They do one key and get their chest - the better players chain a bunch and just get fed gear is the point im making
#protection
round vortex
oblique garnet
Well yeah normally
Ive probably been farming m+ most in our guild yet i only have 372ilvl where as some of our more casual players have 377+ because they get lucky titanforges etc
Personal loot in raids should seriously be optional
round vortex
yeah i agree PL is fucked
only the shitlords who know they don't deserve or want to work for their gear would disagree imo
oblique garnet
Like i understand in pugs it should be mandatory but guild runs like cmon
static lance
Man, I'm still only 362. Too casual for my own good.
onyx vessel
PL works better for that shitter in your guild getting all the tit forged items and they still suck
outer dew
tbf, my off spec is higher ilvl than most people
onyx vessel
Sounds about right
chrome harbor
is blood sport a good trait? over the revenge one at least?
vagrant cape
the exact priority list is in the pins
chrome harbor
shit i missed that
chrome harbor
ah tahts why, der
vagrant cape
it goes DC > BFI > iron fortress > the two you just mentioned, forgot the order > reincforced plating
I wanna say bloodsport is better, but that's a complete guess
chrome harbor
yea it is
oo and it has both s tier for the next ring, blood siphon and azerite veins
pvp gear op
quasi crow
can we realistically expect any proper changes to prot in 8.1? or will we get fricked by blizz again?
stone crag
we can only hope
vagrant cape
honestly the more mythic 11s and 12s i do, the more i feel like the spec is perfectly fine, perhaps even good (this is without playing any other tanks in bfa)
chrome harbor
they said a while back, hotfix %, then actual changes in 8.1.
vagrant cape
searik speaks the truth
what I'd love is for us to have more talent options than "do you want big thunderclaps or more leaps?"
stone crag
regardless if they say they have intentions on putting changes out, we have yet to see anything on PTR
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chrome harbor
as once 8.1 hits theyll be busy fixing all the bugs and tuning that shoulda been done on the PTR after it launches
vagrant cape
shadow priests got changes, didn't they?
stone crag
we are shadow priest?
vagrant cape
are we shadow? or are we dancer?
and I'm just saying that if other classes are getting changes, we might be next in line
I;m convinced, though, that they don't havbe a clue what to change with us
shamans got a sneak peek at new changes
shadow is on the ptr
we got our mastery removed and given back exactly as is
it's too soon for doomsaying, but I'm hoping they figure this out
mystic trellis
Archive or brace for m+ ?
cinder nova
They don't know what to do with any of the tanks.
vagrant cape
@mystic trellis brace for impact is better slightly, but you use the piece for raiding it's honestly not worth reforging it imo
oblique garnet
beta for azeroth strikes again cant use any other abilities not even from spellbook besides TC and Revenge
final mist
Respec or relog, should fix it.
zinc mauve
if anyone is doing +10 tol dagor, most of the pulls are pretty easy this week
idk if its different for alliance
no significant pulls are infested
round vortex
I feel like the problem with the balancing is that prot warriors are so insanely strong with cool downs rolling but so weak without them that they are trying to find the inbetween. And it looks like they are trying to do it with block mechanics and interactions. Hopefully some talent changes coming with it.
Just give us back legion prot with the 2 piece plz haha
cinder nova
I think they should change our mastery to something else and let us govern when we want to crit block
zinc mauve
i hope they keep the skill ceiling as high as it is, just make it easier for beginners
cause right now, if you suck, you REALLY suck
cinder nova
kek
zinc mauve
if anything, i just wish we get a bit more tools for either ranged damage or magic damage
cinder nova
Honestly they need to make ranged weapon attacks blockable.
In what fucking world are arrows not blockable
leaden kernel
beware the dreadfull throw rock
zinc mauve
this shit needs to fucking stop https://i.imgur.com/1mZhdlF.png
obtuse venture
New Patch Notes: Ranged attacks are now blockable but reduce the durability of your shield by the damage blocked. The devs feel like this change is consistent with the prot warrior class fantasy.
obtuse venture
You got good luck protection instead of bad luck protection
floral tinsel
ohh damn.. I would kill for a defning clash anything above 340 😦
keen spire
^
I got a 370 helm today that didn't have DC... had to swap in a 340 chest piece instead of the 355 I was wearing to get the most benefit. Sigh
untold adder
hahahah ofc i got the one ring that i already have a 380 of
even unique so cant equip it. feels bad man
keen spire
Yo dudes - 375 Syringe or 375 Xalzaix's?
sick sentinel
animated blood good for prot or useless?
keen spire
my other trink is a 355 galecallers
ooohhh god I love the vial dude
makes your avatar DS shit spike in damage so hard
Vial is way better than either of those you have there
imo
especially with the 30 ilvl increase
sick sentinel
@floral tinsel cap conquest for 355 ilvl shoulders with DC
gray wolf
another week, another shoulderless chest
untold adder
this has been my worst chest week so far..
gray wolf
i mean i can't really complain since it's a decent item
untold adder
i have one 380 item... now i have two.. of the same... yay
tall wind
Im rerolling got 385 shoulders whit DC trait, you could call me mcdonalds cause i am loving it
floral tinsel
@untold adder
sick sentinel
this has been my best week so far, a 40 ilvl upgrade and best secondary stats weapon on the DK, 2 titanforged trinkets
floral tinsel
untold adder
very nice ....
amber siren
dual wield them EZ
gray wolf
same item aswell
gray wolf
😆
obtuse venture
can someone make a WA that triggers this sound effect each time you loot a chest? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_asNhzXq72w
untold adder
lol
oblique garnet
385 Pauldrons of Horned Horror just woah couldnt have been anything with worse traits
gray wolf
atleast you don't have 340 shoulders anymore?
