I shouldn't be disappointed by 385 loot
#protection
surreal stump
use the raid one in raid use other outside that way you can avoid respecing it
sick sentinel
Cache or McForge?
vagrant cape
I wouldn't mind loot 600 ilvls above current content either
sick sentinel
Tutonka has that π cache
vagrant cape
I got azerite out of my first 2 weeks
but week 1 I only did a 7
so I got a 370 helm
:\
my penis was not large enough
vagrant cape
it's not the size that counts
wild bolt
Alright well that's better news than I had thought honestly. I was afraid my 970 was made useless by something with a terrible main trait. Thanks!
sick sentinel
For the cache it is
vagrant cape
it's the community's perception of your size
sick sentinel
Bahahahhahahh
surreal stump
ive gotten rings 3 weeks in a row
vagrant cape
@wild bolt a 970 will not be useless until a few expansions from now, judging by that ilvl π
wild bolt
SON OF A
vagrant cape
happily-married couple?
sick sentinel
My wife just elbowed me. I audibly laughed. βCommunity perception of your sizeβ
chrome steppe
Just wanted to say, wish I had 970 anything π
vagrant cape
peace!
sick sentinel
π
vagrant cape
big if true, tobit
anyone else watching towelliee wipe due to his lack of being a prot warrior?
fair crystal
i know im a little late to the party but hows every one finding the new buffs ?
fair crystal
hahaha beers pretty light thank fuck i dont need some rums
surreal stump
i feel like now all i want is pure str, aka mythic cache gimmie trinkets plz
vagrant cape
I honestly can't give you a good answer yet. All I've done is a +6 shrine (went smoothly as expected) and tanked heroic uldir's first 6 bosses
but I've never tanked heroic before
so I have no point of comparison
surreal stump
just did a 10 waycrest. was ok besides when the mage would ass pull 3 groups
vagrant cape
I did get 95% parses on every boss, but that's not because of the buffs
fair crystal
yeha guild raids later on tonight so keen to see whats thats like but just interested in hat you guys thought so far
vagrant cape
I really hope we keep getting minor tweaks like ferals have been getting
they've slowly become sleeper-OP for ST fights
maybe we'll become sleeper-OP
fair crystal
yeah Agreed
vagrant cape
two prot warriors on zul, though? mmm, so good. we top the meters for 20 seconds on pull
vagrant cape
holy lord
please don't even joke
that subject is more of a dead horse than invincible
sick sentinel
hello guys if i finish 2 key 10 dungeons, which loot will i get from the weekly chest. for example the last dungeon i did was atal dazar 10, will the weekly loot come from atal dazar?
sick sentinel
ok thnx
winter skiff
how do i increase my raider io π
royal willow
Hey guys, I just got my second azerite armor piece from uldir, is it worth stacking Archive of the titans over Iron fortress? I already have an armor piece that has deafening crash on it.
obtuse venture
if ur inside uldir its always best to stack archives
but for m+ its basically ilvl > everything except deafening crash
royal willow
Gotcha, thanks for the info
old night
Thoughts on g'huun trinket?
quartz coyote
is there something like raidbots for simming gear or do i have to do it the old fashion way
final mist
There are no sims at all.
quartz coyote
old fashion way got ya
final mist
Basically just follow the stat priority and the traits list if you're looking for DPS guidelines. And we don't sim for survival anyways, so you'd just do the same regardless.
quartz coyote
never really tanked much before well since molten core kinda out of the loop on things
if im to understand the guide on icy has the wrong stats listed as priority its mastery mostly right now isnt it
been looking at raider.io and warcraftlogs to see what most warriors are stating for
weak zephyr
Just spam haste.
junior ivy
how do you not die in p3 ghuun
fair crystal
Kill Ghuun befor he kills you π
final mist
The IV is not incorrect. You do prefer Haste, but ilevel ultimately trumps every secondary stat, which is most likely why people have the gear that they do.
Also, same way you don't die to everything else, Catfriend.
upbeat folio
Has anyone done a high atal yet this week?
waxen cradle
Well I spent all of my luck for the next 6 months got a ring upgrade from weekly cache got 2 heroic gridrunner helms, a cloak upgrade and chest upgrade from doomhowl
So incoming next 6 months 0 loot
lapis pasture
Does anyone ever join voice
weak zephyr
Yes the afk channel
waxen cradle
Were all robots here we communicate through binary
junior ivy
i joined voice on here once cause i was having mic provlems and someone helped
problems
copper path
So how are the hotfixes? Do they have a big impact?
tight tree
No
broken kite
pretty much 0 impact
stone crag
obtuse venture
dude what are you guys talkin about? prot is fixed. all we needed was a 2% increase in survivability.
thank you ion. you are a god
sick sentinel
Player issue. Not a class issue.
past ledge
So, what did u guys get from the weekly chest?
shut summit
obtuse venture
i got bracers again
waxen cradle
Got a ring upgrade so hey at least its not a expulsom
past ledge
Do i get the items based on specialization ?
sick sentinel
380 crit/mastery shield wf w/socket.
