protection

[limber wigeon]

because they can

[ebon hound]

they can, and they dont mind waiting

[mighty gulch]

Probably looking for a carry too

[junior ivy]

😦

[ember arrow]

how do i get the will to play wow again

bfa is draining my soul

[junior ivy]

i am never gonna get into keys

[mighty gulch]

Play with a friend

[ember arrow]

i tried

[grim prism]

CHECKING RAIDER.IO, MIN ILVL 360
[group leader is 343 and has 400 points]

[ember arrow]

its still a terrible expamsion

[grim prism]

@ember arrow just let it go

[mighty gulch]

I mean yeah half of the engineering items i use dont work its great

[grim prism]

Like a curling stone

[junior ivy]

im scared i wont be able to get my 10 done thyis week

[grim prism]

Let go and let it drift away

[ember arrow]

i should do same as thyme did

just stop

[grim prism]

Enjoy the remainder of your sub while it ticks down

I have six days left

[ember arrow]

can u freeze it?

4 mojnths for me

[grim prism]

Lol

[mighty gulch]

I have 2 years left

[grim prism]

Ask em

[mighty gulch]

I bought alot of tokens

[grim prism]

Theyll tell you no, but ask em

[ember arrow]

i tried convincing that bfa is fine

but no

enough

i am playing legion beta

[grim prism]

Its pretty rough

[ember arrow]

its like the rotten corpse of legion

[grim prism]

So much promise in the first week, instantly belied by so many glaring flaws

[mighty gulch]

If it wasn't so buggy and a few changes would be made i wouldn't mind it

[grim prism]

It's worse than WoD imo

And thats a harsh sentiment

[mighty gulch]

WOD had a good start

[ember arrow]

i have so many gripes, idont wanna pollute this chat again

[mighty gulch]

wod had amazing raiding and the new questing was innovative

[ember arrow]

nothing feels rewarding and everything is same as legion but worse

classes especially and i cant get over it

i will keep scale in my inventory

till wow dies

so i can look at it a last time

remember the good days

[grim prism]

BFA is like they took all the lessons they learned from WoD and Legion, and threw them out the window so they could use the worst parts of both

[ember arrow]

i cant imagine myself in legion only wanting to do a +10/15 and raid clear

now thats alreadytoo much

whats the point

u could farm leggos in legion

[sick sentinel]

@thin mortar define "high"

[grim prism]

wow wee a 375 briny barnacle

[ember arrow]

they had great trinkets in legion

gone

gearsets

gone

[signal plover]

Gud arms

[grim prism]

sure is nice to have gotten zero M+ azerite all expac

[plain ice]

it's okay. azerite traits will be fun and will be a replacement for legendaries, artifact traits, and tier set bonuses

[grim prism]

and baeline abilities

[ember arrow]

@grim prism i got exams in 3 weeks so maybe a good thing

release from the curse

[plain ice]

yes - and baseline abilities of course

[ember arrow]

having to choose between 2 spells that were on same tier and a leggo effect

wow

engaging

[grim prism]

honestly

i want to say i'd be released from the curse

[ember arrow]

@plain ice everything is passive

[grim prism]

but BFA is doing so little to grab me that i haven't even been playing lol

[ember arrow]

i need details to tell me wtf my azerite does

i cant FEEL it

[grim prism]

i played twice all last week

[ember arrow]

like i did tiersets

or leggos

[last hound]

What are you two complaining about? Someone didn’t get the loot the wanted in their cache ? Awww

[plain ice]

(i didn't actually mean that lol)

[sick sentinel]

they new ring will be more active abilities

[lusty grotto]

whoa shots fired

[grim prism]

hello new guy

[vocal nimbus]

what good trinkets were there in emerald nightmare

[signal plover]

🍿

[ember arrow]

so because last exp they started with shit trinkets

[plain ice]

that's my biggest complaint man. you get shit like your slam does 2000 more dmg. like wut

[ember arrow]

it must be shit now too?

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[signal plover]

dont worry balsaq bb im boutta get something SUPER sick for both of us

[sick sentinel]

first tier is always shit

[ember arrow]

thats not excuse

[signal plover]

o wait i logged out in stonetalon omw to a island turn in

[lusty grotto]

heyo i got a 380 Jes fam

[plain ice]

it's not an excuse when you're using 1 system to replace 4

[grim prism]

as someone who has been a regular poster in this discord for almost two years, i would like to cordially invite you to go fuck yourself Q

[plain ice]

if it was JUST tier, then sure

[ember arrow]

@last hound yes totally, lack of loot in m+ cache. bfa is perfect in every way

[grim prism]

shit i engaged again

tempban inc

[lusty grotto]

you did it Quaz

you released the kraken

[grim prism]

pfft nah

[signal plover]

o shit did seattle get a hockey team yet?

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[last hound]

Good. I went 2 weeks norm and heroic in Uldir with no loot

I feel the pain

[ember arrow]

thats not the reason we are complaining

at least im not

[lusty grotto]

dang

[grim prism]

great, i got four royal dagger hafts in two weeks during mythic NH prog

please refer to my last statement @ you

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

where's that haft emoji

[ember arrow]

tanking feels bad, wq are pointless, ap ffarming is bad

[lusty grotto]

[signal plover]

[grim prism]

do i to

[plain ice]

i don't think anyone is complaining about the accessibility of loot atm, friend

[ember arrow]

leggos were legion gimmick mostly sure

but why remove tiersets

theyve been in the game fro mthe start

[last hound]

Just being nosy as to why people want to unsub without scrolling all the way up. My fault

[grim prism]

lots of ongoing issues i've been talking about for the past six weeks

[plain ice]

i honestly think it's because they're trying to push more people towards m+ since it's the competitive scene

[grim prism]

way too muich to recap briefly

[plain ice]

and they want "raid level" gear to also be accessible from m+. that's just a guess though

[lusty grotto]

i want to unsub but BO4 isn't out nor KH3, nor Smash Switch, gdmit first world problems

[ember arrow]

@last hound in legion i got my fair share of shit loot, but i enjoyed it

i enjoyed thegame

the class

the feel

[sick sentinel]

fuck tier sets man, in antorus the best performing encha shaman ( the spec I mained) was running 2/2/2

[ember arrow]

the artifact

i miss NF

[grim prism]

tldr; bad endgame progression design, deliberately shitty community management, more bugs than any expac i can remember

[ember arrow]

in stead replaced by a useless neck that u cant even change in any way

liek artifact appearances

[grim prism]

mostly the first one

[plain ice]

i don't have a problem with them getting rid of tier. i think the problem is that they replaced tier, leggos, and artifact traits with boring azerite traits that don't make you feel engaged

[grim prism]

bad communication and gamebreaking bugs have been regular for quite some time

[ember arrow]

@plain ice removing IS a problem if they dont repalce true

[last hound]

Engaged or overpowered?

