^^
#protection
old night
sand egret
hold up
junior ivy
it was 'do these neat things'
i felt like i had an actual cool job
and not just taunt at X stacks
old night
thats what I like about uldir
sand egret
if enhance is getting anything its 2-handed fucking weapons
old night
its not taunt swap or soak only for tanks
steel mauve
Idk why we havent had a non plate/leather tank, and their fixation on literally those 2 armor values being tanks
old night
we get to do fun stuff
junior ivy
yeah
sand egret
arcanite reaper windfury crits
junior ivy
i love orb running on heroic ghuun
old night
corehound tooth and gutgore ripper. I was god level on my server
frosty wedge
and it's proc... could proc it's proc
vagrant cape
demon hunters should have been mail.
old night
that 1.4 speed offhand with deadly poison
sand egret
I 1-shot a raid mob once
frosty wedge
and it's proc would proc windfury
old night
ill fuck your shit up m8
sand egret
and everyone was like....."wat the fuck just happened"
frosty wedge
I one shotted a prot warrior flag carrier in warsong
chrome lance
... All of tanking since TBC has been, pretty much: tank swap, soak, move mob here, stand with tank to split cleave, interupt this or that. Like .... all of it. It is in the job description.
frosty wedge
b/c I got an insane string of procs
sand egret
my computer took a dump because of the combat log exploding
frosty wedge
lol
sand egret
it proced like 20 times
chrome lance
"Boring" is sorta what we do if we are doing it right.
sand egret
basically, I shoulda won the lottery
frosty wedge
yeah I had a string of like 8-9 procs
sand egret
also a thing: Prot pallies 1-shotting world bosses via Reck bombs
You bet your ass someone is going to do that ASAP if that's still a thing
marble pelican
as tanks what addons you guys running?
chrome lance
I run every addon on curse ... ALL OF THEM I NEED THE INFO!
frosty wedge
details, I use elvUI - so those plated set to tank
plates*
also weakauras
"gottagofast"
dejacharacterstats
bigwigs/littlewigs
chrome lance
^^Solid. Heh. Big Wigs and DBM fight still even?
frosty wedge
I just like the configurability of bigwigs, also the sounds
I don't like DBM's sound effects, lol
thorn yarrow
tbh since Im capped to heroic due to my work schedule I run no add-ons
just gotta get gud
most of the shit gets called out or is hella noticeable
old night
anyone else sitting at low of haste as I am with 10%? I feel so fucking slow
but ive been following the gear guidelines of ilvl over anything
unless its same ilvl then go with the stat priority
signal plover
WA is honestly the only one I can't live without. Boss mods are great for emphasizing things and invaluable from a raid lead perspective, but my play improved dramatically when I started using WAs back in WoD
old night
yeah true. I do forget about that
old night
I guess I feel it more on single target? ITF only procs off of enemies right
thorn yarrow
pets/players/npcs "most of them"
certain non combat npcs dont trigger it noticed that in Boralus
chrome lance
Watch it jump all over the place in a capital city. Its fun. 😄
old night
rumbling
thorn yarrow
enlighten me
neon tangle
@thorn yarrow depends on the fight
and your group
lots of group stuns makes rumbling less useful
frosty wedge
I'm sitting at 15% haste unbuffed
neon tangle
stormbolt is great for some stuff where you can ahve a second stun, i.e. tentacles on g'huun
frosty wedge
which is actually lower than it was like 5 ilvls ago
brave jetty
The # of situations wher eyou won't use Intimidating Shout because of nearby packs is....quite high in M+
Turning it into a 100% reliable AoE hard CC / interrupt
Is....quite fucking nice
frosty wedge
excep t everything breaks that shit immediately
brave jetty
It doesn't matter that it breaks immediately
thorn yarrow
then wouldnt it be just as ez to use Shockwave? an having it back faster on the off chance something else gets pulled an u need to regroup
thorn yarrow
I mean u can use both as well regardless
brave jetty
No, you can't
thorn yarrow
an if IS is gona break regardless of the situation
brave jetty
Because oftentimes it's very risky to intimidating shout
And risk someone not breaking and getting feared off to another pack
thorn yarrow
any time I have ever used it dont get me wrong the ability breaks instantly
@junior ivy yes
its baseline
thorn yarrow
oof
junior ivy
should i use it in m+?
brave jetty
Yes lol
thorn yarrow
double check ur spell book in case u missing anything else ❤
frosty wedge
so the reason I mentioned it breaks immediately is b/c I use it in m+ and shit never gets far enough away to make it a problem
thorn yarrow
it will light up
frosty wedge
I use it as an interrupt all the time
and the fears get broken pretty much immediately
thorn yarrow
@frosty wedge same tbh
junior ivy
i miss heroic strike 😦
brave jetty
they usually do
dusk locust
batshark it's your fault i switched to menace 😛
brave jetty
How do you like it?
frosty wedge
if they don't...Is tormbolt the runner.
dusk locust
i like it a lot
frosty wedge
as a class with kinda limited utility, I want as many different interrupts/stuns as possible
brave jetty
Anyways, yeah they break immediately often. I think Rumbling Earth and Stormbolt are good as fuck. But I'm often in situations in M+ where I'm pretty fucking close to another pack and even say, 1s duration of a fear could pull something and I don't like to chance it whatsoever.
