I wanna know what key he presses to use devastate and ask why he loves touching it so much
#protection
solid mist
just say "I have this great devstate macro" and send him a macro that has the devstate icon but just casts TC
problem solved
chilly brook
And he still did 9k DPS 🤔
sick sentinel
How does he not have permanent hand cramps with using dev that much
chilly brook
What’s this dude’s ilvl?
sick sentinel
when I am lazy I am doing 123123123123 sometimes (1 being deva, 2 being SS and 3 being TC) but not during raids or relevant content
vagrant cape
370 equipped
chilly brook
I wish my kills on fetid were 2:08
vagrant cape
he's way better as using last stand more than me, though
that's something I could work on
chilly brook
My best on fetid was 7.5k at 353 ilvl
sick sentinel
is he using it on CD? 😛
chilly brook
Fight lasted like 2:57
sick sentinel
is he even using DC?
chilly brook
Yea saw that
chilly brook
😑
solid mist
how do you see/figure out Demo Shout uptime?
vagrant cape
go to debuffs and in the uppter right of the graph, select "cast by friendly"
vagrant cape
his deeps wounds uptime is consistently higher than mine, though
so that's something...
vagrant cape
"What's your prot warrior strat?"
"Oh, I just use devastate on cooldown."
chilly brook
With spamming Devastate
solid mist
ah perfect ty
sick sentinel
deep wounds are applied by devastate
vagrant cape
yep
chilly brook
^
vagrant cape
that's the joke.
chilly brook
But like our longest fight on Zek I had 60% uptime on DS
vagrant cape
I'm gonna take a look at our mythic fights
oh damn
he uses TC more than devastate on mother
but... only on adds?
he goes for 30 seconds without using it once
and then another minute and a half at the end
without thunderclapping at all
chilly brook
I was also doing 12k cuz that cleave is glorious
solid mist
does he think like... it's bad for ST and should only be used for AOE?
vagrant cape
maybe.
chilly brook
He’s losing out on so much rage
vagrant cape
I know he uses it more during avatar
so that could be it
holy moly. in a 5.5 minute mother fight, he uses demo shout 3 times, avatar 3 times, last stand once, and shield block... once?!?!?
ONE SHIELD BLOCK?!?!
what the fork
solid mist
see he needs the 6pack and booze item
vagrant cape
he never used ignore pain
solid mist
just swap to brewmaster
chilly brook
Big oof
vagrant cape
I guess there's no reason to ever use IP if you avoid all the damage
and he doesn't tank the boss
the DK does
so he's basically backup
but he's missing so much SS damage
vagrant cape
and CD reduction
chilly brook
I don’t typically use SB if I’m backup
chilly brook
He did a little further up
plain ice
ty!
vagrant cape
damn, his zek is actually really good from what I'm seeing
wait
no.
it's a 9 minute fight
ok
9 avatars, 16 demo shouts. good
14 spell reflects, nice
vagrant cape
overall, not terrible
but then I saw the opener.
shield slam > devastate > shield slam > then avatar/demo
then a whole lot of devastating during avatar
he frequently does 2-3 casts between his TCs during avatar
but now I'm just really nit-picking
I guess he just wasn't trying that hard on heroic
chilly brook
That’s not really nitpicking tbh
He shouldn’t cast more than one thing between TC’s in Avatar
solid mist
yeah tha'ts like... pretty key. During avatar every other GCD should be TC
vagrant cape
true, but I was just looking at the first avatar, I shouldn't generalize all his avatars based on the first one
chilly brook
I mean like he takes less damage than I do from what I can see on Zek but I also have higher healing from IP
signal plover
He may be overlapping his initial demo into first combo
vagrant cape
looking at our best vectis pull he has 44% demo uptime going into the 2nd intermission
not sure if that's good or not if we take the intermission into account
chilly brook
But it’s also skewed because we basically die on purpose on all our pulls by grabbing a million adds because no one can do mechanics
Vectis is difficult to gauge
signal plover
Prolly wouldn't get too hung up on demo shout
On either fight
DS may be held there for certain situations.
chilly brook
On Zek? I definitely would it’s not hard to have high uptime on Zek
There’s not much you actually need to hold it for
You can easily take the combo without it
And it might only be held for ~10 seconds if you’re waiting for adds to spawn
signal plover
Yeah but like 60% uptime
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Again it’s not a kill but on our longest fight I had 60ish % uptime and that was with delaying for adds
runic fjord
huh
chilly brook
I’d still expect at minimum 50% uptime on most fights
runic fjord
new prot azerite trait got datamined just now
chilly brook
The avatar one?
runic fjord
yea
chilly brook
You’re late to the party lol
sick sentinel
MORE THUNDER STOMP
signal plover
Let's bring it home lads
sick sentinel
We are THUNDERWARRIORS
chilly brook
My name is Thor
sick sentinel
im not.
