you said you use clap, demo, revenge
#protection
severe zinc
hot locust
It was pretty implied saying you revenge repeatedly and there isnt enough time to clap again.
junior ivy
teal hamlet
thats what i meant
junior ivy
some people really like gnomes
teal hamlet
so yea, more like avatar, leap, clap, demo, clap, revenge(when needed), clap... better?
hot locust
yup
mortal pike
👏
teal hamlet
well i have to admit, i am sometimes using revenge right after demo/avatar and then clap... 😄
cause it is in my muscle memory... "i got rage, better use it before i overcap" 😄
sick sentinel
Generate rage x2 charge against a party member before you avatar + leap in.
I find myself just spam mouse button tab heroic throw pulling.
Comfy pulls, less risk face pulling near packs. All the control.
Charge a melee during combat too.
Using safeguard this week for random target casts/abilities on kids.
Or underrot fixates.
NEVER have rage issues.
sick sentinel
High haste, never feels like a gcd issue for abilities.
severe zinc
In the upcoming patch is prot getting just number tuning or are they going to be changing any mechanics?
teal hamlet
so far its just numbers... from what i know...
stone crag
no one really knows outside of blizzard
hollow kite
do we want a str gem or all haste?
sick sentinel
No
severe zinc
What do you think would be some good mechanical changes
sick sentinel
Haste more
teal hamlet
MOAR HASTE 😄
sick sentinel
More haste.
stone crag
big IP buff
chilly escarp
hows tankign 10 kings this week ?
sick sentinel
368 ilvl, 45k cap IPs
sick sentinel
Bring invis pots rogue, skip colossi/minions completely to first boss room. Bring good damage/CC and fine.
chilly escarp
as a dps main i really dont get why are thudner clap slow is such garbage lol on my dk i can tank forever lol
teal hamlet
i am starting using the "cowardly" breaking the LoS method more and more often... 😄
pull, hide and wait
then nuke them
sick sentinel
🙄
chilly brook
@teal hamlet you should be doing just as much damage if not more than that arms warrior
I’m gonna have to break out the clip aren’t I?
Oh and btw Shield Block is off the GCD so it’s not like you have to wait to cast tclap again after hitting it, and why are you heroic leaping in instead of charging? You’re missing out on rage
Trust me
You shouldn’t lose aggro
teal hamlet
I am using leap to do dmg and therefore gain aggro... I know charge generates more rage, but we are talking aggro generation, which is better with leap(to more than one guy ofc)
chilly brook
That aggro you generate off leap is minimal
The rage is far more important
And if you use avatar before you pull like in that situation you gave me one tclap is all you need bb
sick sentinel
I revenge basically to apply deep wounds
teal hamlet
In the first seconds of combat, the rage from avatar and demo shout should be sufgicient enough...
chilly brook
You’re literally wasting rage then
final mist
The Rage you get from INtercept is more important than the minute aggro threat you gain from Heroic Leap's damage.
chilly brook
But what do I know?
Thank you sal
If you don’t wanna take my word for it take his
Or hers
Or zim
Can’t assume these days
Anyways at the end of the day it’s better to have rage and not need it than need rage and not have it
robust bronze
wich ring should i use?
neon tangle
Also if you leap in you’ve got less options for kiting if you need it
chilly brook
385 and 365
You won’t replace the 365 unless you get a 10ish ilvl upgrade most likely
And what @neon tangle said
teal hamlet
Maybe i am playing my tank wrong, but i believe having aggro is better than having rage...
steel mauve
thats the thing they are trying to explain, heroic leap generates an extremely low amount of threat
teal hamlet
So i try to prevent losing aggro in the first seconds of combat as much as i can...
steel mauve
so the very low amount of threat it generates is far out weighed by the amount of rage you gain
teal hamlet
Thats why i am leaping... Cause it helps with that
neon tangle
Even on skittish I’m not losing threat in the first few seconds
steel mauve
it really doesnt help with threat though
like it does a low amount of damage
and causes very low threat so you're wasting a leap charge you may need, and not gaining rage you may need
sick sentinel
Does more than charging in.
chilly brook
@teal hamlet did you even watch the clip I posted?
surreal stump
wait. charge gives rage tho
steel mauve
and the only time you ever have threat issues is if a dps beats you to a mob and does their big dick aoe
sick sentinel
Charge your party members instead
Avatar and leap in. Wow, initial aoe threat and rage. Next gcd can demo shout, then tclap.
teal hamlet
You are saying that every dps you have been in dungeon with will patiently wait 2-3 seconds for you to gain aggro? I want to live in your realm then...
steel mauve
if you get there first then you should never lose threat
chilly brook
No they never have to wait for me
steel mauve
they dont wait, as long as i get in first they can be right on my ass for all i care i still dont lose threat
sick sentinel
God you guys are way overthinking this too much. It's not hard.
chilly brook
Because if you took a look at that clip I posted I was doing more damage than every single DPS except our arms warrior and we were both doing 120k DPS
steel mauve
no its not hard heroic leap does piss poor for threat gen
sick sentinel
Does more than charge.
steel mauve
and the rage is far more useful
chilly brook
Heroic leap is useless for threat
steel mauve
so? if you need the extremely small amount of dmg from leap then you should probably look at changing the rest of your play style first
sick sentinel
You can charge your party members for rage before leaping into combat.
surreal stump
well i dont do pugs. so i guess its a different world for me
chilly brook
Why would I do that when I could just charge once and then charge into the enemy and keep my leap
sick sentinel
I dont do pugs either.
chilly brook
If I were even to do that
surreal stump
also if a dps dies cause i havent even hit Tclap before he blows load i laugh
vagrant cape
@teal hamlet heroic leap also resets the CD of taunt. So it'd be better to save leap for a clutch taunt if you're worried about aggro
teal hamlet
And gritt, i saw that clip... It was nice but irrelevant... I am talking about the start of fight...
chilly brook
Having mobility is much more important
@teal hamlet that basically was the start you missed like one global
And it’s not irrelevant
sick sentinel
Dude, you do not lose aggro as prot, even on skittish, what is this discussion even?
