crisp dawn
ye how much they dont trust prot
#protection
tender imp
sup, just killed myhrax mythic on prot, AMA
arctic scroll
any Ideas for necrotic Galvazzt (third Boss in Temple of Sethraliss)? Cannot reset my stacks there -.- boss always moves to fast for me leaping around
arctic scroll
of course.... not -.-
ember arrow
well
uhm
no melee?
pets cant taunt bosses
so it must be an actual player taunt
arctic scroll
called it quits... 3 players in teamspeak and 2 randoms +9 xD guess my optimistic side went nuts again
storm isle
tree ents or earth ele?
ember arrow
neither can taunt bosses
storm isle
ok
ember arrow
i prefer treants for trash
theyre a godsend
and short cd
@arctic scroll you missed the fun part
the eye room
with necrotic
arctic scroll
O.o
ember arrow
u need frostmage to do all the work
dont even touch the adds
necrotic does require to preplan if bosses cant reset stacks
arctic scroll
just thought about it "fast and easy and fun"
solid mist
my vid card died. playing on integrated graphics. pretty wild playing at like the "2" setting ont he graphics presets. UI is all crips and clear and the game is just a mess that looks like a PS1 game
ember arrow
i play at 2
all the time
its definitely not a ps1 game
in raids at least
if i play at 3 or more i drop below 90fps
arctic scroll
ty levko, going to close discord again
ember arrow
ait
solid mist
lack of AA is pretty rough. especially going from really high settings down to that. pretty fun
solid mist
ahhh, kudos to them for making it work across lots of different systems though
ember arrow
i do turn on projected textures
that way u can see ground effects regardless of setting
uneven mason
WoW runs on my little A6 integrated laptop at 2 around 40FPS
sick sentinel
are [Azerite Veins] worth stacking?
uneven mason
I mean, @ember arrow Its more of a "Relative to all previous work they've done" they actually did optimization with this Xpac
ember arrow
since in raids stray healing spells heal u to full often
uneven mason
It actually runs better on lower end systems in BFA than it did on 1080ti's in Legion
since they converted to full 64bit to handle the backend
no more resource capping
I mean, watching a 3000$ gaming rig chug in SUramar was hilarious, because it would fill up the GPUs ram by rendering AA and shadows on stuff that was out of line of sight
gaunt coyote
are there any bfa legendaries?
uneven mason
No
"Not yet"
I doubt after the backlash they got for how silly the RNG of Legion Legos were that we'll see them
gaunt coyote
any bets on amanthuls model?
uneven mason
if we do it'll be the standard "Meta quest chain"
sick sentinel
@ember arrow yes, for M+ so: 2x Azerite Veins + 1x Strength in Numbers ? no idea, how valid are traits like Adaptive Shielding and Crystaline Carpace (could have one of each)
uneven mason
CC is really good
"Ablative" shielding
is also alright. tbh though, its not going to save you vs whats actually dangerous to us in dungeons (Casters/non armor mitigateable)
sick sentinel
yeah .. getting nuked in kings rest
uneven mason
Zul is a trip
sick sentinel
^^
and is it better to go 2x Iron Fortress or 1x Iron Fortress and 1x Brace for Impact
open bluff
sick sentinel
kk
mortal pike
Have to get really lucky if you can pick and choose this much
sick sentinel
its just 340s
rng ftw.. only 2 chest meantime I can open shop with shoulders -.-
uneven mason
Yeah
I got the same thing
I finally got a DC chestpiece
so I could wear my 385helm/370 shoulders
but I had like 3 copies of the 7th legion chest, and 1 BFI chest
mortal pike
All I want is 385 DC
uneven mason
farm dem +10s
mortal pike
preferably not in 3 months
mortal pike
Great fun being 374 with a 340 piece ๐
uneven mason
yup
sick sentinel
The Grand Scheme
uneven mason
368, waring that 340 emmisary chest +++
sick sentinel
fasion > stats
uneven mason
DC > all
primal crypt
DC is aight
uneven mason
I tested a normal run without DC wearing a 370 Chest..
was about 8% higher damage taken
sick sentinel
I too liike to live dangerously
uneven mason
DC is bestest
uneven mason
means you have to focus on keeping DS for times when bursts come in for sure.
thorny canyon
err i mean, teaching prot warr specifically
uneven mason
start there.
thorny canyon
๐
sick sentinel
guides at wowhead and icy-veins -.-
uneven mason
especially the section on "Common Mistakes"
thorny canyon
yeah ive read em, but i learn more from acting it out, but okay
ill come back
sorry
uneven mason
Prot is a complex one ๐
thorny canyon
like situational explanations help more so than icyveins
primal crypt
"wHaTs ShIeLd SlAm?"
mental scarab
Need to learn what you can block and what not
ember arrow
if u want situational explanations, then ask us about specific eistuations?
thorny canyon
i was asking if someone was willing to do a 1:1 voice thing kinda deal but its ok
ill go read some more and check some more vids
praying prot warrior is the GOAT for bfa eventually ๐
mental scarab
๐
gleaming viper
any of the icy veins guides written by @fierce juniper are legit
key for raiding is knowing what skills can be blocked by block or spell block, its not many though.
