U can't reflect it
#protection
brazen sequoia
Yea twice I got killed because two fucking demonhunters decided to stack on top of me with the debuff thing
signal plover
Imminent ruin?
brazen sequoia
ye
signal plover
Yeah they need to get that out of raid not to the tanks
brazen sequoia
I know.. as far away as possible
signal plover
Right
Essence shear doesn't rly hit hard tbh
He melees harder
The raidwide dmg from ppl being bumped outta orbs hits hard tho
And it usually comes before shear
Either way, SR for shear
brazen sequoia
ah ok might be that then. the group decided to have like 10 melee and 2 ranged, so..
marble pelican
so I haven't done kings rest or SoB, which is tougher? i'll do them mythic first to learn the dungeon the do keys
lavish oracle
King's Rest is definitely tougher
marble pelican
ok, I need to do them, I just haven't I figured with ilvl 357 shouldn't be too bad. and I didn't want to jump in on a keystone without doing the fights atleast 1 time
sick sentinel
@uneven mason you can mouse over macro charge to a party member. Even point blank melee range.
Plenty of easy rage always.
Can even enter trash/bosses at 90+ rage if you do it right/downtime along with spamming tclap.
steep dawn
How do warrior tanks compare to bears and pallies atm?
sand egret
infinitely more shields than bears, way more angry than pallies.
wild atlas
Paladins have a much better toolkit. Probably best with DK and VDH
Ehhh let’s just stick with DK and Paladin. Outside of VDH chains, it’s pretty much same as warrior and bear
Honestly though, it’s been mentioned about 28363782636373 times now, but I need to post another PSA. Try all tanks. Like have every tank alt and just keep up with them. This game changes on a patch to patch basis (sometimes hotfix to hotfix), so it’s good to always have something in your back pocket. Every tank class brings something unique that others don’t have. Some good mobility, some high damage, some have fun toolkit’s like speed boosts and pulls. Literally try all of the tanks. There will always be a flavor of the patch but it won’t stop you from reaching a goal if you can master that class
midnight ferry
got cloak with socket and leech 👌
grim prism
@steep dawn better than bears, not better than pallies
lusty grotto
ohno
grim prism
@neon tangle that actually gives me less confidence than I had before that we'll see changes by 8.1 lol
lusty grotto
🤷
neon tangle
@grim prism Gotta keep positive, yo
It's certainly better than the radio silence we had previously
daring patrol
this is a small indie company we're talking about here, can't expect them to keep on top of things like this
little rain
Has anyone tested Terrible Thrash on Fetid to check if avoidance mitigates that at all?
static pilot
I haven't, but it would surprise me if it's classified as an aoe effect
grim prism
If it were an AoE it wouldnt be blockable
It's a targeted spell that hits the MT and the next nearest player
lavish oracle
Not saying anything specifically is coming but I know the team has been looking into mechanical issues with class rotations and functionality that have been raised and this is a current goal within 8.1
I actually hope they don't touch the rotation that much
I like how prot warrior plays, I'd just like it to feel a little more rewarding
(and maybe take IP off the GCD)
broken kite
Inb4 prot gets worse with 8.1
lusty grotto
if they think prot problems have something to do with a "rotation" they are smoking some crack
big rocks
little rain
Mayb they will do the right thing and take IP off the GCD pepehands
final mist
As soon as they do the same for LotP and FR
digital arrow
i like applying ip on my next gcd, along with revenge
i just want more padding thats all
steep river
anyone have a list of the Azerite Pieces we want to shoot for?
lusty grotto
damn it i was gonna type that Sal
@steep river 
icyveins guide
there's a list there
iirc
steep river
cool ty
quaint kiln
You can’t really spam LOTP or FR. So I don’t see how they’re compared to IP. But I also have no problem with them not being on GCD also...
lusty grotto
hmm
i mean there's absolutely no reason for them to be in the gcd
and somehow blizzard considers them similar to IP
let's say they think of it as a "healing ability" or some bs
not tied to damage
uneven mason
Its just our 2nd mitigation tool, as FR is theirs
I mean, each tank works differently, its just that protections mitigation set is 100% proactive, while other tanks is a varying amount of reactive/proactive.
Which is a portion of why we're so hardly punished for making a mistake - we don't have a recovery set, we have to stay ahead of the damage, so if we've taken the damage, whelp - nothing to do but burdon your healers.
woven orchid
Prot sucks just play blood or vengeance
uneven mason
Ok
I mean, I've come to the conclusion that everyone who says that, is just bad at prot
"ugh this spec can't be played by a half blind fingerless chimp, IT SUCKS, I'ma re roll BrM and flipperhand my way to sucsess"
fair root
This biggest issue with prot is the mindset people have about it. I have trouble finding +6 groups as a 368ilevel prot warrior because they want dk or monk tanks.
uneven mason
I wasn't having any trouble with getting pugs
until they made that Bluepost
about Prot needing love
and then everyone went full REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
neon tangle
Same here :/
pine totem
my healer friend makes me tank on my dk now for M+ who is 20 ilvls lower 😦
uneven mason
Shitty friend
pine totem
cus of that blue post
hearty crater
yea shitty friend indeed
sick sentinel
Man “full REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE” is so accurate
uneven mason
"Blue man sed Prot need lub, PROT IS BAD O NOES, I TOT PROT WUS GUD! REEEEEEEEEEE NO PROT!"
sick sentinel
LMAO
lusty grotto
i blame reddit mroe
uneven mason
literally had a healer who had been healing me through runs for the previous 2 weeks ask me to change to another tank
hearty crater
Prot isn't as bad as a lot of people put out there, we do require a higher skill level of playing compared to other tanks tho.. Sense has prove this
lusty grotto
that stupid reddit post really fucked us
uneven mason
Because he was like "I don't want people to leave the key incase you die"
pine totem
prot isnt bad but dh and dk are LEAGUES better in dungeons
uneven mason
Has nothing todo with our tankyness though
it has 100% to do with deathgrip and ranged silence
pine totem
and self sustain 😦
pine totem
healer being able to dps isnt meaningless
uneven mason
DK takes 100 damage, heals 35 of it back, I take 50 damage, who is better off?
woven orchid
Dying on blood is impossible unless you fat finger death strike at the wrong time
uneven mason
Literally after counting self sustain warriors till require less healing when played properly
pine totem
l o l
uneven mason
If you don't know that you're not playing prot correctly
Its all about utility
which Grips, and ranged silences are just better than our AP buff and AE stun
That is what allows for faster runs
hearty crater
yea our 20% snare is really lame
subtle fable
no
young harbor
make tc great again
subtle fable
blood dk sustain allows for mogo huge pulls
that will kill a warrior
pull a billion mobs with bonestorm and everybody burst AEs
pine totem
bonestorm is so god tier :\
subtle fable
I don't believe we can survive that, while they can
neon tangle
Tomorrow?
