is it your only dc piece
#protection
stark sage
onyx vessel
Yes
stark sage
then yes
onyx vessel
Oof
stark sage
DC is so valuable on the first piece that you can only replace it with another DC piece
its DR value is like 80 ilvls or something
stray tiger
If ya have 385 Azerite piece with dc
You will wear it nearly to next addon
signal plover
385 is highest cuz no TF tho
stark sage
for now
signal plover
For nao
If I get 385 with DC from weekly chest this week I'll let catfriend play gnome harrassment free
sick sentinel
hey
signal plover
Dont
sick sentinel
regarding what we said about crit/mastery vs haste
signal plover
Ok
sick sentinel
like you want the first 2 in mythic+ and haste in raids
\
I use seal and rot in raid/ seal and void in M+?
sick sentinel
oh ok that makes everything easier
signal plover
How do u even make it move
Obviously not with stirrups
Have to heroic leap on to your mount.
junior ivy
hahah
signal plover
Gnomes are my nightmare
junior ivy
why
weary notch
high pitched battle noises. Have to turn off sound when there is one in my group
junior ivy
people always comment on my ignore pain sound
and my taunt sound
all my sounds really
signal plover
all my sounds rly
vagrant cape
I got really excited while I was prepping my emissaries (completing the world quests but saving turn-in for reset) but then I realized most of my pieces are 380+ so the odds of an upgrade are quite low D:
weary nacelle
370 bis!
vagrant cape
Damn son! Nice!
weary nacelle
amazing!! replaced the 340 one
chrome lance
Enjoy the wearing of it for another 80 iLvLs. 😄
vagrant cape
The screenshot doesn't show the ilvl anywhere so I was confused :P
weary nacelle
and i'll be 26 on neck soon, so thats unlocking the 3rd point which is Gemhide.. and thats bis also
vagrant cape
Congrats, you beat 8.0!
weary nacelle
its 370 shoulders from the emissary
idd. Thanks, man 😃
Was about time to get lucky, i guess 😃 😃
swift pier
whats stat priority for prot?
vagrant cape
What ilvl are you shield and rezan?
swift pier
haste>verse>mastery?
weary nacelle
Shield is 380, one hander is 365
vagrant cape
@swift pier our stat priority is:
> ilvl > Haste > vers = mastery > crit
vagrant cape
Chol, what's the ilvl of the rezan trinket? Also if you have a 380 shield you got lucky when that showed up
In the upper right there's a pushpin icon
swift pier
tyty
chrome lance
> ivl> Does it have dc? > No? > Trash > Yes> 20 ivl lower than current piece? > Equip it > Haste > vers ... etc.
weary nacelle
Rezan is 370, sir
vagrant cape
"Bout time I got lucky" my ass :P
weary nacelle
370 on the pvp trinket with high versa and str on use
so it suits for now
prefer it over blockade
weary nacelle
Idd, it does. Ilvl on shield makes a huge difference, regardless of stats
vagrant cape
If I get a 380 shield I'm gonna poop myself
My rezan is 345
Im using that and blockades at 371 equipped and 865 raider io
Replacing rezan is basically all I have left before I'm "done"
With m+ that is
oblique garnet
They already changed the emissary scaling?
oblique garnet
Even in eu?
oblique garnet
Yeah mine was hella buggy voldunai reward said id get 295 azerite armor
Logging in and out didnt change it either
weary nacelle
@vagrant cape don;t really recall, I did over 17+ atal dazar runs on 8-10 , so it eventually dropped
tall wadi
The voldunai emissary showed me nothing for an hour until it updated to 370
oblique garnet
@tall wadi na or eu?
tall wadi
eu
oblique garnet
Nice maybe ill get lucky and finally get that DC trait
quaint kiln
370 is only dropping for people already 367+ ilvl btw
at least most reports are saying so
oblique garnet
Yeah im 372 so that aint a problem
quaint kiln
I'm 364...it IS a problem T__T Pepesadhands
oblique garnet
Unlucky
quaint kiln
3 toons, cant all be the best
oblique garnet
True
tall wadi
do you guys use https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker ?
oblique garnet
Champions of azeroth rep is holding back my alts
quaint kiln
oh I'm revered on them...wasn't fun
oblique garnet
on all of your alts?
vagrant cape
Missions OP
sick sentinel
365 rezan's or 375 dooms fury?
onyx vessel
Rezans
pallid axle
ghuun heroic with an 340 shield is a pain in the butt x'D
quaint kiln
@oblique garnet yeah, missions help a lot
vocal nimbus
vectis taunt swap at 1 debuff is fine?
zinc mauve
i dont think its enough time for the buff to decay
@tall wadi if you dont, you should at least have some sort of weakaura/addon that helps with tracking it because the default ui blows for warriors
tall wadi
I was asking because of an issue that I managed to fix myself in the end
I was aiming to change the "percentage" display to show 130% as cap and not 100%
as I found it confusing
vocal nimbus
wait till tomorrow
neon tangle
@oblique garnet supposedly in 8.1 they won’t make you grind for the neck ilvls
keen spire
hot locust
🤔
hot locust
Try asking #off-topic
waxen cradle
Even with the emissary cache scale up it still sucks because we at the mercy of the RNG gods trying to replace that one low piece of gear with another piece that also has DCrash on it
oblique garnet
@neon tangle ye but thats still far away
neon tangle
Just like my hope for getting in +10 pugs
waxen cradle
For me its my shoulders so I am in RNG hell unless I get a shoulder upgrade that has DCrash or another piece with it where I replace the shoulders
oblique garnet
I havent gotten a single piece of azerite with DC the whole expax
waxen cradle
I have gotten many just not any shoulder slot pieces with DC
neon tangle
@oblique garnet Gotta run more m0
tall wadi
mfw I have a 385 DC helmet but so far I have tanked ONE +10 dungeon
neon tangle
My guild died so I'm just hanging out getting rejected from +5's
stark sage
😬
waxen cradle
On a side note for any whom have not read Lala's Reddit post... that was a great read, and instantly got a like from me and upvote so well done. Yes I am late commenting but I have had the flu so yeah WoW had to wait a few days
tall wadi
im in the progress of convicing my main group that prot war is kickass but they are persistent on the "our prot pal is doing a good job and you are good dps, why change" route FeelsBadMan
oblique garnet
If you already have good tanks why change?