floral tinsel
I still do
gray wolf
welcome to the club agent
untold adder
ye im 371 and only got 355..
gray wolf
wait wat?
manic perch
all i want is a nice thick shield 😛
untold adder
blizz dun goofed
gray wolf
can we get azerite from m+ soon?
oblique garnet
No it means i have 340 shoulders
Doesnt have DC trait in them
So i gotta use the 340s
45ilvl upgrade but because it doesnt have one trait its basically useless for prot
untold adder
well ye dc is really bad to miss
manic perch
is m+ weekly loot random from any dungeon, or specifically from the highest you ran that week?
untold adder
random
manic perch
so no point in just running 1 for example to pray for a shield?
untold adder
nope
manic perch
sucks donkey balls
robust bronze
Ok, so i got 385 azrite helmet with DC today, and i already have DC on shoulder, but i dont have any shoulders with hige ilvl 355(shoulders) is it worth droping those for a 340 BFI or IF?
frigid blaze
Managed to get AOTC, bois. Considering swapping to DH but can't decide.
manic perch
how is DH in raiding i heard they were a bit bad?
untold adder
they have a hard time with spike dmg
manic perch
like fetid?
raven kernel
Heroic is ok
untold adder
yes
raven kernel
Don't do mythic
frigid blaze
That's roughly what I've heard about prot, too, haha.
raven kernel
Prot is good on a number of fights
stone crag
like fetid
untold adder
prot does pretty well with spike imop
floral tinsel
Yeah, prot is also quite good on zekvoz and ghuun. On ghuun we can spell reflect explosive corruption and on zkvoz we can reduce the damage of void lash by a lot through spell reflect and ip
frigid blaze
Had no clue about SR on ghuun. That's great.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Dqnb39xrGtBQg7M/#fight=last&source=3&type=summary
Pick me apart, folks.
frigid blaze
I only got a 23 percentile parse, which makes me feel like garbage, but I try not to look at parses too much on progression because I'm trying to focus so much more on staying alive.
Still, 23 is very low.
I essentially did nothing in P1, though. That could have something to do with it.
Just waited on an edge for my turn to go up. Interrupted some adds, etc.
floral tinsel
@frigid blaze you need to grind more wooons of azerite.. You are a bit light on unlocked powers
untold adder
oh yes ofc did you forget to grind the WOOONS?
floral tinsel
😄
frigid blaze
I am indeed woonless 😦
Have been neglecting that quite a bit. Going to catch up quite a bit this week, hopefully.
I almost swapped my 370 shoulders out for 340's that have Crystalline Carapace unlocked in the middle
both have Brace for Impact on outer
floral tinsel
On the rest off the stats, most off it looks normal
frigid blaze
kk, so no major misplays you're seeing? My uptimes could be higher, but I didn't use Sblock, Demo, etc. unless I was actively tanking
Could have used Demo on CD for more damage, but wanted to prioritize mitigation for the first kill
mystic trellis
Anyone know if/how to get a 340 of this DC item? https://www.wowhead.com/item=162622/groggy-brawlers-chestplate
The icy veins trait tool showed it had a middle ring so I'm not sure
frigid blaze
I'm not sure that you can. Do azerite pieces from rares drop in WQ azerite chests? That's the only way I can think of
Even then, those cap at 325 I think.
mystic trellis
Yeah no clue. It's weird cause there are some items on the tool that dont have a middle ring, which means it knows it's not possible to get those 340+
floral tinsel
You can get to to 370 inn emissaries now, så that's a place to go for it.. But main source is uldir (witch prot is better at than m+ anyways)
untold adder
that lyder som en good ide.
floral tinsel
Regarding uptime.. Is hard to judge on ghuun as it depends on how much movement you had to do etc.
If it was fetid it would be more about pure numbers.
untold adder
missclick your sb once on fetid and enjoy ass rape.
floral tinsel
For ghuun I would judge success by the fact that you did kill him. And for consistency sake I would compare your next runs with this one.. Aka. Use your current run as a metric to either tangent or do better then :)
clear delta
lmao yeah
untold adder
teeming sucks
gray wolf
FEELSGOODMAN
untold adder
but luckely they nerfed it last time
floral tinsel
Lol.. Mythic fetid, if you mismanage keeping up demo shout...
untold adder
volcanic i dont give a shit about
floral tinsel
We kept dieting there together with my cotank (paladin)... Basically is about doing perfect mitigation
floral tinsel
Yah..
gray wolf
does howler count?
manic perch
guess it does
manic perch
should stop giving my trinkets away to dps guildies then 😛
stone crag
sporepods 🤔
zinc mauve
failed a +13 feels bad
sick sentinel
I'm using rezan + jes
And crystaline carapse is a trash middle trait, 100 armor wow
It's just a worse gemhide
mellow bridge
what is this shit man
My friend got 370 azerite in his emissary
I dont even have an azerite emissary
The last 3 days I got gold once and AP twice
he gets AP twice and 370 azerite
?
sick sentinel
Are you playing the same faction?
mellow bridge
Yes
stone crag
i dont see why this week would make a shitty trinket any better
mellow bridge
We're on the same server, same faction and we play very often with each other
what the fk man..
sick sentinel
Idk then
wintry ermine
he did the saturday or sunday emissary late, thats why
mellow bridge
so did I
I had 3 emissaries to do yesterday
did em and now the one today gives me gold
wintry ermine
huh
clear delta
diff classes?
sick sentinel
Classes should not make a difference
mellow bridge
Azerite shit is literally the only thing not allowing me to hit 370 finally
and then the fucking WQ doesnt even show up for me?
