we have no padding
#protection
uneven mason
which is why the other tanks deal with magic better
Its not so much warriors are weaker than other tanks (we are in situations where we have no rage to IP each tick) its that our lower HP Pools allow for lower healer reaction time, so in that sense, the health boost in theory helps - but not enough to even be noticeable, 1/30th of a tick on HC Zul is going to be our avg boost from that change to Vanguard.
I Mean, I'm not mad, I'm dissapointed.
blissful imp
I feel the same
frosty wedge
fuck that I'm actually mad
uneven mason
I'm tanking just dandy as long as my pocket holypriest is awake (he is)
Our healers have to be proactive with us
blissful imp
at this point I'm like "Just fucking get someone on the team that likes working on Warrior so they can design something"
frosty wedge
They have had... SO long to think of how to properly tune/rework prot
and this is what they push to live
uneven mason
It really is just a matter of just adjusting a number on IP
uneven mason
Its worth pressing, it just has no "oomph" not the same way Deathstrike does
or clearing stagger
noticeably
gray wolf
ignore pain doesn't do anything
frosty wedge
it BARELY does anything in higher content - 40 rage for 23k absorb
other tank classes that don't need it are getting that size absorb passively from azerite traits in 8.1
uneven mason
HC Mythrax
thats healing on me
So when you say "IP does nothing"
read some logs
You might not be using it optimally
frosty wedge
oh i'm aware that it's still substantial over time, but it doesn't smooth enough, whihc is it's entire job
uneven mason
It doesn't do enough "when we need it to"
frosty wedge
I use it consistently, it's just not as powerful as it needs to be to put us inline with other tanks
abstract surge
what do we think of the warrior buffs ?
frosty wedge
far too little and they don't at alla dress our core issues
frosty wedge
basically it feels like no one at blizzard has played a warrior
frosty wedge
😦
uneven mason
I can just see the class devs all being like
a bunch of toothless farmers standing around a Battlemech
"An Ya'll no how ta driv dat ting?"
"Narp, wut bout gury, he can drive anyting"
frosty wedge
LOL
uneven mason
Gury shows up and just goes "Need mor armur"
If they'd just change our AP portion of IP to 5
instead of 3.5
I think we'd be in a solid position
IP would actually do its job
merry cave
Lol no mastery on ptr prob end up like beta 'oh shit were out of time revert everything'
past ledge
is IP just for magic spells?
slate vine
It's for everything unless you're killing lvl10 mobs
or already caping your max IP shield
gray wolf
🤣
past ledge
is it good to stack IP with SB?
stone crag
it's not bad to
slate vine
You should consider to have shield block up 100% of the time between LS and SB casts, see IP as a kinda mandatory bonus to reduce 50% of the still incoming dmg
Especially useful against magic dmg when SR is not available (obviously)
vagrant cape
So I just saw the October 2nd hotfix notes. An 11% buff to vanguard armor and a 14% buff to vanguard stamina actually seems pretty solid. I'm liking it I think
I wonder how much of a %HP increase and armor damage reduction that'll equate to
elder isle
*armor by 5% and stamina by 5%
frozen berry
Angryspike doesn’t understand math it seems
vagrant cape
@stone crag I did forget to check the pins. Whoops. But I'm still curious if the change will affect me any more or less than that depending on my current values.
@mellow bridge grats!!!
chilly brook
Wait hold on
We’re not in line with other tanks?
Am I not looking at the same logs?
I thought the complaint was that for all the effort we have to put in we shouldn’t be in line we should be ahead?
real rover
am currently running with a krauloks claw @355 - am thinking on switching to a big red button @370 for m+
thoughts?
chilly brook
I don’t even know what krauloks does
real rover
versatility stick with strength proc
outer tundra
Anyone have a recommended top 5 tanking traits list they can quickly jot down for me/possibly others
odd ridge
Patience
outer tundra
Azurite traits* lol
signal plover
Pinned guide does
vagrant cape
@outer tundra
> Deafening crash (On one piece) > Brace for impact (ST)/Iron Fortress (Multi-target) > bloodsport > calllous reprisal > reinforced plating > deafening crash (2 or more pieces) > literally any other outer ring trait
deafening crash is mandatory for the spec to operate at peak performance
its worth about 45 ilvls
kind urchin
I wonder if we're still gonna be using DC next tier 🤔
mellow bridge
Failed the +12 by 5 mins D:
carmine dust
I hope there'll be a viable alternative to DC.
I feel like prot is being shoehorned enough talent-wise.
fickle urchin
wonder if anyone doesnt use the rage-talent for demo shout
rose relic
I have like 3 prot warriors becuase I love warrior class fantasy and tanking so goddamm much, but I feel like I should just go back to blood
wraith ginkgo
r the new buffs guna help out a lot or?
wraith ginkgo
I think prot will get bigger changes .. not as much as ele but big
mellow bridge
Well we're prolly getting a new mastery at some point
wraith ginkgo
I hope so b/c right now im arms main 353 ilevel and need to go tank offspec to get into groups rofl
Im behind on the curve and once i learn the mythic+ routes i want to tank a bit.
Is that a good idea guys?
pallid axle
@fickle urchin i do on some occasions like fedit. i feel like way more powerful getting all this Shieldslam resets and pickung up HR so i get a huge uptime on SB^^ but mostly BV will be the go to talent.
wraith ginkgo
Guys is it a good idea rn to offspec prot warr tank mythic+ keys?
slender needle
is Iron Fortress considerably worse than BfI on ST tanking?
steel mauve
No
They are actually really close
And you really gimp yourself not taking AM on like any fight, its what makes our entire toolkit
merry cave
Anyone know what US horde warfront % is at?
steel mauve
Like our talent build should never change out side rows 2 and 3 if im thinking of em right, i never change off heroic leap talent, but some take tc range, and I switch shockwave and stormbolt depending on the fight
frosty wedge
it was 54% last I checked Morg
58% now
probably tomorrow at this rate?
since Ic ehcked an hour ago
so I just did H taloc/mother in a pug and it's ridiculous how many bad players exist
steel mauve
We are halfway through and weve been working on it a few days
Itll probably be 2 or 3 more days
frosty wedge
I think we've only been working on it since thursday night?
