xD
#protection
untold thunder
quiet kettle
now see, u gave us the info to give u accurate advice
zinc mauve
if you dont have a piece with DC on it, you should be spamming runs until you get it
quiet kettle
if u had said initially, hey im replacing a 300 with this 370 with these traits
what trait do i take
u would've had ur answer in seconds
shut rapids
Stop pretending please it's not even fun anymore
zinc mauve
no use arguing
quiet kettle
what are we pretending about?
zinc mauve
we need to complain about how heroic leap doesnt have charges
fathom marten
Wtf do you mean by pretending
quiet kettle
honest question, im confused there
obtuse venture
i dont even know what you lot are arguing about lol
shut rapids
Auura is trolling me
junior igloo
@quiet kettle
The question was quite clear and equivalent with your suggestion.
fathom marten
Some guy arguing over DC vs ilvl but didnt say that it's a 70 ilvl increase
steady dock
@zinc mauve I'd like the leggy pants from legion more than 2 charges of leap tbh :/
shut rapids
A person who made it to a class discord and is able to turn on the pc can't be of that intelligence
steady dock
But then again, perhaps I'm just bad ๐
quiet kettle
i gave u an answer based on the information u had given us
zinc mauve
the problem with leap is that its just mobility
shut rapids
You gave me "read the pins" until I asked the second time, my dude
zinc mauve
while the increased charges would be nice, its just that, mobility
shut rapids
My fam, my pal, my fella
fathom marten
Wtf
quiet kettle
ohyou, read the pins is a common answer here
fathom marten
Oh come on we are really coming to the point of complaint about leap
Nothing is wrong with leap
quiet kettle
cause we arent a 'hold-your-hand' discord
fathom marten
Come on now
fathom marten
Oh lol
obtuse venture
i'd give up leap for some sort of grip/typhoon type displacement
i'm fucking dreading sanguine
steady dock
Warpath or whatever it was called (stun after leap) feels great outdoors
fathom marten
We had it in legion. The stun when you ...wait was it leap or charge?
stone crag
warbringer stunned on charge
steady dock
Warpath aoe stuns 3s on leap
fathom marten
Ahh yeah
stone crag
then there's a pvp talent that stuns on TC
amber siren
Warbringer stun off DR pepehands
quiet kettle
thunderstruck art
fathom marten
Okay I'll ask my orginal question again
obtuse venture
they should change ravager to suck enemies in. might make it more competitive.
stone crag
that alone definitely wouldn't
steady dock
Shush you
quiet kettle
he's not wrong thou
steady dock
Don't tell them, they'll take it away from us
zinc mauve
if they do then we'll literally be worse than guardian druids
stone crag
i mean, AM has been insanely strong since at least NH
fathom marten
Does prot pally really bad on heroic fetid? My off tank is one and even when we switched positions(him tanking thrashes one pull and versa) he was like literally taking double damage then me the whole time.
junior igloo
Implying that we are better than druids ๐
stone crag
sounds more like improper play
steady dock
@fathom marten Ours is doing pretty okay
stone crag
paladin can immune thrashes quite easily
quiet kettle
prot pallies are even more proactive than prot warrs atm
zinc mauve
@fathom marten i personally offtank as a prot warrior on fetid. I find it much easier to handle as does the paladin. Warrior has amazing mitigation for those single spike hits
steady dock
They did a DK/Pally (for thrash)
quiet kettle
they're ultra squishy outside of mits
steady dock
ez pz
fathom marten
Yeah once we replaced him with a bdk we downed fetid
zinc mauve
my guild has also done a DK as the MT instead of a prot pally to equal effect
oblique garnet
Our dh is taking the thrashes its gone well while im tanking the boss
quiet kettle
pally is super easy to fuck up
fathom marten
But the dtps on my details during. Was insane. He was take like 18dtps while I was av around 9
quiet kettle
prot warr u can atleast make a good comeback if u derped
stone crag
what
fathom marten
Hmmm okay
stone crag
warr has less recoverability than paladin does
fathom marten
I'll have to look at his logs
stone crag
reason why warr is more punishing than paladin
fathom marten
Idk prot pally well though
zinc mauve
as long as you spam IP you can survive until enrage pretty handedly as long as you're getting heals
stone crag
hands down
fathom marten
Will have to ask the pally disc
zinc mauve
once enrage pops you have to have SB up or you're fucked
enrage being <50% hp on fetid
a single thrash will take me down to about 20-40k hp from full
far too dangerous imo
fathom marten
Yeah once you practice the fight and let him eat, it's really not that hard to get in enough am up for the thrashes
Honestly thought it would be worse
My guild isnt the greatest either. We are a bunch of casuals. Will change though once I'm back in the states and can change the raid days from fri and sat
No one wants to raid all weekend
quiet kettle
my guild does tues/wed for prog, friday for norm/alt farming, and sunday for heroic farm
fathom marten
Will be able to recruit more
The schedule will probably be Tues and fri prog. Sunday normal/alt farm.
zinc mauve
if you pug some people and do well, you can usually get them coming back pretty consistently
thats what my guild does
fathom marten
Yeah we've actually done that
zinc mauve
we actually managed to get two people to transfer servers just to play with us surprisingly
fathom marten
But tbh theres some severely underperforming dps.
zinc mauve
one of them was on Alliance from Area 52... i wonder why he changed???
fathom marten
Healz could be a little better
quiet kettle
thats how our guild merged from 18-20 in antorus to 28-32 in uldir
we merged an offserver guild in after they did quite well
zinc mauve
area 52 has 94% horde lmao
quiet kettle
thats basically stormrage for allis
illidan is even more extreme for horde
like 95.2% horde
zinc mauve
I think ravager could be a viable talent if it was tuned to give more parry chance. Assuming parts of AM were to be made baseline though i think making the parry chance too high would make it considered essential for M+ for some dungeons
Here's mine with pally main tank, group size 10 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9hNXwyD8jHvfBC7K#fight=19
fucked it up, fixed up
untold thunder
so i'm looking at icy veins consumable page, it says to use flask of the undertow
untold thunder
wouldn't the stamina one be better?