chilly brook
Nah I’m having a helluva time in prot
Outside of randomly running into ret pally’s in the open world and crying myself to sleep
chilly brook
The fight lasts a good 3 minutes in prot vs ret and you’re slowly losing the battle
grim prism
"Slowly losing the battle" describes pretty much any 1v1 engagement you dont run from as prot
Killing an enemy player as prot war says more about them than it does about you
chilly brook
Truth
I remember when people at the beginning of the xpac tried saying that you should win 1v1s as prot 🤔
uneven mason
I mean, Prot in Legion was uh
well all tanks were fairly unkillable
Folks expected some of the same
instead we get "well, good luck with that rage gen"
Prot is still my favorite "I really want to just irritate the crap out of those guys"
roots stuns and knockbacks OMY
solid mist
are any of the tank specs particularly great at pvp?
vagrant cape
compared to non-tanks or compared to tanks?
because I think bears are the best pvp tanks
but still bad
overall
snow pebble
chilly brook
Bear is viable in pvp 3s for one reason
Thorns
Errrr brambles
It’s actually stupid
No matter who the person attacks they’re takin brambles damage
plain ice
prot paladin for arena & vdh for RBGs
sick sentinel
or Prot Warr rbgs.
Sense has shown it works. good target caller/focus swap. Constant AOE pressure/1s root spam kiting, constant -20% damage done by ALL enemy team, all the time, forever. unless you're afk.
prot warr RBGs fun.
no issues with rage btw.
tropic star
sand egret
Oh man, Morale Killer + Booming Voice is so, so wonderful
sick sentinel
It is a magical world.
that + oppressor + thunderstruck.
enemy melee is forever sigh
sand egret
let's not forget with its CDR you can actually get HR + Punish + the PvP crit talent for meaty SS's
Shield Slamming a rogue is quite satisfying.
sick sentinel
prot role is AOE suppression/kiting though. not ST damage SS.
you'd get more damage imo doing archive + x2 deafening crashes.
sand egret
well sir, you will never take my shield smacks from me
sick sentinel
take it to the arena!
bring back ATC.
then you can archive + x2 BFI + S&B talent + Punish + HR + Doom's Fury for meatiest shield slams.
...that still wont hit as hard as tclaps 30k+
sand egret
yeah probably, it's mostly because I go with Dragon Roar and mess around with just combo'ing that. TClap is probably the better choice, but I like smacky smackys
sick sentinel
I like hurting the whole team cus they always think ignoring prot is an okay thing to do.
I'm sure Sense can relate.
sand egret
and let's be honest, it's the only time I can actually switch from THE BUILD so =_)
sick sentinel
yeah.
Senss is 2400+ MMR but for some reason his Armory shows no rating!
I forgot about Leave No Man Behind
he has that + safeguard
geez. that person would never die lol
oh, arena!
odd storm
Guys, I have a pretty general question. I'm a newer Prot player without a whole lot of experience with the class/spec. What are your general thoughts/philosophies for Shield Block usage?>
grim prism
If you're taking melees, block them
If you dont have enough block charges, then hope to god you picked bolster as a talent
That covers probs 95% of situations
delicate prism
If a mob is cast a shoot you need to press many Fs
odd storm
Makes sense. What muddies things for me is Block boosting the damage of Slam
So balancing those two factors against one another
grim prism
If you have any concern whatsoever about survivability, use block exclusively for defense
odd storm
Don't want to waste it as a mitigation
delicate prism
That only needs actual brain cell usage if you're offtanking.
delicate prism
In that case you just don't let charges cap
odd storm
RIght, so capped charges is always wrong ... like most things
odd storm
Which in theory it won't at the lower level I am playing
delicate prism
If they don't then you can just save them for when you're tanking
odd storm
I am still leveling my Prot Warrior, just trying to get my brain around the nuances the best I can before I start tanking harder stuff
Don't want to nbe one of those Tank Bros I hate so much
grim prism
If you are going to be tanking again before you have both charges up, just wait
If youre offtanking for extended periods, or not worried about survival, then block forever and slam your ass off
primal crypt
Dps is
sand egret
to be honest, a lot of your damage is coming out of TClap anyway
primal crypt
Gotta do more dmg
odd storm
That comes back around to my original question
odd storm
Obviously sitting on Block is bad
sand egret
man I typed that wrong, apologies
odd storm
Sitting and never using
wild bolt
So pretty clear based on the new Azerite trait that our "niche" is being the cooldown tank then? Kinda how DK's were originally in Wrath?
