done
#protection
prisma crane
outer dew
until RNG doesn't love you
prisma crane
but i dont need it right away
so i dont care
worst case scenario, i get another item i can use
and the RNG love goes both ways anyways
i managed to get 4 2H over 340 before i got my first shield over 340
that's while actually going for shields and just arms spec on bosses that dont drop one
outer dew
sad times
outer dew
i mean, it's not end of the world
I don't think I'm miserable as a player, doing the basic end game as a +10 to me seems fine and easily doable
chilly brook
Well I got the script all typed up but I don't think I'll be recording tonight my voice is too screwed from whatever I caught
mint ingot
outer dew
despise it
I refuse to switch to prot spec for it
just so I make sure I don't get it
the damage doesn't' really give you any survivability
or help your cleave
plush summit
Anyone looked Retalitory Fury? I'm stuck choosing that or Callous Reprisal
dry lance
@prisma crane did that last week, taloc felt like dropping some 390 mace love
prisma crane
yep
@outer dew not entirely true, IP scales relatively heavily based on weapon DPS
it's not a great item, but if it's a lot higher ilvl, still may be worth it
delicate prism
longstrider or bury the hatchet for m+
plush summit
hm
frigid blaze
Not worth dropping this 340 helm with Deafening Crash for a 370 helm with Callous Reprisal, eh?
outer dew
only if it's your only DC
frigid blaze
Son of a
junior ivy
2 chested a freehold 9 😄
round vortex
@junior ivy Remember your first freehold? lol
junior ivy
the 4.5 hour one? yes i remember it very well
lol
finally can replace it on .io!
this makes me want to leave.
outer dew
just start your own keys
outer dew
put "whisper me your favorite sweets*
junior ivy
but theyre raidin g tonight, and tomorrow i think
obtuse venture
whats the key?
junior ivy
shrine +10
marble oak
How do I get a pawn string as prot warrior?
obtuse venture
Probably doable without disc if they all know what to do and this week its not fortified but still. that place requires organized interrupts.
@marble oak go on raidbots and do the stat weights sim
marble oak
I thought that was for dps?
obtuse venture
the results should have a pawn string for you
obtuse venture
oh i dont think prot has specific weights other than a rough order
marble oak
Yea I was just looking for a pawn string someone made so I could easily look at armor in my bags
open bluff
you can't sim for survival
and you can't sim for dps as prot either
pawn is useless and needs to die in a fire
marble oak
I just want a pawn string that uses stat priority off icyveins
ember arrow
using someone elses string is pointless
since pawn is based off of ur own gear
and prot cant be simmed offensively
and defensively u cant sim any tank
marble oak
Like I said not someone elses but icyveins
proper plume
Hey. I know this isn’t specifically the place to ask... since we are Bias. But does anyone see a reason to not bring a warrior tank for M Zul, so as to get Battle shout, more AOE and then you don’t need to bring a melee warrior Dps?
ember arrow
what do u mean
battle shout is available to all specs
dps spec should do more aoe dmg than tank
proper plume
Yes but you only bring 1 warrior for mythic Zul, to get Battle shout
And then you can fit another rogue
proper plume
You aren’t understanding my sentence.
ember arrow
you arent very clear
proper plume
Literally they only bring a warrior for battle shout
obtuse venture
if they are only bring warrior for bs then they are doing it wrong
proper plume
So, would it be smart to bring a prot, so you can fit another rogue, instead of bringing an Arms
obtuse venture
warriors are quite good on zul
proper plume
Go look at every single log. There is only ever 1 warrior
quaint kiln
If you’re bringing a warrior period it’s to DPS
stone hull
Guys, I just got the Atal'dazar shield 365 (haste+mastery) but I'm using Vectis 370 (crit+vers) is it worth it replace it even if it is -5 ilvl?
obtuse venture
master = ver
ember arrow
yhes
obtuse venture
no
quaint kiln
Probably not
proper plume
No, you bring him for the shout. Because you do way less ST than any rogue, and less AOE than the preferred classes
obtuse venture
yea for shields you basically want the higher ilvl one whatever stats
quaint kiln
I’m with muscle
obtuse venture
that armor that block the extra stam and str. its a no brainer seriously
chrome falcon
i think for zul you'd rather have another rogue over warrior
3% AP is less than the value you get from the extra 15k dps on zul
proper plume
Lol. No. 3% additional damage for 7 players? Yes bring rogue.
Also, a good warrior tank could easily pull 35k aoe Dps
quaint kiln
Pretty sure you don't want to kill the crawgs as fast as possible, you nee dthem alive so the rogues have CP builders
so that prot AoE dps is pointless
an arms warrior will shit on a prot warrior AoE dps
proper plume
I guess my argument is that.... you should bring a warrior for shout, but why not bring a Prot > Arms since prot could arguably be a better tank for Zul due to the amount of adds
junior ivy
this shrine 10 is not going well
quaint kiln
Yeah, if your'e gonna bring a warrior, just bring a DPS warrior
they're better at everything you're arguing in favor of prot
quaint kiln
run away little girl
run away, muahahha
don't try to face tank him when he has ironsides up
ember arrow
oh your name is mechanics, and mechanics is also a common word
gottem
so its like, im talking about you when im actually not
200iq
hollow kite
is the ask mr robot tank sim very accurate? its telling me to gem and enchant for vers instead of haste?
quaint kiln
You seem like a fun person to be around
ember arrow
whats he saying
obtuse venture
for tidesage when your kiting ironsides you need to avoid running him over the aoe buff on the ground that he drops. it removes his slow and he becomes unkitable
primal crypt
Rest in rip
zinc mauve
@junior ivy spam taunt on the caster, run around in circles with the other dude chasing you when he becomes swole AF, NEVER have him face towards the rest of your group
and cycle interrupts
once the caster is dead the fight is a joke
hollow kite
w
vocal nimbus
w
cinder nova
340 BFI/SIN/BotM
or
370 BS (or Matrix)/Ablative Shielding/Gemhide
outer dew
Always ilvl
cinder nova
370, ay?
outer dew
Unless DC is missing
cinder nova
Nope.