and the weekly chest was fucking trash as well
whatever, gonna go for now
this is stupid
frigid blaze
Not anymore, are they? Pretty sure they scale now.
raven kernel
Not talking about scaling
frigid blaze
Oh! I see now. Derp.
topaz badger
uhm, when I'm tanking m10 with 365ilvl, a disc priest has trouble keeping me up.
but paladin with same gear seems no problem
steady dock
doesn't pally have like huge self heals?
ember arrow
Logs. Anecdotes tell little
topaz badger
I only have logs of raids, but there we've got like same dmg taken
I just don't get it
steady dock
check paladin's hps
ember arrow
Hps alone means nothing
fossil spindle
Levko being a boss as always 😀🤙
ember arrow
To properly analyze a fight
topaz badger
lemme check
prisma night
Ehrps is alright to look at, combine it with dmg intake profile for spikiness
steady dock
There's no log, so we're left to guesswork anyway.
fossil spindle
Use the phone? 😀
ember arrow
Youre on wow?
steady dock
I had issues going with my guild's disc priest in M+ until he started using shadowmend
Most discs I've seen are trying to top up with atonement and damage
topaz badger
yeah, I only seem to have issues with disc healers
ember arrow
Same
steady dock
shadowmend + shield
ember arrow
I had 2 real good ones
steady dock
then atonement to act as a hot
ember arrow
All other times its like no healer
steady dock
and it's pure gold
steady dock
When was that, last week with fortified?
ember arrow
Yes
steady dock
Damn son your cojones are the size of a city
ember arrow
On skellington pack
topaz badger
I'm kind of tired hearing everyone say how bad prot warrior is.
ember arrow
Here is comparison made by @junior igloo
Paladin vs. Warrior
- active mitigation with limited up-time (SotR / Shield Block)
- secondary mitigation in the form of heal/absorb (LotP / IP)
- offensive cooldown with minor defensive benefits (Avenging Wrath / Avatar)
- offensive/defensive cooldown used mostly on cooldown (Seraphim / Demo Shout)
- a defensive cooldown often used to bridge gaps in mitigation, can also be used as oh-shit button (Ardent Defender / Last Stand)
- a strong defensive ability on a long cooldown (Guardian / Shield Wall)
- a magic only ability (Spellwarding / Spell Reflect)
- a situational gimmicky cooldown that can remove/prevent some debuffs/cc (Divine Shield / Berserker's Rage)
- a hard hitting rotational ability generating resource that you want to use on cooldown (Judgment / Shield Slam)
- an AoE rotational ability that you want to use on cooldown (Avenger's Shield / Thunder Clap)
- a filler rotational ability (Hammer of the Righteous / Devastate)
- one more ability to round up the spec (Consecration / Revenge (+ rage management))
Overall those 2 classes play very similarly in my opinion. Of course some of these ^ don't match up perfectly 1:1, but the key ideas like low AM up-time, cooldowns on rotational abilities etc. are similar.
I wouldn't say one is easier or harder design wise, they both have similar baseline playstyle and similar options to min-max both defensively and offensively.
Of course this say nothing about the strength of the classes.
Pala just has better m+ utility
@steady dock pally doesnt have huge self heal id say. Its on a long cd and on gcd. If it crits its alot otherwise it can smooth one spike
jade shell
waddup guys
ember arrow
👋
jade shell
has there been any new info or changes about prot on PTR?
steady dock
huh, the more you know
ember arrow
Nothing new im aware of @jade shell
jade shell
idk about u guys but i personally felt prot was very good at the end of legion w/ the artifact wep overload
ember arrow
Yes
untold adder
it was ..
stone crag
that's quite a popular opinion
topaz badger
and we had some decent healing too
untold adder
if you had bracers ,sure
topaz badger
yeah
jade shell
i never really used bracers, the massive IPs from the vers buff were really something else though, everyone was saying that prot war was still awful for m+ but i felt it was in a good spot.. just feels so underwhelming atleast for me in BFA though 😦
untold adder
well GCD and enormous IP nerf really takes its toll
jade shell
i really wanna like and enjoy prot in dungeons again, seeing other prot warriors actually succeeding and doing keys higher than 10 make me jealous but it just pains me to play the spec atm, any tips ? i miss devastator kinda
untold adder
are you specced into devestator??
jade shell
naah im running the demo shout one, tried out devastator though but i cant feel it
ember arrow
@jade shell bfa as whole feels underwhelming 😉
untold adder
right now im just treading water, trying to keep my warrior relevant. I trust the next patch is going to turn it around and then ill be happy im prot
jade shell
yeah, true that levko.. sorry i feel like im on abit of a rant just really tired but cant sleep at 5am 😒
ember arrow
You missed me yesterday
Complain city
This is nothing
I can write a book about my problems wit bfa
Noteven talking prot warr
jade shell
do u guys feel prot war might be comp dependent in keys? like what healer works the best with us?
static pilot
I prefer someone with chunky tank heals. Monk/paladin/holy priest
Resto druid healing doesn't pair up well with our healing req pattern, disc is very skill dependent, and resto shaman are... Well, still not in a great place for m+
stone crag
shaman's definitely aren't tank healers
raven kernel
Tbh paladins are the weakest to me
If there's party wide damage
The pally struggles
static pilot
With that said, skill>spec. I'd rather take a solid resto shaman than an unknown monk
raven kernel
I'm fine with shamans tbh
I ran with shaman or monk mostly at start of bfa
Nowadays i run with disc
sick sentinel
My guild's full of good healers, feelsgoodman
stone crag
why would a disc change that
amber siren
pain sup?