uneven mason
You don't say
sand egret
Generally speaking if you are actively tanking a boss and they're not about to do something that stops attacks for a few seconds, then you should have "Block up". Quotes are there because LS counts via Bolster
odd storm
I made a very tough decision to level my Prot Warrior over my BDK
primal crypt
Why not both
odd storm
Time is money, man
sand egret
hehe well Prot, to some, feels very rewarding if played "right"
primal crypt
Better make more money then
odd storm
I'm in grad school and don't have the time to level all 9 of my 110s I had at the end of Legion
sand egret
others, find it a point of frustration that they need to try "harder" to yeild similar results
odd storm
Priest is my main, sitting at 362, raiding Heroic and running whatever M+ I can get into
Leveled my Arcane Mage to 120 on a whim when my wife leveled her Pally
sand egret
Prot's current tanking style is fundamentally diff from the rest of the tanks atm, so it's going to be diff. I like how it plays, personally
uneven mason
Prot isn't very weekend warrior friendly
odd storm
But honestly not having the legendary chest piece makes it less appealing to me right now
To smooth out the rotation
sand egret
takes a bit of getting used to how to weave in our cds and a bit more study on what packs do what, but over all you can get used to it
uneven mason
We're not complicated, we're just easy to make death inducing mistakes on
prisma crane
yea but that's not exactly new
odd storm
I lkike the balance between complexity and simplkicity of Prot Warr
SO many buttons, finding a good binding scheme was a little tough
odd storm
Hey by the way ...
hushed ravine
Should a 363 fury war be able to slap on a 340 1h&shield and tank a +7 easy?
uneven mason
because we have 0 reactionary
sand egret
yeah because we aren't "reactive" but "proactive:"
prisma crane
@hushed ravine sure
odd storm
You guys are easily the best class community I've run into to talk about stuff like this
uneven mason
@hushed ravine that is 100% dependant on how bad you are at prot
hushed ravine
Xd
uneven mason
you can tank a +7 at 330 as prot if you know what your doing
sick sentinel
boys?
hushed ravine
@odd storm that’s because the war discord is actively trying to make everyone better players
odd storm
350 seems plenty for a 6
sick sentinel
keep in mind I have like 266 vers on my gear total
hushed ravine
Not shitting on each other and flexing deeps Rowena
sand egret
yeah it wasn't really tough per se
sick sentinel
without it
uneven mason
@odd storm requires high IQ to Prot
sand egret
well uh let's say that +6 KR did not let me make any mistakes
hushed ravine
I can’t find a +7 on my war so I figured I’d just rank it
sand egret
haha
chilly brook
@odd storm if you’re looking for a video guide I’ll have one up a little later this evening
primal crypt
Warrior discord is best discord
uneven mason
At least 201
primal crypt
Honestly
odd storm
Well, that's why I am here picking your guys' brains about Shield Block usage
primal crypt
We're all dumb together
chilly brook
Assuming my roommate decides to stop watching soccer
uneven mason
Shield block - if you're being melee'd use it
primal crypt
Riding that short shield bus
hushed ravine
SB is for nerds imo
odd storm
I'm about 115.5, making sure I'm as high IQ as I can get when I start doing harder stuff after 120
hushed ravine
Don’t use it
uneven mason
deathmuffin confirmed BDK spy
odd storm
Proactive with stuff, and making sure I cast the right shit at the right time
hushed ravine
Nah I’m from the fury channel
primal crypt
My favorite thing to do is prove people wrong about the capabilities of prot warriors
sand egret
I would also strongly recommend using "The Build"
odd storm
Because I am constantly surprised just how much stuff the Prot Warrior has
uneven mason
So hows that losing to tanks in AE DPS going for you than?
odd storm
What is "The Build"?
hushed ravine
Bad 😦
sand egret
hit up the pins
odd storm
Riger that, brb
sick sentinel
vagrant cape
I got a 99 parse on heroic zul last night and it felt incredible
hushed ravine
Fury?
vagrant cape
prot
hushed ravine
Ah
vagrant cape
so about 20% more dps than fury
hushed ravine
Now you can get into a good guild
outer dew
doubt it
vagrant cape
I'm in the best guild on my server
vagrant cape
including mine 😢
wild bolt
Grats @vagrant cape !
vagrant cape
I was filling in on alt night
I don't tank mythic
if you were here earlier, you woulda seen the logs of the current prot warrior tank
that we tore to shreds
wild bolt
Still, a 99 parse in H w/out M gear.. pretty dope.
hushed ravine
Rank 1 fury on heroic zul is 23.9k dps
uneven mason
100% healing parses Feelsgoodman
outer dew
parsing is hella weird this expac
vagrant cape
oh, my ilvl is like 374, I've got plenty of mythic gear XD I just play as arms and use prot loot spec unless there's a weapon
wild bolt
Ahh right on 😄
hushed ravine
Arms feels soo clunky tho
vagrant cape
really?