and it was definitely 54% an hour ago and 58 now
I was just extrapolating based on rate
does anyone know if we get the quest and the 370 again this time?
oh also in that H taloc/Mother I just did a rogue got a 370 rot scour with a socket and DE'd it immediately without checking with anyone else
merry cave
@frosty wedge thanks sir
somber ether
I tanked a Tol Dagor 8 this week with Necrotic, and I simply could NOT survive on the Sand Queen. Could not shake off necrotic stacks for the life of me. I ended up swapping with the monk who was in the party. Since afterall, they have reliable means of simply dodging for long enough to drop their stacks without kiting. I was just curious to see if any other has experienced the same difficulty as I have with this week's affixes?
vocal nimbus
That boss is the hardest of the dungeon
unkempt fox
@somber ether you should clear more trash around it and kite a lot
somber ether
It just felt too cheesy. We wiped 5 times or so, because I couldn't shake off Necrotic. Then the monk steps in, practically no kiting, and he just breezed through it
unkempt fox
same happened to me on +11 so don't worry ure not alone or special
somber ether
Who said anything about being special? Was mostly hoping someone could say "If you do this, it'll be a lot easier"
unkempt fox
"I was just curious to see if any other has experienced the same difficulty as I have with this week's affixes?" aight gotcha
doesn't sound like "tell me how to do it" but yeah
somber ether
I was trying to be bloody humble about it, but apparently it's lost here
mellow bridge
running atal is making me sad
so many runs and rerolls, still no trinket or shield drop..
outer dew
@somber ether you clear more of the trash around the boss
So that when he transitions
You can spread father apart
spare estuary
hey guys any good addos for nameplates for threat and stuff
vagrant cape
kuinameplates
tender berry
Or threat plates
woeful reef
I think Plater is so much ahead of those 2 now with the built in scripting it does
vagrant cape
@woeful reef what does plater do that puts it ahead?
I'd love plates that I could adjust to highlight particularly dangerous casts
sweet kettle
I got the ghuun shield on heroic and I am not even main prot
woeful reef
Plates are customized by scripts, highlights important casts, adds that need to die asap, etc
sweet kettle
Went in said I want the shield and I got it XD
sick sentinel
I vote for Kui as well. They feel clean and crispy
vagrant cape
@woeful reef I'm sold
woeful reef
@vagrant cape Heres an example
vagrant cape
I'm happy crying right now. thank you
woeful reef
👍
woeful reef
Should be!
solar smelt
Those scripts are built in? As in you just have to list the abilities you want tracked?
vagrant cape
ok, this question's for all the marbles; @woeful reef can you change the alerts based on how many enemies you're currently in combat with?
kicking something is easy peezy if I'm only pulling three mobs, but if a shitty dps pulls an extra pack and I've got 10 mobs on me, it can be hard to spot the important ones
woeful reef
Not sure if lua lets you count mobs near you anymore, not sure
primal crypt
Morning friends 😄
stuck oxide
Tayeul
dense flame
So question. Is IP are only source of closing the gap of mitigation uptime? Or is there a way to play so that those gaps are minimized? Looking from a M+ scenario. Would this just be a time for shockwave/leap/kite?
Was wondering cause other tanks have self healing to counter. Trying to understand what we can do to counter so I can play better
woeful reef
There are situations where you will have gaps in AM yes, its one of the problems with the class right now
IP filler without SB up doesn't last long, best you can do is manage cooldowns properly and not waste SB uptime
Kiting works fine though, very tanky for the first part of pulls and plenty of initial dps to hold aggro if you need to kite
final mist
You should be using cooldowns like Last Stand or Shield Wall to cover gaps in Shield Block.
There's no point in holding them for, "Oh shit!" moments, because they'll prevent you from getting to those moments in the first place.
You'll still need to kite effectively at points, especially on a week like this (with Necrotic).
raven kernel
i go up to l ike 80-100% healing reduc this week sometimes lmao
frontload all my mitigation so even though stacks are building im not actually taking much damage
dense flame
Okay, thanks for the information. Definitely good stuff.
sick sentinel
Hey guys, do we have any pawn strings? I assume there's no real gain for simming, as I'm not really looking to prioritize my stats for damage
final mist
No, we don't use Pawn, sims don't work for survival at any point, and we currently don't have working sims for DPS either.
sick sentinel
Fair enough
raven kernel
higher ilevel, has haste = better
sick sentinel
Ty
dark junco
@woeful reef can ya link plater?
woeful reef
Doesn't look like their pics they have on the site, obviously been updated at some point and they didn't update the pics, although you can customize it any way you liek
raven kernel
i use elvui + nameplateauras
arctic pulsar
are those prot buffs even good?
arctic pulsar
they seem shit
dark junco
👌
final mist
They're decent.
Better than nothing.
Overall, they're ~5% EHP increase together, which is a nice passive buff to our survival.
Makes mistakes a bit less punishing, which is what we needed.
waxen talon
grim prism
We arent going to get anything significant until 8.1
Hotfixes are appreciated, but probably not the finished product
dark lava
Is fetid's thrash blockable?
shut summit
Yes
dark lava
Awesome, thank you
elfin apex
a blood DK with 13 lower Ilvl than me has 40k more HP
vocal nimbus
Class design
elfin apex
#feelsbad
hexed drum
7120 armor - 181k hp, can I survive Fetid TT in heroic ? (With SB or SW + IP)
elfin apex
I was tanking fetid HC at like 350, just rotate with other tank well and use CD effectively
vocal nimbus
Dont doubt calling for externals sub 50%
Sub boss' 50%*
I asked about the ilvl because people usually use that as measure
spark mortar
I tanked Fetid HC at less than 350 with a 301 shield. Don't be afraid of calling out for externals early.
vocal nimbus
My warrior is 348 and i dont even remember his hp
hexed drum
Ok. But since TT is only physical I gave the stats that matters
spark mortar
Just try to keep up a little something on each slap down.
hexed drum
I am 360 with a 355 shield
vocal nimbus
You are more than fine
With SB or bolster you wont need externals
If those are on cd call for some
past ledge
please got give me BIS azerite gear in M+ chest, please...!!!!