and just being coordinated with your healer if youre gonna miss a CD
kinda need like a healer watching u at all times
healers too used to monk and blood dk tanks that self heal more than some healers in the raid
gleaming viper
maybe not monk but in the normal pug i threw together our BDK was healing more than the bottom healer a few times and we kicked those healers lol
ember arrow
thats... not how it works
bdk HEALING scales with dmg taken
if he gets healed by healers alot, he doenst self heal much
also, looking at a dk's hps alone is worthless
steel mauve
^
steel mauve
Jist because he beats a healer doesnt mean the healer is bad, it could honestly mean he took dmg he should have and had to heal himself up
gleaming viper
healer was bad too
steel mauve
Standing too long in talocs blood pools to heal himself and shit
gleaming viper
our good healers had almost 3x the amount of healing done than the guys we kicked
ember arrow
to look if the healers did a good job u gotta get into logs
if dps stand in fire, and must be healed, healers get mroe hps
thats not good for instance
steel mauve
And monks dont really self heal for shit like barely more than us
ember arrow
unless u got 3 azerite veins
then its like a dk
its ridiculous
well maybe not taht much
but its alot
steel mauve
High hps doesnt mean effective healing
sick sentinel
does stacking AZ veins makes it proc more often?
steel mauve
No, just the amount
sick sentinel
looking at a BDK's HEALING and not understanding thats how his specc works smh
fervent harness
lol thats retarded xD
azure rampart
Hey, fellow Prot-Warriors. does Protection Warrior, has any kind of Softcaps, that i need to aquire ?
junior ivy
i dont think so
azure rampart
im Currently at ilvl 359, with 14% Crit 13% Haste 29% Mastery
primal crypt
Get to ilvl 385
azure rampart
-.-
azure rampart
i had high hopes for a good answer from you
azure rampart
true dat
primal crypt
no caps
just get more gear
profit
only thing that really matters is azerite traits
haste feels better though
copper tendon
anyone know how much haste we need to get shield block down to 12 sec cd ?
azure rampart
are we able to do that ?
copper tendon
i currently with 4 stack array and 5 stack into the fray got 43% haste and i am still at 13 sec cd
azure rampart
.<
copper tendon
yer i know
primal crypt
EZ
copper tendon
but my question was if any knew how much we need to get there
azure rampart
try with some Haste buffs like Bloodlust
jade tartan
would you take IV on vectis?
ember arrow
why
sick sentinel
How do I get a piece with deafening crash on it that's over 325
๐ค
I see nothing in Uldir with DC
ember arrow
m+ chest
copper tendon
you have to get lucky from m+ chest
sick sentinel
What's a real way of getting one
jade tartan
guys would you take IV on vectis mythic?
ember arrow
no why would u take IV ever
jade tartan
its decent to counter the add mechanic
copper tendon
but that 15% haste though
primal crypt
LUL
azure rampart
listen to levko
ember arrow
first person to say that
frosty river
How do you guys stay motivated with Prot, when almost daily I get turned away or even laughed at for queing as a prot warrior in M+
azure rampart
lel
no Sarcasm here
its Warrior Lounge
and... ill try to stay as friendly, as i can
even if the Internet is Hell
ember arrow
community perception of prot was bad in legion too
primal crypt
LUL
ember arrow
i got a good score over time so i got accepted often. And you can always go with guild/friends
mental scarab
I get alot of 8+ grps ๐ค
mental scarab
Depends ivl maybe
ember arrow
you could od a +10 with antorus gear
mental scarab
๐ค
vagrant cape
You could do a +10 with 4 people instead of five if you have an afternoon free
ember crest
I get asked to do +10s a lot just due to our dps, play to the strengths, were great OT in Uldir too, mother adds, thrash tanking, p2 ghuun explosive corruption running etc
onyx sky
uhm, where do we go for simming EHP?
just heard we getting buffs
5% more stam= how much hp and vanguard giving 5% more armour from str
need somewhere to see what that does to EHP
onyx sky
only used the guides so far :X
ember arrow
your answer is right there
primal crypt
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
onyx sky
kinda missed the pins
slender needle
guys, I'm a bit confused about what trinkets I should take, I've got blockades equipped, other than that I have rezan 370, fathoms, animated blood 370, static vers /w str use 370 (pvp), syringe & disc of systematic regression 385, ghuun 370 and vers with str proc 355 (pvp). None of these feels very intuitive to pick as tank apart from blockades obviously. Any advice?
steel mauve
Also physically impossible to sim prot war
slender needle
I guess looking at a survival PoV for starters
onyx sky
can sim the passive
ember arrow
defensively
steel mauve
Cant
onyx sky
but ye, thanks for pointing out the pins
ember arrow
take blockades and highest ilvl strength trinket
primal crypt
^
ember arrow
np
primal crypt
Rezans is so nice tho
ember arrow
most trinkets are ๐ฉ
steel mauve
There are no working dps sims for prot warrior and its impossible to sim defensively
primal crypt
mmmmm delicious
slender needle
so str alone is worth it, no matter if the proc is poop? I mean I've tried around a bit, even with Rezans cuz it shows as decent on icy veins, but the haste proc doesn't really feel very noticable
ember arrow
all procs are underwhelming
steel mauve
Tank trinkets are kind of garbage
ember arrow
they wanted to get away from stat sticks and made trinkets procs that do nothing
primal crypt
because yolo str
ember arrow
making them stat sticks
ember crest
I'm double crit proc str trinks, it's the life
slender needle
hm alright, would you pick high str trinket (385) over blockades aswell?
or blockades and a high str trinket
primal crypt
Bockades is the only exception
it's still a really good trinket
BUT
you can just be a jew like me and not buy it
because gold
slender needle
I already have it though ๐
slender needle
it's so cheap compared to getting multiple fathoms
onyx sky
blockades is dirt cheap though
slender needle
alrighty ๐
primal crypt
haven't checked my server on how much it's dropped
last time I checked it was still over 100k
...
