first time I did that my GM (who was a BDK) shit himself I'm pretty sure.
#protection
uneven mason
wanton zealot
Yo bois, need your opinion on something
static pilot
^^
obsidian siren
uneven mason
Levko is like the highschool QB breaking out that Sr year book
obsidian siren
Memeclaws in baguettespeak
wanton zealot
340 Rezan's Gleaming Eye (+40 haste gem) / 355 Fathoms / 350 Jes' Howler / 380 Doom's Fury / 355 Blockades
obsidian siren
Blockades/Jes
wanton zealot
I need to use 2 trinkets (duh), which ones?
static pilot
I think my favorite part of prot in legion was checking "damage taken" on Skada
static pilot
and seeing that you were 17th out of an 18 man raid on hc
uneven mason
350 Jes and Blockades
ember arrow
u were 18th only because there were 18 people
uneven mason
I think
static pilot
10% went through IP ๐
wanton zealot
really? doom's fury doesn't come ahead even at 380?
wanton zealot
Yeah i was thinking about the str
dapper sky
Between fathoms and blockades. How much survivability am I sacrificing for dps? In other words if I have no problems with blockades do you think switching out fathoms would cause issues?
dapper sky
Solid dps gain or no?
ember arrow
and a trinket wnt magically make u have them
fathoms is solid dps trink
really good actually
for ST
lucid kelp
just curious if my Azerite level is 22 is that super low?
stone crag
not really
chrome falcon
not really
depends on your azerite pieces too
if you're wearing full mythic uldir you should probably have a few more levels
wanton zealot
im gonna use jes / blockades then
woeful reef
So with the changes to armor, according to the in-game character sheet I'm at 34.24% DR from armor now, will be 35.93 after the buff. So ~1.7% more on the char sheet. Does that count as a ~9.5% buff or a 1.7% buff? (9.5% more effective than before). I know with the higher K values it will go down, just don't really understand how to read it or how significant of a buff it will be
wanton zealot
thanks
ember arrow
AP is definitely less of an issue than in legion
ember arrow
skillforge
lucid kelp
Im still using Blockades and a 355 Incessantly ticking clock...cause no higher trinkets have dropped for me
lucid kelp
Ok so Im like 1 level 'short' and thats only 2k AP away
and its not even that big of a deal
obsidian siren
355 clock is pretty great
uneven mason
@ember arrow that's the first trinket I've gotten...besides a single Titanforged flask (to 340)
SO my luck went from "bad" to "You're just fucking trolling now"
obsidian siren
idk how to feel about that mythrax trinket
obsidian siren
No i mean the trinket in general
uneven mason
Oh, in general its not good
obsidian siren
Has such a dagger hilt feel to it
Like, i'm gonna take a shatter, it's gonna proc and i'm not even gonna use that abs
lucid kelp
Depending on the situation....it could be useful....better than nothing
obsidian siren
depends on my critblock :p
uneven mason
Just make sure DS is going to be up for Combo, SW will be avail every other...get a pain sup for the others ๐
obsidian siren
yeah i know, was a bit surprising on the first pulls or so
but that's tipically the issue i have with crit block
SB + SW and a critblock comes along
feels like such a waste of SW
oblique garnet
Wait so is the mythrax trinket actually decent on heroic?
Because the normal felt really weak
chrome falcon
it's massively undertuned
so yeah it's pretty bad
i don't understand blizzard's obsession with making these terrible trinkets that give you a shitty tiny shield on a crazy high cooldown
oblique garnet
I have the big red button and the proc crit trinket on m+10 titanforged
chrome falcon
there were a ton of them in legion too and they were all super bad
oblique garnet
but the big red button vs blockades which is actually better
chrome falcon
blockades defensively for sure
oblique garnet
Yeah ive been thinking that since on bosses like zul the debuff hurts like a mf it would make more sense to take it
obsidian siren
big red button is purely DPS
robust bronze
are there some prot trait that are generally better for m+ or should i just go with the list on icy-veins?
obsidian siren
and crit is a very weak defensive stat (except for BrMs)
oblique garnet
Well i have 355 fathoms and rezans gleaming eye so the titanforged crit proc seems to be worth more
modest totem
you want at least one deafening crash
obsidian siren
that 385 mythrax trinket would literally absorb 2 ticks of the tank debuff on H Zul ^^
gaunt coyote
big red button has such a long flight time, you could fire it then switch right?
obsidian siren
i'd go fathoms rezans
oblique garnet
yeah but thats assuming you dont fall below 40% before the p2
obsidian siren
2 ticks is really not a lot
oblique garnet
yeah 2 ticks is not alot
obsidian siren
especially for a 20 sec debuff
oblique garnet
4 stacks however is pretty much the breaking point where you might not survive
I did an lfr where i got to 9 stacks before the other tank decided to taunt even though i was spamming him to taunt
obsidian siren
Plus it's a bleed, so SR is useless
oblique garnet
if i was cutting edge raider i honestly would have switched to brm or bdk but i just cant change purely because prot warrior is way too much fun
tiny sphinx
life must be nice in bizarro world
oblique garnet
Wdym youre not having fun playing prot? o.O
quaint kiln
APM has never been higher!