Bloodsport over matrix it is
So DC is the only one worth sacrificing ilvl for
frigid blaze
is Mother bugged? Randomly dropping aggro to the other tank
gleaming viper
what ilevel is ok for tanking a 10 key
frigid blaze
Happened to me on my DH. I wouldn't do anything and she'd randomly start hitting me.
raven kernel
Did you macro your taunt to something
frigid blaze
No.
frigid blaze
lmao
ember arrow
i had it happen too
it kinda fixed itself
@gleaming viper depends on the group
someone did it with mythic antorus gear
neat harbor
hello bros anyone here good with elvui?
frigid blaze
Whatcha need?
neat harbor
Im having trouble displaying text on my power (rage) bar.
I detached it from the player frame, and moved it into the center of the screen but I cant get my rage to display in number form
gleaming viper
just download Preach's elvui and call it a day
frigid blaze
god please no
gleaming viper
I use it lol whats wrong with it
neat harbor
@frigid blaze Brilliant, thanks!
frigid blaze
Happy to help 😃
neat harbor
hmmm
any way to change the rage text color to white?
red on red lacks a bit of contrast
neat harbor
by all means 😄
frigid blaze
The text I just told you about, delete the [powercolor]
should default to white
FWIW, I prefer using a rage WA bar
neat harbor
oh yeah? have a screenshot?
frigid blaze
from literally right now
neat harbor
can post it in the UI section if you want
neat harbor
interesting, any reason you prefer that display?
frigid blaze
I have it set to change color based on amount. For instance, I can see in my peripheral when it turns color so that I know it's max value for IP
neat harbor
oh thats pretty good
sudden tapir
Sometimes I feel like I need a giant shield block icon in front of my face to let me know not to hit it twice #amateurhour
outer dew
That's what WA is for
ember crest
any of you guys do anything special for positioning on Zek mythic for 3rd/4th donut phase? were having issues getting consistent placement for the cone
getting pinched by middle of the room
marsh beacon
@sudden tapir I use sco’s weak aura for shield block charges. Makes managing uptime and recharge much easier. I’d recommend writing a weak aura for last stand as well, since it should form part of your shield block rotation in a fight
prisma night
Theres a good sb wa that shows both sb uptime left as well as last stand. Whichever lasts longer will be shown
torpid zealot
So do you usually hold out on rampage when Siegebreaker's almost off cooldown, guys?
prisma night
This is prot bud
torpid zealot
(people are doing the prot talk in #fury, I'm doing fury talk in #protection :D)
prisma night
Ah
torpid zealot
Just shitposting, carry on 😛
sudden tapir
@marsh beacon Hey! Small world 😉 I actually do use that. But I’m exaggerating needing something about 50 times the size.
blissful imp
40th kill of Yazma
obtuse venture
nice post on reddit about brm monks feeling their play has no impact on their specs performance
raven kernel
That's why sco plays brew 👌
obtuse venture
feels a lot like warriors except no matter what we press we still feel kinda shit
prisma night
I feel fine, even good on everything in heroic uldir except p2 zul
obtuse venture
28% IB uptime
quote from the blog "We can’t go without a healer for more than a few seconds ever no matter how well we play. It feels like we have no control.
It feels like our play and our abilities simply don’t matter."
solid mist
omg we've come full circle
prisma night
one of the best most popular progression tanks complaining about being too easy?
thats what im hearing
outer dew
Well
To a degree I understand where he's coming from
The uptime Nerf on isb was brutal
prisma night
oh everyone wants their inputs to matter
solid mist
well it's frustrating to say "look, if you play this way you are going to be better! more optimal! a better player"
and then they compare logs and go "wai.t.. maybe not?"
outer dew
Not being able to chug 3x isb on pull and maintain
With options to purify
I hated that change in Legion.
And this was from someone who started as brew in legion
Where everyone despised brew
outer dew
I was talking about more of the change in legion
Brewmaster had nasty rep going into legion
prisma night
it wasnt in the best place but it was also a perception thing
outer dew
I mean, my rdruid loved me
Would just hot and keep me sustained
Big damage came in? Purify
Was there times my asshole was clenched
Suuuuure
But did I have options to purify
Yaaaas
vagrant cape
So if anyone remembers the logs I posted earlier with the warrior who used devastate way too many times
it was apparently because he was so used to tanking with a DK
that he had to use devastate and hold CDs to avoid ripping threat
solid mist
hah!
neat harbor
@frigid blaze you there bro?
vagrant cape
nah, he uses str
outer dew
Moral of the story
If you're having to justify not using mitigation because your Co tank can't hold aggro
You need a new cotank
raven kernel
Moral of the story let the damn warrior start the fight
If it's fetid then just let warrior mt
Dk can take thrash
ember crest
on mythic?
raven kernel
Yes
My guild does dk on thrash brew on main
Before 50%
Then they swap
For dk+warrior they both will need cds for each thrash sub 50 so it doesn't matter
molten atlas
hey guys whats better?, azerite - Archive of the titans or Brace for impact?
obtuse venture
archive is bis in uldir brace is better everywhere else
molten atlas
so having two Archives is good or nah?