onyx sky
lol how
primal crypt
no idea
onyx sky
wasnt even that high on launch week here
slender needle
๐ฎ I think it's only fathoms at that price here
blockades on draenor EU, 13k ๐
slender needle
even fathoms has dropped to 74k only now, dirtcheap ๐
primal crypt
wowowow
slender needle
oh another thing, is stamina flask worth if over str flask?
ember arrow
i can tell you a situation where it is worth
slender needle
thinking of the str adds enough effective health to outvalue stam
ember arrow
if youre undergeared offtanking fetid
ember arrow
at least on dk
primal crypt
go balls deep
ember arrow
get aht 280k hp
primal crypt
always str
steel mauve
I never use stam flask
primal crypt
blame healers if you die
slender needle
I'm at a different issue completely, I'm at 370 (in "tankgear", trying to cut crit), and apparently going to help tanking ghuun M for a few nights while one of our tanks are away ๐ kill me
tribal valley
inner trail
no your character must be bugged
chrome falcon
is there any way to see on skada how much damage i mitigate with safeguard
cinder nova
@chrome falcon details might
quartz blade
What part of Zek Voz combo can be reflected?
mellow bridge
you cant reflect anything
you can use the DR part of it tho to reduce the dmg you take
Void lash you can reduce with SR and Shatter is blockable
chrome falcon
Anyone got advice for stopping omega vector double stacking on vectis
Happening every fucking pull
errant wing
spacial awareness
gleaming viper
haste > mastery/vers > crit?
getting too many pieces that are like mastery/vers and a diff one thats haste crit
so used to playing a dps class and mindless plugging shit into raidbotgs
woeful reef
Generally speaking ilvl is what matters cause the stats are close
Those are the best order tho for similar ilvl
real rover
how do you get aggro from the tank add in mother mythic at an instant?`
15 adds at once make it impossible for me to taunt it instantly
gleaming viper
yeah so for example same ilevel 248str 403stam 94crit 121 haste or (same str and stamn) 112 vers 103 mastery
@real rover taunt it
set focus target and mouseover taunt
or focus target your second tank and cast assist on him taunt
real rover
focus target on what?
gleaming viper
oh u just mean little blob adds?
gleaming viper
tunder clap and revenge shockwave hope for best
real rover
I am not allowed to shockwave
and till I tabbed through 15 adds usually one dd already got hit by a 120k meele hit from it
gleaming viper
you can taunt leap taunt shockwave or something idk
erm thunderclap
doesnt seem like prot has a good aoe pickup
other than that
real rover
okay I somehow made it with leap clap revenge clap
umbral raptor
What's better, Avoidance or Leech?
chilly brook
Both are gonna end up minuscule
umbral raptor
cause i have both similar rings and they give the same leech or avoidance
plush glade
Then taunting it
real rover
thats fair
hasty sapphire
just got the azerite chest from mythic vectis and coined it aswell ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Some guys have some tips for fetid?`
is it even possible to offtank as prot?
chilly brook
Secondary stats on the rings? @umbral raptor
umbral raptor
yeah
chilly brook
@hasty sapphire you can easily off tank fetid
chilly brook
Just make sure you have SB LS or SW up for the thrash
cinder nova
and sockets are tertiary too I guess
chilly brook
What I was asking is what are the secondary stats on the rings, you said they were similar but not the same
@umbral raptor
umbral raptor
nah it doesn't matter, one has more haste than the other.
real rover
@plush glade Is there a way to make the macro only use taunt when I got the correct target and not any target? e.g. when there is no add with the specified name
/tar Resistant Bacterium /cast Taunt
neat harbor
did I hear right from someone that blizzard was trolling us in the next patch?
chilly brook
Well it does matter
neat harbor
like they gave us 200 armor or some shit
chilly brook
You said one has more haste but what is itโs other stat?
umbral raptor
vers
ember arrow
@neat harbor trolling?
neat harbor
yes
chilly brook
Ok and the other ring?
ember arrow
what are you on about
umbral raptor
haste vers but vers is more
blissful imp
~256 for me
neat harbor
utter troll confirmed
blissful imp
/flex
chilly brook
Then yea go with the one that has more haste
Those are your best secondaries anyways
blissful imp
It's like I'm getting an extra set of bracers on tuesday
neat harbor
those "buffs" are a literal troll
blissful imp
watch out PUG world
chilly brook
You mean the hotfix buffs?
neat harbor
whatever is in the pins
chilly brook
They work out to be ~5% more EHP thatโs not really trolling at all
neat harbor
its garbage.
hasty sapphire
how much dmg does the thrash do on mythic fetid?
neat harbor
doesnt solve IP, doesnt solve no sustain, doesnt solve active mit issues
chilly brook
Itโs not like we canโt do content right now......
Expect those changes with 8.1 hello
neat harbor
sure we can do content were just worse than nearly everyone else at it
ember arrow
yes
chilly brook
Weโre on par
neat harbor
no were fucking not.
ember arrow
huh
neat harbor
repeating that wont make it true
ember arrow
on par with arms warriors in tanking
chilly brook
Mechanically we are on par
waxen cradle
More or less a almost 4% health buff and a armor buff so small it makes me wonder why they bothered
blissful imp
look at the grand scheme guys
chilly brook
Please show me a prot warrior playing correctly that doesnโt end up on par with other tanks
blissful imp
we'll go into the last content patch
and this buff will be huge
and then they will nerf us
cause no forsight
chilly brook
Because logs sure seem to support that
neat harbor
Griff how about
show me an actual mythic prog guild that uses a prot warr
then maybe Ill agree with you
chilly brook
Lul ez
ember arrow
uhh
ember arrow
its not about who does m raiding
chilly brook
Lalaโs guild
neat harbor
Sense? You mean like the only prot warr in the M+ ranking in the world? omegalul
ember arrow
if u play warr optimally u will be weaker than a optimally plyed brm
thats just a fact
stiff gate
Classic prot warrior discord: โitโs just a skill issue LUL just play the class properlyโ go look at Mythic raid representation and high key representation how tf is prot warr on par??