My skill is through the roof
I use click to move to make it more challenging
Like Iโm playing a moba
oblique garnet
The problem is if you play the โopโ tanks i would get bored midway through and just quit. Just because warriors take more effort its keeping my interest in the game and doing m+ and raids is the most fun ive had in a while
Last weeks affixes were the only one to give me hard time purely because of the quaking
strong hill
i have a 375 eye, i can attest, you will absorb 2 ticks, the whole time you will sit there and wish you had something else i to deal with this damn thing ๐ค
oblique garnet
Im actuallt excited to start raiding mythic with our guild since bunch of the players were pretty casual before and our tank combination is by far the worst for progress
strong hill
what do u have?
junior igloo
double warrior ๐ฆ
oblique garnet
Dh and a warrior
strong hill
were running bear/warrior
oblique garnet
Like for reals we aint making cutting edge but who cares since its pretty casual guild etc i havent been hardcore raiding since cata and im having more fun ive had raiding in ages
Nah we are just running as me as the main tank and dh tanking the thrash on fetid and such etc
It works better for our guild
However i would appreciate it if @junior igloo you would give your opinion on what are the best trinkets to have on prot
oblique garnet
I gave up on trying to be the best the moment i gave up hardcore raiding now i just want to clear and have fun doing so
junior igloo
Defensively Blockades, Bandages and Veiled Eye.
Offensively Fathoms is really high, otherwise you can check the sim rankings for prot paladin (and discount the 2-min CD trinkets a bit since they don't line up as well with cooldowns for a warrior)
oblique garnet
Veiled eye is the mythrax one right?
obsidian siren
Yes
oblique garnet
Imo if i run blockades + one offensive trinket i can cover up one of our weaker dps
I think so
Im not on pc rn so cant check it out
outer dew
I mean what it comes down to is
obsidian siren
I can remember the DK guide
outer dew
did I survive the encounter and healers got Mana to burn?
yes? I can probably get away pushing more do
obsidian siren
It pretty much said "any point beyond what you need to survive should be used for DPS"
outer dew
You just gauge and temper based on your own performance
obsidian siren
SO it's all about finding your, and your healers', comfort point
oblique garnet
Well true i can survive most scenarios but honestly its all up for our healers
oblique garnet
I like how this discord is compared to the warlock discord back in legion
obsidian siren
All in all, trinkets don't have a HUGE impact on our survivability either
next goblet
so im trying to carry my healer bud thru an underrot+2
im 355 so it should be no issue right?
WRONG
this groups full of dummies lol
oblique garnet
You should avoid the ticks if the healer is low geared
sick sentinel
prot life best life.
oblique garnet
@next goblet as long as you avoid those and actually interrupt the priestesses before the first boss it isnt actually that hard
timid jay
Friendly message to not get to excited about the pinned post
Roughly a 248 armor gain for me
obsidian siren
TBH, 11% DR just from that seemed a bit too good
next goblet
i officially hate prot in dungeons
hot locust
Pretty sure it's 11% increased from what just vanguard's contribution was and not overall DR.
oblique garnet
In m0 you can pull like the half of the dungeon without dying
In atal dazar im taking all the adds + priestess at the same time without issues
timid jay
In that case its a bit misleadingly worded at the very least lala
oblique garnet
Same in +2
hot locust
I agree
fierce juniper
No I made a mistake in my math
hot locust
๐คฆ
fierce juniper
it's a 1.45% dr increase
Prot Buffs: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769527059#post-1
- Vanguard now increases armor by 50% of Strength (was 45%).
- Vanguard increases Stamina by 40% (was 35%).
The Stamina increase works out to a ~3.7% Health increase.
The Armor increase works out to a ~1.45% damage reduction.
These buffs aren't really that impactful and a bit underwhelming, but they may be a temporary change as it seems they might have some mechanical changes coming in a later patch. So don't assume these are the only buffs we're receiving.
pulsar canopy
marok let's kill zekvoz
timid jay
but yeah, I get 11.1% increase from vangaurd
pulsar canopy
hehe
fierce juniper
timid jay
๐
oblique garnet
Thats one buff we are getting
timid jay
Creeping out of the woods when theres math to be done
obsidian siren
So the DR brought by vanguard has increased by 11%
obsidian siren
Yeah
oblique garnet
And since majority of the people on reddit and such are complaining we are bound to get more buffs
obsidian siren
Well that buff is kinda minor
oblique garnet
At this point ill take any buffs we can get
timid jay
HP will most likely matter more
oblique garnet
Atleast during uldir when majority of the debuffs are just set hp which you cant reallt block etc
next goblet
@oblique garnet i cant pull that much when im #2 on dps meter as prot
oblique garnet
@next goblet it doesnt matter you can do it as long as you dont die, its hard to keep up with prot aoe damage
next goblet
i shouldn't be #2 dps on the every boss in underrot
oblique garnet
Oh you mean ST
oblique garnet
Thats a problem
oblique garnet
However i do like 9k dps on ST
next goblet
what ilvl are you?
atomic vector
ST?
next goblet
yea you're a bit higher than me lol
oblique garnet
True
atomic vector
Thanks
next goblet
the fact i did more dps than a higher geared fury war bothers me
oblique garnet
These days you cant pick the groups based on ilvl
I do more dps as prot than i do on fury even with proper traits
I just dont have good weapons tho
earnest zinc
The buffs aren't going to be noticeable
oblique garnet
Thats good
Because as long as buffs keep coming prot warriors can do their things and be untouched
They get small buffs etc
earnest zinc
I just got around 240 more armor and 6.5k more health
oblique garnet
But the moment they get major buffs and become op we will get nerfed hard
atomic vector
Which tank is the worst atm ?