untold thunder
ofc
zinc mauve
but it also increases IP amount
fathom marten
hmmmmmmm
untold thunder
IP?
fathom marten
You guys were taking more damage then him and i it looks like?
untold thunder
so you would use stamina flask in scenarios where you need the extra hp to survive?
sick sentinel
Strength gives us armor
zinc mauve
the only stamina buff you should go for is feast buff perhaps, which would involve switching specs around to nab it
sick sentinel
I go double strength
steady dock
Only reason I'm going stam is because flasks are 1500 gold cheaper than the str ones on my server and I'm dirt poor in wow ๐
quiet kettle
unless ur RL is hyper impatient, u have time to spec swap for food
sick sentinel
Both feast and flask
zinc mauve
its user preference ultimately
untold thunder
thanks :D
zinc mauve
that extra health absolutely helps though
fathom marten
Really confused on our logs Amaurus
quiet kettle
over the course of a 5min fight i'd say undertow wins
untold thunder
i found it very odd why str would beat stam, but i get it now ^^
zinc mauve
whats up
quiet kettle
cause u'll generate more IP shield than what the stam flask would give
fathom marten
I don't see why we were having a hard time on fetid with my prot pally
off tank
It resembles yours
zinc mauve
has your warrior tried OTing?
fathom marten
He was main tanking as well
I'm the war
I was off tanking at one point
To see if that helps
zinc mauve
it seems he got thrashed twice
untold thunder
it makes more sense for pally to offtank since he has more sustainability i'm guessing
zinc mauve
that'll fuck up anyone
fathom marten
Yeah realized that too
Think it was when he came back after eating
ddin't get close neough in time and when he first pulled
zinc mauve
you should get to the thing before anyone else
fathom marten
Yeah for sure
zinc mauve
intercept it while it runs, twice if oyu have to
fathom marten
Didn't realize that
zinc mauve
heroic leap if need be and start eekin out damage and stackin up rage
fathom marten
hmmm
zinc mauve
i presume your guild uses some sort of voice comms
stone crag
bad talents
untold thunder
i mean his ilvl is on the lowside
stone crag
at least redoubt, bastion, cons ground
fathom marten
Those are bad?
zinc mauve
ehh the ilvl isnt too bad but tis definitely low
stone crag
definitely aren't right for fetid
zinc mauve
definitely tell him to get his weapon enchanted
fathom marten
Will do
junior igloo
What's wrong with BoL? ๐
untold thunder
BoL?
stone crag
don't think it's quite right for fetid, CJ would pull ahead
junior igloo
CJ = dps
BoL = defense
zinc mauve
@fathom marten you seemed to cast both RC and Last stand pretty early in the fight like 23~ seconds in
i cant figure out how to see hp on warcraft logs
oh
found it
zinc mauve
probably panic or missclick
fathom marten
My RC is next to LS too
zinc mauve
i bound mine to Ctrl + G, last stand is G for me
our damage taken is about similar, the only thing different between me and you is that i overcap on rage a decent bit
zinc mauve
i wasted about... 140 rage
fathom marten
At one point in normal, I complained about me overcapping on rage
To my guild
and now they make fun of me
๐ฆ
If we die they're like well if Thrav didn't overcap we probably would of survived
zinc mauve
lmao
i think one of my first times in zekvoz i intercepted someone to gain rage... right when he was void lashing
killed half the raid instantly
fathom marten
Yeah the LS was probably a panic hit too because I didn't trust my healers at the time lol
hahahhhaah
awesoomee
Going to do that now
Just for fun
crimson sentinel
The pala also heals more of his damage taken
opaque cloak
you guys think it's worth downgrading from 385 to 340 azerite just for deafening crush?
opaque cloak
I was afraid someone would say that xD
I sold all of the 340 azerite pieces the moment I upgraded
junior igloo
I'd keep the 385
sweet orchid
Keep the 385 but use the 340 until blizzard gets their head out of their ass for our class design.
junior igloo
By keep I meant keep using
45 levels worth of strength, armor, stamina and a random 385 azerite trait (they scale with ilvl as well) are probably better than DC, although it's closer than it should be ๐
tall wadi
I guess you are standing inside other players in a town?
obtuse venture
but your forgetting roccbois
raven kernel
more mastery = more ap = bigger IP ๐ (barely bigger lmaOoOoO)
sick sentinel
versatility = bigger Damage Reduction + bigger IP = double rock boi/shoot boi value
tall wadi
does reflecting a spell not show up in dmg meters?
amber siren
it doesn't
blissful imp
Which is bullshit! I want DPS to see the 100k could bolt reflects so they stop interrupting when I tell them I have reflect
Although, knowing my friends they'd probably do it more ๐ค
sick sentinel
are we posting stats now?
cloud bone
@raven kernel are you using dejacharacterstats?
raven kernel
yes
raven kernel
RatingBuster never4get
cloud bone
how did you get it to calculate the correct block value? mine still shows whatever block I have on my shield
the damage reduces by block rather
raven kernel
oh idk if thats accurate or not
sick sentinel
mouse over it
cloud bone
well it's more accurate then mine mine says reduces damage by 4000+%
cloud bone
it's whatever block value the shield i'm using has
so if my block value on the shield is 4123 it says It reduces damage from blocked attacks by 4123%
sick sentinel
that's a lot of %
cloud bone
yep haven't been able to see how much damage % I can block since pre patch
I think there was a calculator for that at some point but can't find it
sick sentinel
Overwhelming power is still good in prot right?