neon tangle
@oblique garnet I've also been fairly lucky w/ h Uldir Drops
junior ivy
yay exalted with CoA !!!
waxen cradle
grats
neon tangle
and my 370 shield
neon tangle
@junior ivy No ilvls for hitting exalted
oblique garnet
I have head and chest from uldir hc and got 385 chest but waiting on that DC shoulder to switch out my chest
hot locust
yeah there isnt anything @junior ivy
mild echo
you can buy a 355 azerite piece at exalted, but no neck levels.
junior ivy
that is sad
i was so excited
to get liker 15 ilvls
i duno why i thoiught id get 15 ilvls to mny neck
neon tangle
I mean, you just finished gridning a fairly annoying grind
Of course you would be rewarded
mild echo
same.. even though I knew at the start that we only got 45 levels from rep, I never actually put 2 and 2 together that that meant 15 each at friendly/honored/revered, and nothing at exalted
oblique garnet
I have almost more tortollan seekers rep than coa
neon tangle
I got everything to revered and I'm not touching shit but emissaary quests now
oblique garnet
Same
neon tangle
I've got a whole expac, and I'm past where the gear is good
tall wadi
It deeply upsets me that we got 45 levels for neck and now it is eternally stuck on an uneven number
literally shaking
oblique garnet
They probably will add something later
zinc mauve
@neon tangle you should be able to push past 10's with that gear pretty easily
oblique garnet
If they are raising azerite armors ilvl to 415 they will probably add a new rep or smth else that can increase hoa level
In 8.1
onyx vessel
Prob just increase ilvl per level up
neon tangle
@zinc mauve oh yeah I've got no issues actually tanking
onyx vessel
In your azurite
neon tangle
Most groups I get in go "wow, you take almost no damage"
The problem is getting in to the group in the first place
anyhow, I just transfered him to a high pop server and a new guild
should be better now, I was stuck on a server that had 11 guilds, total, in m uldir
only 3 of which were > 1/8
onyx vessel
My friend was lvling his prot warrior with me he was lvl42 i was healing him lvl22 so we had scale down and the shadow priest was ripping even on bosses
Lul
Good ol lvling still shit
Getting in groups as the "worst tank"
Lul
neon tangle
It is rather annoying right now
onyx vessel
Lvling as any tank
tall wadi
do random pugs accept guardian tanks?
zinc mauve
if you can find a healer who is willing to pug with you, you're pretty much gauranteed a group every time
old night
island expos got me 2 levels yesterday ez
zinc mauve
since anyone will join a group that has a tank and a healer
old night
I just sat with a cup of coffee and mindless did them with guildies on my brewmaster
oblique garnet
Most pugs ive seen want either bdk,brewmaster or dh
onyx vessel
In m+
oblique garnet
Yes in m+
zinc mauve
and most pugs i see dont know what 'the square = CC the mob, dont fucking hit it'
onyx vessel
Dh sucks in raiding
oblique garnet
Also it takes around 80~ island expeditions to get from 110-120
onyx vessel
No
oblique garnet
Yes
neon tangle
@zinc mauve I had the worst priest for a +5 FH the other day, killed me so many times
onyx vessel
Getting that maghar orc armour
neon tangle
I kited, he life-gripped me back in to the mobs
neon tangle
also various other dumb shit like pulling extra packs constantly, etc
simple kiln
So, Mr. Robot is suggesting two things for me that are counter to what I thought I knew about the state of Prot. It's suggesting I gem/enchant for verse- and prioritize verse/mastey a little more than I have been instead of Haste. Right now I am at 21% haste unbuffed/talented.
onyx vessel
He does like 1k less dps as a healer then shadpw lul
zinc mauve
also, it helps to log your m+ too. A good healer should have some damage dealt; while maybe not as much as a prot warrior unless they're disc, they should still have damage
oblique garnet
I love it when the dps keeps chain pulling on bolstering week and you have one fucking critter with 3m hp
zinc mauve
hey that dps helps
if the tank and the healer's damage adds up higher than the highest DPS, then you're golden
hot locust
@simple kiln AMR is not a reliable tool for protection.
oblique garnet
If the tank is the highest damage in your m+ your group wanted a boost
onyx vessel
Amr wtf
simple kiln
They added a lot for tuffness scores on AMR. There hasn't been a ton of resources that I have found that /really/ break down stuff
simple kiln
Granted, it's suggesting I take my 380 Jess' and put on a 375 Veiled eye so
hot locust
the execution is just poor.
simple kiln
But it did get me thinking, at what point am I losing tuff for haste? In the sense that, Zek'voz mythic hits like a truck
zinc mauve
what ilvl is your shield out of curiosity?
hot locust
Just don't follow the "tuff" stuff at all.
simple kiln
370
My R.IO: https://raider.io/characters/us/proudmoore/Grogden has my raid gearset on rn
onyx vessel
I yelled at my healers on heroic zek
Cuz they kept giving a cd after the combo
Retards
zinc mauve
most healer addons wont even show the debuff
because it cant be dispelled
just announce verbally or in chat 'DONT HEAL ME YET' after the combo
simple kiln
I just feel like he hits pretty damn hard as is. With all the extra movement on mythic.
