sometimes I take stormbolt
#protection
cinder nova
I just baseline stormbolt
I never not had a use for it
And the shockwave CDR never really got my dick hard
So
Also W A R M O D E
sick sentinel
same.
frosty wedge
dragon charge is what I want charge to be always
chrome steppe
"But right now, with Prot, your trinket slot and one of your azerite slots are the only places that any thought is required when gearing up and deciding on upgrades, and honestly, that feels AMAZING"
I feel the opposite way, I prefer when I'm happy that I got those haste/mastery legs or something. When some stats feel much better and some stats sucks.
knotty ermine
Make stormbolt baseline, replace SB talent with a talent that changes SB to shattering throw
Blizz plz
cinder nova
I barely notice any change to be honest.
frosty wedge
meh Laura, with the random bullshit on crafted gear i'm happy I don't have to really care my belt rolled crit
cinder nova
Honestly they just need to overhaul our talents to make them actually worth a damn
knotty ermine
@chrome steppe an that's fine, Like I said, I get that some people enjoy targeting specific stats and playing tetris, but for me personally it's nice to actually have a class that is currently meeting blizzard's design goal they've been spouting for 3+ years of "We want ilevel to > all"
chrome steppe
random rolls π also no reforging π arriving once again to iLvl being the only stat π
fathom glade
are we good now with this buff?
knotty ermine
The feeling of "an upgrade not actually being an upgrade" was at its peak with stupid ass relics and then crucible traits, and I would greatly prefer to stay as far away from that as possible.
lusty grotto
@fathom glade
chrome steppe
I jsut hate Blizzard's goals, honestly. I used to play Hearthstone for some time, they keep making announcements like "Standard is extremely tiny set of cards because people would be confused by too many cards and also it'd be hard design-wise" and "we're not keeping mechanic X because having more mechancis would confuse players." tl'dr "Youre're atrded, fuck you, also, we're lazy and fuck you" and "y'all're fucking stupid shits."
and I feel WoW is heading the same direction
knotty ermine
It doesn't feel as good as getting a god-rolled item, sure, but personally, I'll happily trade that feeling for never feeling how shitty it is to get items that aren't actually upgrades
mellow bridge
Like I have a friend that plays UH DK and he often gets items 15ilvl or so higher that sim lower than his old item
knotty ermine
Makes the game far more approachable too
mellow bridge
just feels dumb
lusty grotto
i just don't understand people that want that sort of complexity
knotty ermine
though I cannot fathom blizz is reeling in many new accounts these days
lusty grotto
i mean to be fair it will always be a job, due to min/maxxing
but the more they do to minimize it, the better
mellow bridge
There's interesting complexity in encounter and class design and similar stuff
Complexity in which item is wear
is not something I want
lusty grotto
right
mellow bridge
"wow good that someone wasted x hours of their life to create a simcraft so I can check which item sims higher for my dps"
"such fun and great design"
quartz coyote
hey im super out of the loop did they change block again?
knotty ermine
It also feels really bad when you get an item, and have to temper your excitement for when the sim results come back
lusty grotto
not recently @quartz coyote how far out of the loop?
quartz coyote
i thought it was block amount = to block vaule and some math
tooltip on character sheet says a flat 40% now
knotty ermine
"Hey guys is x and upgrade over y" should be a simple and intuitive decision, that you have a very high chance of answering correctly just with a cursory glance at the piece of gear
lusty grotto
block mitigation % = block rating / (block rating + k)
where K is the famous coefficient
wraith hemlock
you are asking people to think by themselves? That sounds rough...
ember arrow
if u dont make it intuitive
u will have 3rd party systems tell u what to equip
theres no win
like azerite is now in some cases
chrome steppe
I'll go ahead and say the two accursed words. Filthy casual. That's what iLvl gearing feels like to me. No thinking, just three numbers. Very much nearing the shore of "if I run this, I'm guaranteed an upgrade." And it all comes at the cost of class indentity. I used to be like "Hey, I get resource from crit. My mastery sucks. Haste makes me crit more often." Something like that. Not mentioning hit stacking on Fury and Combat on BC. You could talk to your friends for ages about theorycrafting, garing and blablabla. Now it's like "Been there. Item dropped. ILvl higher. Item good."
/endrant, sorry
ember arrow
@chrome steppe u can talk ages about TC
did u even TC at all?
or is this baseless speculation?
knotty ermine
I don't follow the logic that simplified gearing decisions take away from class identity. Care to elaborate more?
lusty grotto
i mean there's no difference when you stacked a single stat to stacking ilvl
frosty wedge
also WQ being class specific and not spec specific is annoiying
ember arrow
im no theorycrafter, but ive talked with people doing it, i based my opinion on most of my decision, and its not as simple or shorthanded as u make it sound
frosty wedge
my DK was using a 325 blue 2 hander, and the quest for honorbound emmsiary warforged into a 350 one hander.
clear sapphire
Should go back to how gear was itemized in vanilla π
lusty grotto
hit stacking.... and expertise, were horrible fucking systems. Good riddance to them @chrome steppe
dark junco
whats BiS chest ?
ember arrow
@lusty grotto glancing blow π
thin mortar
probably a double D
strong hill
Ah expertise. I remember that
dark junco
bfi - av anywhere on a shield
lusty grotto
fuck those stats
knotty ermine
clear sapphire
fuck these stats
chrome steppe
It was
clear sapphire
still isnt
wraith hemlock
I would say a D cup is BiS,
lusty grotto
it wasn't fun at all
lusty grotto
every single patch sim
ember arrow
eeee
chrome steppe
Nah, you don't care for cup size, just iLvl. No preferences, jsut iLvl.
wraith hemlock
and fuck vanilla itemization
lusty grotto
but deep enough that theorycrafters still provide a bit of priority to each
ember arrow
theres alot of TC
clear sapphire
Shield spikes. nuff said π
ember arrow
the game has shigfted from complex gearing to xomplex mechanics
strong hill
WTB shield spikes.
