damn bears.. taking our jobs...
#protection
dusk locust
you'll see prot more heavily represented as guilds who aren't pushing hard for ranking reach it. i'm prot in a guild hoping to get zek down tonight and start vectis
snow osprey
best of luck! hope you join those 9 quickly ๐
dusk locust
lol we'll see. it'll probably be a couple weeks before fetid dies for us. we're a 2-night 6-hours total guild
snow osprey
also, since you're tanking mythic in a prot... whats you personal feeling, how much impactful your shield ilvl is?
dusk locust
possibly
signal plover
Literally exact same spot
signal plover
Creeper
dusk locust
it was the only time we got to the last phase
snow osprey
indian music intensifies
dusk locust
if we didn't lose a couple people to rings/void lash it was done
signal plover
We've seen p2 a few times now. Managing to push through P1 before 3rd add spawn now.
dusk locust
yeah we have it pretty comfortably before 3rd add spawn
people are finally starting to not die to rings constantly so i think we'll have it
i think the casts from the 3 adds are getting people too.. not 100% sure what to do about it
steel mauve
Our shield is our most important piece of equipment, its what makes the best part of our active mit better
snow osprey
that's what I keep wondering.
does good shield make it better, or make it viable
as with 340 I feel non-viable in 8ish keys
steel mauve
We are already viable, a better shield just makes it better
snow osprey
I guess I just need to look into my gameplay then
steel mauve
You can do 10s woth a 340, just got to not make mistakes and use your party to the best of their abilities, interrupts, ccs, stuns
Slows to kite
sick sentinel
Your shield determines your God status.
snow osprey
you already mentioned that :D
I just kept wondering if I am actually playing bad, or having 340 shield puts me in a very very tight spot where healers have to tunnel me on a very unpleasant packs even if I stack cooldowns
I guess answer is I do play bad ๐
snow osprey
btw
anyone takes dragon roar for the sake of slows?
upbeat folio
Dragon Roar requires sacrificing your chief source of damage, so negative.
I've heard of some people taking it, but personally have never tried.
sick sentinel
well, this weeks affixes are also a joke for prot warr.
upbeat folio
This week is probably the easiest one so far, too. Get out there and do some keys.
steel mauve
I wouldnt do a high key with a shield under 340, but its viable, really depends on your comp
sick sentinel
yeah last week was also easy.
steel mauve
Like if you dont have ccs and stuns and slows your in for a bad time
snow osprey
I'm mostly doing dungeons as a fury / arms
but I miss tanking, so I will keep doing keys as dd and set my loot to prot, hoping for a shield
sick sentinel
technically only had to worry about necrotic if you had the right comp.
final mist
Unstoppable Force is both multiple magnitudes better for DPS than Dragon Roar is, and it's a survival increase since the TC CD reduction increases DS uptime by proxy (with DC).
No reason to ever take DR.
mellow bridge
@snow osprey Just try to farm AD
steel mauve
Use every thing you can at your disposal, and learn to lite
mellow bridge
good shield & trinket
snow osprey
@mellow bridge I will
fickle kiln
pvp rewards gives shoulders with ToM and DC ๐
upbeat folio
Atal'dazar is prot paradise
steel mauve
Kite*
snow osprey
@mellow bridge I've got 385 rezan eye from my last run
upbeat folio
weapon, shield, reasonable main pieces.
steel mauve
Dont be afraid to leap away and haul ass
snow osprey
wouldn't get better
mellow bridge
Nice
sick sentinel
haste/vers ring
dry vortex
how do you guys feel the mythrax trinket for m+? have you tried it yet?
sick sentinel
sticking to jes howler + fathoms.
upbeat folio
nice edit
snow osprey
fathoms? not blockade?
upbeat folio
haha.
snow osprey
I wish I could say that ๐
upbeat folio
I am using 385 shrine of storms trinket.
sick sentinel
the threat of dying isn't really there now unless I overpull.
with correct rotation.
upbeat folio
Yeah, I'm 369 now and most mythic+ this week feels like a snore.
Unless you really fuck up.
This week is just super forgiving.
dry vortex
i need some input here, i have rezan's 370, Mythrax trinket 355 and Jes howler 365, i've been using Mythrax+Jes for m+ ------- Rezan's + Mythrax one for raid
past ledge
do u guys actually CC in high keys?
mellow bridge
yea
sick sentinel
yes lol
past ledge
i dont remember a pack that we CC xD
mellow bridge
It's pretty useful this week for bolstering
past ledge
i just take all the damage to the face lel
sick sentinel
you'll save time with CC that beating on a mob thats x3+ bolstering.
seconds count.
neon tangle
My quest to have more crit than anyone continues
upbeat folio
I would say that's a group decision. If you have the reliable DPS necessary to burn through the 10+ affix and worms, it's worth it to skip the CC. But a well-placed poly really reduces the likelihood of failure.
dusk locust
you're pulling an infested pack with no cc on bolstering?
neon tangle
I got the 370 Vectis shield yesterday
junior igloo
Best setup against Necrotic
neon tangle
Necrotic was indeed funny
upbeat folio
@dusk locust You should be killing the infested mob first, anyway. The worms themselves don't contribute to bolstering stacks, as far as I can see.
neon tangle
I dropped stacks a few times on trash packs from parrying enough
upbeat folio
Yes, no doubt about that. Didn't say it was efficient. Although, there are exceptions.
Any pack with an infested elite and non-elites, for example.