earnest zinc
Guardian
oblique garnet
Id say so
atomic vector
Wow ... worst than prot war ๐ฎ
oblique garnet
Prot is difficult for sure
earnest zinc
Prot Warrior is decent if played well
oblique garnet
But its not worst
open bluff
Druids only have ranged DPS right now
Can't tank, melee sucks, resto is questionable (according to the mrs)
next goblet
i have better luck in raids than i do in dungeons as prot
oblique garnet
I havent gotten a single 370+ helm
On my warr
Today i got lucky during parse run on my prot and got a helm
earnest zinc
Prot is decent in raids, but still weak in M+
atomic vector
I got it this day on mother ^^
next goblet
very weak in m+
atomic vector
Yes :/
oblique garnet
This weeks affixes are easy for prot o.O
brazen sequoia
Guys, I got into a mythic guild, 5/8, they replaced me with their second monk because I have more knowledge and experience wooop ๐
next goblet
not when you get paired with poopers
oblique garnet
I never pug high keys
earnest zinc
The good news for me is I don't really care because I won't push past a +9 ever
oblique garnet
If you pug keys past 5+ its mostly about dps
next goblet
at this point, 355.. i could prob do a +5 with little issue
oblique garnet
Aand majority of the dps dont really do the mechanics
next goblet
as long as my healer was good
brazen sequoia
360 and I do +10 with no issues!
oblique garnet
At 355 you could do +10 without issues
brazen sequoia
other than crappy healers/dps ofc
oblique garnet
Its all about finding good people
next goblet
yeah
brazen sequoia
^
earnest zinc
You shouldn't have any problems with gearing in M+
It's only a problem if you are trying for records
next goblet
yeah i just get bad groups i guess lol
earnest zinc
Runs fail usually because dps fail at mechanics, not because I'm squishy
brazen sequoia
haha I got declined for a +2 tol dagor earlier because "you havent done temple" like, there's literally no loot in there that I can use stat-wise
maybe like one items
oblique garnet
I got declined on uldir normal that had requirement of 340
As 368
โYoure prot warrior they are badโ
earnest zinc
That guy is a retard
atomic vector
Normal uldir ๐
brazen sequoia
Lol Wtf. Got into uldir hc as 345 couple of weeks ago and did it almost flawlessly
oblique garnet
Yeah people in EU are really biased as to what method folks have to say
And when sco said prot warrior is hopeless they take it to the heart
brazen sequoia
Im Iin The EU ๐ญ
oblique garnet
O.o you got lucky
brazen sequoia
1500 days played over 3 warriors so... Yea
oblique garnet
Damn son
brazen sequoia
I have No life
brazen sequoia
๐ Why play that shit When you Can play prot warrior
oblique garnet
Shit prot warrior is way more fun than playing dps warlock
brazen sequoia
My dog is judging you now
next goblet
i like my prot war/BDK/BrM but since 2/3 of those are FotM i only play prot war lol
i refuse to play the flavor class
oblique garnet
Ever since cata ive been wanting to tank but my gulld has always have other tanks so i had to dps
brazen sequoia
But they taste good
oblique garnet
Finally im getting my chance and i dont care if its not FoTM we are still clearing the raids
brazen sequoia
Gguun ahield is bis right?
oblique garnet
Its pretty good
oblique garnet
Same
But the gโhuun shield is nice
Tbf you can get one from pvp that is probably better with haste + versa stars
Thst however requires for you to get to challenger or duelist
brazen sequoia
Aye . Got The motherlode one 360 and gor The ghiun one as 360 WF So I swapped it
Cant pvp
oblique garnet
So many hours on warrior and you dont pvp?๐ค
brazen sequoia
Already Got cancer, dont Want sods from pvp ๐
Never pvpd man
Did quests and farmer stuff for feasts and flasks
*aids not sods
brazen sequoia
I mean I did AV back in vanilla to get The frostwolf howler and thatโs it
Think weโll get gladiator stance back or is it too broken?
oblique garnet
My friend plays rogue alot and everytime he duels me he is surprised when i pretty much 4 shot him
It was definitely too broken
It aint never coming back for prot
oblique garnet
With how you can stack traits rn
In pvp
The damage that prot does is ridiculous
sick sentinel
yeah AOE damage pretty silly.
sick sentinel
- coordinate oppressor burst on some kid w/ your team.
instan +15% damage all sources.
oblique garnet
- perma root with avatar
brazen sequoia
I cry
brazen sequoia
but I wanna steal other ppls shield .. h wait, personal loo
oblique garnet
What shield are you using atm?
brazen sequoia
ghuun N 360 wf
oblique garnet
Well thats pretty good
oblique garnet
Eu
oblique garnet
Horde
brazen sequoia
โค
oblique garnet
Highest lvl ive ever gotten on alliance is 8
brazen sequoia
wanna try some dungs sometime?
oblique garnet
Sure
brazen sequoia
fernan#21449 ๐
oblique garnet
Add Late#2916
brazen sequoia
aight wll d after my burger
brazen sequoia
ah dw ๐
oblique garnet
Its 5am afterall :p
brazen sequoia
only 4 here ๐
oblique garnet
I gotta level up my druid and monk sometime when i get to it
brazen sequoia
got a shitte hunter that I dont know how to play
oblique garnet
I have 4 alts at 120 but only priest is geared atm
obsidian siren
Please don't remind me of my 10 alts i still have to level ๐ฆ
brazen sequoia
should probably level my druid...