onyx vessel
I do too
zinc mauve
then they're dumb if its not aoe healing
onyx vessel
Didnt use anything
Lol
Half the time im 40% going into combo
Taking it all
Reeee
onyx vessel
Yup
simple kiln
Also, just to double check: The census is still Deafening Crash, even at 340 when I have a 370 ready to go right?
zinc mauve
unfortunately yes
DC is just too good
hold onto the 370 until you get another piece
onyx vessel
Dc is worth losing any ilvl
zinc mauve
on heroic zekvoz i try to stay topped and keep 1 block just for the combo
simple kiln
Yeah, figured. Just wanted to keep my ducks in a row. Pushing M+ as prot has been a lot of fun, but I feel a little weak in Mythic raids right now.
zinc mauve
when the combo comes if im less than 50% ill use SW
sick sentinel
more gearing questions!
astral crystal
i'd keep the one with azerite veins
prisma crane
unless im wrong, im pretty sure you can just use LS for every combo and dont even have to think about it
onyx vessel
Prot warrior as well
astral crystal
iron fortress is ok for m+ too
simple kiln
Same, I like the azerite veins one
neon tangle
@onyx vessel my last norm somehow the OT died
sick sentinel
this is for M+ only, not raids
zinc mauve
@prisma crane depends on your hp, LS will help with Shatter and just getting some hp back, but only IP, Spell reflect, or SW will mitigate the lashes
zinc mauve
i prefer using LS while tanking zekvoz normally and using a SB charge for the shatter
no sense using the long bolster period for one attack unless i have nothing else
sick sentinel
I am in the same boat as amaurus
oblique garnet
Oh shit i can farm warfront for the shoulders which have DC trait
prisma crane
yea i suppose
zinc mauve
my guild is too small to try mythic uldir
sick sentinel
we get like 25 people on our HCs and like 17 in our mythic days
haven't done M taloc yet FeelsBadMan
onyx vessel
He really doesnt but my healers are too reactive its annoying
simple kiln
So he didn't hit hard when you tanked him on Mythic Krotos?
prisma crane
i'm not referring to mythic, but Sense had mentioned he hits like a wet noodle, referring to Zek
onyx vessel
He doesnt if your good at prot
oblique garnet
yeah taloc is really underwhelming on mythic
zinc mauve
taloc is ez mode pretty much universally
mother is a bit harder but still relatively easy, i cant speak for mythic level though
simple kiln
Yeah, it isn't crazy hard. but the rings put tanks in wonky spots if your guild needs some extra guidance
Mother mythic is in many ways easier than heroic.
junior ivy
prisma crane
its ok i got one yesterday
l
apparently unable to do a 10 Atal
simply impossible really
junior ivy
this is atal 9..
sick sentinel
I got sent a better one yesterday after 2chesting a freehold 9 😄
sick sentinel
I am group lead like 90% of the time
prisma crane
and i dont play like i used to so my IO epeen is tiny
sick sentinel
get a guildie with a key and then ask guildies, friends and then pug
prisma crane
oh i know how to circumvent it
junior ivy
i basiclaly exclusively do keys with guildies now
prisma crane
just waiting for blizzard to unfuck our appeal
junior ivy
yup 😦
sick sentinel
even with buffs, the stigma will not go away
prisma crane
it will if we're actually good
prisma crane
no, wow doesnt revolve around streamers like other games
sick sentinel
it certainly helps
prisma crane
Sco going for prot would help, but only because prot itself is more competitive as well
and tbh
vocal nimbus
sco was playing prot after progress
sick sentinel
Sco 'played prot' for the stream/views.
He's not -playing prot-.
To meme it as his/method's 'next challenge'.
Smearing the Prot Specc name further into the mud.
neon tangle
Welp he’s got more viewers and I’ve got less groups, mission accomplished
sick sentinel
To which, he didn't play seriously when he had on stream. It was very lazy.
prisma crane
you mean like him saying T21 could be good with HR and Indom?
yea, he hasnt cared at all about any tanks he's not actively going to raid with
chilly brook
Speaking of which t21 4 piece would be baller right now
oblique garnet
lul had to stack my party with plate to finally get the Shoulders with DC
lost bay
is last gift any use in PvE? just got it from my emissary
old night
used to feel like one of those ads online "HEALERS HATE HIM, TANKS LOVE HIM. FIND OUT HIS SECRETS HERE!"
oblique garnet
Should i take Overwhelming Power as a 2nd trait or Gutripper?
old night
power
candid cove
Power is basically at worst a 12.5 second haste proc?
chrome falcon
Power should really tell you on the tooltip that it has an ICD on its stacks dropping
candid cove
Then they’ll have to nerf it
sick sentinel
fury! ❤
lost mauve
well i finally grew a spine and tanked a +5
lost mauve
went decently
junior ivy
thats good to hear @lost mauve
chrome falcon
370 DC SHOULDERS BOYZ
chrome falcon
- Nice
- How the fuck did you pull 4 packs at once
Did you just godlike CC infested mobs
midnight ferry
cc infested
and pull rest
at the beginning
also packs after first boss
b4 they run away after you kill boss
oblique garnet
Arent those the ones that play pingpong with you?
sick sentinel
you can intercept the guy you are being thrown to or somebody near him
and take no damage
near turtle
Hmm... 345 Jes’ Howler or 340 Rezan’s eye??
I love rezan’s but howler is an on paper upgrade
near turtle
Yeah it’s a toughy
sick sentinel
I love the haste. but jew howler is good too, although only ever 2min for 10s.
near turtle
Exactly. Haste is so sexy and it’s passive activation with frequent proc. Howler seems like an extra oh shit button
Maybe keep both and use howler if the group makes a lot of mistakes?
