you can spell reflect 2nd one to reduce dmg
#protection
manic perch
you cant spell reflect 1st?
broken kite
i mean you can
but usually 2nd is more worrying
idk if it lasts long enough for both
manic perch
yeah true maybe i should try that healers a bit slow topping me up and co tank bit slow on taunt im rocking 186khp and hes rocking 240k so hes a bit slow ;P
broken kite
cotank has to taunt promptly
you have a 100% heal shield until that debuff wears off
so healers can spam shit on you, but unless its defensives or bubbles they dont do shit
manic perch
yeah just wasting mana
broken kite
just yell at your co-tank until they get the idea
manic perch
ok thanks for the advice will try that after reset ๐
broken kite
๐ you'll get it ez
tight tree
Fetid: if you OT save shield block for every trash, or bolster it, or wall, or external.
Zek: last stand is up for every combo. Spell reflect second lash hit.
exotic ice
Quick question.. For leveling do I use Wowhead talents or Icy-veins they have a few differences
neon tangle
@exotic ice The only real differences between the guides are for the lvl 30 and 75 talents
both of which are the only ones where we have real choice
i.e.for those rows choose what's useful
turbid kayak
I am going from a blood dk back to my old warrior as tank for raids and m+ how manych of a butch slap am I going to experience or is it not as bad as the memes say
weary nacelle
๐
ember arrow
for m+ its a step backm but it depends on what keys you do, how big that impact will be
neon tangle
@turbid kayak I do fine w/ my guild groups, it seems like most of my issue is pugging
i.e. not getting invited because of being a warrior
ember arrow
also depends on alot of factors, including but not limited to how comfortable you are playing the spec
turbid kayak
Oh well it will make the game a bit more fun I guess or challenging should be there word
On tyrannical if no charges of shield block am I looking to burn through cds or can IP actually tank a hit or two
outer dew
Ideally you want to pop you CD earlier if you know there's a gap
Rather than reactively using them
Due to the nature of AM
tight tree
Well if you do m+ just for chest warr is ok. if you plan to push stay DK.
turbid kayak
Not having much fun on my dk. Decided to stop playing what's best or most desirable. Was gonna ask how much AM can reduce 2min CD to on average
fringe marten
which 2min?
turbid kayak
Last stand for example
fringe marten
Umm isn't Last stand reduced to 90 sec through talents?
and then with AM you're going to bring it down to nearing a minute or so, or less. (or does it go from 3 min to 2 min?)
turbid kayak
I thought it went from 3 to 2 could be mistaken
fringe marten
you may b e right
amber siren
Bolster reduces it to 2 minutes
turbid kayak
I missed playing my warrior. Gonna be weird coming back to it last time i tanked seriously on it was late cata early mop. Had a bash in legion but nothing serious
tiny sphinx
compared to mop and legion my disappointment with 'bullshit for azeroth' is immeasurable and my year is ruined
tight tree
@turbid kayak THen play warrior for sure. Get good friends or guild, because it will be hard to find PuGs as warrior.
Warrior play is ton of fun, even with IP on GCD.
@tiny sphinx Yeah, my patience is wearing thin as well. They keep taking fun stuff and adding unfun stuff. When will they reach critical mass of unfun ๐ค
tiny sphinx
everyone has different thresholds
turbid kayak
I wasn't a fan of mitigation being on charges or to little charges
feral crypt
highmountain tauren is best I suppose?
tight tree
Orcs are the best, because they are coolest.
Play what race you like the best.
Or blood elf for m+ if you are tryhard ๐ But in this case, you will not play warrior for m+
feral crypt
the choice is maghar and highmountain, its either be cool or be better and get stuck in doors
strong forum
@fringe marten you can use LS roughly every minute
feral crypt
yeah thats what I meant, the last time I played tauren I got stuck in the elevator door in OG and missed the elevator and a guy going up just went /lol
I race changed out of shame
tight tree
Goblins are drowning in shallow water ๐
feral crypt
you really cant win in WoW, I remember getting stuck on some stairs as well playing my goblin, is that still a thing?
tight tree
Yes ๐
rustic needle
brace impact 355 or 370 iron fortress
tight tree
I would take 370
rustic needle
ty
tight tree
Only deafening crash worth sacrificing lot of ilevel for.
manic perch
does anyone know if the dark iron dwarves racial Fireblood works on anything noteable in mythic + and uldir?
feral crypt
it can at least dispel things your healer doesnt have a dispel for
old zephyr
It most likely works on :
Poison in the underrot (3rd boss)
Bleeds from the decaying totem guys in AD
Bleed from zul (uldir)
Bleed from KR berzerkers
Purtid water (SoB last boss)
Poison from SoB invaders
fringe marten
Samstel, I'd have to run down a list per dungeon, suffice it to say...a lot of things.
The really cool stuff you can do with it: Dispel bleed stacks in King's rest, Dispel Tick Bleed stacks in Underrot, Dispel Mushroom stacks in Underrot (meaning you can run over a bunch of shrooms..and cleanse it off, so the room is always 100% clear if your group does mechanics solid)
Lot of nifty places to pop spell reflects in dungeons and a couple notable ones in raid too. Mostly just 1 on Ghunn.
OH umm...Poison stacks (from the poison globs in the Tomb boss room, in King's Rest)
Poison stacks..from the mobs near the Hadal Giant boss in Siege of boralus (the thieves/snipers that stack poison dot)
Rending bleed from the barfboys in Atal Dazar (as stated by 4xtch)
Also as 4XTCH said..the water DoT on kraken boss in siege.
old zephyr
beware though as removing any dispellable effect with an effect when it ends will trigger it
(Putrid water will bumb nearby allies, zul's bleed will drop the pool of blood)
manic perch
ajh ok cool thanks man you guys rock will have to try it ๐
keen spire
wait does the regular dwarf racial dispel zul's bleed too?
uneven mason
Neither dispells Zul's bleed
the M+ stuff listed it'll get rid of
no boss mechanic in Uldir can be removed by it.
old zephyr
Oh okay...
on another topic anyone know how much raw health does the stam pot (pot not flask) give?
severe pond
Necrotic on bfa affects Last Stand?
old zephyr
yes
junior igloo
@old zephyr Should be 1100 * 20 * 1.35 (1.4 next week) = 29.7k (30.8k next week)
vocal nimbus
rumourcraft
deft epoch
Question: I am both a tank and warrior newb (lvl40 Dark Iron atm). As soon as I got IP I started to prioritize it over Shield Block on every dungeon run and during the few Qs I did out it the wild. It seemed to work quite well for me, but when I read through the guides again I noticed they all seem to say that SB > IP. Is it really big difference I should get used to, or just not bother (yet)?