sick sentinel
Pain sup I guess
raven kernel
I don't think shadow mend is affected by necrotic
raven kernel
Idk how she kept me up through 100% heal reduction then
She was spamming shadowmend as I kited off my stacks
static pilot
Forced kiting through life grip? ^^
raven kernel
I never kited
stone crag
druids got vortex, shamans have spirit totem ¯_(ツ)_/¯
raven kernel
Until I needed to drop
sick sentinel
Is last stand affected by necrotic?
past ledge
Hey guys, what did u get from the weekly chest?
stone crag
the healing portion should be
sick sentinel
I think it is
raven kernel
High stacks didn't really matter when negligible dmg is taken after block
static pilot
I really like resto shaman when I'm on my blood DK, their toolkit is great. 12 sec interrupt, snare totem, stun totem, no cd purge, bloodlust, and spirit link totem when stuff gets hairy
raven kernel
By the time the stacks got high, most things were dead
static pilot
They just struggle a bit on tank healing which is a bit awkward for a warrior tank
past ledge
I did a plus 11 kings rest last night, we could not pass the room after the first boss! Is it really THAT hard?
raven kernel
That room is really bad
past ledge
They were balming me for dying pretty fast
raven kernel
Esp on fort necrotic
past ledge
I mean
raven kernel
It's a ree
past ledge
What the hell should i do, already used all def CD's
I just get melted in seconds lol
ember arrow
prot in m+
sick sentinel
Aw come on levko
past ledge
I did all other mythics atleast +8 easily
But kings rest for some reason i cant pass +6
ember arrow
i mean
after using bonestorm
going to prot
is ooof
you can cc small skellingtons
so u tank less at a time
sick sentinel
Shackle undead/control undead
past ledge
But i mean why would they blame me lol
I tried kiting, tanking, running and even dying lol
ember arrow
well you get hit and die while being a tank thats supposed to not die
thats the reason
they dont know shit about tanks
like 90% of dd/healers do
past ledge
Is there a place where i can look for M+ grps ? I really dont want to pug it everytime with ppl flaming and blaming me for something i have no control over
ember arrow
floral tinsel
I preffer resto druid or monk healer, but warriors struggle in m+ is not tied to comp
past ledge
Thanks levko
floral tinsel
And anything goes.. even disc priest, paladin or shaman healers
past ledge
Whats the affix for this week?
tight tree
good week
raven kernel
Easy
floral tinsel
thank god it is not Fortified + teeming, like last time 😛
and yes.. this week seems great
fathom marten
Just going to suck with stacking strats
copper pewter
any recommendations on which trinket combo would be best? apologies if it's a dumb question 😛
copper pewter
Ok cool, thanks 😄
sick sentinel
Once you start using rezans, you can't stop
copper pewter
Yeah, my eyes bulged at getting a decent item from the weekly chest for once
sick sentinel
A mini bloodlust for 15 sec with an average 1 min ppm
untold adder
crazy
sick sentinel
700 haste should be doubling your haste
copper pewter
Then I shall thank my lucky stars haha
untold adder
rezans proc + avatar + demo shout during trash in m+ ... the dmg must be insane lol
sick sentinel
Also this proccing during bloodlust its just amazing
zinc mauve
@past ledge you shouldnt be struggling in a +6 on King's Rest. How high is your ilvl and have you checked your talents with the guides?
unless you are referring to last week
kings rest is fucking terrible on fortified
in hindsight after readding all your other messages, im guessing your talents are probably right
kings rest just has some brutal DoT spells
the berserkers have a stacking dot that will kill you on 2 stacks on fortified unles your healer drops CDs on you; so save heroic leap until the buff has 3~ seconds left and jump away
fair crystal
how we felling about Veiled Eye off Mythrax just got a nice 370 with socket usen a 355 Howler/Rezans ideas boys/girls
zinc mauve
the archers have a poison cone they will shoot that will make your life hell while its active
2nd boss is brutal on tyrannical since his fire aoe will likely kill anyone in mere seconds, severing axe on the 3rd boss (the one with axes) will probably kill someone every time it gets activated
king's rest is just an awful dungeon fortified or tyrannical; its by no stretch impossible but it definitely has more than its fair share of BS
past ledge
how do you guys deal with the pack right before the 2nd boss in atal?
zinc mauve
the huge pack right in front of the boss?
ember arrow
mindcontrol 1
past ledge
yeah
zinc mauve
CC one of the healer mobs
ember arrow
cc other
zinc mauve
mind control is good too
if the mantle gets casted and you cant move the augurs out, you're screwed
daring lily
CC the one that dispells the other CC's, dont remember which one it is
zinc mauve
the pack is probably even bigger since its teeming
its the caster that isn't the augur
augur = fire mage
just keep that loser selected and interrupt fiery enchant immediately
ember arrow
second boss = volkaal
zinc mauve
is that the gold princess or the guy who is just decaying
past ledge
im talking about the green one
zinc mauve
oh
mind control helps a lot there yeah, CC both if you can and clear out the mobs; kill the totem last
if you kill the totem first you're probably going to die
by CC both i mean the big dudes who are invincible till the totem's dead in case it was not clear
ember arrow
ye
zinc mauve
it's probably the hardest pack in the dungeon. I wipe to it pretty much 80% of the time
and that last 20% is because i have a DK who can control them
sick sentinel
It is the hardest part of the dungeon
merry cave
Can just skip it if you wipe to it that much and get a few extra mobs elsewhere
sick sentinel
Deathskip it twice 🙃
old zephyr
This week is teaming ?
sick sentinel
Teeming tyrannical
old zephyr
And 3rd one ?