woven orchid
😅 😅
neon tangle
I imagine we are in a weird place for them to balance right now
uneven mason
Wouldn't solve any of our issues
neon tangle
In raids we do take less damage
uneven mason
another 4% EHP wuwuwu
neon tangle
Flat buffs to our EHP will only make that worse
crude summit
is that vanguard buff even that good?
uneven mason
no
neon tangle
It’s 5% EHP
uneven mason
its basically a feint
neon tangle
That’s not bad
uneven mason
I mean, its not bad but it addresses literally zero issueswe have
static pilot
there's a pin detailing the effect of the buffs
uneven mason
Like my health and armor was the least of my concerns
static pilot
~3.7% HP increase
~1.45% armor buff
keen spire
I am excited to see what changes they make to prot, honestly
keen spire
I love prot so much - I tried to reroll to another tank, and I just.. couldn't help but feel like the other tanks weren't real tanks
I mean.. our charges and leaps and shields
like
we're fucking TANKS bro
crude summit
looks like blood dk tank first over my warrior then 😦
uneven mason
the vanguard buff aura tune is basically ah uh "Oh yeah we said we were going to help protection warriors, lets do something that anyone who passed jr high math class will see is basically a olive branch covered in dogturd"
keen spire
Blood DK, to me, is more boring than guardian druid. I can't stand them
lol
but that's just me
I know everyone else and their mother loves playing the damn thing
hahaha
crude summit
was hoping they would have said what our new mastery was gonna be by now
crude summit
crit block is gone
uneven mason
I don't think they're changing the mastery
keen spire
Idk about that. it might be an interpretation thing
lavish oracle
That's just from the datamined PTR, Pickett, we'll know more when the PTR actually goes live
sick sentinel
well they are planning something for mastery something that is not RNG probably which is nice
keen spire
they might just be rescaling it or something - you know how those changes work sometimes in mysterious ways
woven orchid
Just make us blatantly op for a few patches
sick sentinel
but it might be like IP if they dont come up with good idea they will revert
woven orchid
We've been 2nd best for too long now Zz
sick sentinel
tbh they could make something based on crit block yet im not a class designer
static pilot
2nd best? Man, I'd kill for 2nd
lavish oracle
@woven orchid You missed it, it was at the beginning of Legion 😛
uneven mason
I don't want any FOTM bandwagon boys
lavish oracle
I was playing bear at the end of Legion, TBH
sick sentinel
prot at end of legion was insanely strong 😄
keen spire
the battle cry, IP, Shield slam spam made us fucking untouchable
sick sentinel
maybe bit too much
uneven mason
all tanks were stupid strong in legioin
keen spire
this is true
sick sentinel
yeah it is true
keen spire
Prot pally was probably in the "worst" spot
woven orchid
Lets not talk about legion...
keen spire
but even they could handle insane shit
lavish oracle
I did fine on Guardian in Legion
keen spire
guardians.. could annihilate everything. their dps output wasn't very sexy, but everything else they did was fantastic
uneven mason
Guardians were crazy strong for Mythic pushing
keen spire
their stampeding roar was fuckin crazy useful for so many things
sick sentinel
it was good in NH and ToS but with magic damage changes not so much in m+
keen spire
they could take so much damage and heal it all back, and then some with how FR worked before
uneven mason
I mean, Prot could eat 15+ scyths in HC but for mythic you never needed more than uh 4
lavish oracle
Guardians did some pretty good DPS with the right legendaries/talents
Obviously not the best dps, but not terrible
keen spire
Goddamn I miss tanking those scythes
sick sentinel
yeah well good side of prot was your damage abilities was your main rotation
keen spire
felt like such a baller
uneven mason
and guardians didn't need anything besides sleeping through keeping 1 stack IF up for 4 scyths
static pilot
scythes were pretty damn satisfying, especially when the crit block gods were in your corner
sick sentinel
so you did insane damage also if played well could do some great stuff like tanking 300m physical damage
or healing yourself all m+
even in high keys
sick sentinel
it became issue after +24s cause dk and dh was just so strong for it
crude summit
i miss tanking on my warrior during van - WOLK damn they were fun
sick sentinel
for me MoP and t20-t21 legion will be best for a long time
never had so much fun both in dungeons and raids tbh
crude summit
yeah now its your a prot warrior ewwwww
pine totem
"are you going on that character" when i make a lfd key group 😦
uneven mason
Hey guys we made this thing called "vengeance, it makes you do more damage based on the damage yo utake"
sick sentinel
changed to rogue got tired getting declined cause of my class its not bad just behind yet people dont take you cause of sco points
its a meme tank spec right now
lavish oracle
Warriors need an ad campaign
neon tangle
@sick sentinel Nobody seemed to care I was a warrior a couple of weeks ago
lavish oracle
As soon as the hotfix hits, we need to rave about how much better it is 😄
keen spire
lol for real
I think one way we can help their image is by ensuring that we help the community of prot warriors learn how to be better as a whole
Because my guildies look at me and go "goddamn, prot warriors are OP"
crude summit
thats why im like just go prot to myself its gonna take me a bit to hand lvl to 120 and fury is looking up not sure on arms
neon tangle
If you want to tank I'd wait and see what 8.1 has in store for us
lavish oracle
I think Arms is still better in 99% of situations than Fury but Fury is definitely better than it was
neon tangle
unless you got a guild to run w/
crude summit
can u still get the legion class mounts or are those gone?
uneven mason
you can still get em
neon tangle
I spent a couple hours last night getting rejected from the only keys high enough that I could actually use gear from them
it's a bummer
lavish oracle
Yeah, I don't really PUG anything higher than 6 or 7
neon tangle
My normal group wasn't around :/
spice musk
can somone look over my Tank and give me an advise what i should change first ? https://raider.io/characters/eu/aegwynn/Gluurak
neon tangle
It would be nice to have the option of pugging, I'm writing it off for now tho
lavish oracle
Honestly, the best way I found to get into higher key groups is to help them upgrade the hell out of their keys 😄
keen spire
^ that's not a bad approach
just takes forever
and can be about as fun as pulling teeth
fresh dragon
i want MASS SPELL REFLECTION in pve
keen spire
I figured
neon tangle
@lavish oracle I have had rather poor luck in that category
mostly people not knowing mechancis
lavish oracle
Ah, yeah, that's fair
keen spire
yeah, you could always just teach them
"Hey guys, we have to kill the totems at the same time - yeah, same time. No, stop dpsing the same one - we need to.. same time.. guys.. fuckin.. cries"
lavish oracle
Maybe I'm just lucky with my PUGs, they did seem unusually competent this week 🤔
woeful reef
Pretty easy affixes this week
sick sentinel
lol yikes
lucid kelp
I have an arms warrior in my guild thats upset that I outdps him on Zul
but everyone else is all "prot sucks"
neon tangle
needs more bladestorm
ember arrow
then that arms warrior is terrible at his class
amber siren
There's lots of videos on it cat, you'll be fine 👍👍
chrome falcon
warlock portal -> charge -> charge -> walk until just before you get rooted -> leap -> dunk
junior ivy
i keep getting stuck 😦
sick sentinel
Avatar break root.