slender needle
Depends on the damage you're taking, melee attacks SB is king, SB doesn't do anything against magic casts, so IP in that case. But it might be that IP is way stronger at lower levels, hard to say I guess ๐
uneven mason
@deft epoch IP works vs all damage, but has a limitation (X amount up to 50% of the hit) SB is your block value, which is a mitigation calculated just like armor, however it only works on certain types of damage, but has no limit during the buff. Shield Block is > IP for any time you're taking melee, IP is a damage smoothing tool to be used WITH Shield Block, OR against specifically magic/DoT damage (stuff that is not blockable)
Knowing what is what is half the battle.
hearty portal
But its to bad of a smoothing tool, it fall of almost instantly from dots/magic due to the fact that we can't mitigate the first part of the damage.
vocal nimbus
maybe the block value doesnt scale well enough while leveling and thats why he feels IP is stronger
deft epoch
@uneven mason Thanks for the detailed explanation, just what I was looking for!
feral crypt
from my experience, healers slack a lot in dugeons while levelling, maybe IP makes it feel less spiky as it fills the bar
old zephyr
So we get ร buff next week ?
signal plover
Best not to get hung up on one vs the other (SB vs IP). Despite its shortcomings, SB is our primary mitigation and in dungeons you will more than likely have something hitting you so SB should be maintained as frequently as possible. IP is stronger against magic damage but it should also be used to supplement SB whenever necessary.
While leveling, it's best to not get into habits that would lead to poor play at cap. The pinned icy veins guide explains both SB and IP and their useage very well in the abilities section. @deft epoch
hollow dragon
Buf? Its joke not buff...
signal plover
It's roughly 5% increase to EHP. And we supposedly have PTR changes inc
waxen talon
how is it a nerf to efficent hp?
signal plover
That's a ~ not a -
signal plover
There :)
waxen talon
idk its just a emergenyc fix to make prot more playable i guess
imo the spec needs some dramatic changes to fit current timeline.
old zephyr
alright thx
signal plover
Someone put it well yesterday. It's a fix that makes playing the spec poorly slightly less punishing lol
waxen talon
yea its annyoin cuz playing prot ahs always been about the correct decision making
and its just going into the direction of not
tight tree
Eh noone will feel any difference.
waxen talon
so i hope 8.1 wil bring changes instead of armor fixe
s
tbh its quite significant
but unless ur gettin fingerblasted u wont really notice.
blissful pebble
@manic perch Dark iron can remove the Mythic mother add debuff (move out of group 1st) also nice for the Zul trash bleed. Lots of nice stuff in M+ many already mentioned.
tight tree
Changes should be impactful enough for people to want warriors in their groups again.
waxen talon
nol ol
thats not how nerfing/buffin works
u dont go from rank 6 to rank 2
Future traits, scalign later expan might fix that
tight tree
That is how public perception works.
signal plover
The Oct 2nd changes should be better described as tuning imo
tight tree
I dont care, i play with guild.
waxen talon
the underdog spec never becomes top tier in the middle of a raid.
signal plover
Actual changes to talents/abilities/traits will be handled during actual content patches
tight tree
I dont feel these changes in my gameplay at all ๐
waxen talon
theyre not live yet either.
signal plover
Ya that's the point
tight tree
Not feeling more tanky
waxen talon
lmao
junior igloo
How can you feel them when they aren't live yet? ๐
mortal pike
signal plover
It's being luke-warm fixed in
waxen talon
jokes aside ur not supposed to notice it either
tight tree
Well yeah 100% will not notice them
waxen talon
unless u note ur hp bar before goign to bed every evening
cinder pasture
@tight tree Well in your defense, us prot warriors aren't the most intelligent class ๐
manic perch
thanks @blissful pebble
tight tree
I no read, i smash
waxen talon
Still smarter than any kind of hunter in this game
tight tree
Without a doubt
Tbh i was expecting block uptime and IP buffs, not 1.45% survivability increase.
ember arrow
Lets not get ahead of ourselves
red wasp
Gear question: 340 deafening crash or 370 with archive/iron fortress ?
i assume the 340 but i'd get double archive which is why i'm doubtful
red wasp
ah ok, didn't know that
mellow bridge
DC unless you already have a diff piece with DC
waxen talon
hopefully nerfs dc before that.
junior igloo
you guys are being so dramatic ๐
ember arrow
This in nothing
waxen talon
ofc we are prot warriors
junior igloo
970 is likely better btw
junior igloo
370 as well
ember arrow
Really?
waxen talon
3018 after we get another 400 ilvls squishes
ember arrow
In 3018 ppl will still scream wow is dead
mellow bridge
in 3018 the new lord of the wildrift 3 remake will come out and kill WoW
waxen talon
u mean just as guild wars 2 did back in cataclysm?
kill wow for 2days til ppl realize other games are poop
mellow bridge
thats the joke
lord of the rings
wildstar
rift
all were said to kill WoW and look where they are at now
rip
oak pendant
In 3018 we might have 15 seconds baseline CD on Shield Block.
junior igloo
Oh well, DC might be a bit better after all
waxen talon
yea lol
i legit hope they so something crazy like change prot warrior mastery in 8.1
ember arrow
Lets be real
oak pendant
I'm tanking mythic atm as prot warrior. I have 1740 haste
Still not enough
But I survive
junior igloo
Mastery change could be nice.
Putting BV, Bolster and UF on the same row in talents would help a lot
oak pendant
Anger management/Bolster is the best combo
waxen talon
make devaster baseline
then i might settle iwth IP on GCD
devastator*
Give us bladestorm instead of ravager too!
just cuz of knockback + stun immunity ofc.
junior igloo
@signal plover
Because the synergy between anger management and these talents is breaking the balance.
merry cave
Lol unless they significantly buffed other parts of war putting those on one line is suicide
junior igloo
of course they would buff the spec to compensate
waxen talon
They should honestly just make Anger management baseline
its such a core mechanic of protection warriors
other top tier talents will NEVER be competetive.
junior igloo
that's the point - now we are balanced around AM + Bolster + UF + BV
signal plover
Yes but wouldn't losing that synergy just put us further behind the norm without other changes to compensate
oak pendant
Bring heroic strike back, put it on vengeance talent, 30 rage cost.
Put avatar burst talent on 50% dmg increase instead of 100%.
Put avatar, demo shout and IP off of the GCD.
Make devastor hit a little bit harder, like 10-20%.
Bring back demoralizing banner.
Make it so that ignore pain can absorb 20-100 rage.
Easy
That's how you fix the class
merry cave
Tbf am, bolster and uf are the only parts of the tree I actually find fun so having two on same row sounds really not great
waxen talon
why the heck would u want demo banner.
merry cave
Fuck heroic strike
waxen talon
IP cost up to 100 is awesome
problem is
ur gonna starve urself so u cant block or some bs
merry cave
That shit needs to stay dead forever
merry cave
It wasn't fun
waxen talon
i liked my spammy mashy button.
junior igloo
For example - we can't tank Fetid Devourer very well right now.