OP is OP for all.
PRAYING FOR 385 AZERITE
JK HAVE A CLOAK
sick sentinel
like, how is this going to compete in any way shape or form
94 armor vs OP ๐ค
better than other survivability alternatives.
if you want haste tho ofc get OP.
think Marok said it comes down to basically a 12s haste procc.
I would argue that most other survivability middle traits are better
hell, gemhide is better and it is an inner trait
mellow bridge
Does resounding protection stack?
sick sentinel
yeah and it is beautiful
thorny laurel
Question: are there any diminishing returns on blockrate? Or is it really Good to have 3x brace for impact?
sick sentinel
you want a defeaning crash
ideal scenario outside of Uldir is 1DC and 2 BfI
inside uldir replace one BfI with archive
thorny laurel
Isnt archive decent outside raids?
opaque cloak
oh yeah OP is removed upon dmg
is it really worth it? sneaking in some haste in-between bosses hits?
ember arrow
It lasts 12 seconds
In worst case
@opaque cloak
The dmg taken part has 1 sec icd
So if u get hit 50 times a second it still removes 1 stack per sec
Therefore its strong
opaque cloak
ohhh
whenever you get dmg you lose one stack
not all of the buff
alright thanks @ember arrow
ember arrow
Np
frosty wedge
man, blizzard can't even get the hotfix for azerite right
I'm wearing 2x370 and 1x 340... and my emmisary is 340
like
was the issue they were trying to address not that upgrading azerite was a nightmare?
My monk has 1x370 1x385, 1x 340
and had a 355 cache
signal plover
Ppl seem to think it's based on your bag ilvl
signal wigeon
sweet orchid
970?
amber siren
370*
sweet orchid
Was about to say
amber siren
ape brain still stuck in legion apparently
sweet orchid
Or your guildy got an item from two expansions in the future
Time travel game is stronk
amber siren
wod 2.0 monkaS af
frosty wedge
yeah it's fucked - like, base it on your average item level aside from azerite pieces
both of my chars are like, 363 and azerite pieces are by far my lowest pieces on both
if it weren't for azerite pieces and non existent weapon drops they'd both be 370+
my monk's weapon is a 345 from the last cycle of the warfront that was his highest piece at the time
and I've been spam running high keys targeting dungeons with 2H weaps and have seen 0 drops. tons of belts and bracers, not a single weapon, lol
ember arrow
Ok
ember crest
anyone know if Fireblood works on Zul debuff? dark iron racial
steel mauve
It doesnt
ember crest
damn
steel mauve
Only way to drop it is bop or die
primal crypt
ember crest
pretty unfortunate
sick sentinel
368, lowest piece is 345 shoulders
get 370 chest. third one of one im already using.
next goblet
this azerite cache is STUPID.. unless it gives me a helm
literally have 2 370 pieces aside from the helm, thats still 340 and i got a 355 cache
pallid axle
still waiting for DC item ๐
sick sentinel
mythic+0s
pallid axle
done
vagrant cape
I was about to make a joke about coining one
vagrant cape
but now that I think about it, yeah, I'd totally coina m0 for a dc piece if I didn't have one
sick sentinel
if its an item that make/breaks your quality as a MT for raids progression
must have
pallid axle
xD im doing all DC-Bosses every week and spamming atal dazar 10s in hope for a sweet shield (still wielding a 340.. ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
I cant say bad things of weekly mythic+ cache ever again.
vagrant cape
what did you get?
sick sentinel
giving me the bombass crit/mast wf 380 socket shield last week.
vagrant cape
D:
pallid axle
๐ฆ
vagrant cape
damn son
sick sentinel
vagrant cape
wow
pallid axle
more than 1000block more than mine...
sick sentinel
ya
pallid axle
yeah im havent dropped a shield since first week of bfa Heroic 325ilvl^^ the shield im using was givin to me by a heal shaman so its not even mine
vagrant cape
well if you don't raid then that's fine, you're gonna crush m+
would y'all drop a 345 rezan, a 370 vial (str active that diminishes over time) or blockades?
pallid axle
ghuun on heroic sux with and 340 shield and no DC though feels like mythic
vagrant cape
damn. I feel like the prot warriors are divided into three classes:
The DC-less plebeians who beg on the streets for m0 azerite gear
Those with DC but a 340 shield who work in the factories and fields to provide for...
the elite with 370 DC azerite and a 370+ shield, who rule over the raider.io leaderboards. People beg to be in their group so they might be blessed with a hand-me-down shield if one drops for the elite.
tropic star
340 DC trait here, but do have that 375 shield
vagrant cape
you're like a factory owner
tropic star
no one begging me to be in there group tho
vagrant cape
upper middle class
mellow bridge
340 dc with 360 shield here :/
But a couple days more and I'll finally hit 1k rio gg
vagrant cape
get back to work, break's over, @mellow bridge
tropic star
got that white picket fence, wife, two kids, and a dog named sparky
pvp reward last week for conquest cap was 355 shoulder tho
need to finish capping that, pretty sure it had DC trait
vagrant cape
sparky's medical bills are piling up, though. you'll have to choose between downsizing your car and putting sparky down. How are you gonna tell the kids?
next goblet
@tropic star it did
sick sentinel
345 DC here.
vagrant cape
there's a metaphor for gear in there somewhere
sick sentinel
+5 ilvl boost
tropic star
ya
sick sentinel
cus godly neck
next goblet
because i got it for my fury set lol
mellow bridge
ah
mellow bridge
same
next goblet
sparkys love is forever
tropic star
i guess it may depend on sparky's quality of live
we talking like a procedure to get him back to full, or will be limpy/incontinent and only extend life for like a year?
jagged bay
gz!
mellow bridge
Reset tomorrow ๐
old night
callous reprisal or archive of the titans
stoic kite
385 Chest with Blood Sport vs 370 Chest with archive of titans?
I hate azerite trait system. is an upgrade an upgrade
rich robin
the RNG Gods finally answered
raven kernel
poggers
delicate prism
niceeeee
raven kernel
gz man
stoic kite
wow nice
sick sentinel
gz :O
sand egret
sooo does King's Rest still have 2x Shadow Zul pulls in Teeming?
stoic kite
rng gods were not as kind... I mean that ilvl, but no deafening crash
tranquil kraken
So what do you all do for Shadow of Zul in King's Rest high M+?