knotty ermine
Idk. Everyone has different opinions, but I just think I enjoy the idea of "Hey I'm pushing ahead on difficulty, and any item that drops in here will be an upgrade" versus "Well if the right item drops, it will be an upgrade, everything else is trash to me unless it titanforges"
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest shield spikes would be sweet, would make Blacksmithing relevant maybe
at least again
wraith hemlock
but only for wars... I mean, paladins don't block that often in comparison
knotty ermine
Change shield spikes to armor spikes
knotty ermine
Guardian druids have that already (Brambles)
solid mist
I think it's fun to have 1 or 2 pieces that you are like targetting and waiting for. specific weapon, trinket etc. I remember getting my perdition's blade. goddamn that felt amazing. But yeah pants and shit... if it drops from a boss that dorps higher level sstuff than what I'm wearing should be a upgrade in general
ember arrow
though its rng
dark junco
vs
knotty ermine
Exactly @solid mist
surreal maple
What is that addon?
knotty ermine
385 @dark junco
lusty grotto
armor + str >
dark junco
wasn't sure if bfi was way up there or not
lusty grotto
even if it wasn't
solid mist
1 trait of DC is really all taht matters
knotty ermine
bfi was never way up there, at least not so much that it trumped ilevel
dark junco
^
sick sentinel
archive can be fat stack stats
dark junco
Well Marok says it is, we got no stats weight or ranking anywhere so yeah
knotty ermine
He says
dark junco
Thats why I was asking ^^
lusty grotto
if all ilvls equal, then sure
wraith hemlock
I just hate titanforging so much, because it is kind of dumb... you can be farming heroic/mythic X raid, then on a random normal run to help a friend you get the item titanforged with +30 or more ilvls from the normal ilvl it should've
knotty ermine
Generally speaking, the stat priority should only be followed when comparing gear of the same item level. A piece of gear with a higher item level than what you currently have should be equipped regardless of its secondary stats.
In the same vein, it is also important to understand that having more stats is better than having "better" stats.
fierce juniper
Use Gridrunner kral
dark junco
Thanks
knotty ermine
This includes azerite traits, with the only exception being given to maintaining DC x1
fierce juniper
they're both good piece though, both have veins/visage
can't go wrong with either
dark junco
BFI stacking made me consider if I should stick to it
sick sentinel
bloodsport though π€’
dark junco
Even mroe because my shield is only 355 atm
fierce juniper
gridrunner will be better for sure once reorigination array starts stacking more
uneven mason
Bloodsport isn't bad beth
dark junco
yeah, figured at 7 stacks or so I'd switch from bfi to Archive
knotty ermine
Hold onto gridrunner, but for now go with the higher ilevel, imo
uneven mason
I mean, it helps address a central weakness
lusty grotto
π€· -152 armor -82 str
uneven mason
ew
wraith hemlock
while ilvl is better than stats... having reori means you will get at least 300 of a secondary stat which is really strong...
lusty grotto
reorigination doesn't work on M+ though
considering i barely touch Uldir as is
i don't think i would go for that
sick sentinel
I do keep a blood bloodsport set for occasions, but doesnt do any good in mythic+ where can't swap gear.
uneven mason
Yeah bloodsport is lackluster for M+ in general, it has its definite uses in Uldir
does well on Vect and Zul
and Mythrax to a point
modern brook
I finally got azerite fucked :/
ember arrow
secy
modern brook
355 helm is my only uldir option, got a 370 shoulder that was my 340 DC and i have a 385 chest peice
I have a 340 helm DC
is that worth losing the uldir one?
or is 30 ilvls better to drop?
zinc mauve
are any of the traits asides from deafening crash worth prioritizing over a 15 ilvl improvement?
lusty grotto
no
modern brook
even the uldir one?
modern brook
man. maybe my m+ chest will just resolve this issue fo rme
sick sentinel
Archive can be swapped for BFI outside of uldir.
lusty grotto
right
and you don't lose stacks
but
if swapped to BFI, i don't think it's worth -15 ilvls
shrug
zinc mauve
the worst feeling is switching pieces and losing a 3rd tier trait because of it
sick sentinel
I'd still prefer either over bloodsport or rezans, despite ilvl.
modern brook
Thats not my issue though; im deciding between Archive or BFI at +15 ilvls, or Bloodsport at +30 ilvls over DC
my guess is archives
sick sentinel
Oh. Well, I'd never swap out DC if no other piece alternative.
modern brook
Yeah i got 370 shoulders from the warfront
sick sentinel
DC is too must. To me.
lusty grotto
i mean
modern brook
:/
lusty grotto
do you raid a lot bullfango?
modern brook
not in the future
zinc mauve
id personally use the bloodsport since its 30 ilvls and the reorigination stacks arent high enough yet
modern brook
mostly M+ and arms pvp
lusty grotto
use helm then
sick sentinel
DC just feels so fucking good. Especially with higher and higher haste.
lusty grotto
Reorigination won't do anything for you
modern brook
That what i was thinking
I wasnt sure if the scaling str affected it at all since azerite dont have 2ndary stats
lusty grotto
just keep the other piece, just in case
modern brook
I dont break anything 340+
lusty grotto
what do you mean scaling str
modern brook
Archive of the titans
solid mist
well you see <checks notes> str is good
lusty grotto
what's the STR difference between each piece
modern brook
I dont have them in front of me
though i understand where you're going with this and can check my self when i get home
I'd guess somewhere in the 50 range though
lusty grotto
remember the way archive works is it keeps increasing in combat... so if you expect quick fights
its not as impactful
chrome steppe
eh, I'm not even sure I was talking the same thing. only paying 25% attention π
lusty grotto
so it's better to have a static STR upgrade
sick sentinel
would be hot for mythic+. sadly, my only archive piece 355 is shoulders, and cba to lose the DC. π¦
lusty grotto
right
past ledge
man, having a mage in my new m+pug is a life saver...
finishing +9 and 10 in times is easy now lol
lusty grotto
you need 2 mins 30 seconds for Archive to stack completely
if your encounters are shorter than that...
knotty ermine
Them treants doh β€
heady citrus
hmmm got 370 chest w/ Bloodsport or Bloodrite... or keep using my 340 with DC
knotty ermine
Had a mage in Freehold 10 last week send an errant frost orb into a whole bunch of non-aggroed ugly. Really ruined the entire class for me tbh
lusty grotto
@heady citrus is that your only piece with DC?