ember arrow
tyranical teeming infested volcanic
old zephyr
Oh It's not that bad
Except Maybe volcanic for seph/td cancer bosses
Let's soak/dodge that AoE when volcanic says no
ember arrow
volcanic is only 2 yards right
its not like the stun poison really gonna do anything
u take 2 steps
oblique garnet
40% haste in uldir feels good
astral crystal
yeah
it's surprising how having 450 extra haste makes prot feel
Kappa
fucking shield blocks actually line up on fetid
neat lagoon
so got a new 370 helm , took Iron Fortress on it, but second tiers are Azerite Globules, Str in Numbers, and Heed My Call. I know Str is a great secondary tier surv trait but any idea whats a better dps output between Globules or Heed my Call? figured id ask some opinions as well as Simming
sick sentinel
FOR FUCKS SAKE
ember arrow
rip
past ledge
god be with u my friend
chrome falcon
Fuck you @sick sentinel
The instant you linked that
My chest also gave me those shoulders
sick sentinel
WTF
past ledge
ROFL
chrome falcon
I'm reporting you to the mods of this discord to get you banned
This is unforgivable
warm axle
omg i got 385 kraken shell pauldrons from m+ chest!!
isnt that BiS for us because of DC?
chrome falcon
Yes...........
warm axle
GG
sick sentinel
sdf;'kghdfls;'hjkl'gjklp'shl;'gsdghjkl;fgskgl
past ledge
damn lol
past ledge
what are the chances haha
sick sentinel
I got no az piece in neither chest
for the whole exp
so I had bad luck protection
but exactly
IT HAS OVERWHELMING POWER AS WELL
primal crypt
@ember arrow dont hate LUL
primal crypt
😄
sick sentinel
we lost :thyme: !
primal crypt
trail dagger
I got my third cloak in a row
spice musk
hey i got 385 azerit chest today sadly without DC. (have 340 Shoulders with DC) Is it worth to change the chest with a 355 archive Trait ?
trail dagger
I would like to thank my raidleader for cursing me.
sick sentinel
@spice musk have a set of inside uldir and a set of outside of uldir
spice musk
or is the Archive trait to strong?
sick sentinel
not worth dropping 30 ilvls
archive gives you aprox 200 at max stacks right?
30 ilvls are 232 stam, 115 str and 89 armor
past ledge
is the number of add pulled in a pack effect the number of volcanic appearing ?
or is it just like quaking?
primal crypt
Dont think it really matters
But now that i think about it....
I think its like quak
But volcanic is like not having a mechanic
So........
chrome falcon
@past ledge more mobs=more volcanoes
spice musk
but the uldir trait gives 200 Str you dont forgive that right?
sick sentinel
what trait does your 385 have?
astral crystal
v Bastion of Might (Prot): Avatar increases your Mastery by 40 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain.
hm...
nope, can't fap to this
sick sentinel
I also do
chrome falcon
As long as IP isn't total trash
astral crystal
you know the state IP is in atm
sick sentinel
it is an outouter ring trait right?
astral crystal
hopefully it means there's an IP change somewhere down the tube
idk where it's situated yet
sick sentinel
like we do not give up our current ones
astral crystal
i mean IP isnt a defensive CD
sick sentinel
and an offencive CD
chrome falcon
This basically means that Avatar generates 60 rage, rather than 20
and also buys you another GCD
uneven mason
I mean't the Mastery boost
chrome falcon
if we're optimistic and say that GCD was shield slam
uneven mason
but yeah that too
chrome falcon
Avatar technically generates 75 rage
uneven mason
it gives Avatar more defensive value
chrome falcon
Though you don't get any AM benefit from it
It also (depending on how much mastery it gives) allows much more aggro play during avatar
uneven mason
Mastery buff during avatar ++++ DPS niche
chrome falcon
We're also hopefully getting a new mastery
uneven mason
I like our mastery
uneven mason
I mean, it could use something else
Like say, just make critcial block how warriors work
sick sentinel
it has been the same since WotLK right?
chrome falcon
Are you sure it wasn't wotlk
uneven mason
Talent != Mastery stat
It was a flat uh what 20 or 30% back then
block was also based on SBV
So, anywho, Cataclysm is when they had "Rollover" block
where any % Over 100% ended up going into Critical block
so we'd get like...70% Critical block
and be unhittable
so they changed it to a 2 roll system
But yeah, mastery might be in need of a change just because of how unreliable RNG makes it.
causes spikes
which is what healers have an issue with
floral tinsel
Anyone got any thoughts on the new upcoming azerite trait for prot?
Bastion of Might (Prot): Avatar increases your Mastery by 40 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain.
sick sentinel
we JUST talked about it
chrome falcon
It's not on the same row as IF
tranquil kraken
What changes do you think could be made to IP to improve it?
floral tinsel
4th
stone crag
looks very underwhelming imo
tranquil kraken
I think they're adding another ring
sick sentinel
I am like 90% sure it is a 4rth ring
uneven mason
change the ap coefficient to 5 from 3.5
tall wadi
just turn warrior mastery into monk mastery which in turn is a PoE ripoff
sick sentinel
40 mastery is with lvl 1 scaling
uneven mason
it should scale quite nice
sick sentinel
do not look at the number
look at the effect
OR you can calculate
if you are into that
tranquil kraken
You think IP just needs a straight buff? I'll be honest I don't think I really play at the "high end" so I can't really say for sure how to fix it haha, just curious what other people think.