molten atlas
hmm,
obtuse venture
array doesnt stack
molten atlas
it does stack it just gives more str per sttack
raven kernel
He said array not archive
lavish oracle
Reorigination Array, the bonus passive, is what makes it so good. The actual effect is pretty mediocre
molten atlas
so 2x Brace and Archive is best?
lavish oracle
No, you need at least one Deafening Crash piece
zinc mauve
its worth dropping 25+ ilvls for
lavish oracle
Even if its 340
chilly brook
@raven kernel Something tells me Fetid isn't a 100% damage increase from heroic to mythic
molten atlas
i havent found a deafing crash piece
chilly brook
And that warrior should be fine OTing
molten atlas
what dungeon should i farm for the best traits for Deafing?
chilly brook
chilly brook
I mean that's not a bad helm?
daring marlin
I'm happy
lavish oracle
It's BiS, isn't it? Or close to it
molten atlas
is 74 avoidance worth equpping over a item that has 5 ilvl?
lavish oracle
It's not worth sacrificing ilvl for tertiary stats, afaik
raven kernel
@chilly brook @hot locust has said himself that warrior needs externals for sub 50 thrashes
Well external or additional personal cd
molten atlas
last one , is blockades trinket still BiS?
hot locust
raven kernel
Yeah but the issue now is the dk threat sucks so the warrior taking thrash can't use mitigation cos no rage or something like that
So I said let dk do thrash
And he can do sub 50 thrashes with cds too
chilly brook
I'm literally looking at logs and I think I see one external used on this prot warrior who's killed it and he only grabbed an external to cover a gap
seemed to have no issue with taking thrash under 50%
raven kernel
Well sure
But my main point isn't that warrior can't do thrash
Thrash dmg isn't related to why I said to let the warrior mt
chilly brook
Then my bad
But yes it seems there's a stark difference between thrash damage on week one and more current logs @hot locust
raven kernel
Gear helps a ton
chilly brook
The nerfs helped more
raven kernel
Yeah I don't tank uldir anymore so I was just going by last confirmed facts
chilly brook
I still really enjoy Uldir
But I'm not looking forward to getting stuck on Fetid for three weeks with my guild
raven kernel
It's up to the dps tbh
cosmic oasis
would it be worth dropping 5 ilvl's on a shield for better stats? 🤔
raven kernel
Killing the adds is the main issue
The first time we killed all 3 sets of adds cleanly we killed it
Didn't see any low hp wipe
chilly brook
@cosmic oasis no
never
block rating, armor, strength and the other secondaries make up for it
cosmic oasis
damn block is that big now isn't it, ty for info
steel mauve
Really nothing is worth dropping ilvl for stats on armor, and debatable on rings
cosmic oasis
ya it's so noticeable when u don't have shield block on hard hitters
chilly brook
Yea
I mean lemme copy pasta my scripterino
"If you have a 5ilvl upgrade ring but you go from BiS stats to your worst stats then it’s ok to sandbag ilvl. However I wouldn’t recommend sacrificing anything more than 5ilvl unless it has a socket in which case it might be worth sandbagging up to 10ilvl. In general use your best judgement here, personally I generally just equip any ilvl upgrade in ring slots because the closeness of all stats."
@steel mauve So definitely agree with you
raven kernel
You can sandbag cloak for socket too
steel mauve
Ya i mean, min maxing aside, youll notice very little difference either way, unless you're just fucked on haste
raven kernel
Armor and str/stam scale like shit on cloaks
chilly brook
It kinda goes for a few slots
Cloaks, rings and bracers
But in general you're not going to be wrong for going with ilvl>everything
You could also probably sandbag trinkets too a little bit for a socket
steel mauve
Trinkets are about the only exception
Considering most of our trinkets suck
It takes a relatively high ilvl defensive trinket just to top jes howler
devout crypt
For tanking trinkets, I have available a 345 socketed Jes Howler, a 370 Xalzaixs Veiled eye, a 370 Rezans gleaming eye, and a 355 Galecaller's beak. I wouldnt mind some opinions on what two i should run! (I am leaning towards the Howler/Veiled eye)
lost mauve
finally got a 375 1 hander to drop from +7 tol dagor
sitting at 360 in my tank gear now
mystic trellis
thx for helpin the cause. im at compliment count 2 atm
sick sentinel
my priest friend refuses to heal me in mythic+. is he a pussy or do warrirors suck (I'm talking 10+ keys)
i am 378 ilvl
mystic trellis
depends the dung tbh
sick sentinel
duno always just goes emo and say slike you can't heal like a dh or a dk
he won't even attempt them with me fs
mystic trellis
Its just healing after vs reducing damage before
what do they think about brewmasters
mystic trellis
Do you actually main prot or trying to get into it ?
sick sentinel
na i main dps but that due to the negative perception around prot start of xpac
but i have prot traits etc shield i am pretty geared
mystic trellis
I think most the bad prots pick the wrong talents right off the bat
they're pretting unforgiving if you dont have the pretty much required ones
amber siren
your healer sounds like a brat
sick sentinel
think it doesn't help when there seems to be some sort of insanely negative perception of prot too
i don't think it's that bad as people make out
mystic trellis
Im not sure how disc works anymore, but they used to be more shields than heals
sick sentinel
he is just worried he won't be able to dps and then can't push high keys
mystic trellis
The lower the key the more likely the healing tanks can just self sustain but
once its high enough both will need heals.. at the same rate really
sick sentinel
yea i think he is just spoilt so frustrating though
he would rather wait like 30 mins for a tank than play with me even though we discord etc
is my equip tank gear
mystic trellis
Try telling him that even though dks can heal themselves 6/10 times we just end up taking 6/10 the damage over time
numbers not to scale but you get the idea
Not gonna say warrs are just as good as dks right now but.. def not to the point where you cant use em
sick sentinel
yea we are in the 900-1k raider io score bracket so not like we are cutting edge doing 18s
lost mauve
i'm not particularly good at warrior tanking
but I feel like your healer is being unreasonable
especially at your item level
and skill level
chilly brook
Your healer is just being a pansy
atomic gazelle
hey what was that insane warrior with straight 100 parses
sense is a fucking god jesus christ
raven kernel
Not that sense isn't good but he has hardly any competition XD
static lance
Your healer is just being lazy.