[ember arrow]

but its a problem of itself

[plain ice]

t21 2 piece was super fun

[ember arrow]

overpowered?

[grim prism]

@lusty grotto mario party is dope

[ember arrow]

everyone had artifacts

my dude

[lusty grotto]

yeah i've been playing it, got it last friday

[ember arrow]

played prot all exp

[plain ice]

compare that to our shitty azerite trait that gives you str when you block

[sick sentinel]

DC is engaging, problem it is the best one and the only one

[ember arrow]

took less healing than a dps

outdpsed them

now its a shell

[plain ice]

DC is good - pretty similar to our leggo belt, but yes

[last hound]

Let’s be real warriors had it easy in Legion and y’all miss that

[ember arrow]

did u play dk?

[sick sentinel]

imagine if all traits were like DC

[ember arrow]

u did 1 DS

u heal to full

[grim prism]

yeah prot war NH was a cakewalk

[ember arrow]

i member doing world first mythic augor on prot

oh wait

[lusty grotto]

ugh

[ember arrow]

literally no warriro did until after his nerf

but thats not the point

[hot locust]

but exorsus did have a prot for augur >__>

[last hound]

No @ember arrow mained prot warrior in legion

[hot locust]

just not solo tank

[ember arrow]

@last hound was that a question?

[last hound]

No

[ember arrow]

i did yes

it was never top tier

but it was super rewarding

high APM

it was FUN

[last hound]

See. And now you want that back

[ember arrow]

yes

i want to be rewarding and fun

[last hound]

We all do. But no gonna unsub Bc of it

[ember arrow]

well i play because i tank

no tankie tankie - no wow

[last hound]

Lol

[fringe marten]

Done a 10 every week since launch...not ONE piece of azerite in my cache yet. ...WTF blizz.

[grim prism]

my qualms with this game are not limited to my conscious decision to play a suboptimal spec

[ember arrow]

i wasnt even talking about classes in my original complaints

in the first place

[grim prism]

none of us were

[ember arrow]

idk why youre focusing on it quaz

[grim prism]

quaz is just thorwing shit at thewall to see what sticks

[lusty grotto]

right, it's not prot complaints time yet

[last hound]

Def not

[grim prism]

def so based on what i've seen thus far homie

[signal plover]

that's in 2 hours when we go raiding

[last hound]

That’s just what this led to lol

[ember arrow]

deciding what s worth unsubbing for for someone else is also a pointless argument

[grim prism]

you literally told us you didnt even want to scroll up to see what we were talking about

you are contributing nothing to this conversation lol

you arent even trolling

[ember arrow]

Quaz

Just being nosy as to why people want to unsub without scrolling all the way up. My fault

in #protection · Oct 9, 2018, 10:25 PM

[grim prism]

you're just saying words

[last hound]

Words

Copy

[grim prism]

word

[fringe marten]

(?? what did I just walk in the middle of?)

[grim prism]

the usual 8.0 skyhold chjat

lol

[ember arrow]

it was never about loot, or the viability of prot

[sick sentinel]

@fringe marten idk come back in like half an hour 😛

[ember arrow]

i even said in legion we werent top tier

i said it was FUN

[sick sentinel]

when we will be talking about dual wielding shields

[grim prism]

oh fun, you mean OVERPOWERED dont you

😂

[ember arrow]

right

[old night]

Is there a current list of bis items for us. I know the whole "go with ilvl over everything" but is there at least a list of items we should be shooting for? My guild wants me to submit a bis list that includes raid and dungeons

[fringe marten]

LOL...I'm just looking forward to M+ this week, got my rating up to 1168 last week. I'm pushing for 14/1500 this week.

[ember arrow]

i wish i could care enough to do m+

[grim prism]

like damn dawg if a wanted to have a one-sided conversation with someoen trying to put words in my mouth i'd call my mom

[ember arrow]

oof

[sick sentinel]

@old night there is no bis list by any stretch of the imagination

[old night]

yeah that's what I figured

[sick sentinel]

ilvl>overything

[final mist]

There are items that are good and you should try and aim for good ilevels of, but ultimately not really, no.

[fringe marten]

M+ is all that's left that's fun for me..my guild can barely put together a 20 man roster so we can't even push mythic uldir much. and I got a 380 Mchimba's wrappings from cache..might be fun to play with ???

[final mist]

Trinkets basically the only thing you should "aim" for.

[sick sentinel]

wrappings are nice

[old night]

@final mist is there a list of those I can find?

[final mist]

In the pins.

[old night]

thx

[solid mist]

why coudn't they just make the Uldir trinkets not hot garbo?

[fringe marten]

and I got my 370 howler finally last night too...now I just need to bang on AD until I get my 370+ rezan eye, I got a 365 though.

[sick sentinel]

@old night your best trinkets come from M+ ( and mythraxx, KIND OF)

[old night]

I have blockades already

I know howler is up there

[dusk minnow]

Was reading some of the tips on wowhead - how do I prevent this. - "A smaller, but common and preventable mistake is casting Devastate when Shield Slam or Revenge is available. Try not to do this." - feel like sometimes i waste a buncha GCDs cause I hit devastate too much

[old night]

other than trinkets I seriously have no idea what to tell them other than "ilvl, we have no bis"

@dusk minnow i feel the same way

[sick sentinel]

@dusk minnow devastate is the last thing you want to do

[dusk minnow]

@sick sentinel i know that, should i swap my dev and rev keys or something? but then I might waste rage.