oblique garnet
@obsidian siren if you do one zone a day its easy
brazen sequoia
^
oblique garnet
Takes like 1-2 hours max
brazen sequoia
aye
oblique garnet
Or you can do island expeditions to get 25% xp per one
next goblet
2nd boss
obsidian siren
10 hearts of azeroth to grind
outer dew
Or just save your self loathing and do island expeditions or dugneons
next goblet
how can i not get stunned?
oblique garnet
Interrupt tje stun cast
oblique garnet
Both
brazen sequoia
eh, the fear?
next goblet
no the 30sec stun lol
brazen sequoia
or the stunlock?
oblique garnet
Jes and the orher bitxh
obsidian siren
The boss does, or are you talking about the 30 sec one?
outer dew
You're talking about the stum from near the end
oblique garnet
Just kick it
brazen sequoia
ppl will have to stun Bobbu
next goblet
oh ok
obsidian siren
Hit bobby hard
next goblet
so it was a fail of the group not just me
because i interrupted the fear
and then next thing i know
brazen sequoia
yes
next goblet
stunned 30sec
oblique garnet
But yeah island expeditions give 25% xp each so its easy leveling
next goblet
and im over here like ๐คท๐ฟ "im dead"
oblique garnet
Yea pretty much its a group effort
brazen sequoia
^
next goblet
ah, yeah i didnt see jes casting it
oblique garnet
The last boss is fun
brazen sequoia
ever tried being kicked from ataldazar because someone died to the eh... chase part? like, as if it's my fault you can't fucking run away xD
oblique garnet
Ive never been kicked out from a dungeon
oblique garnet
Yeah alot of people were saying it was hard
brazen sequoia
wwhat's the human racial?
next goblet
i dont have the racial up for the stun on jes because i usually pop it on the groupwide stun to get some free threat on the mobs he lets out
oblique garnet
Pvp trinket pretty much
brazen sequoia
ah
brazen sequoia
wow
oblique garnet
I have highmountain tauten
sick sentinel
tauren main master.
brazen sequoia
how dare you!
sick sentinel
๐
next goblet
dont worry i have an orc warrior too boiz
next goblet
straight back obvi
outer dew
Panda Warrior memes
oblique garnet
Orc i mean
sick sentinel
have a troll hunter been meaning to play.
but cba.
warrior prot/arms life too fun.
brazen sequoia
well bidding you goodnight. ๐ Enjoy your friday
next goblet
peace brudda
oblique garnet
I have warr,mage,wlock,priest and rogue
Gn
Monk and druid are still on 110 but when i get around to it i could actually lvl them to 120
next goblet
islands bruv
sick sentinel
have hunter, mage, DK, druid all 110, 2nd warrior 113, warrior main 120
islands is life. but cba to pug heroics.
sick sentinel
when they never listen to ignore the small shits and just follow as I grab the elites/rares.
oblique garnet
Cant bother about = cba
next goblet
i mean i got my monk up to 115 pretty quick
oblique garnet
Gotta take a lil break
sick sentinel
theres a spot in nazmir I noticed people constant AOE blood trolls that instantly respawned on them 5-10+ at a time.
next goblet
but im wondering how much longer it'll take
oblique garnet
Well 4 and a main
oblique garnet
We dont do alt raids so idk why did i even lvl up so many lul
next goblet
because its a change of pace
oblique garnet
And my warlock just because it used to be my main
sick sentinel
oh yeah. have a 110 pally too.
oblique garnet
But fuck paladins tho
sick sentinel
another cow for JC.
oblique garnet
The single most boring class in the game
oblique garnet
Dont
sick sentinel
but im not a warrior traitor (unless I quit the game)
oblique garnet
Its not being a traitor unless you shittalk warrior
next goblet
i kinda wanna try out a mage
oblique garnet
Frost is fun
analog pewter
man, those prot buffs feel kind of lackluster
next goblet
class fantasy i think arcane is just the coolest spec
oblique garnet
Well i guess it makes sense
sick sentinel
frost is indeed fun.
oblique garnet
I just find arcane boring
oblique garnet
Fire and frost are fun on the otherhabd
sick sentinel
but looks like can still do the string of silly crit shatter blitz w/ blizzard/icicles/orb/comet/cone of cold
oblique garnet
None of the mage specs are terrible rn
Fire only sucks at pce
Pve
But shines in pvp
Rest are good in pve
next goblet
mines like level 40 something
oblique garnet
Gearing alts is pain in the ass without the warfront/guildies willing to run m0
inland mesa
Did I miss the vanguard buff talk, I feel like it's underhwelming
next goblet
you did i believe
sick sentinel
fml wish there was an easier way to track War Supply Crates. I can hear them, target them, but never see.
open bluff
it is
sick sentinel
and dont have anything to give me a direction.
oblique garnet
We cant be too picky
open bluff
extra health is nice but armor is pretty meh
oblique garnet
He did the math
inland mesa
I guess 11.5% isn't horrible
inland mesa
but 6k health increase? omggggg
next goblet
tanks us up a little bit lol
oblique garnet
Imo all we need is IP off the gcd and warriors are fine compared to other classes
sick sentinel
cant say no to more armor.
