Don't listen to atticusw
#protection
vagrant cape
chrome harbor
Is ravager still there? Don’t think I’ve looked at my talents since the prepatch
ember arrow
simcraft has nothing to do with blizzard
astral crystal
crit, spec 
and never surrender
primal crypt
Noxxic has best stats
astral crystal
also pick up a 
vagrant cape
Anger management is more dps ove rthe course of a fight than ravager. Ravager does the damage of one revenge over the course of 7 seconds
sick sentinel
Use Ravager to remove Necrotic stacks....???????
stone crag
🤦
queen owl
i dunno with ravager. i mean i feel godmode with frequent avatar TC spam + demo dps boost
primal crypt
@queen owl dont use ravager
sick sentinel
😄
primal crypt
We jokin
astral crystal
primal crypt
Never ravager
stone crag
it's a running joke because it's absolutely trash
vagrant cape
For God's sake, people. Stop trolling. There may be lurkers who see this and think you're serious
sick sentinel
primal crypt
@vagrant cape 80% of warrior pop
queen owl
i've checked pins
sick sentinel
SAD WARRIOR POP
primal crypt
I actually saw a prot warrior using ravager in this freehold
sand egret
Storytime! So this weekend I found a BoE that I sold for 100k, (I swapped to Alliance for BfA and have 0 gold to my name). Here I am ready to buy me a Blockades since my trinkets were pretty trash. Yesterday, I decided to check my cache before hitting the AH....low and behold it's a fucking warforged Jes's with Avoidance to boot
chilly brook
Ima use ravager this week in m+ cuz like why not
sick sentinel
If only there were instructions to port warrs to be able to be DYNAMIC AND PROACTIVE with rotation/playstyle. There really is no way though.
primal crypt
I hearthed after he got one shot off the first triple pack
sick sentinel
Without purposeful trial and error.
hot locust
Realistically crit/haste are our top 2 stats for dps.
ember arrow
@queen owl we cant give you hard facts whats best, its all feelycraft atm, although we can come up with good estimates
hollow bolt
ember arrow
@sand egret gz on the skillforge
chilly brook
By nature yea
sick sentinel
you mean, taking ravager and not AM fucks our CDs?
stone crag
that's one issue, yes
sick sentinel
yeah.
ember arrow
low dmg
chilly brook
But then again AM is fairly inconsistent
primal crypt
@queen owl also, dont forget to actually use TC when you pop avatar
ember arrow
no talent once it runs out
stone crag
that it competes with AM
ember arrow
are only 2 things
sand egret
@ember arrow thanks man! get to be part of the Jes' club!
stone crag
but even if it didn't, in it's current tuning it's still garbage
sick sentinel
vagrant cape
@queen owl basically our number one build for dps and survival is the one the icyveins guide lays out.
1123211 talents and at least one Deafening crash trait (regardless of ilvl) with a stat priority of ilvl > Haste > vers=mast > Crit
primal crypt
Thats one of the most common mistakes...not using TC
queen owl
oh i got TC pretty much top #1 ability prio when either demo or avatar is up
ember arrow
byron = Thyme 2???\
chilly brook
AM will always reduce your CD’s but like in Lala’s post on reddit it might only be 30 seconds reduction
stone crag
🤔
sand egret
to be honest....power aside NOT using AM feels awful
sick sentinel
THUNDER CLAP HITS HARDER THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE BY THE END OF THE DAY
sick sentinel
caps for emphasis
chilly brook
TBF AM should just be baseline
sand egret
👢 🍵 👏
queen owl
feels bad using a 345 deafening crash but the base duration affect just makes it work
chilly brook
And it shouldn’t be nerfed to become baseline
sick sentinel
same @queen owl
primal crypt
OH
sick sentinel
345 keeping my ilvl average down.
chilly brook
Since it’s highly variable anyways
stone crag
no one can replace thyme @ember arrow
sick sentinel
but, thats my DC forever.
sand egret
i'd be ok if it was nerfed and became baseline tbh, as long as our rage is normalized moreso
ember arrow
i can
primal crypt
Max dps = stack DC
stone crag
good fucking luck
primal crypt
Max dps right there
chilly brook
@sand egret it’s too variable as is to warrant a nerf
ember arrow
just answer questions lol
sand egret
it isn't a nerf if its made baseline
chilly brook
It is though
sick sentinel
constant 30k+ tclaps
sand egret
as that implicitly means you get an ADDITIONAL talent
primal crypt
Make that aclap
chilly brook
But the problem with AM isn’t its effectiveness
sick sentinel
angry warrior clapping all the time.
stone crag
👏
sick sentinel
lightning thunder everywhere
signal plover
closes door on prot discord for a bit
sand egret
there isn't a problem with AM per se, imho
chilly brook
It’s just simply that it should be something that the class has baseline with how it’s designed
sick sentinel
rooting everyone
amber siren
hyperwarrior hyperclap
chilly brook
Which is why you always take it
sick sentinel
frustrating skating monks/DHs trying to chi torpedo/dash away
sand egret
yeah, that isn't an AM problem.
primal crypt
@signal plover come back
chilly brook
I know
primal crypt
Dont leave yet
chilly brook
Which is why I’m saying it being nerfed if it’s made baseline makes no sense
signal plover
is gone
primal crypt
They should make shield slam trigger tclap
sand egret
oh so what if: we get a talent that reduces our cds by half in the 100 tier and we get AM at half effectiveness
still a nerf?
