Probably not but if they are pushing for it, they wouldn't do it half assed.
#protection
woeful reef
MDI gets boring watching 3/5 or 4/5 of the same classes in every. single. game.
chilly brook
@grim prism more people watched last years MDI than the rocket league world championship
¯_(ツ)_/¯
And that’s just one angle of WoW esports
lusty grotto
Lol
vital wren
You guys seem to have forgotten that WoW is a game afterall. Making rocket science outta every little number like your lives depend on it
chilly brook
You say the viewership matters compared to other esports titles now you say it doesn’t
🤔
vital wren
Being honest with u atm
grim prism
@vital wren this is probably the last discord you can accuse of that considering we dont even have sims
thin mortar
That's how winning is done Thunder
chilly brook
I thought winning was done by chilling with Charley Sheen
vital wren
Time will pass from events that are happening right now and noone will remember
leaden kernel
I just see this as how we have dun
vital wren
I'm an optimist btw xD
grim prism
@chilly brook MDI has twice as many viewers than Rocket League, and OWL has at least twice as many viewers as MDI
They are not even in the same tier
chilly brook
And RL is a huge name in esports my guy
leaden kernel
If I didn’t enjoy getting pissed at game I wouldn’t of spent 5 of them playing lol and dota
thorn yarrow
^
grim prism
RL is huge, MDI is huger, OWL is hugerer
vital wren
And yet people keep playing WoW even tho they say it's the worst xpac :X
grim prism
Idk how youre not grasping this concept tbh
thorn yarrow
because Im dummer+
thorn yarrow
if the next words u type arent hur dur I wont understand
grim prism
Its significant
sick sentinel
In some mobs, dungeon when not skittish, paladins can go full on captain America tanking and dont take damage
grim prism
But hurr dee durr
sick sentinel
Esp on necrotic
grim prism
Etc
thorn yarrow
❤
vital wren
Whats the point of gearing up when after some time it becomes irrelevant hurr durr
thorn yarrow
ok but Thanos did nothing wrong
chilly brook
That’s not what you said @grim prism
grim prism
When one stares into the emissary cache, the emissary cache stares also back into thee
uneven mason
Lootboxes with consumeables to give Warriors BDK abilities inc to WoW confirmed
chilly brook
And blizz also doesn’t put their eggs in one basket, that being said OWL has done things no other esports has ever done
Mainly the franchising
@vital wren what are you even on about ? I’m confused
leaden kernel
Everything blizzard works on creates a standard no point in ignoring it, as it can be used as comparison on what’s shitty and what’s good
sick sentinel
I had a group of friends that I played other games with and they got REALLY into rocket league
I'm not playing with them anymore
leaden kernel
It’s a fun game, but I own lots of fun games
grim prism
Seems fun but all my time is going to be dumped into Switch this winter
Mario Party
Smash Bros
Spread it on me dude
I'm going 90s on my poor dipshit nephews
leaden kernel
It really sucks when your mates don’t have all the fun games you have
sick sentinel
It's a fun game, but we transitioned to playing a lot of fun games to playing only one game and try harding
grim prism
Be like me, dont have mates
chilly brook
Didn’t know RL had franchise spots that were $20m
grim prism
Wow me either
sick sentinel
Also Aussie I feel you
old night
whats up dudes
sick sentinel
I play Mario party 4 almost weekly, shit's so good
chilly brook
I’d be playing rocket league if I didn’t have to pay Nintendo to play online for a game I used to be able to play for free online
¯_(ツ)_/¯
leaden kernel
Oof
chilly brook
And I don’t feel like buying it for pc
grim prism
I'll just use the $15 from my cancelled WoW sub for Nintendo Online 😬
See yall next tier
sick sentinel
Film, we came to the conclusion that stacking mastery and crit is better for m+ than haste
leaden kernel
See ya next grand scheme
chilly brook
Lul
grim prism
Yeah we did kind of come to that conclusion didnt we
chilly brook
TBH Nintendo online really isn’t a bad deal
steel mauve
I strongly dislike the fact that super mario party is online only woth minigames and no board game function
chilly brook
I’m just too broke rn
leaden kernel
I think that all games that were already online stayed free and the new ones were payed
steel mauve
Thats because nintendo still treat online play like a bane
sick sentinel
The new Spider-Man game is the first actually good Spider-Man game
uneven mason
@sick sentinel My Spiderman for the Sega Genesis begs to differ
leaden kernel
Your right I was just making a suggestion on what I would of liked as a compramise
old night
yeah, shes a huge spiderman fan in general so she was happy to get it
grim prism
There was a good spiderman game for the PS2 i think
grim prism
I remember a spectacularly shitty N64 one
old night
pizza delivery
grim prism
Which I played endlessly anyway
sick sentinel
You tagged the wrong captain lol
grim prism
All I distinctly remember is the "unlock everything" cheat was TRUBLEVR
And it plays a Stan Lee voice blurb when you enter it
leaden kernel
Ah cheat codes that’s a bloody nostalgia trip
grim prism
I have so many of those burnt into muscle memory
old night
okay so I have a quick question before I go to my usual shitposting.