Not worth the set up time, imo.
snow osprey
warbreaker ftw
frosty knot
Just wondering, why do people hate prot and how do people here feel bout it?
snow osprey
not hate... just.. avoid ๐
like... sometimes, you see a homeless person out in the street. you dont hate him. but, you avoid, because he smells.
signal plover
We here in the protection warrior discord are fond of the protection warrior
snow osprey
and yeah, we wouldn't have been here if we didnt love our spec.
how we feel? we want to be loved, but we'll keep doing what we love to do regardless
waxen talon
think most prot warriors did a temporary reroll already..
waxen talon
i still play warrior!
frosty knot
I don't mind prot at all atm, I think it's way more fun than the other plate tanks
mellow bridge
TL;DR:
Prot warrior is slightly below other tanks and requires more skill
We have less utility but more Aoe DPS
We are less liked than other tanks in both M+ and Raids but we are viable for both if you play well enough
waxen talon
just went arms til they fix my prot spec.
pallid axle
i tried to reroll but all other classes i ran normal and HC with i litarally fell asleep ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
http://mplus.subcreation.net/ we're doing alright this week.
upbeat folio
My biggest problem in m+ is dealing with idiots.
snow osprey
@pallid axle on all other classes you feel like you're not fighting the boss, or encounter, you're just racing against gcd
mellow bridge
I have no idea what all of these numbers mean @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
see the bottom.
pallid axle
@snow osprey true man, on warrior i actually feel like i have to something to do to survive on my monk im just trying to dps as much as possible xD
raven orchid
@frosty knot yes
waxen talon
tbh
even saying that
u have to do way less to survive now compare to in the past
way more DR has become passive.
cold marsh
Is there anything out there to sim tanking? I wanna try out a different build but not sure how much I'll be losing. (Served Cold, Never Surrender, Vengeance, HR)
upbeat folio
Negative.
sick sentinel
only brain works/matters for simming.
all those talents are inferior to the tried and true listed in the pins.
cold marsh
Right, i know that i just dont know whether its a "this one is slightly better" or "you'll just die, dont bother" situation
waxen talon
regardless how u put it, for most content ur worse than the other tanks, enjoy
i hope they come up with some class fixes for 8.1
sick sentinel
I hope they don't change anything, and just bring the other classes more in line.
Prot is fine.
frosty wedge
IP needs love
waxen talon
i personally hope they change our mastery and nerf clash giving us somethign in return
and agree, ip needs love.
frosty wedge
and we could use some utility
waxen talon
Raid utility on a warrior? nevah
frosty wedge
lol
grim prism
CoMmAnDiNg ShOuT
frosty wedge
meh
midnight ferry
rally cry is OP
sick sentinel
smart rallying cry is gosu.
waxen talon
intercept + rally cry is what we gt.
sick sentinel
no. its all AP/mastery and vers.
frosty wedge
honestly man I think the best idea I've heard is the like "get behind me" mechanic of being able to drop a small LOS wall, but they're never going to build that, lol
waxen talon
didnt palas have that
tidal siren
hi guys, new around here. where can i find info about traits?
trail dagger
See pinned messagss
chrome falcon
Do we know if Collective Will is good
sweet kettle
@waxen talon aegis of light yes it reduces dmg
If only it was a playable talent and not trash
It looks really cool though
signal plover
We use it on mother mass crossing lol
sweet kettle
Aegis is a pretty weird ability to use and aside from raids it sees no play
vagrant cape
@junior ivy I'm on the case
junior ivy
lol thanks
vagrant cape
the first thing I check is uptime and number of casts on things like demo shout, last stand, shield block, and shield wall
sweet kettle
Yes stack behind a tank isn't always a great idea
junior ivy
tbh my issue on taloc isnt that the boss hits me hard and hurts me
sweet kettle
Only in raids you can play it as I said and it's still not good
junior ivy
its that standing in blood hurts me
junior ivy
to soak fixates
ember arrow
on dk i move tru it and my hp bar barely moves
junior ivy
basically i was ready to cry last night casue I CAUSED ALMSOT EVERY WIPE
FOR AN HOUR
and people were so frustrated with me
ember arrow
wipe on taloc
junior ivy
casue i kept dying
ember arrow
:thonk:
junior ivy
and i wasnt soaking all the fixatres
and fixates was my onluy job
and i couldnt d oit
junior ivy
so
on elevator phase ranged dps were spread
so fixates were going in every direction
junior ivy
and id have to run through blood to get them
ember arrow
not even a mechanic
junior ivy
and sometimes get hit by beams
ember arrow
u can see beams
junior ivy
then during the other phase
ember arrow
max zoom out camera
junior ivy
it was hard to focus on fixates and helping other tank soak his heart thing
junior ivy
ok even if not the beams, its hard to get the fixates when they are going ine very direction
ember arrow
if ur soaking fixate
junior ivy
asnd i gotta go through blood
ember arrow
dps/healers shoud
junior ivy
and use all my cds to avoid dying to blood
ember arrow
that dont get hardened arteries
if people soak the arteries, you shouldnt even use a cd
junior ivy
walking throuhg the blood hurts me so bad
why doesnt it hurt you guys
is my gear wrong
i dunnoo
junior ivy
but walking in the blood to get to the blob
ember arrow
so will be a bit more on warrior
junior ivy
that hurts me lots
and tbh i dunno how to see beams in elevator phase
i just hope for the best.
ember arrow
blood is only
23k dmg per second
u had monkey healers
u can literally look
zoom camera out
and move mouse while soaking
unless youre clicking
๐ค
junior ivy
i click
ember arrow
then i gues
junior ivy
YOU KNEW THAT
young harbor
sounds like you are doing it wrong..
junior ivy
you knew i was a clicker
ember arrow
u gotta move camera while moving character
ember arrow
stop doing m raids with clicking
i thought ustarted to learn
u mentioned 2 months ago
iirc
junior ivy
even in tank spec, i can keybind my main dps abilities, the problem is when i have to move
mellow bridge
myth raids
junior ivy
then it goes out the window and im back to clicking
digital arrow
can ur ranged focus on the volatiles while they spawn? so nobody has to soak them or nah?
ember arrow
hold right mouse and move
junior ivy
im legit too scared to talk on discord in these mythic raids
let alone ask people to change how we do it
ember arrow
soooo
digital arrow
also ur group could run around in a tight stack to funnel them and cleave them once they are close enough
ember arrow
you dont want to talk, you click, and because u dont want to talk you dont want to address any difficulties to group
junior ivy
when we do it on heroci its fine cause everyone stacks on elevator
so the fixates always come same dfirection
ember arrow
resulting in them beign frustrated at u
vagrant cape
@junior ivy just gonna jot down my ideas as I look at this:
-
You weirdly cast thunderclap only 4 times in the last three minutes of the fight. what's up with that?