uneven mason
doesn't work
sick sentinel
YIKES
midnight ferry
focus the red thing and charge with macro, mouse over them can take a few milllisecond and screw you up
jaunty void
Currently maining an Arms War for dps on guild progressive raid. Should I even bother working on Prot spec to tank when needed or should I level up my DH or DK toons to fill that role and tank on one of them instead?
unkempt fox
impossible to answer imo
amber siren
We're average rn but with 8.1 somewhere in the near future it's honestly hard to say if we'll become competitive
sick sentinel
player skill > class viability far as prot concerned.
personally, feel class is fine. Sense among others shows it works.
unkempt fox
atleast mention your progress
sick sentinel
if you're a puglife though, community just cringes at us.
so, w/e.
https://raider.io/characters/us/shadow-council/Bèthrèzèn plus played the class extensively for 14+ years.
jaunty void
Stuck at 5/8 norm. Main tank left and we lacking sufficient others to step up. Currently have a DK MT and a casual monk OT. But currently monk is pretty squishy and we feeling it. Just don’t want to step up as prot if it would better serve rolling different tank to fill the role.
sick sentinel
:I
jaunty void
I haven’t played prot since Main tanking Molten Core. Been blood Dk for last 5 years but re-rolled warrior again with BFA
unkempt fox
there are zero problematic normal/heroic bosses for protwar so you will be absolutely fine
on the other hand gearing a character for normal raiding takes a few days so you can take a shot if you want the things to go smoother or if you just dont like the prot playstyle
vagrant cape
does anyone know if galvazzt parries from the front?
midnight ferry
I found 5 warriors in top 500 timed M+ rankings, we are the 1 percent!!!
Looks like guardian druid is even worse than us in M+,
strong parcel
hey guys. when doing Tol Dagor, do i need to have a rogue, or can i just be Blacksmithing
junior ivy
bs works
amber siren
Inscription works too
frosty wedge
B's works, you just need keys
onyx vessel
Hopeful for 8.1 but still prot warrior for life
wraith hemlock
BS, rogue or an scribe works, all of them are fine for it. scribe's with scrolls and BS with keys
I can't wait to have my prot war a bit buffed
ocean lagoon
Prots problem is mostly theme I think
If you want a stable tank you just take monk for stagger
If you want mobile you go veng
I'd you want mechanic cheese, Pali, if you want a grip, dk
Prot needs a unique ability interaction besides the grossness that is spellreflect
chrome falcon
Monks design space of "never really take any damage" really steps on ours I think
steel mauve
actually they take a lot of dmg, its just smoother
astral crystal
yeah monks take assloads of dmg wtf
ember arrow
Tank is by far easiest role
ocean lagoon
Ghuun is a raid coordination and patience fight
The fight only really happens in p3
You just need to not have people be exhausted by then
And know the fight enough to get there
amber siren
Grats!
amber siren
yeah once you get the hang of the movement it's actually really fun
intense af bcs it's a wipe if you fuck it
but still fun
sick sentinel
Monks take excessive damage by their tank design. Thats how Stagger works.
oblique gate
hi
sick sentinel
whats better. mastery or versatility
plain hamlet
I know you shouldn't spend all of your defensive CDs all at once. But I find myself dying with CDs a lot, especially in M+. How do you guys know when/what CDs to use?
crystal wadi
with the regular talent setup (avatar/demo shout focus) I pretty much use demo shout on cooldown and when things get a bit more serious first go to is last stand > ignore pain as much as possible
shield wall is just a shit hits the fan/big damage inc and you're not topped up ability
plain hamlet
Is there ever a situation were stacking CDs is a good idea?
amber siren
if you're 100% going to die without doing so
but typically you've made a mistake for that to happen in the first place
or someone else haws
tight tree
Monk design is just perfect for any kind of progression, granted you have healing. Ability to delete part of staggered damage whenever we want is very powerful. Also they take mobility niche along with veng. I'd argue monk take cheese niche too for some fights, due to teleport and statue.
tiny sphinx
no df, poundsignfeelsbadman
frosty wedge
that one has dc
so no need, I literally have been sitting with a 370 DC piece and no other azerite above 340
lucid kelp
I have no DC currently and Im feeling it...but Im getting by
frosty wedge
none? 😦 not even a 340?
daring patrol
not if you're like me and obliterate hundreds of bracers weekly :(
frosty wedge
lucid kelp
I figure I'll get a 370 or a 385 one eventually
frosty wedge
sure, but atm you're just gimping yourself
lucid kelp
true
tight tree
I agree that warriors need a unique skill/skillset/quality. To make warriors attractive, they should be rock solid damage wise (one of the best if not the best), or have way more useful raid /m+ utility. I like that warriors do a lot of damage, but that is mostly AOE and mostly irrelevent in Uldir now.
lucid kelp
also I dont have any DC's to recover due to my Tmog runs
oh well
ill get one soon prolly
upbeat folio
@frosty wedge Mythic 7 helmet?
crystal wadi
Hey so how are people doing in m+ as prot? I attempted a +4 waycrest with my disc mate (both 340) and we were managing, though I was getting hit very hard by trash packs, he pretty much had to spam shadowmend on me for bigger groups. The 3 witches fight just ruined us though, he couldn't keep the group alive. Is this just a gear thing? Because I feel like we'd have substantially less trouble if I was a BDK
tiny sphinx
sounds like baddy group
ember arrow
bad healer + people not moving on the witch with the dmg aura
disc is proactive healer
if he spams shadowmend either you play poor
pr he plays poor
crystal wadi
People were moving, though the healer was taking by far the most damage out of anyone in the group because he claimed he couldn't move as much
ember arrow
i mean
thats part of learning to paly healer
or any caster
knowing when you can move
was the main witch interrupteD?
the one with iris has 100% increased dmg
crystal wadi
and usually I'll pull > demo shout > shield block > thunderclap when starting a normal (meleeing) trash pack. No gear with the deafening crash trait yet unfortunately, though I still sometimes avatar before actually pulling just because I feel like I'll need the extra GCD
crystal wadi
yeah, I usually try spell reflect first cast then interrupt rest. We had a spriest as dps though so not a huge amount of interrupts
sick sentinel
🤷
ember arrow
what is your ilvl mihail?
crystal wadi
340
sick sentinel
You shouldn't be only one on interrupts
ember arrow
maybe u were facetankign enraged mobs?
sick sentinel
Communicate a rotation
crystal wadi
mm good points on both
do you mark a focus mob for trash packs usually? And do you just heroic leap away? Waycrest is a bit tricky for that
upbeat folio
Waycrest is perfect for it.