Rezans is great for mythic speed runs
midnight ferry
iron fortress damage is such garbage, does less damage than devastate overall
that is stacking 2 iron fortress
sick sentinel
Me 2 IF + DC. Unfortunately, that's what I get no higher ilvl with bfi
Waiting for the day that'll never come, a 385 azerite from weekly chest that's not shit.
Or just same cloak x4 meme (not true, since I did get a 380 wf and socket shield this week)
midnight ferry
Are good azerite piece exclusive to weekly cache, uldir all have bad traits
dusk minnow
Where is the best place to learn dungeon routes and such? Getting more into Mythic Plus and eant to prepare
amber siren
Streams and videos mostly
junior ivy
i need a demo shout weakaura
round vortex
@dusk minnow Check out Jdotb on twitch. He has pathing guides as well in his vods
raven kernel
I mostly learned by trial and error
round vortex
@junior ivy What would you want the weak aura to do?
junior ivy
umm
i want it to show me in a big obvious way how much time is left on demo shout
every time i TC
i wanna see it add the time
round vortex
It's hard because it's a debuff on the mobs individually. So there isn't a good way that say one icon can do that
junior ivy
😦
raven kernel
Just show time for current target
round vortex
I personally use Threat Plates. And have it show my debuffs on the target. Works really well.
junior ivy
oh ok 😦
odd storm
Hello all. Running a Prot Warrior to pair with my wife's Pally as she learns the game.
round vortex
@junior ivy Looks like this. You can make it bigger if you like but that's how i have it.
sick sentinel
@junior ivy I will PM you my WA it's really really good
round vortex
Its Threat Plates - KUI should do the same thing I think 😃
eager hedge
Not bad
midnight ferry
world emissary can drop dungeon piece ????????
eager hedge
Well, i got that as a reward from voldun
midnight ferry
as for alliance world emissary only drops 7th legion azerite piece so far
for me
guess it is zone dependent
fml
raven kernel
Shimmering..
eager hedge
Yeah, beside that trait tho
raven kernel
Nothing better?
eager hedge
Nope
At least that i remember, i just kinda picked the traits real quick and logged off
Oh, it actually has Blood Siphon. My bad
oblique garnet
@junior ivy elvuis boss frames show the time left pretty clearly
junior ivy
i dont use elvui 😦
oblique garnet
I dont even use weakauras🤔
junior ivy
whaaat
oblique garnet
Whats the benefit of them? I can keep track of my cds without them i can keep track of my buffs etc through elvui
junior ivy
my fav weakaura does this
i clcik someone adn it tells me which mount theyre on
and how to get it
and if i have it
lime lodge
what do you think are the chances prot will be good again soon? I rerolled to blood DK at the start of BfA and I'm enjoying it but missing my warrior
hot locust
who knows
oblique garnet
Just play whatever you enjoy unless youre cutting edge raider
fossil sparrow
good again soon? unlikely
round vortex
So I tanked an AD + 11 on my alt last night (5 hours at 120 and is now ilvl 344). Guild helped me out and this dropped. GG best ilvl ring in our guild rotting on my busted ass monk alt lol
My warrior is Main is salty at my alt haha
hot topaz
Hey squadfam, how many iLvl is Deafening Crash worth?
hot topaz
God dammit
round vortex
this ^ x 100000
hot topaz
So I need to keep my 340 helm on
round vortex
Yeah it's depressing haha
hot topaz
I have a good helm with Brace for Impact but I thought DC was too strong
Thanks squadfam
round vortex
Yeah I have 370's in the bags to make way for 355 and 340 lol
dull ibex
where do i uninstall my brain
i tried to pug a 10 underrot and the healer told me to 'stop taking less damage' at 93% mana ????
candid cove
I mean I’m hoping to find a dc on the Azerite caches if they ever fix the rng scaling.
Stop taking less damage is a good thing right?
oblique garnet
It worked fine on eu
dull ibex
put 2 rejuv on me, lifebloom, cenarion ward efflo and regrowth on me
all his hots
and then went cat for the next 5min
fucking jdotb wannabe
dull ibex
i understand in some packs
candid cove
Did Hghuun last night and as long as I was healed it was Gucci. But come tank swaps and then them focusing the dh it got a bit scary.
dull ibex
but when i have 9 stacks of ticks because nobody went to cc
i died in 4 sec since the DH went full retard and bursted them all
candid cove
At least they nerfed the ticks
candid cove
Thinking of just going full meme dps traits.
umbral raptor
So, no matter how high the ilvl upgrade is, I should not replace my piece that has the deafening crash trait? My shoulders are 345, and the new one I got is 375 with brace impact.
raven kernel
Not unless you get dc on another slot
umbral raptor
I don't
dark lark
two quick q's: do you guys rotate avatar/demo and last stand? ie avatar/demo/tc spam on trash pack 1, then last stand on trash pack 2, avatar/demo/tc spam on trash pack 3? and if so, does it matter which cd you use first due to cooldown lengths?
2nd question: any good prot warriors regularly doing M+'s on stream? looking for someone to watch and learn from
oblique garnet
Sco sometimes streams on his warrior
sick sentinel
you can watch sense he generaly streams mythic progression and m+ keys also uploads it to youtube
oblique garnet
Oh he does?
brittle timber
https://www.twitch.tv/snse Yea, Sense seems to be our beacon of hope lately
sick sentinel
well no one really watchs sco when you can watch sense tbh
oblique garnet
Im not from usa so probably hard to catch senses streams
dark lark
havent seen sco do any late content on his war, just his bm
sick sentinel
anyway for your first question yes you do want to use your cds but not to much always keep block up rotate beetwen cds for survival and kite if you dont have mitigation
oblique garnet
He did a couple of m+
sick sentinel
last stand/block/shield wall/Ds use them always yet dont stack em all on one pull
static lance
I don't use CDs for every trash pack, cos some trash don't need CDs.
brittle timber
Are we still even counting demo shout as a CD anymore?