-
You use demo shout 8 times in a 7-minute fight. You should be able to get nearly 14 off.
-
Last stand was used once, in 7 minutes you can use that at least 4 times.
-
You don't appear to use shield block during the elevator ride at all (there's a 3.5-minute gap where it isn't used at all). Even if you're not tanking the adds, don't forget that it grants shield slam damage!
-
Did your group lust on the elevator?!?
-
Only one shield wall use, this can be used at least twice on a fight that long.
-
Spell reflect was only used twice (and both in phase 3). It's great for soaking stuff and running through blood. You should be able to use spell reflect over 14 times in this fight.
-
I just glanced up at chat and saw that you click your abilities. Please consider using keybinds. Please.
-
Avatar was only used three times. In 7 minutes you should be able to avatar 7 times.
junior ivy
why cant we stack !!!
digital arrow
someone told me to soak them all in normal and i was like huh that makes sense, damage is too low. but i didnt think that would work on heroic/mythic
digital arrow
i'm also curious about 1. on that list ๐ค
junior ivy
i wish i could pin it
grim prism
Thats some gud constructive feedback there @vagrant cape
mellow bridge
I think everyone wants to know the answer to 1.
grim prism
Proud of you bb
digital arrow
thank you byron
ember arrow
@vagrant cape nice feedback
junior ivy
i didnt thunderclap much cause my focus is always on not dying
vagrant cape
thunderclap helps greatly with that
ember arrow
???
mellow bridge
thunderclapping more helps you to not die
digital arrow
yeah i neglect tc when im a millsecond away from dying and my brain is in crisis mode
junior ivy
MY BRAIN IS IN CRISIS MODE
ember arrow
then tank and spank
vagrant cape
maybe it's because you click :\
ember arrow
^
digital arrow
that shouldn't be! i dont think u should be running through blood soaking these things. who else does it that way?
vagrant cape
I panic when I play OSU! too
junior ivy
2 is, the good raiders from my guild always help us with mythic taloc. when i only do heroic with the B team raiders its fine
digital arrow
oh nevermind me lol
frosty wedge
did you panic and stop thunderclapping?
junior ivy
but when i know the good raiders are watching me, i freak out
frosty wedge
also you have 2 intercepts and a leap
you should always be able to get to them to soak them
ember arrow
if the fixated ranged are too far
let them die
not your fault
they cant position
junior ivy
like i cant focus on tanking when i know the good raiders are there
watching everything i do
its so much pressure
frosty wedge
same, I focus way better when i'm with better players b/c I don't want to fuck it up
ember arrow
tanking in raids is the easiest role
so if this is giving you a hard time then ts time to practice
junior ivy
omg its not easy
ember arrow
its like
junior ivy
tanking is a lot of pressure
vagrant cape
I got major tanxiety, too. And honestly there's no magical "this one simple trick with cure you, Sco hates him!" sorta thing. It just comes with practice and familiarity which will lead to confidence.
junior ivy
i do fine in my regular raid group
ember arrow
my problem is too much confidence
digital arrow
man idk how u dont feel anxiety when ur like, positioning the fight and kinda leading it
ember arrow
sometimes
junior ivy
im just not cut out to be a mythic raider and thats okay
vagrant cape
just imagine your raid group all in their underwear
junior ivy
lol
sand egret
tanxiety (totally using this now) is way more like public speaking
ember arrow
@vagrant cape what if my tank is already in her underwear
cinder pasture
I'm the same as @ember arrow Way too much confidence ๐
sand egret
some people just can do it easy
mellow bridge
Why are you stressing out yourself over it being mythic
shadow cypress
My raid group is always in thier underware
pliant juniper
@ember arrow then you're doing it right
wild atlas
I just have to say this
ember arrow
mythic taloc=lfr talo
mellow bridge
It's just a couple of more mechanics, just relax and try to play like it's HC
sand egret
at the end of the day, it's a bunch of people all watching YOU
dusk locust
they're watching themselves
wild atlas
The fact that you made it to full heroic clear with clicking abilities and using thunderclap 4 times....
sand egret
so that's like any social situation at its core
frosty wedge
just pretend they're all naked
junior ivy
one of the officers was my cotank
dusk locust
nobody cares about what you're doing unless you die a lot
ember arrow
ur job on mythic: @junior ivy tank bos in middle. stand in middle soaking arteries. soak adds
are u only tank
?
junior ivy
no
ember arrow
then ask him to tank the blood
junior ivy
my ONLY job on taloc is soaking fixates
ember arrow
so he soaks
junior ivy
i dont tank boss at all
junior ivy
dunno
digital arrow
what do the healers say
ember arrow
taloc doesnt need 2 tanks
digital arrow
maybe they werent healing enough!
junior ivy
i dunno why i tank on mother heroic either
i awlays wanted to ask
mother heroic doesnt seem to need 2 tanks..
ember arrow
my guild tanks wit 2 because we're both too lazy to swap to dps
dusk locust
there's technically a tank add on mythic in mother
junior ivy
last night i dpsed with my old shitty guild from my old dead realm. i helped them kill heroic fetid for the first time ๐
dusk locust
you don't cross all at once on the first wall
junior ivy
i was 4th highest dps
dusk locust
you leave a group there
ember arrow
yes
dusk locust
and when they finally cross there's the tank add there briefly
vagrant cape
One of my first tanking experiences in a raid was in legion. I was a prot pally and I single-handedly caused our guild to wipe on heroic dragons of nightmare for over two hours. After which I was benched. I was just too anxious to function.