Why? Because you need Heavy Repercussions on that fight (that way every Shield Block covers 2 Thrashes instead of 1 making us twice as effective).
But you can't play HR because AM + Bolster + BV + UF is overpowered and the class is balanced around it, so any other talent combination is garbage by default
oak pendant
Heroic strike was good fun
waxen talon
i never liked it for a prot
oak pendant
Just make it so that heroic strike increase block value by x amount
waxen talon
another core mechanic i miss of protection warriors is the ability to enrage
it wasnt much but insanely nice class flavour
vagrant cape
why is there a new post on the blue tracker that merely links to something posted by a blue six days ago about the taunt changes? I don't get it.
junior igloo
They need to break the synergy (putting all the talents on the same row is the easiest and most elegant way to do it) and then buff the class as a whole so that multiple choices are viable
waxen talon
Protection warriors could use some major changes
old zephyr
hmm, I'm retty sure I can have something up for every single trash on my war in HM
signal plover
Fair enough. I can understand the argument for trying to open up more talent choices, but I'm a little worries about how that would be executed without also addressing base abilities in the spec
waxen talon
new mastery, AM baseline, could do so much stuff
just hopin they come up with soemthing better.
waxen talon
Doesnt mean u want to have it for 10years
vagrant cape
I honestly love the playstyle we have now, but I agree that it's not healthy for there to be one build that's head and shoulders above the rest
oak pendant
With that argument you could say you should remove shadow bolt as well?
Stupid argument
sick sentinel
After tanking mythraxx HC yesterday for the first time I gotta say
signal plover
Right now I couldn't imagine having to choose between Bolster and UF for m+
Even raids
sick sentinel
This is the first time I really HATED the GCD change
waxen talon
mastery was the go to stat to increase ur block % equal to parry and dodge in the past
thats the only thing that happend to it over the years
the russian roulette with critical block just isnt cool
not to mention it doesnt work against a significant number of abiltiies.
oak pendant
Warriors scale good with gear mate
signal plover
But I guess with additional changes with those principles in mind could work
waxen talon
again ur making baseline rules of previous expansions
vagrant cape
I'll test that hypothesis, defenze, can you hook me up with a 370 boe shield real quick?
I'll get you the data lickity split
junior igloo
Well our current mastery is not that great in current version of prot.
It gives you higher block chance - but when playing well you should be using Shield Block when taking high damage, so it has anti-synergy with the specs core ability.
It gives you crit block - which is a random chance of huge reduction. It's basically another parry, boring and passive, with no interaction.
old zephyr
due to the changes on armor/block, we don't really scale that well with it, we need it to do higher content...
waxen talon
Exactly.
signal plover
I would love to see a change to our mastery
waxen talon
might aswell just make the general block stat from traits + shield our mastery
personally i would love to see protection warriors turned upside down in design
but probably wont happend in the middle of a expansion
tight tree
@sick sentinel GCD change was shit, shit now, and will be shit. I just cannot get used to it and probably never will.
chilly brook
It seems I have returned to the land of the living
waxen talon
its mostly just a problem for me when i try to use IP.
tight tree
@chilly brook userpic = gold
waxen talon
and demo shout ofc.
chilly brook
Deus volt brother
vagrant cape
Blizz will probly read this and think
"Oh, we hear you loud and clear.
8.1 patch notes:
-Shield block doubles your block chance up to a cap of 90% chance to block."
tight tree
i am the law
old zephyr
our issues in raid, is that you need a good shield and armor to do higher content whereas other tank do not rely on it as much.
in MM+ we have much less utility than any other tank...
junior igloo
Chance increased by mastery with diminishing returns, @vagrant cape? ๐
chilly brook
I wouldnโt say you need it any more than an arms warrior needs a good weapon to do more than 12k DPS
waxen talon
even brewmaster monk mastery looks sexy compare to ours imo
and it has no synergy with the rest of the spec.
vagrant cape
@junior igloo Of course, how could we forget those buzzwords? Also, class fantasy and interactive gameplay.
chilly brook
Actually BrM mastery has a lot of synergy with the spec
waxen talon
i see it the way of prot warriors are build around blocking and mastery is this core mechanic
while brewmasters are build around staggering
chilly brook
Thereโs a reason why itโs the way it is, itโs one of the reasons why theyโre considered easier to heal on average while also taking more damage
waxen talon
ofc the dodge is a way of staggering
and it compliments the spec well
but i just feel like its out of place.
oak pendant
Ignore pain is the only way to counteract magic damage. What if they made it absorb 100% more, but only magic damage?
vagrant cape
It feels like BrM has this insane synergy built in to the spec while prot warrior has to be pigeonholed into one talent set and an azerite trait in order to get a satisfying level of synergy.
chilly brook
Tbf BrM doesnโt have that much talent choice
oak pendant
We have spell reflect, 1 spell or 5 sec of magic AOE dmg (or zul shadow barrage spell-type of spells)
and demo shout
and wall
junior igloo
BrM mastery makes a lot of sense.
Stagger (and ISB by proxy) doesn't reduce damage, only redistributes it.
They need the dodge to reduce overall damage intake.
Mastery lets them guarantee dodges in regular intervals
chilly brook
^
waxen talon
Regardless, its insanely well designed compare to ours imo.
tight tree
BM take more damage (not by much btw) but they control when they take with stagger+purifies.
chilly brook
And then their crit is again another reason why theyโre considered easier to heal on average
Actually BrM typically takes the highest damage by a considerable margin
sick sentinel
A start that increases our block chance is useless, when a good prot is blocking all the time
tight tree
Thing is, even if i block, i still feel i take too much damage.
waxen talon
thats cuz ur nearly blocking every hit and all melee things are tuned around that.
sick sentinel
Expert if you crit block, when you take almost no damage
chilly brook
I fortunately canโt say that I share the feeling
tight tree
350
junior igloo
You have to ignore the pain of bad shield
knotty ermine
get out
sick sentinel
Nice pun
tight tree
And if i am out of SB, i feel that demo shout is not good enough
tight tree
But that is anecdotal, we are not best guild so healers may have issues
waxen talon
its intended to supplement ur block if anything
knotty ermine
@tight tree we talkin M+? You should almost always have SB1/LS/SB2 available?
tight tree
Mythic Uldir
knotty ermine
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tight tree
m+ i am fine
signal plover
What boss?
sick sentinel
You can SB 3 times, then LS, then SB 3 times, then SW then SB again
tight tree
Even on taloc i am highly uncomfortable
junior igloo
@tight tree
Insulting your healers like that? No more heals for you I guess
sick sentinel
Do you have logs?