God
damn hes mad at me now
hexed drum
Got mine this week ... but old one had DC
past ledge
im still using 340 chest instead of 370 because of DC 😃
past ledge
u guys still using the darkmoon deck trinket ?
spark mortar
What are some great pieces to use for DC that folks enjoy now?
vocal nimbus
Any DC piece is a enjoyable piece
outer dew
The one with the highest I'll l
Ilvl
(:
Or the set that gives you the highest Ilvl to
chilly brook
I don’t understand why people are amazed that blood DKs get a higher HP pool
They get smacked a lot harder than we do
past ledge
Should i replace [Darkmoon Deck: Blockades] with 370 [Vanquished Tendril of G'huun] or 370 [Xalzaix's Veiled Eye]?
whole valve
honestly... instead of these shitty hotfixes, they could've change ip rage cost. That alone would be a better buff, even tho it doesnt fix most of warriors problems
merry cave
@chilly brook they also heal a lot and are almost self sustained on some fights/pulls
daring marlin
shitty hotfixes
OMEGALUL
@whole valve What you just proposed would not be better than what we’re getting
chilly brook
@merry cave I think most people know that at this point
But considering their death strike works off of max HP as well it’s part of their balancing
steel mauve
ya he wasnt disputing their survival mechanics, just that people are amazed they have a higher hp
chilly brook
It’s like DH’s they have high hp as well but get smacked the hardest out of all tanks to where it’s almost not worth having
I’d rather take better mitigation and a lower hp pool but I suppose that’s just my personal preference not a viability argument
steel mauve
i feel like lowering the cost of ip would kind of be a bit more of a nerf where AM stands that where it is now, considering we wouldnt be able to spend the rage for AM to be as effective due to the gcd
chilly brook
IP is fine in literally every category except for its volume
final mist
You guys are underestimating how good these buffs are.
chilly brook
Meh I haven’t even talked about the buff
daring marlin
They’re gr8
chilly brook
Any buff is icing on the cake for me
daring marlin
Any buff, no matter how good; will ever be enough for certain people.
dark junco
@final mist Even Marok said they're insignificant
whole valve
gr8? ok...
dark junco
Then argue with Marok, just quoting him
final mist
They're not "omg wtf that's so good", but they're decent.
tall wadi
how does xalzaix veiled eye interact with ignore pain?
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tall wadi
🤔
steel mauve
i could see it using up the first absorb up like normal
like if the trinket was up first it would absorb from it first, but idk how the DR effects it
tall wadi
so you absorb 50% and not 75%?
chilly brook
I’d assume 50% of it goes to zalzaix and the rest gets somewhat mitigated by IP
So you get hit ~25%
tall wadi
thats the important part of the question
steel mauve
it could still be seperate buffs like if the trinket is up first its still a 50% dr that eats at the trinket absorb, then when its gone a 50% dr eating at ip
chilly brook
Right but the reason our IP doesn’t interact with absorbs is because typically an absorb is 100% of the damage
If the absorb “pops” so to speak the rest gets applied to IP
So I’d assume that a 50% absorb would have the rest of the damage interact with IP
cloud bone
does stamina affect only our HP or does it have some effect on any of our abilities?
stone hull
Is Vectis' trinket good?
fresh dragon
stone hull
I mean I'm using Rezan and Blockades, replacing Blockades is worth it?
It isnt on dreamgrove's list
so...
neon tangle
The icy veins guide says none of the Uldir trinkets are worth it, but if it’s not with giving up item levels for haste
Idk why you wouldn’t give up Rezans for a higher ilvl trinket with crit
stone hull
I wasnt going to replace Rezan's
But darkmoon deck
I cant really replace it now since I kinda need the HP.
I have some other trinekts as well
Gonna give to our dps war, i guess its better for him.
neon tangle
Blockades will almost certainly be better for survivability, so prolly not a bad idea
I use a vector trinket + blockades
stone hull
I see.
Thanks for the advice, sadbox
fresh dragon
do we have some news from 8.1 PTR?
dark junco
whats the name of the debuff we can spell reflect ?
on ghuun
(way to be specific lmao)
steel mauve
explosive corruption?
dark junco
thanks ❤
raven kernel
^
sleek raptor
since explosive corruption is an instant - do you use SR on "good luck" according to dbm/wa timer?
steel mauve
its a cast in p2/3
sleek raptor
oh ok, nvm 😄
junior ivy
when the only turtle quests up are beachhead 😭 😭
tall wadi
how good is blockades?
jade socket
Check the pinned FAQ
hard sigil
xalzaixs veiled eye is pretty shitti right?
vocal nimbus
yes
strange cove
i feel like i'm wearing cloth in these timewalking dungeons
outer dew
The Mythrax trinket?
fierce juniper
It's not terrible, but if you can get a different "good" trinket at a similar ilvl that will be better.
tall wadi
the problem in raids is that 40% is too high
steel mauve
i wouldnt call it great, its better after the buff but still not that good
inland mesa
Nice, we did 4 carries in time last night two motherload, one ad, and one td no shield :(
inland mesa
Yeah my best is 350 but then I got a 365 rezan
Rng was not in my favor last night, we got 4 pieces twice and I didn't get anything besides downgrade bracers :(
sick sentinel
still only 340 rezan w/ socket, blockades/fathoms./
silk portal
For the level 90 Talent, do people use Booming Voice or Devastator?
vocal nimbus
but what about HR?
final mist
Never.
tall wadi
how do I find out which trinkets to use when they are not all the same ilvl
vocal nimbus
Ask here or use feelscraft
hard sigil
the option is 340 vial of animated blood with socket or 355 mythrax veiled eye
tall wadi
I got 360 mythrax socket, 370 syringe, blockades, 355 rezan, 345 jes
fierce juniper
Out of those options, for pure survivability I would use Blockades and Mythrax trink
tall wadi
Im aiming for m+
fierce juniper
Rezan's and blockades, or Rezan's and Jes' for more damage
tall wadi
I assume vampiric speed is better than resounding protection for dungeon content?
sick sentinel
vampiric speed is bad.
resounding better.
unless you want more 'damage' vs survive.
tall wadi
wat
stone imp
With CC from DPS
vocal nimbus
cc the worms
stone imp
CC the infested, kill the things around it. Or kill then all and shockwave the spawn when they pop. Depends on how strong the packs are.
stone imp
Or when they cast. It's like a 3s cast
stone imp
Lots of options.
stone imp
Really the ghuun things are a minor annoyance at best.
stiff lance
how about them 5% buffs boys
sick sentinel
unless you're a pug group that never CCs, never preplans pulls, ignores all mechanics, doesn't interrupt casts.
you know...
those.
vocal nimbus
ccing the mob is kinda slow tho
sick sentinel
bad DPS is kinda slow too.
you can always pull more mobs if its too slow? lol
dying for not preparing for mechanics is also slow.
stone imp
The spawn aren't a big deal. One infested in a pack with the 10% heal is also generally not a huge deal. Sometimes it is faster to cc than deal with the heal, though.