primal crypt
That would be nice
chilly brook
Why would they give us another talent in the 100 tier that’s mandatory
vagrant cape
@chilly brook if it became baseline we'd get another talent on top of it, so it'd have to be nerfed to maintain the status quo
sand egret
it's to illustrate my point
primal crypt
Was that bastion passive legit btw?
chilly brook
But that’s a non point
chilly brook
No I’m not I get it we’d get it on top of another talent but let’s actually be realistic and look at the other talents
HR
Cool a slight defensive boost
astral crystal
make HR baseline
sand egret
you don't htink those won't also get touched?
chilly brook
Wouldn’t put us over the line
vagrant cape
How so? If the goal is to give us more talent variety and not to buff the class, then they'd have to nerf AM if it's baseline or else we'd straight up be getting a talent for free
chilly brook
Ravager? Definitely wouldn’t throw us over the line
astral crystal
ravager should just not be part of the talent choices at all
vagrant cape
The goal with talent changes isn't to give us more power, it's to give us flexibility and options
chilly brook
@vagrant cape but how would we be in comparison to the other tanks? Almost unchanged
sand egret
AM is absurdly strong, that even if they nerfed its CDR rate by 25% but gave us more consistent rage gen and less disparity between multi-target and st, then it'd be an overall buff
vagrant cape
I don't think buffing a class and trying to grant more flexibility at the same time is a good plan.
chilly brook
Maybe but that’s hinging on a whole lot of changes I don’t think they’d give us
sand egret
I don't think they'll make it baseline tho, tbh
they'll probably buff our overall cd's, nerf AM (so net neutral but better if you DONT pick AM) and they'll change the other talents
chilly brook
A class this requires more effort on the low end and gives no distinct edge for that effort getting a slight buff would be bad?
chrome falcon
chilly brook
^
sand egret
should be built into Rage
chilly brook
Would be nice
sand egret
period.
sick sentinel
TRUEE
vagrant cape
Poor bears
sand egret
haha meme's aside it'd actually be pretty solid for them
chilly brook
Must be exhausting being the go to tank the whole xpac minus when warrior was broken
sand egret
eh, I don't care to try and balance around "well you were broken last expac so you have to suck now"
lol as much as it is funny to think of it that way
amber siren
Bears dropped off into pretty normal levels after mark of ursol or w/e the spell reduction was was removed
chilly brook
I don’t really either I’m just memeing @sand egret
sand egret
yeah i know
amber siren
Monks were top tier for argus
sand egret
but some people legit think it works that way
sand egret
when stagger isn't a thing
chilly brook
Here’s my question
ember arrow
then theyre useless
chilly brook
Aren’t we supposed to be warriors?
amber siren
no
chilly brook
So why are they chugging beer? And why aren’t we chugging mead?
chrome harbor
didnt most of the brewmaster abilities have beer names in the mop beta until somoene complained and they changed it to 'brew'
vagrant cape
Ok, so. My guild has another warrior tank in the mythic raid squad. Their equipped ilvl is 4 lower than mine. Their opener is fucking weird. They use devastate and shield slam and a few other globals before they use avatar or demo shout. I fucked up and accidentally had a mastery reorigination array while he had haste (so he had about 500 more haste than me) and I was regularly able to get more abilities off than him (one I remember was my 366 casts to his 336) He only used spell reflect once on a 4.5 minute mythic vectis fight.
Should I ask for a promotion?
carmine dust
Well it deffo doesn't look good on him. :V
chilly brook
So if vrykul ever become a playable race I expect their racial ability to be “Drunken Rage: imbibes a bunch of mead increasing attack/spell power by x”
vagrant cape
And we tanked heroic last night. He uses devastate more than TC on every fight
Is that ever acceptable?
chilly brook
No
chrome harbor
in 2007
chilly brook
And yes you should
hot locust
It is on mythic Zul :^)
vagrant cape
We have yet to clear vectis
chilly brook
And the worst part? He’s literally my least favorite boss to tank
vagrant cape
Hey m8, it's the official name
chilly brook
I know
tranquil kraken
lol
vagrant cape
Just like how ranged dps are now marksmen. Roll with it
chilly brook
I’m just making a statement that I feel like we got the pre reaper of souls team
sick sentinel
Cringe wasting GCDs devastating in 2018
vagrant cape
Yeah, I should have a talk with him
vagrant cape
He's been playing wow and was in the guild for far longer than me so I felt like he was really good until I looked at his logs...
chilly brook
The D2 team is split between stuff like PoE and Torchlight iirc
vagrant cape
So I'm not sure how to go about this.
How do I politely bring up a senior raid member's mediocre performance?
chilly brook
Just talk to an officer and be like “yo this dude is playing like crap, I play better take a look at the logs and feel free to ask around on the warrior discord if you wanna fact check me”
I mean like more tactfully
But basically like that
chrome harbor
pretty sure the original d3 team were interns
carmine dust
Publicly post the logs on your realm forums and include a dox, and links to lewd photoshops of his mum.
sick sentinel
Approach your tank/raid officer professionally, present logs, cites Skyhold sources
storm isle
what do you guys think of Blightborne Infusion azerite trait?
sick sentinel
Praise publicly, shame privately.
vagrant cape
Thanks for the serious answers, m8s
sick sentinel
Is how should go about it imo.
vagrant cape
(that's not sarcastic. The answers that were serious, I am grateful for)
sick sentinel
Same
chilly brook
“Hey I just wanted to talk to you guys about x players performance. I was looking through logs last night and thought he’d be a good litmus test but that’s actually what I wanted to talk to you about. He seems to be doing x y and z wrong and according to skyhold and the top logs he should actually be doing j k and L instead.”