heady citrus
yeah
lusty grotto
welp youre fucked
heady citrus
character 3 days old
digital arrow
fuckin love treants
uneven mason
Did the hotfix for Vanguard go in?
heady citrus
yeah they are live
uneven mason
ok
modern brook
is it noticible?
digital arrow
@past ledge i discovered my love for mages too. also the biscuits ftw
mages always seem to know when im trying to gfto
every time i leap out, enemies rooted
im like TY
modern brook
My friend plays frost mage, makes necrotic ez as all hell
lusty grotto
@heady citrus keep using DC chest, keep other chest in case you get DC on other pieces
digital arrow
hel yeah
uneven mason
Frost Mage + Mistweaver + Boomkin + Hunter is my favorite setup right now
modern brook
I've never played with good Booms or hunters before :/
digital arrow
lol i've played with derpy hunters and its still an advantage. had one fuck up his trap lmao, pulled the group instead
uneven mason
literally you only need like 30feet to clear stacks with RoP
modern brook
bad
uneven mason
less at times
yeah my wife is the hunter
so I can like literally point to her screen
lusty grotto
is she the hunter of your <3?
uneven mason
and show her want I want done
lusty grotto
ok i'll leave
lusty grotto
oof
uneven mason
Yeah she hates it when I point that out
like "Your rotation is bascially so easy I could reach over and slap your numpad and you'd do 80% Of your normal DPS"
knotty ermine
My opinion of hunters has dropped significantly since that one hunter in Method used Barrage for Ghuun, and every huntard and their sister started running it suddenly, and over-aggroing everything in the dungeon
modern brook
is her rotation actualy on her* numpad
uneven mason
But I kid, she's competent...better hunter than resto druid anyway ><
knotty ermine
but hunters value as a scapegoat cannot be matched
lusty grotto
I play with my brother, he's a monk. My strat is... Let him tank while I arms lol
uneven mason
No Bullfango, she uses a Logitec G600 and binds her rotation to the keypad on that.
modern brook
I found out my healer is a bar clicker
uneven mason
π€’
modern brook
He's still the best healer I've ever played with
and he's a goddamn bar clicker π
modern brook
π
junior ivy
π
lusty grotto
At least he's not a clicker AND a keyboard turner
lusty grotto
Catfiend I thought you were graduating from not clicking, what happened?
grim prism
[opens spellbook]
modern brook
spellbookers are just 9000 iq
junior ivy
im still in the proces sof becomign a keybinder..
weak zephyr
/cast ignore pain
solid mist
lolwut
stark galleon
any news on the rework?
weak zephyr
May as well play wow on the fucking command terminal while we're at it.
junior ivy
hey hey hey where does a helm with DC drop?
modern brook
You say it as if thats not already a good game
junior ivy
ty
solid mist
dudes playing WoW MUDD over there
lusty grotto
from last boss
sick sentinel
Weapons wf only
modern brook
IIRC only some shields were prevented from TF
sick sentinel
Sad.
lusty grotto
it's not weird at all though, TF weapons considering weapon damage would not have you upgrade in a while
sick sentinel
Crit/mastery
lusty grotto
same with shield block
delicate bone
Remeber the Hotfix with 5% armor and 5% stamina on passiv?
Cant find it in the patchesnotes xD
delicate bone
modern brook
that's a fix i'd be unable to approach at a bar, tbh
crisp stone
I'm gonna assume the Ghuun trinket at 370 is worse than a blockades
lusty grotto
you assume correctly
sick sentinel
Yes. It has next to no defensive impact compared to blockades :p
sick sentinel
junior ivy
when youre tryin to climb a mountain using heroic leap and it doesnt work you slide back down adn gotta waity for the cooldown again π
sick sentinel
Admittedly, still need to make an account myself
lusty grotto
dbm turns on combat logs, use that option
uneven mason
I livelog everything I do as prot
quaint kiln
exorsus raid tools
uneven mason
yeah
lusty grotto
right that's what i meant
uneven mason
I don't use the option in ERT though, loggerhead is fire and forget
quaint kiln
I use Deus Vox
uneven mason
but it yells at you the first time you zone in
Although, it was like "You have entered Mythic +11 Tol Dagur" ..you really sure you want to be here "No" "Log it"
lusty grotto
i honestly don't turn on anything, i just enabled the option and it turns on by itself on ERT
novel comet
@lusty grotto I cant get into a group as Prot. Hell, I cant even as Arms right now. 500 Raider.io, 370 ilvl.
uneven mason
Its pretty much spot on with our representation in the overall runs
candid cove
I gained 7k hp at 365 ilvl. Gonna tank the world.
uneven mason
If you're having issues with getting groups as Arms
than it might be you
Like, thats the #1 question I get asked when I'm looking for keys as a prot war "Go arms?"
uneven mason
I actually say no - But I'll still beat you at DPS
yeah, BFA has been melee heavy
in my experience
uneven mason
We've been forcing folks to swap to ranged characters
novel comet
@uneven mason Thats the dumbest thing I've ever read. β€ I can't control whether they invite or not.
lusty grotto
also making friends is useful π
uneven mason
I trick folks
novel comet
Yeah I usually run with my guildies.
quaint kiln
I have friends that ask me to tank on my warrior
novel comet
but we're lacking a tank right now, so I'm tanking.
uneven mason
^
quaint kiln
and I fucking die inside slowly, key after key - because my DH/DK are faceroll in comparison
novel comet
Same for raid.
Oh my Prot Pally....LMAO. 350 ilvl. So much easier to tank on.