KR slime pack near the embalmer guy with a bunch of infested makes it better to pull small or cc, as an example. Can get out of control.
astral crystal
non-elites can get infested too
in those cases you generally just pull and nuke the entire pack
tall wadi
there is a infested critter in freehold this week
chrome falcon
pretty high
fading ivy
with the oct 2nd buffs, that solves the majority of our problems right?
short frigate
Hey guyz, im really struggling with the azerite traits (and my hole raid saying that prot warriors suck), but i dont care. Love prot wars and want to be the best one, but the azerite traits are kinda fooling me. There is somewhere i can read about the best ones and where the hell is the "BiS" list before uldir ?
steel mauve
short frigate
im so confused with equipments right now 😦
whole yoke
icy veins war prot
short frigate
thanks, i checked the pins now and saw the icy veins guide. Thanks guyz
whole yoke
Good luck with war prot spec, for me it was a bit rough but I'm now able to tank all content (haven't done mythic raid past mother but you know .. ^^)
As long ah I can do my weekly +10 it's all good
past ledge
how much necrotic stacks before u guys kite?
whole yoke
maybe 10 or so ? depend on the healer and the difficulty
whole yoke
usually I wiil go up to 10, then do stun rotation to get back to 0 then back to 10 then kite
past ledge
Stun rotation?
whole yoke
multiple mass stuns
daring marlin
I always let myself get to at least 20 and leap out.
past ledge
what grp comp ur going?
daring marlin
Bring a frost mage to make it easier
past ledge
i think i should start looking for a new m+ grp lol
daring marlin
Kinda wish tclap still did 50% slow
whole yoke
yeah 😦
daring marlin
fucking paladins still get 50% on consecrate
whole yoke
It would be a great improvement if we could always kite solo
daring marlin
and they madr the talent better in BFA
past ledge
always blaming me and never helping to slow down adds
whole yoke
I'd say a good group does like 80% of my tanking ^^
so much easier, especially on discord
unborn karma
so we just did a +9 in time, on my prot warrior tanking, with a 320 shield and 280 sword.. without any 'prot' azerite traits
prot still needs love
past ledge
what grp comp ?
whole yoke
well done, especially with that shield ahah
unborn karma
prot war, resto druid, dk (frost maybe?) monk and i literally cant remember the 5th
hunter 😃
thats the fucker
whole yoke
@errant thorn you have quite a good groupe tho from what I see, that dps is high :p
whole yoke
your healer looks good too, doesn't let you at like 20% hp for 10 minutes xD
unborn karma
@errant thorn push character tab so i can see gear quickly 😄
whole yoke
that's 10 more than me xD
unborn karma
its 6 more than my arms/fury spec, 13/14 more than my prot spec ha
whole yoke
those 40% haste ahah
unborn karma
nice, im slowly dragging myself back up the guild ladder ha
what is the best tank class for just outright standing still and taking it?
fierce juniper
Monk
hidden linden
Looks like TW gave me an actual tank trinket to go with Blockades.
carmine dust
Imo warrior and BM should switch class fantasy. A warrior slamming their shield down and holding the line is a better image than a monk taking hit after hit and just bobbing back and forth like a wobblehead.
ashen maple
@errant thorn whats your stream name
?
jade socket
Naeno
cloud bone
when are the changes supposed to go live? when 8.1 hits live?
whole yoke
vanguard ? 2 october
cloud bone
ok thanks 😄
ancient reef
Whats top 3 mythic dps atm yall think
errant thorn
M+ or Raid
dusty solstice
uh...rogue, havoc, frost? idk lol
outer dew
M+ or mythic raid?
ancient reef
Gotta admit the frost being good dps surpises me
errant thorn
Frost Mage, DH, Rogue
ancient reef
Ok makes sense then
dusty solstice
@errant thorn thats what I said
outer dew
Frost Mage / DH will smooth out any run
dusty solstice
surely no one thought I meant frost DK 😄
outer dew
You can replace Frost mage with an ele shaman at some points
But DH/Frost Mage will give plenty utility, purge, lust, kicks,etc
And you flex the last one
dusty solstice
yeah but ele shamans get turned down alot bc stigma
gotta love the community
they are getting buffed though, probably don't even need it but lol
odd fjord
Guys what? Can someone explain this lol?
It popped up as being a legendary item lol
I had a 310 equipped before this
steel mauve
there have been bugs with loot lately
odd fjord
Yeah apparently haha weird
steel mauve
yesterday in raid one of our guys bonus rolled, said he got a piece of loot, then quickly switched to ap, and he got either
didnt get either
rich robin
I bonus rolled in Uldir and it said I got AP and then a sword popped up
dusty solstice
indie company guys relax
rich robin
Oh you’re right. My bad
earnest zinc
#betaforazeroth
quiet perch
Has anyone else legitimately been looting greens from bosses in uldir?
ember arrow
U mean they can drop other loot?
quiet perch
It's a really bad feeling lol
twin eagle
Yep I got a green shield from ghuun
Let me tell you how sad that made me
It made me very sad
rich robin
Do you want to talk about it?
twin eagle
Im just ignoring the pain, but it only blocks 50%
rich robin
Don’t let it devastate you.
rich robin
Just charge on it and try again
wild atlas
Pardon me for intercepting this conversation
chrome falcon
My dudes who have killed Mythic Vectis, are you using Safeguard on vector targets to help out? Does it hurt you a lot more?
hot locust
Haven't really bothered but it's not a bad idea.
ionic flume
I Killed hc taloc and got no loot, Bonus Roll told me azerite Power but i receiveived talocs hammer, maybe the System is bugged cause that is the first item i rolled fron Bonus Roll Since the Start of antorus
ionic flume
Ok i rolled on my offspec but it‘s still kinda weird
ember arrow
yes
is the hammer u got ilvl 120?