[signal plover]

use weak auras

[old night]

never rev on ST

[stark sage]

you can rev on ST

[sick sentinel]

if it procs you should

[dusk minnow]

I mainly dungeon it so

[old night]

wait really?

[signal plover]

if it procs yeah

[old night]

OH yeah

if its free

[stark sage]

revenge does more damage per GCD than devastate

if you are near cap and you have IP up, you should spend rage on revenge

[signal plover]

u can also dump with it if ur not tanking

or the incoming dmg is super low

[old night]

so single target rage dump IP into revenge?

even if it's off proc?

[signal plover]

depends imo

[sick sentinel]

esp when you are not tanking

[zinc mauve]

if you're not tanking just rage dump into revenge

[stark sage]

dont starve yourself with it

[old night]

oh yeah

[stark sage]

basically spending rage on revenge should almost never happen, but it does happen

on ST

[still sundial]

situational for sure, but can be useful as an ST dump if you use the az talent that reduces dmg taken from mobs hit with revenge

[stark sage]

depends on how much damage you are taking

[old night]

so what differentiates rage dumping IP vs dumping into Rev

[still sundial]

and that^^

[stark sage]

dumping IP is better to survive, dumping into rev is better for dps

[old night]

so like pre Mother when I'm off tank I rage dump into IP to soften the blow of the damage from crossing over

but taloc off tank rage dump into rev? before enlarged heart

[sick sentinel]

you cap IP and then revenge

[stark sage]

you should always dump into IP if you arent at cap

[old night]

what IP dump should I shoot for? 90?

[sick sentinel]

or use IP once because it caps at 1.30x

[still sundial]

yeah, always IP

[old night]

sorry for the basic af questions

[dusk minnow]

if IP is capped, and about to fall off, worth refreshing over revenge ( i mainly do dungeons)

[old night]

i feel like I still slip up on fundamentals of this rotation this expac

[zinc mauve]

if you arent expecting to take damage, dumping into IP seems like a waste of rage, unless you dont want to waste a gcd using up a free revenge

[sick sentinel]

if you are tanking and you are devastating more than like 7 times a minute something is wrong

[stark sage]

@old night no problem, the basics of rage management is that rage is used for 3 things. block, IP and revenge. block is your best defensive tool and should be used as effectively as possible, IP is going to keep your health steady and make your healer's lives easy. revenge is just last in priority once you are in a situation where your IP is capped and your block is up/ not tanking

[sick sentinel]

or you are unlucky with resets

[zinc mauve]

you'd have to be super unlucky

[old night]

@stark sage thanks man ❤

[zinc mauve]

if you're not on fetid, you could always just intercept to get rage too

[old night]

so revenge is okay to cast non proc if I have IP up and capped, and I need to rage dump and its not close to cooldown

[zinc mauve]

dont try that on fetid cause thats really easy to kill someone

or ylurself

[old night]

do you all rage dump around 90 rage into IP?

[stark sage]

i just hit IP whenever its not at cap

and slam/TC are on CD

[sick sentinel]

IP tracker is your best friend

[zinc mauve]

filmstrip do you have a weakaura for tracking IP?

[old night]

Ya

I use khakhans

[zinc mauve]

i do as well but i also have another tracker

[old night]

https://wago.io/ProtectionWarrior_Khakhan

[zinc mauve]

my hud is gross cause i have shit eyes but ill show you

[old night]

so I know I just asked this but where does non-proc rev fit in? IP cap but need to rage dump?

or if off-tank?

[zinc mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/KvLkGtK.png

see i have two trackers

[old night]

oh thats nice af

[zinc mauve]

its redundant i know but it helps me

[old night]

im assuming thats in the pins?

[zinc mauve]

yep

get the block tracker too

they're SUPER helpful

[old night]

whats the diff between khakhans and the IP tracker?

I thought his also tracked cap

[zinc mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/qHbghLU.png they both do

the only difference is that i put mine around where my eyes are usually going to be

my hud is massive because i have poor eyesight

[old night]

I see

[zinc mauve]

so my entire hud is disgusting to look at for the average person

[old night]

the way IP works this expac is its cap is 1.3x the initial cast right?

[zinc mauve]

yep

[old night]

so what rage do you shoot for for that cast?

[zinc mauve]

it really depends on the situation

[old night]

90-95?

[zinc mauve]

if you're that close to the cap you use SB or IP if you're tanking

SB is generally better unless you are saving it for something specific or if the damage is magic

plus SB doesnt take up a GCD

[old night]

Yeah I usually try to have one being used

and one on deck in case of a mechanic

I never double stack

but I heard double stack is okay, and double stack is bad on here so :/

[zinc mauve]

ip and sB at the time time?

[thorn fiber]

I'm thinking on getting to my which was protection warrior. Stopped a tanking in legion. Is t as bad the rumor mill is or overinflated bad news.

[sick sentinel]

sometimes you need to double stack

[old night]

@zinc mauve yeah

[zinc mauve]

it burns a ton of rage but it also soaks up a ton of damage

only do that if you absolutely NEED it immediately

[old night]

do we avoid stacking IP and SB?

[zinc mauve]

if you can wait to use last stand and benefit from the hp, then go for it

nope

if you need it, use it

but dont use it if you dont need it

you'll learn that as you play more

[sick sentinel]

never cap rage for any reason whatsoever

[zinc mauve]

^ wasted rage is wasted dps

unless you have a very good reason to stay at rage cap for longer than a few gcds

[sick sentinel]

not wrong but not right either

wasted rage is wasted CD reduction to your big CDs

[stark sage]

you might not have a choice with rage, if there is enough enemies hitting you it can become impossible to spend it

[zinc mauve]

but you could also be pooling for lust/battle potion

[mighty gulch]

Just tanked g'huun for the first time

Surprisingly easy

[old night]

ugh, this roto is killing me this expac. it clicked so quick in legion

im still trying to get used to it

[mighty gulch]

Whats a roto?