vagrant cape
I have most rage than I know what to do with as arms
outer dew
I don't feel GCD locked
vagrant cape
more*
outer dew
but yea
hushed ravine
I feel like it has some weird downtime’s where all you have is ww and you don’t want to spend rage to not be able to MS in 1 second
outer dew
my prot off spec went up in 9 ilvls
hushed ravine
But I might just be bad
outer dew
i mean, i'm okay with that
odd storm
Thanks for the talk, guys. Off to class for me
outer dew
sometimes you chill on a gcd
hushed ravine
I’m so use to fury where you loose dps buy not filling every gcd
With any available
vagrant cape
this is for the arms channel. I'd love to disucss more, but we're in the wrong channel for it 😛
hushed ravine
:3
outer dew
but yea
hushed ravine
So tankings fun yeah?
outer dew
my prot spec went from 366->372 last night
odd storm
Okay to clarify ...
outer dew
lmao
odd storm
"The Build"
hushed ravine
The build
vagrant cape
Anyone got any prot warrior uldir logs? I'd love to review em
odd storm
Not finding a specific reference to that
outer dew
sitting at 377 equiped arms and 378 bag
vagrant cape
@odd storm 1123211 talents with 1 DC trait
sick sentinel
I have HC logs if you care
outer dew
cba to learn fights on uldir as a tank
vagrant cape
aka "the build" aka 👢 🍵 👏 aka "Stomp the yard"
zinc mauve
Why not?
sick sentinel
byron want some HC logs?
vagrant cape
gimme
uneven mason
@odd storm There is literally 1 build suggested in the Icy Veins guide, its 1223211 (30 and 75 are variable)
hushed ravine
sick sentinel
outer dew
prot pala has some niches, blood dk with grip is juicy
and brew is just gonna smooth damage like a mofo
sick sentinel
we are a casual guild so lot's of wipes progressing on mythraxx, zul and zekvoz
uneven mason
You can pick whatever you want on the Utility/CC tiers but
vagrant cape
@sick sentinel any particular fights you're having a hard time on?
uneven mason
Basically its ITF/UF/Bolster/BV/AM
sick sentinel
we had a hard time on mythraxx
uneven mason
without those talents, Prot doesn't function
vagrant cape
are you kage or synchy?
sick sentinel
kage
vagrant cape
okie dokie
vagrant cape
first thing I notice: devastate is most used ability. that's interesting. no, this is a prot warrior log
ember arrow
vagrant cape
yeah, looking at last sunday mythrax
outer dew
i mean
i can figure he's fury purely bnecause he's top of the meters
for some fights
if ya prot is top of the meters
something sus
🤔
sick sentinel
like I just got a 95 parce as fury on HC taloc
and I do not even use darkmoon trinket
vagrant cape
so the main thing that stands out to me is a 27% uptime on demo shout. You only cast is 11 times in an 8-minute fight, you should be aiming for 15-16 ideally. I understand that running around grabbing orbs takes you away from the boss, but still
snow hinge
so how important are prot triats because my traits are archives and laser matrix and my reforge is 20k for my next trait lol
sick sentinel
I do not cast it when I am not tanking :/
grim prism
@odd storm this may have been covered while I was gone, but "casting shit at the right time" and "macroing block to slam" are mutually exclusive
vagrant cape
I saw you didn't cast avatar until 20 seconds in and I got really confused
30 seconds*
sick sentinel
that's the first tank swap
snow hinge
anyone?
sick sentinel
I want to have DC up for the whole duration
@snow hinge get at least 1 DC trait ( even on a 340 ilvl) and the rest go with ilvl
grim prism
@snow hinge DC is critically important, the rest are meh
sick sentinel
the whole duration I am tanking I mean
zinc mauve
Anything else is not as important. If you're doing Uldir just have the reorigination array
vagrant cape
you used demo at 20 seconds, then waited 10 seconds to use avatar. You say you want to last the whole tanking duration, yet the demo shout falls off 9 seconds after you used avatar
vagrant cape
you cast it too late and weaved too many other casts in
so the demo fell off
at 40 seconds
wild bolt
I'll have logs after tomorrow. Our raid schedule is wonky so we only go on Th/F for Heroic now
snow hinge
is the dc trait hard to get?
uneven mason
Its only on dungeon gear
vagrant cape
and demo doesn't go back onto anything until 76 seconds
uneven mason
so its hard to get in high ilvl
uneven mason
well, Dungeon gear and the PVP shoulders
sick sentinel
AAAAAAAAA
vagrant cape
I'm haunted by devastate
candid cove
It’s not that hard to get now with the cache I’ll upgrade kappa
snow hinge
and i just scrapped my lower ilvl dungeon gear :/
uneven mason
Its still RNG as hell Vurtt
grim prism
@snow hinge item restore it
sick sentinel
uneven mason
its "easier" but still a massive migraine
grim prism
Dead serious
sick sentinel
you can item restore it.
vagrant cape
can you item restores scrapped items?
snow hinge
ok ill try
sick sentinel
unless you do it all the time.