chilly brook
No I really don’t
steel mauve
we are the best tanks for skittish
chilly brook
Unless I pull without avatar
sick sentinel
Lmfao
steel mauve
our aoe threat and our burst aoe threat is insane
ember arrow
dont need to talk down to the guy
just explain to him
dont come with "lol prot doesnt lose aggro"
sick sentinel
Yeah skittish should be a non-affix for you
teal hamlet
BUT it can be overcome if there is a much bigger burst... Those situations can happen
steel mauve
it was explained though
teal hamlet
...
steel mauve
the only time ive ever lost threat is when a dps literally runs in before me
ember arrow
thats how it works
steel mauve
and i agree with levko, if they do that they kind of deserve to die
ember arrow
they got the responsibility to watch their aggro
sick sentinel
They should be considering the affix tbh
chilly brook
@ember arrow we’ve attempted to explain multiple times
ember arrow
even my dk, which does significantly less aoe dps than prot\
steel mauve
ive tried kiting the groups back in siege before the second to last boss, and had an arms warrior charge in and bladestorm
ember arrow
its not an issue really
but u must have dps taht dont pull thei rdick out at start
tahts about it
@steel mauve i call that a defensive cd
arms warrior
sick sentinel
The only time where me, or co-tank that is also prot lose aggro on skittish is when somebody attacks during LoS strats
Should be considering mechanics, period.
teal hamlet
You see... He may be a retard, but the problem is on you to solve... And i am using non procced revenge with claps to solve it asap... Thats my whole point
chilly brook
Let me try and explain it this way
ember arrow
how is it on you to solve?
sick sentinel
You're not responsible for others retardation.
teal hamlet
And leap to prevent it
sick sentinel
You crazy?
steel mauve
ya i mean thats kind of on them...
ember arrow
its their responsibility to spread out their dmg
sick sentinel
Everyone has personal responsibility.
steel mauve
thats not your problem
chilly brook
Our thunder claps are perfectly capable of hitting for above 20k every other gcd inside of avatar
sick sentinel
Tell them to learn2play.
chilly brook
An arms warrior can warbreaker once every so often for at least 20k per target
chilly brook
You should be able to out threat your arms warrior
sick sentinel
Or replace them with more intelligent, less mindless players.
chilly brook
Hence why I said capable @astral crystal
sick sentinel
Do not taunt at pull and tank the bigger and the badder once he pulls aggro
chilly brook
Not should be
teal hamlet
So instead of trying to get the situation under control, you prefer to reset?
surreal stump
i ran 10 waycrest, surv hunter, frost dk, mage, disc priest. mage would pull threat from time to time. but then again he used to main a arms warrior who'd blow every cooldown after i charged in lol . i honestly didnt notice much issues at all besides somehow agroing shit through walls sometimes. altho i did find it funny they were all like lets pull big im like why? when i can clear this easily without having to pull a huge pack of anything
chilly brook
I’m not sure how it starts out of control
surreal stump
i mean we finished it in time. and i have only ever used heroic leap to pull cause im to lazy to walk into range
to charge
chilly brook
But I suppose you can always fix the problem by just bringing a hunter and a rogue instead of a warrior
neon tangle
@teal hamlet I think the disconnect between us is that you have issues with threat early on
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
neon tangle
If you don’t have a problem you don’t need to solve t
sick sentinel
I was doing shrine as fury yesterday and if I went full mongol on one add I would get aggro, but it was only one so I tanked it
neon tangle
And you can then leave leap for other stuff
sick sentinel
Smh people not realizing still the 'aggro through walls' is from tripping the witch summon flags in the various halls/rooms. Pulling more mobs.
neon tangle
I very occasionally lose threat on an add, in which case I taunt it.... leap CD is still up for emergencies/ kiting
surreal stump
i always wait at witch spawn watching the group run off lol its always a sigh momment
chilly brook
@sick sentinel not entirely true though the worms used to be able to go through the walls or floors and grab stuff
surreal stump
bm hunters still pull caster chick in basement through courtyard floor?
sick sentinel
You walk/charge through a hidden dev programmed flag in the halls, summons witch aggrod immediately to that person in the room, which can pull other nearby mobs on the way.
Safer just to heroic throw/pull back where you came or into the cleared courtyard.
teal hamlet
Yes sadbox... I have issues with threat early on if someone outbursts me greatly... And, as i said, i am using non procced revenge to regain and keep aggro without hindering anyone... And trying to prevent loss with leap at start(something is better than nothing)
ember arrow
at start, dps shoudl either wait
or keep their dicks in their pants
if they dont, you shouldnt go out of your way to gain threat
chilly brook
Ok look lemme just ask this question what kinda DPS are you doing inside of avatar? @teal hamlet
And how much are these DPS who are ripping threat doing?
chilly brook
Right because they’d have to literally over double your damage for you to lose aggro @ember arrow
ember arrow
exactly, but its just to illustrate
warrior is fury though
so idk if that makes a difference
@hollow thorn fury burst >arms burst?
ember arrow
o ok
chilly brook
Fury>arms for pure single target
teal hamlet
If my clap crits, it does around 16k dmg... And sorry, i dont really know how high burst steals my aggro from the top of my head...
ember arrow
😮
chilly brook
Well I’m asking more for DPS numbers
Not necessarily damage of individual abilities
But if you’re hitting for 16k on tclaps during avatar then really as long as you don’t miss a tclap cast you should be fine
Tclap>ability>tclap>ability>tclap>ability
steel mauve
its our hardest hitting ability, so our highest threat gen
well outside of shield blocked SS
teal hamlet
I know... After 3-4 claps, nothing can steal my aggro, dont worry about that :D
chilly brook
TBF I think SB being tied to slam damage is stupid
It made sense with glad stance
Not without it
dense grotto
I miss gladiator 😦
chilly brook
#metoo
dense grotto
Druids get 4 specs
ancient reef
they should give prot an arms stance
chilly brook
I’d personally love to have another stance to be in
Swap into it when not actively tanking etc.
teal hamlet
Would be nice...