[old night]

rotation*

[stark sage]

variable cost on IP and it being off the GCD was very nice in terms of flow

[sick sentinel]

isn't there a maximum Rage per Sec you can get by getting hit

[zinc mauve]

i dont think so

[mighty gulch]

they removed that

You dont get rage from being hit anymore

[zinc mauve]

your maximum rage per second is whatever your health pool is

[sick sentinel]

@old night 3SB->LS->3SB

[zinc mauve]

oh you dont?

[tall wadi]

IP on gcd is fine, feeling like you have no way to spend your rage is not

[stark sage]

you do, it used to be based on damage taken, now its a flat rate per melee attack

[old night]

so with that thinking @zinc mauve whats the thought process on having two shield blocks up if you don't need it?

is the idea of having one on deck bad thinking?

I usually throw one up when one sb is coming off CD

and I'll rage dump into IP

so I usually have a SB and an IP going

[zinc mauve]

oh never have two SBs up

thats stupid

[mighty gulch]

Also the rage gained per melee attack is reduced on daggers

[old night]

yeah thats what I figured

[zinc mauve]

i meant stacking SB and IP together

[mighty gulch]

you will gain 2 rage per second while attacking

[stark sage]

you cant have 2 blocks up, hitting two back to back just doubles the duration

[zinc mauve]

i didnt know that

[stark sage]

the rage gained from your swings is scaled to weapon speed afaik

[zinc mauve]

just checked it too, the more you know eh

[fair root]

you can have bolster and sb up though, that wont stack, 2 sb will just give more time to sb

[sick sentinel]

not double stacking SB is basically min-maxing if you are struggling with rotation then do it

[tall wadi]

the only way to "missfire" a SB is pressing it while bolster

[sick sentinel]

^^

[old night]

hmmm

[zinc mauve]

i stand corrected then

[stark sage]

or using it in a situation that wastes its potential

[mighty gulch]

I dont stack sb because i save it for abilties that need to be sb'd

[tall wadi]

@stark sage of course

[old night]

^^

[zinc mauve]

i was not aware that SB stacked with itself in terms of length

[mighty gulch]

What i do is I passivly use one for auto attack and keep another spare for a boss ability that needs to be blocked

[stark sage]

you should check the boss's mechanics to see what needs to be blocked, and aim to block 100% of those attacks, any extra blocks on that you can use for auto attacks

[mighty gulch]

Idk if thats correct

but it seems like the logical thing to do

[old night]

@mighty gulch thats exactly what I do

[zinc mauve]

if you arent dying and not sacrificing DPS, then you're doing it right

[sick sentinel]

@mighty gulch you should be blocking 100% of the time tbh

[zinc mauve]

as long as you arent putting extra strain on the healer

[mighty gulch]

100% uptime on block is impossible though

and wasting 2 stacks of block on auto attacks and dying to a boss ability is dumb

so i disagree

[stark sage]

you wont reach 100% uptime on block, but you can block 100% of boss mechanics that are affected by block

[mighty gulch]

^

[stark sage]

which is how you should play it

[zinc mauve]

i save a block for Zekvoz always

[sick sentinel]

that's knowledge of boss mechanics though

[zinc mauve]

its too much damage to not block

[old night]

Shatter right?

[zinc mauve]

yep

[old night]

That's what I do

[oblique garnet]

12s recharge in uldir :p

[stark sage]

and being a prot warrior requires you to have knowledge of boss mechanics, which is why prot is considered hard to play and has a bad community perception

[zinc mauve]

and if you fuck up you have no recourse besides kiting

and you cant exactly kite a boss

[mighty gulch]

I just did g'huun. I used one charge of shield block for the auto attack on dark young, saving the other for Massive Smash.

During the g'huun phase i had SB and double stacked and let it recharge while other tank had aggro

To run out with debuff

[sick sentinel]

just never cap 2 charges

and you are good

[mighty gulch]

Correct?

[sick sentinel]

you use spell reflection

no debuff

[mighty gulch]

yes

I use spell reflection on corruption

[tall wadi]

what is the timer for explosive corruption

can you reflect every single one?

[sick sentinel]

less balls and less shit on the floor is better

[mighty gulch]

Felt like every 15 seconds

[fair root]

you would only spell reflect every 2nd one tho yea?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[mighty gulch]

I did the first one during blood feast

[sick sentinel]

but we are running double prot so we can on paper spell reflect all of them

[mighty gulch]

oh thats awesome

[tall wadi]

double prot Poggers

safeguarding each other like true bros?

[sick sentinel]

miss me with that gay shit LOL

[mighty gulch]

Whats the point of safeguarding eachother?

It just goes to you and doesn't reduce the damage

[sick sentinel]

also this ^^

[fair root]

while one tanks you take 30% of the damage

[mighty gulch]

Oh right

So while one has aggro

[sick sentinel]

new PTR build, engage prot hype engine

[mighty gulch]

You take the damage

got it

[dark junco]

Anything on the ptr build?

[sick sentinel]

on what boss exactly would you do that

[oblique garnet]

No boss

[sick sentinel]

exactly

it should be this build @dark junco otherwise you wont see 8.1 until next month

[oblique garnet]

You dont do that

[fair root]

I do it on mythic taloc.

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah taloc lul

[sick sentinel]

because you are running bounding stranding for boss mechanics

[mighty gulch]

Can i have a quick tldr on vectis fetish and zul

[zinc mauve]

@dark junco gotta wait till servers are up till we see

[sick sentinel]

@mighty gulch HC?

[zinc mauve]

fetish devourer

[mighty gulch]

hm

[zinc mauve]

truly the most deadly uldir boss

[oblique garnet]

Tank n spank

[zinc mauve]

how big is your raid?

[mighty gulch]

its my first time in uldir lol

And uh 20 ppl

[dark junco]

Kk

[oblique garnet]

Normal?