I just couldn't stay alive :/
sand egret
cuz I have PTSD from my last time with that part
sick sentinel
For any of you that do not have a 355 DC yet, spam cap your conquest
You will het 355 DC shoulders eventually
stoic kite
would 355 DC > 370 non DC?
sand egret
what slot is it in?
sick sentinel
Shoulders
sand egret
ooo, good looks
sand egret
๐ค
sick sentinel
Or everything if you are at 0 rating
Free wins up to 1200
https://gyazo.com/204db1cc0fa08e47f1879dd08bf40a1c only sadness.
my Arms gear > my Prot gear.
lunar jackal
guys why is jes' howler so good? the versa boost doesnt seem that high honestly
sick sentinel
its huge if you use it correctly. esp TF ones too.
frosty wedge
blockades though
sick sentinel
How high of a jes would replace blockades?
Because I am wearing 375jes +365 rezan and put blockades In the bank
weary notch
my guess is the 375 jes is way better than the blockades
weary notch
I just got 370 deafening crash shoulders out of my M+ weekly chest, so that's exciting
weary notch
yeah, this should be a good week for M+
sick sentinel
The previous one was as well
I boosted 10 alts of my guild to +10s to get their chest
raven kernel
gonnna push keys this weekend
sick sentinel
I'm gonna try to get to 900score at least
raven kernel
360/360/385 bfi/dc/bfi
grim prism
@sick sentinel 370 jes is waaaaay better than blockades
sand egret
I just want to give @hot locust a personal shout-out for your reddit post. A+ in my book
weary notch
link dat post
chrome falcon
@tranquil kraken shadow is tough
I normally go SR on the pull, DS when that drops with avatar then just cycle TC and IPs, SW when that runs out and then last stand if i panic
sick sentinel
Yas man I did a +11 tol dagor and got a 375 leach jes
I looted that shit and alt+f4'd
Disconnected from discord and screamed
weary notch
I'm still trying to decide what to do with a 340 jes, 350 rezans and blockades
sand egret
@weary notch https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9ma5lg/protection_warrior_analysis_community_perception/ (for the post)
weary notch
that's what I've been running, but even at 340, Jes' gives a LOT of vers
dawn breach
hey how can I determine what the worth of a socket is over a higher ilvl item for prot war?
tranquil kraken
@chrome falcon yeah alright that makes sense...just wasn't sure if there was something I was missing. Thanks!
chrome falcon
Also remember to maintain SB uptime
He melees you between casts
That's the ACTUAL reason he's so hard
chrome falcon
Disagree
You really need the heal from last stand like halfway through
Using it at the start will be fine if it's lower level I guess
The ACTUAL answer is to just bloodlust the stupid thing
raven kernel
depends on tyrannical or fortified week tbh
chilly brook
That moment when youโre using two pieces of bloodsport
raven kernel
comments are still quite meme
merry cave
Yeah but generally people are fucking idiots
The amount of 'wars can't do skittish' shows just how bad most wars are
sick sentinel
Skittish is like a non-affix
weary notch
it really is
sick sentinel
Except maybe if you are LOS pulling
raven kernel
those are the same wars that say our aoe dps isnt as good as we think it is
sick sentinel
Lol
weary notch
I did a +8 last night and didn't even realize it was skittish
oblique wolf
Or with mobs that leap out of the pack constantly. raptors and such
inner trail
goes to show how insane threat has gotten before bfa, even with the nerfs and skittish it's still easy
merry cave
I think the only thing his post is missing is our lack of utility for gathering (or just delete death grip) or maybe I missed it
old night
so where does archive of the titans rank
sick sentinel
Other tank I think lose aggro though
old night
still cant find a definitive answer on it
oblique wolf
as long as I have avatar everytime my other warr has bladestorm, all good
merry cave
I have a dk and dh, the dh is as easy with skittish as war. Dk won't hold on opener to a balls deep arms or dh but if they give me 1 second it's also no issue
No idea about the other 3
grim prism
TLDR: "I open every pull with charge > demo > ava > IP, why do I still not have aggro with all these damage buffs?"
Stoopids gonna stoop
sick sentinel
The only problem I had was with the encha shaman focusing one mob down when I was hiting something else
oblique wolf
my m+ group had to pug a tank because I was out one night. He literally could not hold aggro on anything
even bosses
sick sentinel
Namely not target switching for bolstering
weary notch
it's not that they're stupid, it's that it's unintuitive.