chrome falcon
I've never had IS ninja pull
As long as you have some kind of aoe ground effect it never happens
dusk locust
it's rare but costly
frosty wedge
yeah that's fair, I just don't think those situations outweight the benefit of the other talents
brave jetty
I've had it happen
dusk locust
also i did a super leet pull once where i had menace and feared the 3 fearing pterodactyls in teeming atal, and we pulled 1 by 1
grim prism
Ive had a bad shout cause a chainpull
brave jetty
I'm a big fan of Rumbling Earth, too
grim prism
Rare, but not impossible
neon tangle
implying your group wouldn't just AoE everything
brave jetty
But I know I really like the reliability of Menace
Not saying they won't, of fucking course they will
chrome falcon
So here's the problem
brave jetty
But shit happens
chrome falcon
Menace is just giving you reliability
The other 2 talents give you access to something you don't otherwise have
The potential power of the other two is SO much higher
neon tangle
I got a plan for you, if IS pulls something extra
blow a CD
get threat
GUNSHOOES
brave jetty
The margins get pretty thin on higher keys
It's not like I can't survive a surprise extra pack or something now and again
But I also don't want to pull packs we don't want to pull for the sake of the timer
Especially on weeks like this with bolstering
frosty wedge
for sure
brave jetty
There are also some packs, particularly with multiple ranged mobs, where you DO get the full value of the cower
I'm not out here trying to argue that it's strictly better or anything
I've extensively used all three talents in that tier
And honestly I just really like Menace lol
dusk locust
the ranged mob thing is smart actually i'm gonna use that
chrome falcon
Also if you're pushing you're pretty much supposed to save IS for spawn of ghuun
neon tangle
@brave jetty I'm just shitposting, it's definitely a valid option
sick sentinel
intimidating shout is really helpful when you need to interrupt abillities that can only be interrupted by stuns ( like activating mech in motherlode)
fervent harness
is anyone else finding alot of value out of ravager for holding aggro in these skittish weeks?
sick sentinel
or spawns for Ghuun yeah
dusk locust
i don't need anything beyond our usual talent loadout for skittish
brave jetty
I am not because I don't run Ravager because never run Ravager
sick sentinel
James, stop
neon tangle
@fervent harness ravager does like 1x Devastate of damage
it's ~worthless damage wise
raven kernel
ravagerlmao
fervent harness
😃
leaden carbon
@neon tangle but muh animations
thorn yarrow
thats it Im gona Ravager now
bitter venture
only week i used ravager was during necrotic
just to try out the parry
still prefer AM
signal plover
@lilac onyx quick navigation
bitter venture
Weird question: would you take a 30 ilvl upgrade on azerite if it had arms traits on it still?
i feel like the extra stam and str is worth it, but i always get flamed out of groups lmao
lilac onyx
thanks! thats what ive been running
bitter venture
my azerite change is over 20k per right now
sand egret
dammit, did I miss the Menace conov?
uneven mason
menace +++
Quality shittalent
Although, I guess it could have some use
if every mob that you'd wish it would work on wasn't immune to it
bitter venture
god i forgot to swap to arms for my weekly chest and now i have a 385 shield lmao
uneven mason
Stormbolt wat
thats ok - I did the same thing a few weeks back - got a 380 Geti when I was still using a 350 shield
bitter venture
oof
uneven mason
I mean, same but reversed
quality arms action now tho
guild keeps going "HEY
you should be DPS
and I go 🖕 If I have to suffer being prot so do you
bitter venture
every time i tell my guild i have a tank off spec
they act like they've never heard of prot warrior
uneven mason
YOUR TEARS SUSTAIN ME
bitter venture
"prot war? is that a new thing? never heard of em"
bitter venture
ya war tank is fine for raiding
neon tangle
I somehow ended up in a n-mythrax pug w/ another prot warrior
I see why people don't like us
bitter venture
when you can predict all damage and mitigate as necessary
neon tangle
he cast SB a -single- time
bitter venture
i struggle a bit tanking 14+ ish
obviously, with a frost mage and misdirect im fine
uneven mason
everyone does
bitter venture
but that was nothing to do with war
bitter venture
yeah i was gonna say
uneven mason
but that is nothing todo with protwar
bitter venture
i can almost facetank on my friends 362 bdk
uneven mason
SKILLLLLLLSTORM
bitter venture
hue
they should give us the bladestorm from the uldir trash
the one that has leech
heheheh
uneven mason
Can confirm to fix prot warrior, make TC heal for damage delt
bitter venture
i can get on board with that
raven kernel
thats a vote of confidence right there
uneven mason
Sounds like a plan
bitter venture
will you carry my 15 shrine this week
uneven mason
In general, we're easy to heal
bitter venture
i can pay you with well wishes and cheerleading
uneven mason
its when you endup with a genius like Sadbox got for his cotank
that Prot gets a bad name
like I have a prot warrior in my old guild (apperntly we just swapped lastnight!)
Who died on the first boss of TD
at +8
didn't cast SB
once
his healer was like "yeah we're done"
bitter venture
99% of prot warrior is charge auto attack shield block shield slam shield block dead
uneven mason
well
bitter venture
they forget they have demo shout and ip
try to just do damage
use sb as a ss modifier
neon tangle
I mean, guy had a bunch of other issues, including not taking unstoppable force
(he took Dragon Roar)
raven kernel
i just wish we had more sb charges/uptime
neon tangle
and never using avatar either
raven kernel
you know its super annoying when
bitter venture
ya when you compare sb to paladin's sor
raven kernel
my sb runs out and i know my co tank will taunt in 3s
and i dont wanna sb again for only 3 s
but if i dont im gonna get whacked
sand egret
nothing more annoying than being dead, though.
bitter venture
what if they made SB a 12 second activated skill that recharges 1 second of it every 2 seconds or something, modified by haste
sand egret
IP and Pray?