[mighty gulch]

yes

[oblique garnet]

Or hc

[mighty gulch]

normal

[sick sentinel]

Vectis you tank swap @ 2 stacks

[mighty gulch]

kk

and avoid stuff

[oblique garnet]

Fetid you stand close to the boss unless youre MT

[zinc mauve]

if you have a confident Blood DK, they can get away with taking 3 stacks pretty handedly

[oblique garnet]

Soak thrases

[mighty gulch]

Block terrible thrash?

[oblique garnet]

Every 5 sec?

[sick sentinel]

fetid you try to have active mitigation 100% of the time ( you can do that because he casts shit so you let your block recharge)

[oblique garnet]

Yea

[zinc mauve]

block it or use IP

[sick sentinel]

both

[mighty gulch]

Got it

What about vectis and zul/

[zinc mauve]

ideally both yes, but IP is sufficient as long as you get the healing

[solid mist]

For Uldir what are some places I should be using Spell Reflect. neglected button

[sick sentinel]

I told you about vectis

[mighty gulch]

o

[solid mist]

obviously for the sheer from mythrax and teh sweet sweet tentacles from zek

[dark junco]

And demo + IP for when LS and SB are doen

[sick sentinel]

@solid mist

[oblique garnet]

Vectis taunt on 2 debuffs and also when you have the boss taunt the add

[mighty gulch]

yeah saw it

is that it?

[dark junco]

Like 1x per 38 secs or so

Yeah well dbm does 95% of the job telling you what to do

[oblique garnet]

Zul basically is just a dps check

[dark junco]

^

Ask for BoP when you’re out of the group, but stay in and heroic leap at like 3 secs

Drop debuff outta group on zul

[sick sentinel]

dude the first thrash that I take without downtime up is at like 2 mins or some shit

[mighty gulch]

we dont have paladins

[sick sentinel]

that is if I fuck up, you can go on for longer

[oblique garnet]

Taunt on 3-4 stacks on zul go where your raid is wait for the debuff to hit 3 leap away and repeat

[dark junco]

Then stay in till 2 sec and leap outta group

[sick sentinel]

on zul you should spam IP with all your power to help your healers a bit

[dark junco]

^

[oblique garnet]

On fetid you can lust on pull get it to 50% and ignore all the adds and just nuke it

[dark junco]

Make sure you stay in group to get heals on zul, its gonna wreck your face

[oblique garnet]

The fight takes little over a minute if done that way

[dark junco]

Keep your cds for that

[severe zinc]

if I log a dungeon run can I see how much dmg I'm doing with spell reflect

[brisk flax]

So for these bleeds in Ataldazar what is the best way to deal with them? Just kite?

i have been trying different things to make it easier to deal with

so far i have found just bringing a DK is the best way lol

[void sandal]

Think of it as an innate bolstering mechanic. It's a speed bump for pulling

[sick sentinel]

take 1 stack, give 1 stack to dps then take the next one

[brisk flax]

how do you force that?

[sick sentinel]

leap away

[brisk flax]

is it proximity?

ah

that makes sense

[sick sentinel]

or charge a range

[brisk flax]

and for pack in front of boss i guess invis pot lol

[dark junco]

Yeah just don’t take 2 stacks

[brisk flax]

or pull to side die and have healer rez me?

[sick sentinel]

or you can stun the zerker when your bleed is 2 sec duration

CC

if you have a priest in your group he can spam cast shackle undead lol

[dark junco]

Shaakle 1

[brisk flax]

last run i just skipped that pack on a +9

made it way easier

[sick sentinel]

yeah just parry 1 stack, easy

[brisk flax]

we had a rogue though

so we shroud through

then

on way out i pulled mobs to the side and let group run to the other side

died

and then they rez me

[old night]

thanks again for all the help @sick sentinel @zinc mauve and @stark sage

should definitely be a big help on my rotation and cast priority

[sick sentinel]

@old night if you need any more help feel free dude'

[old night]

❤

[fair root]

I just bring a dk with me and have him take one as a pet and kill one at a time.

[sick sentinel]

there is always option 3

don't do the dungeon 😄

[oblique garnet]

Oh right its teeming week

[sick sentinel]

I wanna do temple and shrine for score

but I do not wanna do them because they're shit

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twilights-hammer/Kage#season=season-bfa-1

like, I delete my shrine keys

[cinder nova]

PROT

CHANGES

WHEN

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[sick sentinel]

INB4 Another 5% buff on vanguard🤔

[velvet axle]

hundo placenta ree

[junior ivy]

i need to do tol dagor for score

[sick sentinel]

cat what's your io?

[junior ivy]

uhm

https://raider.io/characters/us/sargeras/Kats

705

[mighty gulch]

Isn't temple extremely warrior unfriendly?

and shrine

I'm looking at this ability cheese from the pins. you can't mitigate ANYTHING

[sick sentinel]

exactly the reason I do not do them

@junior ivy I would spam tol dagor for a trinket upgrade

[junior ivy]

i have TD +15 right now

[sick sentinel]

if I were you

[junior ivy]

gonna do it on +12 maybe

[mighty gulch]

I have a TD 2

lmao

I've never tanked a TD once though

[junior ivy]

last boss sucks on tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

cat

[junior ivy]

yeah?

[sick sentinel]

WHAT IS THIS

[junior ivy]

dont judge me

[sick sentinel]

4 hours and 14 minutes

[junior ivy]

it was the first week of the expac

[mighty gulch]

on a keystone in tol'dagor is it worth having the rogue unlock everything?

[junior ivy]

stop your judging

[zinc mauve]

ToS isn't too bad for warriors

[sick sentinel]

@mighty gulch first room for the buffs only

[zinc mauve]

Shrine is kinda bad but its still doable

[mighty gulch]

Buffs?

[zinc mauve]

King's rest fuckin blows on fortified

[sick sentinel]

the mobs buff you

[mighty gulch]

Which ones?

