candid cove
Its because when youre in the thick of it hardly do you go oh let me leap so i can taunt again
#protection
lusty grotto
@ancient reef we don't use pawn
don't use it
go by ilvl (except on rings) > haste > versa => mastery > crit
it's simple enough
weak zephyr
Their stance on the GCD is pretty firm, it's most certainly not going to change.
sick sentinel
Did they re-introduce the mastery as "new" in the latest build?
quiet kettle
reverts are considered 'new' in builds
weak zephyr
Honestly, at this point it comes down to just rerolling to something else or forcing yourself to like the class and to do your best with it tbh. Asking for a GCD removal on an ability is worthless. 🤷
fresh dragon
fast quiestion: dropped mythic vectis trinket 395. good or trash item?
lavish oracle
I think it's possible to acknowledge the class's flaws and still find it fun without having to force yourself to have fun with it, @weak zephyr
quiet kettle
u'd honestly be wearing it more for the str than anything else takkero
lusty grotto
@fresh dragon syringe is good, but it's an dps trinket. if you don't have any defensive options then the STR is good enough defensively
it's certainly a good trinket
neon tangle
I mean, it gives you crit, which while the “worst” secondary... if it’s not worth dropping ilvls to get haste
quiet kettle
343 str is def nothing to scoff at on a trink
lusty grotto
@neon tangle ?
neon tangle
@lusty grotto responding to @quiet kettle
neon tangle
I think it’s a fine trinket, albeit less well itemized than rezans or howlers or whatever you can get at the same ilvl
fresh dragon
@lusty grotto i have 355 darkmoon and 365 str+versa on group
lusty grotto
Jes
i would use Syringe
with DM
if you want to dps go for Jes + Syringe
if you want to be slightly tanky but with some dps value DM + Syringe
if you want to be defensive Jes + DM
quiet kettle
the vers from jes at 360 is like an extra 5% dmg reduction iirc
lusty grotto
right
weak zephyr
I'm not saying it's impossible to like, I mean some people really enjoy the fact that you have to play warrior to the absolute best of your ability to actually even be considerably decent,I was saying that the whole idea of trying to remove IP from the GCD is absurd, it won't happen because Blizz's stance on this whole big ass meme they made is firm. People feel like it'll change at some point and they're getting frustrated with the class because of it.
quiet kettle
would certainly help keep aggro this week
lusty grotto
well i haven't had problems with Skittish thanks to bootyclap
my brother plays BrM, he certainly has had some problems
quiet kettle
my m+ group usually has an arms warr or a dh in it
having extra aoe options is a big thing
lusty grotto
yeah
quiet kettle
eh rogues can burst as high as arms
lusty grotto
the only issues really aren't due to skittish, it's due to bolstering + infected
right but they have misdirect
quiet kettle
true
neon tangle
@quiet kettle they got those tricks tho
lusty grotto
i think that's what he meant
quiet kettle
and no teeming this week to fuck with that
ionic obsidian
Oh hey the PTR patch notes are up! Mastery is re-added! WOO ITS....the same
lusty grotto
it sounds the same, but it's not... they are still working on it
quiet kettle
standard revision scheme. what they were internally testing didnt pan out so they reverted
lusty grotto
they separated certain things
dark junco
@quiet kettle thats my guess Auura
lusty grotto
just give it time
quiet kettle
dont forget 8.1 probly wont be till like january
maybe december at the very earliest
dark junco
I’d say november tbh
past ledge
whats the best dps comp this week?
quiet kettle
nah that'd be the mid-raid thing they have planned
past ledge
for m+
dark junco
Cant leave shaman as is for 3 months
Thats too many players that would end up lapsing
So 8.1 is comming fast.
They’ll end up releasing the patch, but not the raid yet
And addig a few tied up questtline/ramp up to open it
Istead that putting it up on 8.1 release
dark junco
Welcome to Uldir as alliance
quiet kettle
not like nighthold where we all spent weeks taking back the city
lusty grotto
this is more like Helya
next raid that is
well to be fair there are 2 raids coming
so it might not be like ToV at all
sick sentinel
i think 2 boss raid will come after big one
lusty grotto
but content is content
sick sentinel
but yeah raids release will be 8.1.5 or something
like in legion class tuning is needed for some specs badly
lavish oracle
Do we know if both raids are releasing simultaneously? I was hoping for a staggered release so we're not waiting for a second raid for all of 8.1
Would be nice if they released the 2-boss raid for 8.1
glacial ridge
@lavish oracle I think I remember Ion mention that the 2 boss raid will be after Siege of Zuldazar
sick sentinel
You think you do, but you don't.
whole yoke
They said they wanted to stick with the legion calendar, so probably november (since 7.1 was approx 2+ months after nightmare) and yeah siege first, then 2 boss raid
chrome falcon
I am fucking heartbroken
You can spell reflect the debuff on the last boss of shrine
But it doesn't kill him
Fix this class blizzard
sick tree
So PTR put back critical block. Did anything change with it or nah
lapis pasture
static pilot
I just noticed that too Gyper
astral crystal
Some of those changes won’t be coming until Tides of Vengeance (and you’ll see them on the PTR soon), but the overall availability of Azerite Armor is a much more pressing concern, so we’re investigating ways of hotfixing that directly into the live game. I don’t have a solid timeline on when that might be yet, but we’ll definitely have more information to share as soon as we can confirm when that can happen.
pog
azerite armor can scale to 370 based on ilvl
chrome falcon
Something interesting for anyone else pushing keys to know; if your entire group (apart from you) LoS's the big Shipbreaker Storm Elemental, he'll cast the Electrifying Shock on you which you can spell reflect for ~60% of its hp over the duration of the debuff
chilly brook
TBH 8.1 will probably be soon with Siege being added with 8.1.5
hybrid salmon
@chrome falcon where is a good place to stand for the rest of the team ? back in the doorway? or just behind a pillar on the bridge?
chrome falcon
Either one works
hybrid salmon
I'll try that this week if I have the misfortune of getting into a shrine run, thanks!
chrome falcon
It has made literally no difference
brazen void
Little changed
quiet sierra
I think my armor reduces damage by .2 more
brave jetty
it helps me in my quest to 200k unbuffed which feels good for OCD purposes
chrome falcon
It's not even worth using brain power to think about it
brave jetty
i do not feel any stronger as an actual tank though lol
chrome falcon
I went to 1% hp earlier today then got lay on hands and we killed the boss
So technically the buff saved me
brave jetty
those changes were not substantial enough to drive any kind of different game-feel
if anyone tells you otherwise they're full of it
chrome falcon
Basically, our ilvl went up by 2
whole yoke
well i'm now over 200k hp unbuffed, so it's a huge change for me xD
quiet sierra
I’m 193 now
past ledge
whats ur rio guys ?
ancient anchor
Anyone have an opinion on the weapon Servant Splitter for tanking?