Doing mythic mother tonight. Last few pulls (first we've done) on her I went with group 1. I for some reason can not get aggro on everything. Including the bacterium. Am I just an idiot?
chilly brook
I remember the PS1 Spider-Man where there’s no actual city just a bunch of roofs and your webs attach to clouds that are nowhere to be seen
leaden kernel
Yeah I could probs do the gta weapon codes if I got my hand on a ps2 controller
grim prism
Turok was NTHDTHDGDCRTKTRK, which I didnt realize until two years ago is "on the eighth day, god created turok" without vowels
old night
sim city 3000 "callcousinvinny"
grim prism
LOL
chilly brook
I still use console commands in Skyrim because I can’t be bothered grinding the crafting trees
¯_(ツ)_/¯
grim prism
Thats recursive oldness
junior ivy
i used to use cheats on tony hawks pro skater games sometimes
leaden kernel
I remember Jurassic park genesis, I couldn’t play without the cheat codes
grim prism
A dated pop culture reference in a dated game
junior ivy
that gave you perfect balance
old zephyr
@old night I make sure I have avatar ready and everything is good for me
old night
kk
old zephyr
My co-tank can't get proper aggro, but I have no issues
chilly brook
I think the only cheat code I remember off the top of my head is “thereisnocowlevel” oh and “iseedeadpeople”
old night
That might be it
leaden kernel
Yah though there was the illustrious play as a dinosaur cheat I couldn’t never find if it was real or not
grim prism
Bro you could play as a raptor for one of the two campaigns for free lol
Either that or i was cheating the whole time
Could be either one
That was a long time ago and I've smoked a lot of weed since then
Tbqh
leaden kernel
I wouldn’t know my ps2 and games were sold for a sweet $200
Felt like stabbing myself with a knife since I had about 70 games
But I just didn’t play any of them anymore
grim prism
At the very least, it was the best DVD player you ever had
leaden kernel
Become a Xbox halo/cod bro
old night
Im geniunely surprised how bad xbox fucked up this console cycle
chilly brook
Anyone else miss the days of the original Xbox with Halo and KOTOR
grim prism
Okay so I loved KOTOR with a burning passion
Tried to play it again for nostalgia this year
It did not age well
old night
like microsoft managed to make a console that is pretty useless all around
leaden kernel
I Bailey played kotor but I played the shot out of jade empire
chilly brook
Good, if only Sony would release their games on steam
old night
I saw their SotN re-release and I cried inside that it wasn't on steam
chilly brook
I have KOTOR on my phone
old night
which sucks
leaden kernel
I was unbelievably happy monster hunter world was coming to pc
grim prism
Checkm8 Yoshida
leaden kernel
I loved mh but not fuckingway I’m buying a console for it
old night
hot take: death stranding looks boring as fuck
old night
kojima could release a blank disc and people would eat it up and say its life changing
grim prism
Okay well Kojima fans are fucking weirdos just like him
So they probably are speaking their truth
leaden kernel
I live in a share house so I get to use someone else’s ps4 but I ain’t gonna buy games since I won’t be able to play them when I leave
old night
yeah its solid
grim prism
The gamecube remake was godtier as well
leaden kernel
I’m interesting in what he’lol do with out konamis shackles
grim prism
Preach
old night
also i died inside that day because Castlevania is in my top 3 game series of all time
chilly brook
TBH I don’t get why in Japan the switch can stream games like Resident Evil 7 but not here in the US
leaden kernel
4 Week long boss batlle
leaden kernel
Seeing the effort put into those fucking pachinko machines filled me with such fucking fury
You could take ignore pain of the gcd and I would still rage cap
old night
their CEO flat out said he hates video games
and that he was gonna turn konami into a profit making company
LOLOL ignore pain
grim prism
To be fair
What does Konami have that isnt Metal Gear that has been relevant in the past 10 years
old night
good point
leaden kernel
Japan is always so sideways sometimes
grim prism
I wonder what it would be like to live there
leaden kernel
Like they have some amazing shit but sometimes they just the worst
mellow bridge
Castlevania?
fierce juniper
leaden kernel
Sorry boss
grim prism
This was all a segue into how Konami designed prot wars
The clunky controls are designed to make the player feel a sense of real-life anxiety
primal crypt
LMFAO
grim prism
Kind of like silent hill but with brezzes instead of jump scares
leaden kernel
What’s the symbolism behind the rocks being unblocksble
grim prism
The rocks represent the unbreakable spirit of the japanese salaryman
Lmfao okay i'm done
Sorry
chilly brook
Lul
chilly brook
Do it you won’t
grim prism
Save it for Two Shield Tuesday
old night
I've been thinking what they could change in 8.1 and I still have no idea
@grim prism ❤
chilly brook
Bump IP up
leaden kernel
What do you guys think about ravages being a vortex that sucks shit it keeps it there like a reverse ring of peace
old night
I know its a heated discussion but I still think taking it off the GCD felt better
like we were kinda oofy in legion but it at least felt a lot better
imo
sick sentinel
Reverse ring of piece? Like the druid honor talent? 🤔
leaden kernel
Yes
old night
a gorfiend?
chilly brook
Oh and do something about lowering the CD of shield block
old night
stand in fire dps higher
sick sentinel
Karma
chilly brook
Basically take Lala’s reddit post to hear
Minus the nerfing AM
Make it baseline
But don’t nerf it blizz
old night
yeah agreed. Making shield block sandwiches with ignore pain is stupid af
which is most of the roto rn
sick sentinel
Shield block sandwiches?
leaden kernel
What if our master was similar to the old vengeance double down on as the dps tank
chilly brook
I mean I’d be ok with that
But then we might actually become mandatory tanks
And the community wouldn’t like that
old night
keeping IP up in some form so that you have some mitigation between CDs of shield block
chilly brook
xD
leaden kernel
Other master is the max percentage of increased damage or the rate of increased damage
vagrant cape
holy shnikies!!! 370 azerite cache is already in
I can complete my 7th legion emissary for a 370 piece
old night
i usually try and hit a higher ceiling before my SB goes on CD (i usually keep one charge up) so that I have something to rage dump into before the next SB comes off CD
rinse repeat
chilly brook
Too bad you won’t get any nice DC traits 🙃
leaden kernel
I know iv been making spelling mistakes for an hour now but it’s because iv got a very small phone and it’s 0400 here
chilly brook
1300 here
leaden kernel
Just don’t want you guys thinking I’m retarded
old zephyr
@vagrant cape eu ?