[zinc mauve]

okay so

whats your profession?

ingame

[sick sentinel]

the ones that shout help

[zinc mauve]

fuck that

get every mob

basically on the first floor with all the prison cells, inside the prison cells are non-hostile npcs

not neutral

if you unlock their cell, they will come out and buff you

[mighty gulch]

Oh those

[zinc mauve]

the buff is permanent and persists through death for the whole dungeon

you should absolutely them if you can; it makes the dungeon so much easier

[mighty gulch]

so the friendly horde npcs?

get the rogue to unlock for buff

[sick sentinel]

I just pull as little as possible to get wisdom

[zinc mauve]

you can get a rogue to do it or you can do it yourself if your profession permits it

[sick sentinel]

that's all you need

[mighty gulch]

i have a rogue friend

[zinc mauve]

then you're golden

more buffs makes it easier but just figure out which ones you want

because they stack with all your other buffs

[sick sentinel]

double fortitude, double battle shout, double intellect AND WISDOM ON THE HEALER

they are really powerful

[mighty gulch]

Alright im gonna make a group and pray i dont fuckup

Relying on pugs is great xD

[junior ivy]

good luck !!

sparky are you alliance

[mighty gulch]

Horde. US.

Though I'm in the EU

[junior ivy]

ah i was gonna offer to dps for you if you wanted

im alliance NA though

[sick sentinel]

why are you playing on US if you live in the EU?

[velvet axle]

I had a +4 atal yazma fight with this group, best dps was 6.1k, mage was doing 3.5k (I ST out dps'ed them), the floor was covered with purple from spiders getting smacked

Blamed me and my positioning (where was I gonna go? lmao)

so yeah, gg pugs

[mighty gulch]

Long distance relationship ^^

[sick sentinel]

@velvet axle check their score before inviting

[mighty gulch]

i get 100 ms so no biggie

[velvet axle]

wasn't my group =\

[supple path]

The worse people are the more likely they are to blame others for their mistakes - part of why they're bad.

[sick sentinel]

check them after joining :/

[junior ivy]

i pugged underrot 10 earlier. it was kinda bad

im surprised i even got invited as warrior tank

[mighty gulch]

Tbh i blame myself for too much stuff

[sick sentinel]

@mighty gulch makes sense

same

[supple path]

Yeah, step 1 is always, "Ugh, could I have done anything to stop that?" because that's how improving is done.

[junior ivy]

^^ i basically take blame for every single thing that goes wrong

lol

[mighty gulch]

Normally step one is for me: "You fucking dumbass why did you not do that" Talking to myself

[velvet axle]

check yourself first, others when that yields nothing

[junior ivy]

healer stood in bad? "SORRY I BET THAT WAS MY FAULT ILL DO BETTER 😦 "

[zinc mauve]

its true its always our fault

[supple path]

There have legitimately been points where I wondered, "Is this on me for not having a macro screaming 'THAT'S BAD FIRE MOVE OUT OF THAT STUFF'"

[zinc mauve]

if we werent there they'd still be waiting for a tank

[junior ivy]

it gets on my nerves when other players refuse to take responsibility for mistakes

so i awlays try to not be like that

[sick sentinel]

oh my god I have /y macros

for people to move out of stuff

[zinc mauve]

i have a macro that says 'PLEASE INTERRUPT OR ELSE ILL DIE'

[junior ivy]

i have a "/s please taunt" macro for raid pugs.. thats it thoguh lol

[neon tangle]

@junior ivy should have taken safeguard

[mighty gulch]

i had to spam the tank to taunt on mythrax

[sick sentinel]

my fav macro was the one I made during HC zul progression

/y BOP ME
/s BOP ME
/raid BOP ME

[junior ivy]

hahaha

thank god for bop on that fight..

[sick sentinel]

we ended up doing without bop lol

ignore pain the fuck out of it

first tank gets bop from the healer

second bop is from the ret and he always forgot

[junior ivy]

i always end up taking zul first during p2

so i alwauys get bopped

[plain ice]

how close are iron fortress and brace for impact? i should take a 370 iron fortress over a 355 brace for impact, ya?

other pieces are 355 DC and a 370 iron fortress

[sick sentinel]

Bfi>IF but never drop ilvls

[junior ivy]

thats 15 ilvls, take thre high ilvl

[sick sentinel]

The only trait tou drop ilvl is deafening crash, and that is if you do not have it elsewhere

[junior ivy]

i had to drop 40 ilvls for it.

😦

[sick sentinel]

PvP

[junior ivy]

im gonna

[sick sentinel]

You can also hope for azerite emissary

[zinc mauve]

what ilvl are you guys?

[sick sentinel]

374 prot, 373 fury

[zinc mauve]

damn

i thought i was high with 369

[sick sentinel]

You're good man

[junior ivy]

im noly 366 prot, im 373 in bags though

im 373 fury

only*

[sweet kettle]

Your ilvl will suck depending on azerite and trinkets

[sick sentinel]

True

[mighty gulch]

i just solod the sand queen from 45% on mythic+2

because my whole group died

[sick sentinel]

Cat for example has 340 shoulders for dc and 340 jes

[junior ivy]

yes sadly 😦

[sick sentinel]

@mighty gulch you run azerite veins?

[junior ivy]

i cant wai for my tol dagor key

i am gonna put together the best group

with best classes

so far i got. me. and a monk.

[sick sentinel]

Get a rogue and a frost mage

[ember arrow]

@mighty gulch what a waste of time

[junior ivy]

ithe monk is not a healer

the monk is tank or dps. and i can tank or dps

[ember arrow]

instead of respawning and killing it with 5 man

[junior ivy]

i do have access to a rogue

[mighty gulch]

it would of been faster doing it solo

[junior ivy]

i dunno about a mage

[mighty gulch]

the dps are really bad

[ember arrow]

doubt it

unless 3 dps do less dmg than you alone

[mighty gulch]

from 45?%

[ember arrow]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Include travel time

[mighty gulch]

^^

[sick sentinel]

OH WAIT

TYRANNICAL SAND QUEEN

[junior ivy]

so for my tol dagor 12, lets say i got windwalker monk, rogue, warrior tank

what should my other dps be

and my healer

[ember arrow]

other tank

[junior ivy]

iwanna chest it

[ember arrow]

kappa

[junior ivy]

the monk can tank

and i could dps as fury

[ember arrow]

no dont take me seriously

reeeeeeeeeee

[sick sentinel]

Monk heal frost mage?