autumn pendant
@past ledge yes
finite gull
Just tanked a +9 kings rest.. Never again this week
elder steppe
Got a 380 Lingering Sporepods
karmic latch
How is it going with Reinforced Plating after all of the tunes? Is it worthy trait now?
unkempt fox
so bonus rolling the world boss is a must u guess? (if ure rocking 340 DC)
unkempt fox
what a stupid system that's crazy
gray wolf
still dislike the only way to get azerite gear is thru shear luck and you can't farm it in any way
unkempt fox
would be manageable with DC items in uldir
gray wolf
true
zinc mauve
rip
unkempt fox
yes the WB drops 355 DC shoulders
past ledge
So its worth spending all coins on him yeh
zinc mauve
definitly worth if you dont have a good shoulderpiece
zinc mauve
yeah i was stuck with that for a while as well
past ledge
I wish i get a chest with dc from my chestπ
+10 please god
That should be a 385 azerite yea?
zinc mauve
im not sure how the scaling works so i cant give ya an answer
past ledge
I got the same item for 3 weeks now, same stat diff name rofl
zinc mauve
skittish is pretty easy
not really too much of a problem, bolstering tyrannical can prove problematic in certain dungeons
shrine or sethrallis come to mind
the adds in kings rest are also absolutely brutal
past ledge
Ill just stay away from those then lol
zinc mauve
siege of boralus isnt too bad but some of the add packs have non-elites, which still bolster and die before everything else
prisma night
Its bolstering fortified, not tyrannical
fallen quiver
Yo, guys!
Does it worth swap ilvl350 ring 243 haste 126 Vers with ilvl365 Vers 266 Mastery 130?
I think right answer "NO", but im not sure
zinc mauve
ye my bad i get confused with the names sometimes
i think the higher ilvl is better
both versatility and mastery are pretty much equal in terms of desirability
whats your haste with and without the 350 ring?
obtuse venture
grats
sick sentinel
So did the buffs make a difference or every healer still going to complain about healing Warriors?
distant bloom
^ I came to ask the same question
zinc mauve
its a minor buff
feral crypt
what buff? the vanguard or was there another one?
gray wolf
vanguard
fossil spindle
Still complain
ember arrow
all tanks need healers
sick sentinel
all spoiled by monks
fossil spindle
not as much as warriors
gray wolf
^ sage advice
warriors don't need more than anyone else
we just have spike damage
that's all
ember arrow
@fossil spindle do you have data to abck taht up?
fossil spindle
Yes, im a healer main
fossil spindle
havent even seen a warrior above +7 Β―_(γ)_/Β― DHs and Paladisn everywhere
also made my warrior arms, easy life
gray wolf
i'm there
gray wolf
doing pretty well in a +7 and above tbf
fossil spindle
Might be bad luck with people I guess
when you jsut spam heals on tank, that aint fun
zinc mauve
the only time i really die is when shit really goes south
ember arrow
deciphering that sentence: "when i have to do my job, that aint fun"
zinc mauve
or when i mess up hard
fossil spindle
Also, no matter how much you fanboy here, warriors aint best tanks for M+
ember arrow
i dont even play warrior
zinc mauve
we have great damage but thats about it
zinc mauve
its very punishing when we make mistakes
ember arrow
since they fucked warr in bfa
tight tree
I almost want every other tank to be cut down to warrior's level. So that spoiled people will shut up about healing tanks π
ember arrow
@tight tree standard skyhold mentality
gray wolf
^sage advice
obtuse venture
nerfed our way to mitigate unblockable dmg and put a whole bunch of unblockable dmg in dungeons
fossil spindle
Get IP off GCD and back to 90% absorb - fixed, kinda. Cant ask much from Blizz
tight tree
Half sarcasm tbh π
ember arrow
90% absorb wont solve the issue
off gcd would
90% absorb means it will deplete even faster
fossil spindle
Was thinking about how it was in Legion, but good point
ember arrow
in legion it depleted fast
gray wolf
30k damage absorb
gray wolf
for 90%
ember arrow
which bugs me
also warr has extremely low ehp outside of AM
another big nono
the bandaid buff we got is to remedy that a little bit
gray wolf
DW we got indom π€£
ember arrow
indom doesnt incrase ehp alot
gray wolf
haven't seen one prot warrior with indom yet
zinc mauve
pardon my ignorance, but what is indom?
ember arrow
Meiffert had a good explanation about problems with our talents
gray wolf
too cookie cutter_
tight tree
But then again blizzard is so braindead they have no idea how to design warrior talents, so they but ravager and bloodbath in
tight tree
I mailed all my tomes to monk, literally never changing talents
leaden kernel
should just double down as the the dps tank, bladestorm, and execute
zinc mauve
i only change the second row
leaden kernel
reach meme tier
gray wolf
give back gladiator stance @leaden kernel
fossil spindle
@gray wolf what? when?