All of the narrow hall ways make it easy to pick a route. Just make sure you are stunning before or after your leap. Think like a hunter. You'll never hear anyone say that outside of this one circumstance.
sick sentinel
I usually focus witches. Or captains on that part of the manor, cus captain strike hurts
ember arrow
i mean you should bring a class with permaslow
like a fury warr or a frost mage
especially with necrotic
sick sentinel
Hunters first if you got good ST dps on the other side of manor. Or dogs first otherwise, as they'll stack your narcotics faster
Necrotics^
crystal wadi
Alright sweet, thanks for all the advice guys
upbeat folio
don't forget to bring a towel.
old zephyr
anyone could remind me the formula for armor/block damage reduction, I can't seem to find it in the pins
ionic ridge
@old zephyr Found this: http://blog.askmrrobot.com/diminishing-returns-other-bfa-tank-formulas/
old zephyr
thx
daring marlin
carmine dust
yayyy
graceful dagger
Can someone please help me,I know Deafening Crash(DC) is best for Prot but i have Brace for Impact(BFI) on my Shoulder, so i cant decide whether i should stack BFI or go DC, also the chest piece with BFI has better azerite traits on 2nd and 3rd tier, should i take that into consideration?
old zephyr
you can't get disponted if you don't get a box /s
manic perch
lol did a +9 so plz #RNGGODS smile upon me 2moro when i get it
graceful dagger
thanks
cosmic pasture
anytime
graceful dagger
DC dosent stack?
cosmic pasture
the damage does but the Demo shout doesn't
manic perch
so people i might be tanking Taloc Mythic tonight, any tips and.or pointers im 960ilvl
sorry 360*
graceful dagger
Dont die 😂
manic perch
lol gonna try my best not to be a #badstatistic on logs 😛
cosmic pasture
other than the usual, i'd say it's a regular tank and spank. just place the Cudgel in the right place and gg
graceful dagger
mostly dps need to watchout and soak
reef fulcrum
960 ilvl shouldn't have any problems with Mythic Taloc 🌝
silk portal
960 🤔
knotty apex
why is it that every time I open reddit theres always someone complaining about prot warriors and its the same thing every single time
graceful dagger
Should i be simming Prot gear or just go Haste>Versa?
sick sentinel
because we suck and those bandaid changes dont help in anyway
manic perch
cant sim
manic perch
haste >vers>mastery i think
graceful dagger
thanks
mellow bridge
spice fox
hi guys, has anyone had any experience with the retaliatory fury trait from warfront armor?
manic perch
what is considered good uptime for shielblock?
sick sentinel
depends on boss
dark parrot
Hi folks, looking for a bit of advice if I may. Been DPS and Healed for a while and I'd like to throw my hat at tanking. Always saw it as the much tougher role and find it a bit daunting. More so when I'm not interested in fotm. So, at the min im levelling as prot. Slower yes, but as a way to get to grips with the class. When it comes to dungeons, other than the usual for all classes, are there any good tanking add-ons? I have threat plates. Also regarding boss strategy, is there anything good so I dont have to keep looking up notes? Thanks.
hexed lion
There isnt really good uptime, you just need it for the time you are taking direct phys damage
Dorrinn, use weak auras my dude
the very basic ones you can make yourself, or head on over to wag io and download things such as: Ignore pain tracker, Shield Block tracker
etc
and i find it useful to have a much larger rage bar in my direct vision so i know how much i have and so i dont cap
dark parrot
I have WA on so Ill look some up, thanks.
sick sentinel
Guys how come Xalzaix's Veiled Eye is not listed as a viable trinket in Icy-veins guide to Prot Warrior?: https://www.wowhead.com/item=160653/xalzaixs-veiled-eye&bonus=4798:1477
vocal nimbus
Because it isnt a reliable trinket
It auto activates when you fall below 40% which can happen in a situation that isn't really dangerous
Meaning that when you would really need it the effect already got used
It would become quite decent if the effect was an on-use one
Giving the wearer an extra cooldown
sick sentinel
I ran a few 4-6 M+ with it, and i can't count how many times it saved me from dying.
I think if you go below 40% you are already in trouble, no?
vocal nimbus
Not necessarily
A healer may let you get some autos in to heal another member
Before healing you up
junior igloo
It's pretty good.
Both Veiled Eye and Bandages from KR were just overlooked in the guide, they are good defensively
past ledge
@manic perch dont forget to rotate ur Def CD's when ppl are soaking with you ❤ GL!
vocal nimbus
@junior igloo
junior igloo
It is and Bandages are likely better in most situations because of it
But still better than nothing and there aren't that many defensive trinkets to compete
vocal nimbus
Also macro said when they got buffed that they are still very weak
manic perch
@past ledge thanks will do
winter aspen
Rezans eye good ?
junior igloo
Well, they are weak compared to what we were used to (end of expansion Legion trinkets)
Which is how we evaluated trinkets initially and basically just dismissed all of them
stone crag
well not really, compare something like bandages absorb to ignore pains absorb
and the respective CDs
bandages is still really bad, not comparing beginning to end of expact at all
sick sentinel
Wait, Bandages?
junior igloo
Compared to IP? Sure, it's bad.
But why are we comparing a trinket to a class ability?
Is there a trinket that lets you cast IP equivalent with no cooldown?
stone crag
just comparing the absorbs and frequency, average EHP
junior igloo
I understand.
That's exactly why all trinkets were (maybe are?) considered bad.