Here’s a more tactful version
sick sentinel
vagrant cape
@storm isle its not worth using over prot traits unless the prot trait is a 2nd deafening crash and you only care about survivability
steady dock
@vagrant cape don't know what your relationship with that guy is, but when I suck and I don't get i suck, i'd rather be told so that I can fix my piss poor performance.
chrome harbor
Is he the kinda guy that can’t take criticism?
chilly brook
Then at some point in that you can be like “However I also noticed that I was doing x y and z and outperformed him by a considerable margin in these areas. Would it be possible to let me have a shot at being a core tank?”
vagrant cape
I don't know I've only known him since the start of bfa and really he only comes on a few times a week
I'll try that, Griff, ty.
That's very good
chilly brook
It’s not a guarantee
Just probably how I’d go about it
If they’re actually a progression minded guild it shouldn’t be an issue
vagrant cape
I'm worried the guild I'm in is too cliquey to actually give me a shot at main tanking despite my better performance
The officers seem pretty tight-knit
chilly brook
I love tanking but if someone can actually show to me that they’d be a better fit over me for tanking then I’d step down and let him do it
vagrant cape
But it's worth a shot
chilly brook
The problem is no one seems to want to tank lol
Well I say “problem” but I suppose that’s good for me 🙃
stray tiger
they ve read/watch method or something like that videos, that prot wars are not ok at all
chilly brook
Then again apparently I’m “a really good tank” according to my gm
signal plover
U tell those fuckbois "ayyy sup I'm a skyhold main I'ma fuck these bosses gud for ya, Marok taught me with his manly Marok arms and u ain't gonna find better"
chilly brook
Lol
signal plover
Make sure u name drop Marok like 3 more times
chilly brook
And Sense
signal plover
Preferably in Puns
signal plover
Like Marokhard abs
signal plover
The last sentence should be "make the decision that makes the most Sense"
chilly brook
Lul
stray tiger
thank ya Odin, your name made me a part of a static
stone crag
🤔
chilly brook
That moment when you go into Mythic and you’re no longer parsing 90s 😢
hot locust
I loved progress this tier
chilly brook
Then again getting the kill>parse tbh
sick sentinel
hahaha
hot locust
where I either got a 100 on the fight because I was first
Or I got a 50 because Sense beat me
signal plover
Tbf there's only like 100 of us past zek
chilly brook
Lol
hot locust
😡
signal plover
Lala u stream bb?
chilly brook
Hopefully I’ll be past Zek after Thursday
astral crystal
last i checked only 8 or so warriors had killed fetid
chilly brook
Then onto Vec
hot locust
I do
chilly brook
Then Fetid
signal plover
I like to watch senses stream when I go to bed cuz he's so smooth
hot locust
Got G'huun to last phase last night
chilly brook
Ayyyyy
signal plover
So maybe I can work u into my morning poop routine
sick sentinel
I'd be in there for sure if I had the time to make raid schedule during progression.
hot locust
hoping we kill it thursday
sick sentinel
too late now anyway in middle of it.
signal plover
Do it for the warrior memes
sick sentinel
to tank
chilly brook
I was literally retarded on mother
Accidentally charge out of safe zone
For no reason
Like a boss
Survive beams with 2 health
👏🏻
grim prism
Apparently enh shams below 120 now have negative mana regen in pvp after the most recent wave of hotfixes 😂
Remember boys, it could always be worse
next goblet
owen wilson voice wow
mellow bridge
Isnt legion team preparing the next xpac already
chilly brook
Inb4 legion team was reassigned to classic 🙃
vagrant cape
The game is just too big to manage now. They should have just made a sequel to worl- "WOW CLASSIC COMING SOON!"
Good God...
chilly brook
Yea this is the WoD team if that’s true
mellow bridge
yup
chilly brook
Which 🤢
You’d think they’d communicate between teams and figure out what they should do
Again if that’s a true statement
chilly brook
Idk if I’ll even play it
sand egret
live =/= dev team fyi
sand egret
Bfa was handed off to live a while ago
sick sentinel
vanilla is a different beast of time sinking unless you know all the min/max tricks.
mellow bridge
Idk about classic
chilly brook
Regardlesss
mellow bridge
First time I started WoW was in TBC and looking back at it
sick sentinel
itll be frustrating. both lvling, and pre-bising at 60.
chilly brook
You’d think they would actually not be stupid and have internal conversations
mellow bridge
it was a nice game but I dont think I'd enjoy the gameplay nowadays
thin mortar
even if you know the tricks its a huge time sink
sick sentinel
right.
sand egret
classic is for people who've never played it
sick sentinel
also, heroic strike LOL
mellow bridge
Just too much annoying stuff
sick sentinel
but I'll likely just hunter for it cus its skate easy, dominant in pvp, and one of the best for vanilla gold making.
chilly brook
Or people who really really want vanilla @sand egret
sand egret
although, classic DID get something right
you properly had to do a montage in order to use a new weapon via leveling it
just was missing the 80s jams
sick sentinel
cus playing/lvling/maining a warrior broke as fuck isn't fun.
