpar all legion, at least preception wise

[chilly brook]

BrM was fine in legion

[mortal pike]

You must have missed antorus

Was good for Guldan aswell

[chilly brook]

It was hella good in antorus

[outer dew]

No. BrM was more in line. Because you looked at it at the perception as a healer.

Monk was hated because it wasn't a mitigation or self healing tank

[chilly brook]

Lol Wut

[outer dew]

You're trading time vs mitigation

[chilly brook]

That’s the first I’ve ever heard that 😂😂😂😂

[outer dew]

If I could keep up a tank with cheap rolling hots or heals

It's a hella low burden

[sand egret]

how are you defining mitigation.....

[mortal pike]

Monk was not a burden in antorus at all

what

[sand egret]

cuz that statement is quite confusing

[chilly brook]

Monk wasn’t a top pick for m+ because it wasn’t blood or vengeance

[dark junco]

^

[sand egret]

and that wasn't until Vengeance was made to not suck

[outer dew]

Damage reduction

But once again, this comes down to a lot of community perception

[chilly brook]

It wasn’t a top pick in the beginning in raids because it wasn’t prot with broken IP or Druid after prot got nerfed who had roar and mark

After Druid was nerfed imagine that it became a top pick

[lucid bough]

brewmaster was the least played tank in legion

[chilly brook]

It’s almost like a broken tank can actually overshadow other tanks

Much wow

[sand egret]

literally every other game

fyi

[sick sentinel]

🙄

[chilly brook]

It’s amazing how once the outliers were reeled in monk became a top pick

[sand egret]

you can have something that is percieved as OP and becomes overbearingly oppressive as community trends drive it

[chilly brook]

And now monk is the class that needs reeling in

I don’t understand why you can’t just actually accept that monk is problematic currently

[outer dew]

Does it? I don't like monk ATM because you have low options

[sand egret]

stagger needs to be rebuilt

[chilly brook]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[bold mirage]

the huge issue I have was when IP was out of control in the start of Legion they nerfed that shit with quickness and now the stance is well guilds have their tanks\team set and they do not want to mess with that.

[outer dew]

What can you do when you are to isb 100% uptime

[lucid bough]

the stat of brewmaster is incomparable to state of bdk in legion and guardian until tomb of sargeras

[sand egret]

and scale its tick rate based upon the stagger threshold

[outer dew]

With low issues with purifying

[mortal pike]

What astra said

[chilly brook]

The amount of options available to you=/=how effective or ineffective something is

[mortal pike]

Monk now is not nearly as broken

[frosty wedge]

man.... speaking of BDK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1e6Zrue6g&feature=youtu.be

[sand egret]

hahah

I hope more and more of these videos come out

[frosty wedge]

the 15 blood DKS vs mother was hilarious

[chilly brook]

@outer dew how can you see a tank that can completely ignore its abilities that interact with their mitigation and still clean kill bosses and say that it doesn’t need to be reeled in?

[outer dew]

Anyone remember the BDK cheese vs Elerefe?

[lucid bough]

One tank being this powerful wouldnt make much diference if the tank wasnt the tank with most reliable utility

[limber wigeon]

Monks were really good in ToS and borderline broken in Ant.

[sand egret]

Monks scale with progression

it's just a factor of Stagger

[sick sentinel]

https://www.peakofserenity.com/2018/10/09/the-fetid-log/ yeah monks not nearly as broken now.

[chilly brook]

@limber wigeon huh coincidentally when Druids rightfully got smacked with the mark removal

[lucid bough]

explain that post

to me

because

all I see its people commenting without gettin it´

[sick sentinel]

no difference between an afk/poor mitigation BrM vs one that did use their mitigation.

[limber wigeon]

Crazy, isn't it @chilly brook? How balance doesn't exist in a vacuum?

[sick sentinel]

Towards a clean kill.

= OP tank

[lucid bough]

no

[frosty wedge]

a monk with 20% AM uptime vs a monk with 90% AM uptime only takes MARGINALLY more damage.

[chilly brook]

@lucid bough long story short, monks don’t need to use mitigation and the healers will just pick up the minimal slack with no adverse affects

[lucid bough]

^

this

[outer dew]

I understand what you're saying, but for monks, they can very much get carried by a healer @chilly brook

[sick sentinel]

yeah. thats what I said.,

[outer dew]

I mean, do you guys play healers?

[lucid bough]

not reallt

Well

[sand egret]

which is a product of stagger and it not being owned by the monk itsefl

[sick sentinel]

mitigation/active mitigation, same thing.