chilly brook
Because why not
chilly brook
It’s not like people are taking us for our normal tank performance
hollow thorn
@ember arrow Arms burst >>> Fury burst
ember arrow
ait
teal hamlet
Because apart of all the other magically buffed tanks, you are just a guy that screams very loud when hit... :D
astral crystal
my daddy taught me a few things too, like how to not let dps die by using avatar on pull, instead of just thunderclap
ember arrow
reference to best anime
chilly brook
Give us back an offensive stance and give us access to heroic strike and execute inside of it 🙃
teal hamlet
Or disarm or some equivalent... (Or is demo shout too much already? :D)
I mean, disarm for pve
sick sentinel
You do not need a dps stance when getting mad resets on SS
vagrant cape
When I think of the classic warrior tank, I think of someone very fast (check) who hits hard (check) and can block anything thrown at them, like Wonder Woman when she was crossing no man's land (definitely not check). We can't even block ranged attacks.
sick sentinel
THROW ROCK
vagrant cape
dies
honestly just let us block ranged attacks (at least sometimes) or give us an azerite trait that gives us a chance to block magical effects like the pallies have
ember arrow
why not make other tanks metigate magic better too then?
you will open a whole cesspool of balance issues
sick sentinel
Were getting a "more interesting ring of traits" of 8.1
teal hamlet
I am more of a beating down your enemy trough total control over him... That means lowering dis dmg output as much as possible...
vagrant cape
off-topic, but I love when I lead a guild group in their discord and I get 4 friend requests afterward.
"I really appreciate that you're not a prot warrior that just falls over. You're actually really good."
-Their healer
made me blush
sick sentinel
Dude that's the best feeling
ember arrow
yes
and if you wouldve played a bdk, you couldve played even better on equal skill level
😉
"youre not as shit as prot warr usually is" isnt really something id be happy to hear
vagrant cape
@ember arrow I suppose you're right. Warriors have plenty of magic mitigation as is, but I just wanna block the Dwayne Johnsons
rocks*
vagrant cape
that's an awesome feel
teal hamlet
I got that compliment once... Made my day... :D
vagrant cape
I honestly think I might try shield walling when I pull big packs full of throw rock mobs
sick sentinel
SW helps a TON
vagrant cape
It's so good. I need to train myself to press it more
sick sentinel
Also on non skittish weeks I get a bunch of aggro and run for the hills
vagrant cape
I think I'm doing better, but I still am at fewer than 5 uses per dungeon. I'm so bad
sick sentinel
LoS is my favourite thing to do after an avatar pull
surreal stump
stance dancing how i miss you
cloud bone
Bryon i'm the same way I just recently got used to remembering to press LS for the extra shield block timer
vagrant cape
I need to press that one more, too
with AM it's like an 80-second CD
and I use it only like 10 times a dungeon
I'm slack-a-lackin'
sick sentinel
Where have you keybinded your CDs btw?
cloud bone
control 1-7 for me
sick sentinel
I have been using a razer naga hex for the past 7 years and now that I will have to replace it I do not know where to put them
So used to having 6 thumb bottons (12 with ctrl modifier)
cloud bone
get a 12 button mouse and put em all there
vocal nimbus
mouse buttons 🤢
sick sentinel
Well where do you put your shit soul?
cloud bone
hey I press 1-8 on the mouse and my left hand only does movement and modifier keys
sick sentinel
Qerft I use too
steel mauve
Q-T are all abilities for me
vocal nimbus
to be fair i dont neither like or dislike mouse buttons
never had a mouse with them
cloud bone
It takes some getting used to but I prefer it over have to have my left hand do everything
sick sentinel
I love mousebuttons when they are off-GCD stuff
Demo shout being an exception'
and intimidating shout I guess
cloud bone
I've got both On and Off GCD abilities on the mouse buttons
sick sentinel
for example, legion IP felt amazing on the mouse button
BfA IP feels shit though
I might just be retarded idk
vocal nimbus
totally personal 🤷
junior ivy
i wish i had a mouse with many buttons 😦
surreal stump
https://goo.gl/images/U1c8jB is the mouse i use, altho i never use it wireless
sick sentinel
wait are those buttons?
surreal stump
i used to use a cyborg mmo 7 . till they stopped making it and i could no long find
yes
each one feels different
i cant use a naga
hands too big
steel mauve
i like my corsair scimitar, i use the buttons for big defensive cd's and ip
and ones push to talk
chilly escarp
well kings felt horrible what is even the point of ignore pain i can spam it on a pack and traits still out heal it lol
steel mauve
well you shouldnt be spamming it regardless
sick sentinel
my push to talk is `
chilly escarp
indeed but if you did spam it it should actualy do soemthing
its 40 rage a pot
po
pop
surreal stump
my push to talk for every thing is ~
ancient reef
What ilevel for doing *4>
surreal stump
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407894528410910720/497595550628184064/IMG_20181004_212633.jpg
steel mauve
ya but it still does its purpose, the absorb amount is fairly low, but its still useful as a dmg smoother and not an outright dmg preventer which is what its intended for
surreal stump
had it open cause friend asked lol
sick sentinel
we have that table pinned in our guild discord 😛
ancient reef
I did my first round of 2/3s and im 345 is it a big jump to do 4+
chilly escarp
fairly low is an udnerstatment what does it even scale off max hp? dosnt even eat a single auto in the keys i do lol
chilly escarp
i see so do we stack a ton of mastery now then
steel mauve
it scales off vers/ap
sick sentinel
and mastery kind of
steel mauve
no more so str, but you shouldnt stack a single stat
chilly escarp
for example then guys im ghoing to assume you have well optiomized prot gear whats your ip absorb?