gray wolf
think it was in a bluepost by lore
feral crypt
just make prot gladiator and make it dps
ember arrow
We need changes not love
leaden kernel
i think its about class fantasy, how else will we get rage in real life
gray wolf
Prot warrior class fantasy: Stomp the ground really hard and shout at things
leaden kernel
if we got dispel back on shield slam i would never complain again
especially with the current dungions
leaden kernel
could even make us kinda viable in pvp maybe, idk im not a pvper
gray wolf
still gonna get ignored
merry cave
Did the warfront yesterday, should replace ravager with muradins knock back punch
Which would be hilarious
leaden kernel
haymaker
merry cave
Kinda meaningless blue post
merry cave
What he should do is go find the war dev and tell him/her to go post something however meaningless
ionic ridge
It's pinned aswell
ionic ridge
So they finally pΓ»t the 5% vanguard buff?
ionic ridge
Or is this a new one o. Top of another?
hexed lion
Prot is now fixed guys stop your complaining !!!!!!!
hexed lion
Lmfao
ionic ridge
Rofl
stone crag
gray wolf
15%?
broken kite
1.5*
tight tree
Community offered million viable ways to fix warriors. They just need to get their heads out their asses and implement some of them.
stone crag
still waiting for PTR Β―_(γ)_/Β―
merry cave
Not really, community offered 5-10 ideas and 999,990 idiots calling for IP off the gcd which whilst it may feel good won't fix shit
modern steppe
Didnβt we use to increase SB duration by X sec on SS hits? They should give us that again
raven kernel
Inb4 prot becomes best tank
merry cave
That's a talent
modern steppe
They should make it baseline
tiny sphinx
shaman are supposedly getting a "fix" in the form of their elemental artifact ability as a talent, love the laziness of that solution, watch them give us NF as a talent that we have to choose instead of AM or some shitty decision like that
polar tangle
I assume trait priority hasn't changed after these miniscule buffs?
frank wagon
did they nerf prot damage?
ember arrow
no
merry cave
Dps class aoe just caught up, we weren't nerfed
ember arrow
oh, could u link patch notes/
frank wagon
idk i'm doing something wrong, yesterday i was around 7k ST and now i can't do more than 6.2k
gray wolf
procs?
frank wagon
yeah rezan and darkmoon are not proccing, guess i'm just unlucky lol
sacred nexus
355 Darkmoon Deck: Blockades, or 355 Xalzaix's Veiled Eye?
ember arrow
blockades
sacred nexus
thanks! im back off to die 1min into each pull!
ember arrow
whatcha doing atm?
if you got trouble surviving blockades would be better even if it was lower ilvl
sacred nexus
just did +10 WCM, did it in time so vhappy. got heroic run in an hour
sacred nexus
just an over exaggeration as to the state of prot warrior, i'm usually doing fine π
but our pally takes every single off tank hit in devourer, love him
sick sentinel
is our buff good?
the one from last night
it seems like we needed more
like ignore pain off the gcd
feral crypt
prot is now the best tank, armor and stam was all we needed and more /s
lean hamlet
Guys there can see raiting trinkets to tank
stone crag
i mean, it's something but as a hotfix it wont "fix" any real issues @sick sentinel you'll have to wait for PTR for that
junior igloo
@lean hamlet
Offensive or defensive?
lean hamlet
Def
junior igloo
- Darkmoon Deck: Blockades
- Mchimba's Ritual Bandages
- Xalzaix's Veiled Eye
lean hamlet
Off?
junior igloo
- Darkmoon Deck: Fathoms
- Big Red Button, Disc of Systematic Regression, Jes' Howler
- Syringe, stat sticks (strength + primary stat on some proc/on-use)
fair crystal
Booya Solo tanked Mythic Taloc boys and girls Much fun π
wintry ermine
weekly disappointment box, yet another week without deafening crash
mortal pike
Waycrest axe without stats π
leaden kernel
iv got that thing, the bleed is 1% of your total damage
so even from a dps perspective, pretty shit
wintry ermine
has there been no blue-post about azerite items only from the cache? because this has to change :/
wintry ermine
I agree, but knowing blizzard they might just nerf the trait and not give anything back.
waxen talon
class unbalance is a whole other thing,.
wintry ermine
m+ cache should have 3 items you choose from, it feels so bad
waxen talon
Azerite armor would be cool if ilvl > effect.
nah, they should just make raid azerite good choices
a good start would be making a decent amount of bosses so u have options on what to go with.
or they could add +1 spec trait to all azerite armor instead of the rng fiesta we have now.
junior igloo
@wintry ermine
But that way you'd get the pieces you want.
@waxen talon
Item level is almost always better than trait.
The only exceptions are Uldir trait in Uldir to activate Reorigination Array (which is presumably intended) and DC which is actually tuned well unless you have Unstoppable Force and Anger Management.
waxen talon
imo most of the traits are too niche
if u look at arms
Executer one is pretty useless in dungeons cuz u cant pull off the combo before things die, bladestorm is obviously AoE tuned and shouldnt be picked on ST raid fight
lord of war is the most versatile one by far.
old sage
is this weeks affixes hard or easy?
waxen talon
Sounds easy if u pick the correct dungeon.