bitter venture
am i crazy or was there a thing where revenge made your next ip free and vise versa
haven't played prot ina while
bitter venture
ah
sand egret
and some dillhole decided to use the same icon for both buffs
bitter venture
lmao
also, sorry i hate using this phrase over and over, but is it me or does IP prevent a ridiculously small amount of damage
sand egret
it feels underwhelming for a lot of people
bitter venture
it has 0 scaling of any kind
sand egret
Strength scales your IPs
bitter venture
because when i take off my gear, the amount stays the same
weird let me try again
26610
you're right
im an idiot
sand egret
don't worry, we sometimes may ignore facts as well as pain from time to time 😆
bitter venture
hahah
neon tangle
It would help if it scaled w/ the damage you're taking like Death Strike
hard/weird to do as a shield tho
sand egret
then it becomes reactive
neon tangle
yeah
sand egret
which is kinda the opposite of its purpose
bitter venture
what if it prevented 90% of incmoing damage and was not on the gcd
ah fuck oh wait
bitter venture
ya tbh im almost at the point where im going to take revenge off the war
off the bar*
never have a moment to use it on m+
sand egret
hmmm, I dunno, it gets use on my bar /shrug
bitter venture
how do you have a moment to use it in high keys
after 12, my eyes are literally popping out of my eyes staring at my rage bar for enough rage to use ip again
unless im kiting, but at that point you can't use revenge anyway
actually i do sneak it in here and there on bosses during mechs
oh speaking of which, i need to get a weakaura for ip tracking
sand egret
well to be fair, at higher keys you aren't exactly "tanking" as much as you are kiting
so you ain't wrong, but I was going to say (although not much of a deal the more damage you're taking per hit) but don't waste IP
bitter venture
yeah
sand egret
a tracker is solid for that
sand egret
I believe so
bitter venture
oh cool i got the ip and block tracker
always fun to get a new weakaura or addon
makes me wanna go tank again and try them out hehe
bitter venture
no one here said they were rage starved
manic sentinel
355 Blockades or 365 Rezans?
ember arrow
apples or oranges?
tardy lily
when in doubt sim it over at raidbots or simc if you re familiar
vocal nimbus
when in doubt ask here and never sim it
because simc prot warr module is broken and not working currently
tardy lily
but I think blockades is better except str is deffo higher on rezan then take rezan
@vocal nimbus okay that I did not know
my bad
vocal nimbus
dont worry ¯_(ツ)_/¯
for 10s i would wear the highest dps setup i could get
if you are not experienced enough in m+ i would take the blockades and another good defensive trinket
crystal night
Ok boiz I'm gonna toss two different azerite set ups at yah, let me know which sounds tankier
Set up A = 940 helmet-deafening crash , 970 shoulder-bloodsport, 955 chest- bloodsport----------------------------------- Set up B = 955 helmet- archive of the Titans, 955 shoulders- deafening crash, 955 chest - brace for impact
hot locust
Well since it's 940+ that's gonna probably make you strong enough to solo bosses!
But I think setup B is better in most cases.
You're getting more ilvl on the bigger primary piece (helm) for dropping it on the smaller piece (shoulders)
Also gaining a BFI over a bloodsport which is worth by itself.
chrome falcon
@bitter venture I find it pretty easy to use revenges in m+ during last stand since you don't need to use rage on SB
I basically go full aggro every other pack with LS+Avatar TC>Rev>TC>IP rotation
then play super defensive on the other packs
stark wraith
Go archive helmet crash shoulders and brace chest
tidal fjord
Yeah B is leagues better
stark wraith
The 970 is nice but crash is much better
tidal fjord
Just weird crash placement--both A and B have crash
but at the end of the day you're getting a lil' extra ilvl and 2 bloodsports out of A.
and bloodsport is a solid C-
stark wraith
Hopefully you get lucky next week and get crash on a 985, I got lucky with mine but hopefully we can all get one
modern brook
should i replace either of those ?
gloomy crow
no
junior ivy
😦
gloomy crow
too high
frosty wedge
LOL
modern brook
good ol' tunie boy
jaunty void
Milk it. That bronto mount doesn’t buy itself
vagrant cape
How the fuck did you get 370? warfront?
strong forum
pvp
vagrant cape
oh damn. I should get in on that
vagrant cape
what would y'all use, a 345 rezan or a 370 disc dps trinket thingy?
strong forum
rezan
strong forum
you can get tokens from the caches you get
those tokens depend on your rating
and can increase gladiator items to the respective level
frank oracle
Anyone heard about changes in 8.1?
strong forum
@wowhead
so assuming you havent done any pvp byron you would have to get the cap like 4 times
vagrant cape
I felt a huge difference in tankiness going from a 325 shield to a 345. I really wanna boost my 350 shield to a 370 and see how it feels
I've done some pvp
I think I got 2 conquests caps
I didn't knwo you could upgrade the gear with tokens
neon tangle
@vagrant cape I went from a 345 to a 370 and it was wonderful
vagrant cape
Tell vectis to drop a shield for me. I've killed and coined him four weeks in a row
And I almost exclusively run tol dagor, underrot, motherlode, and atal
cedar crane
hello! wich weapon is better for warrior tank? Sharkbait's Fishhook (freehold) or Servant Splitter (WM) ? same ilvl
pseudo reef
Great is the weapon that cuts on its own 😈
bitter venture
overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
jagged bay
on same ilvl i'd take the sharkbait one cause of stats
cedar crane
Thank you! :3
finite gull
Hey guys, So i only just found out about the Deafening Crash 1 point needed. I have shoulders with it. 2nd row is Overwhelming Power which is very bad for tank cuz it loses stacks on damage right?
finite gull
Oh true? The other options is Gutripper and Crystalline Carapice which seem very lackluster
chrome falcon
Carapace is not great but it's fine
open bluff
i'd use OP out of those
finite gull
Thanks guys 😃
finite gull
I dont respec often enough to get that high haha, cost me 20g
chrome falcon
i've respecced to do some pvp like 3 times
but when you respec for pvp you have to change 3 items
so the price goes up INSANELY fast
glossy bramble
pretty sure mine is like 10g or less lmao
ive reforged like maybe 5 times all expac
chrome falcon
It's really stupid
I spec fury for PvP so i have to change 3 items
Then I spec back to prot for pve so i change 3 items
so just to do some pvp i've respecced 6 times
past ledge
Hey guys, can someone explain how raider io works ? and how long it takes for the run to register ?
stark raft
vagrant cape
@past ledge copying from when I explained this is another discord server:
Only top 500 scores for the week count, but they're registered on raider.io as soon as the dungeon is completed if it's in the top 500 for that week.