steel mauve
you shouldnt focus gearing around an ability thats a secondary am
dusky mica
ip's absorb value is too small, dunno why people argue against it
if you had a DK you'd know it instantly
steel mauve
i dont think people really argue against it
chilly escarp
i tank on a dk also yeah and its a complete joke the difference lol
a healer can leave me alone and handle mechanics and the boss with prot in the same keys no chance
steel mauve
i mean they are 2 literally completely different styles of tanking
chilly escarp
dk can kite also prot has a 20% slow rofl
steel mauve
comparing 2 different tank classes is about the same as comparing a dps classes dpos to a healers dps
sick sentinel
sitting in town just with my battle shout and bloodsport on my chest and the tooltip says 33,5k
TC slow was 50% in legion, it got fucked in bfa
chilly escarp
yeah 33.5k isnt even an auto in the keys i do there is no way that is a functional use for 40 rage
ember arrow
@chilly escarp if u dont need healing on dk ur pulling too small or are doing too easy keys
also, 20% slow is enough
u only need to outrun adds
if they run at 80% while you are at 100
thatsfaster
quick maffs
sick sentinel
thing is, you need more space
dusky mica
If I run at 100% and mobs run at 99% then I'm still faster too
sick sentinel
having a fury warrior or a assa rogue or a frost mage helps
dusky mica
20% slow is bad in an online game such as wow tbh
ember arrow
not for kiting
chilly escarp
2 warriors in a group nice joke 😛
dusky mica
you still get punched when youre not in range
ember arrow
fury does good dmg, so does arms, fury has perma 50% slow
chilly escarp
no i main dps warrior there is no reason to take twow arriors
dusky mica
does fury still have piercing howl? I never play it
chilly escarp
neither arms or fury have an aoe stun
ember arrow
why would you need an aoe stun if u can kite
not having something means another class should have it
dusky mica
if you're talking high keys, any class that doesnt have a hard cc is a bit of a liability
ember arrow
thats how m+ works
chilly escarp
dps warriros are honestly just poor mans dhs but thats just the way the cookie crumbles i do hope the y imporve the state of this tankign on prot tho its appaling and worse its not even engaging you literaly just thudnerclap for days
ember arrow
as opposed to the compelx dk rotation
ember arrow
you started it though
chilly escarp
it just dosnt feel good
ember arrow
thonk
chilly escarp
like what about warrior class fantasy is about stampign one foot up and down 24/7
ancient reef
When i dps as fury i keep that debuff up
ember arrow
wait
u just talked viability
now are talkign classfantasy?
pick one subject
they arent related
chilly escarp
why? cannt maintain two thoughts simultaniously?
ember arrow
if my dk shoots pink bubbles as his rotation and its good
it can be viable while breaking fantasy
idc about fantasy
so for me its irrelevant
chilly escarp
so levko you tank 15s onw arrior yes? what are your stats btw im curious?
ancient reef
I think IP is.kinda against fantasy
dusky mica
blood dk is garbage from a fantasy perspective
chilly escarp
so i can try your builkd
ember arrow
i dont even play warrior, im just here to stop people like you from spreading misinformation
chilly escarp
ok dosnt play warrior but belives warrior tanks fine... ok
ember arrow
🤔
i dont play disc priest
i think theyre fiune
what kind of batshit point isthat?
sick sentinel
Malice is here just to meme and trigger people
dusky mica
like a clone of Levko
chilly escarp
no i came here to find out what the deal is with tankign 15s from pepole who have
as im a main dps warrior
ember arrow
@dusky mica what?
steel mauve
i mean warriors arent great but we arent terrible, we kind of fall into the "fine" category
ancient reef
Wars are ar the mercy of theor groups
dusky mica
¿
ancient reef
Bad healers you cant make up for
chilly escarp
that feels very true lebarde
dusky mica
Frost mage is prot warriors best friend
chilly escarp
and lower dps is more pressing for warrior
oblique garnet
Assa rogue is also nice with their slows
chilly escarp
so has anyone here tanked 15s? i genuinaly want to know what your stats fall ta
ancient reef
The other i was last amd it was mucj better
steel mauve
aoe you really should be top though
vocal nimbus
hey kabuto 👋
oblique garnet
Didnt tank +15 but did +13 today
dusky mica
👋
ancient reef
I only pug amd.most of the time my healer srruggles to keep.me up if i pull.more than a pack
steel mauve
our stat order really doesnt change
chilly escarp
steel mauve
regardless of content
chilly escarp
sure tho the relevance to you i have no idea
ancient reef
I think our aoe scalles well as we gain ilevel.the more you can pull.the more dps you do
chilly escarp
@oblique garnet how was it and what are your stats mastery haste str ect
sick sentinel
lol
dusky mica
big pulls are iffy once SW wears off
ember arrow
so you base your opinion on prot warr on a 6,7, 9 and 10 you did
oblique garnet
Haste 35%or so so with ITF crit 18% mastery 30~ versa 16% cant remember str and stam
chilly escarp
yeah and the 11 and 12 i literaly just tanked
oblique garnet
I think it was like 7k str 10k stamina
chilly escarp
hmm ok you have a lot more mastery than me
dusky mica
So it looks like were not getting that mastery change in 8.1 now?
I was looking forward to a non rng mastery
weary narwhal
Here goes boys, from arms to prot. Day1 learning
oblique garnet
I dont have DC trait tho so it was bit of an struggle and had to kite alot more
dusky mica
the early ptr mining showed them removing crit block
steel mauve
datamined a tooltip change and every one freaked out about a change
chilly escarp
i guess tyranical weeks we could stack a ton of leech pull huge with deeps and then just pray on high bosses lol but infested kind of fucks that a bit
steel mauve
cant trust datamining at all
chilly escarp
fortifed weeks harder for all
steel mauve
i wouldnt try to stack tertiaries
dusky mica
you'd never get enough leech rating for it to be good
ember arrow
people focus on stats, while that is never the reason you survive or do an encounter well
chilly escarp
i dunno we do liek 40kdeeps easy thats a lot of leech
oblique garnet
Honestly the mythrax trinket from heroic is a life saver
dusky mica
the leech on bloodsport for example is hilarious, if it was 10x more it would still be awful
dusky mica
look at your logs, it's shit
chilly escarp
yeah ive gpot like 1.65 leech its not horrible tho azerite veins is still dominate
chilly brook
Did I miss anything?
neon tangle
Does anyone like the mythrax trinket, I got a 355 and the maximum possible HPS was around 500
Seems ~worthless
dusky mica
isnt the mythrax trinket the same as that shit trinket from EN, more or less?