chilly brook
This isnโt how that works lol
chilly brook
@stiff gate because 90% of the playerbase doesnโt play the class correctly?
neat harbor
show me 5% representation in M raids.
waxen cradle
The main issue I have with Prot is what Levko just said if played near perfect or perfect we are still weaker then BRM or DK
chilly brook
Itโs really not surprising
neat harbor
then Ill agree
Ignore pain is my biggest issue frankly
its just a steaming hot pile of dogshit
stiff gate
It doesnโt matter. You play the class properly and you are still weaker than every tank except possibly bear in high keys. You bring nothing except aoe dps, since Safeguard is way less useful this xpac
chilly brook
When the bar continually changes how could one possibly ever convince you
chilly brook
Like I said you continue to change the bar
neat harbor
dummie of course when I said show me a guild, I didnt mean literally one guild
chilly brook
@waxen cradle when you compare the damage intake and healing between prot and DK itโs a wash in terms of healing required
neat harbor
I mean show me guilds actually using prot warrior in Mythic
final mist
Drop this shit and move on, I'm done with seeing this same shitty convo over and over again.
chilly brook
And I showed you three?
cinder nova
Representation of a class is not alone a statement of its health
chilly brook
Use your language skills and donโt use a singular when you want multiple
stiff gate
People keep quoting that DK comparison but if you watch any high key run with a DK healer can basically ignore them between bonestorm uptime and amazing kite potential.
ember arrow
๐ฟ
neat harbor
๐
waxen cradle
Honestly I would have a lot more respect for the devs if they blue posted and literally said we can't buff you in any meaningful way right now without making you OP so for now we gave you a tiny buff because we do not want prot to have to go through multiple nerfs later when we make more major changes later
neat harbor
well the azerite system more than shows they didn't have time to "finish" bfa before release
feels like beta testing still going on
so not surprising to me that some specs are still broken
waxen cradle
The main issue I do have is why buff our health by less then 4% and our armor by less then 2% when really that will have no impact on us as tanks
primal crypt
Big Red Button vs Doom's Fury
broken kite
Obviously just a stopgap
primal crypt
๐ฆ
ember arrow
@neat harbor traits are always more beneficial than secondarystats
primal crypt
I like the button, but the fury is nice with TC
ember arrow
regardless what u might think
primal crypt
@ember arrow HALP
ember arrow
sup
waxen cradle
I mean lets take Legion for example, we were not the best tanks in M+ by a large margin at all but the diversity of tanks in say M+ has never been smaller
final mist
What ilevel are they Yamorino?
primal crypt
both 370
chilly brook
final mist
Button, probably.
primal crypt
yeah, button is pretty high on the list for most of the dps
waxen cradle
I played a paladin and they felt pretty solid also
primal crypt
a lot of them use the button for ST and AoE
neat harbor
@waxen cradle Because they promised us defense buffs, ran out of time before they could actually figure out how to implement said buffs, and gave us some cheesy shit so they wouldnt look like liars.
broken kite
Dk was way better
primal crypt
It was only DK/DH
final mist
DK was the "only viable choice" for high pushing or competitive.
chilly brook
I also seem to remember an MDI team with a BrM monk?
final mist
Gap is much smaller now.
And you can't say that for sure Eranorz, you have zero clue what goes on at Blizzard.
neat harbor
@waxen cradle "traits are always more beneficial than secondarystats" What? Pretty sure noone is arguing otherwise, I said the az system in its current state is still broken
broken kite
I mean people can spectate based on what they do/say
final mist
Buffs until the patch were most likely always going to be % buffs, because it's the easiest way to buff the spec.
chilly brook
^
final mist
Mechanical changes to the spec aren't going to be hotfixed in - otherwise the Elemental changes would be live already.
broken kite
"hm should we buff ip values or armour/stam" ๐ค
final mist
Most people playing the spec make mistakes and get punished severely. These changes lessen the impact of those mistakes.
chilly brook
Itโs almost like they actually talked about this before the buff
final mist
That's the point of them.
waxen cradle
Exactly @broken kite why buff our stam/armor when it will have near zero impact
final mist
It's a roughly 5% EHP boost total, that's not insignificant or zero impact.
chilly brook
I feel like thereโs an echo
final mist
It's decent.
neat harbor
its insignificant as to whether you will survive shit or not.
lavish oracle
Is it worth losing 200 haste on a ring for a 20 ilvl bump? Probably, right?
final mist
It's not amazing, but it's nowhere near insignificant.
chilly brook
A 5% EHP buff is insignificant? ๐ค
neat harbor
its not enough to change the status quo
final mist
They're not looking to make us the best tanks with these changes.
lavish oracle
I think it's more to tide us over until 8.1 changes
sacred roost
I have a 340 Briny Barnacle and a 325 Dadalea's Wing, should I be using the Wing?
neat harbor
still no sustain, still active mit uptime issues, still broken IP
chilly brook
Do I need to link the blue post again?
final mist
And they're afraid of overbuffing us when we have incoming PTR changes.
signal plover
^
final mist
We can be fine with zero sustain, because we mitigate much more damage upfront than every other tank.
neat harbor
I thought those were the changes?
final mist
It's almost like there's been 2 PTR builds pushed and more coming.
neat harbor
you keep linking that post griff
final mist
Did you think they were just going to remove our Mastery and call us fixed?