It's a 10 ilvl upgrade, losing haste and crit since servant splitter has no secondaries.
whole yoke
it's shit, If I were you i'll keep the 300
ancient anchor
well it's a 350 to 360 but same difference I suppose
whole yoke
y
analog pewter
Checking mmochamp atm, isnt that new mastery the same as the one we have now?
brittle timber
It looks to scale differently. Hopefully it will be a base block chance buff.
The shield block change looks like just a tooltip clarification. We should still have the second charge from rank2 shield block
naive drift
what azerite traits yall stackin for m+
brittle timber
I dare you to tell me with a straight face that they weren't planning to move azerite pieces to emissary caches from the beginning.
quaint kiln
You can and have been able to get them from emissaries from the beginning
brittle timber
You're right. What are they adding? More scaling based on ilvl or just more options?
Yea...I read that wrong and got totally confused.
brittle timber
@naive drift One piece deafening crash and then iron fortress or brace for impact for the other two
naive drift
Do we not like bloodsport
stone crag
there are better options
brittle timber
I liked the movie
naive drift
cant rely on 'ole IP no mo
analog pewter
Thing is, they didnt say when the change for the gear to be 370 will take place. If it drops at the same time as Siege of Zuldazar, which will have higher ilvl azerite gear, we're back to the same position we were at with the 340 azerite emissary rewards except its 370 this time.
fair root
They said it would be before 8.1 seige, at least it was implied. "370 is just the current Azerite cap for the hotfix we're working on. When Season 2 begins and the overall quality of rewards goes up, that cap will increase."
analog pewter
Oh ok, thanks. What spooked for a sec.
brittle timber
I don't know why just letting azerites drop from M+ is so bad?
Unless it's just another wierd decision to slow us down
stone crag
probably
whole yoke
it would be too easy
m+ has no lockout
you coud farm your bis in no time
- not everyone does m+
outer dew
because they didn't implement cosmetics or anything interesting for raids
only reason you go into raids if you could farm azerite pieces
would be that higher base for TF
but raid gets devalued because you'd want to target traits over raid pieces
so how do you convince the pop to try to raid?
make it so that higher ilvl pieces are in raid
analog pewter
Cap the azerite gear in mythic+ at 370, people will still have to mythic raid for the 385 ones, and theyd still have to wait for the weekly chest for the dungeon 385s.
dark junco
Still, that means we can’t farm or target them
You’ll get 7th/honorbound azerite from it
So no dungeon azerite again.
outer dew
it brings the question
dark junco
Just, for real, make it a 10% chance from m+
outer dew
would we have been happier if we could RNG like 3/4 traits in azerite piece?
i mean, 10% sounds pretty large
dark junco
Yes
outer dew
most dungeons are like 7-8 pireces?
dark junco
Just throwing numbers. Its 10%, so still 90% not azerite
outer dew
it's a decent chance to grab sometihng if you plate stacking
dark junco
Its still 10%
outer dew
but it ends up becoming, hey, if I want to optimize my gear or get higher pieces
i'll have to just do m+
frigid blaze
Do we need any special talents to solo orbs on ghuun as prot?
dark junco
Raid? Nope 1x week
raven kernel
No
outer dew
what is incentive for raids then?
raven kernel
We have 2 charge baseline
raven kernel
You can have a dps pick up orb then pass to you
While you wait at gateway
Saves u 1 second
outer dew
make sure to pre-target your charge target
frigid blaze
leap first?
raven kernel
That's how I do it on left
dark junco
Left yeah
dark junco
Right is charge leap charge move
outer dew
so you could progress your character
amber siren
I leap and charge x2 on both sides, it really doesn't matter 🤷
dark junco
Same is m+
frigid blaze
okay cool
dark junco
Its just different content
outer dew
yea, but why risk a smoothness of a run when you can have 5x vs 20x
dark junco
Atm you have 104 chances at azerite gear, then you’re done
outer dew
raiding intrinsically is a harder thing to do + set up
dark junco
Yep
So bring back tier set on azerite
They introduced the problem, not like they can’t fix it
outer dew
like, I have no problem with m+ dropping higher ilvl az, as long as you give me an incentive to raid
heck, even a comsetic
i'd be okay with that
dark junco
I can’t drop uldir’s azerite gear in m+
outer dew
just has to give some sort of enjoyable progression
amber siren
Uldir's azerite gear is typically on bis inside uldir
so I mean
not sure what you're barking at there
frigid blaze
Are you guys using avatar when soloing orbs?
amber siren
@frigid blaze no
dark junco
Nope
outer dew
but that doesn't solve the issue of having an incentive to raid
fringe marten
So..? got a 385 Ghunn trinket... for prot I assume trash, but is it any good for dps or anything else?
dark junco
Well thats on you then, I raid for fun
raven kernel
It's shit
outer dew
Everyone should be raiding for fun, but it also should be rewarding you're targeting higher end content with a larger group of people.
dark junco
If you want uldir’s azerite gear its gonna be in uldir. Isn’t it an incentive?