oblique garnet
Like thats the only thing warriors need to be from being the least played to being pretty ok
next goblet
3 things that a lot of us would love to see
devastator baseline, IP off GCD, more hp
solemn current
Wouldnt really need devastator baseline if IP was off GCD
oblique garnet
I tried it and ran out of rage all the time
solemn current
It was a great talent when we had high APM and it wasn't on the same tier as BV
oblique garnet
It just isnt worth it
inland mesa
So, if you're going to sell keys, M+10 temple, no, just no. No way to reset 3rd boss necrotic unless you run around stupid
solemn current
and people who arent stupid and actually soak the pillars
outer dew
Boss should do before it reaches a level it matters for stacks
solemn current
spotted the guy who doesnt run with pugs
oblique garnet
I dont do pugs
outer dew
+10's are hella popular
oblique garnet
Most of the time they do less dps than i do
inland mesa
@fierce juniper your vectis attempts look like ours and it hurts my soul, please ffs soak XD
forest egret
Iโve been playing arms this whole time. Are the prot buffs doing enough? Seems like they are pretty weak.
stone crag
the October 2nd buffs definitely aren't huge, but it's acting as a bandaid until the PTR changes go live
ember arrow
i did it
forest egret
Iโve been paying attention to MMOC. Has anything been posted for warrior prot? I havenโt noticed anything that seemed like it would be a big buff.
ember arrow
9.5k overall dps
weary python
@stone crag Are we getting decent changes on PTR?
stone crag
so far all we know is the Mastery change
wild rapids
Consensus is higher iLvl > Secondaries unless losing DC, correct?
outer dew
@forest egret check pina
sick sentinel
wide fiber
random cypress
does Shield Wall count for AM checks? with or without Bolster talent?
broken kite
no
random cypress
(2nd half of that Q was supposed to mention Last Stand)
broken kite
and last stand works with bolster, not shield wall. And answer is the same - no, only shield block
^
๐
random cypress
thx
random cypress
thx
broken kite
virtually pointless
dark junco
Oh thats the ยซย hotfixย ยป thats not the changes
open bluff
They said changes weren't until 8.1
dark junco
^
broken kite
mechanical changes yeah
no reason not to make bandaid changes more impactful though
doesn't require class resdesign
oh well
dark junco
They probably donโt want to over do it, since if 8.1 is around thw corner, they might have to nerf us if it happens to be too much
broken kite
: )
sick sentinel
Logging on into some more armor and more stam is not that bad though
steel mauve
also there are no AM checks, just a defensive check to not take damage
broken kite
only in pre bfa content AFAIk
random cypress
I coulda swore the bear in Arathi warfront does an AM check when it charges that stuns it/keeps it from moving
sick sentinel
I think you can parry that
dark junco
Donโt remember if that one you can parry
Theres one you can, and theres one that follows you wereever you turn
steel mauve
currently there arent any AM checks in bfa
dark junco
Whereever? Wherever?
sick sentinel
Because I am just wearing the highest ilvl piece of gear I have, I have a lot of crit (and a crit trinket)
random cypress
is there official word on if the active AM check thing is gone and done then? or they just didn't bother to add any this tier?
sick sentinel
So figuring out how many shit you can parry is amazing
steel mauve
as far as i know they just didnt bother
dark junco
iirc there is @random cypress just cant remember where
steel mauve
i havent heard any thing of them being done with it
dark junco
Lemme google that
sick sentinel
what counts as an AM check?
steel mauve
an ability that will not have a secondary effect when you have an active mitigation up
sick sentinel
Oh ok
Well there are abilities like the armor reduction from the right boss on the council fight in kings rest
If you parry it you do not get knocked back OR get the debuff
steel mauve
thats not an AM check
sick sentinel
Parries do not count though I know
steel mauve
if it didnt apply while shield block was up then ya that would be an am check, but it gets applied regardless unless you literally just dont get hit by shear luck of dodge or parry
steel mauve
there are abilities that just hit a fuck ton that dbm announces for you that you need an AM up for to reduce dmg, but thats not an AM check
ember arrow
dumb mechanic AM checks
good thing theyre gone
since different tanks metigate dmg differently
sick sentinel
Technically terrible thrash is an AM check
steel mauve
ya i couldnt pin point one in recent memory, but that gives a good example captain for me to explain an AM check
stone crag
so far there aren't any AM checks in BFA
steel mauve
its a you die if you dont have AM up but its not a check
sick sentinel
Because if you do not have AM up you die
ember arrow
not necessarily
stone crag
that's not how it works
ember arrow
with a specific build
i can take them passively
on dk
until enrage no need for cds
steel mauve
well technically as a dk your am is after the dmg goes out
ember arrow
that doesnt make thrash an AM check
steel mauve
but we are in the prot warrior discord, so i can explain it from a prot wars perspective
im aware what an AM check is
sick sentinel
Can you give me an example from like legion bosses
stone crag
From Thyme's old Spreadsheet for Legion, https://puu.sh/BCIFn/7be69faa6c.png
ember arrow
@sick sentinel last boss NL
stone crag
If you didn't have AM up, you gained a debuff
ember arrow
first boss VOTW
steel mauve
you get thrown back if you dont have an AM up
ember arrow
if thrash was an AM check
sick sentinel
Oohhh ok
stone crag
but that wasn't an issue for warriors because you could reflect it
ember arrow
it would have additional effects if AM wasnt up
stone crag
right
sick sentinel
Now it's just an auto attack
sick sentinel
Yeah we did
sick sentinel
Armor buff for those terrible shots and rock throws
timber nest
its only a 1.5% DR
sick sentinel
And some extra stamina for those "why does this other tank spec have 220k hp and you only 180k "
hexed geyser
haha
stone crag
that's not really new though ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ember arrow
its not 1.5%
sick sentinel
People are stupid
timber nest
round up to sound nicer than it really is
hexed geyser
so what makes blizzard think that we need that little of a buff lmao
stone crag
you're saying prot needs zero buffs?