For instance, the first 500 people (100 dungeon groups) that complete a dungeon WILL get raider.io score for those, even if they run a +2 in over three hours. After that, those people have the top 500 slots so if anyone wants to get a raider.io score they have to score higher than one of them. So if I complete a +7 way crest it's basically guaranteed to count on Tuesday but by Friday night there may be more than 500 registered runs for way crest manor that beat my score for my +7, so I don't get any raider.io score (even if my previous best was a +6 way crest)
The scores generally update on logout (occasionally sooner with the raider.io app)
junior ivy
i realized something
if i keep thunderclapping, i can ahve demo shout basically permanently
vagrant cape
That's technically a word one could use to describe how one feels about another.
I'm more proud of you after every interaction with you.
I learned you tanked mythic taloc and I was like, "Damn, that's pretty cool I've never tanked mythic taloc."
And then I saw your logs and I was like, "Damn. I'm proud of them for not dying even though they thunderclap once a minute."
And then I learned you click your abilities and I was like, "Shit, you downed mythic taloc while clicking thunderclap once a minute?!?"
And now I'm just amazed that you did all of that while only realizing just now that thunderclap gives you an insane duration on demo shout.
You're an icon, Catfriend
junior ivy
😄
earnest zinc
Dang, I saw some guild recruit only Blood DK and Brew that's 5/8H
Bad guild is bad I guess
dusty prairie
for a guy whos primarily always played with his guild are the pugs/finding a raid team as bad as the forums make it seem? My guild didnt seem to mind me bringing my prot into mythic raids
earnest zinc
You will have a difficult time as a prot warrior getting the spot
Basically you are screwed if your guild falls apart
Though this is mainly a problem because of tank spots being hard to get in general
dusty prairie
we seem to be doing fine at least, had a 1% wipe on Vectis so i assume we'll be fine, progress feels a little slow but i doubt that'd make our guild fall apart
earnest zinc
Though if it does, you still have mythic exp so it won't be as bad for you most likely
I didn't realize you had mythic exp as I was just skimming
dusty prairie
but sucks to hear that the forums arent to far off with their doomsaying on prot warr's position
earnest zinc
Prot Warrior is not bad, but it has a bad reputation
It's weaker than Blood and Brew, but not to the point where it's obsolete
It also takes more skill with prot to not die
A lot of the pug prot warriors don't know how to play and it punishes them more
dusty prairie
i did all cutting edge's last expansion, as far as experience just our guild had to do quite of bit of restructuring in BFA since we xfered to horde from allies
earnest zinc
The pug blood and brews can get away with making mistakes easier
dusty prairie
ya, i can see that, im just glad necrotic weeks have gone by hopefully that'll ease it up on pugs i guess
digital arrow
catfriend, the hero
dusty prairie
was kinda annoying we had 2 necrotic weeks almost back to back
digital arrow
or heroine, sorry
earnest zinc
Prot actually is weak in M+, but you should be fine for +10 or lower. There will be pugs that are overly elitist and wait on that perfect DK
Never mind the fact that it's a lot easier to fuck up parts in M+ as Blood
dusty prairie
maybe ill try giving pugs a go to see then, I already have +10s done on all keys except shrine, which is still no key complete haha.
earnest zinc
Do something stupid with positioning as warrior? Don't worry, you can heroic leap
Do something stupid with positioning as DK? You are dead unless you are lucky enough for there to be a distant mob to AoE death grip everything to
It's just their self healing covers up fuckups at lower keys
chrome falcon
There is very little "stupid with positioning" you can do as BDK though
Mobility is not actually particularly strong in m+
You can just drop DnD and run the fuck away
Lightstep pot if you really need to
The problem with a class's specialty being "mobility" is that there is literally a consumable in the game that does the same thing
Can you imagine having a mass grip scroll? An engineering item that stunned all mobs for 3 seconds? I don't understand why mobility has an item
Sorry just my "fuck skystep potion" rank for the day
vivid sapphire
Anyone know of anything confirmed for us Prot Warriors in 8.1 yet?
amber siren
Nothing yet
cloud bone
mass grip scroll imagine
raven kernel
death strike scrolls monkaS
vagrant cape
hey, at least prot warriors trivialize the cover-based shooting section of siege 😏
and we can leap over the orbs in temple
and the brown swirly bridge in temple
and we can get away from the irontide boss in shrine
and we can make our way back to the final boss of temple to interrupt
and we can get to cannons pretty fast in tol dagor
and we can fuckin' play football like a champ on the first motherlode boss
and we can easily get to a totem that's falling behind on the zombie atal boss
I started this as a meme, but I'm now very thankful for heroic leap
it saved my ass as arms on mythic zek
was able to get back after dropping a cloud
during the darkness circles
I also tend to fuck up the last boss of motherlode a lot and heroic leap saves most/all of my bacon
also helps get the tree boss in waycrest into the fire super easily (unless the fire ends up on the edges like it seems to do 95% of the time ffs)
and it repositions the sharks in freehold
fuck man, heroic leap is REALLY good
next sable
What's the highest key you guys have done as a prot warrior?
chrome harbor
so in kings rest shadow of zul, how do you guys handle that because I felt like I just had my pants down and was all lubbed up
on fortified
modern brook
at what point do we start replacing blockades with other trinkets?
vivid sage
@chrome harbor you handle that with a tight butthole
chrome harbor
so basically by the end of a fortified week ill have Kegels of steel
primal crypt
small flicker
but its just stamina. does it count as a heal?
vagrant cape
@next sable I did a +11 motherlode and missed it by ~4 minutes due to an extra pack of rock lancers getting pulled
also, @small flicker " Whenever the deck is shuffled, heal a small amount of health and gain additional stamina. Amount of both stamina and healing depends on the topmost card of the deck."
it's a heal AND stamina
it's quite good for us since we lack ways to raise our HP, but we protect every hit point like real motherfuckers
(except when enemies throw rocks at us, then we're boned)
"This seems like a pretty good shield, general. What does it work against?"