But if all trinkets are bad, some have to less bad
vocal nimbus
If we look at it defensively I guess these are among the best ones
sick sentinel
Ooh thanks. I will run few King's Rest to get
stone crag
blockades is still the best, bandages isn't worth aiming for
junior igloo
So what 2nd trinket would you recommend together with Blockades defensively?
stone crag
galecaller's beak
sick sentinel
Is Lion's Strength good too? It seem to start with giving 10% parry and than diminished over the course of 18 seconds?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=161474/lions-strength&bonus=5119:1492
uneven mason
its got a lot of str, but parry is RNG and doesn't impact boss mechanics, so Jes'howl, Rezan's and such will beat it out at much lower ilvls
One of the big reasons that haste or vers effects on trinkets are stong is because haste and vers do what they do 100% of the time
Haste just overall speeds up the rotaiton (thus more rage for IP etc, which cycles our major CDs faster) and vers is just DR that works on everything. (Jes'Howl is on demand vers)
sick sentinel
Is there a limit of how much Haste is too much? Like i have 1k Haste unbuffed atm, should i avoid haste trinkets? Or there is never enough Haste?
uneven mason
So if you have a 370 Lion's str its probably equal to a 340 rez or jes
No
we have no limit to haste
In theory when you hit 100% SB uptime it'll have Diminishing returns
but that is impossible
and will remain impossible this Xpac
uneven mason
its on demand
winter aspen
Cuz I got 375 vers pvp trink and 365 rezans
stone crag
there is a limit but it's not reachable @sick sentinel
junior igloo
Ok, so:
Bandages 370 reduce 50-55k damage on a 1.5 minute cooldown (so let's call it 70k every 2 minutes).
Jes' Howler 370 gives 1266-1811 versa depending on the split. That is 7.5 - 10.6 % DR. If you use it on something that's close to 1-shot (such as solo soaking on Taloc), it will reduce about 20k at the most.
It's virtually impossible to take 700k+ damage in a 12s period (which would make Jes' equal defensively).
Other similar trinkets (with secondary stat as the second effect, such as Rezan's, the PvP trinket or Lion's Strength) as at a similar level.
Of course, offensively Bandages/Veiled Eye offer nothing
ember arrow
just run into any +14 fortified pack and u take 700k in no time @junior igloo
uneven mason
55k that is gone in 1 hit (also, one shot mechanics are not our problem)
against vers that lasts for 12 seconds
damage smoothing is the goal
junior igloo
@ember arrow
So how are you not dead? 😃
ember arrow
bonestorm meiffert
sick sentinel
ember arrow
all about bonestorm
uneven mason
700k raw isn't that scary tbh
junior igloo
@uneven mason
This is the same argument... (55k is low amount)
Yes, it is. But it's more than 20k
ember arrow
or are we talking specifically about prot warr?
sick sentinel
jes is nice in mythic + avatar, jes howler and Booming Voice... i'm gonna outdps any Dh or arms
ember arrow
or the trinkets in general?
junior igloo
Why raw? Absorbs are last, obviously we are talking after reductions
uneven mason
ok, So vers is a % reductino (its considered before absorbs)
I mean I get what you're saying, it looks like the absorb is better
Its not horrible, its probably enough to save you if things go sideways
But then its gone, while the howler continues to provide its effect for the other 11 seconds.
ember arrow
effect wont save u tho
final mist
No trinket effect will have as reasonably large an impact as your play.
prisma night
What about something that does high dtps like zul bleed that lasts for most of howler duration? Howler could do work there
junior igloo
True
floral ibex
On top howler increases your IP
junior igloo
But there are better offensive trinkets.
The question is if the stat trinket (which is a bit of both) is better than going full offensive, full defensive, or even one of each.
onyx vessel
Wtb howler
onyx vessel
Yup
winter aspen
I dont see how scuffed IP trinket can top that in any way
prisma night
Howler vs bandage on zul bleed i think howler would be more beneficial. Howler would reduce each tick (reducing less dmg than bandage maybe, maybe not) but it makes it easier to heal than fully absorbing 1 tick with bandage and getting hit harder on subsequent ticks
sick sentinel
bandages are maybe close in raid, but in m+ jes is better than anything else
prisma night
Maybe my logic is flawed but its the angle of less spikiness is useful in that situation
junior igloo
So at 3 stacks on Zul my co-tank was taking 97k ticks (that's highest I could find in our logs).
So if you get full benefit of Jes' Howler for 12s = 6 ticks = 582k damage, which is pretty decent amount, but not enough
prisma night
Youd have to take 700k to make it even you said? I just briefly read what you wrote above
sick sentinel
normative ur right, but guess why every healer loves monks^^
junior igloo
Yeah, that's assuming you don't slit the motivating shout and take all the vers for yourself though 😃
prisma night
I mean thats pretty close
And id argue the smoothness of the dmg intake is worth atleast the disparity between the two
In that one case
ember arrow
@final mist the tank trinkets like, titanguard, RWC, diimas, infernal contract, jawbone. thats what we want
not shitty trinks
why cant they make such trinks
junior igloo
It is, but it's also the best scenario for Jes' I can think of and it's still a bit behind.
That being said the offensive benefit may make it worth taking over strictly defensive trinkets in many situations
ember arrow
instead of all shields that are irrelevant in the long run
i expect a shield trinket to cover a cd
not be eaten by 1 auto
prisma night
Oh yeah that was best case scenario at the very least it could be useful to swap in for that fight
ember arrow
like titanguard/the trinket from desolate host/infernal contract
sick sentinel
jes also is good vectis u can cover full debuff duration (26k every 2 seconds for 12s overall) + reducing meele from the add hitting u + meele boss
pop it when the add comes and benefit from dmg, killing it faster = less dmg, maybe u need to think it that way
prisma night
Good scenario as well but i think the dtps is just less on vectis than p2 zul
junior igloo
Well here is my problem with that:
- I can use Fathoms for massive priority damage (solid idea)
- I can use purely defensive trinket for ~ 70k absorb every 2 minutes
- I can use a hybrid trinket to get 20-25k reduced damage every 2 minutes and a little bit of dps
I am thinking that if I'm willing to sacrifice the 40-50k damage reduction for a little bit of dps, you might as well sacrifice the remaining 20k to get a lot more dps
prisma night
Fair
junior igloo
I will run some sims on a paladin on the offensive benefit
winter aspen
Fathom isnt aoe dps tho
ruby sorrel
Hey guys. Looking for some advice. I'm the spare tank in my guild and don't tank often, I mainly dps. This week I've tanked uldir heroic up to zul. Mostly.gone fine but zul p2. That physical damage dot that drops blood pools is wrecking me. So hard
Anyone have tips how to survive it ?
ember arrow
bop
manic perch
yep pally BOP or die and combat rez and become another death statistic on prot 😛
stone crag
Battle Rez is a Tank Cooldown
manic perch
in my group its a dps CD cause they cant avoid anything LOL
past ledge
man...atleast let the Azerite from warfront or Chest have DC....!
manic perch
was lucky and got the one on shoulders, sstill need a new chest rocking 340 still
junior igloo
Ok, so simmed on a paladin sadly, but should be roughly similar:
Fathoms
~ 5.4 % dps
Big Red Button
~ 4 % dps
Disc of Systematic Regression
~ 3.3 % dps
Stat Sticks (Jes', Rezan's, Lion's and similar)
~ 2.3 % dps
~ 20k damage reduction every 2 minutes
Defensive trinkets (Bandages, Veiled Eye)
~ 70k damage reduction every 2 minutes
prisma night
Thats patchwerk i imagine?
frosty wedge
Jes isn't just for you either
prisma night
Jes would do alot better compared to fathoms if it were a cleave or aoe fight
ionic ridge
Guys, would like some advices:
Blockades,
Jes Howler 345 (socket)
Rezan 355?