I notice a big difference.
quaint kiln
"You want me to tank on my warrior?" FUCK - I don't want to put in effort
uneven mason
Mechanics my experience with DH tanks has been they're made from paper and can't hold aggro.
but I mean, they got some util
novel comet
20 ilvl difference. Healers say "man! your pally is so much easier to heal than your warrior!
uneven mason
Must be bad at the warrior
quaint kiln
I'm way better at DH/DK than warrior that's for sure
sounds like you've been playing with dumpster fire DH's
uneven mason
Pretty sure DHs just take that much damage
tribal valley
why is it so hard to tank with prot war Γ§_Γ§ ?
novel comet
Its not "hard"
quaint kiln
they also heal for 300% what prot warrior does
uneven mason
Because someone has to be the Feral druid
novel comet
its just not "as good"
uneven mason
And that Stastro
quaint kiln
well...actually infinitely more lel
uneven mason
tells me you're bad at warrior
tribal valley
healers in my guild keep telling me "you're taking way more dmg then the DK or the Pala tanks"
uneven mason
Get better at Warrior than
thin mortar
only thing I feel is truly bad on prot atm is our lack of sustain... which isn't new news
novel comet
But I appreciate your unsolicited opinion of me.
tribal valley
i'm trying Ikarikaze
quaint kiln
lol - why is Ikari bein a dick?
tribal valley
dunno
thin mortar
its all about cooldown usage
novel comet
B/C internet.
quaint kiln
People come here for advice, not to be called they're shit
novel comet
^
quaint kiln
jesus
uneven mason
Not, folks come to #protection QQ about how their warrior tank sucks
novel comet
β€ @quaint kiln
elder steppe
thoughts on a lingering sporepod?
uneven mason
But you guys didn't ask for advice
tribal valley
yeah i can see that its all about the rotation
probably im doing something wrong, any advice?
quaint kiln
There's still zero value in telling someone they're bad
novel comet
I certainly didn't ask for your opinion on my off-spec skill.
All good. I know where the ignore button is.
uneven mason
You're just QQing about how you get rolled on your Warriors, while lauding the other tanks you play π€ If you want advice on how to Prot properly, try phrasing it as a question "Hey, how do I do as well on my warrior as I do on my DK/VDH/Paladurn"
thin mortar
best advise I can give would be to know how your pull is going to happen before it happens. like what CDs you plan on using and when. it normally takes a few times of doing it to realize when they are needed
uneven mason
What fatcamp said is like, The golden key to playing Prot
tribal valley
i'm not QQ u dickface, i'm asking for help
stark sage
common mistakes are poor block usage and poor rage management @tribal valley
uneven mason
Being proactive 100% is what we're about.
elder steppe
anyone have anythingg good on Lingering Sporepod? just got a 380 wondering if its healing is good
lusty grotto
it's meh
novel comet
Here's an actual question.....
Archive of the Titans x2 or
DC + BFI pieces?
lusty grotto
but its decent str
uneven mason
Always need 1 DC piece
tribal valley
@stark sage how do i know when its best to use what?
elder steppe
was using a 360 syringe before
sand egret
DC kinda trumps a lot
lusty grotto
use it just for the static str @elder steppe
elder steppe
i thought so
uneven mason
DC is the only piece that will beat Item lvel
sand egret
^
novel comet
The DC piece is my chest. So that means only variable is shoulders. AOTT or BFI.
quaint kiln
inB4 they break the AM build in next patch
uneven mason
equal Ivl?
novel comet
340 DC vs 355 AOTT
stark sage
well you want block up for every blockable mechanic, and then general uptime after that, you can bank a charge during low damage phases to have better uptime when in danger, don't overlap block with last stand @tribal valley
sand egret
DC I'd say
sand egret
in that 1 : 1 yeah, it's definitely DC
uneven mason
use the highest ilvl between the other slots
novel comet
Im looking @ 10 different items in game
sand egret
oh then then 350
uneven mason
BFI > IF > whatever else
quartz coyote
does DC trump 30-40 ilvls?
uneven mason
yes
lusty grotto
just so you understand the value of DC.... Demo Shout
novel comet
^ I do.
Trying to see if I can switch a higher ilvl Arms piece I have
my DC chest is only 340.
uneven mason
Pretty sure we've established that its like 60item levels to beat DC in the end
in situations where it matters
since DS is a universal damage reduction
lusty grotto
^
sand egret
^
uneven mason
increasing its uptime is just going to flat out beat any amount of armor/str/sta
sick sentinel
π€
uneven mason
Until you reach a point where you're getting so much additional stam/str/armor that you meet its avg 8% DR
lusty grotto
bootybootybootybooty everywhere
sick sentinel
so its really good to have both damage reduction and damage buff
tribal valley
@stark sage is there a way to see if a boss' mechanic is bloackable?
uneven mason
There is a list in the pins Valoroth
novel comet
Thx for the tips guys.
sick sentinel
There is a list.
tribal valley
Thx Ikarikaze
stark sage
pins yeah
sick sentinel
sand egret
yeah the pinned list is really solid
candid cove
Wasted a coin for those shoulders on the world boss. feels good.
novel comet
There a reliable Pawn string for prot?
uneven mason
Can't sim defensively
graceful mason
uneven mason
On stats we follow the priority Ilvl > haste > vers >= mastery > crit for defensive
uneven mason
armor comes with ilvl
novel comet
k.
Last question....
Struggling to get a good 2nd trinket. Got Blockades as my main
wild atlas
I havenβt used a blockades yet. Fathoms is king
novel comet
other options Fathoms, 360 Gladiator Emblem, 345 Syringe, 365 butcher's block, 370 Glad Medallion
frosty wedge
nop
novel comet
271 STR w/ 827 Vers on use.
uneven mason
I'd use that one
lusty grotto
yeah i agree with Ikarikaze
novel comet
and Blockades? or Fathoms?
frosty wedge
blockades
novel comet
b/c the dude up ahead said its king?
lusty grotto
i mean rofl
novel comet
i was like "uh ok"
wild atlas
Parses
lusty grotto
fathoms is a dps trinket
wild atlas
Iβm only up for parses man
novel comet
I just dont know Prot well.
novel comet
Done. TY
lusty grotto
no reason to use fathoms
wild atlas
More damage π€·πΌββοΈ
I mean it hasnβt let me down at 98% across the board lol.
wild atlas
Currently using Syringe and Fathoms.
lusty grotto
why would he use fathoms over that
wild atlas
Butchers might do well too
wild atlas
Fathoms sims stupid high.