tight tree
Nah i love my healer. And my healers love my brewmaster ๐
sick sentinel
I have to agree with paw
chilly brook
The thing is BrM has the advantage of being one of the more recent tanks and therefor have solid design
And itโs hard to compete with their design in general
waxen talon
yea it feels way more up to date with things.
frosty wedge
I'm just glad we're gone from the days of waiting 30 minutes between pulls on Huhuran because shield walls are on CD
tight tree
I use externals and i know how to weave sb/ls etc, thing is, i dont think i should use externals/wall for regular melee hits. Oh shit buttons should be oh shit buttons.
sick sentinel
Just spam m+ that drop shields
signal plover
Externals are needed in mythic uldir for prot warrs
tight tree
No logs, i swapped to brewmaster for raids now so moot point.
signal plover
And they need to be used proactively
frosty wedge
we don't really HAVE oh shit buttons anymore...r eally, because of AM we can use our CDs way more liberally
waxen talon
@signal plover has always been a general intension of raid, but it should be like u use externals for the big "kill fast" add, or some major boss mechanic
tight tree
I dislike that design honestly and don't want to play like this.
waxen talon
it was never intended to use a external for just tanking regular hits
and they tend to overtune those regular hits on certain bosses
tight tree
Even tho i like general feel of warrior.
waxen talon
its a obvious flaw in design if mythic uldir is wrecking a 350 shield, its not thaaat below average anyway
signal plover
I mean im not saying I like it, just saying what's needed ATM
junior igloo
Well the point of the Anger Management build is to use cooldowns regularly.
You should play HR is you want to use cooldowns more as "oh shit" for specials only.
(But it's ofc not viable atm)
tight tree
Yep.
signal plover
It's a good example of what meiffert said before in that were designed around one set of talents and don't rly have the freedom to switch things around
waxen talon
prots lost so much control of damge taken by lossing RFDT and spam ip with rage pool
tight tree
That is unhealthy and not sustainable in a long run. Any nerf will break this fragile system in place
frosty wedge
true, but at least we're already in a bad place so they're less likely to nerf us!
Silver linings boys
tight tree
And i rather not waste time to gear up spec tat is designed so badly.
knotty ermine
Don't dare them in such ways
waxen talon
hoping for major changes in 8.1 for shure.
signal plover
I'm holding out for 8.1 to see if I wanna keep playing warrior in Legion 2.0
waxen talon
only thing i like about prot warrior rn is their dps
knotty ermine
"This guy eatin beans says we won't nerf em" -Lurkin blizz dev, probably
frosty wedge
I pugged a whole bunch of Uldir yesterday since azerite seems to be gated that way... and got nothing on my BrM but like 3 upgrades on my warr
astral crystal
big buffs tomorrow bois who hype, get that 1% increased armor
tight tree
Yes. I told my guild "I go brew for raids, seems to be nobrainer, zero reason not to use it. But if they buff warriors, i will return to it"
waxen talon
i find it silly how ppl kept asking for more classes and now half of them suck.
tight tree
Half of them seems to be copies of each other already
waxen talon
do u remember early legion when 4/5 DHs had "illi" in their name?
tight tree
This is still the case
sick sentinel
Very creative
waxen talon
then they would fel rush and body pull crap
tight tree
All my characters have "Brag" in name
frosty wedge
yeah that still happens
waxen talon
Dhs is like
sick sentinel
Most of DHs have shit names, (not all of them though)
frosty wedge
I did a siege last night and one of the DHs just kept retreating right into shark infested waters
waxen talon
all DHs look the same too
tight tree
illiDANK SO CREATIVE
sick sentinel
I have noticed that good DHs have reasonable names
sick sentinel
My guild has at least 2 of them
waxen talon
its like the odds of finding a good wheelchair
or the odds of finding a helpfull rogue
tight tree
We have 2 good DHs in guild. Bothwith good names
sick sentinel
We also have a good wheelchair (when he is sober)
sick sentinel
Same
waxen talon
i feel like the game wouldve been so much better if they never became playable
sick sentinel
I also find the monks extremely stupid, like the way their animations are, their skills, everything
waxen talon
even gettin to the point of making a class just called "void" or some bs would be cooler, cuz more armor types.
monks are like
tend to be decent
unless they play panda
but that goes for nearly all classes i guess.
tight tree
I like DH. They are fluid to play. I have vengeance alt in leveling now ๐
sick sentinel
I have no problem with monk PLAYERS, I have a problem playing a monk
waxen talon
mostly depends what weapon type u uses
generally just feels dumb to hit stuff with a fist
when ur used to warrior
knotty ermine
Monks still not using their fist weapons in their attacks has got to be one of the dumbest aesthetic design decisions Blizz has made, and continues to make
sick sentinel
Wtf how many times did my message got sent?
signal plover
I have no problem with monk PLAYERS, I have a problem playing a monk
knotty ermine
Oh, I thought you were just being extremely clear, ha!
waxen talon
sick sentinel
My phone lagged
waxen talon
this is how a good DH would look
tight tree
I forgave them for that when they gave us artifact-sitting-on-shoulder- animation for BM.
sick sentinel
Sorry for that
tight tree
my eyes
sick sentinel
Anyway, that's coming from the guy that monk is his second favourite class in Diablo
knotty ermine
Best clownsuit 2006
chilly brook
Well hereโs the thing on why you should be using things like SW etc. on CD instead of as โIโm gonna die if I donโt buttonsโ. Remember when blizz shifted most of the tank damage to strictly physical? So it makes sense why you should be using it when getting hit by normal melees
signal plover
Hey guys, looking for help from someone that has no problem with monk players but has a problem with playing monk?
waxen talon
so i wanted something not very DH like
sick sentinel
First being the barbarian
waxen talon
so i decided to give him antlers and blood elf suit
frosty wedge
yeah @tight tree the artifact on shoulder animations are so cool
chilly brook
@signal plover what does that even mean?
sick sentinel
Cafeteria wifi is shitty
signal plover
^ That's what it means
chilly brook
Fundamentally damage intake has shifted @tight tree so melees are your main concern for most tanks
knotty ermine
The only "class" that they could add to the game right now that I would find remotely interesting would be a spec more than anything. Caster that could tank. Maintain a barrier with int and other spells, etc, and be the top-tier anti magic tank. Got a taste of it with Locks tanking in BC, and while I don't actually wish they would add it back, I just can't think of any other spec or class they could add at this point that wouldn't be a rehash of something that already exists
chilly brook
Tinker
signal plover
Warrior healing spec imo
knotty ermine
Bandage spec rogues hello
chilly brook
Tinker is an easy one off the top of my head
waxen talon
i will yell at ur wounds til they heal
waxen talon
u mean warlocks with demon unter glpyh in past?