"Oh, every kind of weapon imaginable. Maces, swords, axes, hammers, fists, clubs, polearms, spears, knives, daggers, lances..."
"And of course arrows and crossbow bolts too, I presume?"
"...What the fuck are those?"
both look closer at the shield to see that it's full of arrow-sized holes
"God fucking damn it."
signal plover
A classic design flaw
small flicker
lol
lost mauve
Is there any trick to skittish other than just bringing a rogue or hunter
amber siren
Use avatar frequently, make sure to tab through targets, use taunt often
dreamy zealot
On the topic of blockades - What trinkets would you take if you had the choice of 370 Rezans, 375 Xalzaix, and 355 Blockades?
next sable
I'm playing around with Xalzaixs and Disc of Systematic Regression right now lol
fickle kiln
How hard is it to sim four damaging abilities?
amber siren
It's not about adding four abilities together to get a number, there are a lot of interactions with stats and gear that require math that I know I'm not capable of
Honestly most of us are fortunate people do that stuff for free
tiny sphinx
i remember when heroic leap was going to be introduced... in wrath's beta, but someone fucked that up for us and it got delayed an entire expansion cycle
next goblet
bet later in the xpac prot war will be super good
small flicker
prot war can extend demo shout for a full CD cycle with azerite traits. its basically having shieldwall up for 20seconds
next goblet
^^
i love it
what website can i use to check to see who the highest geared prot war on my server is?
nvm i found it
highest ilvl prot warrior on my server is 365.56 as of Oct. 5th.. i can totally beat that
my goal is to be the highest geared prot warrior on my server
last hound
How many are grinding Tol Dagor for Jes' Howler? Mines a 345 and I feel I should really get an upgraded version asap
next goblet
im 356 ilvl right now @clear sapphire lol so i KNOW i can catch up no issue, just gotta run hella m+ because i dont get to tank for my guild
clear sapphire
@next goblet I guilted my guild to let me continue to tank as a Prot war :p...
Though I just got a BDK to 337 today so if I get guilted I can continue "for the greater good"
clear sapphire
That and I want to run higher keys so I'm getting him up to do that : l since meta yo
next goblet
fuck the meta
as long as i get +10s in im happy
this group
i did a +4 atal
cuz fuggit
they died 31 times
at least i got a 350 mace from it, currently rocking a 350 crit/haste sword from emissary, so i guess its a sidegrade
native plinth
Hey guys ! I want to push some keys as a tank. Is it better to stack crit or mastery ?
next goblet
hmm
ilvl > haste> mast=vers
even tho crit gives us parry, its still not a reliable method of defensive stacking
native plinth
ok thank you. But is haste that better for dungeons ? Ok it's fat for raiding but is it really fat in dungeons ?
next goblet
haste is amazing for us regardless
shorter CD on our main abilities, Thunderclap, SS, SB
native plinth
Ok thanks 😃
next goblet
one of our biggest killers in m+ is we cant have our SB up 100% like we used to, so theres gaps in mitigation sometimes
native plinth
Yes i saw that yesterday my healer was like "what the fuck are you doing use SB" and i was "I'm on CD bro !" xDDD
next goblet
i personally got into the habit of weaving last stand in my mitigation gaps, unless its a small pack im not too worried about
native plinth
I see that we can't chain 3 SB and then we are on cd generally
next goblet
because with bolster we have 100% block while we let the SB recharge
native plinth
Yep
severe zinc
Bolster is so nice idk what I would do without it
next goblet
and for the love of god, keep that demo shout on CD lol
native plinth
Yes dont worry about that haha
next goblet
if you do it right you can use it twice in a row and basically keep it up for a very long time ❤
severe zinc
I wish demo shout was off gcd
next goblet
and i think right now vers is actually benefitting us more than mastery? im not 100% sure on that one though
native plinth
I'm something like 14% haste and 40% mastery. Is it too much ?
native plinth
31%
native plinth
haha
next goblet
what ilvl are you?
next goblet
thats solid
next goblet
ahhhh nice
i havent been playing my warrior as much so im only 356 😦
but i've decided i want to be the top geared prot war on my server so here i am, back to playing prot ❤ my fav tank spec
native plinth
it's enough to do some +8 dude let's go 😃
native plinth
yes
next goblet
guild wanted me to dps but now i cant raid because my days off changed, so now i do muh own thang
native plinth
erf
next goblet
i can really only go with them 1 night out of the week 🤷🏿
native plinth
yup.
next goblet
so i just host the alt runs and gear everyones alts the other night, pug whatever doesn't fill
but yeah man you'll be fine in m+ for sure
native plinth
I'm playing fury but i switch to tank because fury is a little too weak for me atm. So i'll stop raiding soon
next goblet
crits just our last stat that we want really
native plinth
ok 😃
next goblet
oh make sure you get a deafening crash trait on one of your pieces
native plinth
I saw that some of prot warriors on the TOP10 world mm+ are stacking crit but ...
native plinth
Yes that's what i'm trying to do but .... niéééé it doesn't what to come with me haha
But i think mastery is better
i'll do something like you sid ilvl>haste>mastery
next goblet
make us proud 😄
next goblet
thats the goal man
native plinth
the goal is to be 1st world but ... eeeeeeeeeeeeeh xD
icy island
imo a nice simple fix to pro warr is make ignore pain passive, everytime we hit with shield slam to get ignore pain, maybe not this numbers ( 30k+ abosrb ) but would have been so nice
next goblet
that'd be too OP
icy island
something around 10k absorb and maybe not so maybe resets on shield slam i don't know
it would be more fluid
next goblet
or just take it off GCD lol
stone crag
that's even less likely
next goblet
or give it a buff to justify it being on GCD
not a crazy buff
but a buff, increase the duration and maybe increase the absorb or % absorbed
icy island
@next goblet for DK is not to OP to have everything baked in Death Strike?
next goblet
thats their mitigation
icy island
they don't need 1 GCD to keep agro and 1 GCD to mitigate
next goblet
noice
next goblet
@icy island death strike alone wont allow a DK to hold aggro, its literally their mitigation. they just bake it into their rotation to avoid RP cap
- they cant even use it until they have enough RP..