novel comet
My arms sims came out with Fathoms + 370 Razdunks beating all my other combos
wild atlas
For all tanks. Prior to high M+ trunks
novel comet
Not having issues with aggro really.
lusty grotto
blockades + glad defensively
lusty grotto
the rest is up to you, you have options for dps
wild atlas
Yea. I mean since Warrior canβt sim, I use Prot Paladin as a loose reference. Obviously not the same weights exactly, but itβs a similar style
So you can use bloodmallet for trinkets and see relative comparisons
lusty grotto
it should be roughly the same for our dps specs
wild atlas
Right now Iβve got a 385 Syringe and Fathoms and itβs doing cray damage
wild atlas
Yea and hit those burst windows
wild atlas
Jes Howler, Glad Medallion and there is another vers on use trinket. Those are very solid in your rotation
Providing that vers for DPS and surv
lusty grotto
still waiting for a rezan and jes π¦
wild atlas
Always a plus
My buddy has like top parse for every heroic fight, Bowlby. He does insane damage, using Rezans, Fathoms and Disc from Uldir
Would love a Rezan
strong hill
Good bye 340 shoulders. Hello 355βs with dc π
modern pulsar
so i have 340 tank chest with all BiS traits, just got 370 with "worst" traits reinforced plating, blood siphon.....i don't even know what to do here
earnest zinc
Is the 340 the source of DC?
strong hill
Guessing yes on this one π€
modern pulsar
340 has tclap buff, lifespeed, and impassive visage
modern pulsar
30 ilvls though is a huge bump though
sand egret
so is DC uptime π
lusty grotto
DC is > 30 ilvls
vagrant cape
DC is > 45 ilvls
wild atlas
DC is pretty insane
sick sentinel
Dang. 45? That is insane
lusty grotto
in case you don't understand why DC is valuable... it allows you to maintain Demo Shout up more
past ledge
please god give me an azerite gear with BIS traits in my weekly chest...please!
vagrant cape
it doesn't
lusty grotto
more than 45 probably
vagrant cape
@lusty grotto it doesn't let you cast it more, it lets you keep it up longer
wild atlas
Dc is king Offensively, defensively. Hell even on special teams
vagrant cape
Anger management is what lets us cast it more
lusty grotto
sorry, middle of work, yes
dense flame
wondering how much vers you all are sitting at
knotty ermine
If you go into M+ without DC, regardless of ilevel, you're doing it wrong. In Raiding I'm sure a point exists that you could theoretically drop DC, but that point doesn't realistically exist in m+
lusty grotto
doesn't matter @dense flame
vagrant cape
@dense flame y'all*
strong hill
@dense flame 3% versi.
wild atlas
If you use avatar, demo in a lust window, with DC on a piece. You have a very good chance of being able to use DS again after itβs expired lol. No lapse
sick sentinel
@vagrant cape are you a southerner? My people!
zinc mauve
8% vers, 4% dmg reduction
vagrant cape
I was born in kentucky
sick sentinel
π
dense flame
sorry didn't use proper spelling >.< thanks
zinc mauve
if i use my trinket, 19.8 & 9.9%
vagrant cape
Louisville, Kentucky, to be precise. I like to use y'all mostly because it's a gender-neutral way of addressing the plural you and "you all" is cumbersome
dense flame
just wondering where I sit
vagrant cape
6.7% vers, 3.35% dr
zinc mauve
what ilvl are you all?
neon tangle
I am 360
zinc mauve
im at 362
vagrant cape
367.9
knotty ermine
366
zinc mauve
im currently still stuck with a 345 shield though
neon tangle
I too am stuck w/ a 345 shield
vagrant cape
mine's 20 ilvls lower than my equipped average
zinc mauve
4 times ive been screwed and missed getting a shield from vectis
vagrant cape
this is my week for the vector deflector, I'm feeling it
zinc mauve
2 times someone else rerolled and got it but couldnt trade it to me cause rerolled lmao
neon tangle
rip
zinc mauve
the other 2 times it was their highest so they couldnt trade it anyway
knotty ermine
9.8% vers @366
past ledge
ive been disregarding stats to IL on all items btw
vagrant cape
Does anyone know if the faithless conscripts in temple of sethraliss bolster/get bolstered??
They don't leave sanguine, but they applied necrotic
so I have no clue how they work
zinc mauve
you mean the shitty ads during the orb part?
vagrant cape
yeah
past ledge
is it a good week next week for prot warris?
vagrant cape
I got a waycrest for my key, so I'm pugging all week it seems
past ledge
m+ i mean
zinc mauve
skittish is pretty easy for us
lusty grotto
skittish is np at all
vagrant cape
what affixes are next week? or are you EU and you're referring to NA's current affixes?
lusty grotto
bolster + infected is only bad if you have brain dead dps
this week affixes aren't that hard
vagrant cape
do the spawns of ghuun bolster allies?
knotty ermine
zinc mauve
bolstering and fortified make the trash packs pretty deadly though
lusty grotto
no
but they get bolstered
they don't bolster when they die, but bolstering affects them
past ledge
Fort Bols and skittish hmm
lusty grotto
iirc
vagrant cape
ty for the heads up
lusty grotto
depends if they changed shit from beta
knotty ermine
can't change shit from the beta when you're still in the beta
dense flame
so between blockades/fathom/vial of animated blood (370)/Rezans (370)/ for m+ what would be your opinon. I was thinking blockades/rezans
lusty grotto
blockades/rezan
knotty ermine
Depends. I'd roll with rezan's/fathoms for pumping out the deeps bb (tyrranical specifically) but otherwise I would use blockades/Rezans
wild atlas
Agreed
dense flame
fsho thanks for the input.
wild atlas
Vial falls a little short on that list
lusty grotto
yep
wild atlas
Than The others
knotty ermine
Hold onto vial if/when you feel like pvp'ing (as arms or prot) otherwise yeah it's gonna fall short of the others listed.
wild atlas
If thereβs one thing Iβve learned so far in BFA, is that everything is fair game for tuning. So hang onto gear thatβs close to your current setup.