static lance
Or else he's terrified that his tank might drop to ~20% health and then he can't burst him back up
Travex? on raider.io?
yeah, and his comp is interesting, too
zinc mauve
@sick sentinel prot warriors can have very predictable incoming damage spikes. the moment you have no defensives, with a disc priest you can just ask for pain suppression or just start the kite machine
tight tree
@sick sentinel Your priest friend is a lazy and bad player.
zinc mauve
not like half of the other tanks kite like a mofo anyway
tight tree
With your ilevel you will crush +10
zinc mauve
oh did he link his profile? lemme just scroll up
yeah waht teh fuck you will smash +10 easy
tight tree
DH will take more damage btw.
zinc mauve
DH just has crazy mobility from my knowledge, thats what sets them apart from us
tight tree
Not much better mobility than warriors
tight tree
And running away is for cowards anyway 😉
static lance
not that much better mobility. but they have some displacement tools and silences
which are useful for mob positioning
zinc mauve
@sick sentinel do you have a piece of armor with deafening crash? your shoulder shows no trait selected so maybe on that piece but...
tight tree
Some healers are just did not get new tanking/healer paradigm. That healers actually need to heal tanks ffs.
obtuse venture
just get 3 good dps and your job tanking will be easy. high dps numbers can really help hide prot deficiencies.
zinc mauve
just have a frost mage and enter kite city
tight tree
His healer is just bad. if my healer said "i rather wait 30 mins for DK or DH" i'd laugh so hard
My healers love me in m+
zinc mauve
ikr
tight tree
They actually learned how to see my shield block on frames
zinc mauve
the only time ive died lately is cause my hud fuckin blows, but ive fixed it
it was covering up the volcanos
tight tree
I am having zero problems
obtuse venture
wait till sanguine week. gonna have to buy that weekly 10
tight tree
at 378 he does not need to kite a +10
obtuse venture
everyone and their grandmas will be sucking dick for DKs
tight tree
spoiled bitches
zinc mauve
people got a hardon for DKs cause they see them at the top of the leaderboards and be like ME NEED ONE
(that and they're strong)
thorn yarrow
Remember it's all about that 👢 🍵 👏
obtuse venture
and they have single and aoe grips
i cannot overstate how useful grips are in pugs.
tight tree
Well they just want an easy life, which i don't get. Imagine DK nerf and all these crybabies instantly fail to run anything because they have to actually heal
thorn yarrow
The group I run every week with now is Hplay/rogue/frostmage/arms we do alright
Really only time we don't make the timer is when I get too greedy or just exhausted from raid an diving right into a key run
tight tree
I run with random guildies, we do fine every time. I run 2 tanks (brew and warrior), brew has more tools, warrior is raw fun blasting everything. I need to level another tank 😉
Different playstyles are fun to mix
thorn yarrow
I will say tho I hate having priest or monk healer they don't feel like they pair well with warrior
Tbh I feel better synergy with pallies/shaman
tight tree
Monk is like the best 🤔
thorn yarrow
Maybe it's just me haha
static lance
monks shouldn't have an issue though. they have HoTs and they have good burst, so they should have you covered.
tight tree
Most trouble i had was with undergeared shaman healer in tyrannical waycrest on witches. He did not have throughput, but we managed fine after some wipes
static lance
maybe if they're trying to juggle AoE healing at the same time, they might fall behind on the tank healing. because trying to maintain Renewing Mists on 3 or more targets while keeping an eye on the tank can be challenging.
thorn yarrow
Not saying monk is bad I just don't feel as confident with them on my back
tight tree
When i tried to play a healer, i am falling behind because i try to DPS all the time, old habits kick in. Coming into melee to punch and kick (on monk) 🤣
After a while "wait i forgot, i need to heal"
tight tree
Lifetime tank/melee DPS player 🤷
sick sentinel
sorry went afk @zinc mauve yea it does and i need to reforge my head but apart from that i'm full tank
zinc mauve
head is OK
unless you mean the secondary/tertiary traits
i didnt really look at those, just hte primary ones
tight tree
But with cirrent trends in encounter design, i think playing melee DPS is so not fun. Everything is so melee unfriendly. Looking into ranged alt for a change.
sick sentinel
i'll probably switch archive for brace and change the secondaries now i have a 385 dps head
i don't raid mythic so idc about archive
tight tree
Chest keep giving me pieces with good traits for arms pvP. I guess its a sign.
zinc mauve
time to pick the arms trait and then still use it for protection anyway?
tight tree
@sick sentinel Just find a healer that is willing to work with you, on warrior you can still do amazing clears. perception makes us look way worse that we really are.
sick sentinel
yea im thinking of just playing with another healer when he aint on
then hopefully once i get some good runs he'll realise
tight tree
This game is about adapting playstyles
If healer is not flexible, he will have bad time overall. In your group or others, DK or not.
sick sentinel
yea i think he kinda needs to understand that past like 12-13 keys you don't have time to be doing 8k dps like on 10s
what would be a good healer for a warrior ideally then if i was finding someone?
tight tree
I had this healer friend in MoP, we ran challenge modes together. It was great time, we adapted and changed lot of strats for playing around our classes limitations. On several tank classes, we cleared full golds together. Pussies cry, real people make things work.