sick sentinel
well yeah im talking about overall
static lance
Not really. I guess I'm talking about Avatar and LS
but you dont really Avatar without using DS at the same time
junior ivy
at last boss of motherlode 9 with 4 people
we are 2-healing, 1-tanking and 1-dpsing thsi fight
stupid? probably
but we are desperate
static lance
that boss isnt that tough, is it?
oblique garnet
You can just watch for the flying mimirons to see where the bombs go
those hit the hardest anyway
primal crypt
wait what??
why you 2 healing @junior ivy
deja vu
you've been down this road before
I remember you being at the last boss of some dungeon
two healing....
royal oasis
Got SBs recharge down to 13 with 5 stacks of fray...we Legion now
junior ivy
you might remember me 2 tanking the last boss of seat 21
cxause we've done that before
or 2 tanking last boss of atal dazar once
dull coral
So does prot warrior just not have an apl available to sim dps with?
dusk minnow
Sense needs to do some guides or something LOL. Or maybe some commentary on his M+ runs and why he does what
vagrant cape
@dull coral we have an apl, we don't have the skills updated for bfa
dull coral
Hmm so thats a raidbots issue then and not something that the prot theorycrafters or whatever can fix?
raidbots just has the wrong skills stored?
oblique garnet
Ah pug underrot best experience we get the first boss down and everyone leaves because our wlock released instead of waiting for ress ( we skipped the platform)
oblique garnet
wasnt my key
dull coral
Don't you have to run the entire dungeon without wiping if you skip platform? xD
oblique garnet
yes
oblique garnet
Trust me its bad when im the only one interrupting the casts
dusk minnow
I love having my weakaura to see how many people aren't interuppting
its like "you havent used your interrupt once yet, L2P!"
oblique garnet
How bad is shrine +11 this week?
vagrant cape
eh
oblique garnet
Do those fucking raindrop get bolstering?
oblique garnet
Oh thank god
dusk minnow
grats
vagrant cape
grats!
that fight can be hectic af
I just realized that I hit the soft cap of block reduction
after 42.5% block reduction your crit blocks don't get any stronger
thorn yarrow
You know what's really fun +10 temple if Seth 3rd boss straight AiDs
oblique garnet
The training dummy?
sick sentinel
12.5% parry, dissipating down to 3% at 3-0s
dark lark
@royal oasis how much unbuffed haste do you have then? Is sb at 100% uptime?
sick sentinel
My man Sense doing work pve and pvp. ♥
old night
365 to 370 shield is still upgrade regardless of stats right
we only look at secondaries when they're the same ilvl right
old night
just makin sure. thanks my dude
neon tangle
Any thoughts? I think socket, idk how valuable avoidance is
zinc mauve
they're about equal, but i'd say the m9 piece is better due to the inclusion of avoidance on top of the increased stats
it sucks that neither of them have haste though or at least versatility instead of crit
neon tangle
Technically the 360 has 40 haste 😛
zinc mauve
technically yes, unless that 40 haste makes your haste higher than your mastery/versatility, then its not that different
neon tangle
oh yeah, that boat has sailed for now
zinc mauve
the haste being the highest secondary is simple for uldir reorigination stacks
amber siren
Tbh both would be pretty close, I honestly don't think you could pick a 'wrong one'
Like I would lean more towards haste bcs I find that more fun
But that's my opinion
neon tangle
maybe the avoidance could help me survive zul from KR
sick sentinel
1,000ish haste, 700ish vers, 640 crit, 800ish mastery
neon tangle
yeah but do you have 24% parry?
sick sentinel
Gonna be high 29, maybe 30 neck by end of this new week.
sick sentinel
PRAYING FOR AZERITE 385 WEEKLY CACHE
woeful reef
^
neon tangle
My neck is 23 and honestly idgaf
sick sentinel
Nah, I just do a lot of mythic+ that give only ap at end.
Ontop of ap wqs, daily rando heroic, bgs,
Mythic islands
If I had real free time, I'd heroic/mythic raid.
zinc mauve
how do i figure out what ilvl garbage im gonna get from the weekly?
neon tangle
there's a chart on ivy veins
zinc mauve
so i should get a 385 piece
cinder nova
It's so bad.
zinc mauve
swear to god if i get another god damn sword
oblique pike
?
oblique pike
lol
cinder nova
Ah excuse me it did 96 DPS.
Still not that impressive.
They may have increase the PPM because my Mythic Taloc kill I did ~180 DPS with it.
oblique pike
can you link the log?
cinder nova
I mean, I still use it because it's heads and shoulders better than my 365 mace
But still.
If you had to choose between a 360 weapon with crit/mast and this?
I'd go with the crit/mast
oblique pike
got ya, well i did replace a 325 weapon with a 360 of it
but needed to know what would replace it lol
zinc mauve
hey a 1% damage increase tho
cinder nova
It's not very inspiring
Proc rate needs to increase
or the damage per proc
otherwise it's just a DK wep
oblique pike
i mean on ur mythrax heroic fight
it did 120 dps
which is equivalent to like... 100 str
thats not... bad
zinc mauve
damage is damage
oblique pike
it'll probably get out-shined by any other weapon at its ilvl
but its probably not like you'd equip a lower ilvl over it
carmine ibex
I opted to use 365 crit/vers mace over the 370 servant splitter
5 ilvls down for a set of secondary stats seems. worth it
oblique pike
maybe defensively?
carmine ibex
yeah
I care more about staying alive than I do about the slight increase in DPS from the 5 ilvls.