Or the aotc?
fringe marten
? What do the tendrils do? I put them on for fun on taloc, just on his tendrils..and it didn't proc once.
frigid blaze
Just trying to figure out why I keep coming up short. Pretty frustrating.
amber siren
it spawns tendril pets that do damage
raven kernel
Timing is very tight on pure solo
frigid blaze
We have a lock gate
amber siren
it's nothing exciting, they do decent damage
outer dew
do you pretarget your charge?
dark junco
Do you have your charges target set? Where is your lovk gate?
outer dew
the reason why I charge->leap->charge
frigid blaze
I haven't pretargeted but I'll try that
dark junco
Do you have to walk for your lock gate?
outer dew
is because i pretarget my charge
frigid blaze
Don't have to walk for gate
dark junco
Do you have yhe 70% movement boost after leap?
raven kernel
You can pretarget and still leap first
dark junco
^
amber siren
your speed is capped with the orb, the talent doesn't do anything
dark junco
For real?
amber siren
yep, sprints, movement pots etc don't work
raven kernel
There are 2 ways on left
amber siren
you're set at 100% and it reduces after that
raven kernel
One is you charge right then left but requires you to walk like 2.5s after the leap
But after 2nd charge u don't need to move
Other way is charge left then left again, no delay between leap and charges
But after 2nd charge u need to walk 2 steps immediately
And u get rooted
dark junco
You can always change the gate spot tho
If you’re missing the charge/zone by few inches
raven kernel
Can't put gate any, nearer than the shit on the floor
Once u take a tick u aggro boss
dark junco
Make a screeshot of were you end up @frigid blaze
frigid blaze
will do next attempt
dark junco
❤
frigid blaze
we phased because we are sending backups
frigid blaze
it's okay even if I have to walk?
raven kernel
I mean
For me I get a dps to take orb then throw to me
While I wait on gateway
Saves me 1 second
amber siren
I walked a little bit to gate, never had any issues
raven kernel
If you're fully soloing this is fine then
frigid blaze
@dark junco thoughts? Not disregarding you, Rei. Just want a few eyes looking.
steep lily
is it worth replacing blockades with a 390 str trinket? no other defensive value
outer dew
i mean
do you feel like you're dying at the content you're doing?
if it's a no, ya just run dps trinkets
steep lily
I mean, its also a 90 str boost
lucid kelp
I dont think 90 str outweighs Blockaces
steep lily
hmmk, going to vectis today and maybe will start with blockades, see how its going
dark junco
@frigid blaze Just make sure you start closest to the gate you can, while still being able to click the orb
you got a leway of like 2 seconds when you reach the end to walk it
So its tight but doable
unless you have 200-300 ms lag, then yeah, maybe nope.
Why is marok the same tier as valkyrs now ?
frigid blaze
Yeah, I found out that I'm just taking a tiny bit too long, so I'm locked out of leaping
gate, charge 2x, leap strat. But the leap isn't happening because I'm locked.
outer dew
I mean, what kind of content are you doing?
stoic kite
M+
outer dew
I mean
frigid blaze
Big tilt. My game DVR wasn't on. Tried getting a clip of what I was doing so you guys could tell me what to fix.
Big hurt.
stoic kite
No one invs me past 9 :(
stoic kite
Yeah I plan to. 367 ilvl atm
cloud bone
i'm sitting at a crisp 370 bag
outer dew
355 weapon / 340 shield memes
cloud bone
with a 340 shield still
outer dew
377 bag
stoic kite
370 bag for me too
stoic kite
I got a 370 shield from arena :3
cloud bone
die
outer dew
Some people rng sucks
Lol
Just trying to get the weapon for off spec
And the restis trying to funnel gesr into my prot spec
Side note
If Deafening Crash is 45 ilvl value....
I gotta drop DC
cloud bone
feels fucking bad man
stone crag
depends on the strat afaik, but usually there's no reason to
astral crystal
dear god finally killed vectis, fuck this boss
junior ivy
grats!
astral crystal
ready to get gaped by fetid
lost mauve
do you all have any tips for farming a shield and 1 hander
I main arms but I have a 380 weapon on it now
so i'm wondering if it would just be worth it to leave my loot specialization as prot
steel mauve
I honestly probably wouldnt drop dc for even 45 ilvls
vagrant cape
For prot shield you can only get them from atal, tol dagor, underrot, motherlode, vectis, and ghuun
amber siren
PVP as well
junior ivy
ok so i SUCK at mythic taloc
i need help
i have like 100 things that kill me ill list them
so other tank does most of the tanking i do most of the nothing. but when that tank gets heart thingy, if i stack with him to help, i die.
during elevator phase. im in charge of fixates. everyoner is spread and i have to run through blood to get them
i die to blood
or i die to beam
in last phase i die to same thoings
i just die. a lot.
constantly
so help lease 😦
cloud bone
get everyone who doesn't have the red aoe to stack with you and the other tank so that you don't die
junior ivy
i always die no matter what if i stand with other tank
cloud bone
get everyone to stack on the elevator phase so that you don't have to run around
then not enough people are soaking
junior ivy
they dont like stacking
cloud bone
tell the people if they don't stack that you're not going to soak they're blood
their*
and they can die for all you care
junior ivy
everyone kept complaining that bloods were outta control
soemtimes id miss one if i was trying to avoid beam
it was just really messy
cloud bone
then tell them to stack
junior ivy
THE FIXATES WERE MY ONLY JOB 😦
and i still couldnt do it
we killed him everntually
no thanks to me
junior ivy
mostly what killed me multiuple times per pull was either helpingh otyher tank soak his heart
or beam
but the raid is soo spread on elebvrator phase
it makes soaking fixates really hard
that was so stressful
im glad im not a mythic raider
amber siren
Your raid shouldn't be that spread on the elevator phase at all, people should be moving together to clear the lasers and dps the adds down
honestly just sounds like you guys have positioning problems
amber siren
there's no real reason why your ranged shouldn't be moving with the group
just makes it harder for everyhone
cloud bone
then tell your ranged if they don't stack they'll die
and you won't soak their blookds
bloods
raven kernel
Sounds like your raid is shit
No offense
Tank dying to heart is raid issue
Spread on elevator is wtf
prisma night
dps wise it will pull ahead, idk by how much or how beneficial it would be though
bfi will have more block since the avg stack for bfi is ~2 iirc
honest fulcrum
New PTR changes
Mastery: Critical Block (New) Increases your chance to block by [ 50% of Spell Power ]% and your chance to critically block (blocking twice the amount) by [ 150% of Spell Power ]%. Also increases your attack power by 0.0%. Warrior - Protection Spec. Warrior - Protection Spec.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/8039-Patch-8-1-0-PTR-Build-27985
prisma night
i dont see anything different than it is on live
honest fulcrum
But only one charge of 6sec shield block on 18 sec CD =-O
prisma night
we get a second charge from leveling not on the base spell, iirc
honest fulcrum
Hope we keep it
prisma night
yeah its the second pin, the thing about the sb charges
crude summit
this new crit block seems interesting
amber siren
Yeah I'm not on my war rn but isn't that exactly the same as currently?