vagrant cape
I'm on NA
sick sentinel
Bloodsport makes the IP tracker to never go red and it is infuriating me
old night
that makes me think now... You guys dont double stack shield block right
vagrant cape
alliance NA
chilly brook
Couldn’t resist I mean nothing by that
old zephyr
I'm eu, i'm sad
leaden kernel
Dw I’m sure crit block works against mean words
old night
I've been told by multiple people on here its bad to
sick sentinel
Do not double stack on mythrax
sick sentinel
Becuase he casts beam after 6 sec
chilly brook
Just gotta make sure you have good rng first @leaden kernel
old night
so you should be double stacking SB?
stark sage
stacking Sb can starve you for blocks later on, its all based on the fight
chilly brook
^
sick sentinel
Also do not double stack on fetid
leaden kernel
You can double stack sb or wait till it’s almost over, just try not to waste any uptime since it’s so precious
stark sage
uh
chilly brook
On taloc I double stack
stark sage
you can waste uptime on block if you need it for a mechanic
sick sentinel
Basically doublestack only when you do not want to cap rage
old night
so my roto is usually hit SB rage dump into IP , wait for SB to come off CD then hit SB again. I usually keep one up just in case of something else
thats exactly what I do captain
sick sentinel
Then you are fine
leaden kernel
Since it’s of the gcd you can use it whenever you want tbh
old night
I can usually hit a decent IP ceiling while I have SB up to ride out until SB is off CD
thats what I meant by SB sandwiches earlier
its like SB uptime with raw ignore pain when it's off CD, then SB when its off CD
but I always try to keep one charge up unless i have to rage dump like captain said
primal crypt
Just pop bolsterlasterstand double shield block
leaden kernel
Ip caps at 1.3 doesn’t it
primal crypt
Then you can block forever
old night
if you see any of our kill videos you can hear me say "fuck me god damnit" at least once because of panic Last Stand shield blocks
they still get me
vagrant cape
same. I need to work on 2 things the most: not using sb during LS and intercepting for more rage
leaden kernel
Yeah I do it all the time but since I’m the only prot warrior on the horde for my server no one will ever know
old night
but based off what I told you is that the right mindset?
I feel dumb this expac. Like I'm still not getting the roto. Maybe it's me?
leaden kernel
So the scales emissary is out?
Holy shit it’s just giving 370 to everyone
That’s fucked up
stark sage
scales with your ilvl? or just 370 to fresh 120s
leaden kernel
I would assume Ilvl but I’m 360something
stark sage
yeah
mellow bridge
scales with ilvl for sure
old zephyr
My protwar is too fine to need it buta my reroll gonna be Happy
leaden kernel
It will pens be on my crashing thunder piece which tbh I’d rather not get rid of since that talent makes me feel strong
vagrant cape
oh man, I can't wait to complete that 370 cache thing tomorrow
old zephyr
Why n'ont today ?
kind urchin
It's still a 340 on my dk so it's scaling.
solid mist
optimizing!
leaden kernel
I wonder what there gonna do with the heart requirements next teir
kind urchin
You made it further than me. I quit caring about neck level at launch.
old zephyr
Champions gonna be account bound
leaden kernel
I’m 24 but I haven’t farms a piece of azurite since week 2
sick sentinel
I am not even doing islands
kind urchin
It's at 23 and I still don't care.
old zephyr
22 and don't give à dam
leaden kernel
As you shouldnt
ember arrow
If traits were good
sick sentinel
I cared because I wanted to get my double prydaz+gemhide
ember arrow
But they arent
leaden kernel
Hopefully everyone is low enough they don’t make the requirements to high next teir
ember arrow
@junior ivy
plain ice
LOL
ember arrow
U high?
sick sentinel
I also would like islands if I had someone to run them with lol
plain ice
he's high boyz
ember arrow
Did you assume catfriends gender
plain ice
shiet
primal crypt
Been selling the shit out of mythic islands
sick sentinel
mythic islands are trash lol
primal crypt
People buy the shit out of them
plain ice
why?
primal crypt
Idiots
plain ice
why do they buy them?
sick sentinel
farming HC is better
leaden kernel
I used islands to level my dk
junior ivy
well everyone hates islands but i like them
ember arrow
I wouldnt do islands if I got paid for it @primal crypt
ember arrow
A whole 10k
leaden kernel
Still didnt get the sick as fuck 2hander
ember arrow
Kappa
lusty grotto
i like islands too
ember arrow
Time to leave skyhold
lusty grotto
provided you're not stuck with afkers
primal crypt
Sometimes 5 min with good spawn
Oh, we have the buyer afk
So they dont mess up the pulls
lusty grotto
hmm 🤔
leaden kernel
And of the week is good you can actually use your doubloons on something usefull
leaden kernel
The exploding shield from last week was so broken on my dk leveling
sweet orchid
The nuke week was god tier
leaden kernel
Since everyone was scaled down but it
primal crypt
Yeah
I pull the whole island
And nuke everything
My rogue loots everything
Ez pz
sweet orchid
I think I still have one of those nukes in my inventory
neon tangle
370 Azerite pieces from the emissary quests are live
That’s cool
Maybe I can get a 370 DC
junior ivy
omg i keep dying
primal crypt
What you mean live
junior ivy
WAIT IS IT GUARANTEED 370
junior ivy
im likeeee
primal crypt
I dont see a 370 on my emissary....
ember arrow
@stark sage what is?
junior ivy
stark sage
emissary
ember arrow
What did i miss
primal crypt
My shit is 340....
ember arrow
Which emissary
stark sage
it drops 370 at cap now
junior ivy
so id get 370?
ember arrow
@primal crypt get rekt
stark sage
@junior ivy yeah i dont know what the requirement for the cap is but probably like 355
or 360
dull ibex
is battlefield focus any good?