[lucid bough]

Im 2.3 in arenas 3s with my MW

so...

i think so

[sick sentinel]

one used it poorly, one used it.

[chilly brook]

A tank that requires a healer can be “carried” by a healer? You don’t say

[sand egret]

the more the monk needs to consciously be aware of their stagger, the more the focus of their damage profile is shifted from the healer (as it is currently) to the monk itself (like most tanks)

[limber wigeon]

Yeah, I think blizz messed up with base stagger value and agility scaling. They're scaling is good and their base value is good. I think it would be fine with some numerical changes.

[outer dew]

No, because a good tank will keep himself mitigated so he doesn't drop

You can keep cheap heals on a high hp % tank

[sand egret]

the issue is because Stagger can defer damage, it creates time. Time being a huge resource from a healing perspective

[outer dew]

The way monk works is in theory, you never get one shot

[lucid bough]

well

[sick sentinel]

mhm

[lucid bough]

Its not like you want all the tanks doing the same shit

[chilly brook]

@outer dew do you even play monk?

[outer dew]

I played monk for most of legion

[sand egret]

make.stagger.scale.inversely.with.damage.

[limber wigeon]

Yeah, I think blizz messed up with base stagger value and agility scaling. They're scaling is good and their base value is good. I think it would be fine with some numerical changes.

[outer dew]

I also look at it from a healing perspective

[lucid bough]

its not

[chilly brook]

Cool I played monk for WoD and Legion

[frosty wedge]

people are also forgetting that purify is a thing, so on top of staggering like 80+% od incomign damage, you can then just toss out half of that

[lucid bough]

Yopu just need to shift power from stagger to the brews

[chilly brook]

You know what was different from Legion to current expansion?

[outer dew]

I can agree with astra

[chilly brook]

If you didn’t ISB you’d probably die

[sand egret]

@frosty wedge which would be great....if there was a need to Purify

[frosty wedge]

true - I'm not saying there is ,I'm just saying that's another factor, you're not just defering all the damage, you're also throwing away a lot of it

[sand egret]

that's icing on the cake

if the rate of the stagger damage could reach a point where you'd really want to purify, then you have interesting gameplay

simply "lop some off the back-end" is lame

and uninteractive

[chilly brook]

Oh like you actually did in legion

[lucid bough]

the last row of talents were heavly nerf

so you kinda just pick one

[outer dew]

I mean with black ox brew and uptime needed

[frosty wedge]

yeah, honestly it's too easy to keep 100% ISB uptime to NOT punish people that can't be fucked to push the button, lol

[outer dew]

You lost options

I remember 3x chug->black ox and having a couple purifying ready

[chilly brook]

Who cares about options if you’re literally almost an unkillable brick that you don’t have to do anything

I purified a helluva lot out of necessity in ATBT

[lucid bough]

its leie

lieeeee

just watch

well wtv, i would say 1 thing but doenst matter much

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile

You got Sco and his buddy on Mythic Fetid with only god knows how much stagger and they don’t purify once

no big deal

[mortal pike]

I remember their tanks dying on progress 🤔

[lucid bough]

they did

and they purified

and they died

but agenda time

[outer dew]

Who knew with more gear I'd die less

[sick sentinel]

I knew.

[outer dew]

🤔

[mortal pike]

Im glad this is #CircleJerkBM

[frosty wedge]

naw, I watched the muthic progression - justwait actually learned how to play monk

[sick sentinel]

s'why I dont want changes.

[chilly brook]

Sco really almost never purified

[frosty wedge]

Sco on the otherhand.... dude was routinely doing like... 40-60% of the healing of justwait

[chilly brook]

I watched quite a bit of his fetid progress

[frosty wedge]

yeah, Sco never figured out how to play monk

but it didn't matter

[chilly brook]

Because why would you need to figure it out

Clearly it doesn’t matter

[frosty wedge]

but yeah, if you look at the dmg taken/daage purified for sco vs justwait... justwait was actually not terrible

[chilly brook]

Get world firsts without even playing your class correctly

Seems legit to me

[wild bolt]

Speaking of playing your class correctly.....

This a good time for a log review or should I put it in the Log channel?

[frosty wedge]

ooh, I like logs

[chilly brook]

Might as well

[mortal pike]

Only BM logs

[wild bolt]

My BMs haven't been logs lately

Kinda loose

OH

YOU MEANT MONKS

mb

[tall wadi]

brm

[mortal pike]

did I 👅

[frosty wedge]

LOL, yes, brewmasters, not bowel movements.

[wild bolt]

Ya I know... 😃 It's Friday and I like the jokies.