there is a transmog version of the hammer and the real hammer
and the transmog can drop independently of the real thing
grave basin
Hey guys
ember arrow
whats up
grave basin
I just specced prot a couple days ago. I love it. So much more fun than dps. Is there any way to get a shield above 300 aside from farming hc/mythics and raid? neither drops anything
grave basin
so there is not some rare, a chest or any other easy peasy way that definitive gets u a 320+ shield
ember arrow
i dont play prot myself, so i may be wrong, but i dont believe there is a guanranteed way
unless you get an emmisary fir a shield, but im not sure thats possible
grave basin
Hmkay. thanks dude. will pray to RNG God then
ember arrow
lala may tell more in a bit
hot locust
Just gotta pray one drops.
hot locust
Haha
grave basin
😄
hot locust
No special trick as far as getting a shield is concerned
just spam M+ dungeons of the ones thay drop em
grave basin
alrighty
ember arrow
i only equip a 2H and done
cant imagine farming shield
blizz didnt give enough ways to get one relative to weapons i feel
digital arrow
u guys got any tips for king's rest this week?
grave basin
i hoped there would be a 335 for exalted on any faction. but no only crap gear
ember arrow
bring a druid to soothe enraged affix
and enraged champions
so they dont double enrage
digital arrow
i've no idea how im gonna deal with shadow of zul
grave basin
hunder can soothe too
ember arrow
have adruid or hunter pet soothe him
digital arrow
will do that
digital arrow
ahh
ember arrow
i suddenly feel like atank again this week
digital arrow
lol
ember arrow
i can stand more than 5 seconds in the mobs's melee range
junior ivy
how do people do emissarys on mroe than one toon
junior ivy
but wq are so boring
grave basin
if shadow of zul is your only concern about kr m+ you will be fine
junior ivy
lool hey my recent m=s have been better
junior ivy
i even almost 1 vchested a +12
ember arrow
its relaxing
ember arrow
"do you know how close i came" giggity
grave basin
which dng?
grave basin
oh okay
junior ivy
ok so all this time i thought infested was a dumjb affix like you barely even notice it, its so easy
then i did waycrest +11.....
omg infested sucks there
ember arrow
u dont notice it without fortified
junior ivy
the 3 triplets
ember arrow
ur grooup prob didnt move on the magic dmg aura
digital arrow
@grave basin there's also the case that a few of the trash mobs (i think spectral berserkers) apply a bleed to whoevers within 10 yards, so i can't leap away to drop neurotic stacks during that period
junior ivy
during that hour and a half, the closest we ever got was killin one of them
digital arrow
im not sure how im gonna deal with that
ember arrow
@digital arrow let a dps take it
spread the dot
dont get more than 1 stack
or let a hunter pet take it
digital arrow
oh thats a load off
ember arrow
or have a dk mindcontrol them
pick ravager, since bleed can be parried 
P.S. dont actually pick ravager
arms warrior can take bleed and not take dot
with die by the sword
obtuse venture
what do yo uguys thinkingabout the vanguard buffs
ionic flume
@ember arrow yes it was the 370 Weapon for Arms/fury that is the weird part about the reroll drop 😂
vagrant cape
I'm theory rafting a little bit... Roughly how much rage do y'all overcap on during avatar?
Because I'm wagering it's at least 100
junior ivy
i dunno what that even meansss
coral bramble
Is the vel'koz trinket even worth it for damage? Currently have a 370 trinket from waycrest with on crit chance. I checked the icy veins and wowhead guides and they don't have anything specific about either of these two trinkets. Just looking for some guidance.
coral bramble
both 370. D:
ember arrow
neither are partiularly amazing i believe
coral bramble
indeed.
gaunt coyote
BLizzard doe shuge swathing percent changes- Omg blizz doesnt know how to fine tune
does small percent buffs- Omg blizz this is so little, it wont change anything
ember arrow
what
obtuse venture
doesnt really fix the horrendous weakness against unblockable dmg
dunno why they didnt bump ip
digital arrow
someone should break into blizz and move the lil class adjustment slider on IP to like 2.3 or somethin, then sneak back out 🕵
i'm no expert but i bet u guys it takes like 30 seconds to make that adjustment
vagrant cape
Depends on how much spaghetti you gotta dig through to get to the right code
upper spoke
Invited a 364 arms/fury warrior to my 8 underrot. He joins and says "Oh. Your a warrior tank." Then he leaves
vagrant cape
Good. You don't wanna do a dungeon with people like that. Good riddance
ember arrow
^
vagrant cape
Over the course of avatar, how much rage do y'all waste to overcapping?
daring patrol
none?
ember arrow
u want feelycraft or math?
vagrant cape
Well math is hard so Feely craft. Though if you could tell me how to do them math that'd be dope
digital arrow
LMAO @upper spoke he's probably an awful war if he's with public uninformed perception about prot
ember arrow
i cant help you with that, since i dont play it, but capping rage doesnt matter if u dont need to spend any right
since only IP and SB are spenders
or u can press revenge
digital arrow
thats why u gotta go gnome for that +5 rage
vagrant cape
I'm curious about the hypothetical situation of IP being off the GCD because if it were, you'd never overcap rage. If that were the case, I'm trying to figure out how many more seconds would be shaved off of demo and avatar
stone crag
a noticeable amount
vagrant cape
People often think that IP being off the GCD would fix the spec, but I think it'd make prot brokebly OP
And no one seems to believe it
stone crag
well, there would still be a cap on how much it'd absorb so it definitely wouldn't be OP
vagrant cape
So if I had numbers like, "warriors will be getting avatar down to an X second CD and have Y% uptime on demo shout" I could make them see that it'd be a bit nuts
stone crag
it definitely got a bit nutty towards the end on Legion, but still not broken OP
stone crag
and that's with IP off GCD, Higher absorb, and higher stack
yeah, idd
the end of an expac is usually pretty stupid
uneven mason
Kind've but warriors were in a league of their own in some situations
Eating 15+ stacks on Scyth
because critical block
at the same time, just gimmics
since mythic you needed to die
couldn't do something like, save the raid with a 40m absorb through a purgatory and then heal for 50m
stone crag
yeah, iirc the mastery build was really only for heroic cheese
uneven mason
we either had full HP
vagrant cape
I'm not even factoring in the absorb, I'm talking purely about using it as a rage dump during avatar while you still did your rotation. If you could get extra 3 ignore pains during avatar, that'd lower the CD of demo shout from 30 seconds to 18 which I'm now realizing doesn't actually matter because demo shout would still be on the target when it came off CD...