raven kernel
try relogging if you dont see higher ilvl azerite
long mesa
hello beautiful warrior tanks... i am now a converted DPS main
onyx vessel
what you guys think 370 syringe vs 345 rezans
vagrant cape
rezan
onyx vessel
lame
junior ivy
hi potato
void quail
How are you guys dealing with the magic debuff on Zul in Phase 2. I feel like I don't have enough rage to mitigate the large ticking damage while running to drop the pool.
grim prism
370 Syringe could be gud for M+ tho
junior ivy
ken, die and get bresed thats how i deal with it
onyx vessel
archive of the titans with crit buff in raid or callous
void quail
haha...fair
onyx vessel
LUL
vagrant cape
it's not a magic debuff, it's a bleed
and if you have a pally, have them bop if off you after you get to the edge
you'll lose the debuff and drop the pool
void quail
Woah really?
vagrant cape
yeppers
old zephyr
BoP from à paly can do if they good
vagrant cape
they don't have to be that good if you call out "BoP [insert your name here]"
junior ivy
OH TRUE i dont die anymore
primal crypt
Yeah
junior ivy
iget bopped
solid mist
spam IP -> uh oh healers aren't keeping up I shoul dget out -> leap out -> die -> brez -> charge back in cause you a warrior
junior ivy
i forgot
grim prism
Bop it
dull ibex
is battlefield focus any good?
thorn yarrow
no
junior ivy
from this emisary?
thorn yarrow
no promises
dull ibex
if ur like 365
dull ibex
i got a 370 today
junior ivy
what do you mean
dull ibex
wat
vagrant cape
on reset day, your Ap crunches down
so if you were at 500/1000 you'll be 350/700 on reset
junior ivy
idc about ap i want 370 gear
vagrant cape
do you need the 370 gear for anything in particular that can't wait until reset?
vagrant cape
welp
vagrant cape
neck level contributes to ilvl too 😃
junior ivy
especially as prot warrior
like you gotta be super high ilvl for people to consider you
dull ibex
meh
long mesa
i dont think people are picky about tanks now...
junior ivy
i get declined from +10s a lot
dull ibex
IO?
junior ivy
and like once someone rejected me then whispered me "lol prot warrior"
here is my io
im 695
dull ibex
that's prob why
junior ivy
695.9
dull ibex
getting a 700IO isnt that hard
old zephyr
is the 370 thingy not live on EU?
vagrant cape
doesn't seem to be
sweet orchid
Love that the azerite emissary goes live and it's lower ilvl than my stuff. Gg bliz
vagrant cape
@junior ivy going over time really hurts your scores. if you notice, your +11 freehold gives you fewer points than your +8 temple because you went over by about 3.5 hours
vagrant cape
oh yeah, that was week 1
ember arrow
Whats the point
junior ivy
im persistent
vagrant cape
gotta get that 385 m8
junior ivy
i wanted 380 gear in weekly chestr
ember arrow
I call it foolish
ember arrow
I call it waste of time
vagrant cape
well, 385 azerite, 380 otherwise
sacred wharf
Quick question guys, what is our BIS trinket?
uneven mason
Howler/Rezan's at high item levels
primal crypt
Oh yes. @ember arrow
sacred wharf
ok thanks @uneven mason
primal crypt
Ez
next ermine
The emmisary is bugged btw
sacred wharf
what about vial of animated blood is it anygood?
grim prism
Ezpz
next ermine
It's rng if you'll get a 370 atm
grim prism
@sacred wharf not really
grim prism
Oof
sacred wharf
ok thanks
grim prism
I had to go to the hospital for that once in middle school
uneven mason
I heard its quite painful
grim prism
Hopefully it made me sterile so I don't spawn any more prot mains
abstract pebble
My 349 gets 355 and my 365 gets 355, feels bad man
primal crypt
Prot lul
lusty grotto
rofl
sweet orchid
I'm 360 and it's showing up as a 355 reward
mellow bridge
Wtf
lusty grotto
yeah it gave me 355 @ 360
primal crypt
365 = 355 azerite on my warrior
grim prism
I would assume so
primal crypt
370 equipped is showing me 370 azerite
daring patrol
need 370 it looks like? my 368 priest got 355, 371 DK got a 370
primal crypt
Yup
abstract pebble
From what I have seen it looks like 370 bag ilvl
primal crypt
You need to be 370 to get 370 azerite lol
abstract pebble
Which is BS, as the requirements for 355 and less is way lower
midnight ferry
dark iron fire blood OP, got rid of 5 stack of bleed from honor guard on atal'dazar lol
primal crypt
Plebs gitgud
uneven mason
TFW you're going to sit on your emmisary for 1 day since your 369.7
ember arrow
Why are u in his melee range
primal crypt
About to get this sweet 370 DC
ember arrow
To begin wit
stark sage
tbh it makes sense, emissary is supposed to reward low end gear
mellow bridge
Doesn't rly make sense when you can't hit 370 properly because of azerite restrictions
primal crypt
5 stacks of bleed.....oof
uneven mason
It counts in bags
mellow bridge
I'm stuck at 368 for ages since nothing good is dropping
primal crypt
Bet your healer was screaming
uneven mason
so you can hit 370 no problem, whither you're going to be using it
is another story
it just has to be in bags
neon tangle
@daring patrol oh that sucks
plain ice
370 DC is what we all wish for mang
just got a 355 from PvP, so that's been holding me over in the interim
mellow bridge
340 DC represent
signal plover
Present
daring patrol
can pvp pieces even get DC?
plain ice
yup - i have 355 shoulders with DC
from this week's conquest reward
you can retroactively get all of the conquest rewards btw - so you're not shit out of luck
just have to grind it out
and get your rating high enough so that it's > 340
daring patrol
what do you need for 370?