[frosty wedge]

😄

[grim prism]

Casual Friday OP

[wild bolt]

Poop jokes ftw

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/36365188

Oh woops, that's just me. Here's last night:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y1BH8afVGMT3pAvq/

[frosty wedge]

were you not tanking taloc?

[sick sentinel]

so many devastates.....

[frosty wedge]

Did you actually only cast shield block 6 times?

and IP twice?

[lucid bough]

and yet killed the boss

OP SPEC

[sick sentinel]

smh

[wild bolt]

Yeah Taloc got wierd. I completely lagged out in the elevator phase and the Protadin had to pinch hit

They told me I was dead to a laser about 12 seconds before I actually died on my screen.

I was rocking about 1200 ms so just had her keep him once we reached the bottom

[frosty wedge]

Mother again, only 5 casts of SB?

and 5 IP

[uneven mason]

doing ads?

[junior ivy]

mother mythic is such a fun fight !

[frosty wedge]

I dunno if he was doing ads... but he got hit by a sanitizing strike?

[sick sentinel]

😬

[uneven mason]

hit by sanitizing strike...sounds like the monk in my guild

he'd basically hit roll for

winds

and then was afk most of the time

[limber wigeon]

Mother mythic is good as long as you don't have to tank adds and call people over. Then it gets dicey.

[uneven mason]

TFW the tanking class has such a low skill floor that you could die mid fight and most healers wouldn't notice

I Mean dir IRL

[frosty wedge]

it looks like he died like 8% into the fight? since he wa sonly well fed for 8.8% ?

[wild bolt]

Yeah ok

Sorry I keep coming in and out

Mother

RL decides "Hey lets try the Mythic strat where we pop Darkness and Everything Else and just all rush into room 2"

Tonk you and 1 healer keep the boss here until we're all healed up then bring her over.

Great. They all ran through

I got TRUCKED.

My healer didn't even notice. He had to run back into room 1 to Brez me

So he went through the shield like...3 times? It was a great pull.

[digital arrow]

catfriend! how'd u get past the mythic taloc volatile bloods problem?

did healers step up

[frosty wedge]

also - you only used SR 3 times on zek?

[junior ivy]

@digital arrow when we did it this tuesday, everyone stacked

i talked to one of the officers in pm before and said i was really scared of elevator and explained why people spreading makes it hard

actually, wait, FIRST they made me try a method where i stand in the center and am healed through blood damage

but it didn't work so well

then we did it normally, with everyone stacked

[outer dew]

Stanidng in the center only works if your range are God's

Or you'll be behind on adds

Had to scream at a tank because he tanked. In center for a mythic pug

??

[digital arrow]

oh stacking funnels them to you huh

[junior ivy]

oh and i had to actually tank swap on taloc tuesday

that was scary

lsat time i did it, the pally tank had boss 100% of the time

but tuesday me and the monk kept switching

[digital arrow]

👌

[sick sentinel]

I had taloc M on me 100% of the time in a taloc pug no problem

[junior ivy]

i still hate the taloc fight 😦

but mother is so fun !!

[limber wigeon]

We do a swap strat in mythic. I pop shield wall and stack in enlarged heart when we swap. Works well.

[old night]

swap strat here as well

blood dk takes enlarged heart

I run to blood pool

he grips the focus adds on elevator, I kite the tankable adds in a cinnamon bun swirl

[gray parrot]

what changes in Mythic?

[old night]

leaves room on the edge

[gray parrot]

we just downed Heroic GHuun last night for the first time

so ill have to tank Taloc Mythic soon

[old night]

one tank will get enlarged heart, needs to be soaked by non debuffed raiders

[junior ivy]

new mechanic called enlarged heart where people have to stakc on tank and share damage

[limber wigeon]

We just swap on heart. I start. On boss. I tank adds in the blood but not in the middle.

[old night]

so what we do is tank taloc on the edge of the room facing a wall. debuffed raiders move outward, tank with enlarged heart runs ot center, non debuff raiders stack on him

I swap when he gets heart

then lead cudgel to blood

[junior ivy]

you guys have enlarged heart tank run to center?

[old night]

yep

[junior ivy]

i always find it so chaotic when enlarged heart comes out

we are alwsays tanking on the edge

[old night]

debuff raiders move outward

[junior ivy]

and its hard to see

[old night]

yeah thats why you run to the center

[junior ivy]

i might suggest that if im feelijng brave

i dont normally like suggesting things

lol

[old night]

you're a tank my dude

[limber wigeon]

Ya, both tanks move to center. Heart tank doesn't pop anything, main tank pops cd.