mellow bridge
That just sounds terrible
thin mortar
tbh, I still enjoy classic on private servers here and there, but I think 90+% of the players who try it will make it to lvl 10-20 and quit
chilly brook
It kinda was
sand egret
aka a level 1 mob
uneven mason
No sir, you had to find a mob near your level to skill up
sick sentinel
stack int, and just go AFK lvl your weapon skills on the immortal mobs in Blasted Lands.
sand egret
but yeah
sick sentinel
it wasn't hard.
sand egret
i called em posts
oblique wolf
I would get aggro on a boss in raids, then just take off my weapon until threat got low again
uneven mason
couldn't skill up vs low level mobs
oblique wolf
to level unarmed
sick sentinel
they won't kill you.
sand egret
you could if your level was 0
uneven mason
No
sand egret
not the whole way
uneven mason
not how it worked heh
sand egret
but yeah, it was relative to your weapons level
uneven mason
the mob had to give XP
uneven mason
was relative to your level
oblique wolf
now leveling thrown weapons... that was awful
sick sentinel
yeah F that
uneven mason
which is why the level 54 immortal mobs in blasted lands were high quality
sand egret
well regardless, you were still sitting there swinging at stupid mobs
chilly brook
Unless they changed the weapon leveling system from vanilla to TBC I don’t remember having to have the mobs give XP
sand egret
so my montage point stands true
sand egret
but I do think you're right as I totally remember the immortal BL mobs
thin mortar
that was eeeeasy. just pull with your gun when possible
sick sentinel
the private servers never got it right.
but I do remember retail vanilla once you got them down to 1%, they became immortal, and didn't attack back anymore.
so you could keep swinging on them.
uneven mason
yeah if it was possible off of low level mobs, level 60s would level offa like, the level 10 elites in redridge
sick sentinel
and still get skill credit
dark junco
Is the new trait on avatar cast only? Once each second? Renew on duration? Make IP not affected by gcd?
sick sentinel
what
A free IP on cast
whoopy doo
Dude imagine avatar giving you like 400-500 mastery
Imagine being a true thunder god?
So much AP and crit blocks
so MORE stacking into our CDs.
while nothing w/o
not that I mind
just makes no sense to me how bad these devs are.
chilly brook
Meh I like having CDs that do something
sick sentinel
We have avatar every other pull
dark junco
Would’ve prefered “During Avatar, each time you cast Thunderclap, you also get a free ignore pain”
chilly brook
Lul
chilly brook
That wouldn’t be broke
dark junco
Now, that eoul’ve been great
sick sentinel
just, I dont understand the dumb devs.
Listen
Right now Ava is not a defensive CD
chilly brook
Look dude
chilly brook
The devs have to protect us from ourselves
sick sentinel
muh claps
chilly brook
We don’t know what we want
sick sentinel
muh IPs
dark junco
Avatar is kinda defensive tho
chilly brook
Remember, “you think you do but you don’t”
dark junco
With DC + tclap for DS uptime
chilly brook
The rage generation definitely increases our survivability so I’d say yes
sick sentinel
It becomes from Kind of defensive CD to a proper defensive CD
dark junco
free IP is not defensive
sick sentinel
Like with 1k I get 30% crit block, with another 500 it will rise up even more
Also fatter IPa
sick sentinel
It gives bigger IPs
dark junco
How much bigger?
sick sentinel
more mastery, more AP, more IP cap
dark junco
Yeah I know, but are we talking 2k more or 20k?
sick sentinel
Like 10k maybe
sick sentinel
Mastery gives percentage AP
hot locust
I'm well aware
sick sentinel
By the time you get it
hot locust
It's not giving practically 40% AP though
sick sentinel
You will have a lot more str
chilly brook
It’s like 40 mastery isn’t it?
dark junco
Wait talking about traits
hot locust
It won't be.
chilly brook
@hot locust how much mastery does it give?
hot locust
Can't really say for sure yet.
sick sentinel
Is this stuff posted somewhere?
Or is it just ptr stuff?
Warrior
Bastion of Might (Prot): Avatar increases your Mastery by 40 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain.
hot locust
I'd guess probably about 400 at 385 though.
chilly brook
Ptr stuff
chilly brook
I mean like it doesn’t look all that great tbh
sick sentinel
mmo-champion doesn't have it all up yet
Ahhh see I went to mmo champ and I was like what the hell are they talking about
signal plover
Prolly not worth diving too deep into until things are more fleshed out.
dark junco
even at 400 mastery, thats meh. I’d rather stack more bfi or archive tbh
stone crag
they aren't on competing rows
dark junco
I wanted the datamine to see the prot rework, seem like its a no go
sand egret
it is a nice QoL, fwiw
sick sentinel
Please
chilly brook
Anyone else notice we’re going into the second raid with essentially a 145 ilvl increase from what you were when you first hit 120? Didn’t they want to avoid this whole power creep?
dark junco
They think they do, but they don’t
mortal pike
I think they said they know it will happen
sand egret
power creep is almost inevitable
mortal pike
but its the best they can do
sick sentinel
prot power creep too good
mortal pike
Yea I don't care at all tbh
sick sentinel
same
sand egret
it also is a matter of the rate of stat increase per ilvl
chilly brook
Well let’s not act like TF is a good system lol
sick sentinel
Remove normal and make LFR=normal
chilly brook
Just remove lfr
dark junco
But bro, at least our weapons can’t titanforge, so that slows the powercreep
sick sentinel
With 3 raid tiers thats 45 ilvl power creep
chilly brook
You right
sand egret
weapons tf'ing is actually the worst idea
chilly brook
If you’re gonna have TF let’s not pick and choose what can and can’t
sand egret
the amount of crying would drown everything
sick sentinel
with a socket.