subtle geyser
Seems like it
stone crag
yup
ember arrow
Xd
chilly brook
It’s almost like there wasn’t actually a change and it was just tooltip stuff.....
robust bronze
is it just me are some of the spell/abilitys in islands way to op?
stone crag
like the items you can buy on the boat?
that's pretty much the week's gimmick, some are strong some aren't
robust bronze
na, what mobs have
sly shadow
when would you want to use revenge talent over TC talent?
sly shadow
oh i see
also
it feels like ignore pain doesnt do much for me
is it worth spending rage on?
sick sentinel
stone crag
that feeling would be correct, but yes ideally you'd still want to use it
not using your toolkit to the fullest is pretty bad play
zealous crest
manic perch
quick question, i see you can dispell the mind flay adds in mythrax is this viable strat? seemed like they just come back?
@ember arrow did you reflect the 2nd void lash?
manic perch
lol
ember arrow
Also bdk doesnt have SR ;)
west pelican
Got the mythrax trinket yesterday. How is that generally rated for prot?
topaz ember
I'm trying to get better at tanking so my only question is, is it faster to level a monk with the +50% xp boost they get or DK where they start at level 55
raven kernel
Faster to work a day or 2 and buy a boost
west pelican
Well the effect is not that bad though? Thinking it could help with some consistency that we otherwise lack.
stone crag
it's really not a good effect though, rarely would it actually be impactful
it's not terrible to use because it innately has strength
¯_(ツ)_/¯
round vortex
The mythrax trinket I think is the best raid trinket in there - which is still bad. Blockades + whatever you can WF/TF the best out of Rezans and Jes Howler is the best combo lol
Mostly you'd want an on use trinket 😃
round vortex
But there is argument for the mythrax trinket that what it activates is as good as an on use - since it activcates at50% HP
tight tree
I swap Rezan's for 395 disc from Zul for questing and dungeons.
round vortex
its the one that puts a 60k IP (effectively - 50% DR up to 60k taken) when you hit 50% HP
amber siren
You'd want an absorb to be before you take a hit, not once you're already at 50%
It's really not that good
round vortex
As i said "The mythrax trinket I think is the best raid trinket in there - which is still bad." lol
but at 50% HP i'd take an absorb over no absorb lol. Couple it with an IP and it's quite strong.
Dungeon trinkets are by far and above the raid trinkets
amber siren
I mean it's, what? 1 of 2 tank trinkets in there?
It's not hard to be the better of hot garbage
Any blockades would be better
And DPS is 🤷
round vortex
Meh - i was just helping the guy who got one and asked about how it goes.
Maybe scroll up a bit bro.
amber siren
I did, the phrasing of 'there is an argument for the mythrax trinket that what it activates is as good as an on use'
It isn't
At all
No argument makes it good
round vortex
I meant that It applies when you want it to as opposed to proc trinkets. Which it does.
Well maybe not when you WANT it to
but not at a useless time.
Which is why we hate proc trinkets - they proc randomly. At least it procs at a time that is a total waste. That was the point I was making.
I did make the point that we want on use trinkets all of the time. I mean if you want to pick me apart by all means. I was jsut trying to help the guy out. I don't want to make it sound like the trinket has no use - because it does.
It has strength and it has an effect that isn't useless.
amber siren
No one's picking you apart, no need to get defensive
round vortex
Don't confuse "not useless" with good lol
round vortex
Almost all of our trinkets are bad defensively - son a scale of 1-10 our trinkets might max out at like 4. So i am saying in it's range of what's available I wouldn't say it's "bad". It might be a 2.5 / 10 but its still a 2.5 out of a possible 4. (i hope that made sense).
ember arrow
ok
round vortex
Those number might be off and were totally invented then lol
tight tree
That is the consequence of blizzard making tanks scaling from mainstat defensively so well. DPS trinket with good procs and/or main stat always win.
Situationally i like trinkets with onuse shields/versatility boosts, to act like additional CDs. But that is a crutch, i rather prefer my class to have nessesary cooldowns to survive.
round vortex
Yup if you equip your highest ilvl trinket with strength that's an easy default choice. I'd personally do a bit more research but its still ok to do that without major concern.
I'm personalyl using Jes Howler right now which has a same CD as the Mag'har racial. HUGE stats for me lol
Can use them both together 😃
amber siren
I'm really not sure what point you're trying to prove here? Yes most trinkets rn are bad but there's a multitude of better defensive options, one that can even be bought off the AH for like 16k
A trinket that's a 2 to a 4 is still bad
tight tree
Overal idea of gear/traits to replace class skills is shitty.
amber siren
Oooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk
amber siren
The start of an expansion always has bad trinkets, can't really compare 7.3 to 8.0\
fervent ice
I wasn't tanking during 7.0 so can't speak to it
stone crag
legion wasn't even peak tanking ¯_(ツ)_/¯
amber siren
EN trinkets were very very bad.
fervent ice
Phantasmal Echo is very comparable to the mythrax trinket
stone crag
though phantasmal echo didn't have main stat
it was base haste
which made it arguably worse
tacit smelt
Well early legion we were gods amongst men
real rover
hm
I just got a 370's honorbound centurions shoulderplates
according to icy veins it should have had a deafening crash, but it doesn't 😦
tacit smelt
I believe the pvp related items are randomized
real rover
the amount of rng..
they even failed to acknowledge dc being by far our best single trait which doesn't increase hope of them fixing it..
old zephyr
That's a shame...