sick sentinel
that's a 50% increase for me lol
chrome falcon
Prot doesn't need "fixing"
tall wadi
yep
sick sentinel
I have 1k mastery right now
signal plover
comes into prot warr discord expecting new trait shitshow discussion
chrome falcon
It needs like 2 tweaks and an IP buff and we're golden pretty much
tranquil kraken
Ah, I don't mean prot itself, I mean IP
signal plover
is not disappoint
chrome falcon
Calling this a shitshow might be going a little far there are like 6 people in here
signal plover
It's early
floral tinsel
Lol
tranquil kraken
yeah that's what I meant, how to fix IP, not prot - not saying prot is broken, just people mentioned IP needs to be worked on so I wanted to know what everyone thought might "fix" it 😄
signal plover
Good enough start bb
chrome falcon
IP just needs to come off GCD or just get reworked from the ground up
signal plover
We'll go through this cycle 5 times today
chrome falcon
If IP comes off GCD we generate a ton more rage
hot locust
no
we dont
we press devastate 1 more time every so often instead
the rage we generate barely changes
hot locust
If you want IP coming off GCD to actually have a significant impact we'd have to increase our baseline rage generation to match.
uneven mason
^^^
hot locust
Otherwise it won't make a difference right now.
chilly brook
@tranquil kraken depends who you ask, personally I believe that IP just simply needs a volume buff
chrome falcon
IP off GCD during avatar would make a pretty big difference
robust bronze
fun item in island expedtions
hot locust
IP isn't the problem right now to be honest...
sick sentinel
well the new trait giving like 400-500 mastery would give a lot of attack power( and a ton of crit blocks) and that would make for bigger IPs
hot locust
buffing it would be the absolute laziest way to band-aid our problems right now.
chilly brook
No it’s not but it sure would be nice to have it be able to take more than 2 autos
uneven mason
@chrome falcon But IP on the GCD (or in general) isn't our problem
fervent harness
its true, the fact we fall over like a leaf is our problem 😦
chrome falcon
there is no "the problem", prot is fine, BrM is just broken beyond belief so everyone wants to bring those instead
uneven mason
If IP was bigger, we'd be higher in mitigation (hint we're already the most durable tank)
chrome falcon
also TC not being a 20% slow would be nice
fervent harness
lol @chrome falcon are you high? we are by far the worst tanks right now!
sick sentinel
@fervent harness no we are not
uneven mason
0_o
hot locust
we really aren't.
chilly brook
🤔
chrome harbor
Wasn't Blizzard activly trying to raise the floor on classes? In that sense prot isn't working out
uneven mason
There is no worst tank
chilly brook
I mean I’d argue DH is the worst for raiding
uneven mason
We're unforgiving, thus have no padding for when folks screw up, we just happen to be the EASIEST one to make mistakes on
chilly brook
And Bear isn’t much better
next goblet
and thats why i like prot @uneven mason
signal plover
We're not the worst tank, we're the most punishing on poor play
uneven mason
Rather I should say there is a worst tank, its situational
sick sentinel
the bottom 3 tanks might be warrior>disc priest>guardian druid (in that order) but we are still ok-ish
uneven mason
We don't deal with some mechanics as well as other tanks
next goblet
lul disc priest
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
uneven mason
and other tanks don't deal with mechanics as well as us some of the time
real thunder
where are these new buffs posted that you guys are talking about? just joined the convo
stone crag
ptr
stone crag
sick sentinel
there are new traits on the new ring
hot locust
real thunder
ty
chilly brook
I mean I find satisfaction in the fact that our BrM co-tank struggles hardcore on M Zek, meanwhile I walk out of the combo with >60%
signal plover
^
next goblet
spell reflect the 2nd void lash right?
chilly brook
Yea
chrome falcon
BrM is trash at zekvoz
chilly brook
Along with an IP
hot locust
Doesn't necessarily mater which one to be honest.
chrome falcon
and god at everything else
ember arrow
bad cotank
chilly brook
I mean
vocal nimbus
Brm bad at zekvoz? 🤔
ember arrow
there is no tank dmg fter combo, and stagger cant kill u
chrome falcon
Yes @vocal nimbus
vocal nimbus
I didnt have a single problem
ember arrow
so even if hes at 1hp there is no danger
signal plover
I wouldn't think BRM would be bad there tbh
next goblet
stagger hasnt been able ot kill you for a long time lol people are just now finding this out tho
hot locust
since ever
ember arrow
u cant get below 1hp
astral crystal
our brm gets trucked in zekvoz
next goblet
to*
next goblet
stagger can only drop you to 1hp
ember arrow
from it
chilly brook
Wadu hek
vocal nimbus
I raid as brm and havent had a single problem in zekvoz
chrome falcon
@next goblet Stagger won't kill you but the constantly ticking raid damage and surging darkness probably will
I'm not saying BrM is unplayable there
But it is their worst fight
vocal nimbus
Ticking raid damage doesnt hit tanks
chrome falcon
Raid damage
next goblet
@chrome falcon the ticking raid damage doesnt hit tanks
ember arrow
it doesnt hit tanks
uneven mason
Stagger is literally a constant get out of death free card
uneven mason
its like PUrgatory
chrome falcon
Surging Darkness
uneven mason
but no down side
ember arrow
it doesnt overlap
next goblet
well you should be healed up before surging
ember arrow
except the very first
tranquil kraken
lol
chilly brook
Twice from second lash
chrome falcon
I've definitely seen my cotank die to that later in the fight
uneven mason
But yes, that is why BrM is also pretty badass at Fetid
because if they're taking thrash
hot locust
All I want is variable cost IP back 😦
uneven mason
they only take damage, pretty much in 6 second windows
chrome harbor
So thinking as a Blizzard dev, would that mean any changes to prot warrior in 8.1 would reduce the punishing play while not trying to raise the skill ceiling at all (yes yes I know the punishing playstyle is what people like, but Blizzard likes to close skill gaps, and thats what I can see happening) Would explain why we keep getting armor/hp buffs
uneven mason
Variable cost IP would mena we'd need a 30% increase in RPS gain for ST Lala
chilly brook
Meh tbh I’m a fan of the fixed cost IP
uneven mason
otherwise we'll starve ourselves out of SBs way more frequently
hot locust
Not necessarily
timid jay
Thats just a matter of planning your rage ahead a few seconds
hot locust
Less inherent risks of going high on rage during avatar and the like.