neat harbor
as if it will clear all the confusion
chilly brook
Because itโs relevant
sacred roost
Anyone?
neat harbor
no I just read the pins headline "prot buffs"
chilly brook
โI wouldnโt expect it to fix everything but it should help while we look into further changesโ
Use
final mist
They are buffs, no matter how you view them.
neat harbor
k so those listed changes are hotfix, not patch updates?
chilly brook
Yes.....
final mist
They're listed as hotfixes in the post Marok linked.
waxen cradle
I do not want to be the best tank by any means but even after these changes if people have to choose between bring a DK/DH/Monk to M+ or a Warrior the other 3 will still beat us out because even played near or perfectly the average player base will pick one of the other 3. How to fix this I am not really sure but I do not see the average M+ groups looking for a tank viewing us any different then they do now after Tuesday
sacred roost
the 5% changes don't happen till tuesday.
lavish oracle
No need to insult people's intelligence for it, Griff
neat harbor
its ok hes a dumbfuck who thinks prot is actually viable, his insults dont really bother me
chilly brook
@lavish oracle after linking so much prevalent information and it being in front of his eyes in the post he is ranting about I think itโs not exactly out of left field
final mist
$mute Eranorz#1435 12h
turbid robinBOT
Done.
final mist
$mute Griff (Matt)#6569 12h
turbid robinBOT
Done.
final mist
Insulting others because they insult you doesn't make it right.
I've warned all of you multiple times to chill and not play that shit, because I don't want it here.
sacred roost
By the way, how did soemone wind up with 13.8% mitigation on a 5% buff?
math seems wrong there.
daring marlin
.....
waxen cradle
Why insult people period what are we children ? Talk about things and act like adults I come here to ask the people pushing Prot Warrior to its extreme limits what they think because maybe not all see it that way but a lot of people especially M+ pugs view us as trash
The answer admittedly would be don't pug yes, but thats not always realistic for all
unreal pewter
furva are you saying my math is wrong?
vocal nimbus
Prot warrior acceptance isnt a balance issue sadly
lavish oracle
I honestly think all the Mythic raiders making videos at the end of beta saying that prot was trash hurt us more than our actual balance issues did, haha
vocal nimbus
You cant balance how pugs react to a prot warrior applying to anything
sick sentinel
You can thank Sco for the trash view.
waxen cradle
True but I can guarantee I get into M+ groups MUCH easier on my DK then my Warrior and my warrior is geared better
vocal nimbus
You dont need to guarantee anything
That just happens
But thats something that blizzard cant change
waxen cradle
And I can assure you the gear would have almost no impact on why they take my DK over my Warrior
sick sentinel
And majority bad players playing prot think itd be simple like the other tanks. Leaves to further false impressions.
daring marlin
Community perception is obviously a thing.
How about just make your own groups? You'll never run into that problem.
ember arrow
uhhh
people join
"lol warr tank"
and leave
unless you mean guild/friends
then yes
mellow bridge
It's honestly not as big of an issue as youre making it out to be lol
lucid bough
No, they know that warrior needs more skill to be played so theyll not leave
its all they say here
waxen cradle
What it boils down to me is what I want to play versus what I could play and probably have a easier time that is the majority of my annoyance. I mean sure I can play my DK and have a much easier time but I enjoy the Prot Warrior and always have and it feels I am punished for it and that Feelsbadman
lavish oracle
Yeah, I've only had people criticise warriors once or twice in pugs, but I do get wait-listed a bunch
daring marlin
What a hilariously absurd thing to say.
unreal pewter
its easy to get people to stay in 10+ keys
lucid bough
ya lol
unreal pewter
but try doing a 13-14 on a prot warrior vs dk or dh
the top end for prot warrior is alot lower then other classes
and it having the higher amount of skill required adds to the problem
lavish oracle
At least we're not guardian ๐
unreal pewter
7 button bear vs 16 button prot
lucid bough
Thank God i have 2 degrees to play prot. TClap spam really needs it
sacred roost
Guardian druid is second best raid tank, according to method anyhow.
lavish oracle
On an unrelated note, is it worth losing 200 haste on a ring for a 20 ilvl buff? probably, right?
final mist
Yes.
wild bolt
@lavish oracle you bet.
chilly valley
Yes, it's fine
lavish oracle
๐
wild bolt
What is the recommended ilvl upgrade amt to disregard secondaries? 10 ilvls?
waxen cradle
Its funny they said it was the second best raid tank when they used 2 monks but on the bleeding edge of content(such as world first) no one was gonna play anything but what was the most powerful so druids being second best I find funny
wild bolt
kk.
waxen cradle
Where do we rank trinkets item level wise still Blockades and Jes Howler or did Rezan's over take it
I ask because I do have a 370 Veiled Eye and my Jes Holwer is 355 so the extra strength would seem good but the affect on the eye is so trash really
waxen cradle
68k damage does not seem significant unless I just save it for a magic attack but its still 68k and thats it
errant wing
the rogue and dh i run mythics with have w/a for when i use the howler
ember arrow
howler is deffo great for m+
sick sentinel
Prot is 16 buttons... ?
ember arrow
hmm
sick sentinel
Feels like 9 to me
broken kite
I quite like veiled eye
sick sentinel
Irrelevant since it's still fewer and far too easy vs vanilla-wotlk days.
broken kite
Seeing the debuff is a bit annoying though
daring marlin
I need to get a howler tbh
Haven't gotten to play with it yet at all
Hasn't dropped yet D:
daring marlin
I mostly use blockades/syringe/fathoms/dread glad's
elfin apex
is there an updated website for bfa racials for all races? can only find old ones
chrome falcon
Jesus I never really realised how punishing prot is when you fuck up
digital arrow
YEAH
chrome falcon
I let my mitigation drop for a second on Vectis and he punches me for 92k at the same time as a 40k tick from the dot
Thank god for this armour buff ๐ ๐ ๐
ember arrow
92k seems normal to me
reef patrol
Check on raidbots @cloud bone
cloud bone
do we have sims now?