Kings rest sounds fairly easy with forti + bolstering ;p
manic perch
LOL sure
waxen talon
idk with proper setup u can easily get past the trash and theres not much of it.
manic perch
may RNG gods smile upon thee
warm axle
i'm after the world boss DC azerite shoulders too.. does doing the world boss with less people help to increase the chance of loot?
past ledge
i dont think so
astral crystal
native coyote
loot is personal and does not change with the group size
warm axle
ah
native coyote
so in theory everybody could get loot at the same time ...or nobody I guess
warm axle
thanks for the reply π
looks like its worth spending a coin on it since we have no other azerite piece with DC other than from mythic chest :/
past ledge
i think its worth all coins to be spend xd
warm axle
its only ilvl 355 though :/
uneven mason
On the loot thing, it does change with group size you're assured X # of drops depending on raid size, I think at 10 its 2, and then add 20% Per person for another drop, so 3 at 15, 4 at 20 5 at 25 and 6 at 30 (I could be remembering the old master loot award # though)
past ledge
earthlink or shimmiring for 2nd trait?
warm axle
dang
uneven mason
My coin luck this week was pretty good, gotl oot on both
Gloves on Fetid and Shield offa Vectis
past ledge
can someone explain to me how Archive of the titans work please?
is it only usable inside Uldir?
stone crag
no, it works everywhere but the extra trait it gives "reorigination array" only works in uldir
round vortex
Hey guys. If anyone is having trouble soloing the Orb's on G'huun here is some advice for the LEFT side only. You need to pick up the orb, then the order is CHARGE, LEAP, CHARGE. But after a number of attempts I have found the location where you leap is CRITICAL to being in a good place to charge. Here is a screenshot of where to land to solo the left side.
signal plover
U doing it without lock gate?
round vortex
No thats with a lock gate
signal plover
K cuz charge charge leap is much easier
signal plover
π€
signal plover
Use a focus macro to charge the same blob right outta lock gate
round vortex
you recon i should do the same on the left?
signal plover
Then charge the second one and que up leap as you're moving
round vortex
Just confirm you're talking about the left side?
signal plover
Yes
round vortex
Hmmm ill experiment again lol
signal plover
round vortex
BUt i got it down pat with that strat
round vortex
nah man i dont play with my head up my ass is there's better im keen to learn lol
golden condor
the more and more i do higher keys (11 -12) the more i feel "brace for impact" is really a shitty trait
cinder bridge
would you run boodsport+winds of war+gemhide or iron fortress+str in numbers+resounding prot
finite quail
I do leap charge charge lol
spiral mirage
if I have one archive, should I equip one more archive or pick brace for impact?
basically is it worth to have 2 archive
manic perch
from what i have sen here no only 1
weary nacelle
Just one. No need to stack those.
spiral mirage
ok thanks :)
signal plover
Unless you are an Archivist and would like to chronicle your journey through Uodir
ionic ridge
Yeah guess I'll start with groups pushing low keys and see how it goes
old zephyr
warriors are a bitbetter at raids than at M+ currently
bronze path
read the faq
signal plover
Just noticed that Sal mentioned overBEARing memes in that pinned post... coincidence...I think not
old zephyr
what pinned post?
makes me think.
One of my guildies is doing "alternative raids" for people who are not in the progress roster, and he's gonna BEAR tank it
signal plover
old zephyr
so no bear memes?
old zephyr
sad.
maybe we should not meme them,
I ran a M+ monday with a fire mage AND a feral druid. one of the best PUGs I had that week
signal plover
I run with an ele shaman all the time it's gud
chilly brook
On the subject of solo orb running
I found charge leap charge to be best but only if you donβt have someone helping clear the cysts and donβt have a good gate placement
signal plover
Either way works as long as you're quick outta the gate
chilly brook
Otherwise I was hitting it 100% with charge charge leap when set up correctly
signal plover
I think a focus macro intercept to a cyst outta a gate is important
Certainly not necessary
chilly brook
It helps but not needed
modern brook
I got a 98 Parse on mother last night
frosty wedge
nice
chilly brook
Noice
frosty wedge
lol
modern brook
I also found out im almost top 100 warrior tanks in my realm. While not a huge accomplishment, it feels good to say
TY all for helping me reach the first point of actual progress in wow
bronze path
read the faq
modern brook
360; maybe 361-2 i didnt check post-item upgrades
chilly brook
Noice
chilly brook
Lol
At least youβre not getting relegated to off tank on mother
Cuz trust me that sucks
Boring af
modern brook
Yeah I've done it in pugs
but with my raid group they're generally alright with letting me punch her for 4 minutes
My off tank is a paladin and they keep believing me that the AoE interupt is better than anything we can do as prots
π
chilly brook
When you get a 99 on mother and the group leader the next two weeks is like βnah you do too much damage to not have you handle addsβ
modern brook
.>
I've never had a dps problem on adds
If they get stuff off its cause of lasers and bad kick stacking
prisma night
outside of uldir, so no reorigination array, how does archive compare to bfi?
chilly brook
Not worth
prisma night
kk
primal crypt
Fellow bomb users, do we still mitigate while throwing a FRIED bomb?