grim prism
Its a little of both
grim prism
If you dont want to learn to do things properly, its kind of explicitly your faukt
weary notch
if I were a new(ish) player I doubt I would pick the opimtal build just from looking at the tree
grim prism
Sure, but having the same problem over and over
chilly brook
@inner trail well to be fair tank damage was buffed to compensate as well
merry cave
Yeah but you also wouldn't charge in and not do any damage for 3-4 seconds applying buffs then wondering why you didn't have threat
simple lintel
Hey guys can you stack the Thunderclap Azurite trait? The one that extends demoralizing Shout
oblique wolf
@simple lintel Yes, but it only effects the damage
chilly brook
No the extension doesnโt stack only the damage
simple lintel
Dang
sick sentinel
You want only one
simple lintel
Thank you guys
grim prism
@merry cavei cant think of any other reason wars would have threat probs though
We exude AoE almost effortlessly
merry cave
Neither can I tbh
oblique wolf
Its actually very annoying not to aoe
merry cave
When would you not aoe ๐ค
sand egret
I feel like its 99% their opener doesn't Pre-Ava
oblique wolf
waycrest really low health mobs that bolster ๐ฆ
grim prism
When youre Lala keeping crawgs alive so sub rogues can do 25k sustained to the boss
@sand egret totally agree
merry cave
@sand egret yes that's a big issue, Ivr managed to convince a few on Reddit to pre avatar and got messages of thanks later on. But other idiots refuse to give up there extra 1 second of duration and sit on froums complaining instead
oblique wolf
Its not one second extra...
merry cave
Some of them don't use it after charge either ๐
oblique wolf
im so glad the meta is BV AM now. I pushed so hard to that pre nighthold
zinc creek
370 jes howler or 360 rezan's?
weary notch
I agree mostly with @hot locusts post, but I don't want to see a reduction on the SB CD. Knowing when to use it is what makes this class fun. I think the better solution is to reduce the damage taken delta between when SB is up and when it's not
oblique wolf
lay it on us Mike. what did you get
frosty wedge
I just got the exact same 385 chest this week, as I got last week on my monk
oblique wolf
๐ฆ
frosty wedge
the EXACT SAME piece two weeks in a row
oblique wolf
I got a belt last week to replace my 375 belt
frosty wedge
also the emmisary azerite shit, needs to be fixed. my monk is like 365.. has a 385 azerite, a 370 azerite and a 340
and my cache was 340
but my warr is 363, has 2x370 and 1x340 and his cache was 355
like, there's no logic at all to the scaling
lol
sand abyss
I think itโs ilvl breakpoints for chests
sand egret
yeah
chilly brook
Yea in arms which is like a 5ilvl downgrade I had a 355 but as soon as I swapped to prot it was 370
sand egret
my emissary scaling worked fine for me
sand abyss
even though going off of Azerite pieces for Azerite caches makes more sense
frosty wedge
but my monk's ilvl is higher than my warr
chilly brook
And weโre talking like 363 and 368
It really makes no sense
Why at 363 itโs offering 355
frosty wedge
my monk is 365 vs 363 for my warr
sand egret
well because 370
is the next tier
you didn't get to 370 so you're still in the 355 bracket
frosty wedge
but the only reaosn ilvl is so low is because of the azerite pieces.
mor than half my gear is above 370
but I'm stuck with 340 azerite pieces
snow dirge
369 is the most common breakpoint I've seen to get a 370 piece. Some people had slightly less and upon getting 369 their emissary went 355 -> 370
chilly brook
But like 367/8 gave me 370 it makes no sense that a 5 ilvl difference leads to a 15ilvl difference in reward
snow dirge
Bag ilvl seems to count
chilly brook
It doesnโt @snow dirge
stark sage
it does
snow dirge
Might be the initial offer is glitched for some people
chilly brook
Then how tf do you explain the swap in spec leading to the drastic loss in ilvl
snow dirge
Because it definitely recalcs with more ilvl, like other emissary offerings and wq
chilly brook
Considering you can still use a 1h and shield in arms the in bag should technically be the same
stark sage
because bag ilvl calculates based on what you can equip ,if you change specs it changes what weapons you can equip
sand egret
^
chilly brook
Again you can still equip the 1h and shield
frosty wedge
I have 0 doubt that they fucked up the calc,
chilly brook
^
old night
the opener for our roto is intercept > ava > demo > block > slam right
i saw someone posting the wrong roto above
frosty wedge
ava before intercept
old night
and it made me think "fuck am I doing it wrong"
chilly brook
I meant why would you slam before tclap if youโve already hit Demo?
sand egret
you'd want to pre-avatar because it means your first TClap is doing boss damage for initial threat
and you don't waste 1 second going into avatar
chilly brook
Not to mention tclap in avatar is gonna hit harder than slam
sand egret
every second counts when your dps is frothing at the mouth to bust their load
frosty wedge
I don't understand why they won't make azerite gear fking targetable and let us get it in m+
old night
so is that roto wrong I wrote?
sand egret
a tad
chilly brook
Iโd say yes
old night
whats your opener?
sand egret
I'd go: Ava > TClap (initiall set aggro) > Demo > TClap
chilly brook
Ava>intercept>tclap>Demo>tclap>ss>tclap
frosty wedge
ava, intercept+sb, tclap, demo, ss, tclap
severe pond
ava>Intercept+SB>tclap>demo>tclap>IP>tclap
frosty wedge
true, sorry, tclap after demo, then ss
old night
may I ask why ava before intercept?
sand egret
two reasons
frosty wedge
so you're not wasting a global casting it once you're in range
sand egret
first the TClap you do initially hits hard and generates a lot of aggro
second is as Mike said
chilly brook
So you can immediately grab aggro when you get to the target
solid mist
cuase then you go charge -> avatar -> while your GCD is ticking OH NO THE ARMS WARRIOR IS SPINNING OH GOD MY AGRO
chilly brook
And the difference in time isnโt going to really matter overall
sand egret
or the DH does his bullshit, etc
chilly brook
Gratz
balmy narwhal
ty
sand egret
I'm gonna look forward to my dupe ๐
chilly brook
I mean tbh direct your rage at blizz
frosty wedge
I'm sos salty, it feels like the chests are useless every other week
balmy narwhal
thats 1 less azerite piece to worry about for now ๐
frosty wedge
I literally got one of two possible pieces that isn't an upgrade
and they gave me the exact same piece as lastw eek
sand egret
@frosty wedge the 8.1 proposed changes will alleviate that a bit
unfortunately it's just a waiting game until then
frosty wedge
what 8.1 change will help this?