uneven mason
yeah, you'll just increase our timeline for needing to plan ahead
hot locust
Like I said in my big ol' thing, what I want and what the community probably needs are two different things.
chilly brook
I just want the stigma gone
signal plover
I mean I like variable cost IP as well but in legion it was just pressed at max cost the majority of the time.
hot locust
Nah I used sub 60 all the time.
timid jay
That had more to do with the RPS we had in legion though
hot locust
^ that too
signal plover
Fair
hot locust
We were literally generating over 3 times as much rage as we are now
uneven mason
Legion RPS was what, 3 -4x what we have right now
mmhmm
thats outside of the 4/2 teir stacking
signal plover
They'd have to tune the value to more than it is now tho
uneven mason
we had near infinite rage with the set bonuses
signal plover
Cuz with the GCD I'm not sure how that'd feel
uneven mason
It'd be fine, I'm sure Lala isn't wrong
timid jay
Better? since you dont have to press it as often
chilly brook
I just wish we’d have Demo Shout off gcd with avatar as well
signal plover
I'm not saying Lala is wrong
uneven mason
a 40-60 rage IP if they scaled it so that above 40 rage you have a bonus (like scales) to it
Would award pre planning
hot locust
variable rage IP wouldn't solve the accessibility problem though.
uneven mason
and actually playing at our skill cap
hot locust
Average players would still get floored almost as often.
chilly brook
The 4 piece set bonus of t21 post pre-patch would be a really nice addition to our kit
uneven mason
We'll I mean, I"M FINE with Prot having a high skill floor
primal crypt
"Bastion of Poop"
signal plover
I mean I'd like to see the increased recharge on SB walked back in
primal crypt
Nisuh
sick sentinel
zzz 12% mythic zek'vhoz
uneven mason
That fight is stupid long
sick sentinel
somehow I got pulled in to DPS as aux raiding.
queen owl
What stats for maximizing prot warrior DPS? I dont care about survivability
hot locust
Same, but a majority of players would like to be able to succeed as well with similar effort to other tanks and I respect that.
sick sentinel
🤔
uneven mason
I really don't want Prot to be more accessable
chilly brook
That fight as a way of somehow making people who could do heroic fail ez mechanics
ember arrow
@uneven mason you do realize that a spec that requires more effort for less reward is per definition worse
right?
sick sentinel
same
hot locust
Well this is why you aren't a game developer 😛
sick sentinel
I like where it is -now-
ember arrow
me lala?
chilly brook
I mean tbh I think that the majority of those players have 5 other tanks they could play if they want an easier time @hot locust
astral crystal
who wouldn't want their class to be more accessible
signal plover
I guess we can just wait n see ayyy
astral crystal
it's not a super secret club
hot locust
I'm pretty sure most people only have 1 main
timid jay
Theres nothing really wrong with having a few specs that are harder to play imo
chilly brook
That cool with only having one main
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m6Yk4yQhCnqfDJZR/ just need to do more wipes imo.
astral crystal
naturally, but that comment reeks of special snowflake syndrome
next goblet
special snowflakes ❤
ember arrow
@timid jay no, but harder to play must be > more dmg or tankier
sick sentinel
If it weren't an RP server, I'm sure it'd be dead already. too many bads.
chilly brook
But if you realize that the one class that you’re maining is too hard for you then tbh I think that’s a personal problem sticking with it
ember arrow
not harder to play for the lulz
hot locust
Not inherently Lev
ember arrow
there has to be a reward for putting more effort
sick sentinel
too many needing a voice/hand holding through fight.
timid jay
I've always been a fan of having harder specs to play for a slight increase in power
ember arrow
otherwise theres no point
timid jay
With emphasis on slight
stone crag
+1
chilly brook
I mean being on par is good enough for me
timid jay
Never claimed it was
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ember arrow
i didnt claim you claimed, but youre agruing something i didnt. i simply mentioned it needs to be more rewarding
signal plover
Minor reward
ember arrow
i didn ttspecify the magnitude
signal plover
;)
chilly brook
I’m able to do whatever content I want minus MDI most likely without a super special group composition and I’m chill with that
signal plover
BM hunter
signal plover
Dope
chrome harbor
I think it’s nice to say what we want, but Blizzards philosophy as of late has been inclusion rather then intentionally letting people push the envelope, as I think the prot playstyle in Legion was more from circumstance rather then design, same with current prot
chilly brook
I mean I could say that the circumstance was because of bad design?
tranquil kraken
lol
sick sentinel
BM hunter straight skate man
chrome harbor
I was trying to word it nicer
grim prism
Blizzard's philosophy as of late has been "make more OW content"
sick sentinel
s'how I feel too, Searik.