wild bolt
You can restore scrapped items, yes. Our Ret paladin had to.
uneven mason
Its literally an automated process you do every 15days
you must have the items in your bags tho
so be prepared for an AH trip
outer dew
aite
uneven mason
it CODs them to you with a cost of the materials that were generated
outer dew
small story, I got my BIS trinket on my ele shaman, jumped into PVP.
vagrant cape
shit, I have class in 2 minutes. peace! sorry for cutting the review short, unyuun
outer dew
my disenchant button is right next to my trinket...
my dumbass DE's my trinket in the first arena i do
;DDDDD
candid cove
I gave up my dc. It’s in my bags. I’ll see how bad my raid is this week.
outer dew
just heard the small dink when you DE and went wtf
i mean weren't people like, worth 45 ilvls?
void sandal
When will they make a shield mog that comes close to the quality of Bulwark of Azzinoth? I'm so tired of these curly hunks of metal with spikes and skulls
outer dew
I wonder how it looks like on different races
rich robin
Here's void elf for you
long mesa
Is ignore pain a pain to use for anyone else?
long mesa
Its like, i just ignored pain now time to shield slam or literally anything else, omg my ignore pain ran out need to wait an eternity to refresh it now!
grim prism
I mean it shouldnt be more than like 1.2 sec to wait unless youre ragestarved
You should be using IP to supplement other defensives
It isnt a standalone and you shouldnt forego rage generating abilities unless it's an immediate survival requirement
long mesa
So if i have shield block up can i ignore ignore pain?
long mesa
Nice nice
grim prism
I like to keep it up as much as possible, especially since it is our only consistent rage spender
It does advance anger mgmt after all
But it may not really be necessary in some cases
grim prism
Pz
outer dew
tell your healer to heal you more
long mesa
I really dislike it. DK’s shield is tied to doing damage so its not meh feeling when u deathstrike. But ignore pain is just... kill me pls
primal crypt
ignore pain LUL
wild bolt
Yeah I should probably spend more rage on Revenge than I do. I tend to dump nearly all of my rage into IP and only hit Revenge when it's free. I don't know that it'd be a huge dps gain, but a gain is a gain, right?
Woops, sorry, that conversation was from 10m ago!
outer dew
i mean
wild bolt
#timestampftw
outer dew
the way i've been approaching m+
is sb->sb->last stand->sb->sb dump my rage in doing damage
and run like a bitch afterwards
wild bolt
haha
They wouldn't have given us Heroic Leap if they didn't intend us to use it, right? 😄
outer dew
you're not wrong
wild bolt
Smack, smack, smack, Jump Away, metal cow!
wild bolt
That just means you bounce more when you leap
outer dew
ya know
panda racial has saved me in KR's too many times
fucking up on that giant boi
survive with like 10% hp on the drop
wild bolt
Oh yah. The number of deaths I have to gravity is fairly sobering.
I have to think that panda bounciness would've saved me some of those
sand egret
HL the drop 😃
wild bolt
Still not as bad as my rogue buddy who is having to adjust into his post-Sub Artifact world
wild bolt
Yeah you should just be able to charge back
You can charge onto Mythrax too
Or HL the drop
sand egret
word
wild bolt
It's the maneuver that made me fall in love with the class at level 6 i n2007 😄
Couldn't even do it in combat back then... didn't matter.
It was just too badass.
sand egret
yeah, in Legion I was Guardian and I just couldn't bear to not pick Wild Charge haha
delicate prism
I miss having to change stances.
delicate prism
It was one of the things the really stood out about warriors.
Different moves in different stances.
delicate prism
WotLK warrior best warrior.
outer dew
would just cover retarded amounts of distance
cinder nova
leap shoulders + sanic boots
quiet sierra
How much do you guys value ilvl vs good Azerite traits
Ignoring deafening crash
Like a 355 with good tanking traits vs 370 with meh/utility/dps ones
prisma crane
almost always go for ilvl
stuck oxide
quiet sierra
Yea I have a pair of 370 deafening crash shoulders so I am set for that
quiet sierra
Yea I have the 370 chest from Vectis which I am gonna try and split for fury and prot
I also have a 370 7th legion helm which seems garbage for all specs
main pilot
,
sick matrix
arrgh what is it with ppl who run m+ 5 and clearly don't understand the mechanics of the fights
prisma crane
because at a +5 at this point you can often get away without knowing the mechanics
sand egret
mostly because at +5 requires a gearlevel that can be achieved via simply doing WQs and never touching the place
same can prob be said about any level, but the lower the worse it is!