I was moved to dps role and I practiced tanking in m+ and pugs and learned as much as I could. Fast-forward to nighthold and I'm tanking mythic plant dude.
ember arrow
botanist
dusk locust
you can't cross w/ everyone first wall you won't have healer cds back
ember arrow
the cleave dps nightmare
junior ivy
byron im glad im not alone in being an anxious tank
vagrant cape
what's the botanist's gender? shit
digital arrow
plant dude/botanist same thinggg
digital arrow
cat im anxious even in mythic dungeons
junior ivy
m+s make me anxious too lol
but last night mythic taloc was the worst
i was ready to shut down my pc in a pnic
panic
i didnt, but i wanted to
prisma crane
well, just be more confident in yourself, you do just fine when you dont think about it, so start there, think less
vagrant cape
@junior ivy the best strat I've found with building confidence is to go as ham as possible and ease off the gas pedal until you find the pace you can comfortably go
junior ivy
im gonna start pugging some more raid and m+ and stuff
digital arrow
last night i did +7 shrine with guild members for the first time and i accidently pulled the next pack after aqu'sirr (water guy)
junior ivy
i still havent done a +10 yet this week
digital arrow
i made a FOOL of myself
junior ivy
last night on mythic taloc i died to the beam and got a bres and 3 seconds latr died to another beam
dusk locust
got clipped by his (surging rush?) movement thing
digital arrow
i was under the boss' jaw, slightly in his hitbox
he happened to be near the stairs
and next pack came running into fight
vagrant cape
Also, I'm looking again at your logs and you cast a total of 162 things, some of which are not on the GCD. This means that even if your GCD is 1.5s long, you have about 300 potential globals in that fight. You're missing about half of your potential casts.
@junior ivy
junior ivy
ive been told that before
when i had someone look at my fury logs
theyre like
WHY ARENT YOU CASTING STUFFG
frosty wedge
that's a byproduct of you lcicking eveyrthing
vagrant cape
^^^
digital arrow
i mash buttons
junior ivy
you dunno how much i want t olearn
vagrant cape
Seriously, that's a habit that will make you feel so much better if you break it
digital arrow
idk how i could do that with one mouse click at a time
junior ivy
fineeeee, ill try
sick sentinel
I WANNA BE OFF WORK ALREADY
and tank all the dongers
slam my shield into all the faces
dusk locust
cat you need to keep doing it until it isn't uncomfortable anymore
shadow cypress
You definitely need to keybind.... clicking reaction times are too slow
dusk locust
it'll take at least a week
sick sentinel
zipping around into my party members for free ragies
vagrant cape
I don't know how much the other advice we can give you will help unless you can use abilities rapidly enough
sick sentinel
and thunder clap spam 24/7
grim prism
I want to be off work, doing bong rips, and shitposting about azerite
I thought this was america
sick sentinel
seriously. if you're a PROT WARRIOR TANKING AND STILL CHARGING BOSSES/CHARGE 2018
you're doing it wrong
charge your allies instead
digital arrow
yeah caffeine makes me wanna zip around like a maniac too
sick sentinel
bank rage
junior ivy
wait whats wrong ewith charge
sick sentinel
become God
vagrant cape
In legion someone linked a video of them completing the tank mage tower challenge before me while clicking abilities. I was amazed and depressed all at once
sick sentinel
Intercept, you can charge friendlies POINTBLANK RANGE ANY TIME
sick sentinel
so easily conceivable/doable to go into trash/bosses at max rage all the time.
weaving tclap/intercept spam.
junior ivy
i also did the arms challenge without having slam on my action bar
sick sentinel
and just go in w/ heroic leap/heroic throw tabbing
vagrant cape
@sick sentinel that's something I need to work on; using intercept for free rage
sick sentinel
its so good @vagrant cape
reduces RNG into pulls
cus you'll have the rage already for the sblock or IP
vagrant cape
Is there a way to macro something to make you intercept the nearest allied unit within x distance from you?
sick sentinel
READY TO GO
wild atlas
I feel like Iโm being trolled right now
sick sentinel
I use a mouseover macro.
wild atlas
Not buying it
sick sentinel
your loss.
vagrant cape
I use one, too, but I dislike mouseovers in general honestly
junior ivy
i have a mouseover macro for intercept
i use it on heroic ghyyn
gghuun
runnin orbs
digital arrow
to be fair, one of the highest parsing monks on my ffxiv server was a clicker.. downtime on gcd's bring down ur dps significantly. so i guess its possible if u click fast enough. but still! that's too much work! just use keys like us lol
vagrant cape
I feel like my house is permanently used for holding right-click
sick sentinel
I use mouseover separate from my 'main charge' keybind.
vagrant cape
^^^
sick sentinel
FFXIV IS SO SLOW
sick sentinel
it was 'fun' initially when it first came out first raid tier.
2h warrior tanking and all
but I got bored.
digital arrow
whaaat? is bfa still not as slow as ffxiv?
sick sentinel
years ago
digital arrow
even with that nerf to gcd
vagrant cape
nope, bfa is still much faster
digital arrow
LOL byron
frosty wedge
my GCD on my warrior is like 1.05s or something ridiculous
sick sentinel
prot warr can still go SO MUCH FASTER
yeah, im only 1.14 unbuffed.