Disk of regression and Xalzaix
what would you choose
blissful imp
130 minutes boys
And we get our shiny new bracers that don't have strength or secondaries on them
Woo
rich robin
Just logged in and my base armor went from 55.14% to 55.92%.
nova viper
Any news on changes that will make a difference
Been away
Went to Vegas for the weekend :GWnanamiPepeEZ:
ornate sky
none
nova viper
Sad but expected
blissful imp
@nova viper the change, at least for me, is the equivalent of getting an extra gear slot for a phantom bracer that doesn't have strength or secondary stats on it
Its a buff, and numberwise can look good on paper
It will do very little to make us feel tankier
And absolutely nothing to help you get invited to PUGs as a Tank
nova viper
👍
grim prism
Why do people think we are getting significant changes in the near future
Blizzard said MAYBE 8.1 in yesterday's bluepost
vocal nimbus
because some kind of rework of the class was somewhat confirmed
amber siren
They said very likely assuming something else doesn't break in the mean time
grim prism
That would be a bold assumption for the wow team
frosty wedge
people are still getting game breaking bugs in m+ that have been around since beta
and being told blizzard isn't aware of them, and then therefore the key can't be restored
weary nacelle
i wonder what's been going on with Blizzard? Any thoughts on that? Did they change Dev's team that much? Or why did the quality go down that hard this year?
frosty wedge
they're bulding on quicksand
amber siren
level 1 tech support not knowing that the current bugs are is not new to this expansion
frosty wedge
they keep releasing new shit just tacking onto old code
and no one knows how everything works
it's what happens at all old software copmanies
carmine dust
The ole Blizzard stamp of quality is losing its steam like the "Netflix Original" label :V
ember arrow
wah wah
nova viper
Probably most of the people who worked on the game moved onto a different game and WoW is left with lesser quality devs
Be my guest
Guess
amber siren
my theory is that blizzard is run by dragons 😃
ember arrow
nova viper
Why? Because the quality control of this expansion is horrendous
It's literally just a hunch
vagrant cape
I joined an all-Spanish-speaking group for a +11 temple last night. After wiping over 10 times on galvazzt with our best pull getting to 30%, I finally said, "Alright. That was a waste of two and a half hours, but at least I got to practice my Spanish. Thanks y'all."
Proceeded to do a +10 with the guild, one shot galvazzt and missed timer by only a couple minutes. I wanted to scream at the other group.
Their highest dps on galvazzt was 10k with hero.
uneven mason
Its tbh not worse than any of the other Xpacs
vagrant cape
Sorry, needed to vent
prisma night
So no proof or facts gotcha, gotta love baseless claims
ember arrow
^
people can shit on wow all they watn
go to another mmo
then youll be happy
how stable wow is relatively
nova viper
Pretty sure I'm entitled to an opinion, sorry you didntike it
amber siren
your opinion was speculation
nova viper
Lmao
frosty wedge
saying QC on this expansion was a joke isn't speculation
amber siren
not what he said
prisma night
But saying devs left is
amber siren
read the full context
frosty wedge
the rpoof is in the act that there are specs that are fundamentally flawed, the azerite system isn't well thought out - m+ has gam,e breaking flaws that have been around since beta
nova viper
I still play the game daily and have 0 issues with blizzard as a company, someone asked a question and I provided an answer I thought was fitting
If you don't like it get over it
prisma night
Based on no info
frosty wedge
also what he said about good devs moving to new projects is ALSO how most game dev shops work
nova viper
Yes
signal plover
If you don't like ppl disagreeing with your opinion you should probably support it with facts
amber siren
why are you saying get over it, you're the only one here who's upset they were disagreed with
prisma night
You can say qc is bad but saying devs left and has caused it is baseless and not helpful
nova viper
Yes
signal plover
I mean it's not impossible that you're right
frosty wedge
Hisoka - that's how MOST game dev shops work though, blizzard is no exception - senior/head devs move on to creating new projects and junior's maintain
vagrant cape
But there's been absolutely no evidence of that occurring
prisma night
Okay just cuz its how most work doesnt mean that has happened here. Providing some proof or info to back up your claim is the very least someone can do
signal plover
BFA certainly feels rushed to me, still stable and playable and enjoyable, but rushed
frosty wedge
I mean
Metzen left blizzard
Dude was pretty much the god of wow
so there's that
amber siren
metzen personally coded everything is wow btw 🙂
nova viper
So ignorance of multiple end game bugs no urgency to fix class malfunctions is no evidence:GWnanamiThinkingBTTV:
signal plover
It's not evidence that devs have left
vagrant cape
That's inductive reasoning, though. "Oh, X is one of many causes of Y and Y is happening? X must be happening as well."
prisma night
Its evidense that qc is not the best but not of devs leaving the game
signal plover
QC is constricted by time and time is something they have much less of this time around
prisma night
Theres a lot of factors
vagrant cape
Bad QC could be caused by myriad problems, ONE of which is devs leaving. Please don't jump to conclusions
lusty grotto
qc on a giant game is pretty much guaranteed to have bugs go through
vagrant cape
Cars not starting could be because the engine was stolen, but it could also be a dead battery, no gas, etc.
frosty wedge
I'm just waiting for the orb bug to happen in MDI and see how fast it gets fixed
lusty grotto
even if you have the public beta test and report appropiately (not saying we don't, but some of the stuff just isn't reported)
honestly i don't know if i would be able to develop/maintain a game better
and i'm a software dev
weak zephyr
Wait blizzard is a triple A company?