sand egret
lol TF weapons would be like....oh shit
sick sentinel
my shield basically there.
dark junco
Yeah but i’m still mad at shield not tf nemore
Like ffs it got armor on it, its under armor everywhere
sand egret
kinda falls in the same weapon category
chilly brook
I need to kill heroic g’huun for a chance of that shield
dark junco
BUT NOPE ITS A WEAPON CANT TF
sand egret
100% is
dark junco
Dude
thin mortar
just get a 370 disc from AD yo
sand egret
we hit people with it
dark junco
Look AH
chilly brook
We also hit people with our shoulder with charge
sand egret
that is now legally a weapon
chilly brook
Does that make it a weapon?
dark junco
Where are shield? Legit has ARMOR on it. Are ya trying to tell me its not an ARMOR?
sand egret
considering the average warrior in the WoW universe, i'd consider our whole bodies as a weapon
chilly brook
Yes he is
dark junco
Is shield slam calculated from shield or something else?
sand egret
just like a trained officers/martial artists hands are
sick sentinel
AP and block value of shield I think.
chilly brook
It’s not @dark junco iirc
sick sentinel
vs just AP like it was Legion
dark junco
You think or you know?
neon tangle
Tbh the last thing we need is another mechanic to limit the best shields to an even tinier sliver of the player base
sick sentinel
might be wrong. might be still just AP
sand egret
shield TFing would mean our Block value's would also be able to go up which dramatically increases our performance,( hence why people need that new shield). It's a matter of how influential a single pieces is in respect to its ilvl
chilly brook
sick sentinel
We use out feet to thunderclap
chilly brook
It’s literally just AP
dark junco
@hot locust Oh mighty one, does our shield has any weight or whatsoever in any formula for damage?
sick sentinel
Feet are now legally a weapon
chilly brook
@sick sentinel yea I guess we should just not allow boots to TF
sand egret
let's rephrase this
sick sentinel
hot locust
But yeah it's just an AP ratio
sick sentinel
yeah nm not allowed nice things
dark junco
So yeah, shield should TF then
sand egret
Oh Lala, how much does the Warriors shield affect our overall mitigation
sick sentinel
a lot.
sand egret
OH
dark junco
A shitton
sick sentinel
I would like to see shield slam damage scale with block
sand egret
like a 2hander would an arms warrior?
sick sentinel
its your BIS slot of ALLL gear.
chilly brook
I guess we shouldn’t allow trinkets to TF since they have a large bearing on damage
neon tangle
^^
hot locust
I'd say it's strong enough to warrant the no-titanforge clause like weapons.
sand egret
getting a 15 ilvl weapon upgrade >>>>>>> a trinket
dark junco
What about druid and monk?
sand egret
getting a 15 shield is also >>>>
nocturne herald
Would that be op if AM would reduce the cd of shield block too?
sand egret
what about them? they're also affected by weapons
sick sentinel
titanforge shield would be just way too powerful. especially for prot warr, and prot pally
dark junco
Not as much
sand egret
a druids threat is super contingent on that
dark junco
Threat
sick sentinel
@nocturne herald yes, we would have 100% block
dark junco
Not mitigation
dark junco
Different impact
chilly brook
Our threat isn’t contingent on a shield upgrade?
sick sentinel
100% block all time too op.
chilly brook
Hello?
dark junco
Removing TF from shield gimp our mitigation
neon tangle
We would be very broken with 100% shield block uptime
dark junco
Removing TF from weapon doesnt gimp monk or druid mitigatikn
sick sentinel
speaking with a 380 WF socket shield come on
neon tangle
They almost certainly will have to nerf SB or crit block before they can increase the uptime
chilly brook
No @neon tangle according to Sco it’s what we need 100% uptime
sand egret
dude ya gotta listen. The reason TF'ing isn't on weapons/shields is that those slots impact the class's performance FAR more than any other single item. The variance that comes with TF means that there is too much of a swing based on RNG. This was simply NOT a problem in Legion sine we had Artifacts. However, the case could still be made based on Relic TFing
thin mortar
I will admit initially I was disgusted to see not 100% uptime, but I've come to appreciate the challenge it sets for maintaining mitigation.
chilly brook
I’d be worried if you didn’t feel the difference
Simple solution is just to remove TF/WF period
It’s a bad system
sick sentinel
100% block uptime... with block value that can only scale up and up....
be too OP.
Sco is high.
neon tangle
@thin mortar I think it’s fundamentally going to keep warriors and paladins behind the curve
sick sentinel
this from a guy whose only looking for the easiest/FOTM class tank to play to push min/max time/ability of content anyway.
sick sentinel
for his guild.
chilly brook
And TBH prot pally isn’t built around the shield
sick sentinel
100% block uptime be far too op and overshadow even Stagger. crit block or not.
thin mortar
it could keep us back, but I don't mind not being the #1 tank... I just want to be a mid lvl VIABLE tank so pugs are easier. lol i'll finish keys one way or another. also Pally isn't doing bad at all I don't think
light oasis
I’m relatively new to prot and tanking, but doesn’t dh also not have 100% uptime on spikes?
neon tangle
Pally suffers far less from SOTR downtime
chilly brook
Nope
sick sentinel
definately doesn't.