during the cast time
chilly brook
No
primal crypt
RIP
chilly brook
You canβt block while casting
merry cave
Yeah there pretty useless as a tank
Even as a dps I doubt they're worth the cast time now it's not instant
primal crypt
as dps it is
the FRIED bomb does a ton of dmg
people are deleting certain trash mobs
just with the bombs
I just didn't want to go splat while using them
LUL
good to know tho
hidden linden
Sorry if that's a dumb question but it's the first time I hear about these bombs: what are they? Engineer craft?
primal crypt
yup
uneven mason
the Sheep bombs are pretty amazing for prepulling some things
uneven mason
reduce your up front burst of intake
modern brook
Its only a dumb question if we can all respond with
primal crypt
^
uneven mason
^^^
hidden linden
Thanks :)
modern brook
On the topic of professions: how do i make money I'm sitting at 600 gold rn
modern brook
its ok I saw it still
primal crypt
Bull is going to see it now too
modern brook
Yeah I switched to that
primal crypt
proc flasks/pots
and sell throughout the week
have a decent chunk to sell on reset day
since guilds require people to buy flasks in some cases
modern brook
Sorry i had to do my job real quick; yeah I switched to that but I feel like im dumping all my resources into leveling the profession
im poorer than ever lol
plush glade
Mythic Zek'vos question. How do we best mitagate the full void lash combo..
dusk locust
lots of ways. you can have last stand up for the whole thing and ignore pain all 3 hits if you save rage, you can have shield wall up for it. regardless make sure you block the second hit and spell reflect the third
earnest zinc
Reroll
graceful mason
I spell reflect the first since after teh 3rd youre not taking dmg anymore
dusk locust
my hp barely moves on the zek combo tbh unless i've let myself be rage starved
earnest zinc
That combo is really easy to survive on heroic
dusk locust
i kind of like spell reflecting the last one b/c healers can bring you up some after the first
earnest zinc
Not sure about mythic
dusk locust
it's fine on mythic i was doing it last night
dusk locust
not really a huge diff i guess
thorny pumice
Any tips on heroic zul? I'm primarily arms and our guilds back up tank. I had to tank last night and everything felt fine until Zul. Couldn't even stay up long enough to get thr debuff out
wintry ermine
is there a list of spell reflectable things in uldir?
modern brook
I demo the first lash, shieldblock the shatter, spell reflect the third lash
earnest zinc
Shield Block is a given for shatter
modern brook
IP if i have rage with them
earnest zinc
You are a bad prot warrior if you aren't shield blocking big predictable hits like that
modern brook
π
dusk locust
zul you want to spend like all of your rage on the bleed, so last stand rather than shield blocking
earnest zinc
That bleed is insane
Though use your rage on only IP for it
Prioritizing being able to use more after your co-tank taunts
thorny pumice
So IP and LS? Weve got 1 paladin and he was going to BoP me for my second time dropping debuff but I cant even get there
dusk locust
yeah a pally can help a ton
frosty wedge
I hear battle res is a good cooldown to use for that bleed
earnest zinc
The boss itself hits like a wet noodle with melee in comparison
@frosty wedge That's what I use on both my warrior and monk
frosty wedge
π
earnest zinc
I don't think my guild ever downed it without me dying to bleed at least once
dusk locust
lol same
uneven mason
I only die to the bleed when the other tank flubs the taunt
and I get 5 stacks
had 6 on me latnight 0.6% wipe Feels bad man
earnest zinc
We are doing 4 stacks, but it's only normal
primal crypt
LUL 6 stacks
uneven mason
had to retrain the new tank
primal crypt
feelsbadman
uneven mason
Yeah I Was like
WHEN SHIELD WALL ENDS I"M JUST GOING TO DIE
No holypriest to guardian me
earnest zinc
My usual co-tank no showed last night and the replacement did not know mechanics very well
earnest zinc
Thankfully we didn't do Zul that night
earnest zinc
I did have 4 stacks of the tank DoT on heroic vectis at one point though
modern brook
I like ignore pain as a concept
prime kernel
yo, how good is https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280407/blood-rite for us ? cannot find it in any spreadsheet
sick sentinel
is warboss up in arathi?
blissful imp
If your dps/rotation is good you can Last Stand every single Zek'voz combo. And at that point it just tickles, especially with Spell reflect and Demo shout if available
kind prairie
The buff make prot feel any better?
thin mortar
don't even notice it
kind prairie
Figured as much. Thanks
pearl tapir
anyone got tip for avoiding whirlpool blades from sword dude in FH 2nd boss
thin mortar
the council fight?
pearl tapir
yeah, gotta stand still for blade to return to him, but it has a large radius
dusky mica
let the blade hit the boss, dont kite it
stray wedge
Gotta make sure it goes directly through the boss in a straight line with you on the very opposite side
Otherwise it'll hit you
dusk locust
wait... that spinning blade despawns if it hits him?