stark sage
370 bag pretty sure
daring patrol
for pvp rewards, not cache
midnight ferry
how do you deal with zul in KR, got spammed to death even with shield wall
minor scarab
Hi ! i'm levelling my prot warrior from 110 to 120 but it feels a bit slow and clunky sometimes, it that true at max level once you get a lil' bit of haste ?
uneven mason
I mean, we're a very methodical spec
stark sage
haste helps fight against clunkyness, but it takes some getting used to using IP on GCD
uneven mason
You're never going to feel like rabbits humping if thats what you're asking.
neon tangle
@midnight ferry Honestly I have no clue, better healers I guess
Guy hits harder than any of the bosses
minor scarab
I see, thank you for the info !
chilly brook
Can you define the clunkyness?
stark sage
where a spec feels like the rotation is playing against you
chilly brook
Cuz like different things for different people are clunky
minor scarab
Hum, having to press a button once every 1.5 sec compared to more before or something like this
uneven mason
Oh
chilly brook
So being gcd locked?
uneven mason
uh?
zinc mauve
@midnight ferry save lust for him and use all your defensives.
chilly brook
No that never changes
neon tangle
I think that it feels "clunky" when I'm in avatar and stuck using IP on the GCD
midnight ferry
wtf
chilly brook
You’re always going to be pressing buttons every gcd
zinc mauve
You just have to kill him as fast as possible
uneven mason
@minor scarab I mean, nearly all tanks are GCD locked
What about it is clunky?
Is it because we have several buttons that don't seem to "DO" anything
chilly brook
And this is why I ask what it is that people find clunky
neon tangle
I feel that using our CDs rotationally is "clunky" more than anything
minor scarab
I don't know, in legion i had not that feeling
stark sage
to me its that our rage dump is unreliable and you can be punished by pressing the wrong GCD too easily. that is where the clunkyness comes in. hitting IP at cap, or trying to dump rage with revenge and getting a free proc. hitting IP when you would rather hit a dps ability
etc
uneven mason
Thats because in legion half the abilities were off the GCD
minor scarab
Maybe it has something to do with the rotation yeah
uneven mason
Revenge is a shit ability I agree Keladan
grim prism
Because people open their pulls with charge > demo > ava > IP and wonder why they cant get aggro
chilly brook
And you also didn’t have anything to press outside of shield slam and IP lol
grim prism
Revenge should have no cooldown
uneven mason
No more free revenges!
grim prism
I dont get why it does
uneven mason
Revenge should be off GCD
uneven mason
Because GCD
minor scarab
Yes maybe !
stark sage
yeah both spenders are gated, one by a cooldown and the other by the HP cap
that is what i dislike the most
onyx vessel
Then you cap rage
grim prism
One by an ICD AND the fact that it doesnt even spend like a quarter of the time lol
At least*
neon tangle
@grim prism It would probably feel less bad to cap rage if we weren't so dependent on AM
anger management** Too many things have that acronym
grim prism
It would feel less bad sure, but still like shit either way
A turd sandwich with mustard as oppposed to straight up
uneven mason
without AM current prot wouldn't be "V I A B L E"
grim prism
I think I agree with that
neon tangle
@uneven mason that is the core of prot's issue right now IMHO
stark sage
IP being off GCD in legion and having a larger cap was so good for a dump tool, but it did limit the complexity of the ability
it was literally just a thing you pressed to dump rage
onyx vessel
It was op as fuck cuz of the trait too
chilly brook
Well tbh if we had a meatier IP in terms of volume we’d be free to hit Revenge more
stark sage
now it still does that, but its much easier to misplay
grim prism
IP in late legion was the opposite end of the smoothbrain spectrum
neon tangle
The -only- way to play prot is to chain our CDs rotationally since our out-of-active-mitigation times are SO BAD
which makes is 1. non-obvious to play, making average players shitty
and 2. means we have no CDs for actual emergencies, extra packs, etc
uneven mason
So the fix is, halve the base CDs, remove AM, give us 3 talents that do something.
chilly brook
Well tbh if you notice you’re getting rocked outside of your SB it should be pretty obvious to hit a CD
uneven mason
go around the outside Cat
chilly brook
Front then right and around
junior ivy
but then i miss the one oin the same row as the goal
lusty grotto
@junior ivy up treasure chest, right get both, then up and all the way to the left to half of the map and to the finish line
chilly brook
No you don’t
neon tangle
@chilly brook God help the poor soul that stacks their CDs
chilly brook
To goal
neon tangle
or, stacks them with shield block
thorn yarrow
@junior ivy you just go to the flag ez pz ❤
junior ivy
lol i did it, thanks
digital arrow
i've a noob question about heroic zul.. is the preferred method to keep him in the center for last phase and each tank take turns standing in the blood to drop it on the same spot?
chilly brook
I mean if you take bolster and you don’t read the tooltip of it and SB and then don’t realize that you’re basically cancelling the two out of you stack......
🤦🏻♂️
Yes @digital arrow
chilly brook
NF was useful
lusty grotto
right
chilly brook
Except that you were stuck in place
chilly brook
It would have been a fine ability if we could move while channeling
uneven mason
@digital arrow Yes you keep him in the center, take the blood around the edge (only should be 3 or 4 at most) don't stand in it while waiting to drop it since that'll get you croaked
lusty grotto
agreed Griff
junior ivy
😡 😡 😡
chilly brook
But it was a nice ability to have in a pinch
grim prism
Its exactly what you asked for lol
junior ivy
god damnit
digital arrow
oh @uneven mason so tank should try and stand next to present blood puddle and drop it there?