vagrant cape
From what I've heard the wow team is a couple hundred people and since they have headquarters all across the U. S. , it's Possible they're disorganized to the point where they are A. Swamped and unable to process all the reports or B. Unable to communicate the reports to the people who need to know them or all of the above
frosty wedge
holy shit why are people so hung up on devs leaving? shit happens constantly at every game company, it's not a big deal
amber siren
wat
signal plover
Every dev has left wow it's just Ion now
lusty grotto
yeah it happens all the time
dusky mica
jobbers ruin video games
vagrant cape
I just wish blizzard would use their hearthstone money to hire more wow devs. Heck, more community managers would be great. Tell them to study Grinding Gear Games (path of exile devs) for how to communicate with their communitt
ember arrow
jalapeno
lusty grotto
we're bilingual, but mostly spanish :p
weak zephyr
Hearthstone money? Bruh use the overwatch money lmao
ember arrow
que?
vocal nimbus
la ostia patxi
lusty grotto
more devs don't necessarily means better though
signal plover
Levko are u maining prot pally ATM?
vagrant cape
@lusty grotto oh no, it was a great group, but I wish I could have seen that the dps wasn't gonna cut it for galvazzt. I learned a lot.
ember arrow
@signal plover nope, dk
signal plover
Bah k nvrm
ember arrow
what about it?
dusky mica
¿
lusty grotto
just say cabron every 5 seconds, your spanish is 100% better that way
signal plover
Co tank struggling with mythic zek combo was looking for sum tips for em
lusty grotto
😄
vagrant cape
Petar = to kick
Agruparse = to group up
Separar = to spread
Guardar = to save
ember arrow
he cant spellward himself?
lusty grotto
that is some peruvian shit lol
signal plover
They can
ember arrow
then use ancient kings
vagrant cape
Cabron?
signal plover
Then ones they can't immune are giving em issues
ember arrow
there is literalyl no tank dmg after combo
lusty grotto
cabron is caribbean spanish i guess
signal plover
I'm wondering if we should just swap after shtter
vagrant cape
Which part was Peruvian?
lusty grotto
petar
ember arrow
ye swap at shatter if u got trouble
signal plover
They're doing the even ones which happen during the Nova
lusty grotto
rest is neutral spanish i guess
vagrant cape
What country are you from and how do you say "kick" or interrupt?
lusty grotto
puerto rico
signal plover
Le kique
lusty grotto
yes
grim prism
¿que onda guay?
ember arrow
can u puerto rico?
lusty grotto
puerto rico that fucking cast you pleb
ember arrow
that mob
vagrant cape
Wow. The more you know.
ember arrow
@signal plover u a prot warr then?
lusty grotto
kick = interrupt which goes by interrumpir
ember arrow
on zekvoz
vagrant cape
I'm gonna do that from now on if I join a rag group. Thanks
signal plover
Ya
ember arrow
hmm ye swap at shatter then if he got trouble
it doesnt really make a difference in the long run
vagrant cape
Wow, that's so much more difficult to say than "Peta"
lusty grotto
rofl
ember arrow
if he cant do it safely no need to risk
lusty grotto
i guess you're right haha
signal plover
I can SR that lash and have it back for my combo so maybe we will do that
vagrant cape
Peru > Puerto Rico confirmed ama
lusty grotto
shots fired
ember arrow
on dk i just immune first, then healy myself from shatter to full
then take 2nd and blaze weed
since no tank dmg after 2nd lash
signal plover
Ya DK is strawng for zek
vocal nimbus
im from colonist spain 😰
vagrant cape
@signal plover based solely on your name, I have to ask... Are you a furry?
ember arrow
🍿
lusty grotto
LOL
frosty wedge
a colonial furry
ember arrow
i think
amber siren
When you yiff the boss 🙀
lusty grotto
Furry Warrior eh
vagrant cape
Did I?
signal plover
No I'm prot warr not furry warr lol we're in #protection
vagrant cape
@signal plover
frosty wedge
check armory - is he a panda?
signal plover
;)
lusty grotto
lol
frosty wedge
😄
lusty grotto
wait furries are pandas? not worgens?
vagrant cape
Well played
signal plover
Fair warning my current mog reflects the current status of prot warr
ember arrow
non existant?
lusty grotto
so does my mog
frosty wedge
well now I have to look
signal plover
frosty wedge
oh dear god
weary nacelle
you better delete that 😄
vagrant cape
I had a guildy tell me that blocking attacks prevented applications of necrotic. I was baffled by the inaccuracy.
ember arrow
lol
dusky mica
it should!
lusty grotto
haha
weary nacelle
it should, to be honest
signal plover
Smol shield for smol SB uptime...big hammer for big deeps
turbid kayak
Paladin holy shield can right?
ember arrow
blocked melee still hit you
frosty wedge
ha, if necrotic stacks weren't applied through block we'd just cheese necrotic
signal plover
Hit your shield
ember arrow
holy shield can block the necrotic dot
north dove
where did Arms/Fuiry spec chats go?
dusky mica
hit my shield, not me, it's in the detail pal
ember arrow
whatever
vagrant cape
@signal plover and a face that no one would ever invite to a group :P
north dove
Arms?
ember arrow
above prot
digital arrow
Lol
north dove
its gone
north dove
oh tehe
lusty grotto
??
north dove
GOT IT
vagrant cape
Goddamn furry warriors coming in here and mucking things up.
north dove
everyone can relax
signal plover
@vagrant cape nah the helm is optimized to ignore ppl showing you or telling u that the class isn't viable.
lusty grotto
wew
signal plover
Max denial of the senses
dusky mica
go dark iron and stare people down if that happens
vagrant cape
I should try that while I play. I'll hook up my PC to a sensory deprivation chamber
signal plover
I am dark iron
knotty ermine
I am meat popsicle
signal plover
Can't u tell by my ashy skin?
lusty grotto
hey lets not assume races, or genders
signal plover
Ashy
vagrant cape
Protip: Equip all of your followers with the items that give them a chance to return with resources. Then send them on every missiob shorter than a day. Get free shit all day. Easy game.
dark junco
Well last news I had they werent returning shit
signal plover
Must mean that the item return dev left blizzard
vagrant cape
If you run 5 missions a day you see consistent returns. The herb items were too expensive, but I occasionally see a free 35 monelite or 40 storm silver
sick sentinel
you guys feeling better with stam/armor buffs? lol
signal plover
Yeah we're the best tank now
sick sentinel
lmao
signal plover
;)
vagrant cape
Are those live now? Shit I should get out of bed
lusty grotto
i thought that was a hotfix last week
signal plover
Imo it's a thigh clap
manic sentinel
Those 5% buffs, queuing up for an 11-everyone wants me. They're all like "omg a warrior? That guy has like 1000 more health and 100 armor now, pick him up quick!"