- look at damage taken logs of prot war vs BDK, theres a reason why they have something that powerful.
w/o something like that, they'd be a meme
shadow lynx
Hey guys, old prot warri Main here, im thinking about going back to my old Main, But some People told me Prot warri is pretty weak atm. Is it playable in higher m+? Or does it rly suck that Hard?
amber siren
It's complex, you'll be able to do roughly the same content as any other tank class but you'll have to work harder for it
shadow lynx
What u mean exactly by Complex? Ive played warri since Vanille until the end of WOD
Right now im playing Hunter cause i wanted something easy, But its more boring than i thought 😅
amber siren
The very short answer is that all tanks can do the some content, but it's not a 1:1 comparison
A warrior doing a +15 key will require more coordination than a BDK doing the same
Not that it's impossible
But you'll have to work that extra mile
shadow lynx
As Long as its viable i can live with that
amber siren
If viability is all you're looking for then you'll be 100% fine with prot
mellow bridge
What kinda content do you want to do Insult?
Unless youre trying to be very near the world first high keys I wouldnt worry too much tbh
shadow lynx
K Nice i Dont wanna Play any really high keys. Just Farming +10
shadow lynx
Like i Said, ive played warri since Classic, so i know a Bit how to handle it 🤣
Just have to Figure out when i have to use shield block and When ignore pain. Thats kinda New for me
& ive Heared warri is pretty Strong in raids? At least stronger than in m+
?
shadow lynx
K ty for your Infos, i Think i will lvl my warrior now and give it a try
merry cave
I'd level a pally it's like a war but better :P
shadow lynx
Yeah but the Problem is: its just like a warri, and Not "its a warrior" 😅
mellow bridge
Paladin is just ResidentSleeper
mellow bridge
yikes
shadow lynx
More important: they cant be orcs
merry cave
Can't be trolls... yet
amber siren
👀
stone crag
🤔
proven tundra
you guys mind weighing in on some trinkets?
jes and dread incur 30sec CD on eachother
need to pick 2
ancient galleon
What traits do i want to run as prot? Just wanna farm +5's and I hate queues
mellow bridge
stone crag
rezan's and jes
definitely
you always want 1 Deafening crash, then the rest are more dependent on ilevel @ancient galleon
proven tundra
jes probably pulls ahead in terms of adding dps and surv to the rest of the group
mellow bridge
It's not more vers tho
proven tundra
which is important
mellow bridge
and doesnt buff your group either
vocal nimbus
it is to yourself
proven tundra
i think its a bit more self vers but way less overall
assuming you get max people with it
vocal nimbus
370 jes gives me around 690~ vers getting 5 people
tbf i dont see a real benefit from the group buff
stone crag
because there is no self benefit from buffing others, you get more verse if it's only on yourself
stone crag
but second highest verse granted is a full stack
mellow bridge
it literally gives you 1k
vocal nimbus
no
mellow bridge
- extra when buffing your group
vocal nimbus
its divided
vocal nimbus
and then buff you
stone crag
proven tundra
with 5 people its like 720 or something iirc
i think ill go with jes
thanks guys
elder isle
is blockades still worth taking ?
stone crag
that depends more on the options you have, blockades hasn't gotten nerfed so it's respective value is still the same
elder isle
got the jes howler which is base trinket I use + I have the tendril from ghuun and dooms fury(crit one from Wboss) and the blockades
amber siren
it's my highest simming single target trinket in arms right now, it's underbudget but not terrible 🤷
elder isle
I could prolly try jes + dooms fury instead of blockades for less surv but more deeps
sick sentinel
I was a little bit against macroing all things to one button but I gave up and made a macro to use Avatar+orc racial+dooms fury
For big deeps
Also yeah, dooms fury and jes is the option I would take as well
elder isle
@sick sentinel could I get that please ? PM
prisma plume
sick sentinel
It's a simple macro but I can pm it to you gimme a sec
elder isle
I figured it out man thanks 😃
sick sentinel
it was simple 😛
vagrant cape
That macro is inefficient because of avatar being on the GCD
Ideally you want to use avatar and then all your instant-casts the moment before your first damaging ability
So it would be avatar > demo shout > racials/trinkets/etc + Thunderclap
So if you macro the stuff with avatar you waste a GCD basically
amber siren
trinkets and some racials arent on gcd
i.e. arcane torrent is on gcd, troll berserking isnt
junior ivy
do you use avatar or demo shout first?
hexed jacinth
Avatar
junior ivy
how come? shouldnt i rather waste a gcd of demo shout?
severe pond
on pre-pull
mellow bridge
Yeah I usually Avatar right before pulling
Avatar - charge - demo shout - start clapping
for dungeons at least, idk much about raids tbh as those dont interest me much
steel mauve
If you demo then avatar thats less gcds for demo shout that you can tclap for the extension, its literally always better to avatar before deml, and always better to avatar before pullingtrash so you have 1 less gcd at the start of a fight
junior ivy
ok good to know
steel mauve
And ideally i would cast a tclap before demo on pull, demo does 0 threat and your dps will be doing threat, you need it first then do demo, i especially wouldnt avat then demo then tclap on pull
uneven mason
right, ava - charge - tc - ds - tc
amber siren
you avatar before because of gcd lock
it's not mandatory but it makes it a ton easier
steel mauve
If you avatar after delo you lose 1.5 seconds of demo not tclapping
Demo*
So you literally waste extending and extend it LESS not more
daring marlin
What you just said makes no sense. I guarantee you I have a higher DS uptime than you which will equate to more DR and DPS.