[junior ivy]

oh lol

[supple path]

Helya has taught me not to make the mistake of wiping because it'll be faster with 3 dps...because the dps will just die next pull too.

[oblique garnet]

Tol dagor on teeming tyrannical and volcanic?

[junior ivy]

i dont have access to a mage

[ember arrow]

i stopped wow so dont ask me

[junior ivy]

i can get a rogue

[ember arrow]

haHAA

[sick sentinel]

@supple path correct

[junior ivy]

actually maybe i could get a mage

[sick sentinel]

Get a bm Hunter if you can't get a mage

[junior ivy]

i dont think i can get a hunter

[oblique garnet]

Get a priest imo

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I forgot it is tyrannical

[junior ivy]

priest healer?

or dps

[oblique garnet]

Healer

[sick sentinel]

Disc>MWmonk

[junior ivy]

i do know a good priest healer

he is also a gnome

[oblique garnet]

Oh youre alliance

[junior ivy]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

If you have gear with laser matrix dont use it in tol dagor

Shit pulls through the walls still

[sick sentinel]

Alliance 🤢
Gnomes tho 👌

[ember arrow]

laser matrix is specifically coded to not pull

it does damage but doesnt pull

i engaged mobs at 99%

[steel mauve]

unless they changed it, it still does

[oblique garnet]

^

In ring of booty in FH it pulls the mobs that are attacking the training dummy

[sick sentinel]

@junior ivy if you can't find a mage or a hunter get a lock

[junior ivy]

kk

[sick sentinel]

Affli is amazing on all of the bosses in tol dagor tbh

[oblique garnet]

True

[sick sentinel]

Do you know the barrel strat on 3rd boss?

[junior ivy]

no

i dunno any strats ever

[sick sentinel]

We 4manned that motherfucker like second week on +11 tyrannical with it

You basically explode all the barrels on one side

And explode them TOGETHER

Then the room is free and you can dps freely

You can intercept an ally when holding a barrel

So instead of moving barrels out, you move them in

[oblique garnet]

I mean thats the basic strat on how to do the boss?😅

[sick sentinel]

People move stuff OUT of the fire

As I have seen

Im staying to move stuff in the fire

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah if you do that it might leave you no room so its safer to explode them all in one corner

[tranquil kraken]

Is there any point where an ilvl upgrade is worth outright losing DC entirely? 340DC shoulders, just got 370 shoulders but no DC.

[fierce juniper]

Nothing that's attainable right now.

[mighty gulch]

Just failed a +2 key bc ppl cant move barrels

[ember arrow]

[junior ivy]

aw sorry sparky

[mighty gulch]

im having o move them myself

we fianlly killed her lmao

[plain vapor]

m+ was kind to me this week

got a 380 shield

[last hound]

385 disc myself

[oblique garnet]

6.5hours still i see what kind of dissapointment i get

[mighty gulch]

so im doing korgus right now

and my whole party died to stuns and aoe

[last hound]

yikes😞

[oblique garnet]

Never pug without checking raiderio

[mighty gulch]

It's just a +2..

fuck me sideways

everyone died again

but i manged to solo it

[ember arrow]

why stay

waste time

[mighty gulch]

it was the last boss

And i don't rage quit

[ember arrow]

not rage quit

"i dont like to waste time" quit

[mighty gulch]

Eh.

Killing the last boss is faster than making a new group

Plus my friend got a titanforged trinket so it was worth

got a kings rest+2 now

[upbeat folio]

I have still not done KR.

I refuse.

[oblique garnet]

Why?

[upbeat folio]

Mostly because I'm stubborn. I'm sure it's not so bad.

[mighty gulch]

It's the worst.

The bleeds, the shoots.

The first boss sucks if your dps suck

[limber tulip]

first boss is just CC tho

[ember arrow]

first boss u dont need attack adds at all?

[mighty gulch]

Normally my dps cant kill the boss before the adds get to the boss

[limber tulip]

just cc and ignore

[mighty gulch]

You try getting pugs to cc

[ember arrow]

thats too much to ask

[limber tulip]

oh pugs

loooool

[mighty gulch]

The tactic i use to kill the first boss is: Switch to my frost mage, carry the dps, switch back to warrior for the rest of the dungeon

[limber tulip]

tbh

isnt that what everybody in here does

haha

[mighty gulch]

pugs?

Or the thing i just said

[ember arrow]

toxic?

@limber tulip

[limber tulip]

yes

[ember arrow]

skyhold does not tolerate toxic talk

we never do that here

[mighty gulch]

Not never.

[ember arrow]

@mighty gulch also what do you mean you switch to frostmage then warrior

[mighty gulch]

I have someone tank the boss (because its the easiest boss to tank and you just kite)

I cc the adds and nuke boss

Then switch back to warrior and kill boss

[ember arrow]

u can swap characters in m+?

[mighty gulch]

I mean*

Not m+

just regular m

[ember arrow]

oh

[mighty gulch]

Lmao

[ember arrow]

u mean

pugs cant handle m0 yet?

[sweet kettle]

Man who cares about normal mythic

[mighty gulch]

Nope

Im still gearing up bugasta

[sweet kettle]

Yes but still

[ember arrow]

how horrible are the pugs

i did m0s at 300 without having to reseort

to that

[sweet kettle]

With warfronts and stuff you shouldn't even need to do mythic zero

[mighty gulch]

i had to do m0 to get into warfronts

its a 320 minimum ilvl

Once i got warfronts sorted i got a few pieces of gear but mostly still in blues/greens

[cerulean crystal]

Fathoms Deck or a 370 Lions Strength + Socket?

[mighty gulch]

Doesn't that have the onuse effect of 1400 crit?

[cerulean crystal]

yep

[mighty gulch]

Whats your other trinket

[cerulean crystal]

370 Syringe

[cloud bone]

should I take a 380 mastery crit ring over 370 vers haste ring if it makes the uldir buff mastery instead of haste?