signal plover
Caster tank would break tank balance
chilly brook
Look at mekkatorque
waxen talon
queue for a dungeon then run around taunting stuff pissing off tank
tight tree
@chilly brook Yeah i do this. But then i dont have shit when i need DR for big attacks/periods of high damage. Blood explosion on taloc or ghuun high stacks.
chilly brook
On taloc? You know you can SR that yea?
waxen talon
might aswell make a stormwind guard 1spec class while we are at it.
tight tree
Yes i know
signal plover
U can also leap outta it
tight tree
Not cudgel of gore
chilly brook
Yea you can actually
signal plover
Oh the mythic one
knotty ermine
Inb4 Allied Specs
chilly brook
Damage is based off of distance from the boss
tight tree
Thing that people should soak. Anyway maybe bad example, any huge attack you typically save CDs/call externals for.
chilly brook
To be fair thatโs why externals exist as well
waxen talon
yea its usaully rather easy to call for externals for a boss mechanic
since u ltiterally see it comming more than 10secondss ahead of time
chilly brook
It could be worse you could be a blood DK with basically one CD
waxen talon
if u dont use externals healers will just pop it randomly not being very usefull
signal plover
IP is actually decent for shit like that too.
tight tree
I know that can be played around. it is just design flaw/direction i disagree with, i dislike, and therefore, refuse to play.
I want decent baseline mitigation to start with.
waxen talon
ur mitigation is pretty good if u plan it ahead
tight tree
Then i want more control for damage on top of that.
waxen talon
when u need mitigtion out of nowhere and havent planned is when ur supposed to shit ur pants
chilly brook
Or BrM with literally one CD that doesnโt get instagibโd with one melee
tight tree
Guys, i get all this. I know how to play prot. But when i zone in real mythic raid, it feels bad for me. It is maybe for me only. Anecdotal. I don't like it.
chilly brook
I get it
tight tree
I feel weak. Maybe i am not good enough, most probably so.
chilly brook
Not trying to say youโre not validated
tight tree
But i want to tank bosses for my guild and feel good while doing that.
chilly brook
Just trying to offer a different view
frosty wedge
Yeah, If you don't like how the spec feels right now, don't play it until it's "fixed". Ultimately you should play what you enjoy playing.
tight tree
I love how it feels in terms of how abilities looks and sounds and overall aesthetics. I love shields. But it needs to be stronger and it needs to offer some tool for reactive survival. Fully proactive spec is just not for me.
signal plover
I'd love a bit more of a safety net along with the proactive playstyle
IP off GCD would go a long way tbh
astral crystal
if it stacked a little more it'd be nice too
instead of the 1.3x or whatever it is we have now
signal plover
Hopefully some PTR changes go live soon so we can disect that instead of just sitting around anxiously
tight tree
I have mad respect for warriors that progress mythic now, but i am not as good/my raid not as good.
Yeah IP off GCD would be really good. Also you feel that you SO skilled when you clutch IP that tank buster 0.01 second before it hit you ;D
frosty wedge
as for the m+ utility, I loved the idea someone had last week about being able to drop a small wall for LOS or somethin
would be an intersting/unique utility
tight tree
Was probably me. I babbled about this one. Could actually feel that i protect someone.
afaik paladins had talent like this.
PALADINS.
tight tree
Like skovald shield.
smoky mango
really is there anything beat bdk utility on m+? these fuckers will stay kings for a long time
mellow bridge
There are a bunch of paladins too in the highest runs
sly thicket
with the damage prot warriors are doing, we would easily be king if we could actually tank
strong hill
Bring back demo banner.
storm isle
why did they remove it?
waxen talon
why tf do ppl want demo banner
tight tree
everyone have to kite so unless you can do it at range, tank damage is mostly irrelevant
DHs do this good
and monks can still dps while kiting
waxen talon
can kite most packs by spammin heroic throw on prio target and taunt if needed
until taunt gets nerfed ;p
smoky mango
imo as long death grip,ams on their toolkit they will always be there
knotty ermine
I can heroic throw HELLO
storm isle
taunt isnt getting nerfed thoug
tight tree
was tooltip clarification
mellow bridge
how do monks do dps while kiting? I have no idea about brm
strong hill
If weโre talking about what they could do to make us a little more appealing for say m+ , that would be one of the easier things to do.
waxen talon
also u can thunder clap on revenge outside of melee range
storm isle
no it is they are just making the tooltip easier and harder to understand
tight tree
keag smash and breath of fire have big range
waxen talon
so does revenge and clap
storm isle
they are removing some of the text describing what the abilety does
waxen talon
u can even talent ur clap to have further range if u want to
knotty ermine
Taunt currently on the PTR is actually nerfed tho. They didn't remove the threat modifier in taunt window, but it was definitely reduced, which is a nerf by the very definition.
mellow bridge
Revenge really isnt that big
tight tree
point was, warrior damage cannot offset utility of other tanks
bronze lance
ummm why not be good and take ravager and then you can kite and build threat duh
waxen talon
taunt in most scenarios wasnt entirely only relevant for the sake of "gettin aggro"
u could also taunt a mob u were low threat on to increase the threat u generate on it
knotty ermine
How bad of a nerf or how much it is felt is certainly debatable, but whether or not the nerf exists is not.
bronze lance
actually is ravager even still a tallent?
mellow bridge
yeah
waxen talon
such as on range , taunt > heroic throw spam, generates a fair bit.
storm isle
okey, my bad
bronze lance
lol
strong hill
Ooo ravager. Full meme is the way to go
waxen talon
even bladestorm would be more usefull imo.
bronze lance
hey then you could break out of cc
storm isle
it would be ok if it wasn for the other talents on that row
tight tree
HEY i loved BS on prot
waxen talon
Same
bladestorm as prot was the dream
especially with legendary ring ;p
and u could ignore a fair bit of mechanics with it in raid
daring patrol
all i want is IP off the GCD, anger management baseline, put ABT 4-set (or similar functionality) in place of it so i can choose between more block or more absorb
waxen talon
Anger managementi s such a core feature of our class rn
it should indeed be a baseline thing
bronze lance
i havnt had AM since........i dont know
waxen talon
Even for arms too imo
it fits being a warrior so well
They could also bring back Enrage as prot
and ppl ask for demo banner, i dont get ya ;P
Commanding shout is more or less the same.
bronze lance
if we are being honest, i forget to use commanding all the time
sick sentinel
lol AM baseline
bronze lance
ive been getting better with it though, sometimes i just use it to get in the habit of knowing its there
frosty wedge
if I'm in an m+ and I see like, everyone below about60% I'll usually burn it
brisk flax
fuckin lame that we still dont have a way to sim
brisk flax
this shit was like this half of last expansion
the slacking is real
even BRM works on Simc
knotty ermine
It helps with 1 gcd yes, but I was talkin using it as soon as a mob dies and you get a new stack. Gotta make your healer earn their biscuit
frosty wedge
this week is all about that AOE DPS
sick sentinel
Feel free to do the programming needed for the API.