pearl tapir
yeah
dusk locust
huh TIL
pearl tapir
sometime I can avoid getting hit by the blades by backpedal a little a moment before it despawn, but it is a hit a miss
boreal patrol
365 haste proc trinket vs 380 crit proc trinket? The icy veins stat prio leads me to believe that the 380 might be better
tight tree
haste have survivability benefit
dusk locust
i forget, what's the crit survivability benefit
uneven mason
Parry, it does nothing for EHP
dusk locust
crit affects parry?
dusk locust
gotcha
uneven mason
100% of crit is tranlsated into parry
(its on the warrior protection aura spell if you wowhead it)
I mean, overall the higher str on the 380 might be of benefit
but a 365 Rezan's (guessing)
is going to beat nearly anything
dense flame
how often are you guys using devastate in m+? more on the rare side?
versed whale
rare
past ledge
i use it when i cant use anything else lol
boreal patrol
Thanks for the reply @uneven mason will use the Rezan trinket
tight tree
Blocks for the block god
bright hornet
i have a question
looking at the spreadsheet made by marok
and i dont get how haste translates into a gain for ignore pain
can someone please explain?
chrome falcon
amber siren
Haste increases attack speed and lowers gcd which increases rage gen
It's not a direct 1:1 gain
bright hornet
i was gonna say, in that case isnt the spreadsheet misleading then?
sick sentinel
good to see we're back the best tank class in game
amber siren
Which spreadsheet are you looking at? I don't think I've looked at it
bright hornet
amber siren
Yeah I'm not sure what's up with that, it doesn't increase the absorb
bright hornet
yeah, thats what i was thinking
so all in all, gcd reduction, more rage gen
remind me. does shield bash have lower cd based on haste?
amber siren
I actually don't know
uneven mason
Yes
bright hornet
does thunderclap generate 5 rage per enemy hit? or just 5 rage flat
rough jasper
5 flat
bright hornet
kk
uneven mason
yeah
bright hornet
if only, right?
sand egret
you thought IP on the GCD was being complained about now?
uneven mason
TBH wouldn't change much heh
sand egret
I have a hard time finding free globals as is
but yeah, it'd be interesting! hope everyone's cache went well yesterday, I got a haste mainstat ring so I cant complain
past ledge
got a 380 shield with a socket which is still good considering i got the shoulders from the world boss xD
upgrades all over the place so, im a happy prot today
sweet kettle
You are playing prot nothing will ever make you happy
past ledge
that too but im already sad IRL so dont want to be double sad now
sweet kettle
That would look pretty funny
uneven mason
I'm perfectly happy with Prot
solid mist
yeah I like prot. my worry is that they remove all the things that make it unique and interesting to play
instead of figuring out how to fill in the gaps
dusk locust
same
uneven mason
when I see folks crying for fixes and buffs and changes
We don't need much
a buff to IP
and Gag order
sweet kettle
The main thing prot lacks that other tanks have is survivability
uneven mason
Except we don't
dusk locust
our survivability is pretty good
signal plover
^
digital arrow
has anyone at blizz written off the very easy "add more cushion to ip and/or take it off gcd" solution yet through a blue post yet?
dusk locust
there are a couple sketchy pulls in m+
sweet kettle
No it's not
sweet kettle
Revenge
uneven mason
The same thing we spend rage on
ember arrow
same lock on gcd
uneven mason
I'm not hurting for rage generation generally unless I'm being an idiot
stark sage
yeah TC generating 5 rage per target wouldnt really help with survival you would just cap rage on aoe a lot
sweet kettle
And you are already generating a lot of rage during avatar
molten radish
Keep 340 with dc or upgrade to 370 and lose dc
ionic ridge
DC is love, DC is life
molten radish
Lmao
uneven mason
+++ "It wont be as bad as legendaries"
molten radish
Okay
sweet kettle
The azerite system and how it works is legit the most brain dead thing blizzard ever created
uneven mason
Our others have little noticeable impact unless you're comparing logs after the fact
DC at least you can watch it happen
weak zephyr
Bellular did a pretty solid video summing up why people felt that the azerite system seemed lackluster.
signal plover
Because it is?
uneven mason
Checkout this self sustain
weak zephyr
I think the system sucks ass too.
real thunder
Can anyone recommend a good weakaura group for mythic plus affixes? I had one for legion but it doesn't work anymore and the ones ive found are either incomplete or old.
molten radish
Use the slootbag warrior weak aura group
real thunder
searching now, thanks
plain vapor
365 and 385
mellow bridge
aight that's what I was thinking too
thanks
actually lucky with my loot today
first I got rezans in a +9 AD and then this ring in a +10 AD
titanforged even
uneven mason
I'm retraining a tank this week ><
slows us down a bit
Let me tell ya, BDK must be the easiest thing on earth to play
sand egret
tellin em to macro /sit to every action?
sand egret
yeah
old night
Whats the consensus on g'huun trink?
uneven mason
Increases his HPS
sand egret
would just boost his HPS tbh
sand egret
from what ive heard
uneven mason
Its pretty π€’
old night
i guess ill keep rolling seedpod and blockades then
sand egret
then it'll find some use
jovial forge
how we feeling after the 5% buff to vanguard ?