[ember crest]

did they do something to our damage today? ive noticed im doing way less damage than i was last week, specifically on TC

[fierce juniper]

@cloud bone Probably not, but when it comes to choices like that the difference is gonna be so small that it doesn't really matter.

[junior ivy]

😭 😭 im doing mythic taloc 😭

i am so scared

[hot locust]

You'll be fiiiine. 😉

[junior ivy]

we are doing a new strat 😭

i have a much more difficult job now

[fickle geyser]

theres strats on taloc?

[fierce juniper]

@junior ivy what are you doing differently

[junior ivy]

tank swapping boss

[fierce juniper]

oh

just have SR + another CD up and you'll be fine

for the soak

[junior ivy]

also during elevator both tanks are standing in center

and being healed through blood damage

i've enver done that

[fierce juniper]

uhh

that doesn't seem worth

[ember crest]

thats weird

[junior ivy]

oh.. they seem confident..

[fierce juniper]

just go soak them as needed

whelp

gl

lol

[junior ivy]

hahaha.. im gonna try it..

thanks lol

[ember crest]

do any of you pull Zek to caster adds after cleaves to help dps in mythic?

to help with the donuts etc so people can still kill casters?

[fierce juniper]

yes

you should always pull the boss on top of the adds if possible

no reason not to

[ember crest]

i do for one at front of room, but in heroic, the back of room adds died fast enough

do you move it to each one on CC break?

[fierce juniper]

if the tank combo isn't about to go off, yes

or after the tank combo if it's currently happening

[ember crest]

rgr, ty for the heads up

[junior ivy]

well we wiped. but they changed their mind about standing in the blood at an inconvenient time lol

while we were in the blood and i used all my cds to not die

[next ermine]

Ya no clue why'd you'd want to stand in the blood for the whole ride...

[junior ivy]

but i do understand the boss tanking mechanics now i think

i think i will be able to do this

[next ermine]

All you do is taunt swap on the debuff

[junior ivy]

we did it!

[cloud bone]

grats!

[junior ivy]

thanks 😄

omg now we are doing mother

ive never done mother mythic

[fickle geyser]

its same fight as in heroic

[junior ivy]

i dps it on heroic

cause we only use onetank

do you need 2 tanks on mythic?

[smoky oak]

yes

[fickle geyser]

do u really tho?

[junior ivy]

so whats my job

[smoky oak]

yes

depends

are you tanking the boss or are you going over in the first grp

[oblique garnet]

Dont you just all cross at the same time on mythic

[fickle geyser]

we have 2 tanks but we just aoe adds and bop top aoe dpses

[smoky oak]

not neccesarily

[fickle geyser]

adds die during stuns almost every time

[junior ivy]

im doing whatever job is easier generally

on heroic back wehnw e were new to it

id go in first

i never tanekd boss

tanked

never in my life

[smoky oak]

if you tank the boss

dodge the slam

thats it

[junior ivy]

ill be goin in next room

what d oi d othere

[fickle geyser]

try to keep aggro on adds

[junior ivy]

oh god that is not my forte

[oblique garnet]

Cc the adds when they are casting

And kill em

Or interrupt rather

[junior ivy]

k im scared

[fickle geyser]

adds die in 2-3globals

just tclap and hope

[outer dew]

disgusting

[fickle geyser]

that clip 😮

[ember crest]

gross

make it sstop

[fickle geyser]

literally unplayable

[oblique garnet]

Oh god why

[ember crest]

best shield

[barren jewel]

how do u need 2 tanks on mothger mythic lol

[ember crest]

adds on room xfer

unless you have real nice dps and stuns

[barren jewel]

depends on ur strat i gues , tru

my raid crosses all at once

[junior ivy]

the adds meleed m e to death

[oblique garnet]

Cat did you guys already kill ghuun hc?

[junior ivy]

yeah

twice

or maybe 3 times

[oblique garnet]

aightd

You should try getting everyone across at the same time

[junior ivy]

we hit enrage at 12%

omn mother

on*

this time, im dpsing the boss

i think itll help

nmthey wont let me

😄

[ember crest]

gz

[junior ivy]

thanks

[prisma crane]

does SW and SR shit work on enlarged heart for Taloc? it should but really feels like it doesnt

[amber siren]

It's physical damage isn't it

Oh it's shadow

Weird

Yeah it should work then

[raven kernel]

Yes

Demo sr ip

Usually enough

Sw if your raid are assholes

[primal crypt]

I need help friends 😦 I don't know which combo to go with LUL....

I guess I should use the 355 DC with the 370 head?

[junior ivy]

whatsa good ilvl

to get into +11s

as prot

[amber siren]

Like 350

[primal crypt]

You should be in 11 right now

Np

[fierce juniper]

@primal crypt 385 shoulders + 340 head

imo

[primal crypt]

Yeah, it would keep me at DC, BFI x2

If i went that route

Thanks @fierce juniper

[fierce juniper]

np

[junior ivy]

i guess i mean is 375 good enough to get invited to +10s and +11s if my .io isnt so great

[amber siren]

Yeah gear-wise

I mean who knows with pugs though

[oblique garnet]

Gear wise 360 is enough if its not a pug

[junior ivy]

i mean for pugs though

[round vortex]

Just form your own group @junior ivy a benefit of having an ilvl that high is you can set the ilvl of the group at say 370. Then the gear of the group would just carry the team

[junior ivy]

yeah true

[oblique garnet]

Dont trust the ilvl

Check their rio score

[round vortex]

Well you will get applicants like 377 and shit just take them

Shitty players won't have that high of an ilvl (if they do they are the rarity)

[junior ivy]

i go by both ilvl and io

[oblique garnet]

There are alot of casual players who are buying boost to get the gear

[kind ivy]

Anyone know if Retaliatory Fury is any good for tanking, got a +5 ilvl helm and I want to see if its better/worse than Iron Fortress and it doesn't seem to be listed on Icy Veins and I don't know if its because its so terrible that they don't list it or its just new

[round vortex]

yeah there won't be many of them over 375 though

[oblique garnet]

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