sweet orchid
So what are the prot changes in 8.1?
chilly brook
Do we actually have solid info on 8.1 class changes? Last I checked it was a no?
reef fulcrum
How important it is to have an uldir azerite trait? Basically, 355+uldir trait vs 370 without it
balmy narwhal
would u say iron fortress is more or less like brace for impact? I have a 370 chest with iron fortress i am wondering if i could use it to replace my 340 chest with brace for impact instead
(i already have a head piece with brace for impact)
chilly brook
Probably pretty important after this week
balmy narwhal
perfect
chilly brook
Could be worse
balmy narwhal
ty
chilly brook
You could have a 385 chest with bloodsport and 370 shoulders with bloodsport
sand egret
the idea, in concept, is that by adding the outer ring with multiple class-traits (so DC, specifically) means that the gear pool you'll have to work from will be far more diverse in terms of "meeting" your requirements (for us, 1 piece DC).
chilly brook
๐
frosty wedge
man, I honestly can't believe the luck of getting the exact same piece two weeks in a row from m+ chest
sand egret
you also, just have horrible luck haha
frosty wedge
like wtf, lol
sand egret
(sorry)
modern brook
I got that last week mike
chilly brook
Then again letโs be honest
reef fulcrum
Thank you guys
chilly brook
Bloodsport isnโt horrible
modern brook
375 wrists ->365 monelite ore
sand egret
I like it! (i'm also a sucker for Leech)
frosty wedge
I have a 385 belt from taloc, and a 385 chest from lastw eek's m+... eveyrthing else is 365-370... and I get the exact same 385 azerite chest as last week, lol
modern brook
does the leech even reach 1%
frosty wedge
and I'm still using my 345 weapon from the first warfront cycle
modern brook
I'm still using a 340 shield ๐
chilly brook
Iโm surprised how much โhealingโ I actually do
modern brook
IP is 30k in a GCD
sick sentinel
Leach does nothing lol
sand egret
false. It gives me green numbers of joy.
sick sentinel
Double digit
sand egret
green.numbers.
sand egret
I also have like 3-4% leech or something
apparently all my warforges went Leech
so when I start TClappin....definitely more than double digits
lusty grotto
mmmm
lusty grotto
๐ข ๐ต ๐
modern brook
can i just say
sand egret
holy crap I want that trinket
modern brook
can we get 1 fucking week without teeming plz
modern brook
Im just tired of doing teeming
amber siren
tyrannical is easier than fort tbh
lusty grotto
agreed
modern brook
we've done it like 4 times already
sand egret
fort stinks
modern brook
m+ has been out for like 6 weeks
sand egret
I just want new affixes hehe
severe pond
do we have any chest piece with DC?
lusty grotto
no
not farmable
just helm and shoulders
there's some rares but those have ilvl caps
severe pond
that's sucks ๐ฆ
frosty wedge
pvp chest I think?
lusty grotto
not that i know of
modern brook
^
lusty grotto
pvp shoulders you mean
modern brook
Im p sure someone got a 370 dc chest from pvp here
severe pond
i got a 385 shoulder from Motherlode with BfI, but can change because my shoulder 340 has DC
sick sentinel
I would argue that 40 ilvls might be enough to offset DC, not sure though
lusty grotto
yeah pvp only has DC shoulders
severe pond
my helm is 370 from mother heroic(using BfI), my chest is 370 from vectis heroic(using Archieve on raids, and the revenge one for M+)
sick sentinel
also middle ring trait is a factor
lusty grotto
it's not
sick sentinel
also, @severe pond do pvp
sick sentinel
you will get a 355 shoulder with DC if you cap conquest enough times
lusty grotto
i'm using archive on my mother helm
solid mist
like... this is just a complex UI/interaction. but what if they added a thing, that when you run an M+ you can say "ok I wanna try to get azerite at the end of the run" and that has a weekly lockout. so just like M0 have a weekly lockout, you'd have an "azerite chance lockout" for each M+ dungeon. It's dumb and complicated, but like... would at least let people try
frosty wedge
but he justs aid he has 385 shoudlers with BFI from motherlode
severe pond
ok,i'll try @sick sentinel
supple path
Continued my expansion-long streak of every single chest item being non-useable. Today's: a 385 azerite item that replaces a 370 azerite item that has my only uldir trait.
frosty wedge
no king, just let us fucking azerite in m+
I don't even care if you lock it down to 370
lusty grotto
that's why i said he could just try to get a high freehold helm
if he has chest for archive
sick sentinel
@supple path wear the one for M+ and the other for uldir
supple path
@sick sentinel Yeah, it'll end up for the arms suit - has absolute garbage prot traits too.
solid mist
I mean, there reason is they didn't want people just spamming unlimited M+'s to get the exact gear they want. wanted it to be rng and lockout based, similar to raid. Essentially they created their own problem and are now saying "gee this problem exists and we don't know how to solve it"
modern brook
farming azerite from M+ is not a solution
steel mauve
Only way to get high end dungeon mythic pluss azerite is from the weekly chest, so basically the lottery
frosty wedge
absolutely it is - why wouldn't it be?
modern brook
because it doesnt address the problem
lusty grotto
yeah its basically ass
modern brook
you have a runny nose
so you stuff it full of tissues
you still have a runny nose
frosty wedge
wait, how does letting people target azerite not solve the problem?