untold thunder
Mistly cause people are idiots xd
sick matrix
I wouldn't mind if they would at least be upfront about it 😦 (I only pug) put a remark like "we don't intend to make it in time" or something
but barking up the wrong tree. It's just frustrating that "oh no, warrior tank" but in reality it's dps not knowing mechanics nor their class
sand egret
devils advocate for some would be they WERE upfront and the response causes them to not be willing to do so and just rather try and wing it
that being said, there are definitely mechanics that are welll trivial until you hit like X key when you start to really notice that shit
biggest offenders are key spells to interrupt.
sick sentinel
question
I'm interested in playing prot
but I am also curious
is ignore pain not just stagger on the gcd
stone crag
definitely not
sand egret
fundamentally no
with stagger, your HP still takes 100% of the damage. IP your HP takes 50% and the shield eats the other 50%
quiet perch
Unless you purify :P
grim prism
^ also that ^
outer dew
i always specify :^)
outer dew
grats
prisma crane
woo! congrats 😄
better not tell your RL, or they might not think prot is total garbage anymore
junior ivy
i think i changed 4 peoples opinions on warrior tanks that run
sand egret
✊
junior ivy
they didnt want a warrior tank
they invited me as dps
and we were waiting on a tank and a good dps applied so i offered to go tank
and they were likeehh i dunno...
but they let me
😄
sand egret
which dungeon?
junior ivy
motherlode
outer dew
i didn't like Motherlode last week
junior ivy
they were all pvpers and didnt care about m+ or .io
outer dew
those earthshapers don't fuck around
60-80k earth lances last week was not to be fucked around when pugging
sick sentinel
good reflect damage.
sand egret
DPS: "but I never had to kick those before!"
Literally every tank: 😑
sick sentinel
I always tell my group dont interrupt first, let me reflect.
outer dew
no they can
sand egret
I'm working up to that, hopefully my ilvl will get up there soon
outer dew
very easily
junior ivy
no theyre not allowed
outer dew
lol
junior ivy
i wont let them
junior ivy
😦
sand egret
alliance is super weird....i'm 3rd warrior on my server....and I haven't even done a +10
but one hell of an ego boost haha
thorn narwhal
365 button or 355 ghuun trinket boys
wise jackal
Guys, just give it to me straight. Prot Warrior... how is it right now in raids?
nova viper
From what I can gather bosses are fine it's m+ trash that just takes extra effort
junior ivy
im 2/8 mythic and 8/8 heroic and i have no issues in raids at all
but maybe itd be different if i was progressing on mythrax mythic or something..
neon tangle
I haven’t had any issues and am 2/8M too
junior ivy
i cant wait to apply to a pug and tell them IVE DONE A 10 IN TIME
amber siren
Lmao grats cat
zinc mauve
yeah people asking for 1k raider io scores for a +10 are psychos unless they want to like +3 the key
half of my runs are +11s or +12s that are in time but my raider io score is 957
junior ivy
how am i only the 27th best warrior tank on my realm
zinc mauve
theres a 300 point gap from me and #1 warrior on my realm
zinc mauve
proudmoore
sand egret
there's like 10 prot total ally side on my server
junior ivy
i was #1 prot warrior all throuhg legion on my old realm
bvefore i transferred to sargeras
you know what, im feeling so confident, im gonna sign up for +10 pugs on my druid
junior ivy
omg every shrine key alreadt has healers
odd storm
Scores are stupid
prisma crane
@junior ivy just caught up
that's a big reason you did well
pvpers actually interrupt
grim prism
LOL
odd storm
Clowns want 350-360 for M0s way too often
junior ivy
hahaha
grim prism
Not in dungons they dont
prisma crane
it doesnt matter what tank you have, if ppl dont interrupt, tanks die
grim prism
PvPers suuuuuuuuck in dungeons generally
prisma crane
every pvper i run with kicks all the time
junior ivy
oh also, the group refused to uyse discord like usual
prisma crane
their biggest problem is that they may kick the wrong things
junior ivy
and i put up a big fuss
until they got on
and me calling stuff out on discord saved our lives
multiuple times
grim prism
They kick, sure, but they triple up on the first cast and have nothing for the big nuke
prisma crane
im not talking about "Im A pVpEr" players
odd storm
lol yeah
outer dew
???
odd storm
Need to have coordination for ints
outer dew
if you're good at pvp
odd storm
Or all burn theirs at once
prisma crane
that's the other thing, they kick at the end
do runs with people who are actually good at arena and you'll be surprised
junior ivy
im just amazed we one shotted last boss on motherloide. that guys SO hard
grim prism
If youre good at pvp it has no intrinsic effect on your pve abilities 
prisma crane
3rd boss is worse imo
junior ivy
they heroed on 3rd boss even though i told them not to lol
outer dew
last boss is easy if you pay attention to rocket placements
junior ivy
3rd boss is like one of the easiest bosses !!
outer dew
3rd is brutal if you're meele heavy
junior ivy
im about to heal a +3 shrine nowww
outer dew
wtf
grim prism
I had a friend who was in a guild that required current 2k achieves for a ginvite
outer dew
how undergeared is your druid?