@sick sentinel Depends, i like monks druids and paladins most.
sick sentinel
yea we played that way in legion he was priest i was guardian
now i think the prot warrior melt downs on forums has got to him
tight tree
it is just a meme at this point. Good warriors push through and /lol at forum people.
sick sentinel
yea exactly and it's so frustrating wait like 30 mins for a tank every m+
tight tree
People in guild make jokes, but then we run m+ and everything goes smooth, and healers are fine.
Getting a guild will do good btw (not that it is easy)
sick sentinel
i play +6 hours ahead of EU servers so kinda hard to find a guild with active people haha
sick sentinel
yea so if i play in the evenings my time i get maybe 2 hours of like peak players for runs
and half that time is looking for a tank
stone crag
the forums really aren't a good place to get meaningful information
tight tree
Discord > all
obtuse venture
cant blame ppl for taking the easy way out or trying to play the percentages. they go look at the r.io leaderboards and think right all the tanks names are red for a reason. I have 2hrs tonight to knock out this 10 key lets pick a group comp to max my chances of success.
ultimately its up to blizzard to balance the meta.
raven kernel
Should tell those people to look at themselves before looking at top 10 leaderboard 🙃
celest forum
What's the best place to read up on stackability of azerite traits?
celest forum
@ember arrow where do you place the ignore pain increase on bloodsport? Multiplier or healing addition?
celest forum
Ok, thanks!
Does double bloodsport and a deafening crash compete with crash, brace for impact and iron fortress then?
ember arrow
I dont place anything
outer dew
Hmm
Would a traitless azerite piece of +15 ilvl be better than losing an outer and inner ring
outer dew
Iron forteess and brace for impact I think
obtuse venture
get to last boss of seige 10 with 13 minutes still on the clock. proceed to wipe 10 times and deplete key
monkas
zinc mauve
oh yeah that last boss must be fucking awful on tyrannical
i imagine the void zone just straight up 1 shots
hearty portal
Is there anything new about Prot on the PTR?
Like have they even made any changes so far
obtuse venture
nope
void zones one shots and ppl would randomly get gripped by a tentacle when they were running across the water.
random osprey
@celest forum i calculated that bloodsport mitigates more damage than BFI/IF if you're taking less than 17k blockable damage a second, besides not providing any extra damage.
if you're putting all your excess rage into ignore pain
static lance
huh that new Azerite trait for 8.1 looks pretty interesting.
obtuse venture
eh i dont think adding more things onto avatar is going to do us any favours
outer dew
what's the new az triat?
obtuse venture
Bastion of Might (Prot): Avatar increases your Mastery by 40 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain.
outer dew
...
you're fuckign me
i mean
it's more damage in ava
is that just flat 40
or 40%
obtuse venture
blizz want warriors to go all in on avatar
ember arrow
Can we handle such power?
obtuse venture
i think it scales up depending on ilvl
ember arrow
40 points
junior igloo
It's a flat number, but not 40 (it's 40 at some 2xx item level)
outer dew
much less finding a decent ilvl pieces
static lance
so its really the base value.
obtuse venture
its real issue is avatar does not need more shit tagged on to it. add it to other abilities. everytime you cast revenge that hits 3 or more mobs youo cast ignore pain
manic perch
that would be OP as fuck lol
obtuse venture
obviously you can tweak numbers
but just dont add anymore shit onto avatar. spread that shit out
static lance
yeah, it just adds even more value to Anger Mgmt
it still an interesting idea, though
obtuse venture
my entire life right now revolves around avatar in game and anger management irl
delicate bone
You forgot last stand 😂
gleaming leaf
Hey guys real quick one, is there a spreadsheet showing every single reflectable spell in BFA dungeons for bosses? I remember seeing in Legion that was handy as a refresher
gleaming leaf
Cheers
hazy flame
@outer dew @ember arrow its not 40 mastery or 40%. It's a scaled number. You're probably seeing the absolute base tooltip.
boreal haven
Hey Guys ! Playings as Main and planning to go Prot for M+. Is it really that much bad as all say ?
*playing Arms
stone crag
Only as bad as the player controlling the spec
boreal haven
I suggest, bdk is simply the Best for M+ at all Time.
dreamy gorge
Huh
sick sentinel
@outer dew expect like 400 mastery
obtuse venture
wonder if there will be any prot updates in the Q&A
maybe address the big post lala made on reddit
ember arrow
waht post
summer kestrel
carmine dust
I just want DC to die in a fire, it it does I'll be happy with whatever they do.
sick sentinel
Make dc baseline lol
carmine dust
Ya, that'd work. Anything but "mandatory azerite trait that forces you to downgrade 30+ ilvls" :d
sick sentinel
I'm just memeing
How are Prot warriors for Mythic progress right now? Just looking for opinions from different tank classes/specs on their own spec.
raven kernel
there are several prots on 6/8 or 7/8 atm
junior igloo
It's not
If you had say Heavy Repercussions, DC would probably be weaker than Brace for Impact 1:1
sick sentinel
😬
strong forum
For m+ DC is invaluable
old zephyr
"throw rock meme c
strong forum
Luckily I have 370 DC shoulders, but it wad a pain running 5 weeks with 340 shoulders
junior igloo
The problem is that DC is balanced, then you add BV (which makes Demo Shout stronger and therefore its up-time more important), then you add Unstoppable Force (so you spam a lot more Thunder Claps), then you add Anger Management (so you have both Avatar and Demo Shout twice as often) and it's out of hand.