the problem is that you can't access azerite upgrades unless you raid or PVP at a high level
modern brook
you cant farm raids either
frosty wedge
letting azerite drop in m+ solves that
steel mauve
At least higher ilvl azerite drops from higher level raids unlike mythic +
sick sentinel
there is a "bad luck protection" for the cache, but you can still go a month without getting an azerite piece
frosty wedge
for example - my monk has a 340 helm... there are 2x leather helms in raid - if I'm a raider I have 6 chances + 6 bonus roll opportunities at a helm
m+ I have one chance our of the weekly chest
modern brook
you get 12 chances if you're capable and willing to commit to clearing uldir 3 times across all 3 difficulties
More accruately you get 8
but that aside
lusty grotto
npm install miss me with that bullshit.js
modern brook
- raiding requires a hell of a lot more commitment w/ other people than a m+ run that you dont even need to complete in time to get a reward for.
supple path
The real fun thing with the chest is just how often the azerite item is garbage too.
(4 of my last 5 chest rewards)
solid mist
I've gotten 0 azerite from chest and 0 from raid ๐
frosty wedge
oh my azerite item was great... when I got it last week. Not so much when i got the exact same one today
modern brook
- you can get drops from an number of m+'s limited only by how quickly you can complete them
azerite from m+ doesnt address issues with azerite as a whole, it just provides you with a way to feel less shitty about a shitty sytem
supple path
Every Tuesday is basically just get a new azerite item, enjoy how it has literally worst in slot prot traits, sim it out as a DPS loss for arms, be sad.
solid mist
do charlie brown walk to the scrapper
frosty wedge
- make azerite only on the loot table if you complete in time. 2) limit it so each player can only recieve one piece of azerite per week from each dungeon or each key level. 3) lock azerite from m+ at 370
I should not be running around at ilvl 365-370 with 34 azerite pieces
modern brook
so now we're adding 3 layers of complexity to a loot table
instead of fixing the fucking problem
solid mist
remove azerite ๐
frosty wedge
well yes but we know that's not going to fucking happen, lol
modern brook
just cause your solution sucks shit doesnt mean I have to have one
The issue with azerite is not the drop rate
Its the variance of the peices themselves
frosty wedge
those are BOTH problems
lusty grotto
it's just a terrible fucking system, they did not think the whole "target pieces" bs
modern brook
its the legendary system converted to diablo and translated back intow wow
frosty wedge
it's a problem that there's so much variance in the peices yes, but ACESS to pieces is also a huge problem
access*
modern brook
access to the pieces is only a problem because of the variance though
IF dc wasnt 40+ ilvls better than ilvl
solid mist
true. my bags are full of azerite... that I can't use cause traits are garbo
modern brook
we wouldnt give a shit about not having dc
frosty wedge
no, it's not. it's a problem if you don't want to raid, you're limited to 1 chance at anything above 340 a week
modern brook
thats your own fault
fallen apex
Azerite - brought to you by tge same crew that drove the Diablo franchise into the ground ๐
modern brook
you're choosing not to do content
lusty grotto
at least there's emmisaries and pvp now ๐
modern brook
why would you be rewarded for that?
solid mist
I eman, you can faceroll normal raid for gear pretty easy. it's a tradeoff. there are people who raid who don't want ot do M+ but will do it anyway to try and fill gear gaps. it's part of the PVE content ladder
frosty wedge
I'm choosing to do DIFFERNT content
frosty wedge
but I'm not... because they don't let azerite drop in m+, which is the issue. so you're sdaying that peple running +10s and higher shouldn't have access to ANY azerite over 340 unless they want to raid
modern brook
im saying people running +10's are raiding
I have gotten exactly 1 peice of azerite from raids
i've raided every week since release
frosty wedge
I'm not... because my shcedule sucks and is unpredicatble
modern brook
none of my peices are below 355
frosty wedge
yeah and I have been the last 3 weeks, because I'm forced to
modern brook
anecdotal, but my point is that raiding doesnt give any higher of a chance of azerite than a box once a week with blp
frosty wedge
I'm saying it's bullshit that you're forced to do that because there are gaps in the system
but it objectively does
it gives you 2 chances per boss that drops azerite
amber siren
I mean raiding has always had the best gear, if it's not azerite it's tier, if it's not tier it's trinkets
Not unique to BFA
steel mauve
Been raiding doing normal and heroic, only got 1 piece of azerite, and i have more chances then the once a week
modern brook
^
fallen apex
Just curious since I got a late start to the expansion, but how long does it take to get raid/higher level M+ ready?
timber nest
http://prntscr.com/l43cjz upgrade?
modern brook
@bahl how high a key?
sick sentinel
not an upgrade IMO
modern brook
I'm 362 rn and finishing blind +8 (ie: I dnt know my pull patterns)
sick sentinel
socket that fucker
fallen apex
I was thinking +10 for now
sweet orchid
Give it some haste and it might be an ungrade
fallen apex
I know that's not high, but just to get a start
fallen apex
Is it? On the forums I keep hearing that isn't
I need to learn to take BS on the forums with a grain of salt ๐
fallen apex
True
modern brook
I struggle with 7+ generally
fallen apex
What is prot viable up to right now?
modern brook
I'm sure with a coordinated team and a strong understanding of your dungeon key that +10 is very easy
I just lack both of those
fallen apex
Yeah at a certain point it's more about team coordination, right?
sweet orchid
Still rocking a 345 shield here
modern brook
340 ๐ข
amber siren
370 pvp shield ๐
modern brook
bitch
topaz badger
does brace for impact stack well?
fallen apex
RNG has been historically against me in this game
modern brook
if by well you mean both numbers then yes
topaz badger
oh sweet, well yeah, I mean, no hidden parts that dont stack :p
sweet orchid
Even if you're really coordinated there is a limit. You need to output a certain minimum amount of dps/hps to be able to make it through the upper +keys on time.