[old night]

suggest shit all the time

[junior ivy]

yeh but when we do mythic we ahve the officers and good raiders there helping us

i figure they know better than me

[gray parrot]

^never assume this

[limber wigeon]

Most players don't know shit about tank mechanics.

[old night]

@junior ivy we gotta get your more confidence my friend

[gray parrot]

im not a great tank but i think of stuff my guys dont think about a lot

yea you offer a persepctive others dont

[old night]

also the zerg strat into room 2 for mother is ace

i dont remember who was suggesting it

we 3 shot mother with that strat

[junior ivy]

we 4 shot mother with that strat but shoulda been 3

[old night]

had been using a different one and constantly wiped. once we switched to that one it was a matter of a few pulls then we got her down

[junior ivy]

i caused a wipe 10 seconds in

by accidentally getting aggro on boss

and pulling her into 2nd room

[gray parrot]

what is the benefit to not going to room 3?

we kill her in room 2 on Heroic

[old night]

no you do go into room 3

its staggered

you're milking CD timers for heals

so like

we take our top 3 dps a healer, and our DK they stay in room one. stagger CD's move into room 2 with 3 groups

camp there after adds are down

[dusky mica]

seems dumb

[old night]

all you worry about is wind and fire. no lasers. at 85 energy I pop rally and group 4 moves in, avoid wind (every time) then burn her down quick

[dusky mica]

might as well just room 1 it

[old night]

then move into room 3 when energy is getting close too

its rinse repeat

@dusky mica thanks man

[dusky mica]

rushing into room two is pointless if youre talking heroic or below

[vivid sage]

i think you should just room 1 it

[old night]

i was talking mythic

[dusky mica]

mythic you can't, room 1 zerg so just do it properly

yeah ok

[limber wigeon]

I think we're talking mythic strats...

[old night]

^^^

[vivid sage]

or room 0

in the taloc elevator

[wild bolt]

@frosty wedge Thank you for catching that (SR on Zek.) Should have that on for each Void Lash?

[gray parrot]

or just kite it to Orgrimmar

[dusky mica]

well you could room 0 it for a bit yeah

[gray parrot]

like real men

[dusky mica]

fixed now though

[frosty wedge]

@wild bolt yep, every combo you should be SRing one

[old night]

the 3rd iirc

[wild bolt]

We swap after Shatter

So it's VL > Shatter > Swap> New tank takes the 2nd VL

[limber wigeon]

If you swap after shatter then you can sr every one

[dusky mica]

If you burn rage fast enough while not tanking Zek you should get Last Stand up every time

[limber wigeon]

We do full combos though.

[old night]

yeah

[frosty wedge]

also you should be able to get more demo shouts off on zek as well

[old night]

yep

I start avatar on the 2 count so I lose some dps

but its up every time I take zek before the first VL

[frosty wedge]

then yeah @wild bolt you should be SRing every lash then

[old night]

I pop that with demo and im fine

[wild bolt]

Do you guys Avatar only when you have aggro or do you pop it every time it comes off cd?

[old night]

still hurts like shit tho

every time

delay it if you can with demo tho if demo is about to come up

[gray parrot]

good question Tutonka

[dusky mica]

depends on the boss

[old night]

so you can extend demo shout with each tc

[wild bolt]

I'm constantly worried about ripping aggro

[astral crystal]

re: zek you should have LS up for every combo

[old night]

what's your co tank

[limber wigeon]

I save avatar for small adds in zek'voz

[astral crystal]

i just pump rage between swaps

[wild bolt]

Either BDK or Protadin

[dusky mica]

pump

[limber wigeon]

Use a threat meter

[astral crystal]

also use demo on CD

[old night]

if it's a BDK go full dick. It's hard to rip aggro off them

never tanked with a protadin tho

[astral crystal]

it'll always be up

[sick sentinel]

Pop avatar all day, they have a taunt if they're losing threat doi

[dusky mica]

you shouldn't be pulling aggro on single target, warrior ST even with avatar isn't that great vs the other tanks

[old night]

^^

[dusky mica]

except maybe druid, they're full potato

[old night]

the only time i'll rip aggro off my BDK is add phase during zek

[sick sentinel]

Or have your hunters md accordingly

[old night]

once they pop up with avatar he'll gorefiend them

and I immediately rip all of that off

then use my shockwave

then we have a ring of peace out to keep them contained

[gray parrot]

LD a threat meter addon

[astral crystal]

iirc the adds fixate no? doesn't matter if you have 'aggro' on them

[gray parrot]

but yea you shouldnt have an issue with that

[old night]

they're usually burned around the same time as the first non tank add

[wild bolt]