But that's just talents being broken, not the trait as such
carmine dust
Big part of it is the synergy, that's true. Less talent shoehorning could be a nice workaround :V
ember arrow
Tomato tomato
carmine dust
Atm it's where we're pigeonholed doe.
old zephyr
But without the broken taken we are failrly week
junior igloo
They shouldn't nerf DC, they should fix the talent tree (which is the underlying problem causing a bunch of other issues for the spec) instead.
ember arrow
We are fairly weak wit it
old zephyr
I want to be able to run impending victory storms Bolt dragon roar and ravager for MORE buttons without beeing crap or at least have real choices
old zephyr
Or we could have à Shield Slam build that6is7viable with punish and HR
And why not devasta
Devastator
sick sentinel
It was super nerfed
sick sentinel
Also having button you can press that gives you rage is useful
carmine dust
All the talents on that row shoulda been rage generators imo.
sick sentinel
It used to give you 5 rage
old zephyr
Devastator main nerf is that it has to compete with booming voice
And It's not amazing anymore Because it has à lot of chance to clip the proc with regular procs
If Shield Slam had de charge system (Maybe with one of6the SS talents) it would be much better
junior igloo
Well that was always the case.
It used to also give rage directly, but overall just a balance issue.
BV is balanced around the idea that you use Demo Shout once per 45s.
Using it every 25s (because of AM) makes BV the clear winner
sick sentinel
Yeah that's also a thing to consider
junior igloo
I'd like it if UF, Bolster and BV were moved to the same row.
That way you always have exactly one of your cooldowns buffed (rather than 0 or all 3) and you can balance Anger Management with that in mind (rather than balance it for 0 and then have 3).
old zephyr
That would be pretty Nice indeed
Have devastator, indomitable and punish together as well ?
sick sentinel
Not sure what I would pick of those 3 actually
old zephyr
That's kinda the point
sick sentinel
I know
old zephyr
Currently all rows have obviously superior picks
junior igloo
Then you rebalance some of the talent a bit depending on where they end up in the new tree.
Now we have multiple choices and can use different talent setups (AM for more cooldowns vs. HR for more Shield Block up-time for example) in different situations.
You can also buff the class baseline because there isn't one extreme talent setup.
Another nice improvement would be a new mastery that is less RNG and works in dangerous situation (Crit Block only has a chance to proc when you already blocked - but we would prefer more defense against unblocked hits which is what kills us more often).
sick sentinel
throw rock
daring patrol
gimme +22 nelth's fortified throw rock and call it a day
old zephyr
When you use Shield block, all attacks and spell become blockable and you Block them for an extra insertMathHere %.
Only Last 1 (more ?) attack
We keep the critblock fantasy but it becomes usefull and not rng
It also get closer to other tanks mastery that directly boost their active mitigation
And we keep the idea that good warriors Will be able to pull amazing things with well timed AM
junior igloo
Well it's less RNG, but it deepens the issue of being strong during shield block but extremely vulnerable outside of it
Kinda like the old paladin mastery that was changed because of that
old zephyr
Fair enough
Well we could always bring back manaroth as mastery
But as a rule of thumb mastery is linked to a core ability for tanks
ember arrow
@daring patrol u were tanking them? 🤔
daring patrol
nah, just replying to captain's comment
old zephyr
in't not a core stat
but linked to a core ability IE, Death strike
I had typos in my text sry
paladin mastery is linke dto consecration
DH to demon spikes
Monk Blackout kick
and druid sort of with Frenzied Regeneration
the question is : What is our defining ability as a warrior?
daring patrol
imo, shield slam/block
sick sentinel
^^
old zephyr
shield block being out for reasons meiffert mentionned this lead us with shield slam
but Punish already exist as a talent
I would love something that boost our various shouts
but that would be too situationnal
I guess all that is left is IP
IP heals you for X% of what is absorbed over the duration it lasted?
primal crypt
Just give me a rage dump off the gcd
Irks me everytime
SS proc, rage cap inc, block is already up, could use IP.............
Revenge lul...
My OCD is all over the place
ember arrow
Ok
daring patrol
could make crit block scale off crit, bake HR into mastery (more = more extension and SS damage)
im sleep deprived
tall wadi
crit is already a crazy good defensive stat
stone crag
wat
daring patrol
its just unreliable is all
daring patrol
yeah, was meaning more it's the reason you dont gun solely for crit
sick sentinel
in M+, where you are getting pummeled by like 5+ melee mobs, crit and mastery are really really good
next goblet
fucking healer last night said he refused to dispell on zul because "it'll ruin my parse" bitch i need kills not parses lol
next goblet
uldir
uneven mason
"I don't mass dispell because it eats my mana"
next goblet
holy pally
uneven mason
Wat was he dispelling?
uneven mason
I mean seriously on Zul
Unless you mean fear
which, dead people make for worse parses
next goblet
it could be the fear
i wasn't really there, my guild leader was telling me about it because work had called me in
primal crypt
Oh man....my warrior is being accepted into groups instantly now :)
I like it i like it
uneven mason
Still no prot changes on PTR 😪
primal crypt
Just took a bit of hard farming
tight tree
With that attitude he should be kicked asap.
next goblet
yeah if he does it tonight we're just booting instantly
tight tree
DH on Zul: "i will not dispell, it is a DPS loss" guildkick
next goblet
ill actually be there
i told the GM, we can pug a healer, and we can pug dps, they're a dime a dozen.. and most likely they'll listen because they want the kill
tight tree
Special snowflakes have no place in team effort activity
novel comet
@next goblet kick the fucker
next goblet
not booting people like that actually causes guilds to break up
novel comet
Oh it’s one of those
tight tree
I would say so many explicit russian slurs at him then kick him
next goblet
and im not about to let the guild i've been raiding with since late TBC to just fall apart lol
thorn yarrow
we had a hunter with a similar attitude because "mding the tank" was pointless for trash on Zul
we were like thats cool helping the raid is pointless bye bitch /wave
novel comet
No offense meant but, if one person leaving your guild of being told to fix their shit or sit will destroy your guild....