ember arrow
lol
devout musk
i'm considering doing some mythic+/raid tanking as prot.. i've been really studying the hell out of the rotation and putting it into effect
but is there anyone available that i can ask some questions that has experience tanking in both or either?
elfin apex
start low and work your way up
devout musk
wanted to just ask some questions about rotation, etc. make sure i'm on the right track
junior ivy
just ask, theres probably lots of people on who can answer
devout musk
so last stand and shield wall have overlapping mitigation, right? like an "oh shit" moment where you stakc both is actually hurtful and not beneficial, rightr?
vocal nimbus
Depends on the situation
ember arrow
if u need both to survive, you are soakign somethign thats not meant to be tanked
or u didnt swap
devout musk
mkay
and the general premise is to keep shield block up as much as possible, using ignore pain in between casts?
shield block - 6 seconds, (revenge when free) and slam/devastate .. after 6 seconds, ignore pain, swap into block?
prot warrior feels like a fine line between not over stacking your damage mitigation and keeping all of it in a steady rotation
elfin apex
you're making it sound like a rotation
devout musk
well it's circumstantial more, yers?
using the right tool for the job
but at the same time, there does need to be a rotation as per the situation shouldn't there?
i'm trying to get back into prot from the days of sunder armor, thunder clap, rise and repeat
elfin apex
what you just wrote hurt my head, we're warriors here mate keep it simple
devout musk
hehe hence why i'm here! i'm approaching it fundamentally wrong ๐ฆ
devout musk
right and i read that
devout musk
well my explanation didn't get me anywhere, so let me ask this - how do you approach playing prot warrior
fierce juniper
If you're tanking something that's blockable, which is pretty much always, you want as much Shield Block uptime as possible. Then you spend any additional rage you have on Ignore Pain to further smooth out damage.
devout musk
hahah nvm brotha.. thanks for your time though, appreciate it
ahh gotcha
so ignore pain should be prioritized over anything that's not free
devout musk
i see
and nothing's changed with the azerite trait priority, right?
most of the buffs/nerfs seem to have been to arms/fury
fierce juniper
Yeah
sick sentinel
yikes.
devout musk
and unlike arms/fury
you only want to do defeaning crash once, because stacking it isn't beneficial, right?
elfin apex
Yep
primal crypt
on what.....
distant socket
primal crypt
@distant socket
sick sentinel
uhhh... huh.
primal crypt
uh huh
chrome steppe
hey tank guys o/
your opinions on Gemhide vs Impassive Visage?
primal crypt
@chrome steppe Follow the icyveins.
chrome steppe
which rate them the same ๐
sweet orchid
Then go with whatever one seems more sensible to you.
chrome steppe
Fair enough ๐
rustic needle
ilvl or traits
orchid flame
traits
rustic needle
ok
rustic needle
i have a 370 with bad traits vs 340 optimal traits
orchid flame
oh, Ill have to pass on that one, disregard what I said
orchid flame
yeah
also depends on play style where it comes to dps, if youre shooting for more aoe or st or a specific type of fight etc
but ultimately it's just "what does the most damage"
rustic needle
i just want more survivalbilty
signal plover
If the trait is not DC then take the ilvl
slim lake
if there a website to show all dungeon, what trash or boss using what skill is physical or magical ?
steel mauve
wowhead?
slim lake
even for trash ?
stiff gate
You can search wowdb for specific mobs and look at all their spells to check things like range/los requirement/spell school/base damage
slim lake
i was hoping if someone kind to create a site that conslidate all the dungeons trash. lol
actually nvm what i said.
solid mist
I mean. there are some good WAs that will help you figure out what to kick/reflect/use block/ kite/etc.
in hte moment
frosty wedge
man, just had to go arms to get an invite to a pug normal
slim lake
aye, i was looking for what skill were magic or physical
frosty wedge
and they had TWO GUARDIANS
slim lake
i felt I under use spell reflect
fresh belfry
Hi, new here. I am just wondering whether or not I should replace a 340 ilvl azerite chest (that has deafening crash on it) with a 370 ilvl azerite chest that does not have deafening crash. At the moment, the 340 chest is the only piece of gear I have with the DC trait, so if I replaced I would lose the trait altogether. If I keep the DC chest I lose 104 armor, 132 strength and 262 stamina. I don't know what is best. Thanks for the help!
fresh belfry
Wow! So is there a point where the ilvl is high enough to even consider losing the trait? (Just in case I get even higher ilvl in future)
solid mist
@slim lake rule of spell reflect in dungeons. no one kicks anything. UNTIL you use SR, then they kick EVERYTHING for the next 10 seconds
frosty wedge
@solid mist you'r enot wrong
also no one kicks anything until you have your kick back up then they burn theirs after you kick
solid mist
lol also true
frosty wedge
ugh, sitting at 360 ilvl... with 2 340 azerite pieces ><
they should have made one of the items you can craft be an azerite item
brazen sequoia
How much AP do we get from a HC expedition? Is it worth farming them?
brazen sequoia
Cool, thanks ๐ How much is the estimate per expedition?
frosty wedge
depends on what level you do it at
brazen sequoia
If it's 150-250, I might aswell just spam m+ tbh
frosty wedge
naw it's more than that, plus if you do the weekly you get another 2500
plus therea re rewards/drops you can get that are worth like 500 for turn ins
it's worth doing
brazen sequoia
Alright man ๐ And we can get eh... 1500+ from dayli WQs+emesarry, ye?