chilly brook
And they get smacked hard
mortal pike
We are a mid lvl viable tank
chilly brook
Very hard
sick sentinel
DH balanced around its self-healing mechanics, soul fragments, and metamorph timing windows.
chilly brook
Trust me do yourself a favor and don’t get a DH to 120
sick sentinel
and vast utility lol
sick sentinel
right.
sick sentinel
it's going to take more hits, and pretty big its at that. but long as its still doing damage and collecting soul frags, it'll heal up from it. + its ability surrounding the collection/use of soul frags.
light oasis
Right so wouldn’t the answer here be to give some stabilizing mechanism for between blocks. I guess IP is supposed to be that
thin mortar
DH/DK are far to easy to play, not very enjoyable to me
sick sentinel
IP is 'supposed' to be, yeah.
chilly brook
They’ll never nerf DK
sick sentinel
its got underwhelming scaling though. especially at lower ilvl.
junior ivy
what happens once we are exalted with bfa factions, why would we do emissaries?
chilly brook
If we’re being honest DH healing isn’t anything to write home about
sick sentinel
item rewards for disenchanting/scrapping.
chilly brook
Without a ton of mobs
neon tangle
I think IP would actually work a bit better if it had a lower % reduction
sick sentinel
emissaries at minimum always give 400AP ontop of whatever reward they offer.
neon tangle
I’d rather take 3 smaller hits than 1 mid, 2 full
sick sentinel
nah, not yet.
chilly brook
IP would work great if it had a larger volume
junior ivy
oh okay
neon tangle
@chilly brook is like larger volume and smaller %
sick sentinel
idt anything seen about it yet on PTR
neon tangle
I would like **
dusk minnow
what is the addon that sense uses that shows the abilities he used? (if you watch him, bottom left corner
dusk minnow
merry cave
It's details streamer mode prob
sick sentinel
its details
thin mortar
remind me, was that the every block adds to IP set bonus?
dusk minnow
tahnks
sick sentinel
details > Skada
thin mortar
that would be pretty solid I think. I like the idea
chilly brook
And it actually makes more interaction inside the spec
thin mortar
how would that help for fights like zul I wonder though
junior ivy
why is mother mythic way easier than taloc mythic?
chilly brook
The IPs you could get during Last Stand pog
It’d help some since Zul still melees
Wut
Taloc Mythic is a joke
junior ivy
taloc mythic is scary and stressful and mother mythic is fun and easy
junior ivy
took us only like 4 pulls to get mother mythic
bright haven
Hello everyone! I have a question. Today I got a new trinket from the mythic chest, Merektha's Fang. It's not very good as I can see, but it's 30 ilvl higher than my previous trinket, and so if I replace my old trinket I lose a 2min CD which gives me 23k health. I'm at a loss as to what I shall use. The higher ilvl trinket gives me 298 str, the old trinket gives 225 str. However when I equip the higher ilvl trinket, I can't see that I gain more health. Should I not gain more health because of Vanguard which gives stamina and armor from strength?
junior ivy
we took way longer to get taloc first time
chilly brook
Solo tank that
chilly brook
The problem with fang is it cancels when hit iirc
bright haven
Yeah, but can the passive strength be worth it?
chilly brook
You technically could as long as you time stuns right @primal crypt
Hard to know
But I’d say probably not
It’s better to keep something that can actually do something
At least imo
chilly brook
The difference between the two shouldn’t be super large anyways from strength alone
bright haven
I have a blockades 😄 I'm trying to figure out if I shall use fang for the passive strength or a trinket which has less strength but a use that gives 23k health.
chilly brook
@junior ivy as long as people can avoid beams on elevator and stack when you tell them to Taloc is ez
Plus SR is super nice
junior ivy
you guys always saay taloc is easy but its one of the most stressful fights ive tanked
almost as bad as eonar mythic
primal crypt
People dying to the beams makes me laugh really hard
@junior ivy if you dont stress then you wont be stressed
primal crypt
Just shield block and chill
sand egret
Keep Calm and Block On
thin mortar
could be on a shirt... with like shield block icon behind it 🤔
sick sentinel
Just don't stress 4Head
junior ivy
i only stress when there are really good raiders in the group
who could be judging my tanking
sand egret
the better the raider, the more they're judging themselves than they are you.
chilly brook
Meh
junior ivy
not when its "easy content" for them and theyre just helpiung us baddies out
uneven mason
🖱
sand egret
I still stand by my point tho. Best raiders I've known don't try to focus on others, even in farm stuff there is still stuff to work on imho
signal plover
Unless ur raid leading :/
uneven mason
The Story of 🙀 & 🖱
chilly brook
Meh I mainly focus on myself
I only call people out for doing stupid things
But not for their performance
ionic ridge
Don't you guys find it funny that shield block icon show projectiles being blocked ?
ionic ridge
No... not the rocks... don't talk about the rocks 😢
dusk locust
rocks confirmed far scarier than axes
sick sentinel
rocks and shoot
want to say once upon a time we were able to block projectiles.