it was either a shitty proc or 45 crit and 70 vers
I still keep it in my bag for when I want a tiny bit more damage, like in lower keys or something
ember arrow
thats not how it works
higher ilvl = more secondary stats
secondaries are close enough that its not worth it to equip lower ilvl except on rings
the difference between 2 weapons is so marginal either way that it doesnt matter
ember arrow
people come ask about secondary stats and ilvl, even though that has almost no impact on ur survivability
people dont come here aasking how to do pulls, or how to handle bosses, they argue secondaries
yes it has none
but it wont make ur healer suddenly go: "holy shit this guy is squishy, if only he had a 5ilvl lower weapon with secondaries"
carmine ibex
just because there are bigger gains to be had through other factors (such as fixing playstyle) doesn't mean that it's not a valid concern/question. min/maxing is a thing.
ember arrow
not really
survival is 95% gameplay
seocndaries matter very little in bfa
i didnt say its not a valid question, i just pointed out how unimpactful it is for what is tried to achieve
manic perch
i got a 355 IF chest yesterday replacing my 340 BFI is it really worth thou?
obtuse venture
yes
manic perch
ok cool thanks just wanted to make sure, im 4 ilvl short of getting 370 damn rng
ember arrow
your ilvl displays as highest possible to others
doesnt matter what you equip as long as your highest ilvl pieces are in your bag
gusty sky
What would you go for as a trinket, a trinket with a haste proc or a trinket with a survivability buff triggered by low health.
obtuse venture
haste proc
zinc mauve
the survivability buff would help a bit, but as a warrior, if you get to low health and arent already kiting (assuming mythic plus), you're already dead
gusty sky
Is there a gear linking macro in here?
zinc mauve
you can just post your armory page
zinc mauve
if you want to link specific items, take a screenshot
zinc mauve
hmm
for raiding the survivability one, for mythic +, the haste
thats what i would do
gusty sky
As of now I've been using the extra survivability on progress bosses
and haste for most other stuff
yea, sounds about what I'm doing.
zinc mauve
are you getting haste from your reorigination array?
out of curiousity, whats your other trinket anyhow?
zinc mauve
a bit defensive but i think thats a safe bet if you're doing prog
now that im looking at it, the vieled eye would be much better if it was an on-use trinket rather than a trigger
most boss mechanics that would benefit from this trinket kinda fall flat on some fights since a tank swap will nullify the buff completely except on certain bosses
gusty sky
Honestly, I haven't checked
And I know my stats balance isn't superb since I've mostly been going for high ilevel.
zinc mauve
hmmm on second thought, its useful for every fight in uldir except perhaps Zekvoz
gusty sky
From what it looks like I'd be getting crit from the Reorigination Array
zinc mauve
whats your progress in uldir, out of curiousity
gusty sky
7/8 heroic
zinc mauve
plus the first week we raided, Vectis was nearly impossible for our group
zinc mauve
Vectis was wayyy overtuned for small raids
its better now but still definitely one of the harder fights
gusty sky
I don't like Zul, he hits like a train...
oblique garnet
o.o just cc the hexers and nuke it down to p2 or not enough dps?
gusty sky
haha that is pretty funny 😃
The problem isn't the adds, the problem is the time it takes to drop off the debuff, we have paladins on BOP rotation to drop it off quicker
zinc mauve
with 10 players and no monks, we are lacking in the CC department
zinc mauve
although i will consider that strategy next week, i cannot say i had considered it
comp is variable
zinc mauve
im our only warrior
leaden kernel
the way my guild does it if we cant kill zul in time is first tank takes 2 stacks, second takes 4 then probably dies in a corner then just brezz, and keep up with that but never had to yet
gusty sky
I'm gearing a monk to replace mine.. 😦
zinc mauve
with a pally just have them take stacks till they are gonna get fugged and then just bop it off in a corner
gusty sky
Aussie, that sound sabout how we do it too.
oblique garnet
its all about the healers at that point i just try to save healthstones and last stand when im dropping the debuff
gusty sky
but that's just ridic, shouldn't rely on bress as a tectic :p
zinc mauve
with our 3 tank we had a Warrior (me), pally, and a bdk
leaden kernel
its takes 20 seconds to drop without outside sources, a stakc gets applied every 6 seconds
zinc mauve
pally had enough sustain and bop to be able to handle the debuffs themself, bdk was, well, a bdk so they were fine
leaden kernel
its super tight but you can smoothly rotate at 3 stacks im pretty sure
oblique garnet
You can take 4 stacks of the debuff if you just go behind the boss where your raid should be stacking for the heal and then ask a healer to come with you when you go drop the debuff
zinc mauve
i think next week my group will just lust and battle-pot right at the start and try get to phase 2 super fast
leaden kernel
both dk and pally canheal themselves while oftanking to offset the damage, we have to spam ignore pain
zinc mauve
i wish i had my logs with me atm; doesnt zul just melee the fuck out of you in phase 2?
and the stacking phys debuff
leaden kernel
a lot of magic damage from a dot
its perfectly survivable but its just eassier for me to tell my healers to let me die then brezz me
saves their mana
we got super fucked when we first did it when all the guides said swap at 2 stacks
oblique garnet
Well true but ideally with the nuke it down tactic they shouldnt have that low of an mana at that point
zinc mauve
so late, do you suggest just keeping the casters CC'd the whole fight?