fickle kiln
so str pots/flask/food over the stam one? for heroic and mythic uldir.
vagrant cape
@fresh belfry all we know for sure is that it's worth at least 45 ilvls. So if you have a 340 DC piece, there is no azerite gear high enough to replace it. Wait until the next ilvl bump I suppose :P
This applies to the first piece with DC, of course. After the first it becomes the worst of the six prot traits
There could be argument that a 385 or even 370 piece with a high reorigination array would be worth it in uldir, but no one has solid numbers for that yet
I know I certainly wouldn't replace a 340 DC piece for a 385 max stack array because 20% damage reduction and 15% more damage is just so nuts
But it may be worth it. No idea honestly.
fresh belfry
Thanks for the confirmation Byron. I shall stick with the DC piece then! ๐
vagrant cape
As will we all :,(
I really am dying to know if they're planning anything for DC in 8.1
fresh belfry
In what sense?
vagrant cape
Well the first part: we're all gonna be stuck with 340 pieces for DC barring insane m+ cache luck.
For the 2nd part: They're saying they want to eliminate any traits that are head and shoulders above the others and that's exactly what DC is so I'm hoping the traits get a rework.
Not a single uldir boss drops a DC piece so I'm just gonna cry a lot
fresh belfry
Remember when they said they wanted higher ilvl to be an upgrade and that they didn't want people wearing lowere level gear for the traits/procs etc? It feels bad dropping sooo many stats, even though you know its worth it for the trait.
vagrant cape
Yep. If blizz wants us to play a certain way I just wish they'd make that way the best. Like if they wanted us to just wear our highest ilvl azerite gear AND they didn't want us reforming them, they should just let us pick our traits when it drops and make it unchangeable after that.
Because they clearly don't want us targeting azerite pieces
ember crest
yea like unlocking a trait from a pool when you get the gear
or at least letting us reforge 'standard' traits, and forcing unique ones from specific drops
vagrant cape
Exactly. And the sheer number of neutral traits? Fucking get rid of 60% of them. Most of them are bland and they're BETTER than spec specific traits for a ton of specs
frosty wedge
I have a 370 helm from the first weekly cache i got with DC on it ><
frosty wedge
I just have not gotten ANY other azerite pieces from norm/HC
vagrant cape
You got your BiS legendaries for your first two drops. Grats.
ember crest
was it the Bleakweald Greathelm?
frosty wedge
naw
vagrant cape
At least you can use coins on uldir for better odds
frosty wedge
sea-brawlers
the other two ring's traits are shit
but it has DC
so I'm happy, lol
frosty wedge
any idea what it's called?
ember crest
AzeriteTooltip
ember crest
well allocating DC on more than one helm, and various shoulders, and for the love of god allowing them to drop from M+ chests would be at least a bandaid solution
sick sentinel
resounding protection is so fucking good you don't even know
ember crest
is there a list anywhere of traits that stack and ones that dont? not finding anything in my searches
ember crest
i didnt think resounding stacked
steel mauve
every trait stacks in one way or another, its in the pins for what stacks and what doesnt
vagrant cape
Me at launch: "Oh, I won't buy a 355 oswain shield because I'll have a better one after a week of uldir."
Me now: cries in 350 mythic 4 shield
frosty wedge
ember crest
been fairly lucky as well
sick sentinel
topaz ember
i got dc on 385 shoulders but i already switch to arms gg
frosty wedge
I will take those shoulders off your hands sir
sick sentinel
God himself is telling you to go prot
Some people would kill 1 or 2 people for that shoulders
frosty wedge
I have been rejected from like... 15 different +7/8 groups in the last 10 mins :/
sick sentinel
why the hell doesnt devastate give rage
prisma night
i mean, it kinda does, in that it resets the thing that does give rage
neon tangle
@frosty wedge Yeah same here
a couple have gone out of the way to lol at me for being a prot warrior
good times
dense flame
is there any good m+ pathing resources?
sweet kettle
you mean what packs you should be pulling and how?
round vortex
Method dungeon tools is best.
It doesnโt give you the path but you can create one and share it
sweet kettle
watch videos on how people do each dungeon
round vortex
Or get one from someone else. Otherwise Jdotb on twitch. ๐
onyx vessel
345 rezans or 355 xalzaix's
astral crystal
jew howler lmao
fleet galleon
Pretty sure Xalzaix's is trash but check pins to be sure. Also jew howler is amazing ๐๐
crystal night
Is 800 m+ score considered good ?
astral crystal
would recommend you look at actual timed runs over score
unkempt fox
for the instance ure interested in
ocean lagoon
Is prot truly as broken as everyone is saying
frosty wedge
No
it need some love, but unless you're mythic raiding/cutting edge pushing high keys we're fine
ocean lagoon
Urgh mythic raising is kind of what I meant
I was wondering if building it as an OT for kythk. Raiding for specific fights would be worth
signal plover
Prot is fine for mythic raiding imo
chrome steppe
it's not that we're terrible, it's just that others are better ๐
astral steeple
primal crypt
Prot warriors are beastly in the correct scenario
otherwise, your group needs to interrupt/cc
just like any other tank requires
brisk flax
What's a good stack to reset necrotic at this week?
proven tundra
whatever you can survive. i've not lived past 30 stacks in my experience
even 20 is pushing it unless you have stuff up
proven tundra
if you want to be safe yeah
you just have to weigh your safety against DPS safety as you will stop generating threat while you kite
the pain atm with prot is trying to generate enough thread AND pop enough defensives to keep up, with very limited GCDs
threat
primal crypt
LUL
lucid kelp
is it SUPER bad that I have like 200 Vers total?
like i've just been going with ilevel up and I have good haste and Mastery but my verse is in the drain
static lance
blockades or rezan's gleaming eye? both 355.
other trinket is jes' howler, 340 + socket
severe pond
I would use rezanโs and howler
static lance
cool thanks
tight tree
You can take as much necrotic, as your healer can handle ๐ Warrior is all about challenge! Challenge yourself, and challenge healers ๐ค ๐ฉ
sick sentinel
wew 11 siege
amber siren
hearty portal
Anyone here that think 50% slow on TC would be to op?