ember arrow
wrong ping
uneven mason
as soon as it comes off
ember arrow
kappa
uneven mason
tfw
vagrant cape
But it is basically always ready to reapply unless you get stunned or you're not in TC range for a cast
uneven mason
tfw you realize you've had 6 polish beers and probably couldnt' do high school algebra to save your life at the moment so shoulend't be in the protection discord
waxen cradle
a 6 pack really I use to have a 6 pack but I upgraded to a 12 pack
ember arrow
i prob cant do high school algebra without drinking beer
stone crag
👌
digital arrow
lol
steel mauve
all the boss specific weakauras i make that tell me when to taunt all use air horn noises
vagrant cape
It's true, half of our GCDs are one button for 20 seconds out of every minute. So about 1/6 of our GCDs are spamming TC
During avatar
onyx vessel
Yup makes it annoying to use ignore pain
hybrid trench
so how are prot tanks in M+?
onyx vessel
Not great
hybrid trench
hmm so if i wanted to tank itd be better to play something else
onyx vessel
Personal preference
steel mauve
not really weak if played perfectly... there are just better options for lower amount of effort, we are still alright and are viable for mythic raids and 10's but if you dont really main prot i wouldnt tank on it
static lance
also the only tank that can do more damage than the DPS on trash pulls.
amber siren
VDH is p close
raven kernel
vdh does less dmg + have to start kiting earlier on a hard pull due to fuck all cds/mitigation
so their dmg really cant compare
sick sentinel
god +15 ilvl from that shield and feel even more godlier.
onyx vessel
But vdh has good utility
Big problem is the unforgiving playstyle compared to other tanks cuz of our tight gcds it hurts when you fuck up
And the buffs are nonexistence
latent gale
whats the best offstats for prot atm?
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
Oof prot warrior is bottem
Just look at m+ 10s and mythic uldir we are hard bottem for both
chilly brook
Exactly what is the measure of strength? @junior ivy
junior ivy
dunno.
onyx vessel
8.1 hopfully will rebalance tanks gcd hurt us the most out of tanks
The fact that brm and bdk where by far most used in mythic prog
sick sentinel
ehm.
amber siren
Brm and Bdk? Surely you mean BRM and BRM 😏
onyx vessel
True
warm axle
just got a ilvl 370 head from mother, but i still have to use my 340 sea brawler helm for DC... sigh
neat kiln
but they had a patch that leveled out all the traits so there are no more clear winners right? 😛
cloud bone
we can't sim ourselves so they have no idea about our traits 😛
there's no community backlash for our traits
digital arrow
damn i do not like necrotic one bit
some rooms are not good for kiting
luckily my teammates would root enemies and fly me outta hot spots lol
but yeah it's like, pull, do a combo or two then u already gotta get the fuck outta there and drop the necro stacks
sheesh
past ledge
Yeah im fine with all other except necrotic
I tend to do just one +10 for the weekly and thats it
Rest are low keys for the sake of it
mental scarab
This was like the best week for me? Done FH SOB TOS shrine 10 keys in time even 1+ on FH, with pugs
zinc mauve
nothing compares to running heroic uldir, killing vectis, and both shammies get the vector deflector while you're still rocking a 345 shield
digital arrow
wow
sick sentinel
necrotics easy enough.
digital arrow
sabels maybe im doing the worst dungeons for this affix lmao
sick sentinel
just be mindful the back you're coming from, heroic leap around 30s while calling for some heavy root/snare for you. leap, reset, return.
past ledge
I would rather have any other affix instead of necrotic tbh lol
digital arrow
yeah hl and intercept healers but then mobs run straight at u, and i feel like they get a speed boost or somethin
sick sentinel
I like TD this week. just first boss is aids.
digital arrow
maybe its just me
mental scarab
But frost mages is mandatory
sick sentinel
dps not killing bugs fast enough.
past ledge
Dps not even slowing
sick sentinel
balance druids are better.
mental scarab
Its spam rot/slow week
past ledge
Then blaming you for it
sick sentinel
better deeps, vortex on demand.
mental scarab
Yea
digital arrow
lol sorry nistel, i know that feel
zinc mauve
the only luck i had with killing the bugs is designating certain people to dumping their aoe on the bugs
doesnt make the fight any less miserable
mental scarab
But tyr is so boring 🤮🤮
sick sentinel
group just needs to be relatively stacked. pref around healer, as thats where they'll go for first if you're not grabbing them.
and know when to spread for upheaval.
digital arrow
i did king's rest with necrotic and a warlock would put down a portal for me and the palladin would swoop me to him a lot lmao
raven kernel
i always tell my healer to stand on me
mental scarab
Nice
sick sentinel
prefer vortex + leap for me. save lock portal for trash cheesing.
like last boss freehold. (or invis pot)
or motherlode.
zinc mauve
rarely when i was killing the first boss, ill heroic leap over one of the sand pits and get tagged by them
final mist
As long as you have some form of CC to help you lock down mobs while you kite / begin to kite, Necrotic isn't really that bad.
Raging (and Tyrannical on some bosses) are much bigger issues this week.
raven kernel
moonkin treants are super op for necrotic btw
final mist
Treants taunt when they spawn (AoE taunt), and last for 10 seconds, so those being dropped and a little bit of distance are an easy breather for you and your healer.
They are a DPS cooldown for druids though.
Shamans also have Earth Elementals that can taunt and tank things for a bit to give you a breahter (on top of Shamans' other utility, like their AoE stun).
zinc mauve
Should my ideal haste as protection be just to get down to the minimum GCD?
final mist
That's pretty much impossible to try and gear for. Just follow the stat priority (ilevel > haste > etc), while trying to get as much Haste as you can.
zinc mauve
according to the stat priority its haste then versatility, correct? After ilvl of course
sick sentinel
havent had any issues with raging yet.