leaden kernel
its a super good tactic if you raid has the dps
oblique garnet
Yeah if you get the 2nd hexers you basically wipe so you gotta have alot of dps to get zul down to p2 before the 2nd wave of hexers spawn
leaden kernel
we can do it on normal but arnt up to heroic to see how my guild fairs
zinc mauve
hmmm i see
oblique garnet
With 10 man comp idk how much health zul has on hc
zinc mauve
our guild is 7/8 N, havent attempted ghuun since it seems very difficult for 10 mans
so we pushed heroic this week, had to figure out a new strat for vectis that we got working now so we have that handled
leaden kernel
that would suck, it would become incredibly reliant on class setups
zinc mauve
yeah
thats part of hte reason why we havent tried
we dont want to pugg too many people
oblique garnet
Well yeah true it all depends if you have warlock and 3 warriors who can solo the orbs since the debuff is 2 mins
zinc mauve
especially healers; last time we pugged healers, we got a priest that just spammed flash heal
their only damage was a single melee hit
i wish i was joking
there was also a resto druid who only used 8 moonfires throughout the entire raid
oblique garnet
Those pug warriors who say then can solo the orb are the best when they fuck up the orb and then blame the raid for wiping
leaden kernel
dps on healers is so easy, not everything needs constant healing and they usually have some free mana dps spell to spam
zinc mauve
yeah, i know healing is hard on some fights so i can understand lacking dps
leaden kernel
i remember antorus on my shaman getting 99% dps parses every fight from just putting flame shock everytime i accidently hit the key
zinc mauve
but if you have 20 dps, unless you are parsing 100% on healing, you have no excuse
when i push m+, part of the reason we complete on time is cause my priest has damage that is somewhat close to mine
cinder roost
I lead a PUG raid on Zul HC for the past 2 weeks, went for the BL at start, keep both Hex CC all fight strat, it's a breeze
For Tanks I get 4-5 stacks then jump suicide or BoP if we have Pal
Don't need BR anywhere else anyway
leaden kernel
yeah i didnt know bop dropped it until i just joined talking along here, we got 8 pallies so zul is defiantly a new easy mode for me
finally a reason to use that cancel aura macro that every guide ever tells you to have
zinc mauve
i should get one of those
oblique garnet
Tell them to stop hogging our spots in m+
zinc mauve
so i was curious and looked at the damage/hp scaling on high level keys
i like how it increases by almost 100% from 12 to 15
zinc mauve
true
leaden kernel
imagine that on tyranical, harder and more boring than any mythic fight
oblique garnet
add bolstering to that
zinc mauve
Is the Shadow of Zul, miniboss before last one in King's Rest; is that affected by Tyrannical or fortified?
leaden kernel
thankfully every time i do that i usaully have a hunter or shammy, who can tank magic damage far better than i can
zinc mauve
yep, 'merica fuck no
oblique garnet
Idk teeming+tyrannical+volcanic
zinc mauve
volcanic is basically 'dont stand in bad' if i recall
oblique garnet
yeah pretty much
zinc mauve
teeming and tyranical seems like a good combo to me
oblique garnet
There are like few trashpacks that are aids with teeming
leaden kernel
iits a pretty easy combo but its a time muncher
zinc mauve
but its not foritfied so its not turbo cancer
oblique garnet
True
zinc mauve
2 weeks ago on us, it was Fortified, Teeming, QUACKING NOT SSKITTISH
leaden kernel
and mixed packs are always a little dangerous with certain enemies, so adding more into each pack can make big pulls suicidal
leaden kernel
i still find it more comfortable to pull than bulstering
zinc mauve
bolstering has high wipe potential, just about as much as necrotic
if a mob bolsters too high it is almost worth it to suicide and reset the thing
leaden kernel
its whenever packs of mobs have variaring health
anyone bolster the giants in kings rest with the shadows of zul?
zinc mauve
the packmaster rats in Freehold come to mind
this week there was one packmaster pack that was infested
which actually made it much easier
you just focused the big rat and it would heal up the smaller bois constantly
mega easy
oblique garnet
The rat didnt hurt that much if you just took that pack alone
zinc mauve
its not even it hurting much, if you bolstered it up it just took a decade and a half to kill
leaden kernel
no point antaganising them, we used to get enough people comming in here and telling us why were even bother playing prot when dk is better
zinc mauve
because i like being an alpha with a shield than an edgemaster
that and im a sucker for sword and board
leaden kernel
toping the dps meter on trash is all i need to justify my choices
oblique garnet
I like warrior because if you fuck up you die which is nice
leaden kernel
taking less damage than dps on some bosses
zinc mauve
transmogging myself as a guard and roleplaying as a lost npc is all i need to justify my choices
tight tree
Not antagonising. I have Blood alt. But i enjoy their hate on warriors
zinc mauve
you havent lived till you've seen a stormwind guard tank fetid devourer
leaden kernel
remember at the start of legion when warriors for fucking broken and everyone though blood dk was absolute shit
zinc mauve
ah yes, the blessed 'old man jenkins' transmog
truly god tier
almost as good as the clown suit
leaden kernel
we got a farmer joe mage with a chicken drumstick in our raid
tight tree
quiet kettle
that is incredibly true
zinc mauve
story of my life
tight tree
I am dead serious and rocking blackrock armor all the time ;/
zinc mauve
jumping into the fray is more fun than charging in
quiet kettle
90% of prot wars ive seen do not use intercept enough
oblique garnet
I did the lvl 15 tauren warrior freshly out of deadmines look but my guild got tired of watching my mustard colored cape waving as i tanked
zinc mauve
mustard coloured cape? colour me intrigued
leaden kernel
dont use intercept on you co tank during tank mechanics, you might fuck up the rythm
quiet kettle
lol never
quiet kettle
u focus target a rogue
leaden kernel
yeah thats waht got me
zinc mauve
2x shatter = ???????? ded
oblique garnet
You know Amaurus that type of gear which you got when you first started playing without heirlooms and all
leaden kernel
i rock the new honerbound stuff but use to old orgrimar shoulders, to rep the horde
zinc mauve
i know i have some platelegs that make me look like a bananamancer
quiet kettle
that or a pet
oblique garnet
Its a shame there arent many good transmogs for highmountain taurens
quiet kettle
amaurus our guild has xmog competitions with a theme for each month
leaden kernel
get used to never wearing a helmet
quiet kettle
this was one of our wars for yellow month
leaden kernel
though the jawpiece ones from wrath pvp look pretty good
zinc mauve
i think my favorite mother wipe was when my guild first did it, the tank didnt get the memo on when he should cross; crossed immediately with the first group and when someone yelled "DONT CROSS THE FIELD (tank's name)" he brings it back
oblique garnet
The prideful gladiator set hides the antlers
zinc mauve
the other people who crossed with him came back too, wiping the group almost immediately
quiet kettle
ya thats some bad understanding
zinc mauve
and thats how you make memes into dreams
quiet kettle
our guild just needed coordination on 1st/2nd group setups
oblique garnet
Our first try on mother was bit of my mistake the room was at 50% and i said that the rest should go and half of the people went in and we died
Now we just kill it in the first room
And if for some reason we dont have enough dps to kill it in the first room we send a clutch group to kill it in the 2nd
leaden kernel
i would love to try the disc bubble, shammy spirit totem trick where everyone goes at once
round vortex
It's really good
my advice - do half and half. like 2-3 seconds apart
when she hits 80 engery there will be fire then wind - after that start the corrsing
even if you lose 75% of the raid she will be at 20% and they can finish her off easy as
oblique garnet
From first room to 2nd or?