tight tree
I got these shoulders too. Good traits for Arms PvP ✌
old zephyr
That's a shame...
real rover
I don't do pvp lol
zinc mauve
any advice on handling the adds in kings rest immediately after the first boss? The four add packs that get turned alive from statues crush me almost every time
tight tree
Well i mostly do PvP only on my warrior now. Tanking on monk.
real rover
the four man pack is the king doing the lightning aoe?
if so, you have to get on range.
zinc mauve
well there are 4 packs in that room
amber siren
the adds on KR are a pain with this weeks affixes, you'll just have to kite a lot and hope your dps can cleave evenly to avoid bolster
tight tree
@zinc mauve They are minibosses with their own minitactics. Interrupt casts, move frrom lightning/bladestorm, dont stay in raptors, etc.
zinc mauve
the worst one is the one that shoots arrows the entire god damn time
cant block ranged lmao
tight tree
Oh we cant block arrows and stones with our big shields, shame
amber siren
i like to keep the arrow shafts in my body because the feathers are pretty
zinc mauve
the problem ive found with those packs is that just every single one hits so damn hard
if i got my defensives up its not too bad but i still take a metric boatload of damage
cant imagine doing it +10 or higher
zinc mauve
skittish is pretty awful, even as a protection warrior in those rooms
mostly because my dps tends to dump their skills before i can get aggro. usually its not too bad but because those mobs hit so hard, someones gonna die
bolstering isnt too bad but it punishes pulling extra groups super hard
tight tree
Skittish usually not a problem for warriors, we do great damage. Tell your DPS to wait a bit with burst. It is their own fault.
No way around it
tacit smelt
If you're juggling your cds decently you'd have a SW or a LS for each pack given you got a solid healer or the better route a boomy with treants
Also to help out with aggro Precast avatar
ember arrow
Even my bdk never loses aggro and my overall dmg is 7_8.5k
wheat flower
can u stack Iron Fortress trait?
stone crag
just about every trait stacks, if it scales with ilevel it stacks
with iron fortress the block value and physical damage dealt back increase per stack
wise mirage
what are important stats for tank?
fallow tusk
yo guys im usually a dps warrior Who would like to tank m+
wise mirage
Versa I would guess
fallow tusk
the new prot warr changes do nothing for prot competitiveness right?
wise mirage
I mean atleast prot is the best dps tank isn't he?
I saw some prots do the same aoe dps as some real dps
fallow tusk
im pretty sure i can dish out nearly as much as my arms
but id rather survive better or have utility
wise mirage
I play fury haha
wheat flower
ty for answer Art
stone crag
ilevel >haste>mastery=verse>crit
as stated in the pins with the respective guides
proper sonnet
Any news on the Prot mastery?
amber siren
it's been put back in with no changes, so not idea what's happening there
proper sonnet
Probably just means they're not changing it this patch but they're saying that they're working on it
Hopefully
ember arrow
@stone crag what do people use to quote others like that
stone crag
it's a betterdiscord plugin called citador
ember arrow
whats betterdiscord
stone crag
a third party extension to discord, pretty much allows you to use plugins and themes
vocal nimbus
not as shady as your and xravius' hdd
ember arrow
what?
frozen nova
How viable is the Shield slam build with heavy repercussions and punish ?
stone crag
it's not at all
tight tree
Warriors have ONE viable build only.
hollow dragon
any info about mastery rework im future or IP rework ?
stone crag
no clue, recent notes showed they just reverted the changes ¯_(ツ)_/¯
celest jacinth
Warriors have a viable build? I thought it was that one where they press N and respec xD
celest portal
I heard arms is better at tanking than prot war o.o generates more threat too
prisma night
Nice meme
cosmic magnet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/279932?mode=detailed&zone=19#metric=dps Holy moly ! After i seen this, all people who say "war tank isn't good", look at this monster !
vocal nimbus
thats sense 🤷
stone crag
can't really compare sense to an average warrior ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cosmic magnet
Okay, I'm choked because I don't know him 😃
vocal nimbus
look to the right >
onyx vessel
War tank isnt good but for the average shitter anything works
primal crypt
WHO IS THIS @shut summit
chrome falcon
It's not really clear how sense got so big dick
I mean I normally rank orange or high purple but even I have no idea what the fuck that dude is smoking
I wonder what ilvl those crit trinkets are, I have a 375 version of that Waycrest one he wears but I don't know if it's better than my 370 Rezan's Eye or 370 Howler
ionic fern
midnight ferry
9k single target dps with 377 ilvl doesn't sound impossible, I did 7k+ at 356 ilvl or something
primal crypt
EZ
steel mauve
Theres also barely any warriors at his progression, parses are a % based ranking out of how many warriors you are beating
Every time hes the first warrior to down a mythic boss hes 100% ranked
signal plover
He's also one of the best prot warriors in the world so
He probably read the guide and stuff
And like presses his buttons gud
primal crypt
And blocks gud
snow osprey
do you think he use noxxic guides?
primal crypt
Noxxic all day bb
signal plover
Ppl should prolly ping him and ask for his pawn string
snow osprey
I just looked up guide on noxxic, it suggests to take" Punish" instead of "into the fray"
midnight ferry
is there a dps priority list prot somewhere
signal plover
Stop giving that website traffic lol
snow osprey
probably they're sponsored by some shadowy business like drugdealing or human trafficing
primal crypt
I wouldn't be surprised
midnight ferry
@primal crypt simc priority list like https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/bfa-dev/profiles/Tier22/T22_Warrior_Fury.simc
midnight ferry
but I guess it is just spend rage as much as possible to get avatar up and spam TC
primal crypt
Block for stronger slams
Don't ever worry about defense, just always block before slamming
Healer's job to keep you alive anyway
You're just there to dps
snow osprey
Kappa
also make sure to stand in fire if you see a firepatch on the ground. that would make 100% parse log for your healer. he will be happy
primal crypt
100%
chrome falcon
stand in fire for vengeance
primal crypt
EZClap
midnight ferry
I don't think slam matter that much, only %16 here, look at TC... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f7XJZybTFa9jhMWC#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=4
chrome falcon
#ripvengeance
primal crypt
OH WAIT
Don't forget to devastate
Super important
Replace ignore pain with devastate
Just take ip off your bar
junior igloo
@signal plover
Technically AMR sims prot warriors better than Simcraft
snow osprey
my guild's first uldir runs... we've had our GM tanking on a prot warrior. he had like 130+ casts of devastate per fight....