I run with consistent hunters/druids though.
final mist
It's Haste > Vers / Mastery > Crit
sick sentinel
only 10-11s tho highest and havent done KR yet or shrine.
final mist
But all of the stats are so close that ilevel pretty much always wins out.
final mist
Raging gets real bad with some mobs on higher keys (basically 10/11+)
final mist
Short answer, yes.
sick sentinel
yeah.
digital arrow
treants sound op
i've learned to try and pick up druids especially for king's rest
so i'll ask em to use that next time
chrome wyvern
Im gunna guess there isnt an extended trinket list for us like the other specs eh?
past ledge
Im having a hard time tanking high keys 8+ but i feel its easy to tank up to mother mythic, any thoughts ?
Is it me or just the grp comp of the m+?
We running Hpala Spriest DH and Enha
It feels like the healer cant keep up with the damage im taking
quiet kettle
it depends on the dungeon mostly, but a good majority of them do a lot of magic dmg
prisma night
How high are your necro stacks when you feel like that?
quiet kettle
also that, these dungeons are rather unforgiving with necrotic
past ledge
The healer told me i can go up to 20 stacks max
I begin to "try" to kite around 15 stacks
And feel like the mobs are not slowed or anything
Its like its just me thats ccing when i need to kite
prisma night
Should be manageable then, could be a lot of things honestly. Could be healer not being able to keep you up, could be dps not interupting or ccing things at the right time
past ledge
I did atal +10 and missed +1 by couple of mins bss damn did every mob pull i HAVE to use a major CD
I have good IL over all great weps and shield also
final mist
You should be cycling CDs, you should never really hold on to them.
If you're holding on to them, you're not playing right.
past ledge
Im not holding on to them
But my cds gets done and the packs are still not dead or still following me
Without being slowed
upbeat folio
I might be in the minority that feels like the affixes this week are forgiving.
quiet kettle
well none of ur m+ group really have efficient slowing capabilities
for bosses, yes zahr
for trash, no
prisma night
This week feels a lot easier than teeming fort
lavish oracle
If you run with a frost mage, affixes this week are cake
obtuse venture
nistel i think that might be your groups dps being low. but still annoying that a DK can just clear stacks no probs and just carry bad groups
quiet kettle
pre-nerf or post-nerf teeming hisoka?
upbeat folio
Some fights are pretty shitty with necrotic. Boss and trash alike.
@quiet kettle probably both.
quiet kettle
ok ya, pre-nerf was bad
upbeat folio
I couldn't get over an 8 last week. This week I'm clearing 10s with little problem.
quiet kettle
ur grp comp is overall fine, but make sure ur DH isnt afraid to stun after u
or vice versa
prisma night
I just dislike fort weeks cuz trash is harder this expac. If people dont know what to focus/cc its a nightmare
upbeat folio
Also, plan your exit routes carefully. Even without heavy control.
quiet kettle
KR trash is fucking awful on fort
upbeat folio
I have run waycrest so many times this week I pretty much instinctively know when I need to leap out and run for the hills.
But if you lose LOS at high stacks, that could be death due to dot which is just embarrassing.
quiet kettle
i honestly prefer fort waycrest
past ledge
How many stacks is high?
quiet kettle
15+ honestly
upbeat folio
I would say anything over 30 is definitely gonna cause some problems.
prisma night
30 is usually when i absolutley book it
quiet kettle
15+ for melee atks, 30+ for dots, etc.
prisma night
15-20 are usually when to drop em
past ledge
When do you tend to start to kite ?
lavish oracle
The only boss that worries me in tyr waycrest is the coven
past ledge
Do start to kite at 15 ey
quiet kettle
treeplant thing or w.e its name is can get annoying too
upbeat folio
Kite when it feels appropriate. Every circumstance is difference. Some pulls require kiting as soon as you see the first enrage.
Even with 0 stacks.
prisma night
Tol dagor first boss this week is super annoying with how many adds there are
So much necro stacks
upbeat folio
Tol Dagor boss 1 and Wayrcrest pig boss benefit from having a hunter that misdirects to pet.
So that's one easy tip.
quiet kettle
his comp doesnt have hunter tho
upbeat folio
Just ignore the adds and let the team clean them up if you have that.
past ledge
I have a +9 motherlode atm, gona try a diff comp and see how it goes
upbeat folio
In the absence of a hunter, I would 100% endorse having your team FF the adds as a priority on spawn during necrotic. It's way more stable to kill them as a priority than to try to burn the boss. The faster they die, the better your chances of smooth outcome.
sick sentinel
feelsgood can tank comfortably upto 30ish stacks before needing to leap away.
past ledge
Is there a way to mitigate the stack damage?
upbeat folio
Motherlode is a good key this week. Just be careful with the goblin boss chick.
prisma night
Rixxa?
fair crystal
Mortherload and Atal are ez brezzie
quiet kettle
ya her shots can do crazy dmg
upbeat folio
Her melee is weirdly hard.
Thankfully she spends like 50% of the fight doing other stuff.
sick sentinel
IP mitigate stack damage. :p
prisma night
Dont the bosses in motherload have "melees" that arent blockable?
lavish oracle
If you have a frost mage available to you, Nistel, bring 'em. We had our ret pally switch this week and it was night and day
upbeat folio
@prisma night Just the last boss, I think.
upbeat folio
Razdunk technically casts his melee swing, I believe.
upbeat folio
@sick sentinel Spell reflecting helps, but the dot isn't what trucks you.
sick sentinel
you can spell relfect it completely.
upbeat folio
The other thing is that she does not always hit the tank with chem.
sick sentinel
requires some prediction.
upbeat folio
It's a really high chance, though.