steel mauve
Demo > 1.5 seconds > avatar (3 seconds) > tclap
daring marlin
It's the same reason if you have lust at the start of a fight you should sit on your second demo until avatar comes back up again.
steel mauve
Avatar > demo 1.5 seconds > tclap
vocal nimbus
you avatar prepull because 1. it saves you a global during the actual fight and 2. demo doesnt reach the pull before charging
steel mauve
You never sit on demo until avatar comes back, youll literally cast twice as many demos its literally half the cd no matter what
vocal nimbus
^
daring marlin
once again
vocal nimbus
avatar each 2 demos lines perfectly
steel mauve
Maintaining above 65% consistently?
steel mauve
70% plus on certain fights, i can guarantee youll have less uptime sitting on demo even during lust and using avatar after demo
amber siren
Lmfao this is actually the stupidest thing to argue over, the DS uptime gain is minimal before or after, most people pre-cast it to get their abilities running off the ground asap
That's literally it
You can post logs if you want to jerk off about your 2% better DS uptime
steel mauve
Its misinformation, which some one could read, think hes right, and then gimp themselves
And then probably read other misinformation, play poorely and then people think prot sucks even more, we try to educate here, not make people play worse
daring marlin
you're misinterpreting what I just said
I only sit on demo ever at the start of a fight IF I HAVE LUST
Because I have enough haste to keep it rolling literally until avatar comes back up
amber siren
Anyone with a brain can see that 1.5 seconds is smaller than 3 seconds with avatar on pull, but you two are literally going to go around in circles until you both provide logs
daring marlin
It extends DS that much
How about you post logs, buddy?
Show me your 99% like I have
amber siren
We're both on the same page that pressing shield slam real hard doesn't mean you're necessarily playing optimally defensively right?
No one cares about your dps log
I meant DS uptime on your logs
Jesus christ
daring marlin
man these dummies in boralus are amazing
you can test your DS uptime on them too
80-85% btw
amber siren
Same I got 100% 🙂
astral crystal
someone said logs but i dont see logs
vast ridge
how does skittish actually work? does it just regularly drop all aggro on mobs or does it just lower your tank aggro multiplier at all times?
main vault
vast ridge
thanks
novel comet
Having trouble deciding between the belts....
Leaning towards the 370 for the Stam, Armor and Mastery upgrades.
steel mauve
Always higher ilvl on armor
weary socket
Hey I saw on wowhead the will remove our mastery - so what is our now one?
signal plover
it's back and reads the same atm
it was a WIP tooltip change and the wowhead stuff is based on datamining
weary socket
-.- sad i hopped for something else
signal plover
btw delaying DS for avatar on pull just because there's a hero makes no sense
signal plover
with standard rotation DS comes up with ~45 secs left on avatar CD
mellow bridge
which ones? I know haste is better but idk if the gem makes it better overall
sick sentinel
I would go with gem here
Going back to demo shout/avatar, I have not tested what he was saying but basically he charges, demo shout and SB before the fist hit, SS for the extra threat a during taunt and then avatar and start extending
I do not dislike it and I do not feel it's bad or anything, I'm sticking to casting avatar pre charge though
where do I find videos on warrior tanks running though mythic dungeons.. I want to learn the ways
mental scarab
What ways🤔
amber siren
Sense might have some vods on his twitch stream of him doing keys
turbid temple
How much is haste cap for prot?
steel mauve
There isnt one
turbid temple
going at 43% inside uldir and wondering how much is too much haste
steel mauve
There is no too much haste
We dont have caps, just get as much as you can with out sacrificing ilvl
sick sentinel
Does your SB have 12 sec cd? If not you do not have enough haste
turbid temple
Says 13s recharge
vagrant cape
Mine gets to 12 with a rezan's proc and 5 ITF does that count?
mellow bridge
wth
winter skiff
i thought its ilvl over haste
vagrant cape
it is
winter skiff
i think im sitting at 13-14 sec charge 360
vagrant cape
but there's never going to be a time where you'll have too much haste
winter skiff
maybe with reza proc i may have 12
vagrant cape
some specs have something like "ilvl > all until you get X% crit, then stop"
not prot warriors
we'll take haste all day baby
I just ran an underrot 8 and there are apparently people who still don't know about the shortcut that opens after the thrid boss
junior ivy
i did two 10s and a 9 last night
siege of boralus, waycrest and then kings rest 9
it was a lot of m+ for one night
funny thing is, i was feeling bad about tanking the first 2, we went 20-30 mins past timer for each
and i was blaming myself
so for the kings rest 9 i asked my friend the DK if he wanted to tank, cause he actually prefers tanking
and i went fury
the kings rest 9 went WAY WORSE than the 2 i tanked
so maybe it wasnt my fault?
storm isle
i feel that m+ have a lot to do about team coordination to help you out as a tank
junior ivy
but lkike identical same 5 peopole for 3 dungeons, we do just as bad when im not tanking
it probably wsnt my fault right?
storm isle
yeah probably
should be a group effort
interupting the right skills, and so on
if dmg is high enough
depending on if you kite and what not
ember arrow
If cds run out you kite
storm isle
well cant help you with that
junior ivy
but he's so nice and i like doing keys with him so idc
storm isle
if your healer dies as prot not much you can do
grim prism
S A F E G U A R D
storm isle
yeah i mean should just be practice
grim prism
Safeguard into the fire with him lol
ember arrow
Yell at him
junior ivy
whats safeguard
storm isle
intercept
ember arrow
U gotta
junior ivy
i never do that
ember arrow
Be kidding me
junior ivy
i nevber intercept people
grim prism
Its a talent that makes them transfer damage to you
junior ivy
ever
junior ivy
i used to use intercept back when we had that amazing stun........