chilly brook
Welcome to non satisfactory loot
daring patrol
@digital arrow also, wait until debuff is at like 2-3 seconds left before you leap out to drop it so you can sit there and IP
chilly brook
Aka loot post legion with azerite and no ML
digital arrow
also guys i got a 370 bracers from trash yesterday in heroic woop 😄
understdood @daring patrol
lapis pasture
uneven mason
@digital arrow Yeah, leap next to the previous puddle with a few seconds left to go, you shouldn't need to leave melee until the last few seconds so you can continue to roll IPs on yourself
digital arrow
gotcha
uneven mason
Make sure you ave a healer near that location - nothing sucks more than eating 4 stacks and surviving long enough to dump em and dying on the run back because you didn't have a healer to keep you alive
#1 reason tanks die on Zul - healers need to be constantly reminded that both tanks are getting trucked at the end.
there is no "break" in damage taken
prisma spire
Anyone got any tips on how to survive on HC Vectis? My guild is progressing HC Uldir, and I'm so much trouble surviving as a prot warrior.. the boss is chopping my hp like there is no tomorrow, and I'm considering switching to a different class (as much as it saddens me to say) I'm around 354 ilvl.. any help would be appreciated!
chilly brook
Ummmm got logs?
Cuz that doesn’t help much
Vectis is literally just block whenever tanking and swap whenever you need to swap and pick up the add
Don’t stand in bad
prisma spire
I think so, let me see.. I was late to last weeks raid, so I got in on vectis lol
chilly brook
If you’re getting truck there are three things that I can think of
- you’re not using your defensive correctly
- you’re standing in bad during the transition phase
daring patrol
chances are you're mismanaging shield block, and/or letting stacks get too high
prisma spire
chilly brook
- your group is dumb and you’re getting the plague
prisma spire
We normally taunt off at around 2 stacks
hot locust
holy fuck that was a bitch to transcribe over to the WoW forums with the character limit....
prisma spire
I can reflect the plague bomb. .that much I know
And Omega Vector too.. I did get that a few times in the last couple of pulls
zinc mauve
What class is your other tank?
chilly brook
Looks like there are some issues from looking at the first pull
Casting SB when not tanking
Casting avatar and then only clapping twice during the full duration
zinc mauve
... Yeah that will do it
prisma spire
Yeah, I did accidentally use SB when I wasnt tanking.. fully aware haha
I have a druid at 120 that I can gear up for tanking
Other tank is a DK
solid mist
should be using SR when you get your 2nd stack of the tank dot right? just to decrease overall damage? or am I mistaken on that?
zinc mauve
I know bdks can tank 3 stacks of vectis dot to buy more time
daring patrol
looking at your last 3 attempts, you're using block at weird times. you're only blocking 35-40% of incoming hits
chilly brook
You only have 14% uptime of demoralizing Shout that’s a big no no
prisma spire
Yeah, my attention span dropped quite a bit towards the end lol
chilly brook
Should be around 50%
zinc mauve
The way my guild does it with a similar comp is i pull, bdk takes aggro at 2 stacks which lines up almost perfectly with the add spawning
prisma spire
So I should use it everytime its off cd?
chilly brook
Yes
And you should be using avatar with the first one and every opportunity after
Every thunderclap extends the duration of Demoralizing Shout
zinc mauve
And thunderclap with the right talents does crazy damage during avatar
I can't check cause I'm on mobile, but are you spamming shield slam off CD?
clear arrow
Hey does anyone know how to read the Prot Warrior stat analysis google doc Marok made? I've put my stats in, but im a little unclear on what the green bar for Physical/blockable 75% is edited for, and how I can determine what the best stat for me at the moment would be based on the % IP increase and DR(Damage reduction I believe)
I presume I can change that for the amount of magic dmg vs physical im taking but, I dont understand what that would change on the document
chilly brook
You also disproportionately cast Devastate
You should be using thunderclap way more
Devastate should be your last cast for when nothing else is up
I also notice there’s no Shield Wall cast, you should use that when you have a gap where you won’t have Shield Block available
solid mist
looks like you are favoring IP over shield block while actively tanking unless I'm misreading
clear arrow
Alright, blech, what attempt are you looking at Matt, ill help then maybe someone can help me with reading this doc after
He doesnt have the thundering crash azerite trait, thats why his Demo shout is low man.
clear arrow
He also opened with Devastate, and didnt shield slam until his 3rd cast, didnt use thunderclap till like 19 GCDs in
uneven mason
@prisma spire Use Spell Reflect for every Contagion and make sure you have an IP stacked with it. You cast SR once. per fight basically.
chilly brook
@clear arrow even if he doesn’t have DC he should still be using Thunderclap over Devastate
clear arrow
He also didnt charge in, or used block until 18 seconds deep
uneven mason
@prisma spire You have really poor Shield Block uptime
chilly brook
@prisma spire to be honest I would really recommend you refamiliarize yourself with the guides in the pins
clear arrow
You also didnt use shield block for over a minutre 30 seconds during hte fight
Steelskin potion is also arguably worse than a strength potion last I heard.
uneven mason
Well I mean Hoboedd, you don't use SB during the liquid phase
chilly brook
In most cases it is
clear arrow
You also used last stand while you had shield block up, and then casted more shield blocks. Definitely reread the guides
uneven mason
Back to school
clear arrow
Now, can anyone assist me in using the google Doc Marok made?
clear arrow
Im not sure how to read it after ive put my stats in : (
final mist
It's not meant to be something you input your stats into.
clear arrow
What is it meant to be then.
chilly brook
And you should really look at replacing your piece that has Iron Fortress with an azerite piece that has deafening crash @prisma spire
final mist
It's a determination of how stats look next to each other, relatively, point-for-point.
chilly brook
I believe the guides actually have a section that will tell you what dungeons have the pieces
final mist
But if you follow it to the letter, you'll see that, because of the way Crit works, the sheet values it the most because Crit's DR per point is incredibly high. However, it's a gamble stat, and Haste actually works out to be the best stat.