I was soooo pumped about Merekthas Fang I got - 355 with socket. Then next day literally got slammed to the ground. Now itβs mid pack lol.
lusty grotto
@vagrant cape looks like they aren't affected by bolstering anymore
sand egret
bout to head home and check out my cache....send your prayers ya'll!
sick sentinel
now that my gears so pimp
prolly swap my blockades for fathoms alongside jes howler for mythic+
Fuck fam
I'm trying to main switch to monk and then this happens
knotty ermine
grats bb
solid mist
now you just gotta grind out <checks notes> infinity more AP to unlock those traits
obtuse venture
just a heads up theres a 355 shoulder piece with DC for the weekly conquest cap
sick sentinel
also one off the world boss.
fml im like 3 weeks behind current week for conquest points lel
dark junco
Is there a dc av shoulder?
I know 370 from Doomhowl is bfi av iirc, no?
You know the buff thatβd be awesome? Tclap not on gcd
Avatar Thor Here we Go
carmine bison
is the champion of azeroth trait any good.. from the rep helm?
obtuse venture
nope
dull ibex
should i drop my blockades for a dps trink if i already have a semi-good defensive trink
370 syringe / 370 bandages or with blockades
astral crystal
neck 33 jesus
solid mist
lol next xpac will be out when you finally unlock that trait
earnest zinc
We have early access though
lusty grotto
Bandages is meh @dull ibex
thorny pumice
anyone know if retaliatory fury is any good? i don't see it on any of the guides
long light
fathom still bis?
stark sage
blockades is better
sick sentinel
fathom is good for damage gives nothing for survival
rich robin
I had to bonus roll them, but at least they dropped
glossy bramble
@lucid kelp azerite gear cant forge ever
lucid kelp
Oh I see
static pilot
does anyone know of a way to fix the orb bug in Temple of sethrallis?
zinc mauve
there is no way to fix it if it glitches into the ground
static pilot
just had to brick a very promising +10 run because the orb despawned - ticket response time is six hours
zinc mauve
someone has told me to try glitching the camera into the ground to grab it, but i had no luck with that
static pilot
tried that, no luck π
zinc mauve
yeah you got screwed then
gms wont give you anything despite the fact its a known bug, it doesnt hurt to try with a ticket though
static pilot
made one, but their response time is too slow to actually fix anything so I'm guessing I'll get the customary pat on the head and a "better luck next time champ"
static pilot
not gonna lie, the fact that that bug is still in the game and they havent implemented a workaround makes my blood boil
yeah, a temple 9
with the very real risk that the same bug will happen again
no way in hell am I ever running a temple again until I see a bug fix report for that thing
it's just mindbogglingly stupid design
just implement a timer that the orb respawns if it's been inactive for 30/60 sec
zinc mauve
thats too intelligent
static pilot
put in a lever you pull to drop an orb onto the dais from the ceiling
LEAVE THE GODDAMN DOOR OPEN
zinc mauve
theres also an exploit in shrine of the storms that allows you to cheese Lord Stormsong fight that still hasnt been fixed
static pilot
plenty of time for your bug hunters to figure out how its happening and fix it
every time I'm getting a temple key now I'll make a ticket to have them spawn a different key
it's petty but so is how they're handling the orb bug so fuck them
zinc mauve
cant you delete your key and then run another dungeon to get another one?
im not sure if that works
static pilot
I've heard that but I've avoided doing it so far - in legion you couldnt "avoid" dungeons by destroying keys, I'm pretty sure it's not intended behavior
then again, why the fuck should I behave honorably when Blizz seems to delight in bending me over a barrel and fucking me
sorry for the language, but that bug does my head in - I googled it to see if there was a workaround and found bug reports from MAY explaining the issue
I dont normally buy into the "beta for Azeroth" memes but leaving that bug in without implementing a workaround is pure, sheer, 100% incompetency
inland mesa
385 DC azerite piece, let's go bois. Someone said there's a blue post on mmo saying they're nerfing it, but I'm assuming it's my guild screwing with me, right?
static pilot
DC perfectly matches the profile for azerite traits Blizzard are actively nerfing (it makes getting almost any azerite ilevel item upgrade that does not have DC an effective item downgrade) atm BUT prot warrior is currently in a very bad place and DC is one of the few things propping us up so there's a decent chance (and a crapton of hope) that they won't nerf DC until 8.1 rolls around and the prot rework saves the class
having said that, there is a possibility that blizz feels that the recent armor/HP buff has improved us enough that DC can go on the chopping block
raven kernel
Nah they'll only nerf dc when they release their prot rework
inland mesa
Let's me use my 385 shoulders too, so now two 385 pieces one with DC on the helm
brave jetty
there's absolutely no reason to feel comfortable that they won't nerf DC before giving us an adequate rework or changes to offset the power loss
they most definitely can
just because we've inferred that they're sparing it because they're aware of where we are at balance-wise doesn't mean that's gonna always hold true
static pilot
I'm with BatShark on this one - Ion has repeatedly said that one of the problems with azerite gear is that some traits are wildly more powerful than others and they think equalizing trait value solves many complaints. DC is miles and miles ahead of any other prot trait, its a huge lightning rod atm
but I also think they're aware of Prot's current meme status and know that any patch notes that (even slightly) nerf prot warriors will be another nail in the coffin
brave jetty
it'd certainly be nice if they were that deliberate and thoughtful with their approach
but like, you certainly can't EXPECT that lol
lusty grotto
we have 0 utility
there's 0 reason they will nerf DC
due to us not having utility
static pilot
DC doesnt give us utility?
brave jetty
The reason they would nerf DC is because it's a massive outlier in terms of power level
brave jetty
And they've directly stated it is their intent to hammer down the big outlier traits
lusty grotto
duh
we have to bring something to the table
if we don't bring utility, we bring dps
static pilot
the way I see it the amazing synergy DC has was completely unintended
it was designed by an intern-level designer that didnt know about the talent rebuilds
lusty grotto
the only way DC will get nerfed is a complete rework of talents
static pilot
I really, really hope you're right
lusty grotto
that's basically the only reason
and that's not out of the table either
if they plan on keeping talents the same, DC shouldn't suffer
static pilot
but I've been playing this game long enough that I would be not even remotely surprised to see MMO Champ's patch notes tomorrow saying that DC now extends DS by .5 seconds (down from 2 seconds)
lusty grotto
though this is blizzard after all...