๐ฆ
need more.
vagrant cape
FFXIV is so boring. That's why I quit. the rotations were built for you with no nuance. It was literally "if you use these three abilities in order, you get a big damage increase."
raven kernel
eh not really anymore
digital arrow
it put me to sleep
ember arrow
tanking in raids
digital arrow
well all i know is monk
ember arrow
i almost fall asleep
vagrant cape
We're digressing pretty far from prot warrior wow talk now.
digital arrow
i wish prot war had a combo lol
sick sentinel
#showtooltip Intercept
/cast [@mouseover,nodead,exists][@target]Intercept
junior ivy
i need a weakaura that will play a sound at me when avatar is availablre
vagrant cape
People say tanking is boring in WoW, I feel, because once you learn your job for a progression fight, it's all about waiting for the rest of the raid to get their shit together and kill the boss
sick sentinel
works on ANY friendly mob
all the rage all the time
need emergency rage for IP? charge into your rogue or hunter pet in the melee
laugh
digital arrow
i havent gotten to the point to where im bored tanking, cuz of Tanxietyโข
but i never felt that while tanking in ffxiv, job is too easy there
sick sentinel
can never be bored of warrior tanking. 14+ years strong.
vagrant cape
Prot warrior has a combo. It's called "EV- RY-BO-DY THUN-DER-CLAP ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ "
digital arrow
except when adds spawn u had to instantly grab aggro because they'd one shot anybody they saw first, then walk to the tank
shadow cypress
Only thing that seems different between when I prot tanked in bc/lich and now is ignore pain
vagrant cape
@sick sentinel hey man, can we not use "gay" as a synonym for "bad" please?
ember arrow
why not
vagrant cape
(the smiley made it look like I was joking)
ember arrow
freedom of speech
ember arrow
if its against the rules im sure a mod will intervene
vagrant cape
I'm just using my freedom of speech to voice my opinion on it
astral crystal
Is HR worth taking for fetid @hot locust @shut summit
steel mauve
No
digital arrow
lol levko ur avatar and ur shrug, taloc was ez for me is a good combo
vagrant cape
And it can potentially alienate people in the community and I think we're all about being inclusive as far as I'm aware
shut summit
I wouldn't
astral crystal
Kk
digital arrow
oh no not elitist, just "heh, NBD"
vagrant cape
I want more logs to look at
digital arrow
like aboss
ember arrow
well ty anyway ๐
digital arrow
๐
vagrant cape
someone link another fight where they don't cast demo shout enough
plain vapor
anyone got tips for mythic vectis
vagrant cape
I do!
digital arrow
looks familiar and ive been trying to remember this entire time lol
astral crystal
@plain vapor pray your guild is good at soaking, dodging and switching to adds
vagrant cape
Spell reflect will prevent an application of the omega vector debuff if spell reflect is up as the debuff expires. So when you have 5 seconds left on it, pop spell reflect and your raid will have one fewer lingering infection to deal with.
@plain vapor
astral crystal
Worst part of the fight is the end where you bounce OV off your co tank
shut summit
@plain vapor use spell reflect when omega vector fading from you, don't get vuln debuff
astral crystal
Also that
digital arrow
^ warrior ftw
vagrant cape
we found our niche!
sick sentinel
warrior life
vagrant cape
suck it, brewmasters!
shut summit
Should try to get it passed to you every other time in your group
daring marlin
@digital arrow idk tanking in XIV is a little more involved with the whole stance dancing aspect
dusk locust
i tried the OV spell reflect thing in lfr and it didn't work
vagrant cape
So if you had a raid with 8 prot warriors you could go the whole fight without getting a single stack of lingering infection, right?
daring marlin
Which is fun as hell
vagrant cape
how long does the debuff last?
plain vapor
are tanks supposed to stand in a stack group?
vagrant cape
I think so
digital arrow
oh yeah forgot about stance dancing! it was like playing with fire, risk a little for more dps
raven kernel
no tanks dont stack
vagrant cape
really? I thought it was fine since the tank debuff does shadow damage
astral crystal
We didnโt stack with a group, just took vector when boss came back from@his final liquid phase
raven kernel
tank debuff is nature
shut summit
Def should be as a prot warr
raven kernel
well yeah if ur doing it as prot
should help always
but in general tanks dont wanna get it
vagrant cape
can DKs AMS it?
vagrant cape
then maybe my guild will let me tank it instead of the dk... rubs hands greedily
ionic summit
Did the prot buff go through on live or was it just ptr? As soon as I hear prot buff was coming I max leveled my warrior
ember arrow
enhousiasitc
prisma crane
TIL about the vectis debuff cheese, nice
ionic summit
Dope how do yโall feel it did? Like good changes?
digital arrow
i've a question about vectis. does the add ever spawn in the middle of omega expiration? i tend to walk into center of boss when grabbing add
raven kernel
its minor
digital arrow
ever*
edgy solstice
little more hp and armor, nice but not that big
ember arrow
i guess
raven kernel
your bossmod wil have the timer
ionic summit
Howโs the prot placement though for raids and m+?
ember arrow
m+ we're bettert than bear ๐
vagrant cape
we're low on the totem poles
prisma crane
i'm 367 with a 340 shield, the armor buff doenst even feel as good as the armor i should have had in the first place
old zephyr
Uldir is quite prot friendly
digital arrow
yeah i walk up to it to tc, but i don't want to mess up an omega vector swap
if i get too close to other stacks
ionic summit
So great for raids and ok for m+
ember arrow
u got 6 seconds
digital arrow
ok
ember arrow
till tank gets hid dot
sick sentinel
I've always felt fine.
ember arrow
his
raven kernel
and if you get an occasional one its not the end of the world
vagrant cape
but that's because not many people play prot because the community perception is in the tubes. But our gear is getting better to the point where we might start being seen as more than a meme.
raven kernel
just pass it back
sick sentinel
never complained against prot warr BFA.