jovial forge
thought so LUL
sand egret
yeah i can solo tank G'huun now with that 5% buff
uneven mason
Possibly on normal
sand egret
just got massive swag
uneven mason
if the orb team is doing their thing
uneven mason
thats what, like only 22 stacks if they do the timing perfectly?
sand egret
chump change
(all meme's aside, i'll take the teeny buff but it doesn't affect me in the slightest, imho)
uneven mason
^^
jovial forge
Make IP actually worth using β€
uneven mason
It is worth using
jovial forge
yyy
uneven mason
Its just not overpowered
jovial forge
but its weak af tho
sand egret
if anything, showing up in the patch notes with "increased" next to us is doing us more good in nerfing public perception than anything
uneven mason
Except it didn't do anything
jovial forge
whats your ilevel + you have ip trait ?
uneven mason
folks still go "Luls Prot" at me as I walk around
I mean the 'Prot needs love' blue post
did more harm than anything
sand egret
yeah....
uneven mason
370 - I have 1 bloodsport
and all in all, IP is noticeable
not very
but it is
especially when I use my Dark Iron racial to buff my str and crank it up even more.
Surviving Zul's DoT +++
without externals
uneven mason
Here is another
dense flame
in general for cd rotation from pack to pack. Do you overlap demo/last stand? or is it best to sacrifice dps initially on pull to spread out defensives. Was thinking most usage in dungeon would be to use last stand on cd and cycle shield blocks? Trying to see whats optimal usage for total dungeon mitigation.
uneven mason
DS should be available for every pack
dense flame
kk
sand egret
Last Stand in my eyes is my "bide time to recharge SB" button
uneven mason
depends on the pack, LS is best used after you've already taken some damage (Because it heals)
^^
dense flame
ah
sand egret
it lasts 15 seconds
dense flame
that would make sense
sand egret
which people sleep on
uneven mason
It'll last a whole pull
sand egret
thats a full SB charge
uneven mason
Last Stand/Shield Wall is an excuse to pull 2 packs
sand egret
so go SB > SB > (3rd charge should be up) > LS > SB
uneven mason
mebbie not bolstering week
sand egret
by then the pack should be dead haha
dense flame
kk cool thanks guys.
vagrant cape
out of curiosity, looking at the defensive trinkets (mostly the king's rest bandages absorb trinket), 50k absorb on a 2 minute cooldown is terrible. How much of an absorb would it need in order to be competitive with, say, blockades?
my guess is 125k (on a 2 min cd)
solid mist
that thing from antorus that just lets you ignore any single mechanic of your choice
vagrant cape
1k shield per second, roughly
sand egret
honestly, if the absorb worked after IP then it'd be solid
uneven mason
Yeah I was thinking, if we had a trinket like the Aggramar's
IP is always last go figure
sand egret
Aggramar's was such a sweet trinket, thematically
solid mist
it had it's uses. especially in pugs. oops other tank fucked up. oh well I'll taunt pop that trinket and stand there laughing
sand egret
I would use it in my M+ runs as an "Oh shit, let me give the healer time to stabilize" button
vagrant cape
I stopped playing in legion before antorus came out, what did the trinket do exactly?
young marlin
Helped ya parse healing
So is prot just dead for high end content right now till they fix it?
solid mist
dps from it wasn't too shabby
frigid blaze
Anyone have some super clean H Zul kills they can link logs for? We're getting it down, but we can't seem to have a clean P2.
dark junco
Before they fixed it, I used it first week and in m+
Instead of 1.7m or so, it was 160k shield
limber rivet
does prot fair better in m+ than raids or is it the same either way? or are they better in raids than m+? heh
dark junco
Weβre ok both places
limber rivet
ah, i thought maybe warriors would be better in m+ since blocking seems to favor trash pack fights more often and m+ is really all about trash, boss fights are meh
vagrant cape
but I parsed super well so I'm happy to share
flips hair
we did the zerg strat
step 1: lust on pull
step 2: cc the blood hexers
step 3: murder zul
Optional step 4: Cry when you realize that your guild's main prot warrior tank didn't have a deafening crash trait until he got a 355 one from the world boss yesterday.
HE WAS THE MYTHIC TANK
I am flabbergasted.
grim prism
@limber rivet yeah you'd really think that'd be the case 
vagrant cape
I think we're better in raids by a small margin
but it's such a difficult comparison to make
we're great on taloc, mother, and fetid and meh at the rest, but those are the bosses no one has issues with (at least on heroic, mythic I have no experience with)
near turtle
Anyone feel like Deafening Crash is not worth stacking on azerite armor since only the damage stacks?
vagrant cape
in mythic plus we bring an aoe stun and an aoe fear interrupt and amazing damage. in raid we bring great mobility (orb running, repositioning on fetid or zek) and a raid buff
signal plover
And a raid CD
vagrant cape
@near turtle don't stack them. literally any other prot trait is better than a second deafening crash
near turtle
Good Iβm glad Iβm not alone. I like Brace for Impact stacked
vagrant cape
we all do, friend, it's almost like it's the best one after DC
signal plover
You're prolly not alone cuz the guide advocates exactly what ur saying ;)
vagrant cape
I'm so happy I bonus rolled 355 DC shoulders from the world boss. My life feels so much more elevated now
near turtle
I just joined about 5 mins ago Paw lol
vagrant cape
then the guides should be the first place you look for info before you ask questions π
signal plover
I'm just being sassy
near turtle
Alrighty then..