static pilot
it's absolutely in the danger zone
brave jetty
It's not doomsaying, it's a completely obvious place to go given how they've said they want to deal with traits that are outliers in terms of power level, and DC is far and away our biggest example of that
static pilot
I'm not doomsaying, I'm saying there's a real possibility the trait wont last till 8.1. Blizz has stated they're aggressively nerfing overperforming azerite traits. DC is objectively a wildly overperforming azerite trait compared to other prot traits
brave jetty
It's just we're in the unfortunate position of relying on it to prop up our struggling spec
static pilot
I believe the only reason it wasnt nerfed in the first wave is that its the only thing propping up prot warrior's DPS and mitigation
lusty grotto
they nerfed traits that stack
static pilot
if Blizz feels the trait is so problematic that it outweighs the positive benefits for prot then they'll nerf it into the ground
brave jetty
So them nerfing it would be utterly consistent with their stated goals on traits
lusty grotto
DC stacks, but is completely negligible in stacking
brave jetty
They did not say it was their express goal to nerf traits that stack
lusty grotto
of course they didn't
brave jetty
They said they wanted to nerf big outlier cases
woeful reef
Honestly, DC has to be the single biggest trait that was out of line of all classes. I cant think of a class that has one that is more important. The fact that it didnt get changed yet makes me a gree with Nim that they are waiting for whatever fixes are coming before making any changes to it.
brave jetty
DC is an outlier case in power level, unquestionably
lusty grotto
but go and check which traits for which classes were nerfed
and check if they were stackable
static pilot
the fact that it doesn't stack isn't the issue
brave jetty
It doesn't really matter if it stacks or not
lusty grotto
the only reason DC is even relevant is due to how Demo shout is so strong defensively
(and offensively sure)
static pilot
the fact that prot warriors have 370-380 azerite gear but choose to use their 340 because of a trait is the issue
brave jetty
It matters if it's an outlier in terms of impact/performance
static pilot
specifically because they've said that Azerite pieces are meant to be an upgrade and if people are using gear that's 30-40 ilevels below what they have available because of a trait, that trait is overpowered
brave jetty
Since, broken record here, their explicit claim was addressing those extreme power cases in azerite traits
static pilot
here's a quote from the AMA:
lusty grotto
if they buff defensives in a way where we are not reliant on demo shout, dc won't actually be that strong
brave jetty
not that they wanted to fuck with stuff that stacks
lusty grotto
all i've seen after the AMA is buffs to other traits for the most part
you guys are in panic mode over nothing
brave jetty
What panic mode?
static pilot
DC takes an 8-sec duration cooldown and makes it a 30-40 sec duration cooldown
brave jetty
I just said it doesn't follow that DC is safe
static pilot
I cant imagine that won't be incredibly valuable no matter what they do to our baseline mitigation
lusty grotto
uh huh
and nerfing DC would mean nerfing our survivability
you really think they would do that?
static pilot
ah, here's the quote: "Where all of this breaks down is when both of the traits on your 370 piece are significantly worse than the ones on your 340 piece. Reducing the number of situations in which that is the case is one of the system teamβs top priorities right now. We made hundreds of unique traits for BfA, and 216 spec-specific traits for the outer ring alone. Many of those are undertuned. A handful are overly powerful, to the point that they stomp out the entire decision space for a spec, and the game becomes about getting a piece with one specific trait. Weβll be fixing the outliers on both ends (probably buffing dozens of weaker traits and nerfing a handful of too-strong ones)."
lusty grotto
right now?
woeful reef
What I think will happen eventally is they will change the duration it extends to 1s so that you gain some extra time but can't maintain it the entire time of avatar. They wont do that now though, not until our changes go through.
static pilot
that's what I expect as well Nimec, either 1 sec or .5 sec
either way it's still a valuable trait but not dramatically out of line with the other ones
I just really, truly hope that they delay it until they release the "reworked" prot warrior
brave jetty
I think they've shown enough to demonstrate that they're holding off a bit, but for all we know the buffs don't come close to compensating and then they nerf it and we're still in bad shape
lusty grotto
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brave jetty
We're in the spot we're in because of their shitty sense for balance, no reason to assume they'll get it right
I'd love for them to, but we've seen specs be extremely good or extremely shitty for entire expansions, I personally am not holding my breath for 8.1 as a big solution
static pilot
Does anyone remember how early Unstoppable Force was in its current iteration on the BFA beta?
brave jetty
If the PTR stuff right now is any indication that they're considering fucking with our Mastery in some way, I wonder if they're going to try to fix IP via a small Mastery rework
stone crag
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
brave jetty
like more directly making it up our IP amount, beyond the AP -> IP conversion we get out of it
That direction would have the added effect, or at least I can see the logic there, of shifting our defensive strength away from being very block oriented, since that's a problematic defensive niche
static pilot
shifting mitigation value from block to IP would make the class less daunting to new people
atm you basically need prior knowledge to know if something is blockable or not
brave jetty
I also suspect they don't want to give us potentially 100% SB uptime right now
static pilot
so many attacks break the general block/not block rule
stone crag
that was part of the fun though
brave jetty
so I don't know if that's how they'll fix it, they might just reduce the need for full uptime in the first place
static pilot
worked fine in Legion (although it required Heavy Repercussions)
static pilot
which just goes to show its not necessarily broken
you had the option to get it, and chose not to
because reducing mitigation cd time was more attractive than filling in that 30-40% block gap
static pilot
you can't argue that 100% sb uptime would be broken when it was 100% attainable two months ago and it was considered suboptimal π
lusty grotto
everything has changed from content to gameplay
we didn't have blocking upgrades in legion
you might recall, we had the same shield for the entire expansion
with minimal stat upgrades in between
perhaps that would shine some light into why HR wasn't really that important
static pilot
aspect of the bastions was a minimal stat upgrade?
lusty grotto
or that piece of shit bad leggo legs
static pilot
+6% block value is hardly insigificant
static pilot
I was sitting at 44% damage blocked, others went higher than that
lusty grotto
they were for SR i know
stone crag
that was cap, 44%/88% crit
lusty grotto
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stone crag
yes
sick sentinel
Ehm.
waxen cradle
So how does the little hotfix feel does it feel like it is making any difference, or has anyone tried the change out
stone crag
i highly doubt anyone would notice a 1.5% difference
chrome falcon
Basically you can pretend one of your armour pieces went up 10 ilvls
heady citrus
is it ever right to take Ilvl upgrade over not having deafening crash? for azerite
sick sentinel
north salmon
dark junco
Hey whats the best piece overall to get dc on ?