fallen apex
Gotcha
modern brook
bahl; re what is Warrior good up to: the higher the key the less relevant the tankiness of the tank is
topaz badger
anywhere I can find which traits stack good and which dont?
modern brook
CC and mob control become king; hence why you basically only see DK's and dH's as key tanks
warrior brings Sheild block and avatar claps
topaz badger
what about azerite veins, do those stack well too? ๐
modern brook
@topaz badger IIRC; everything stacks except for durations and percents
topaz badger
thx ๐
daring patrol
finally got so excited to see a 385 azerite piece, then realized I'd have to give up DC for it
modern brook
welcome to #protection
fallen apex
Get your hopes up only to be let down
modern brook
I got 355 sholders with DC on them from a wb and i remember being in discord saying "some how i actually got an ilvl upgrade fromt hat"
supple path
I feel like it's going to turn out that proper prot warrior play in high keys is some nonsense involving tclap radius talent + someone else snaring monsters as you slowly back up in circles.
amber siren
backpedalling while tc'ing furiously sounds hilarious
modern brook
I think proper high key warrior play is Logout->level DK.
fallen apex
Bring a druid for force of nature
modern brook
(thats a joke)
fallen apex
Ha
modern brook
I cant stress frost mage enough
sick sentinel
or both
amber siren
i mean, frost mages and boomies are great for M+ rn
modern brook
My general key pushing group is Ass/Frost/Frost DK/prot/holy pally
amber siren
treants make me chubby
supple path
I really do wanna play with the radius talent more though, seems like on a ton of pulls with avatar it'll be good for staying engaged on packs while kiting.
modern brook
we suck shit but tanking is very easy cause u just run away
Its a liabiltiy in some dungeons
like if you do the zombie guy in Atal first
you can clap the packs u try and skip if you nab the skeles
supple path
Seems easily solved by pulling 2 yards further
modern brook
fair
sick sentinel
I took off the radius talent because I was breaking CC
modern brook
I took it off for similar reasons
I was nabbing too many yellows during necrotic
breaking blinds and polys etc
modern brook
I think it removes your dead zone in pvp
neon tangle
I'm a horrible tank
supple path
Yeah, I haven't been using it either, but it seems like there's potential promise there for hitting stuff you're kiting.
neon tangle
I died like 3 times last night to mythic mother lazers
grim prism
It doesnt increase damage, the nerfed slow on TC makes it much less usefulfor kiting, and most mobs are going to walk into melee with you anyjow
I MIGHT run crackle in pvp, but that is precluded by the fact that I would not pvp in prot
modern brook
@neon tangle have u tried ignoring the pain?
also at balsaq. yes.
I think if you're running prot in pvp you'd want safe guard
neon tangle
I loved the pvp in warhammer online
modern brook
But then again you'd just want to get out of combat to switch to arms
neon tangle
pvp tanks
grim prism
I would agree
fallen apex
Dragon charge in AV is all I need to PvP as Prot๐
grim prism
Prots only pvp value is mass damage reduction in RBGs
The cleave is good, but not better in practice than any multidot DPS
Imo
Kind of talking out my ass on those last points
modern brook
Its much cooler though, thats for sure
supple path
Dragon Charge is also so amazing in the mine-cart BG, yeah.
royal lodge
I like to use dragon charge in wPvP as well as in BGs. In mountainous areas and in the azertite WQs, it works well to knock people away.
stone imp
How does the feelycraft feel about the difference between a 385 Mchimb'a Bandages vs. a 365 Gore-crusted butcher block? Offensively. Static str vs. Crit proc.
onyx vessel
when your stuck losing 30ilvl for dc 
junior ivy
oh its an addon that shows me what the gear looks like on
signal plover
Slutmog?
junior ivy
the way it works is it shows me naked with just that piece of gear
i dunno why
lol
my actual mog
junior ivy
๐ฆ
prisma crane
idk, ball of spikes is pretty dope imo
signal plover
Ya wasn't too bad late in legion
prisma crane
i would've cared more to get it but i have S3/4 so i was happy with that instead lol
thin mortar
imo the last 2 pvp sets like that are the best armors I've seen for warr
prisma crane
it is pretty nice though, they need more dark sets
prisma crane
i generally roll with the Red, but the green is nice from time to time
thin mortar
pvp elite ofc
signal plover
I need to hop in next time my guild does mythic FA for shouldahs
Didn't get past maiden there
thin mortar
think its possible to 5m Mtos yet?
prisma crane
i doubt it
thin mortar
I was able to 5m all of M nighthold easy, just ran out of time
I think certain mechs might be an issue
prisma crane
too much to soak on KJ, too tight of a time req. on Avatar
signal plover
Last time they did it they weren't able to kill m KJ with a full 20
But they had a lot of casual folks so idk
prisma crane
im sure a lot of people just died to knockback on KJ, can't outgear that
signal plover
Believe so yeh
thin mortar
it might sound shallow, but if I pugged it I wouldn't accept below 360 ilvl just to make sure of mid/high dps
thin mortar
the idea would be to burn before mechs... but its all theory. my fear is exactly what you're saying T,T
prisma crane
FA you can burn
frosty wedge
MYthic BRF is pretty solid
thin mortar
that's easy solo... mog is meh to me though
signal plover
There's rly no point to doing KJ imo
prisma crane
but bastion blood relic!
signal plover
Mythic BRF set is pretty common now...still looks gr8
I wish I had done wod CMs for that shield tho
thin mortar
so, am I the only one who wonders if Blizz hates matching shields with armor sets?
CMs where pretty chill in WoD I think. got mine about midway through
prisma crane
Absalom's bulwark works for S3/4 Elite and M ToS set pretty well