signal plover
But make sure
frigid blaze
@vagrant cape thanks, I'll check those logs out. We are using the zerg strat, too.
signal plover
They're not overBEARing bear memes
frigid blaze
Phase 2 we tanks are just getting demolished. Prot warrior (me) + brewmaster
vagrant cape
@frigid blaze you absolutely need a priest for the strat to work, too. That was alt night and our priest was busy with real life, so we had to pug a priest because we just couldn't do it
signal plover
Yeah Zul dot hits like a train that never ends
vagrant cape
Yeah, phase 2 you gotta call for every external you have left
vagrant cape
if you have one or more paladins, call for a bop as soon as you get to the edge with your dot
it'll cleanse it and drop the puddle
so you don't have to worry about the remainder of the bleed
vagrant cape
indeed
signal plover
Also stay in to generate rage for IP after the other tank taunts
frigid blaze
We use 2 priests, fortunately.
vagrant cape
whoops... mistagged...
frigid blaze
I call for our pally to follow me and we op the first one
vagrant cape
I wouldn't be surprised if the bleed damage gets nerfed
frigid blaze
First one is easy because of bop. Second one is okay because the brewmaster takes it. 3 and 4 are where we have problems. I think it's an organization issue.
vagrant cape
then again, there's no real need for tank externals until that point
vagrant cape
you shouldn't be getting a 4
frigid blaze
And all tank personals, I believe.
vagrant cape
zul should fall over when your third gets to its 3rd stack or so
frigid blaze
Interesting.
frigid blaze
kk. Should I pop LS before the dot drops, or use it when I'm actively tanking to make use of Bolster?
vagrant cape
use it when tanking so you can use/pool rage for IP
and spam that as much as possible
I don't know much about timing it, but if you can, try to keep demo shout up for as much of the bleed as you can
and if need be, pop avatar to get some rage for IP
frigid blaze
On this attempt I don't see a LS cast by you. Did you just not need it?
Yeah that's a good idea.
vagrant cape
I did not, it was quite hectic and I had about 4 externals on me because the boss was so close to dying
frigid blaze
Not slamming you, btw. If you don't need LS, more power to you. I'm getting wrecked.
Gotcha
vagrant cape
the healers were just like, "ffs we're so close please don't die"
frigid blaze
Mind if I send my links? I'm sure I'm misplaying in the chaos of it all.
I was dead for the kill, so something is definitely going wrong, lol.
vagrant cape
those logs were the first time I've ever tanked heroic zul, but I'll do my best
my guild normally has me as arms
I was filling in mostly as a joke at first, but then our other 2 main tanks didn't show up for alt night
sure, link em
I could use another reason to procrastinate this CAD homework
vagrant cape
cracks knuckles
frigid blaze
Look man
vagrant cape
"Yep. It's a log. Oak, I think. Maybe maple."
frigid blaze
I was 12. I was like "haha tauren love nature I'll name mine POLUTION"
And, while it may not be correct, I will forever stand by the belief that the second "L" is useless and that the word looks better with just the one.
vagrant cape
damn, son, 340 azerite in all slots? that's a yikes for sure
pearl tapir
370 ilvl here rocking two 340 azerite pieces
feral crypt
in my language, pollution means wet dream, so theres that as well
frigid blaze
That's a beautiful culture you have there, Derienn.
reef fulcrum
Can you guys confirm if we can reflect immunosuppression on vectis with SR? Reflect as in not receive the debuff. Thanks π
uneven mason
You cannot
wintry ermine
worth it to bonus roll the world boss? got 340 shoulders 370 everything else
reef fulcrum
Thanks
solid mist
wait... so if you get omega vector on you for some reason, you can pop spell reflect as it's wearing off to negate the stack?
is that what you are saying?
signal plover
Yes
split ingot
As a prot warrior is it worth prioritizing stats or is Ilevel almost always going to be better? I hope that question isn't too dumb.
solid mist
damn. TIL
signal plover
π
frigid blaze
Byron (and anyone else looking at my logs), tag me when you've got feedback! Need to get a post out for work.
dusk locust
can you cancel lingering infection if you're about to get hit by a line in p2 vectis by spell reflecting it?
vagrant cape
okie dokie, I was setting it up to compare my performance to yours
signal plover
That I haven't tried
vagrant cape
and I finally got it figured out
uneven mason
You mean like the old trick AMS used todo with the fire debuff
signal plover
Or every debuff
vagrant cape
@dusk locust the lines in p2 will grant you the debuff even if you reflect. it will only mitigate 20% of the incoming damage
signal plover
Lel twin ogron
uneven mason
indeed
signal plover
Leap was fun on that fight
signal plover
Something something glad stance