digital arrow
thanks @raven kernel
sick sentinel
we're set up to scale into monsters with better gear.
been saying that since release.
remains true now.
especially ontop of BIS shield
digital arrow
yeah byron last night guildmate told me he hadn't healed a warrior entire expansion and said i was the smoothest tank to heal for. i was like Aww Garsh
old zephyr
At low gear we are not that good
At good gear we are very strong
Because we scale very well with gear
ionic summit
Good gear being around what ilvl? I hit 330 last night going to start tanking tonight
sick sentinel
368 prot ilvl w/ 380 shield w/ socket. still using 340 azerites among other things.
hardy af.
sand egret
I just wanted to share with the group that I got my first Rezan's last night. What a bleak world I was living in before. That is all.
ember arrow
gz
sick sentinel
being woof God tank feels so good
as your melee bros hug you into MOTHER
even though should use it defensively
I use it offensively a lot rofl
sand egret
I exclusively do M+ but yeah thats next on the list
sick sentinel
same.
old zephyr
Had to take several mythrax cleave in ร row Because cotank died.
Didnt really notice I had 50 stacks
sick sentinel
TD, AD, SOB, FH and KR are the mythic+ I keep harassing others to always take me on
in the guild
prisma crane
that's cuz half of a low health pool is a low health pool lol
old zephyr
Exactly
sick sentinel
problem is guild (RP but 4/8 mythic) are very raid log centric.
sand egret
yep, but I put in WM
sick sentinel
so difficult for a consistent group of DPS to spam mythic+
sand egret
because i really want that crit trinket
sick sentinel
but always rewarding when we do
sick sentinel
I just want more haste all the time.
plain vapor
dayum pretty big disparity on m zek vos
sick sentinel
so few parses
old zephyr
If you like big nuber get engineer helm rezan's trinket and haste enchant
70%haste Yay
prisma crane
mass grip adds too
old zephyr
My guild only want le to raid as protwar =)
chrome harbor
the healers wanted to padd their meters
prisma crane
yea and we can blow up adds too
old zephyr
Oh Yeah
We may not be good for world First kind of things but aside of that we are very good
ember arrow
i mean
if you take 2 equally skilled players. one on monk one on warr
monks gonna outperform
thats the issue
old zephyr
Not really
ember arrow
are you sure about that?
old zephyr
Yes.
At mรฉdium skill level or gear level why not.
At high skill and gear warrior just take no Damage
plain vapor
if prot wars were on the same level as monk then why are there 1500 parses compared to our 130
ember arrow
outgearign content isnt relevant
if a player is as skilled at monk as on warr
if he plays monk he will get better results
warr does take dmg
this isnt legion
plain vapor
im hopin blizz gives us good treatment for 8.1
ember arrow
where i was 20th dmg taken in raids
sand egret
I'm just happy for the azerite direction
ionic summit
Isnโt there 8.1 changes rolling in ptr
sand egret
nothing substantial
prot most likely won't get touched until their own drop, esp if they're making mechanical changes
old zephyr
I am probably overgeared but I definitely take less Damage than my bdk cotank (who is most likely overgearing as well) and that's including self heal
chrome harbor
we got our new old mastery, putting it up on the mantel next to our new old secondary mitigation
prisma crane
thing is, tanking isnt exclusively about taking tiny dmg, otherwise yes, prot would likely win that scenario
old zephyr
In m+ I totally agree with that.
In raids there isnt much else
prisma crane
logs seem to state otherwise
obviously we're capable of doing it
not arguing that
chrome harbor
in raids warriors are good at dealing with those big 'use mitigation for this' type abilities, but some fights have dots, magic, trucking melee, or just 100% uptime with tanking. its a mixed bag
old zephyr
In raid the main thing is "don't do mistakes" and prot is the worse at that.
But if you are playing your prot well you don't do mistakes anyway
prisma crane
but that could be said for ages for prot though, this isnt a new thing in BFA
old zephyr
Yes zul is bad for prot but everyone It's bad for
prisma crane
we've always been a proactive tank
old zephyr
Yup
prisma crane
we havent always been where we're at
old zephyr
Ip is quite good vs dots though
prisma crane
assuming you can generate the rage to continue to cast it
if we had some form of RFDT again (apart from melees) i'd say it's more viable there
50% dr on all types of dmg is massive
frosty wedge
yeah, removing RFDT really fucked us on magic heavy fights
prisma crane
but it's limited
distant tiger
hey guys, im looking for a weakaura to track how much IP i have left
in legion i used a juicy WA that now doesnt work anymore
any hint?
frosty wedge
have you been hit since you cast it? chances are that remaining amount is 0
old zephyr
Wa is7in the pins
distant tiger
i can feel the joke
frosty wedge
lol โค
old zephyr
There is ร good wa in the pinq
distant tiger
it's hard with my UI, because it stacks with healer's absorb, so i dont know if that absorb i see is from healers or IP
my english is crap i know
frosty wedge
no your english is fine - there's a solid WA listed in the pinned messages
old zephyr
Shows when you are caped, Will cap if casted again and Will not cap with color, plus6the actual nuber
signal plover
We are vendors of quality juice only
Except balsaq
His juice is
Well
Balsaq juice
pastel blade
Hello all! CPU's been down for about a month now. How are we looking in Raids atm? and hows the new Tier set looking?
looks like we are getting some minor buffs coming in the next patch
frosty wedge
there is no tier set
raids are better than m+ atm
we got a mini buff that didn't in any way address our core issues
8.1 will probably have more changes, but we're not sure at all what that looks like yet
pastel blade
oh? no tier set? damn... I was more out of the loop than I thought
crystal night
The tides of vengance azerite trait hasn't been datamined yet from the ptr
If it's anything like the other classes it will be lit
random fern
Just a quick yes or no question, since i'm sure this has been discussed at earlier times, and I'd rather not have people repeat themselves, but it sounds like Prot Warriors aren't doing well this early expansion. True?