I just cant keep these invites away idk what to do
wild bolt
@manic sentinel Livin the dream, brother
wintry ermine
just make your own group, with people you know... and play correctly to change people's minds
manic sentinel
I do fine in my own group. It's just annoying not getting into any pug bc of the rep
weary nacelle
We are in a really bad spot, but I must admit people are overreacting when it comes to pugs. I easily tanked full heroic Uldir at 365. It just requires an additional piece of effort and skills to accomplish things, while other tanks are having kind of easy time. But that doesn't mean we cannot do it. Sure, I can.
astral crystal
there's no prot unfriendly mythic bosses so far either
lusty grotto
i think the current stigma is towards M+ not raids
but i can see how most retarded pugs would interchange the two
signal plover
I mean I feel pretty solid in m+ as well but we're not pushing past 11/12
dusk locust
same. only real trouble i have is tol dagor teeming with the huge caster/shooter groups, but some chain los shenanigans get me through it
signal plover
U can skip all of those btw
dusk locust
hm you might be right.. i thought those were on the way to the second boss
signal plover
There may be one big pull on teeming if u don't have a way to open doors.
dusk locust
i always have keys w/ me
i'll have to pay more attention to whether those are skippable next time
signal plover
But it shouldnt have marines/casters
Those are after 2nd boss
The one big pack next to the bar, you can hug the corner and pull the spotter through the long hallway that leads out to the ramparts.
dusk locust
i'm talking about the guys who cast bubble
signal plover
Oh gotcha
dusk locust
on teeming there's a pull with like what.. 3 of those and a buncha gun guys
signal plover
Pretty much need good interrupts there
They're CCable too tho and there's lots of corners to LoS on
dusk locust
yeah that's what i do
i blow cds for aggro then hop away and los around several corners
signal plover
Not a fun teeming dungeon
dark junco
The only sad part is that we can’t get anything Valkyr related now, since we’re not in legion nemore. So no Brez or shenennigans like that.
lusty grotto
aoe taunt banner would be super useful for necrotic, aoe taunt grip banner make it happen blizz
dark junco
So no brez, undying effect, pull or grab (we’d need a pull like the hook from roadhog)
Shaman is useful this week
Tol dagor was a breeze with that
lusty grotto
butcher hook would be sweet
dark junco
Yeah, but usually they try to give tanks ability no one as
lusty grotto
id be roleplaying pudge all day
dark junco
And I don’t see what we could get
lusty grotto
yeah it doesn't align with their current meta game
strong hill
@lusty grotto I’ve been saying gives us taunt banner for weeks.
lusty grotto
the whole "bring the class not the player" bs they have now
strong hill
That or make ravager taunt stuff
sand egret
I think they need to go more into the bodyguard/classic tank fantay
signal plover
O god
sand egret
fantasy*
signal plover
Ravager taunt would be too memey
hidden linden
Monks have Dave for (indirect) AoE taunt, unlikely that warriors will get the same ability
lusty grotto
except any bodyguard thing really wouldn't do anything for m+
sand egret
you saying people don't take random damage?
lusty grotto
that i can think of, that is
they do but i don't think that would be a selling point
sand egret
things don't fixate?
mellow bridge
that's such a niche thing tho
lusty grotto
since people can survive it on their own as is
sand egret
niche is literally the point lol
either way it's an aspect of a tank class that is criminally underserved
lusty grotto
i get what you're saying
signal plover
Most of the warrior toolkit has gotten sprikled out to the other tank classes. I'd be surprised if they gave any of it back.
chrome falcon
@hidden linden We literally had the "stationary taunt object" before they did
strong hill
Embrace the ravager meme
lusty grotto
i just don't think it would do much for pugs to want warriors
sand egret
seeing as warriors are the "iconic' tank, it woudl seem fitting, given that we have Intercept already
hidden linden
Not saying we didn't, but since they tend to look for "brand new" abilities, an AoE taunt seems unlikely
That's all I'm saying
But I'd love to be wrong :/
strong hill
If monks can have a statue that pisses mobs off we can have a whirly weapon to do the same 😊
sand egret
it could be a flavor of AoE taunt, @hidden linden
lusty grotto
hidden linden
Agreed
chrome falcon
Half our talent tree needs to be baseline, especially everything at level 100
lusty grotto
ravager pull all mobs in aoe the shit outta them + bootyclap
chrome falcon
Ravager was an awesome ability in MoP
cloud scarab
nobody remembers when we actually had an AoE taunt? (one time shout)
chrome falcon
It was so cool to get an iconic dungeon boss ability as a player
lusty grotto
yea i do @cloud scarab
sand egret
taunt shout was the tits
hidden linden
And a cone shape immunity zone behind the warrior could be super cool aswell but I think paladins have something like it so... :(
sand egret
but we have that now
plain ice
Challenging shout? Yea
chrome falcon
@hidden linden that would be wildly broken
hidden linden
Immunity, yeah
chrome falcon
I think it's really stupid that we're supposed to be MASTERS OF THE SHIELD
cloud scarab
some of you started making me feel older than needed 😛
chrome falcon
But we can't even block arrows, let alone spells
hidden linden
But let's say AoE reduction at least
sand egret
avoidance buff to the party
lusty grotto
hmm that sounds interesting
mellow bridge
I rly wish we could block arrows FeelsBadMan
sand egret
sorry (that woudl be SO broken)
grim prism
Its only 18 min with anger management
signal plover
Fair
grim prism
Relax
chrome falcon
@lusty grotto paladins literally already have that and it's not very good
hidden linden
You could add "flavor" by swapping DR for maybe directed spell reflect
lusty grotto
only using it for d/e lol
chrome falcon
I honestly don't think we have some identity crisis and we don't need some crazy broken niche
hidden linden
(Spell deflect seems more like it)
chrome falcon
Our rotation just needs to flow together better
lusty grotto
honestly though i don't think they want to add utility to warriors other than battle shout
or dps i guess?
chrome falcon
Daily reminder that battle shout doesn't count as utility
lusty grotto
if that can be considered utility
chrome falcon
rallying cry is fucking exceptional utility, really good ability
lusty grotto
right
chrome falcon
battle cry is basically nothing
lusty grotto
just being sarcastic
chrome falcon
3% attack power buff is pretty much nothing especially when every raid team probably has an arms warrior
lusty grotto
agreed
chrome falcon
I honestly thing "Big dick dps" is enough of a niche that we should stop complaining that we don't have anything special
lusty grotto
yeah
chrome falcon
Everything is just clunky and weird
amber siren
wat
chrome falcon
Sometimes when I'm taking high damage I literally go IP->DS->IP
And it feels so fucking gross spending 3 globals doing no damage
solemn current
you just clearly haven't played it enough to understand blizzards way of thinking
dark junco
Feel the same @chrome falcon
chrome falcon
shield of the righteous is basically revenge and shield block on the same button