brisk flax
if i knew how i would believe me
bronze lance
what are next week affexes?
brisk flax
cause this shit is extremely annoying
junior igloo
APL is not the problem
bronze lance
ty ty
frosty wedge
FORTIFIED, BOLSTERING, SKITTISH, INFESTED
sick sentinel
Not really. Brain works just fine w/o sim dependancy.
brisk flax
you simming trinkets in your brain too?
cause i like to test out a variety of trinkets
sick sentinel
Not bad affixes.
dusk locust
knotty ermine
Determining trinkets for prot is a fool's errand anyway. You're just trying to figure out which one sucks the least
brisk flax
that is why fuck survival trinkets honestly
they are all terrible so far
cant have decent survivability trinkets go for DPS ones imo
brisk flax
BRM has the loaded dice
signal plover
Blockades/mythrax trinket have been decent surv wise in m uldir for me
junior igloo
Skittish is the same, it's just that we don't have that much extra threat outside of Skittish either ๐
brisk flax
have both they arent that great honestly
bronze lance
i want the wraps from kings rest
brisk flax
Mythrax trinket would be better if it was on demand
sick sentinel
Happily got 375 wf jes howler yesterday in a 10 TD
brisk flax
instead of proc at %
sick sentinel
Feels good
frosty wedge
nice
strong hill
@sick sentinel we all hate you now ๐
frosty wedge
I'm just hoping for some non 340 azerite gear from the weekly
brisk flax
can help with survivability for you and group in a pinch too
brisk flax
it is a nice trinket
frosty wedge
anyone know if we get another free 370 from wwarfront the second time?
strong hill
Yup
frosty wedge
or if that's a once per warfront kind of thing
sick sentinel
Dun forget to farm the rares too.
brisk flax
still i just rock fathoms and trying to pick my second
depends on fight or what im doing though too
bronze lance
i need to level up all my alts for the free 370 gear then
frosty wedge
yeah my BRM is blockades+loaded dice and my DK is blockades+fathoms, lol
brisk flax
really hoping for shoulders
i have had 340 shoulders since the beginning of this expansion
frosty wedge
ooh I wonder if it'll be mythic world tour weekly as well
brisk flax
and been spamming Siege of Boralus
i thought the shield was a bitch to get
lol apparently shoulders are worst for me
strong hill
@brisk flax I think at least half of us have or had the 340 shoulders
sick sentinel
I should spam tol dagor tbh
brisk flax
i have the 340 ones from siege
frosty wedge
yeah I should be spamming TD
frosty wedge
you can't get azerite from m+
frosty wedge
no, lol
sick sentinel
You can't lol
frosty wedge
only from the weekly chest
brisk flax
well fuck my life
frosty wedge
hahahaha
brisk flax
literally gonna be stuck
frosty wedge
poor bastard :p
sick sentinel
Just do your +10 and pray
brisk flax
someone should be fired at blizzard
frosty wedge
I'm at like 360 ilvl wearing 2x 340 azerite pieces because I don't raid
brisk flax
terrible design choice
sick sentinel
Also do arenas and cap conquest
knotty ermine
Unless you raid, you have <100 opportunities to upgrade your azerite gear between now and the end of the expansion (as the system currently stands)
Solid design imo
sick sentinel
I am 370 with a 340 chestpiece because of DC
brisk flax
of course i raid
strong hill
365, 340 shoulders with dc.
brisk flax
but still what 4 - 5 chances at shoulders a week
knotty ermine
that was sarcasm btw. its a terrible design
brisk flax
ya
i hate the azerite gear
it needs to go
imo
i dont see what was wrong with the tier sets
frosty wedge
they just need to make it drop in m+ so you can target it
frosty wedge
I'd even be OK if they capped it so you could only get 370 from m+
waxen talon
Tier set is a horrible design too
brisk flax
Tier Set > Azerite
waxen talon
i like azerite
brisk flax
i dont i think it is retarded
waxen talon
my only main concern with it, is how horribly its tuned
brisk flax
and blizzard did away with paying gold to change specs because people hated it
and then
they add this retarded shit and make you have to pay gold to change it
frosty wedge
at least the gold was capped on spec changing
waxen talon
point is gettin multiple sets
brisk flax
ya i have heard some people have like 20k on that shit
waxen talon
tier was nice in that sense
frosty wedge
yeah, they want you to get multiple sets of azerite ger that they made super rare to pick up outside of raiding
brisk flax
so wtf?
waxen talon
you couldnt farm m+ for tier pieces either.
brisk flax
multiple sets when some people cant even get lucky enough to complete the first set?
junior igloo
Azerite sources are on a weekly lockout, so were sets.
brisk flax
azurite is not = to tier gear
frosty wedge
if they want us to carry multiple sets of gear for different specs they should let us target pieces
waxen talon
Artifact was a bigger setback on offspecs than azerite armor is imo
not to mention legendaries
ppl make it sound like this design ruined everything
infact i think its better than what we had
knotty ermine
Lets not forget you could also bonus roll tier gear as well.
waxen talon
but then again
grim prism
Unless youre one of the poor fuckers who offspecs heals and you have to respec every time you change roles
waxen talon
by making mandatory traits for prot warriors
brisk flax
naw i dont think it ruined everything i just think it is fuckin pointless
grim prism
Which doesnt apply to war
waxen talon
they make it suck by default
frosty wedge
I would be SO much more likely to spam run m+ if it could drop azerite upgrades
brisk flax
you dont have to respec to play arms Balsaq?
grim prism
Read what I wrote
brisk flax
ah misread
grim prism
Lol
junior igloo
You can't respec.
The system is in so that you can fix it if you chose a wrong trait by accident or if they buff/nerf them in a patch.
Changing them regularly between 2 specs is intentionally impossible
waxen talon
if they didnt have traits like that +2sec on demo shout crap
grim prism
I guess its not uncommon
waxen talon
it would be amazing design imo
brisk flax
ya we are fucked cause Lord of War = pretty much mandatory for pvp as arms
waxen talon
it obviously sucks to get high ilvl a armor with shity trait
but o wait, was the case with relics too......
wasnt LoW nerfed so fucking hard
like a week or so ago
knotty ermine
Azerite gear is a shit system, with a terrible path for "progression," in both unlocking traits and also acquiring upgraded azerite pieces. It's okay to say that it sucks, and legendaries sucked in that similar regard, right along with Artifact progression without having to debate which one sucked more.
frosty wedge
but at least relics were just augmenting things you were already getting
grim prism
Yah but its still bis @waxen talon lol
brisk flax
doesnt matter 15% off lord of war still BiS
grim prism
Go figure, right
brisk flax
it was that good
waxen talon
yay for augmenting +5% crit on shield slam.
sick sentinel
or u get the BiS shoulders with DC out of the chest (first week).. as me
brisk flax
even 20% to defensive aint shit honestly
sick sentinel
won the lottery
waxen talon
Gear wise i think BFA is one of the best expansions.
frosty wedge
I got a 370 helm with DC out of the chest firs tw eek
frosty wedge
but I've yet to get a chest or shoulders above 340 from any other source
brisk flax
i think it should have remained how it has been since the beginning.
brisk flax
want to add something? Add an AA system like Everquest 1 has
daring patrol
legion AP was literally the same thing as EQ AA
brisk flax
problem is cant farm it in M+ then you should just be able to pick whatever traits you want out of all the traits for your azerite piece
Or they should add a way to find traits
brisk flax
could bonus roll a tier set
junior igloo
The point of these systems is to slow down your gear progression, so you "have to" log in again next week.