🤔 Blizzard
thin mortar
there needs to be a rock/shoot emote
modern brook
why block projectiles with puny sheild when your chest works just as well?
supple glacier
Is better double ToM or put 1 LM and sacrifice double ToM?? I have only this choice in high item lev slot
sand egret
you'd need two shields to block the almighty rocks
supple glacier
Ops
modern brook
How many ilvls do you drop to save money on reforges?
chilly brook
Just use a different set
ember arrow
Traits are all useless
carmine ibex
Have any of you farmed up the pvp shoulders since they have deafening crash on them?
chilly brook
Even if it isn’t optimal
modern brook
I just got 370 dc from my chest cause i dont suck at this game
prisma crane
the game of RNG
ionic ridge
I got a 380 crit proc trinket
prisma crane
that's a good one to not suck at
ember arrow
Skill
hot locust
prog on g'huun with a 340 chest FeelsGoodMan
carmine ibex
I still have 340 dc
prisma crane
@hot locust 💪
hot locust
fuck me dude
carmine ibex
I want to farm up the pvp shoulders since I guess 355 comes from conq?
trail dagger
Likewise.. ghuun Heroics with 2x340 helm and chest
prisma crane
he's on ghuun mythic with the 340 lol
sick sentinel
345 DC shoulder forever.
carmine ibex
but I don't pvp much and I don't understand what's involved. I guess I gotta cap conq 3 times to get 355
sick sentinel
cus no time to pvp and just get the dreadful glad shoulders
think I'm 3-4 weeks behind on the conq reward for the DC shoulders.
chilly brook
@hot locust I feel you my only 340 piece is my DC helmet
And now that we’re actually in m prog the fact that I’m stuck with a 340 feels like booty
hot locust
gonna rock that 340 piece all the way to end of next tier too 😂
velvet trail
hate that DC is so much better than the rest...
prisma crane
you should rephrase that
chilly brook
I don’t mind it
prisma crane
hate that the rest are so much worse than DC
chilly brook
It’s more that I hate that all the other traits are bad
dusk locust
i like that DC affects the way you play to an extent
chilly brook
Not the one good one for actually being like what traits should be like
carmine ibex
I juat want to understand how long it will take to farm the pvp DC shoulders,so I can decide if I want to do it or not. my 340 dc helm is my last 340 piece.
velvet trail
yeah u could put it that way as well 😃
carmine ibex
I mean, arms pvp is pretty fun but ehh
prisma crane
bigger issue is that stuff like DC and other classes' artifact traits and stuff should just be baseline, not gear locked, it's stupid
chilly brook
Well the way you phrase things is really important especially with this dev team @velvet trail
prisma crane
the seemingly incessant pruning is getting old
chilly brook
You never know who’s watching
velvet trail
got a 370 helmet from the weekly m+ chest... but still using my 340 helmet with DC on...
naaah better learn that.... we don't need any nerfs on us
chilly brook
Bonus rolled taloc 3 weeks in a row, still no mace for my off spec
velvet trail
yep... RNG is a bitch...
velvet trail
meeeh hpoing for more luck in a few hours...
earnest zinc
I can explain the issues in a way the devs can understand.
Shield Block no work on ranged attack. That bad.
We no can keep mitigation up all the time. Other tanks can. That bad.
Ignore Pain no stay when hit hard. That bad.
We no good with no high ilvl shield. That bad.
sick sentinel
@carmine ibex the pvp conq shoulders are week 5 or 6 reward.
So get 2500-3k conq points.
If you're starting from 0
thin mortar
week 5-6 = this week?
dark junco
@earnest zinc Garun for Prot Warrior Class representative 2018
sick sentinel
They were last week I believe
oblique garnet
is syringe good?
dark junco
=p
oblique garnet
on prot
vagrant cape
Does every other tank mitigate ranged attacks with their active mitigation? I think they can. Sotr raises armor, iron fur raises armor, demon spikes grants armor, marrow rend grants armor, and LuL ISB
sick sentinel
I would agree to have @earnest zinc represent us
Paladins cant block projectiles either.
But they raise their armor, right?
vagrant cape
Yes
Sotr grants increased armor and they can block
But not block ranged attacks
Even if we can't block ranged attacks normally, I'd love if we could block them during SB
ionic ridge
Think david and goliath
vagrant cape
Or, God forbid, throw wrench
vagrant cape
Or, God forbid, throw wrench
sick sentinel
Somebody pulls before me first pack of motherlode
And gets wrenched to death
Natural Selection
carmine ibex
@sick sentinel cool, thanks. will they be 355?
sick sentinel
Yes, minimum.
past ledge
hey guys, just to be clear [Darkmoon Deck: Blockades] is a must ?
sick sentinel
Upgradeable based on your RBG/Arena rating, with the appropriate item reward from box
dark junco
no but its a good trinket.
carmine ibex
okay cool. thanks. guess I'll start grinding
sick sentinel
It's good if you're going from scratch and have nothing else @past ledge
Especially for survivability
delicate breach
sick sentinel
I have that trink this week. 385 with leech.
I use it for tanking boss raids, or Arms dps.
Not as useful in mythic+ if you have jes howlers, but still decent.
Gives roughly 12.5% parry on use, decreasing by 3%/3s, 3% on last 3s.