you know, what was it called
i loved it 😦
grim prism
Warbringer
mellow bridge
its gone lol
junior ivy
it got nerfed end of legion then taken away compeltely right?
tame valley
what trinkets are people using for survivability in m+?
raven kernel
jes howler and blockades
mortal pike
Aoeing crawgs
oblique garnet
ah
but shouldnt they die really fast with other dps for tank to not get that high numbers?
mortal pike
Rogues gain alot of ST dmg from hitting them
They respawn unless you have a certain debuff on them when they die
next goblet
@ionic ridge i believe sheep grenades ARE useable in m+ i dont think i saw anyone reply to you
what weapon is technically better? the haste/vers mace from atal or the haste/mast weapon from uldir?
fierce juniper
assuming equal ilvl the haste vers mace
but i mean
both are good
doesn't really matter
steel mauve
No one but sense and the rogues touched the crawgs
next goblet
thats what i thought
ionic ridge
@next goblet thnx
vagrant cape
What do y'all use your coins on?
I save one for heroic vectis cuz 350 shield and I feel like I use the other one on something new each week. This week it got my e 355 DC shoulders from the world boss
mortal pike
Vectis and fetid atm
vagrant cape
Does anyone use their coins on dungeons? Oh yeah, that one hander from fetid is nice
merry cave
I'd have no issue coining atal 10
It's probably better than raid coin until your getting mythic loot
vagrant cape
We're progressing m vectis tomorrow. I didn't know I was even raiding this week for mythic so I blew my coins earlier. God I'd kill for a 385 deflector
severe zinc
Is there an easy way to see how much damage my reflects are doing?
cinder pasture
I'm currently coining mother. I've had shit luck with getting the helmet 😦
vagrant cape
We're 3/8 mythic but 7/8 heroic ama
vocal nimbus
Why arent you killing goon
vagrant cape
because the guild sees no point to it apparently. Most of them apparently pug it. Also we don't want to dedicate a raid night to non-mythic prog
tuesday is our alt night where we do heroic
and then our main raid nights are mythic prog only
and we've yet to down heroic ghuun in one night from a fresh start
floral forum
hey guys. I have a 370 shield from Uldir Vector Deflector(crit, vers). I got a 355 shield last night with haste mastery. think the armor and blocking out weight what the 355 has to offer? apologize if noob question 😮
hushed ravine
You should only press revenge on proc right ?
chrome falcon
Completely situational
In raids, pretty much
In m+ I spam revenge when I'm hiding behind Last Stand or something
teal hamlet
from my experience, it is sometimes needed to use it if you have to gain/save aggro, even if not procced
you are not going to take dmg from mobs that are not aggroed on you anyway
chrome falcon
I'd rather just use globals on shockwave or intimidating shout to protect the people who have aggro
And tell them to run the fuck away
Revenge's damage is such absolute dogshit that it rarely helps rip threat
teal hamlet
well, it definitely prevents stealing from tank trough big dps
so i am doing the revenge+shockwave...
to take aggro back and keep it from resetting...
zinc mauve
If your defensives are already active or not necessary for the time, revenge can be used not for its damage, while its damage is decent, but for reducing the CD of Avatar and Demo shout
if i dont have a proc, the only times i use revenge are when im absolutely overflowing with rage during avatar + demo shout
i still use it from time to time out of that to eek out more damage, but its safer if you dont do that
@floral forum the only possible case you would choose a lower ilvl shield is if you are using the owaines set since it effectively gives 5 or so ilvls from the set bonus. Asides from that, you should always use the higher ilvl. Better shields increase your overall survivability in all cases
floral forum
yeah I figured as much. wanted to hear someone else say it. Thank you @zinc mauve
zinc mauve
no problem
hybrid trench
im so tempted to go 3x callous reprisal lol
stone crag
why...
unborn karma
are there any 8.1 changed for prot confirmed yet?
chilly brook
You really shouldn’t be losing aggro in general on prot unless you’re just not using avatar @teal hamlet
stone crag
@unborn karma no
severe zinc
Anyone able to help me with my question from earlier about spell reflect?
chilly escarp
quick question since im stuck tankign some 10s and thunderclapign my life away... whats a good prot azerite for damage?
stone crag
deafening crash
stone crag
none
sick sentinel
leech is trash.
unless you have a lot. which you wont.
in favor of your other more important secondaries.
surreal maple
consider that i don't raid
sick sentinel
especially since we're a class/specc with no self-applied leech like DHs
surreal maple
just m+
sick sentinel
statement remains the same.
surreal maple
but we do sick aoe dps
teal hamlet
@chilly brook quick scenario: you pop avatar, jump into a pack with heroic leap and use thunder clap and with the rage you generated you use shield block to mitigate incoming damage... sounds standard, right? Then an fellow arms war jumps into the pack as well and starts doing his insane AOE dmg. You are losing aggro like you gained nothing with those moves... And you have to gain it back somehow unless you want the arms war dead... so i use demo+revenge and shockwave to hold them in place and on me...
steel mauve
Dont worry about tertiaries, they arent worth ilvl at all, just if they are on gear great, but dont sacrifice ilvl or our stat priority for them
teal hamlet
and yes, i am using multiple revenges, unless i am sure i have it under controll
hot locust
You should be thunderclapping more than using revenge.
candid vine
I do avatar, charge, clap, demo, clap, revenge, clap
teal hamlet
in that short amoun of time, there is no way he would survive untill next thunder clap
teal hamlet
every other? it has 3s cd on 3+ enemies
hot locust
and how long is the gcd?
teal hamlet
yea... sry... forgot its 1,5... but still only clapping is sometimes not enough
severe zinc
I find it rly annoying that AM is the only way to spend rage off gcd
hot locust
I don't know what to tell you then because that's exaclty what I do and don't have issues.
Pretty much exactly what @candid vine said.
teal hamlet
well, he said he is revenging... 😄
severe zinc
But not as priority over clapping
hot locust
Sure, but not over anything important.