Tried to see if there was a dc/av one, but couldn't find any
fringe marten
How good is that gilded Loa figurine that is available today?
rustic python
So no Uldir gear ahs Deafening Crash?
fringe marten
nope
rustic python
should I take a 30 ilvl upgrade if it means losing it?
fringe marten
you are married to a 340 item until you get a lottery winning pull from your cache~ good game.
rustic python
it's that good huh
fringe marten
20% damage reduction..during avatar it's basically a perma debuff, you can put it back up shortly after it drops. It it extends a normal Demo shout to 8 to 10 seconds. from 6. 30 ilevels..even on a shoulder piece (major piece of armor) just doesn't provide that kind of benefit. Especially in M+ when bursty /short survivability is in more demand.
What is this 'little hotfix' anyone is talking about?
oh I see.
rustic python
yea plus the damage window
extends too
deafening is so god tier
but man.. 30 ilvl
gonna check it out.. see how it plays out in my parse
fringe marten
Yeah I actually hate it because it's too good, it's forcing me to use 'old' gear. feels pretty stupid.
frigid blaze
H zul. Can we taunt at 2 stacks or does it have to be 3?
lucid kelp
is the mythrax trinket worth using at any particular ilevel? like a 385 or someting? (over a blockades or a 355 clock)
you can taunt at 2 if you have Bops.
otherwise you wont get back before the third stack
frigid blaze
Meh only have 1
rustic python
because blockade uses haste.. I think its bis
frigid blaze
gotcha, thanks.
fringe marten
But seriously, this Loa Doll trinket, even at 325 it seems way too good. anyone tested proc rate/s?
rustic python
I'm using a 370 veiled eye but its also pretty garbo
fringe marten
There's a world quest in nazmir, if you're alliance...that should yield a trinket called the Gilded Loa Figurine. it seems really good for it's ilevel.
But the trinket itself doesn't have mainstat so that'll likely make it trash.
old night
pine totem
man why is prot warrior so op now π©
hot locust
I'm really feeling those buffs this week π
dark lark
haHAA
twin eagle
ahoy lads, I've got a 370 Lion's strength, 355 Xalziax's Veiled Eye and blockades. Which pairing offers best survability?
olive dagger
hey guys any recommendation for myth+ talents this week?
open bluff
there's only one talent build for everything, more or less
weary notch
omg I have 2muchhelf plz nrf
neon tangle
so I know the icy veins guide says 300+ haste
But would you do archive or callous reprisal?
for m+
knotty apex
callous probably better even with fortified
amber siren
360 and then socket with haste obv
lusty grotto
yeah was thinking that
more armor and more str though
and more haste
nah i think ill use the 365s
vagrant cape
95, 95, 96, 94, 94, 95 on my parses for tonight from taloc to zul. kisses fingers loudly like stereotypical Italian chefs do when they finish a great dish
lusty grotto
nice
digital arrow
Byron to the rescue
vagrant cape
yeah, actually, we didn't have a backup as far as I knew
digital arrow
I'm currently joining a group as a back up.. how often to u get picked up to tank?
vagrant cape
the best part is that the mythic co-tank to our DK is also a prot warrior
and I parsed like 5% higher on every fight
digital arrow
Prot Brorrior
vagrant cape
but he didn't have a reorigination array piece until tonight when he got it off zul
this was the first time I tanked heroic. I only got to because of the three people above me on the totem pole, only 1 showed up
so it was prot warrior buds
it was fun
I was terrified for zul bleed, but it's not so bad when you have coccoon, sac, ironbark, and tranquility
blissful imp
I haven't tanked Mother since the first week. Gonna have to just send everyone through at once so I can improve my parae there
viral pollen
crystal night
tiny sphinx
more like disgusting to tank
i feel icky just being in the same instance as that thing
sick sentinel
Guys. I want to weep. I got the mother lode shield just now out of a 9. It rolled up once.
modern brook
98% allilvl'd normal mother π
sick sentinel
It replaced a 340. I donβt know what to do. I was legit so happy
vagrant cape
so I found an inconsistency between the icyveins guide on bosses and the blockable spell list in the pins
"Use Heroic Leap Icon Heroic Leap to soak far away Plague Bomb Icon Plague Bombs. Additionally, you can block the Plague Bombs as long as you are facing the position of the boss."
is from the icyevins boss guide
but the blockable spell list says plague bomb is neither blockable nor reflectable
lusty grotto
you should ask @shut summit
he made the blockable list, unsure on who did the icyveins boss guide though
wild bolt
Gear compare questions ok in here or is there a more appropriate forum for them?
vagrant cape
go for it, but we really just go by the guides in the pins for our reasoning
wild bolt
Ugh. I think I know the answer then. I just don't like it... π¦
vagrant cape
well now you've piqued my curiosity
wild bolt
lol
wild bolt
I have your attention?
vagrant cape
infinity, tobit. I'm not joking around
sick sentinel
No Iβm saying thatβs his dilemma
vagrant cape
oh
wild bolt
970 Gridrunner Galea vs 985 Soulspun Casque?
wild bolt
No, it's an Uldir helm so it's my Archive of the Titans source.
vagrant cape
what does the casque have?
wild bolt
Frickin' Bloodsport.
vagrant cape
if you're in uldir, the 375 haste is far better than the 15 ilvls
wild bolt
Is it? Ok good.
vagrant cape
otherwise bloodsport it up
wild bolt
Ugh.
sick sentinel
Rofl