like, 50-60% of damage done was from devastate
signal plover
True story @junior igloo
snow osprey
its a very traumatizing experience, and I really want to forget about it
signal plover
Dudes living in 7.0 good for him
primal crypt
Like....skip all SS procs amirite?
random osprey
does anyone else here think the azerite trait bloodsport is completely underrated?
mellow bridge
Explain why and you might get a discussion
random osprey
so it's going up against Brace for Impact and Iron Fortress which increase block value
it gives an extra 3-4k absorption every time you cast ignore pain, the leech is negligible
hold on, let me run some numbers
chrome falcon
fortress/brace are way better vs melee swings
bloodsport is obvs better vs magic damage but what in this expansion is just doing magic damage
random osprey
but how much damage is it actually mitigating vs those melee attacks? it scales with mob damage
while ignore pain absorption scales with the player's stats, except crit
chrome falcon
i mean probably not much
random osprey
in the case of just the azerite trait bloodsport, haste
cosmic magnet
Did you know if @shut summit have a youtube channel or a twitch one ?
random osprey
but it's still a decent amount of damage absorption
chrome falcon
twitch.tv/snse and he uploads his kills vids to youtube too
junior igloo
So how much does Iron Fortress save?
thorn narwhal
3k is p insignificant lol
random osprey
that's on a 340 item. 355 items give 3.6k, 370 gives 4.1k
chrome falcon
that's still garbage
random osprey
for example, if we take a shield with 4500 block rating and use iron fortress which increases it by 300
chrome falcon
also bloodsport doesn't do any dps which is relevant
cosmic magnet
Thanks @chrome steppe @chrome falcon
random osprey
the block amount goes from 41.6% to 42.5%, 0.9% more damage reduction from block
and if we consider all the other sources of damage reduction: armor, demo shout, versatility, it accounts for a lot less
snow osprey
thing is, block scales better with multiple targets. bloodsport is consumed very fast, you cant spam IP like we did in Legion
chrome steppe
@chrome falcon why would it be relevant?
snow osprey
block increase scales better
chrome falcon
@chrome steppe It's not relevant for mythic raiding but it definitely is for m+
random osprey
true, i do admit that the blocking traits are better for when you're tanking multiple mobs
chrome falcon
I +2'd a 13 by 1 second yesterday
If none of my traits did dps, we would have missed the timer
mellow bridge
Still good to two chest it
chrome falcon
yeah, this week is pretty nice for prot i think
mellow bridge
Gonna try to push some keys this Saturday but I dont think I'll be able to two chest a 13 lmao
chrome falcon
you just have to be careful with when you pull the trigger on avatar
chrome falcon
373
mellow bridge
Nice
chrome falcon
honestly at 13 it's not even about your class/comp it's just about having voice comms and talking about what you're going to do
chrome falcon
at 15+ you need to play flavour of the month shit
world boss was kind yesterday, dropped DC shoulders
snow osprey
@chrome falcon what's your shield ilvl?
mellow bridge
Our comp is prot warrior, UH DK, Rogue (assa usually) and a MW
chrome steppe
so you're saying you think Bloodsport is a bad choice for M+? would you prefer to go for some mediocre "trinket proc" over it, if those were your only two options?
chrome falcon
375 as of yesterday
mellow bridge
Damn
chrome falcon
@chrome steppe I think bloodsport is worse in m+ than raid encounters yeah because block is SO good in m+
mellow bridge
I'm stuck with a 360 shield for like 2 weeks now
chrome falcon
I literally just did atal'dazar all day every day
until i had 370 weapon shield and trinket
snow osprey
noice...
I have 340 shield and I feel extremely weak in +8 dungeon although the rest of my gear is 370-380....
chrome falcon
@chrome steppe So relative to brace/iron fortress bloodsport falls behind quickly
random osprey
i would still offer than the damage afforded by iron fortress or brace for impact could still be negligible if it doesn't reach a threshold of a normal gcd
chrome steppe
I got the trinket. 380 in a +4 weekly chest, lol
mellow bridge
Shield is pretty much our most important itemslot, if your shield sucks you will feel it hard
snow osprey
@mellow bridge yeah.. I will. Last time I did it a shot I looted 385 Rezan eye tho 😄
chrome falcon
Oh it's DEFINITELY negligible @random osprey
Like I said, most azerite traits are worthless garbage
random osprey
and if the healer is playing really well, the damage you can mitigate with bloodsport can give them enough time to cast one or two damaging spells
chrome steppe
Fun and quality game design
chrome falcon
Eh looks like they're planning on fixing it in 8.1
chrome steppe
Makes me so sad, I enjoy the traits in Arms.
chrome falcon
But yeah atm it's a pretty tragic situation
The classes they finished (arms, affliction) have pretty cool azerite traits
mellow bridge
At least they'll finally make azerite gear easier to get
I wonder when the fix will go live
snow osprey
8.1 iirc
chrome steppe
Through emissaries though, ew...
mellow bridge
They said they're looking into patching it in via a hotfix disasterman
chrome steppe
you recall wrong
snow osprey
really? nice to hear
junior igloo
@random osprey @chrome falcon
Your math on the blocking wasn't correct, but fwiw 370 Iron Fortress will reduce your damage taken by about 1.3 %, so say 150 dps saves when taking 12k.
chrome steppe
They said it's high priority and whole they don't have a date, they want it asap
mellow bridge
and meh
emissaries suck
but any change is welcome at this point
Still rocking 340 shoulders; finally replaced my 340 helm with the weekly chest
random osprey
i found in a website somewhere that the formula for block damage reduction is block/(block +6300)
chrome falcon
Honestly I'm fine with it being emissaries
chrome steppe
Well yea, it's about as comfortable as Auschwitz, but at least they're giving us a chair to sit on.
chrome falcon
They very often give azerite
snow osprey
any additional non-pvp source of azerite is welcome, as I still use 340 helm with my 370 shoulders and body 😄
chrome falcon
They're also changing how emissaries work
astral crystal
god i hope that fix is in sometime this week
random osprey
iron fortress at 370 gives 348 block rating
astral crystal
would be nice to get 370 DC shoulders
mellow bridge
Huh
chrome steppe
Wait, how are they cahnging them? I must've missed that.
mellow bridge
what are they changing about emissaries themselves matt?
junior igloo
Bloodsport is a little better defensively than IF, I'd look at IF more as a solid AoE dps trait.