hushed minnow
You would wear it for the strength if you had nothing else
chilly escarp
heroic is very good on my dk at least
hushed minnow
The effect is total ass
dusky mica
Titanforged WQ shit is probably the best
oblique garnet
Mine is 375 it compensates for those times where you dont have a defensive up
chilly escarp
str trinkets are super underwhelign this teir tbh
vocal nimbus
Looking from a purely defensive perspective, bandages and veiled eye are the best trinkets
With blockades
sick sentinel
TF Incessantly Ticking Clock, Emblem of Zandalar, or Rezan's Gleaming Eye or Galewind Chimes would all be immense haste boosts towards surv and also decent DPS in their own right.
steel mauve
bandages is better than eye, but defensive trinkets are really underwhelming
vocal nimbus
They are "boring" compared to what we had in legion but currently those 3 are the best defensively
dusky mica
Jes Howler is probably the best
sick sentinel
Blockades + TF Jes Howler superior survive
vocal nimbus
I would take a good veiled eye for pushing or prog
oblique garnet
I love it when i do motherlode +10 and get the titanforged big red button
surreal stump
i use blockades and the boe one bygone wtfever its called
dusky mica
I'd prefer the red button to go off a bit faster
does ok damage on one target still tbh
chilly escarp
i assume there is zero reason to ever hit revenge over clap btw ?
steel mauve
pretty much
chilly escarp
we deffinatly need a good erage dump then
if ip is meh and revenge with good haste becoems pretty obsolete
steel mauve
the only arguement would be cappinmg rage, but even then, if demo/avatar is up i would still tclap
chilly escarp
does rage cap matter tho if revenge is just less damage than clap i mean mine is anyway tho i dont play with the talent for it atm
steel mauve
tclap does more dmg than revenge
chilly escarp
booming just seems to good
steel mauve
ya, booming is necessary
chilly escarp
time dosnt stack
sick sentinel
you do not want more than one
sick sentinel
but yeah it makes BV a lot more powerful
steel mauve
devestator is weak af after the nerv and vengeance is worthless
chilly escarp
yeah are damage is silly like really silly i literaly cannt rember the laste time i even hit devestate
atal for example the huge pull at preistess is easy feeling 40kdps and not any tank issues there but say in kings or the reanimated trolls in atal i just feel liek paper
steel mauve
that and you will lose out rage becuase you cant gaurantee using an SS proc from devestator, especially after the change for tclap and revenge to proc sSS
chilly escarp
yeah but the stronger mobs feel exponetialy stronger onw arrior aposed to my other tanks
vocal nimbus
Stronger mobs feel stronger for all the tanks
Im maintaining decently equipped a prot, bdk and brm
And its dangerous for all of them
steel mauve
in a raid fight honestly youll use like 6-8 devestates a minute roughly on avg
spark forge
Dont you feel more squishy as prot
chilly escarp
my dk is 10ilv lower than my prot and keys feel much much easier tbh
vocal nimbus
I try to time pulls as warrior
To have LS on each pull and SW each 2
More or less
chilly escarp
yeah thats falling back to the same thing of being reliant on your group more as prot
vocal nimbus
To be honest prot is kinda fine but not at the same 😂
chilly escarp
i dunno how they fix it tbh feels sad to play right now personaly as someone who has played warriorn since vanilla
they dug themselevs a prot shaped hole and i dunno how they escape
its never going to have the utility of brm dk or dh
vocal nimbus
Prot has similar utility to brm
chilly escarp
how? ring of peace is insane
sick sentinel
a stun?
vocal nimbus
Hows that utility
steel mauve
stagger isnt utility lol
sweet orchid
But can brm hide behind a shield while they cry themselves to sleep? Check mate
steel mauve
healing isnt really utility either, and brm barely heal more than use to be honest
chilly escarp
can be when your runnign around with 1 billion damage worth of stagger at 1 hp
steel mauve
thats still their mitigation
chilly escarp
and come on ring of peace is basicaly the most powerful utility in the game
vocal nimbus
Running around with 1 billion damage is a bad brm tho
chilly escarp
warrior has a stun and a rally
sick sentinel
and an AoE fear to interrupt
vocal nimbus
Fear
chilly escarp
sjockwave is worse than leg sweep also 360 always best
assumign there not undead or immue
vocal nimbus
Thats why its similar utility
sick sentinel
HC leap ?
chilly escarp
can kite withj kegs also
vocal nimbus
You can thunderclap from the same distance you throw a keg
chilly escarp
sure keg hits more targets tho
clap hits those in range kegs hits thsoe and those within the radius
chilly escarp
yeah radius
vocal nimbus
Thats totally situational
And if you pulled properly all the.mobs are gonna be stacked up anyways
sick sentinel
I would say say HC throw but I am STILL not sure how much "high threat" is
chilly escarp
haha yeah i think high threat is basicaly bollocks i use it as dps all the time never see the threat abr shift much
sweet orchid
It actually does generate a decent amount of threat
vocal nimbus
A pretty good amount yeh
sweet orchid
I use it in conjunction with taunt to take threat at range
chilly escarp
one thing warriros do have to be fair we dont lsoe aggro rofl
vocal nimbus
Theres no similar ranged skill for other tanks
lapis pasture
Or hammer!
chilly escarp
lol or dagger i geuyss
vocal nimbus
You are putting prot in a far worse spot than it is
sick sentinel
or a sword!
lapis pasture
WOWSA
sick sentinel
look dude
chilly escarp
i think its playable and no if iw anted to play other things where wouild the problem be ?
vocal nimbus
You are going full "PROT SUCKS REEEEEEE"
sick sentinel
is prot in a worse spot than BDK or BRM? yeah
is it THAT much worse? I do not think so
chilly escarp
i just dont think your going tos ee any prot tanks at the invitationals for m plus lol
sick sentinel
Just play what you enjoy
vocal nimbus
Why you care about prot warrs in invitationals?