That's why you can't farm them in m+ (or other repeatable content), why you need multiple pieces for multiple specs, why you can't target which one you want (other than coining in raids if they have your preferred traits) etc.
You may not like it and I won't argue that it's good, I'm just saying it's working as intended.
grim prism
Well idk about you guys, but I have 15 days left on my sub and I doubt I'll be renewing at this point. Imo it's just hard to find purpose if you aren't raiding.
Heavily related to Meifferts post above
grim prism
Theyve been abundantly clear that this is precisely what they want
waxen talon
game shouldnt be build around m+.
grim prism
Its just bad design
waxen talon
some gear drops in m+, some in raids
i think its amazing
do both if u want best gear.
grim prism
Everything is a step back from last expac advancement-wise
brisk flax
it is even easier to get gear in PVP then in raids now
grim prism
It is all slower and more RNG-based
grim prism
How so?? You only start geting HEROIC gear above 2.1k
You can be glad and you still wont get mythic-level drops
brisk flax
great you know how many of my guildies have multiple pieces 395 gear from spamming arenas and RBGs?
waxen talon
if ur a god at pvp and shity at raids, maybe ;P
brisk flax
a ton of them
waxen talon
they deserve it lol
brisk flax
half my gear i tank in
waxen talon
if theyre good at pvp give them a cookie
brisk flax
is from RBG
grim prism
I understand them not wanting players to outgear raids in week one through other means of gearing
But you should at least be able to keep pace imo
waxen talon
pvp chest should time gate it plenty
brisk flax
but you can
waxen talon
idk how good the other pvp gear sources are.
brisk flax
if you are good enough lol
junior igloo
It's not that hard to get 1600, which is 370 azerite in weekly cache
grim prism
Not without titanforging @brisk flax
brisk flax
i get like 5 pieces of gear a night
from RBG
at least 1 is WF and a TF a week at the very least
grim prism
No, but 370 azerite in the weekly is not good enough to keep pace with raiding
waxen talon
i'd rather kill mythic bosses than get 2100 rating.
grim prism
Be 2100 and get M+10 gear
ashen flower
So what u guys say about pro buff inc on reset? I think its riddiculus and wont fix shit
grim prism
Its still just heroic uldir ilvl
brisk flax
i was 1600 first day i did RBG lol that shit was easy
grim prism
Good for you, you still arent keeping pace with mythic raiders barring titanforges lol
amber siren
blizzard stated with the changes they're an initial wave of fixes
waxen talon
its a 10man matchup, u cant just call it easy.
grim prism
You can lose more than half your matches and still be 1600 so lets not pretend its anything prestigious lol
junior igloo
Raids are on a weekly lockout.
There is no point comparing.
brisk flax
^
junior igloo
The comparison is with m+, for me at least m+ is easier at a corresponding level
grim prism
So is the cache that drops azerite
brisk flax
if you can spam it it is better
grim prism
Whats your point
ashen flower
@amber siren sure m8 but still i think its riddiculus.
grim prism
M+ is "easier" and +10s only drop heroic loot
Like i said, i get them not wanting people to.outgear mythic
junior igloo
Yes, everything only drops 370+
grim prism
But spamming for TFs shouldnt be the only way to keep pace
junior igloo
Except weekly content
waxen talon
drops equal to hc and u cant tf half the things
- pvp trinkets are usually meh compare to rai
grim prism
Counterpoint: M+ and PvP are not targetable loot
amber siren
@ashen flower If you've been paying attention to the PTR you'd know why it isn't ridiculous.
junior igloo
All items above 370 (without WF/TF) are on a lockout, in a week you can get:
- 1.6 items per full mythic Uldir clear
- 1 item from weekly PvP cache
- 1 item from weekly M+ cache
370 gear, on the other hand, is farmable and you can spam either m+ or rated pvp as much as you want, but it's not azerite and you need WF/TF to get above 370
waxen talon
PVP might be a good way to get gear outside of ur mythic raiding
but i'd say mythic is by far a better source of gear
grim prism
Right. So a few weeks down the road when people have half the raid on farm, those of us who arent raiding will be hosed lol
waxen talon
comes down to rngesus
gotta love those ppl who kill boss 1st time and get their wf /soc trinket n weaps
grim prism
Its just too much artificial gating and RNG for an endgame advancement model
Maybe some people like it
But I, for one, am out
junior igloo
Yeah, sure, is that wrong though?
If you do 5 mythic Uldir bosses, conquest cap at 2.1k and m+10, you get 3 items of high item level (~385).
If you don't raid, you only get 2.
If you raid but don't PvP, you only get 2.
If you don't raid or do dungeons and only PvP, you get 1.
If you don't raid or PvP and only do dungeons, you get 1.
grim prism
Its not "wrong" but I sure as hell don't like it considering the only game modes I have access to are nontargetable
If I could get azerite out of M+ I probably wouldn't give a shit, even if it were capped at 370
knotty ermine
^^^^^
frosty wedge
Yep, even if they capped m+ azerite at 370 for like, the first 4-5 weeks or something
so you don't outgear mythic raids
or make azerite from m+ only 385+ if you're doing a 15
just give people that don't want to raid or pvp some way to advance
static lance
yeah, especially if they want to make m+ a thing.
grim prism
The problem is, I've basically accomplished everything I can possibly accomplish advancementwise aside from getting 
gibs
static lance
they did say they were looking at it, though. not sure what they could do to make it balanced.
grim prism
Do I really want to keep busting my ass just to spin a slot machine?
frosty wedge
make azerite drop from m+ is how they balance it
let people that want to run high end 5 man content actually target and acquire gear.