The sheet also doesn't take into account things like Anger Management.
So just don't touch the sheet and follow the ilevel > stat priority system we've laid out.
clear arrow
Yeah I understand that part Sal, but im not sure how to read whats better than the other. I thought it explained to make a copy of it so I could determine my own diminishing returns no to then further compare based on my own stat weights no?
Ah okay.
final mist
No, because we don't touch stat weights for things like Pawn at all.
The sheet looks at the defensive sides of things - stat weights (if we touched them) would be for DPS.
clear arrow
I dont think we can even sim our dps can we?
chilly brook
Nope
final mist
And secondary stats won't DR enough for them to matter over ilevel increases
No, we can't.
clear arrow
I wish I knew how to work sims better to make a custom one to determine our dps gains.
chilly brook
I wonder if the great courses plus would have a course on that 😜
final mist
Even if you did, it's not the APL that's the problem, it's that the spec itself isn't coded correctly to actually run with any sort of APL.
prisma spire
Thanks for the input guys.. biiiiig help!
chilly brook
There’s lots of nuance to the spec tbh, so the guide is gonna be your friend to help fix some of those problems
clear arrow
Yeah :/ Didnt the guy who used to make the AMR sims main a warrior at one point? or am I making things up
chilly brook
But glad to help
final mist
Don't touch AMR, ever.
clear arrow
Yeah I dont anymore, havent since like start of WoD
Sitting at 377, was just hoping to clear my bags of some of this extra gear that im not sure would pull ahead defensively or offensively for prot or not.
grim prism
AMR has been trash
lusty grotto
should be easy to do with the stat prio
steel mauve
Basically ilvl
clear arrow
I'd love to believe that, but until I see some sort of data im just not even remotely confident Iron
steel mauve
Uh the pins or guides?
lusty grotto
should be the same data as in legion
armor and str are the strongest defensively
basic logic
grim prism
We dont have working sims so theoretical data does not exist for this unfortunately
steel mauve
Our stats are so close together that ilvl literally wins, doesnt matter the stats
grim prism
But napkin math should be sufficient to demonstrate that ilvl is king on mainstat pieces
chilly brook
If you’d like I have multiple orange parses that I can link you and I prioritize ilvl over pretty much anything else
hot locust
We have a spreadsheet for that kind of thing @clear arrow
chilly brook
I can link you those
hot locust
check #268491842637660160
clear arrow
The one I was asking about Lala?
spice musk
Hi got a 365 bracer witch socket Haste Lifeleech and mastery. But i have a 370 Bracer with haster mastery. I think the one with life leech and socket better?
hot locust
Not for dps
chilly brook
Socket will carry you
grim prism
Well nobody is questioning that str is the best stat for DPS i dont think
hot locust
but for DR per 100 points of stat
chilly brook
Probably won’t replace that until about 375 @spice musk
steel mauve
I definitely wouldnt make a decision based on a tertiary, but imo the socket would win on bracers for a 5 ilvl differece
I wouldnt choose a socket over like a helm/chest/legs though, stat budget is too high on em
clear arrow
So I have some rings. 302 cri 129 haste 312 stam, 130crit 284 haste 280 stam, 155 haste 232 vers 66 avoid 238 stam, 119crit 260 haste 227 stam. What can I use to determine, based on the diminishing returns of my other stats, and spell damage vs blockable dmg during a fight, what my best 2 defensively would be? Or my largest dps output based on how frequently I have the boss would be?
Do we not have the resources?
grim prism
Tldr no
steel mauve
Overthinking it, go with the highest ilvl, if they are the same ilvl go with the stat priority of haste > vers/mastery > crit
Personal preference if you want to drop 5 ilvls on a ring for better stats
clear arrow
How am I overthinking it? What happened to the days of elitist jerks and all the graphs we used to have?
hot locust
Shit like that used to happen
grim prism
They died last expac when all the theorycrafters who know how to code went to different classes
clear arrow
Why are we the only class that isnt on bloodmallet?
final mist
The values of secondaries are so close that ilevel wins for rings.
steel mauve
Our stats during this point in time are so close together that we just go with ilvls
sick sentinel
Because prot isn't simmed.
clear arrow
Why though
final mist
Looking at the stam on those, one of those is what, 385? ANother is maybe 360?
sick sentinel
how much does this need to be repeated
Because no ones done the programming for it.
grim prism
Because our sim module isnt implemented therefore the numbers it generates are meaningless
steel mauve
Because in order to be simmed a code needs to be written which it isnt
clear arrow
Yeah I have a 385, 375 360 and 355 rings.
final mist
The sheer number of secondaries on the 385 will beat the 355, no matter what stats are on them.
grim prism
^
clear arrow
Yeah im just wondering whos idea it was not to write code for us but do so for everyone else, feels bad.
final mist
Same goes for the 375 and the 360.
stark sage
what
clear arrow
Is that for dps or defensive Sal?
sick sentinel
no ones?
hot locust
🤦
sick sentinel
cus no one wrote it?
grim prism
Probably a globalist conspiracy tbh
stark sage
that isnt how sims work @clear arrow one guy doesnt write the code for everyone
sick sentinel
how can anyone be at fault if no one did it?
grim prism
Gay frog chemtrails etc
sick sentinel
😄
clear arrow
Yeah youre right Kel
final mist
Stop memeing him, assholes.