pastel blade
What is our core issue atm? As I mentioned my computer has been down for a month. And this channel has been a goldmine of information for me in the past to help me improve my tanking
woeful reef
on the ptr our mastery is completely gone, doesnt show up on the character sheet. I have ~34/35% mitigation from armor on live and on ptr its like 53/54%. Raid testing for 8.1 is coming up, not sure how viable an incomplete prot war will be lol.
pastel blade
ahh
crystal night
They could just be playing around with things I wouldn't think so much into it this early into the ptr
woeful reef
so maybe they are making our passive mitigation better and then making the active a little bit less? hard to say, we just need to wait and see what comes down the pipe
pastel blade
Sure
crystal night
Lol so ur mastery is removed ?
pastel blade
I guess, because I've not been tanking for the that last month I'm not sure what our short comings are in raid (player skill aside)
crystal night
Maybe they are thinking of changing our mastery then and are giving your armor for the meab time
Mean*
woeful reef
the downside is gaps in our AM Feeder, there are windows where we get trucked that IP isnt strong enough to close while waiting for CD's.
pastel blade
uuggghhhh
woeful reef
We are not horribad though, we can still get the job done. We're just not the optimal choice for anything. But dont think that means we are completely terrible because thats not true either.
crystal night
AoE damage we are the optimal choice haha
pastel blade
So..... what are ya'll doing in the mean time to compensate? just soaking (idealing) white hits until w/ IP until you can get a SB up?
guess that's just what you have to do
maybe overlap w/ a DS
woeful reef
if you run all your cd's optimally there will be gaps where all you can do is IP, and 40 rage for a ~25-30k 50% shield isnt much when you're getting trucked
crystal night
With avatr and thundering crash u can keep your 20% DR on someone for like 30 seconds
Or on an entire package
Pack
pastel blade
ooooh... so .. Ok I got it, even tanking optimally we are at a dissadvantage
crystal night
Those gaps in our AM will feel less shitty as we obyain more strength to support our Vanguard passive
pastel blade
that said, one lucky crit hit in a gap and we are dead
crystal night
In future patches
pastel blade
or very near dead
woeful reef
Just logged into PTR, crit block mastery is back
robust bronze
how many ilvls was deafening crash worth?
crystal night
Haha wow that's weird
woeful reef
We still have 53% DR from armor though, that didnt get reverted to lives 32-34%
pastel blade
Ok, thanks guys!!
old zephyr
My armor Dr on live is muuuch higher than that
crystal night
Maybe they are thinking of giving us more in the future
woeful reef
hmm maybe mine is too, maybe im just dumb lol
crystal night
Is the vangaurd and stamina butf live right now ? The 5% or whatever ?
mellow bridge
yes
pastel blade
Vangaurd is buff is active
Just logged on and looked at it
the buff was to raise it to 40/50 correct? if so then it is active
woeful reef
yeah I must have been in arms when I looked at armor, its the same on live as ptr
old zephyr
It's ร passive buff but the change is live
tribal valley
some1 told me they changed critical blocks and shield block as well? any news?
signal plover
Tooltip adjustments, nothing to analyze there yet
tribal valley
all right
dull ibex
just got a 395 vial feels good ๐
noble thistle
What weapon enchant are we suppose to run?
digital arrow
i'm choosing between arms or fury.. which do u guys think is the easier transition from prot? i've never played war as a dps but i'm trying to pick it up now
i figured i'd ask here since some of u play war dps when needed
fresh dragon
@frosty wedge u still believe in blizzard? ๐ hope u dont get delusion ๐
woeful reef
Arms is easier because you need 1 wep instead of 2, Fury uses haste/mast so a lot of the gear would be the same, think arms wants a bit more crit
robust bronze
should i use a azrite piece(340) with deafening crash compared 370 callous reprisal?
fresh dragon
@digital arrow go to monk BM
chrome harbor
so wait how much did everyones reduction go up between mon and tues, war doesnt raid till tonight/tomorrow night and havent had a chance to check
digital arrow
ahhh so i might go with fury so it's less gear to get
woeful reef
always have deaf crash Lefius
fresh dragon
its fun as war prot.
fresh dragon
why? i assure u is fun as much as war prot with the difference that u dont die so easly
๐
shut summit
@robust bronze if its your only source of DC then yes
dull ibex
fury has a higher APM, so its damage is based upon how good you are instead of arms which is damage windows and DoT uptime
digital arrow
i need that challenge @fresh dragon it makes me feel alive
robust bronze
@shut summit kk thanks
fresh dragon
btw pocky in Uldir Mythic we use war arms not fury
digital arrow
now all i have to do is farm for two 2h swords
what advantage does arms give u in uldir m?
over fury?
daring patrol
lots of cleave
chrome harbor
only need 1 weapon
digital arrow
i should probably ask this in the other channels my bad guys, that was my last dps question ๐
digital arrow
lol
ember arrow
thats nt much of an argument
digital arrow
im no sheep! i do what i want
ember arrow
argument from popularity
chrome harbor
idk maybe im lazy or just unlucky but the idea of only having to get 1 weapon as opposed to 2 is comforting
digital arrow
goin prot as dps, fuck up that trend lol
fresh dragon
popularity doesnt make ranking
digital arrow
@dense notch love that name
fresh dragon
if the top10 dmg war are arms its not by popularity but by skill and damage done
dense notch
Question for you prot warriors out there. Just got my warrior up to 120, having played it a lot in WoD but only a little in Legion. Animations feel kind of "off" or unsynchronized, like there are small pauses between when an ability "activates" and when the animation happens. Especially for intervene, but pretty much all of the abilities feel off. And not only in lag zone, my BM monk and prot pala feels completely fluid
fresh dragon
@dense notch dunno sorry :V
daring patrol
i notice it with stuff like Revenge, but it doesnt actually affect the GCD so
fresh dragon
maybe its just the animation
dense notch
ye, revenge is very noticeable too i think
dense notch
It's definitely noticable in dungeons, don't generally tank in solo content
chrome harbor
how off are we talking about, lets use shoulde rmodels as a reference. We talking undead male shoulder levels of off, or maghar orc shoulder levels of off
dense notch
haha
sand egret
haha but real talk that's a good question. Also, which is when?