grim prism
They depleted +5s
odd storm
Shrine sucks if your DPS are dumb
outer dew
¯_(ツ)_/¯
prisma crane
um, except good pvpers generally have very high awareness and know everything about their classes utility abilities
junior ivy
my druids never healed above 3
odd storm
Healing it sucks
outer dew
i mean
odd storm
I've healed up to 6
outer dew
i threw my rshaman into a +10 at like 355
young harbor
healing anything sucks if the dps are dumb imo
outer dew
just pugged my key into a +10
odd storm
Shadow, my highest is 8
outer dew
¯_(ツ)_/¯
grim prism
healing anything sucks
odd storm
I'm geared for Shadow
young harbor
lol
outer dew
now i meme as elemental
outer dew
and cry because a friends 356 rogue out dpses me as an elemental 362 on ST
outer dew
the inn...
outer dew
Snail Inn has plenty of water
grim prism
@outer dew did you see the most recent ele pvp hotfix
Apparently ele shams under 120 now have negative regen
odd storm
S Priest, where moving demolishes your DPS
junior ivy
ok i bought water from an inn
outer dew
but yea
grim prism
There's NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN IT COMING after doing the exact same thing to hpals a month ago
outer dew
that was a funny meme
i'm glad I'm still memeing as ele for pvp
and didn't bother with enh
junior ivy
i am healing warrior tank in this shrine 3
prisma crane
you know, i forget the name of the comedian, but he put it well
paraphrased, you say someone tough has balls and a baby is a pussy
but one of those two things takes a pounding better than the other
grim prism
Kneejerk reaction: Sounds like George Carlin
grim prism
Carlos Mencia
severe zinc
I have a dungeon logged, how can I find out how much damage my spell reflect did?
prisma crane
Hal Sparks
@severe zinc not easily, just look at enemy dmg taken
and go by source
severe zinc
I think it's a bad thing that I have to dig through logs to find out about that, wish I could just see it in game
Has it always been this way?
grim prism
Yes
wooden radish
@vagrant cape 👍
junior ivy
this lil wariror tank is doin such a good job
prisma crane
you and me both
chilly brook
Meh I’m just 373 in bag and 370 equipped
junior ivy
we wiped on trash in this shrine 3 😦
prisma crane
i find it nearly impossible for you to have had a 13 ilvl discrepancy in bag to equipped ilvl when ilvl is king for us
obv DC can tank ilvl, you said you had a 340 shield
outer dew
because I can't use my 385 AZ pieces for tanking
prisma crane
but like idk, 13 ilvls is 208 actual item levels
prisma crane
so you don't main prot then i assume, that makes a bit more sense
prisma crane
still, i bet even with the dps talents selected your 385s would be better than anything you have under 370
apart from DC
outer dew
well, main piece holding back was 340 DC
370 head / chest
355 weapon / 340 shield for a bit
outer dew
yeap, for arms
prisma crane
and way different trinkets
outer dew
385 Taloc weapon
trinkets not too much
i still use fathoms
and i use mythrax at 370 vs 375 system regression or syringe
prisma crane
yea
winged gust
hey guys got a question about some prot trinkets, got vial of animated blood in 395, im playin currently darkmoon blockade + mythrax trinket nhc. Should i replace one? and if yes which one? thanks
outer dew
do you feel like you're dying?
winged gust
nope
outer dew
replace one which you think is less valuable for it
DPS > if you feel stable all the time
I enjoy mythrax + fathoms vs getting a blockades atm
because mythrax fills a gap in my mitigation
and i survive fine with just mythrax
so I want more dps
distant abyss
are swing timers essential to play prot warrior to a high level?
thorn narwhal
not imo
prisma crane
no
thorn narwhal
how big of a deal is shield ilevel for survivability im using a poopoo 330 shield
thorn narwhal
bummer
prisma crane
just run M+
thorn narwhal
im a fury main lol
prisma crane
well it's blocks and armor
outer dew
or whisper your prot paladin in raids to get you your shield
winged gust
tru. My logs are mostly 99% in terms of healing thats why @outer dew im not sure to even replace them... but i would love to use the 395 should be insane dps increase in cleave situations
thorn narwhal
yeah i gotta start setting prot loot spec on bosses with shields i guess
outer dew
what's the point of more survivability?
thorn narwhal
not needing as good of healers to carry me kappa
outer dew
are your healers going oom?
are you finding spots where you're dying or constant need spot healing?
prisma crane
unless you need a 2H weapon from a boss, i think everything else is the same loot table as dps on prot anyways
thorn narwhal
yeah i think so too
sometimes i dont want a one hander as much as i want a trinket tho so i like to shrink the loot table, stuff like that
outer dew
healing parses are cool and all
but faster kills + more damage to push
makes things a lot smoother
winged gust
sometimes but i guess thats situations like all warris of us know... underrot the little spider thingys debuff
prisma crane
the ticks?