sick sentinel
We should not get bugr buffs right now
hexed geyser
no am saying we need more buffs
stone crag
it's a bandaid fix to hold off until ptr goes live
timber nest
ignore pain honestly needs a rework, or better scaling with strength because it doesnt do jack shit on higher content
sick sentinel
I would not be surprised if we had no buffs
And then a complete rework
So every little bandaid buff is 1000% welcome
forest fern
if they are reworking mastery as suspected then yes their should be no major buffs in the meantime otherwise it could break everything
sick sentinel
That's why I'm not expecting buffs
forest fern
we don't know that like reactionary passive healing from block, or ignore pain enhancment from black is coming in a new mastery (just some examples of suspected possibilities)
*block
if thats the case then enhancing stam and str too much before it could be problematic to that balancing
timber nest
i dont remember a time when prot was honestly this bad
forest fern
its not bad it just has a higher skill cap than it ever did, i mean in teh past its been rather low from a tank perspective
dark junco
I really wonder what the mastery is gonna be. Might make mastery and haste BiS
Oh wait
forest fern
the same way dk is dirt easy to play now but back in MoP was way way harder
dark junco
Lol =p
forest fern
nah they make it enhanced IP from crit rating and screw the pooch in all kind of ways ๐
forest fern
hey, crit was majorly useful in MoP, never know it could happen again
dark junco
Never played MoP
forest fern
parry rage makes a triumphant return would be funny
timber nest
prot warrior in MOP was broken
forest fern
prot warrior in MoP was awesome
timber nest
you just stacked parry/dodge and GG
forest fern
true but if they want us to make mitigation "choices" again, bring back shield block and shield barrier, same high rage cost but no parry rage that allowed you to stack them so much, that way we do have to choice our poison basically
dark junco
Were going back to tbc
forest fern
using cooldowns as the second mitigation effect is just dangerous atm
hexed geyser
I love this skill cap that prot warrs keep speaking of as if it is the SOLE reason why warriors are not popular at the moment
dark junco
With threat reduction and all
hexed geyser
it is NOT the skill cap it is the CLASS itself, it is WEAK compared to other tanks and thats just what it is
dark junco
Well its the main reason: if you screw up youโre dead
hexed geyser
no matter how skilled you are
forest fern
it has more problems than the skillcap yes, the gcd change affected it way more than othre tanks not so much in power but clunkyness and flowrate. Also yes IP is not appealing
dark junco
Warrior life is: 100% hp or 0% hp. Rarely in-between.
forest fern
but those are possible full redesign problems and if we aren't getting that for an expansion again, than we have to look at smaller power increases to fill in the mitigation gaps created by those "flow" issues
which if they are changing mastery is one way to do it without a full redesign potentially
all of this wasn't welcome either on a full game tanking and healing nerf, the two arriving on each others backs probably make it feel even worse than it might have been. Current warrior with legion healing and passive tanking wouldn't have felt this bad.
steel mauve
is the icyveins link broken in the guides and resources channel in discord? for prot
stone crag
yes
hot locust
@fierce juniper ^
steel mauve
leave it to google
sly shadow
Howdy friends. Iโm a new warrior and plan on doing arms/prot. How does prot handle in m+? I donโt think I will be persuaded from playing it but it does not seem to have a very robust tool kit as far as cc goes
hot locust
It's ok, takes a lot of comfortability with both the dungeon and prot overall to really perform well though since falling behind in defensives is brutal.
stone crag
yeah, takes more effort but it's viable
manic sentinel
main vault
Good meme
ionic obsidian
Yeah that was kinda my first thought too.
whole valve
i imagine the conversation betwen devs:
"but boss... what about warrior tanks? what should we do?"
"who plays prot warrios? Bah, just give them anything irrelevant while we say we are working for the 8.1 changes"
ionic obsidian
"Oh man, 5% armor and stamina! High keys here I come!!!" ๐
a buff is nice but yeah this isn't going to suddenly make us more desirable.
chrome harbor
called the lazy % buffs
stone crag
๐ Band-Aid ๐ Fix ๐
steel mauve
minor changes coming in the mean time, this probably wont be the last until we get a proper fix
outer dew
I mean
I don't think you will have problems running 10's
Which I don't think is the worst
But then again. My prot spec is 366
fair crystal
yeah Warrs arnt in the best spot but you can get 10s done pretty chill as long as you got a good team/group comp going
errant dagger
Wtf is this ๐ is this some bad joke?
fair crystal
Nope its legit
upbeat folio
I'm not sure what you were expecting.
They will only do so much via hotfix.
More health is good. More damage reduction is good.
fair crystal
its not much but at this point anything helps ๐
chrome harbor
Its pretty obvious that now is the lazy % buffs and 8.1 is the actual changes, hopefully for the better (if the rest of teh expansion is any indication itll be untested so the changes could go either way)
< also a fire mage and resto shaman, so interested to see what happens.
sick sentinel
hotfixes are like that.
they do technical buffs/changes in actual patches. requires background programming changes.
hotfixes are literal quick knob turns.
and thats what people are used to seeing
fair crystal
I Welcome any buff no matter how little or massive ๐ but yeah def interested to see what 8.1 brings for our mastery
chrome harbor
itll be interesting to see what they do to mastery
sick sentinel
imma laugh if everyones fooled thinking they're changing it when its just a tooltip edit.