Does it input THEN animate or animate THEN you get feedback
signal plover
Don't play elf
sand egret
hmm and your other characters are not?
dense notch
no draenai and human respectively
sand egret
i'd reckon it's less a class-based issue and more of either a) weird input latency or b) a animation issue with VE's
dense notch
hmm, might class trial a few other races
sand egret
yeah i'd be interested to know
sand egret
I personally don't see what you're experiencing
sick sentinel
Because lol racial
sand egret
but anecdotally speaking, "smaller" models/rigs tend to feel less impactful animation wise than larger ones
daring patrol
it happens to me whether or not I was a tauren, orc, blood elf or troll. doesn't actually change anything, just the combat log entry comes a second or two after you actually activate revenge
dense notch
My "old warrior" was worgen, didn't experience a problem there. But it could be from the more advanced particle effects on velfs
sand egret
it sounds like you're missing from frames or its a bit of input delay then
dense notch
gona experiment a bit, thanks for the input
final mist
That's not animation, that's lag, if the actual cast is happening a second or two after you hit it.
sand egret
if its just visual
final mist
Either input lag or something else.
daring patrol
for me its ONLY with revenge, everything else is fine
15ms ping, 100+ fps in dungeons
sand egret
I wonder if Revenge runs an additional conditional check when firing ๐ค
final mist
Are you looking at actual combat logs or just the animation?
Because it should fire immediately, though Revenge's animation does have a "wind up"
Go to ~1:20 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX_xEywMYoY
There's a "wind up" to Revenge's animation that's not linked to the actual combat damage log for it.
final mist
That's most likely what you're seeing if it's not actual lag.
wild bolt
I've noticed the wind up time on Revenge as well. Most everything else feels fine as far as synchronization goes, with the exceptions of Ignore Pain and Avatar. Those always feel like there's a noticeable delay between the time I hit the button and the time I actually finish shouting (and/or growing) and gain my buff.
Lag, probably? It is oddly consistent with those abilities...
sand egret
yeah, it's prob with that animation since those two abilities share the same one AFAIK
final mist
In many cases, the animation / sound is longer than the actual time it takes to gain the buff.
sand egret
not all moves also go off on the first frame of the anim, as well
wild bolt
Yeah I was thinking that too, @sand egret . It could also be holdover from Legion with neither ability was on the GCD and now, of course, both are.
final mist
You gain Avatar immediately, not at the end of the animation, but the animation is like a second and a half long.
fresh dragon
first time doing Free Hold M+. how it is this week?
wild bolt
Either way, I'm sure it's a perception thing on my part vs. an actual mechanical in-game thing.
Doesn't make it feel better though.
daring patrol
yeah that's all it is. been doing it for about 5 minutes now, combat log happens immediately, but the animation, and combat text comes a second later so it feels off
but its not
sand egret
Unfortunately, even small amounts of latency (input or pure network) can make even a subtle animation issue feel way worse
MOBA's have a hard time with this
for balancing purposes
sand egret
I read em a lil' bit ago. Pretty much what I'd expect (which I'm happy with btw).
wild bolt
I think they're improvements for the most part.
sand egret
I bet there are a bunch of people who will complain, but I think its a good approach to solving the issue without creating too many new ones. In particular, they decided to give the kids all the goodies, instead of one "good" goodie
sand egret
As someone who actually enjoys the "little things" of being able to stack traits, I like the prospect of not having to worry about "oh that's my DC" chest because I have 5 with DC on it but only one with DC + the other stuff I'm stacking.
vagrant cape
mmochampion usually has the latest builds @junior ivy
junior ivy
ty
sand egret
wowhead also has an article
junior ivy
DOES THIS MEAN I MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE MY 385 SHOULDERSSS
sand egret
with a link to the forum post (read that over their summary)
junior ivy
thatd be amazoing
sand egret
it's not retroactive
sand egret
so maybe
wild bolt
Right, this is all "going forward"
sand egret
cuz you may get another DC piece elsewhere
since it may be in one of the traits in the outer rings. From my understanding of it, we'll eventually have pieces with a total of 9 spec-based traits
instead of the 3 we get currently
which makes the "puzzle" solving aspect less about what you can't use and more about what you can
solid mist
for heroic fetid. we prefer MT or Thrash?
wild bolt
I prefer MT because I have to be super careful w /aggro when Thrash soaking
vagrant cape
did they ever clarify if the next outer ring (tier 4) with the 2 spec-specific traits would be an entirely new pool or if we could get, say, deafening crash in there as well?
wild bolt
But apart from that, we can mitigate every thrash pretty well, so we're a good fit for either role
sand egret
@vagrant cape how I read it was that 8.1 items would have 8.1 traits, but like older items wouldnt?
vagrant cape
@sand egret yeah, but would the new ring be EXCLUSIVELY 8.1 traits is what I'm curious about
wild bolt
Yeah but will 8.1 items also have 8.0 traits?
sand egret
so "new" gear would pull from that pool, and old gear not? I dunno, but I would be shocked if they didn't reuse current traits
@wild bolt I think so, yeah
vagrant cape
I know old gear won't, but I'm curious if we could get like 1 deafening crash and 5 brace for impacts, for example