Prot's going that direction. It'll be like Legion end tier by the end ilvls.
chrome harbor
Which is a shame cause I loved legion prot
hot locust
bring back focused rage 😡
sick sentinel
or heroic strike x5
primal crypt
They should make prot completely unplayable!
chilly brook
Just make us cataclysm level of block 🙃
sick sentinel
both fun to me.
primal crypt
Best game design
hot locust
fuck heroic strike
sick sentinel
😄
hot locust
I want my shoulder slam animation back
sick sentinel
doesn't charge do that?
primal crypt
Heroic strike was so meh
chilly brook
Since you know according to Sco we need 100% uptime on SB
chrome harbor
*intercept
hot locust
sure lemme just charge in melee range every 6 seconds
sick sentinel
Charge ARMS does that.
hot locust
🤔
sick sentinel
yeah, Intercept dont.
next goblet
legion prot was pretty fun
sick sentinel
Blizzard refuses us to have fun.
next goblet
and the rage gen.. CRISPY lol
primal crypt
LUL
next goblet
lmfao
chilly brook
Druid was certainly wrong for raids lul
sick sentinel
😩 👌
primal crypt
Lev got that shit on deck
chrome harbor
Fun is measured by participation, because thats how rpg games work 🙃
sick sentinel
yeah, def Sco
ember arrow
we dont
chrome harbor
Well technically?
sick sentinel
Thankfully have Sense here to keep it real Prot max value.
chilly brook
Since when do you have to decide what the faction does in an rpg?
sick sentinel
ty @shut summit again
ember arrow
@chilly brook do you play dnd?
astral crystal
i mean having 100% uptime on block would be great
ember arrow
thats an rpg
primal crypt
Thank @shut summit
chrome harbor
Ehhh not really
chilly brook
Aka you play a role
sick sentinel
Block uptime feels fine to me at 370+ ilvl.
chrome harbor
That’s more of a recent rpg thing
ember arrow
whats the point of playing a role if it doesnt matter what role you play and what you do
outcome's the same
chilly brook
🤔
astral crystal
block uptime got considerably better after reorigination array hit 450 stacks
was doing m fetid yesterday and had almost zero gaps
primal crypt
Between block uptime and cooldown availability, at higher ilvl prot feels fantastic
chrome harbor
Like BioWare games, or if you forgot to kill the mad king in Witcher 3.... damnit I knew I shoulda done that
primal crypt
Like....my schlong is satisfied
ember arrow
mmos are bad rpgs by default
primal crypt
Best rpgs*
next goblet
so thats a spot called the placid springs.. swear it said flacid springs for a sec lol
primal crypt
I can transmog
chilly brook
Clearly an mmo has to sacrifice some rpg elements by very nature
ember arrow
yea
primal crypt
Mog mount lets me rpg the shit out lf WoW
chrome harbor
To be fair WoW worked better as an RPG when the biggest thing you had to worry about were bandits rather then inter faction politics
chilly brook
I don’t think anyone would argue that you’re wrong
chrome harbor
Being a horde atm is a bit awkward
chrome harbor
Idk some people like the power fantasy
sick sentinel
Who here horde +15 years?
chrome harbor
Legions Michel bay-esque story gets praised all the time
chilly brook
I’d just like it if they wouldn’t kill off another of my leaders
sick sentinel
Gimme parrot mount tho
chilly brook
@sick sentinel <<<<<<<<<<
sick sentinel
damn you FREEHOLD
ember arrow
@chrome harbor legion in lore we were op and we felt op
now we feel like shit
"we" is classes in general
whole shadow
What I should use for dungeon ?
chrome harbor
Legions story felt like a tv show or anime that went on too long and the writers got outta hand
chilly brook
@chrome harbor well for the most part the story that we’re getting is well made the problem is some of the characters and the interactions
And clear bias
queen owl
What stats for maximum DPS prot? Guides/pins only mention damage taken reduced.
chrome harbor
Idk if it’s bias rather then just sloppy writing
chilly brook
Horde overnight became villains just cuz
vagrant cape
Gore encrusted and... Fathoms? I don't know which one is better, but definitely the gore encrusted @whole shadow
chrome harbor
Their new head writer golden clearly sleeps with an Anduin body pillow after all
chilly brook
Saurfang can’t put down his personal honor so he’s basically a selfish orc who’s willing to put himself before everyone else in the horde
whole shadow
Gore encrusted? uh
ember arrow
uneven mason
Oh dammit man
ember arrow
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
uneven mason
I had tried to scrub that from memory
vagrant cape
@whole shadow the 360 with socket that grants crit
tight tree
Cant unsee that
sick sentinel
I use Fathoms perma now.
whole shadow
@vagrant cape okey ty
sick sentinel
and either 375 Jew Howlis Mythic+, or 385 Doom Fury raid.
primal crypt
Fathoms is bis for dps
chilly brook
Reeeeee
sick sentinel
yeah. I do dps now prot.
primal crypt
So goot
sick sentinel
survivability no concern.
primal crypt
Dont need it
sick sentinel
Jes Howlis^
chilly brook
Can’t unsee that ever now thanks for ruining Nathanos for me
primal crypt
We have shield block
sick sentinel
chrome harbor
That’s... kinda sad
ember arrow
@chilly brook my work is ruining other people's expectations
chrome harbor
So he’s the self insert everyone’s talking about
ember arrow
you're welcome
uneven mason
Nathanos
primal crypt
And Steve is disgusting
uneven mason
has been ruined
chrome harbor
We gotta find that dude a gf, maybe that’ll improve the story
uneven mason
since forever
primal crypt
Steve is a horrible person
uneven mason
Like, he was a cool quest dude in Vanilla
queen owl
people say fathoms is bis, but is it REALLY bis compared to mythic wf trinkets
queen owl
yes, finally a response lol
ember arrow
so we cant give you hard facts either way
chilly brook
I want forsaken with his body option plox
queen owl
so what stats for maximizing dps?
astral crystal
crit and spec 
vagrant cape
Uhhh
queen owl
it can be simmed. just devs are lazy with implementing Kappa
ember arrow
i mean, same as survival