weary nacelle
this is an arms item. Test of might + Azerite
shut rapids
This is #protection
weary nacelle
Eaxctly. And the traits listed are bad for protection
shut rapids
Thanks for your help @weary nacelle very helpful I'll ping you again next time
fathom marten
I never do mythic plus
quiet kettle
cause there's so few prot wars in m+
untold thunder
prot warr in m+ 🤔
quiet kettle
ya like 4 weeks in there was 7 prot war m+ logs at 11+ iirc
weary nacelle
@shut rapids , i feel you're being ironic. But you're wrong. I am telling you the truth. This item is not good for protection based on the listed traits. The arms ones are much better. So if you're just using this one for the item levle, you would better find a lower one with better traits.
shut rapids
So if you're just using this one for the item levle, you would better find a lower one with better traits.
Opinion instantly discarded
On the finger snap
weary nacelle
Sounds good. You do you, buddy.
fathom marten
@quiet kettle lol yeah true. Just surprised. I've put like zero effort into that content because I feel awful doing it. Have much of a better time on my monk or dh tanking m+
shut rapids
You go with your 340 pieces because the traits give you 5% more something instead of giving you 15% worth of main stat
Imagine not being able to choose between A and B and instead arguing for C the entire time
untold thunder
But prot warriors also really need that stamina and armor
zinc mauve
if i had more time i could be higher ranked on raider io grr my e-peen number NEED BE HIGHER
quiet kettle
ohyou that argument would fail if u were trying to replace deafening crash
with 1 of those
just as an example
fathom marten
@zinc mauve I mean yeah I can say that as well. I do one or two 9 or 10s a week and I'm in the top 10. Number one was a +12
shut rapids
104 armor, 132 strength and 262 stamina is worse than not having deafening crash, got it my boi
zinc mauve
yeah my realm isnt that far off either
shut rapids
Turns out prot warriors suck because apparently everyone are pretty bad at gearing and give bad advice lol
zinc mauve
#1 on my realm is +13
zinc mauve
im #5 on my realm right now
untold thunder
what is deafening crash again?
quiet kettle
ohyou have u actually read deafening crash?
quiet kettle
as amaurus said, its god tier trait
untold thunder
:o
quiet kettle
u wanna replace it? u better have it sumwhere else to keep it going
zinc mauve
DC is a massive dps increase AND survivability increase
fathom marten
At this point it's a needed trait
zinc mauve
thats why its so good
fathom marten
I cant imagine tanking heroic fetid without it
quiet kettle
i cant imagine tanking without it
untold thunder
oooo it's that one
quiet kettle
period
obtuse venture
For M+ DC is almost mandatory. I'd easily drop 45 ilvls to have DC
shut rapids
Thanks for the gearing advice guys I'll come back later
fathom marten
Do prot pally do terrible on that fight?
quiet kettle
instead of getting upset at us
shut rapids
@quiet kettle how
fathom marten
We had to switch out my off tank prot pally with a bdk
shut rapids
You're pretending right?
stone crag
🤔
fathom marten
Because he was taking like twice the damage as me
obtuse venture
i know ppl running M+ still wearing 340 azerite for DC when they have like 370 stuff. that 30ilvl is nothing when you can have 20+sec demo shouts
shut rapids
I asked between the 2 traits and being dragged all over the traits discussion since then
Literally between 2 options
A and B
fathom marten
Even when we switched of who's taking the thrashers
shut rapids
And I'm being dragged all over the traits discussion since then
quiet kettle
ok better question then
shut rapids
Are you pretending?
quiet kettle
what is the item ur replacing
shut rapids
You must be pretending
steady dock
@shut rapids toss a coin
sick sentinel
@shut rapids between what traits?
steady dock
And just pick whichever
untold thunder
would you then use unstoppable force together with deafening crash to keep it up as long as possible?
shut rapids
sick sentinel
You just sent 1 iten
shut rapids
It's literally up there
steady dock
Both are bad, as pretty much everyone suggested
shut rapids
I asked it
quiet kettle
^
shut rapids
Nothing
zinc mauve
wtf is that top left trait
quiet kettle
then reinforced plating
shut rapids
I don't even have a 300ilvl piece, this is my only 370 piece
amber siren
It's a PVP piece
quiet kettle
cause its a fucking defensive trait
stone crag
pvp one
quiet kettle
it'll actually do sumthing outside pvp
obtuse venture
I think pvp traits have shitty proc rates in normal pvp
zinc mauve
reinforced plating isnt bad, its just not as good as the other traits
even callous reprisal is better than it
sick sentinel
Reinforced planting, I guess
shut rapids
Ok thanks
fathom marten
Wow az s are increasingly becoming more of a problems
untold thunder
i think pvp traits are kinda trash