Your guild has some issues
next goblet
the other officers are kinda push overs, and newer... im like one of 2 vet officers left
and no im saying NOT booting them
can cause it to disband
novel comet
Oh !
next goblet
ye
novel comet
Word
next goblet
my bad
novel comet
Yeah no anchors
next goblet
poor choice of words
novel comet
Cut the dead weight 😃
thorn yarrow
our guild has so many players it wouldnt matter if we lost 1 person got so many active members its lol
next goblet
psh they have their anchor right here 
novel comet
Lol
thorn yarrow
30 people for prog and 10 waiting in the wing to join mythic at any given time
next goblet
big daddy fuzz
next goblet
hell yeah bb
novel comet
Heroic Mythrax trinket decent? Got that the other night.
chrome falcon
nope
thorn yarrow
@novel comet I make use of it an love it some dislike it
novel comet
Does it at least work in world pvp? 🤣
thorn yarrow
if u drop below 40 it pops dont think it matters where
novel comet
That’s like one greater pyro
primal crypt
Really good for higher keys too
primal crypt
Lets you play off a mistake
thorn yarrow
an yes I have had it safe my ass in 10+
primal crypt
Mini CD
thorn yarrow
its what we shoulda had as a defensive tbh
novel comet
Lol pretty much thought the same thing
thorn yarrow
I also use it cause I cant get Howler to drop to save my damn life
primal crypt
Its not the best trinket
thorn yarrow
but when you turn purple you know ya either goofed up or healer did so its a good warning sign
uneven mason
I Need to parse > Can't Parse unless the mob dies > Can't kill the mob unless I perform a mechanic > Mechanic will ruin my parse - The mentality of the average LFR raider.
grim prism
I would also bench that guy tbh
uneven mason
Watch for the early warning signs, kick early, kick often
Keeps it from spreading
But yeah the instant I hear/see a healer say the words "My Parse"
They go in the 50IQ Bucket
Because healer parses are only for the folks who have shitty raiders who don't perform mechnics so tey take more damage
Mind you the exception to that is, when you're intentionally using less healers than average, because your healers are badasses
but if you're using 4-5 healers (You're not going to parse for shit)
grim prism
Pretty much heals parses are the ultimate exercise in meaningless dickwaving
Great, you can snipe
Grats
uneven mason
Yeha i had a Holydin during Legion who liked to dickwave
and I'd be like oh ok...lets look at your mana efficiency and how often the other ehalers overhealed at the same time - OH LOOKIE, you parsed because you sniped heals and caused other healers to waste mana
you parsed grey boi
He quit
We replaced him with a Wheelchair paladin
our kill efficiency went up by 12% and no one died.
+++
manic perch
lol we have guys who go overgeared to heal lower raids just to get 99% parses 😛
daring patrol
that's different though
manic perch
and then brag about it endlessly
grim prism
You'd think that would self-correct
When they get laughed out
For posting normal parses
thorn yarrow
LOL
uneven mason
On healing
grim prism
oooooof
uneven mason
As a warrior
grim prism
Add >ilvl parsing to my above post
thorn yarrow
Im thankful my server is small-med so we dont have to worry about stupid shit like this often**
thorn yarrow
Skywall/Drak'thul has almost no one Almost Sane is practically the only guild besides Astral right now doing anything
hell our 2nd group is like 5th on prog an we stop at heroic only our main group is 2/8 mythic*
but we have so many members replacing clowns is mad ez
junior ivy
omg do we have war fronts
thorn yarrow
never!
junior ivy
oh wait we have the thing where we prepare for war front rigfht?
signal plover
junior ivy
ohhh i see
i dont like war fronts theyre so boring
but i guess itll get my alt a 370 piece..
thorn yarrow
RiP I dont have warfront
ornate sky
Just scrolling down and I’d like to mention a retarded binding heal priest who gloats about his parses
When he’s basically just healing himself
Thanks
old zephyr
stand in fire for more parses, works even better as a healer
sand egret
has anyone read that Brewmaster post on the subreddit? I had a good chuckle
TLDR: : "we didn't realize how easy our class was to play and succeed until now!"