I don't like enough people to make me want to get into Uldir
lol
grim prism
I dont have nine friends, let alone nineteen
static lance
sure, but m+ is infinitely repeatable, raids are not.
there will be some too-hardcore fucker who will spam m+ for azerite gear
grim prism
Which explains the difference in level cap
Between M+ and mythic
There is no reason for them to make M+ nontargetable and doubledip the shittiness, especially if all azerite traits are intended to be balanced within 1-2% of each other as they claim
static lance
i think they should allow azerite gear from m+, because like you, i don
t raid either
grim prism
Yeah thats all I'm trying to say
The azerite paradigm is what monkeywrenches the whole system for me
static lance
but i also understand their hesitation. maybe only allow up to 2 azerite drops per week? and then possibly 1 more from chest.
lapis pasture
I just don't like the rng of the chests I've gotten 3 azerite chests in a row from my m+ chest the last 3 weeks
I guess I have one for all 3 of my specs though....yay
Chest pieces from mythic box to make that easier to read lmao
knotty ermine
Tbh even if they just added 1 azerite piece along with a rando piece, the system would feel far, far better. Ideally I would love to be able to target and farm azerite pieces, but if they want to slow things down I think this would be a good way of doing it without feeling like absolute dog shit when you get a non-azerite piece from one or both chests.
But then, I'm also salty because I have the incredible misfortune of receiving the same 370 ring from my pvp chest 2 weeks in a row, so its a bit of a sore topic for me.
bronze lance
Give some m+ currency that you can spend to increase your chance of loot. By slot. By specific peice. From dungeon. Each one is a different price and gives more %
frosty wedge
man - I have 4 chars at 120 - and I got 0 usable items from my m+ chest last week on all 4
sand egret
I actually liked the idea of a M+ token
frosty wedge
I also got gold + AP from lion's roar AND the world boss
on all 4
@bronze lance so... justice points?
sand egret
Doesn't sound like it. I think they meant more of a way to boost drop rates, like the 3oC from Destiny
lapis pasture
I miss justice and valor points
lapis pasture
As well as honor points and pvp gear
frosty wedge
it was nice to be always progressing towards something
sand egret
they had problems, for sure, but the one thing they got right was determinisim
frosty wedge
even if they gave us a mechanism by which to upgrade azerite pieces
sand egret
I'd just want a currency that is generated from M+ runes that you can "dump" into whatever to influence what you get our of your cache
like, "definitely don't need a cloak?" + dump all your stuff to remove cloaks from the pool. yada yada
frosty wedge
yeah fair
it'd also be cool if like, you could dictate that the items you got came from whatever dungeon was your highest run that week or something
some way to target gear
sand egret
so the most dedicated can make it fairly reliable to get an azerite piece. There could even be a per-dungeon loot table thing, like the currency was tied to the dungeon. Doing a billion TD runs would make a high chance to get TD loot from your cache
yeah, basically
sand egret
yep, which this would also solve
weight your drops towards weapons > target that dungeon + pray a bit
frosty wedge
my BrM is like 360ish with a 345 weapon
sand egret
yeah i got a 370 bow from my warfront thing on my hunter alt
like wtf
dude has no business having that good a weapon haha
frosty wedge
and that 345 was a warforge from a warfront run when i first hit 120
lapis pasture
360 warrior is still rocking his 340 shield
frosty wedge
๐ฆ
sand egret
im dual 345s for my SnS, but my Sword has leech
soo i'm just set for life
(it helps me sleep at night)
frosty wedge
๐ฆ I'm lucky enough to be 370/370
chilly brook
365/370 here
But hey thatโs what happens when you canโt upgrade your azerite pieces
tight tree
I would have shield way faster if not that personal loot BS ๐ฌ
chilly brook
Trust me we all feel you there
earnest zinc
A lot would be solved if they would let Azerite pieces drop in M+
earnest zinc
They could make it significantly lower than the other pieces if they wanted, but just make it possible
chilly brook
I mean when azerite makes up a good 1/3rd of dungeon drops it makes loot tables so convoluted
vagrant cape
Honestly I don't care how prot warriors are in bleeding-edge progression or pushing insane m+ levels, I just love the feeling I get when I ask a healer how healing me felt and they say "8/10 great stuns" on a +9 atal
like, that's the good feeling I live for as a tank
sick sentinel
Also, pug healers adding you on btag after a +9/+10
vagrant cape
and they didn't even say "for a prot warrior" and I almost cried
that's a fantastic feeling
this +9 atal was my first key I've completed on time at a 9 or higher
it was smooth as butter
thanks to a DK and a frost mage
vocal nimbus
Congrats
sick sentinel
We lost a +10 underrot last week for 30 sec ...
vagrant cape
MCing the zombies is so good
damn, that must feel rough on your raider.io, captain ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
Pulled one too many worms and died
sick sentinel
Oh no I meant the caster boys
vagrant cape
"I death bolt the darkness!"
blissful imp
Are there girls there?!
sick sentinel
It was also my mistake,sadly
chilly brook
What is a girl?
sick sentinel
Idk why, but both in M+ and in the raids, every week I do more and more mistakes
sick sentinel
Well after 3 hours wiping on HC mythraxx...
strong forum
Wiping on hc, yikes
sick sentinel
We are a casual raiding guild
Most of the time there are about 4-5 people not there
signal plover
No one is spreading for balls eh?
chilly brook
Tbf wiping on heroic Zul is perfectly doable ๐
sick sentinel
Because of irl stuff
strong forum
We had to replace 50% our roster cuz quitters...
sick sentinel
We wiped on zul for 3 hours on Sunday
strong forum
Feelsbadman
delicate prism
solid mist
@sick sentinel define casual, what's your raid sched like
sick sentinel
Wed/sun 20:00-2300
But we are never "the whole team" as people are always missing with IRL stuff
solid mist
24 hour clock hell yeah
sick sentinel
We did Zul without a dk for example
solid mist
sure
I'm just getting tired of pugging. but with a kid and work and busy life, hard to figure out what I'd want to even commit to
chilly brook
To be honest 24 hour clock is the only clock that makes sense
solid mist
indeed
sick sentinel
I don't personally like it that much but it causes the less confusions so I use it
uneven mason
Whole world shuld be on a 24 hour GMT 0 clock
digital arrow
@solid mist tell me about it buddy, pugging is exhausting. makes me wish i had a group with the same casual schedule as i
sick sentinel
Well since our guild is from all over Europe we use realm time
But I can see your point @uneven mason
digital arrow
i've a question for anyone used to dealing with necrotic.. what's a good number of stacks at which u gtfo
uneven mason
when your health stops going back up
cosmic pasture
solid mist
@digital arrow like... I'm killing bosses but MY GOD THE DOWNTIME
sick sentinel
I would suggest when you think you have enough aggro
solid mist
it's brutal
uneven mason
its totally up to your gear your healer and the dungeon
digital arrow
and is weakaura the addon to use when u want to have a huge necro debuff icon in the middle of ur screen? or is that another addon
uneven mason
yes, thats WA
digital arrow
@uneven mason that's usually the case with prot warrior with or without necro lol
heath stops going up
digital arrow
once its at like half, i'm already thinking of exit strats