We don't have anyone who has done it yet, just that simple.
clear arrow
Thanks Sal, ill be okay though<3
steel mauve
Each class basically has a person doing it, its on the list for prot but its a backburner project
sick sentinel
🤷 I didn't think I was memeing.
grim prism
It's all open source and available on github
clear arrow
Yeah! I wish I knew how to do that. :/
grim prism
I was memeing but only because we already explained it three times
final mist
Doesn't give you the right, Balsaq.
grim prism
Basically someone just has to write it
neon tangle
@clear arrow It is generally harder to model a tank vs. dps
grim prism
And nobody has stepped up
sick sentinel
the game on the other hand, I feel is memeing me.
steel mauve
We really have the easiest gearing though, its braindead
sick sentinel
giving me the same honorbound 370 azerite chest from 3 different emissarys
clear arrow
I feel like anger management makes our gearing arguably more complex not less :/
grim prism
It isnt harder to implement a tank vs dps for purposes of writing the class
@primal crypt because prot no think only smash
primal crypt
....
steel mauve
Why cant you just write it?
final mist
Even if we had sims, they'd be solely for DPS, not defensive.
sick sentinel
thunder smash good.
clear arrow
I would be extremely happy just to see a DPS sim for us, not even one of those old DTPS, tanking is rough to sim for
Theres no good metric for tanking
grim prism
Its better than it used to be but yeah, there is no holistic metric of tanking efficacy
steel mauve
Chances are if you use the right abilities at the right time youll get 85+% just off that alone
grim prism
Regardless, the issue of not being implemented in the sim backend applies either way
clear arrow
Guardian druids had some custom Sims they could imput to get their DPS last expac, and I know all the tanks are on Bloodmallet besides us atm
final mist
All tanks had sims last expac, ours were just only done in like, early ABT.
For the same reason we don't have them now.
primal crypt
@final mist said he's gonna write it soon
grim prism
LOL
final mist
That's not quite right, but sure, I'm learning.
native monolith
There is no secret on our dps tbh, just time correctly your Trinkets/Avatars and GG. And use as much as possible Avatar+DemoShout > DemoShout
clear arrow
Im shooting for 100th percentile again.
dark junco
is there any high level chestpiece with DC ?
can only find 300ones quest rewards and such with wowhead
clear arrow
Theres a lot more than that Almom
sick sentinel
mythic+ weekly cache.
grim prism
Lets not go crazy
dark junco
There doesn't even seem to be a dungeon one
grim prism
Just filling all your globals gets you 70%+ easy lol
clear arrow
Fair nuff
grim prism
Most tanks, especially prot, are too worried about not dying to try to push damage
native monolith
Thats my parses, and Im not that good, playing at 220ms and timing Just Avatar+Trinket
grim prism
Idk why though, more casts = more rage
native monolith
But keep in mind that, you gotta drop some surv to get DPS parses, so, not a good ideia to do on progressions
clear arrow
What trinkets are you using? I have all the pvp ones above 365 and both the non poopy heroic ones
Yeah I wouldnt dare shoot for parses during progression as the raid leader hah
chilly brook
Meh I shoot for parses
native monolith
Vial of Animated Blood 380 (Macroed with Avatar) and Syring of Bloodborn 370
native monolith
You can, but some of your surv will be affect if u aim for dps when u should be IPing or not wasting Rage on revenges, u got me right?
clear arrow
yeah I have syring, not sure if I should use this 380 insignia or not though vs disc
and im really not certain the weights of crit vs haste for dps output. but it seems well jsut need to keep experimenting and waiting on that one
chrome falcon
Hey anyone know if rogue Shroud resets when you start a key?
clear arrow
Doubtful but worth a shot imo Matta. Anyone else?
chrome falcon
Oh rogue discord says it does 👍
clear arrow
Noice
chrome falcon
Also I think haste is meant to be better for dps
Since we have literally no crit synergies
But I'm not 100% on that
clear arrow
Yeah thats what I was thinking but I dont think we have a way to check anymore
chrome falcon
I know that @shut summit runs 2x crit trinkets on farm bosses but i think they're both super high ilvl
mellow bridge
CDs are all supposed to reset when you start a key
clear arrow
Sorry, I thought he meant would it still be active like meta
native monolith
If u use meta before the key start, CD will be restored and the durations lasts
mellow bridge
in some dungeons I kept avatar and in others my avatar vanished but it stayed on cd
my friend plays UH DK
His army stays in motherlode and CD resets
or at least it did last week
clear arrow
Oh wow, when I tried it failed everytime with avatar, good to know!!!
mellow bridge
doesnt stay in any other dungeon but CD resets always
native monolith
There is a nice skip at beggining of Temple of Sethralis that used the rest o Pre-Shroud + Another Shroud
mellow bridge
I wouldnt do it with Avatar, seems super buggy to me idk
Sometimes I got fucked both ways: No avatar and no cd reset
native monolith
Every 3minutes + CD reset at start of a key
clear arrow
Yeah thats what was happening to me muyuu
plain ice
i tried with avatar yesterday and yea.. no cd reset and no avatar 😂
clear arrow
I think I know the solution
NERF DH 😛
Make a nice inscription item so other classes can apply the a 3-4% magic damage taken debuff (;
mellow bridge
Then there'd have to be one for monks as well tbh
clear arrow
Agreed
mellow bridge
but I dont think it's necessary
clear arrow
I think they should remove the stam ap intel inscription items if its not
Theyre kinda knocking our value in M+ down
sick sentinel
Sigil of Misery
30 yd range
Instant 1.5 min cooldown
Requires Demon Hunter (Vengeance)
Requires level 105
Place a Sigil of Misery at the target location that activates after 2 sec.
Causes all enemies affected by the sigil to cower in fear, disorienting them for 20 sec.
so why do DHs get a 20s fear but ours is 8s
smh
tidal fjord
Because Anime
grim prism
Why is Nathanos still in this fucking game
tidal fjord
...Because Anime?
grim prism
Fuck, you might be right
weak zephyr
Nathanos exists for the same reason why no Alliance General thought of using the vindicaar to end the war.
This is the type of writing you get in an MMORPG.
neon tangle
Also their 20s one doesn't make them run away
onyx vessel
Is DC worth losing 15 ilvl