Yeah they fixate but they always die before that's a problem

[old night]

do they? I use KNP and just see that I have aggro on them

[frosty wedge]

but yeah, tutonka... I'd say, overall try to use SB more, and try to improve your DS uptime

[astral crystal]

just sayin doesnt matter if you pull threat on them

[old night]

i wouldn't have noticed

[dusky mica]

the silithid add phase is the the only fun part

clappa clappa

[old night]

i love it

I have zek during purple rings

my hands feel cramped during that

i was not expecting the 4th ring

got him to 50%ish on our first night last night. excited for next raid. Hoping to down him

[dusky mica]

so you can coin some azerite power ehhhhhhhhh!

[gray parrot]

mythic Zek has 4 rings?

[chrome falcon]

Zek is definitely a difficulty spike for the third boss in the expansion

[old night]

4 ring phases

compared to 3

[gray parrot]

nice

[chrome falcon]

Compared to previous first tiers he's quite tough

[old night]

you know how they change 3 times on H? they change 4 on mythic

[gray parrot]

i dunno if we will start mythic before the reset

[old night]

yeah I didnt know if I was just being a shit tank or if that fight was legit hard

[chrome falcon]

@old night if you have him during rings and he does a lash just call for externals and sit in the rings imo

[gray parrot]

i would love to get a mythic wep from Taloc for PVP 😄 😄

[old night]

@chrome falcon wait what

[chrome falcon]

Later in the fight he does lashes during rings

It fuckin sucks

[old night]

yeah I saw that

[chrome falcon]

So I just call for externals and sit in the rings so I don#t kill the dps

[old night]

what do you call for?

I usually call for pain sup

[dusky mica]

aid

[chrome falcon]

Yeah pain sup is good enough

I think we're one of the best tanks for Zek tbh

Always got something for the combos

[chilly brook]

I love Zek

[chrome falcon]

Yeah I like that boss a lot

Uldir is a great raid in general

[dusky mica]

not sure about that

[astral crystal]

you know what boss sucks nuts

vectis

[gray parrot]

vectis sucks

that fight is not fun at all

[vagrant cape]

Hey Griff, what's your YouTube channel? I wanna listen to your guide on the ride home

[chrome falcon]

Vectis is fine

Vectis is the only fight in Uldir where we have unique utility

[vagrant cape]

@chilly brook

[gray parrot]

how so Mattacate?

[chrome falcon]

SR the omega vectors

Remove 1/8th of all mandatory stacks from the fight

[gray parrot]

SR?

[vagrant cape]

Spell reflect

[chrome falcon]

if you have spell reflect up when omega vector runs out

you don't get a stack

[chilly brook]

@vagrant cape the prot one?

[chrome falcon]

so you can take every other omega vector from one of the groups

and it doesn't generate stacks

[dusky mica]

its not unique

[vagrant cape]

@chilly brook yeppers

[chrome falcon]

oh can AMS do that too?

[dusky mica]

other classes can do it

[gray parrot]

is that worth it?

[chrome falcon]

of course it's worth it

[old night]

@chrome falcon is the damage from the rings not that bad? I always thought it was painful as shit

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately not up yet because my roommate has been watching soccer so I can't record VO

[chrome falcon]

it's a big deal

[vagrant cape]

Nope, only SR can do it

[gray parrot]

we run strats that make it so our tanks never get OV

[old night]

can we actually just sit in the rings?

[vagrant cape]

Oh, darn

[dusky mica]

pallies can do it

[chilly brook]

yeah 😦

[chrome falcon]

@old night It hurts but as long as you press some buttons and ask other people to press buttons you'll be ok

[chilly brook]

It's like my guy get some headphones please

[chrome falcon]

@old night you only have to do it once per fight anyway

[gray parrot]

so you save one person from getting 1 stack?

per SR

[chrome falcon]

Yes, and you can SR every other omega vector in your group

Take a stack->Give it to someone else->They give it back to you

[sick sentinel]

Am I really supposed to use 340 thundercrash over 385 brace for impact? That is disgusting

[chilly brook]

@old night I'm actually uploading one of our mythic Zek attempts

raw footage uncut

[old night]

ooooo

[chilly brook]

No audio though

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel yep :)))

[dusky mica]

crash on shoulders is usually the best course of action

[old night]

tag me in it or pm me it when you do

I'm at work and I would love to see it

[chilly brook]

Will do

[chrome falcon]

You remove 50% of the mandatory Omega Vector stacks from your group

It is a pretty big deal