steel mauve
i mean gauging a class on the top .2% of players is a relaly terrible metric
vocal nimbus
Top 0.001% or less id say
chilly escarp
im pretty sure you will see every other class at least represented
vocal nimbus
inb4 zero guardians
sick sentinel
I could not care less about MDI personally
vocal nimbus
Sense will be there as prot warr
chilly escarp
good i shall look forward to that imporoving pug life then
sick sentinel
we are all waiting for 8.1
chilly escarp
im not holding mybreath for that there hands are full "fixing" shamens and sps
runic python
iirc HC throw is 16x threat mod
vocal nimbus
Sps are doing good
chilly escarp
indeed there jsut not fun liek they were in legion
sick sentinel
Sps really love haste afaik and we are currently at a point where nobody has enough haste for anything
chilly escarp
was the only ranged i enjoyed in legion its really really awful now not gunna have enough haste to fix it anytime soon lol
performs well in keys tho kind of dosnt have utility or warlock lust boss melting ability tho
boomkin mage lock still betetr choices
wanton trout
So, Mid ring I have earth link.. shimmering haven and overwhelming power.. Should I go with overwhelming power or earth link?
steel mauve
check the icyveins guide?
wanton trout
They're all like B tier
sick sentinel
OP loses stacks when getting hit , not sure you want that as a tank
ember arrow
no no no
it loses maximum of 1 stack per sec
on getting hit
there is an icd of 1 sec on that part
so in absolute worst case it is up for 12.5 seconds
2 stacks decay per sec
@wanton trout
as usual blizzard tooltips are useless
sick sentinel
wait WHAT
ember arrow
yes
its really good
ablative shielding for example doesnt have that
so its garbage
but OP does
sick sentinel
Gz man!
sick sentinel
which one?
sick sentinel
rng 'rare'
mystic trellis
Is the only way to tell if an NPC is casting something at you to look at the direction theyre facing ?
I know the destination UID is blocked in the combat log
steel mauve
their target should be who they're casting on
crimson quiver
wary crystal
370 systematic disc or 350 jes howler?
since the disc proc doesn't really do anything for survivability
steel mauve
howler imo
dull ibex
So i have a 395 vial, a 370 rezan, a 365 Jes' - Gore Block - Sporepods and i havent found a good combination with them all
Would it be prefferable to use 395 vial/rezan?
dull ibex
ye
steel mauve
i would go with vial/jes
dull ibex
2 on-use?
steel mauve
either that or rezan over vial if you want to use only 1 on use, howler vers is really good, even at a lower ilvl
but the str on a 395 vial is massive
wary crystal
btw does anyone know if zerker rage works against the zul minions? can you just pop it and run through the pack?
warm axle
yeah, how do we tackle the zul minion packs in kings rest?
fair crystal
Zerker belf combo
vagrant cape
that's what I'd do
but I don't have a howler and I only have a 345 rezan
so
I don't have much experience with how good they are at higher ilvls
dull ibex
i just got a grid-runner, Brace for Impact or Archive?
and no i dont tank for the raid
runic python
Brace
fallow mural
Are there any chances this 370 is worth equipping? BiS stats with socket at the loss of 10ilvl
final mist
Nope.
fallow mural
Dropping the crit for the extra haste and mastery seemed tempting, but I wasn't sure how significant losing the str/stam/armor was
sick sentinel
There is no world or universe where you DON'T insta-equip the highest ilvl shield you can find
final mist
Higher ilevel shields are always an upgrade simply because of the Block on them.
fallow mural
The 370 shield actually gives me a higher block %
final mist
And secondaries are so close together in value that ilevel upgrades are normally better even on other pieces of gear.
This ain't Legion.
fallow mural
It must be due to the mastery, but the lower ilvl shield actually results in higher block
Which shocked me
sick sentinel
Block chance is kind of irrelevant, as you try to have SB/last stand active all the time
fallow mural
True, I wasn't looking at the change in block dmg, just the block % listed
That was my mistake
Thanks for the advice
I felt like the higher ilvl would certainly be better... but was having trouble justifying it when I checked how it effected my stats
keen dune
It just gives you more stats overall, + stamina
final mist
Shields in particular give Block rating, which is the only thing that affects how much you block.
Which is why shields are so important.
More block = less damage taken from blockable shit.
fallow mural
I was most confused when I saw my block went up with the lower ilvl shield, but I mixed up block % and block dmg
final mist
Don't be too hard on yourself, a lot of people do, it's an easy mistake to make. 😃
That's why we're here though, to teach and guide.
vivid drum
My apologies if this should be obvious, but I now have a rezans eye at 355, and a howl at 365 along with blockades at 355...I believe the eye would be the better second trinket along with howl, but is blockades better than an equal level eye?
fallow mural
I think that depends if you want pure survivability or dps, but I could be wrong
afaik, blockades for survivability
solid mist
pug heroic uldir. already have tanks so I join as arms. prot war tank rocking never surrender, vengeance, and heavy repercussions 😐
fallow mural
Only time I ever considered heavy repercussions this expac was off tanking fetid, and I'm still not sure if that's justifiable
eager hedge
Not even close, AM too strong to give up 😄
sick sentinel
With Anger management you can keep Active Mitigation for all but like 1 thrash
vagrant cape
You can't just use an acronym twice and have it mean different things
sick sentinel
And tanking one thrash and praying should not oneshot you as long as you are full health
Shit I just realized
Sleep deprivation
Better now
vagrant cape
Better, but active mitigation kinda got phased out for bfa (thank god)
It barely existed in Legion aside from the final boss of nelths and first boss of HoV
And maybe a few others I don't remember
sick sentinel
Well you still need some kind of mitigation active for thrash
And unless you fuck up and use something while he is casting 3 different things in a row, (like I do at least once every week) you can take them all easy
eager hedge
Well, for that one thrash, there is plenty of healing externals available. Its not like theyre useable for anything else on that encounter
sick sentinel
Yeah I got pain supp/ironbark for that one
vagrant cape
Now you can suppress AND ignore your pain as a prot warrior :,)
thorn yarrow
is It bad I used Thrash to K.O one of my guild mates for being a tool an toke a chance to kill him
XD
vagrant cape
Yes
Because instead of addressing your issue with your guild mate through a mature channel you chose to passive-aggressively settle things through a video game that, ultimately, will only make your relationship with this person more difficult and cumbersome.
fallow mural
Yet provide more satisfaction any time you get him killed by Thrash.
vagrant cape
I guess every action has pros and cons.
sick sentinel
"Don't stand next to the tanks"
"But the tank stood next to me"
eager hedge
tfw ur guild thinks fetid is slightly bugged when a random person gets thrash behind the boss 😂
sick sentinel
"He just really likes him"
eager hedge
Only complaint i got about Uldir, is Zek'voz. Jesus the random turning towards "soon to be mc'ed" players during void lash is obnoxious
vagrant cape
Yeah, we got that on our first mythic kill. Almost wiped us but somehow killed no one despite hitting like 12 people.