chrome harbor
i think the posibilities break down to;
- Change to how it interacts with block
- Does something with a hopefully buffed mastery
- Something completely different that tries to cover for poor play to help lower the ceiling (not that I agree but it does seem to be a wish of theirs)
sick sentinel
- tooltip simplification. same with taunt.
fair crystal
Got a feeling its def something that buffs the about of Damage reduction we gain while IP is active
What i would love to see is something like this (Bloodrage) for every 10 rage you spend you heal for % mastery spent ๐
neon tangle
@chrome harbor Iโm guessing they will raise the floor instead of lowering the ceiling ๐
Also wow community perception is bad, so many denies on groups tonight
chrome harbor
yea raise the floor, thats what i meant my bad
fair crystal
@neon tangle yeah bro feel ya there man
then gett insta INV on my Blood Dk thats like 20 ilvls lower than my warrior lol
Warriors IO is like 680 so not the best but not the Lowest by any means
fair crystal
ouch ๐ฆ
neon tangle
I need to get my raider.io score up tho
Last week was the first time Iโve had a real chance to do m+
And fort teeming is not a great way to start that
quiet kettle
u could handle a 6 just fine, 7+ will be tough for prot
we dont have great ways to deal with necrotic
quiet kettle
shrine's only real spot of issue would be 2nd boss
lusty grotto
this is why having friends to run M+ is so important lol, too bad they die to mechanics so we can't really push keys
quiet kettle
shrine is primarily caster dmg
sick sentinel
How are you guys doing in higher keys this week? Just curious, thanks.
quiet kettle
not well, as i just mentioned above. prot doesnt have good ways to efficiently deal with necrotic
sick sentinel
I thought we mitigate necrotic via critical block? I could be off
quiet kettle
ur best bet honestly is to bring a monk healer imo
lusty grotto
kite kite kite ๐
neon tangle
Kiting has worked well for me
lusty grotto
we have decent mobility
sick sentinel
Shockwave heroic leap and run? Lol
stone crag
block doesn't do anything directly to necrotic
neon tangle
On bosses Iโve never had more than 4 stacks
quiet kettle
shockwave + leap still leaves ur dps open to taking aggro
sick sentinel
I read somewhere critical block negates a stack of necrotic
lusty grotto
what
stone crag
incorrect
neon tangle
@quiet kettle yo dawg use avatar, re engage when they drop
fair crystal
Talant Ravenget for Parry boys and girls ๐
lusty grotto
i mean i guess... if your dps is popping CDs while you're kiting for some reason
๐คท
lusty grotto
at that point you should be a mile ahead on threat
unkempt fox
@sadbox try tol dagor for some bosses necrotic
fair crystal
First boss Mhmmmm
quiet kettle
or freehold
neon tangle
Cause I never got above 4 or 5 on a freehold boss
As in you will get stacks? Or not?
quiet kettle
u will, especially against 2nd/last bosses
lusty grotto
you should but certain bosses stop hitting you for mechanics
if we're speaking generally that is
neon tangle
Every boss in there stops for mechanics, first boss does the shooting thing, second spins, third does casting / runs around, fourth also casts
neon tangle
Itโs an easy one this week imho
vocal nimbus
Most bosses are very forgiving with necrotic
round kayak
is the new food going to be a m+ staple? wonder if it works on raid bosses
vocal nimbus
This xpac
unkempt fox
had fun with jes howlis +11 without a rogue for sure
sick sentinel
I hear the first boss of TolโDagor is rough
Specifically for necrotic and the adds
outer dew
Hmm. I can't think of any boss i struggled or would struggle with necrotic stacks
I mean ya need a decent aoe group
Or the friend Steve from an ele shaman
neon tangle
I should drag the super geared enh shaman from my guild to TD for the first boss
tacit smelt
Pro tip for tanking last boss if Waycrest, pull boss to the back of room, the add spawn in a set location. It's best to let them jump on dps for initial aggro so you don't pick up extra necrotic stacks early
sick sentinel
Did Blizzard confirm anything about our mastery change? I may have missed something somewhere but I keep reading about a proposed mastery change but no clue as to what that change is?
quiet kettle
still havent been able to get into ptr to see
tons of ctd issues atm
hell my ptr has patched 4 times in the last 10 minutes
this has been the process lately: attempt to enter game, crash, submit bug, wait a minute, see a patch, w8 for patch to finish, try again.
sick sentinel
That sounds terrible
quiet kettle
its the same issue across a ton of different processes, mostly texture based it seems
looks like process issues with directx 12
elfin apex
Vanguard now increases armor by 50% of Strength (was 45%).
Vanguard increases Stamina by 40% (was 35%).
Ooh, watch out Monks. You're about to be replaced.
short mist
is that going to fix anything...
gray wolf
spells are still gonna hit you like surprise exams
elfin apex
Might be more changes come but maybe not ๐ค
gray wolf
8.1?
elfin apex
October 2nd
hot locust
elfin apex
This just a small bandaid before 8.1?
stone crag
yes
sick sentinel
topaz ember
What if ip make you block attacks while it was up
forest fern
honestly they should make the mastery your IP absorb is increased by a percentage of all damage blocked in the last so many seconds
kinda like how the death strike heal used to work on dk's
proper pecan
Dat would be to cool
forest fern
the only issue with it is i doubt they will do it cause it empowers IP only for gap filling between shield blocks and not for emergency usage for a spell thats incoming, unless you super prepare
which in turn may cut way way down the amount of external healing you require which they already said this expansion they don't want to happen since they want healers to do stuff to the tanks all the time not just when a tank buster ability comes in
i mean alternativly although its a bit complicated descriptor to implement you make a mastery that increases the absorb percentage of IP by X ammount if used while shield block is not currently active, forcing people to actually think, "should i use shield block for this or ignore pain based on what the spell type is"
but you almost already had that functionality with shield block and the earlier "shield barrier" in MoP so if they really wanted us to make decisions they should return it to that
stone crag
afaik it's decent for aoe
upbeat folio
I got a 385 version.
vocal nimbus
its pretty strong in aoe
fresh dragon
ohhhhh we got into a patch notes!!! we were not present in one patch notes sisce beta!!