I really feel the lack of slow when doing Necrotic, you really need a mage in like every group
And balance druid is super op for those tanking treants so you can easily get rid of the stacks
sick sentinel
would be too OP w/ avatar and spamming it every other GCD.
esp with pvp root talent ontop.
I just call for vortex from resto or balance druid.
Resto druid my fav healer.
typhoon + vortex too good and hots are spot on for the kind of damage I take.
wheras priests just cry cry, and resto shamans none to be seen. or holy pallies.
http://mplus.subcreation.net/ protection warrior used to be 110 this week. its upto 130+!
hearty portal
Yeah I also enjoy resto druids
sick sentinel
and roots for any occasion is ๐
hearty portal
Current favorite setup is probably, Mage,Druid(resto), Druid (balance) And just a generic dps for the last spot
I hate bringing hunters tho, because apperantly its so fucking hard to control the pet
Pulling shit, Breaking cc with their hugmongous aoe
severe pond
Rogues for mdps. So much cc, tricks and the aoe stealth
sick sentinel
yeah I have a duo of sub rogues I usually go with.
their stuns, additional kicks, conceal shroud, blinds, saps, imba ST dps all too good.
oh yeah. druid healer also spot on enrage remove makes enraging this week super skate.
tight tree
Well i'd like option for slows. Like talent, that woul do too
DKs have it, brewmasters can talent it, i want it oo ๐
Tho mages and rogues exist, i just ask for slow. but still more control over mobs is always better.
leaden cobalt
Does anyone know if i should i give up Deafening Crash trait for 30ilvl?
tight tree
It worth about 25 levels so in theory yes. In practice, play a bit and see how it feels.
I would probably not swap it for 30 ilevels. 35-40 yes ๐ But that is feelycrafting. I love my insane demo shout uptime.
Still using 340 shoulders with DF ;/
DC*
leaden cobalt
True i don't think i will give it up in m+ but i may do for prog raiding
hearty portal
I mean you cant have an azerite piece be only 25 itemlevel upgrade nor 35
or?
Since they can only be like, 340,355,370,385
leaden cobalt
Right you are
tight tree
But holy shit azerite system is crap. They should just make traits all accesible on neck instead. And remove respec cost.
hearty portal
well no they should just make tier sets
and remove the azerite garbage all together
Think 99% of the community agree's thats its a shitty design that no one wants. And that everyone is better off without it
neon tangle
Tbh itโs just the old glyph system, but on your gear
hearty portal
And you can't chose
and its totally based on rng
Its like an extremly shitty version of the glyph system that would just add % increase in damage to x ability based on your rng. Instead of having a system where you can chose a glyph that alters that ability in some way
tight tree
And you cannot use half of glyphs untill you level neck
WoW had way better systems before, they should just stick to them. It aint broken, dont fix it.
Talents+glyphs+reforging, i'd be very happy.
None of this artefact leveling BS. Only progression we should have is gear progression.
neon tangle
Reforging makes a lot less sense in a world without hit and expertise
And without colored sockets
No tier sets also feels like blizz was trying to solve the issue with leggos taking up slots
Tier sets, no magic neck
Imho would be fine
hearty portal
reforging would solve the issue with horrible rng and that some stats is close to worthless for some specializations
neon tangle
I think stat weight issues are the thing blizz should fix ๐
For us itโs real easy
Everything is alright
hearty portal
Yeah the game is alright, Its just dying at an incredible speed
neon tangle
I mean all our secondaryโs are alright ๐
Reforging is a bandaid over poorly balanced secondary stats at this point
neon tangle
Right, thatโs the problem that should be fixed
Instead of introducing reforging again
hearty portal
Yeah but they're not fixing it, Their community manager is even laughing and ridiculing people on the forums. Pretty much saying: We know that the game is bad, but you just going to have to deal with it.
And everything thats shown so far is just supporting that. They just shit all over shamans with the suggested "fixes"
So I have 0 faith that the prot changes will do shit for us. the hotfix comming soon is the best thing we'll get this expansion
tight tree
I dont get why they even feel the need to have this convoluted systems in game.
hearty portal
Because its probably easier to tweak then giving classes flavour
Everything they have changed in the last years is just so its easier for them to work. Thats why they've gutted every class so they don't have to bother with balancing everything as much
So they gave us the azerite systems with a bunch of passives thats easy to tweak with some simple math
thats also locked behind timegates to force people to play longer
dreamy gorge
Pretty much
weary nacelle
hey folks, good day, anyone can refer me to a up to date guide when it comes to traits and what's the current good/bad ones. Should i look up at icy veins?
weary nacelle
Thank you, Pocky, i'm relatively new here. Cheers
manic perch
tanked fetid hc last night holy shit he hits hard........ and zek destroys my anus wonder if it would be worth going for stamina pots and food instead of strength?>
broken kite
when does zek hurt you
manic perch
the 3 part combo
broken kite
i can understand fetid hitting a bit hard, but zek?
manic perch
void debuff void