It's like what the last boss of motherlode used to do when he turned toward the tank and shot him with the last tick of gatling gun
inland mesa
does it not anymore, I can finally do that achievement?
eager hedge
Nah, was fixed a while back
The way we fixed it, was to have our players with buff stand on the right side of the boss, others could be there, but at their own "risk" 😄
But that is annoying to have to deal with
upbeat folio
Can Azerite gear titanforge/warforge?
raven kernel
no
sick sentinel
I do fathoms/jeshowler now mythic+s
survivability too good now dun need blockades.
rich grotto
what talents for leveling 110-120?
stone crag
there's not much variation to the normal talent picks
sick sentinel
pick up herb/mining and a skygolem, you do not even need talents
lvlup and make money 😄
oblique pike
no working for prot warriors again, huh?
stone crag
huh
vocal nimbus
guess he meant no info about changes 🤷
ancient sedge
What kind of DPS are you getting on your tanks ? I main a DH that can pull ~30k burst on packs and it'll settle anywhere between 15-17k once dead (M+10's) though on my Warrior Ilvl 357 I struggle to get 17k main burst and settle between 8-10k
ST ~ 9-10k as DH and 5-6k as Warrior
sick sentinel
are you using Deafening crash Azerite trait with booming voice and Unstoppable force?
mental scarab
I can top like 70k on big boy pulls🤩🤩🤩🤩
And 8k st if i go for dps and surv on bosses
And not
368 ivl
ancient sedge
I don't do no big boy pulls on Bolstering week! I hate the affix
I don't use them as azerite traits no.. I'll have to look into it a little more as i'm obviously doing wrong
sick sentinel
@ancient sedge prot warrior without deafening crash simply does not work IMO, the trait is THAT good
sudden tapir
Perhaps they should add it to thunderclap inherently.
Get it off azerite traits haha..
mint ingot
hi guys! is protection with crit + versality works?
mint ingot
critical blocks do not help? 😦
regal cove
mastery increases your critical block chance
sick sentinel
crit increases parry chance
mint ingot
wanted to have crit + versality just to tank dungeons + and be not a bad arms warrior.
sick sentinel
haste is at the top, but the rest of the secondaries are roughly equal
mint ingot
vers seems to be not a bad stat for arms.
ember arrow
Wrong channel
regal cove
oh, you are trying to stat arms?
sick sentinel
hagor all you need is ilvl, and when comparing 2 pieces get the one with the haste
regal cove
you are in the wrong channel for that hagor
mint ingot
no. I am trying to have protection as second spec for arms
sick sentinel
guys he wants to offspec prot
regal cove
I see.
mint ingot
or offspec arms.
sick sentinel
focus on ilvl and deafening crash trait on gear
mint ingot
as bdk is always a better tank, it would be great to have offspec prot just in case
btw bis trinkets for prot?
tribal valley
any good ProtWar who does youtube videos or stream?
vocal nimbus
sense
tribal valley
Sense?
vocal nimbus
sense
stone crag
Sense
tribal valley
thx
zinc mauve
all the comments that dont reinforce the circle are downvoted as usual
thin whale
which should I use?
jagged bay
370 one cause of the armor + block i'd say
vagrant cape
I second twinrova
thin whale
I guess on other pieces the haste gem might have more value?
but thanks for the opinions
vagrant cape
Generally yeah, gem is about 5 ilvls, but shield ilvl is critically important
severe pond
block value
sick sentinel
Block stat 100% of the time
minor delta
Hi
According to https://azerite.info/class/warrior There is only two items (shoulders) which have Deafening Crash on them? One of which is PvP reward, the other being a world boss drop. Is it normal it is so random to get the best trait?
green isle
welcome to bfa
vagrant cape
There should be at least one pair of shoulders from dungeons. Kraken shell pauldrons I think they're called
storm isle
to get those at an ok ilvl you would need good luck in your +10 chest
sick sentinel
You can get the shoulders this week
Granted you have to cap all the previous times
serene stag
Cap conquest, get a 355 version, get above 2.1k and pray for your pvp cache as well for a 385 one 😃
sick sentinel
I did pvp for 4 hours straight before the raid to have the shoulders
past ledge
the pvp shoulder is 355 right?
past ledge
i have the 355 from world boss
sick sentinel
Then just do your +10 each week and pray
Every week you do not get an azerite piece the next week you have a better chance to get one
storm isle
i really want a weapon or a shield from my weekly chest i allready have 2 385 azerite pices
past ledge
i got a shield last week, i need azerite with DC with high IL xD
im about to do Kings rest +11, any advice before i form the grp?
sick sentinel
Bring a repair hammer
And drums
And a dk
And a priest ( he can spam enslave undead)
Give bleed to a melee so you don't get 2 stacks
mellow bridge
Repair hammer is a good idea when pugging 👌
sick sentinel
And BL on shadow of Zul instead of the last boss
past ledge
good stuff
sick sentinel
Always face the boss that makes the roll, as both attacks are parryable and blockable
past ledge
why should should i get a dk?
sick sentinel
Enslave undead
mellow bridge
you can skip the first two big guys but that's about it unless you have shroud
sick sentinel
What's your comp?
sick sentinel
Correct me if I'm wrong here but you can also parry the bleed
From the zerkers
Also the room after the first boss is literally hell
past ledge
this is going to be alot of fun...