๐ฎ
brave jetty
wait wait wait
errant dagger
To be honest I just donโt like this whole avatar demo gameplay ๐ฆ feels like playing ffxiv
brave jetty
the armor reduction % in the pin was originally miscalculated as TEN TIMES MORE than what it actually was?
stone crag
lol yup
brave jetty
i was in here earlier when it went from 14% to like 11 something
how in the actual fuck does that happen
that's pretty funny given how insane everyone gets when you ask something in here that might remotely be addressed in the pins, lol
stone crag
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
brave jetty
i did the napkin math off my own armor and saw it was only like +250 earlier, so 14% or whatever seemed mighty high but I figured there was something I simply didn't understand
what's funny is 11% wouldn't even fix us, lol
fresh dragon
im happy to have rerolled monk bm last sunday ;D
even if i have to put aside a 375 war prot ;V
silver breach
So i use fathoms and blockades and just got a 370 jes howler. Which would you replace?
brave jetty
fathoms ofc unless you want the damage at the expense of survivability
silver breach
Kk i thought so! wanted a secon opinion
upbeat folio
jes howler so sexy.
raven kernel
sick sentinel
hearty portal
sick sentinel
2 october
stone crag
hotfix
brave jetty
Damage reduction from armor, I phrased that poorly
amber siren
my prot warrior class fantasy is dying a lot so i welcome these armour reduction
stone crag
well of course, don't all warrior desire to go to Valhalla
vocal nimbus
i desire to go home to a good bowl of soup and a warm bed
stone crag
that's also acceptable
merry cave
More hp and armour
gray wolf
timid jay
You're not wrong batshark, it's roughly a 250 armor gain for me
Do note that the armor increase is slightly more effective in easier content because of K value scaling they introduced
sick sentinel
Hey there, is there a good Vengeance WA out there?
amber siren
vengeance isn't a good talent to use rn so no
sick sentinel
so BM all the way?
gray wolf
basically
sick sentinel
BV sorry
vocal nimbus
theres only one competitive build right now
vocal nimbus
you can choose the TC range or the speed boost after heroic leap
vocal nimbus
the others are pretty much fixated
gray wolf
cough 2 cough
sick sentinel
ty volkes. do we need to shield block during Bolster (talent) duration?
vocal nimbus
no
sick sentinel
Ravager is competitive, you just need to learn how 2 play
gray wolf
you don't want sb up
during last stand
last stand is a shield block
that increases hp
sick sentinel
nice. ty
vocal nimbus
ravager is not competitive at all, dont troll new players
gray wolf
ravager is like vanilla ice cream, bland and flavorless
sick sentinel
Anger Management for the win, tbh
So good!
inb4 it gets nerfed to make HR more competitive
sick sentinel
HR is not as bad as Ravager
Its passive, meaning people dont know youre using it
Thus avoiding humiliation
gray wolf
true
mellow bridge
@timid jay what is K value?
timid jay
Constant used for armor calculations
Armor DR is calculated with armor/(armor+K)
In BfA the K value changes depending on content
grand trellis
devastator or booming voice for M+?
amber siren
BV
frosty wedge
BV
amber siren
for efverything
uneven mason
There is no universe, even the shitty ones that DC comics cooks up, that Devastator in its current form is worth taking.
uneven mason
Yeah that 3% Health buff
gray wolf
uneven mason
+++
blissful imp
gonna get invited to so many groups!
gray wolf
there you go
gray wolf
27k absorb for 40 rage
blissful imp
last night I was all "At least it's something"
now that I slept on it I'm highly annoyed at that change
gray wolf
i want pre EN back
amber siren
i'd expect it to go hand in hand with any mastery changes
it's just a minor tuning change
blissful imp
are we even sure there are going to be mastery changes? or just speculation still?
because of the PTR removing mention of it
where the fuck is blizzard
rich robin
I was just able to get onto the PTR, and as of now we do not have a mastery
blissful imp
why can't they just put out a "This is what the direction we think we want Prot to go in"
amber siren
but it's likely
blissful imp
it's fucking dead obvious they have absolutely no fucking clue what to do with us
remember when they removed Ignore Pain in Beta
and said they were gonna give us something different?
what the fuck did we get?
amber siren
unfortunately we're one of the specs they ran out of time with in beta testing, I'd imagine 8.1 is them trying to remedy that
uneven mason
Dear Blizzard - Warriors need a better way to deal with magic damage, we have a wonderful tool in Ignore pain, however its currently too weak to make any sort of severe impact on the smoothing curve when it comes to repeated un-Blockable, Non-Armor Mitigated damage.
"OH You want more HP so pugs don't think you suck, ok"
blissful imp
I mean, all tanks kind of suck at dealing with Magic Damage, except Blood DK
their golden tank
amber siren
I mean that's really just extreme hyperbole and super exhausting negativity
uneven mason
Right Jim, but the issue warriors face, is outside of our "godmode" vs magic every 25s