BfI is a bit better than Bloodsport in most situations though defensively + free dps
mellow bridge
what Laura said
astral crystal
they're hotfixing it so emissaries give you scalign azerite pieces up to 370
chrome falcon
STarting a key
astral crystal
based on your ilvl
chrome falcon
glhf guys
chrome steppe
good luck o/
mellow bridge
@astral crystal Yeah I know about that change, but it sounded like Matt was talking about something else
Gl Matt
astral crystal
ah they did mention something about changing the reward system
but they didn't share any details
mellow bridge
I see
mellow bridge
Lets hope it's something good lmao
random osprey
according to the formula, given a shield with for example 4700 block rating, it goes from 42.72% to 44.48 damage reduction
1.76% more damage reduction before diminishing returns
junior igloo
@random osprey
Well,
-
Firstly the 6300 number changes based on content.
For example in mythic Uldir it's 9311. -
More importantly (I don't remember the numbers, so just shooting some random:) going from 50 % reduction to 51 % is not a 1 % reduction. Because you now take 49 damage instead of 50, which is 2 % reduction (you can't look at the absolute value, but relative).
-
You don't block every hit
random osprey
it's instead the ratio of the two numbers on the residual fraction after all the other damage mitigation sources, which results in less than 1.76
oh that's interesting, the mythic number
junior igloo
You can use my spreadsheet if you want: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1smbwHlquHKQpl-rJ1i3xvArHcgW681bppCZCF5zB6MI/edit?usp=sharing
random osprey
i'm counting reduction as relative to the original base damage, not the previous mitigated total
junior igloo
(create a copy to make changes)
frosty wedge
man, shrine is awful this week
snow osprey
you dont need any dungeon besides Atal Dazar 😄
just do AD 24/7
its good on any affixes
frosty wedge
I wish that was the same for my monk - I need underrot on him. lol
spamming AD on my warr is nice though, lol
snow osprey
honestly underroot also seems fairly easy... first trash and first boos might be a bit unpleasant but rest is quite easy
I'm not a very good M+ runner, but my party managed to do 9 +2 in underroot
frosty wedge
yeah, it's not terrible, but not as fun as AD
first boss sucks when people don't know how to interrupt
snow osprey
somehow I feel super excited to do the skip in underroot everytime I go there
mellow bridge
What mount jump?
snow osprey
having rogue or a druid in party is super beneficial there
frosty wedge
so when you're skipping the skeletons you can mount and jump cross the corner over the water, and also ski the worm/big guy
snow osprey
there is a water pool where you can skip a lot of trash.
someone takes invis, goes through trash, and uses 2-seater mount "upstairs"
everyone else stand underneath, jumps and mounts
dismount upstairs
between 3rd and 4th boss that is
frosty wedge
ah, if you have a rogue you can just invis everyone don't even need the jump
snow osprey
or a druid
oh wait... you mean using the shroud?
not sure about that, path seems a bit long for it
and people tend to step on worms
snow osprey
pool is kind of a foolproof way
frosty wedge
you can lso skip the big guy at the bottom of the stairs on the way into that last room by hopping over the side
snow osprey
yeah, I know. but then again he is super easy to kill and you need % if you skip
frosty wedge
true
fallen musk
Hey guys up to what level is prot ok? Like what m+ is prot not good enough
manic perch
what route do you follow on AD and what do you skip?
midnight ferry
using shield block and boss start to cast a long spell, feelsbadman
snow osprey
@mellow bridge somehow I cant find it on youtube 😭 but if you find anyone doing underoot on twitch you should be able to see it
vocal nimbus
why skip that part tho
mellow bridge
The only skip I usually do in UR is shroud straight to the first boss
skip every pack
mellow bridge
More than enough easy trash after the first boss, dont need to do any matron or big mask pulls
snow osprey
@fallen musk depends on your ability and gear, someone mentioned doing +13
mellow bridge
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/world/leaderboards-character/warrior/tank the highest raiderio prot warrior
I wouldnt worry about their viability if youre not pushing 15+
and if youre asking, you very likely arent doing that
snow osprey
@manic perch first go for rezan, just walk straight downstairs, pull 2 easy packs in the middle, pack on the right, and go down to rezan pit.