mellow bridge
I recommend a lot of kiting in that room
sick sentinel
Kiting mobs immune to slow and CC 🤔
ember arrow
only the kings are
mellow bridge
- even just leaping full range is already a lot of time for your healer to catch up again
ember arrow
u can hard cc the small skellingtons, one of the adds in the pack bottom left
and the raptor
mellow bridge
^
sick sentinel
Raptor does virtually nothing after 1 damage tick
past ledge
so a dk and a priest is a must
sick sentinel
Mass dispel and shackle undead 👌 👌
dark junco
amber siren
ember arrow
idk why u guys care about reddit
merry cave
Because Reddit will get developer attention as fast as the main forums 🤷
kind urchin
However bad reddit is it seems to be one of the best places to be heard by Blizz right now.
sick sentinel
8.1 promises "more active" and "more interesting" traits
I wonder what they have in store
steep valley
im just setting up my tank set how much haste should i am for
sick sentinel
All of it
Without sacrificing ilvl
ilvl is king, but in the meantime you strive for major haste on your highest pieces
Rings are kind of an exception but not really, if you have any doubts post a screenshot here and we will help you @steep valley
sick sentinel
I would say dread+bonesplitter for rings and dread gloves
steep valley
ok the other ring i have is 340 and i have 2 other gloves but there 340 so that why i did not put them in the pic
ionic ridge
What are your "big dick pulls" in mm+ ?
sick sentinel
Big dick pulls for prot is like
2 packs 😂
@steep valley gotta do those chams of azeroth WQs
steep valley
my neck right now is 375
steep valley
np
tiny umbra
Is it worth dropping from 385 azerite piece to 340 just for deafening crash?
oak girder
I'd say hell no
sick sentinel
Nah
oak girder
Try to find DC on other pieces
tiny umbra
Yeah unfortunetly i dont have any other piece with
Was using the 340 piece for dc, will try switching it up then
sick sentinel
Do pvp and get the 355 shoulder piece
shut summit
frosty wedge
Yeah i'd also use the 340
tiny umbra
Oh, right. Thanks will do that
frosty wedge
you're talking about adding like 40% or more extra uptime to 20% DR
DC is too overpowered to not have, you're gimping yourself without it
lusty grotto
Hey 👢 🍵 👏 ers
shut rapids
Welp I just hit 120 with my warrior and got chest + shoulders from the arathi boss right away
370
frosty wedge
get out
shut rapids
While my 375 bdk still has two 340 pieces
frosty wedge
haha
sick sentinel
Blizz wants you to play prot
shut rapids
I'm for it
My bdk is finished aside from the azerite pieces
Don't even need m+10 gear anymore
I have a 350ish brm monk and a newly leveled prot
And tbh I like prot so much more for some reason
Rewards for knowing the encounter so much more
All the blocks and reflects
frosty wedge
yeah it's harder to play but way more satisfying
sick sentinel
Reflecting a boss spell for like 80k damage feels so good
shut rapids
Is zul in KR reflectable as well?
I'd assume it is
Would want to reflect a few casts back on the raging week
frosty wedge
There's a spreadsheet sense put together of blockable/reflectable spells in raids/dungeons in the pins
shut rapids
Oh that's sick
frosty wedge
yeah it's super helpful
shut rapids
Is there one for blockable things?
frosty wedge
❤ @shut summit
shut rapids
So that I can put in on my 2nd monitor and not get migraine in literally 11.7 seconds?
sick sentinel
If you need it again it's in the pins
languid smelt
Can someone pin that goggle doc?
frosty wedge
it is pinned
sick sentinel
smh
blissful imp
leveling my resto druid alt
out of all the tanks i've healed in BFA dungeons
warrior was the easiest by far. feelsgoodman
vagrant cape
About the blockable/reflectable spreadsheet in the pins, if the boss is said to have a magical "auto attack" does this mean the boss does not melee and thus we should use our rage for ignore pain and not waste it on shield block?
Because the last two bosses of motherlode appear to have unblockable "auto attacks"
So I'm wondering if I've been hindering myself by wasting rage on shield blocks
And I had no idea the last boss of motherlode had a reflectable magic auto attack Holy shit.
ember arrow
I mean
sick sentinel
Yeah it's really nice
sick sentinel
Wait where do I look for that
sick sentinel
Logging m+ 🤔
ember arrow
Yea
Exorsus raid tools does it automatically if u enable it
Idk why the 🤔
Combat log isnt same as warcraftlog
Its a vanilla wow feature
sick sentinel
I actually enabled it and always forgot to upload it so the combat log was becoming huge
uneven mason
the warcraft logs uploader will parse that all out and ask you what you wanna upload
ember arrow
Every so often
solid mist
How are you seeing blocked % in details?
chrome falcon
odd ridge
frosty wedge
I just did an LFR and there was a 358 fury warr doing 4.5k DPS
sick sentinel
ugh
buoyant bobcat
Hello, I was wondering if a prot warrior with knowledge of warcraftlogs could help me with an issue. We have a prot warrior main tank and my healers have been complaining to me that he is very difficult to heal. However, I was looking at our last raid night (M Zek'voz progression) and noticed that in terms of damage taken, our vengeance DH is taking much more overall. Also at least as far as I can see, in our 20 pulls, our prot only used 3 brezzes, which isn't ideal but I don't think is unreasonable for progression.
This is all our wipes (20 on M Zekvoz) last raid. I would greatly appreciate if someone smart with this spec could see if Funnylooken is doing something fundamentally wrong and why is it that the healers are complaining about him specifically?
hot locust
Because jumping on the bandwagon is the fun thing to do and while the DH can save itself in dire moments from healers that have a difficult time healing properly a protection warrior has no way to do so.
Looks to me like he is having problems with the tank combo
On your best pull he died twice to it, eating 2 brezzes
buoyant bobcat
Yes, on Wipe 20, our best, he did particularly poorly.
hot locust
If your healers are unaware the combo reduces healing recieved by 50% and then the end reduces again for 100% healing reduction
so he will sit at low HP for a bit after the combo even if he lives
and if your healers arent paying attention and trying to spam him up
his HP wont move
Tell your warrior to save Last Stand because he can use it on every single combo.