I'd say she picks tank 75% of the time for one of the two targets.
past ledge
Ill swap in a frost mage then and see how it goes
upbeat folio
Don't enhance shamans have a slow?
past ledge
I just think the guys with me are like not helping me out lol
Then blaming me for either having high stacks or not being able to handle the damage when enraged
Im confused really, i dont knw if its me or them 😅
Which also brings me to a very important point
Which is not going with other grp keys feeling i might be a problem
prisma night
I felt the same way running with my guild on some m+. Id suggest try pugging and getting different players and see what happens
I personally felt a lot sturdier in 75% of the pugs than i did with my guild
lavish oracle
Kiting is kind of a necessity for both raging and necrotic so not having a reliable slow as a warrior can make this week feel really frustrating as a warrior if your group isn't helping you out
neon tangle
I got a shaman and a frost mage in my m+ group
It’s great
Earth ele to soak necro stacks, slows for days
lavish oracle
Earth ele would be nice, there have been a few bosses this week where i had to have our arms warrior taunt and die by the sword tank the boss to clear stacks 😄
digital arrow
is chemical burn when she sprays azerite on the ground?>
last eagle
Has anyone had the chance to test triple azerite veins and bloodsport?
onyx vessel
Seems like a good test
hazy galleon
Any1 with a good protection gear/stat guide of some sort?
quiet kettle
triple AV is great, but it doesnt proc often enough
raka, haste > vers > mast > crit > str
pins has a guide for traits, and trinks
round vortex
That’s almost correct
quiet kettle
last i remember seeing the stat guide thats what it was
round vortex
Ilvl > haste > vers = mastery > crit
round vortex
Just minor error there is no real favourite for vers and mastery. If you are lucky enough to have multiple pieces and not effect haste then you could swap for magic or phys heavy fights
Nah it’s the strength bro mostly anyway
Bigger IP, str gives armour as well.
quiet kettle
but in terms of gems/enchants, str is at the bottom
and y we take haste enchant over mast/vers or even armor
round vortex
Ok I’ll be more specific lol I’m not trying to debate I’m just trying to give the full picture without retyping the entire guide. Ilvl is because of 3 main contributors. Str and stam are from the raw ilvl. More AP bigger IP and more armour. There is a post from marok explaining the value of stam that I’ll save myself the trouble. But the 3rd thing is that more often than not “more stats” is better than the “best stats” all stats give some defensive value so we just want as much as we can which is why ilvl is an easy indicator as the items have bigger stat budgets. The rare case when comparing say 5 ilvl with crit heavy vs haste heavy might be the only case that breaks is but would depend how much (except jewellery)
It’s the overall package that makes ilvl the best stat for us
quiet kettle
tldr; stat weights are close enough together that more = better
round vortex
Yup 😁
One day some genius might write an API that can sim defensive values for us lol
They’d be mostly useless anyway.
quiet kettle
i could have a programming buddy i know look at api/apl and build one in a few days but hes swamped with schoolwork
stone crag
many have tried, all have failed
round vortex
It’s because the encounters are all different. Are you tanking or main tanking? Are you pooling rage or doing other things. Which CDs do you save for certain situations and what externals do you call for? Most raids have different healer set ups and all that jazz. Plus rage generation and that whole fiasco. Any time spent on it would be mostly wasted . Although a 100% uptime physical boss encounter would be cool to see 😃
west pelican
Did anyone notice the "season best" mythic+ UI to be bugged? It's showing different runs and levels of keys for me and my m+ teammates.
cinder pasture
Sooo, was expecting to get a 340 from emissary, not this 👀
sick sentinel
WHAT
amber siren
suck my ass
tiny mason
Is the next buffs to prot worth?
stone crag
worth?
tiny mason
10% armor buff from str and 5% stam
I want to lvl my warr, but does it compete with monk or DK? (I can play 2 tanks only)
stray wedge
It's a reasonable buff
You should play whichever tanks you enjoy the most, though
Really you need to try them for yourself to see how you like them
tiny mason
I like prot warr (was my main until the nice nerf in EN)
But if u look how op is dk and monk now, u can’t risk playing warr xD
stone crag
of course you can, if you're not in the top % of guilds what you play matters less than actually performing well, and you can do that with every tank
tiny mason
With this buffs and gear scaling, warrior might have huge potential
stone crag
this recent hotfix definitely didn't put warr on par with the top tanks, that's not news. There's still planned changes happening on PTR realms.
tiny mason
We r 3 days raiding with 3/8 M hopefully 4/8 tonight) not hardcore, but sometimes playing the best tank matter for our level
ember arrow
"U cant risk playimg warrior" what
sharp lotus
If you feel that the class will hold you back, you probably shouldn't play it.
tiny mason
Thats why i’m asking u here, if anyone progressing mythic and not having major issues
ember arrow
tanking in m is boring
u figure out pulls in 5 tries then wipe 50 times because of others. Unless the tank you play is extremely unsuited for na encounter it doesnt matter at all
see warrior on star augur
stone crag
big yikes
ember arrow
as long as youre not a huge liability to the healers
crisp dawn
hey guys just wanted some opinion bout m+
i should forget getting pug invite as a prot right? since we are labeled as worst tank for the xpac
crisp dawn
since my guild works most for the day
and they a bit more on the chill n grill side
not like me who starts grinding m+ until he got what he wanted
ember arrow
well, not getting accepted into pugs was a problem in legion too
crisp dawn
when i read all these threads
ember arrow
im well aware of what you mean
crisp dawn
i lose all motivation playing warrior.... ugh ._.
ember arrow
i dislike current warrior because of the playstyle
i liked it in legion
i mained it then, even though it wasnt the strongest option either. Let's hope that 8.1 will bring soem changes with it
crisp dawn
ye
ember arrow
theres little you can do about the perception though
uneven mason
Playstyle is perfect!
gleaming veldt
Is devestator a dps increase in ST?
Like we're talking zero adds
(compared to the other talent)
gleaming veldt
Wooh, thx. Finally a (lol) use for my fav talent.
sharp lotus
demo shout may still be more viable in certain fights where you burst like on ghuun
prime kernel
yo, is blockades still valiable for us if i dont have anything else atm ? (finished my prot 2 days ago and got some random 335 WQ trins), gonna farm the haste ones today on m+ , but can get a cheap deck aswell
mortal pike
Yes it is
shut summit
ye @prime kernel
mental scarab
The extra stam and random heal is nice in m+
spiral nova
How is prot warriors at the moment? Been thinking of having one as an alt
uneven mason
Its challenging to play optimally
Prot is good enough to tank any content, but requires a lot of focus on the tanks part, and your healers can't slack, everything about us has to be proactive
Basically if you want a character to challenge you and keep you focused, Prot will be amazing. If you want something you can fall asleep and still do ok with, probably not the best choice.
spiral nova
Alrighty, awesome thanks
sick sentinel
playing a game to fall asleep to. hm.
open bluff
But I'm too full of rage to plan ahead