tank him at the stars, going under the stairs for the fearing howl, running on a water if fixated
mellow bridge
I usually just jump straight down without packs as this way Rezan will be right at the stairs
idk how it works if you do the packs first
fallen musk
Well we just had a tank randomly gquit and I'm going to offspec just for mythic+ until we find a new main tank
mellow bridge
Might be wasting some time pulling/waiting for him
but it prolly doesnt make a big diff either way
snow osprey
@manic perch then, usually the boy with totems. kill first pack, skip 2nd, kill everyone in front of the boss (separately, trash is unpleasant there) kill boss, and go straight for the priestess. kill all the trash around her including 2 boys on the stairs
then, you go to the final boss
-
- its 100% trash
you might have to pull 1-2 howlers on your way, pterodactyls
but thats pretty much it
while killing trash next to the totem-boss make sure to kill casters before you destroy totems
otherwise its a shitshow
you kill casters, then you kill totems which prevent brutes from throwing patches of blight
once totems down you kill brutes
manic perch
ok cool thanx for tips
we have been running straight from the go hard right kill stealth
snow osprey
also, there are 2 invisers on stairs in front of that boss
you might want to jump to the stairs and kill them separately
manic perch
then hug left ledge pulling small
snow osprey
going for rezan first is a bit more optimal, travel-wise
manic perch
then those brutes over small bridge other brutes and stealthies but feels longer that way
will definetly try it
snow osprey
make sure to pull easy trash on your way to rezan, its free %
mellow bridge
I do a bit more complicated route usually but it allows you to skip harder packs
snow osprey
either on your way , or on your way back as muyuu says
mellow bridge
Jump down to rezan first, then walk back up kill all 3 small dino packs
Walk to priest boss, kill the first two packs
Turn around go to poison boss, kill rogue, kill first big guy, kill the two walking around, skip the group by hugging left
steel lotus
You want to go straight to rezan to get him on his first path around
snow osprey
I personally think those golem packs are the hardest in the dungeon... so I prefer to skip them
mellow bridge
Kill the group at the bridge
shroud the group in front of the boss
Kill boss, deathskip or whatever the group again
steel lotus
I always kill adds after so I can make sure to have him at stairs for los
mellow bridge
walk through middle to priest boss, kill everything except the two big ass dinos and the troll
Pull the two on the left of the priest
perfect 100% and you avoid hard packs as much as possible
snow osprey
if you have w arlock its possible to place a gate and skip pack in front of the poison boss
mellow bridge
yeah
snow osprey
its a difficult one, pixel-fucking to place a proper gate, but doable
mellow bridge
you can shroud/gate/pull aggro and die while your group hugs the wall on the other side
frosty wedge
that pack isn't even that haard if you just cc
mellow bridge
It's preeetty hard with bolstering especially imho
as you usually kill the normal guys first then the big guys
mellow bridge
Ah you mean like that
snow osprey
you can jump down the stairs to kill stealthed guys first, then make sure oyu keep distance for bolstering
mellow bridge
It's still the hardest pull in the dungeon except the big rock guys on the other side, so I just avoid it 🤷
Why kill a hard pack if you have enough easy ones
pastel sleet
any prot changes on ptr?
snow osprey
not yet
frosty wedge
my PTR client crashes upon logging in
so...
lol
also they didn't add the texture for the blizzcon reward cloaks
to PTR
past ledge
im in love with Mythrax trinket...
frosty wedge
I'm kinda stoked about the azerite changes - so I can stop wearing 2x 340 pieces on my warr
sick sentinel
you could green screen that cloakj
tight tree
Just wait until emissary drops all the wrong gear all the time
i just want to farm for SPECIFIC items ffs
Fucking RNG in this game way too much
junior igloo
Seems like participation in daily quest went down 😄
frosty wedge
and have 385 only possible from the weekly
I'd be ok with that - but at this point, I just want to get rid of my 340s
and welcome any opportunity to do that
grim prism
An alt I've played for barely 24 hours at 120 has the same ilvl az gear as my main I've been playing since launch
Wait, I forgot my welfare 370 from the first warfront
So the above will be true in like a day or two. Lol
junior igloo
Blizzard is just making it easier for you to reroll to a real tank 😦
oblique wolf
yeah, some friends of mine are a bit butthurt about that. I started last weekend and am ~360ish
frosty wedge
see i have 0 loot luck
I'm 360ish on 2 tanks, but I'm running 345/355 rings/trinkets and a 345 weapon on my monk
and I'm spamming 8-10 keys
oblique wolf
one thing I haven't looked into yet... Are there a bunch of AM checks in dungeons like in Legion?
felt like every other boss did
frosty wedge
naw not really
mellow bridge
dont think theres a single "real" AM check
junior igloo
I only know of:
2nd boss in BRH
1st boss in VotW
from the top of my head actually.
But no, there are none in BfA so far
mellow bridge
last boss in NL
junior igloo
Oh right, the knockback
frosty wedge
on the offchance that the knockback hit though you could charge back in mid air mid knockback and he still didn't really move
you just looked bad, lol
grim prism
Did the giant alli tank worldboss have an AM check or was that an unavoidable knockback
Lions Roar or whatever
That's the only potential one I noticed, and frankly I was a smidge inebriated at the time so I couldn't tell
merry cave
Hard to say joined a group lagged out trying to get into the shard, managed to tag and collected my gold 😂
uneven mason
that was an unavoidable knockback
zinc mauve
What's an AM check?
uneven mason
Active mitigation
basically a boss ability that checks to see if you hit block before they smack you with it
grim prism
Active Mitigation, basically it does extra bad shit if you arent blocking
uneven mason
something bad (like you just fucking die) happens if you dont
merry cave
The thing that was a pain in the ass for wars and a joke for dks
grim prism
But they dont exist in tbis expac
merry cave
Oh wait that was all of legion m+
grim prism
All of current M+ you mean
grim prism
Bonershield Engaged
fresh dragon
done first 2 mythic with monk 340 :V
merry cave
Bonershield is kinda fun tbh
fresh dragon
btw... tonite first tryout on fetid mythic.. some tips except a gospel, saint water and bible?
snow osprey
@fresh dragon make sure you have arms warrior or a BM hunter to apply healing reduction on the meatpiles
snow osprey
also, if you're tanking fetid, make sure you've left your will :D
like, do you want to be buried or cremated
fresh dragon
tanking it btw from logs the rotation is: 5 x SB -> LS -> 5xSB -> LS
snow osprey
because fetid hits like a truck
fresh dragon
and SW when SB and LS are in CD
snow osprey
5 sb?? emm... how exactly can you do 5 sb in a row?
junior igloo
1 Shield Block covers 2 Thrashes if you talent Heavy Repercussions.
steel mauve
Unless thrash is delayed
neat lagoon
have we decided what a decent haste break point is? or are players just stacking as much as possible still?
mellow bridge
as much as you get baby
steel mauve
There arent any break points
junior igloo
Not sure what would make relevant haste breakpoints, most things I can think of seem not too significant.
Also, how do you "stack" a stat? 😃
steel mauve
Haste is nice but we dont really go out of our way to get it either
fresh dragon
all war prot that have dont fetid mythic (only 9 lolololol) had AM and not HR @junior igloo
and i think the reason is for LS and SW cd reduction
junior igloo
I know, it's not viable to not play AM sadly
It was just a jab at the "balance" of our talents, not even literally doubling the value of SB makes HR good enough