Well, at 385 tf anyway. Ilvl dependant
ionic swallow
what is best combination?
sick sentinel
veiled eye + blockades
delicate breach
I have blockades, doos fury 370 and emblem of zandalar 350
delicate breach
Ty. Nothing changed.
sand egret
oh man if I had an emblem at 350...
sick sentinel
unless you wanna go more DPS then feel free doom/zandalar
sand egret
that shit procs all the damn time
sand egret
i have one at 335 and i'm still eyeing it occasionally haha
sick sentinel
emblem way better than rezan's unless huge TF rezan's and even then
vagrant cape
@ionic swallow I'd drop the eye
sand egret
i'd love to get that butcher's block tho. fucking love seeing them crits
and crit block ain't so bad either 😄
daring cedar
Guys! I am confused too. Is it worth swapping out one of these (Xalzaix probably) for Vial? Not gonna lie, the itemlevel is tempting - especially if it was to replace Jes
cinder nova
New Avatar trait looks hesitantly promising
solid mist
even if mastery changes, we'll still get the atk power boost from it. so Avater proc with that trait = EVEN MORE DPS
sick sentinel
MORE DEEPS
solid mist
walking around M+'s like 👢
I wonder if the proc could push block chance above a certain % where it might be worth it to not use SB during avatar? could use it as a way to let charges come back
assuming mastery doesn't change
sick sentinel
the thing is , we raise Crit block chance a lot
solid mist
it's double right? mastery = +x% block and +(x*2)% crit block?
chilly brook
iirc you have to block in order for the roll for whether it’s a crit Block is done
sick sentinel
yeah
solid mist
hold on, gotta figure out G'huun's THAC0
sick sentinel
btw with 0 mastery you have 12% crit block and 8% attack power
solid mist
😏
sick sentinel
and with 1000 mastery 32.75% crit block and 22% attack power
does mastery fall off?
storm kindle
sorry to hijack, but out of shimmering haven, heed my call and earthlink. what is best?
sick sentinel
@daring cedar I would use Vial+eye tbh
chilly brook
Tfw you have 1099 crit
storm kindle
just respecced prot so not too sure
vagrant cape
holy shit. I'm looking at my heroic logs from last night. My cotank is opening like a madman:
He opened with shield slam > devastate > devastate > TC > devastate > devastate > devastate > demo shout > shield slam > TC > devastate > devastate > AVATAR
daring cedar
Thanks....
chilly brook
It’s ez
sick sentinel
I would pick haven personally but some people here ABSOLUTELY hate it for 2 reasons
vagrant cape
HE USED DEVASTATE 7 TIMES BEFORE HE POPPED AVATAR
sick sentinel
- they can hide floor mechanics
- they hate it proccing when they have to move out it
chilly brook
@vagrant cape Wadu hek
vagrant cape
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
sick sentinel
@vagrant cape kick him
chilly brook
Oh did you talk to your officers yet?
vagrant cape
I sent a message earlier, but I'm finally at a PC so I can look at the logs
solid mist
they need to just remove devastate
vagrant cape
I'm writing a message to the leader simultaneously
solid mist
that button is a noob trap or something
sick sentinel
make devastator great again
solid mist
by removing it
vagrant cape
there's a talent that does that ^.^
unborn crest
need a quick confirmation: Gem Hide stacks?
solid mist
lol
vagrant cape
yes
unborn crest
danke'
vagrant cape
alright, someone look at these logs with me
The fetid opener on my end is weird because I didn't have avatar up for the pull
I used it on trash beforehand
My avatars are a little clunky at times, but nothing like Nolove
storm kindle
@sick sentinel thanks for the info, il run it and see how it feels 👍
sick sentinel
@storm kindle Honestly, the procs per minute are so many on haven, sometimes there are like 2 on the ground
storm kindle
ok that sounds good, 😃 looking forward to giving prot a go
sick sentinel
BRB PUKING
vagrant cape
oh my god
Every fight except zul his most used skill is devastate
how
just
how
chilly brook
Reeeee
sick sentinel
GIVE HIM THE BOOT OR A GUIDE
solid mist
welll and teh fact that TC generates rage
solid mist
devastate just is rolling dice
vagrant cape
I see why the healers hate healing prot warriors now
this is what they've put up with
solid mist
the origination array buff thing, that buffs your secondary stat. will it change as a fight goes if you are getting buffs and stuff? like if pop jes howler and my vers goes above haste, will the array change? or is it based on like the base number?
sick sentinel
I don't get those complaints. Quite the opposite "oh wow you take less damage than any of the other tank types" etc.
chilly brook
@vagrant cape well your co-tank will be in luck since I’ll be uploading a prot guide later today
😜
sick sentinel
MAJOR learn2play prot warr issue.
vagrant cape
Also, during most of the bosses my array was set up for mastery (because I forgot to eat haste food, whoops) so he had 500 more haste than me, but I still get more casts off than him on every fight
sick sentinel
@solid mist good question
vagrant cape
It will change if your base stat changes
chilly brook
I’d actually have to completely redo my gear to properly get array working
vagrant cape
so procs from rezan's/jes will change your array
chilly brook
700ish haste 1100ish crit
vagrant cape
ew
chilly brook
😑
solid mist
interesting. I guess that's good though. popping howler gives you some super versatility then
sick sentinel
yes.
as well as your group!
well, those around you @ raid. I don't use it much for raids.
solid mist
they should just patch 8.1. all prot wars get a new item in their inbox. it's a 6pack and handle of booze. you may optionally consume it to change your war to a brewmaster. boom. problems solved
help out people who just wanna hit devastate
sick sentinel
🤔
vagrant cape
So keep in mind he had 500 more haste than me. These are the total number of casts (and devastate is always his highest except on zul):
Fetid devourer: we were even (130 to 127) because I didn't have avatar on pull.
Vectis: he beat me by 4 (240 to 244)
Zek: 341 to 304
Zul: 193 to 206 (I still cast more shield slams, TCs, and IPs. He got 22 more devastates tho)
Mythrax: 366 to 336