Warriors: "MMHMMMMMM"
static lance
which post?
sand egret
It may be a few pages back, but it was a really informative post from Brews talking about how some person came into the discord, posted logs and upon inspection not only did they have predictable "beginner" mistakes, but they also saw he had a clean heroic Fetid kill. So the article is about how a well played vs poorly played Brew really doesn't change their overall mitigation. Rather, it's just more "spiky" for healers (but overall not even that much more noticeable).
blissful imp
Lol, just got done reading it and the comments
It amazes me how many people want Tanks to be unkillable DPS that don't need external healing
That's not what the serenity post says, but most of the comments are people whining that they die sometimes
zinc mauve
A good tank in my eyes minimizes healing necessary while maximizing dps
gray parrot
Did you guys watch the Method interview last week?
and the Limit interview this week, both about their World 1st and 2nd on Ghuun
tank specs were discussed a bit
Brew was obviously the "more room for error" spec but Prot War was mentioned as being up there in how good it was
Preach also said Brewmaster has not been good on the new raid in the PTR
so heres to hoping Prot climbs the ranks 😄
blissful imp
@gray parrot got a link to these interviews?
gray parrot
yea one sec and ill find them
amber siren
@junior ivy gnomes are real people pepehands
gray parrot
@blissful imp Method interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5d4mxfk-fw&t=6218s
Limit interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5fUTd9lFwE&t=6409s
grim prism
gnomes are halfpersons
chrome falcon
i have literally never seen anything as funny as that brewmaster post
blissful imp
Thanks brotha
gray parrot
👍
chrome falcon
i have never seen a group of people cry that their spec is too easy
sour iron
any chance for a link? can't find
chrome falcon
and they even sounded SURPRISED that the class that comes with like 60% DR baked in is pretty easy
fucking incredible
sick sentinel
Cringe tbh
delicate prism
Gib link to brewmaster post plz
open bluff
i think people are misinterpreting the point of that post; it's not "wah brm is too easy" it's "what the fuck why even bother if actually pushing buttons means nothing"
which... could be interpreted as "brm is too easy," but it's more complaining about the fact that the spec's AM is effectively useless because of such high base stagger
chrome falcon
and they're right
delicate prism
Yep
zinc mauve
Gnome dk
past ledge
Hey guys, Jess howler trinket is BIS right?
zinc mauve
It's good yes
past ledge
whats a good DPS trinket for us?
amber siren
Anything with a high amount of STR is a good choice
past ledge
[Disc of Systematic Regression] is it good?
past ledge
i need a dps trinket
junior ivy
oh
past ledge
its the BIS dps trinket?
open bluff
well, it certainly outperforms trinkets 10-15 ilvls higher
sand egret
@open bluff totally agree, yeah I don't think it was about their class being too easy, but rather the revelation that due to the nature of Stagger itself being good actually means less
past ledge
fathoms compared to [Disc of Systematic Regression] ?
sand egret
also, Blockades literally saved my life last night. We have a new bond.
the proc crit and was the saving heal on a pull-gone-wrong
sick sentinel
Having a trinket to pop during avatar is a good dps boost for aoe
past ledge
i just need to pump up more dps
sick sentinel
Disk is nice for dps
sick sentinel
Do you have fathoms already?
past ledge
i can get it
quartz lake
I've been comparing my logs to top prot warrior on my server and was surprised to see that they use shield block far more than ignore pain, whilst raiding. What do you guys use more often?
old zephyr
rezan gleeming eye is amaizing trinket
pallid axle
anyone tips on mother and zek'voz M?
old zephyr
for mother if you are on add duties, keep avatar for when you cross the gates
past ledge
@sick sentinel i dont have it atm, but i can get it for free from a friend so
quartz lake
use spell reflect when you go through gates too, minimizes magic damage
dusk locust
zek you can have last stand up for every combo. make sure you block the second hit and spell reflect the third. also if you save a bunch of rage you can ignore pain all three
old zephyr
spec into rumbling earth to stunn the adds
scenic storm
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone knows of any good prot warrior twitch steams going on for bfa..
pallid axle
so nothing new for tanks? 😄 all the same in mythic besides higher DTPS?
past ledge
if i wont ?
past ledge
ah
chilly brook
Gnomes are disgusting
scenic storm
Thanks..
junior ivy
@chilly brook 😡
chilly brook
Panda master race
primal crypt
LUL
junior ivy
you cant do it
chilly brook
I must cleanse the holy land
primal crypt
Rest in rip
random osprey
@quartz lake shield block should be used as much as possible
chilly brook
And yes it’s disgusting
primal crypt
Like a piece of paper
chilly brook
Especially that mog
primal crypt
LUL
junior ivy
WHATS WRONG WITH THE MOG
primal crypt
SO TINY
junior ivy
its times like this i miss Thyme 😡
chilly brook
Full set low res grody
primal crypt
wheres thyme anyway
old zephyr
nah this is panda
primal crypt
Son.....you need to re-evaluate
chilly brook
If you’re gonna be a thunder boi you better look the part amirite?
sick sentinel
You can't play literally the worst race in the game and call gnomes anything
chilly brook
“Worst race”
Sims highest
Lul
And to be honest pandas literally have the best animations
wild bolt
Maybe in a world where Tauren don't exist
primal crypt
^
wild bolt
Until then....Mooooooooooooo, bb
chilly brook
Tauren? Lol they’re so stiff
uneven mason
OMNOMNOMNOM
primal crypt
It's all subjective
chilly brook
And they honestly don’t look good in most armor imo
primal crypt
Everyone's eyes are broken
tranquil kraken
Yeah helms are a problem on tauren most of the time lol
sick sentinel
True
sand egret
Bruh Dark Iron or bust
junior ivy
tauren look big and tough if thats what you like but thats not the aesthetic im going for with my prot wariror
sand egret
i'm FLYING around these dungeons, that movespeed is OP
junior ivy
the small, cute and pink-haired aesthetic
sand egret
there is only one issue with Dorfs and Spicey Bois. Not enough beard-friendly helmets
sick sentinel
Well playing alliance is bad taste anyway
chilly brook
Plus there’s nothing better being a panda and killing people arenas as a panda
sand egret
pshh, too many horde
wild bolt
#factionwar
sand egret
I like my small pond, thank you 😃
chilly brook
At that point you know that the guy losing is pissed just because you’re a panda
wild bolt
lol, can't argue that