winged gust
ye
outer dew
blow them up with your trinket
outer dew
big deeps deals with those ticks
lol
that's a situation where dps > survivaibility
if you can blow up them up ASAP, they can't stack up
winged gust
makes sense somehow
prisma crane
well
the reality is
mobs like those
a trinket alone wont allow you to face tank them regardless
so you might as well do as much dmg (and thus, threat) as you can while you're in there
thorn narwhal
what's better for prot a 355 ghuun trinket or a 365 red button
winged gust
ye guess you re right
outer dew
i meme about dps, but having a bit more sometimes pushes you over for a bit more mitigation
if something can't get another cast because you killed it before it could
then that's one less spell cast you dealt with in that pack
prisma crane
not to mention @winged gust but that trinket you got is specifically called out in the trinket guide
junior ivy
1 chested that shrine 3..
neon tangle
I really liked shrine on bolstering
winged gust
ye i saw that, but im still not sure like which one thats why i ask, AND i even got a 4. one to mention kinda hard in which combination is best. 395 vale animated blood, 355 blockades, 355 mythrax trinket, 355 Galecaller's Beak ^^
neon tangle
I loved the ultra droplet
winged gust
to much 😛
winged gust
no possibilitys to sim makes me sad 😛
outer dew
- more controled
neon tangle
@winged gust just gotta feelycraft it
dry lance
So I’m leveling my dear warrior, excited to see how m+ goes. On blood it’s just face roll anything below a 12 tanking wise. But I have a feeling prot properly played can compete
neon tangle
Tbh outside of magic damage I feel pretty strong
Like “wow you take zero damage” strong
outer dew
but i have retarded amounts of crit/haste from arms
neon tangle
Magic eats your fuckin face tho
outer dew
tbh, i run storm bolt because of magic damage for some dungeons
dry lance
Outside of spell reflect?
dry lance
What keys are you pushing?
prisma crane
up to a 10 or so prot will probably do better than a blood if played well and well geared
but above that teh other tanks pull ahead
chrome falcon
I think that's true up to 13
That has been my experience
I just do so much fucking d amage
prisma crane
and in fort weeks, it saves a TON of time
dry lance
I’m only about 1k rio, only care about gear, not score😊
prisma crane
a 1k score for prot will still get you declined from time to time lol
prisma crane
so be aware of that
dry lance
Also, I feel a buff incoming
prisma crane
a 700 blood will prob get invite over 1k prot
neon tangle
^^
outer dew
i've seen a 377 warlock at 400 raider.io
and did 11k dps overall on tyrannical week
¯_(ツ)_/¯
neon tangle
I mean I’ve been denied from +5s and shit just for being prot
outer dew
my ele shaman kept up with at 362
biggest meme
I mean, I don't bother pugging anything below 10
just run my own key
or I'd never get a spot as prot warrior or ele shaman
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dry lance
Well, as 377 bdk I never get declined. But I got more live for my warr, so declines here I come
outer dew
379 arms gets declined all the time bby
dry lance
More love
prisma crane
yea i mean as long as you're cool with it, do what you want mang, we're all here cuz we like our warriors, for better or worse
lately more for worse lol
neon tangle
I mean I’m still playing my warrior, I’d rather enjoy the class than get invites to pugs
It certainly has some carryover to raids tho, less easy to get pugs leads to less gear, which kinda compounds the issue
prisma crane
my issue is that i dont enjoy the class as much as i did before
i'm not swapping, but it's less fun than we used to be
outer dew
the class or spec?
neon tangle
Leaves prot as a whole less geared than DKs and other FOTM classes
prisma crane
prot got hit pretty hard with the BFA changes
prisma crane
i've mained prot since vanilla, so im going nowhere
im not really a big multiclasser anyways, dont have the time / motivation
outer dew
was tempted to level/gear a DK or Paladin once I get my shaman into maitennce mode
neon tangle
@outer dew yeah... it’s easier now that I’ve transferred servers
outer dew
of just PVP and 1 + 10
prisma crane
and i refuse to make a DK lol
neon tangle
My old server had 3 guilds total with >1/8M
outer dew
sounds about right
prisma crane
if i level another tank it'll be a DH
outer dew
DH seems cool
and weapons are shared for dps too
that's the thing that annoys me as prot paladin/ warrior
prisma crane
i only dps for pvp anyways, so that means less to me
outer dew
wdym
wouldn't it mean more?
you don't have to farm an extra weapon
it's jsut there
prisma crane
i dont pvp as "hard" as i pve
outer dew
like if you wanted to pvp arms but only played prot
prisma crane
im just saying i dont care if it takes me a while to get a 2H
outer dew
you'd have to go out of your way to get 2H