does war stomp DR with warrior stuns? havent played one in forever
#protection
young iris
sand egret
beards on fire > beards > all other options
neon tangle
My orc has a beard
thin mortar
I will admit I "REEEEEEEEEE!'d" every time I used charge passive while lvling highmountain
neon tangle
I wish I liked how tauren looked more in plate
chrome harbor
you want a real reeee moment, turn warmode on and dragon charge
chrome harbor
super helpful for getting around lol
unless you arent watching where youre directed at...
young iris
uh oh dont say the F word @frosty wedge
chrome harbor
stares Ion-ly
thin mortar
I was disappointed to see the highmountain charge doesn't cancel fall damage
young iris
does it require a target?
sand egret
it's ground bound and target-less, right?
runic hare
Hey guys, quick question: Does the Shimmering Haven azerite trait stack, or just increase the chance of it proccing?
stone crag
all traits stack, but the proc chance is always static to a single trait
lusty grotto
thin mortar
does not require a target
young iris
most traits double the dmg/healing but not the duration
but i havent tried that one personally
lusty grotto
it doesn't stack
runic hare
Ah okay, well cheers guys!
lusty grotto
remember guys pins are your best friend, pins love you
thin mortar
in the prison shower kind of way... its a special kind of love
lusty grotto
tough love, really tough love
runic hare
Went to try it as well while I was at it: the bonus you get from it does stack ^^
young iris
the hp or the armor or both?
runic hare
both
lusty grotto
i guess it falls into stat increase
lusty grotto
but it might be too minimal like DC's
sand egret
best way to look at what stacks vs not is to look at what changes if you have the same stat on a high ilvl armor
past ledge
Hey guys, is mythic mother tact of crossing still work ?
runic hare
tact of crossing?
neon tangle
(For mythic mothe rpeople are using big raid CDs to send the whole raid over v quickly)
to get her to 3rd room ASAP
shut summit
yes
cinder nova
It's not really cheese, though.
It's executing the mechanics as intended
Cheese was the 3rd room start death strat
And that got hotfixed pretty fast
runic hare
I guess it comes down to your definition of cheese, but fair deuce XD
signal plover
Def not cheese as the whole encounter is designed with some timing limits to prevent you from doing it as a mass cross twice
sand egret
I like to look at "cheese" being : "mitigating most if not all impact of a mechanic by utilizing a simplistic strategy" vs like exploiting which I would say is: "bypassing mechanics via an unintended interaction"
but that's me š¤
runic hare
And nothing more simplistic than sending three quarter, if not all of your team to the next chamber with the aid of cds
sand egret
that'd be cheese, yeah
(not saying it's bad per se, just how i'd classify the strategy personally)
signal plover
Fair
daring marlin
Not sure if it was covered yet
but
you can use legion legendaries in timewalking
and I'm sure you can use your set bonuses as well from legion
roflstomp that shit
carmine dust
Skip phase 1, no AoE debuff, no tank stacks. gg
grim prism
So I can get my big dick normal uldir cache?
daring marlin
It'll TF
wintry ermine
archive of the titans vs brace for impact? should I really be using brace?
daring marlin
trust
chrome harbor
yea idk that seems like a headache for a TF chance with my shit luck
unless i can get a group going for it
junior igloo
@wintry ermine
Archive for Uldir if you don't have any other Reorigination Array piece
chrome harbor
I know when we were allowed to speed run 5 in under an hour was technically bad design, but man was it easy
chrome harbor
he said he was hoping the buffs would do something so he got started on it as soon as they made that post
runic hare
Hoping the same here. I try to keep up with AP by doing some wqs and the emissaries, as well as occasional uldir runs to keep the warrior geared
runic hare
Maybe the folks at Blizz will give us the power we need to overthrow the tyranny of brms and bdks
sick sentinel
smh doesn't even do 10k dps on packs.
runic hare
Eh, I've seen my fair share of those specs
mossy cairn
So 340 shoulders with DC are worth more than 370 shoulders with no DC ?
stone crag
yes
thin mortar
I haven't seen any buffs for prot, where to see? @chrome harbor
runic hare
No buffs confirmed yet
They did state they have no clue on where to start really, but what Art said is a start
thin mortar
a mastery change.... wonder what they would do. lots of ideas to be had. NEAT!
sick sentinel
shooting yourself in the foot as a prot warr if you dont have a DC azerite armor.
junior ivy
is it likely to get AOTC in a pug right now?
thin mortar
not imo. but it is possible I suppose
stone crag
possible, sure
chrome harbor
wars have a stigma atm tho
junior ivy
even for raids?
chrome harbor
you know how ppl are
spice musk
damn i dont know which trinket i should use. Ilvl 355 Disc of Systematic Regression // Darkmoon Set Blockades 355 // Dread Gladiator's Medallion 340 // Lion's Strength 370 // Rezan's Gleaming Eye 345 // Jes' Howler 345 // Razdunk's Big Red Button 340
runic hare
Let's put it this way. Warriors are not as bad as people claim it to be; it is just that other tanks seem to be able to do their objectives with more ease
runic hare
Unless we talking aoe dmg, that's our thing for sure
junior ivy
i just want aotc
oblique garnet
Btw incase anyone is doing lfr zul 9 stacks is the maximum we can take without dying
junior ivy
how is tanking ghuun different on heroic comapred to normal?
runic hare
he hurts you a lot more
junior ivy
can i tank it at 365
stone crag
should be able to
grim prism
@thin mortar @runic hare Lore explicitly said in a bluepost that buffs are coming for prot. Whether or not they have the intended effect of course remains to be seen
But it is "confirmed" that something good is supposed to be happening
runic hare
I know, did I state otherwise? š¤
I just said they have no clue on what they would do to prot, but they are still gonna buff it ofc
grim prism
You said no buffs are confirmed, so I just wanted to clarify for the sake of the one who asked the question š¤ š¤ š¤ š¤ š¤ š¤ š¤
digital arrow
hell yes, time to kill doomcar again
odd ridge
yes, go collect your 30g
digital arrow
will do
lucid kelp
native coyote
chilly brook
Iāve been back to farming old raids for gold again
digital arrow
can u make a lot?
runic hare
Im just farming herbs
ember crest
quick question, how many dedicated healers do you guys assign on tank on initial p2 transition for Zul? I usually pick up boss while raid and monk tank clean last major add, and i feel like one holy paladin is not enough even with everything popped and a BoP to clear stacks
prisma crane
they nerfed the old raids but its still a solid source, if you wanna grind gold you pretty much have to herb farm with warmode on
@ember crest depends on raid size, but it's not bad, just use CDs to ease transition
thin mortar
@grim prism You are a gentleman and a scholar. Good show! You're always on point.
ember crest
@prisma crane so you think one holy paladin should be sufficient?
prisma crane
for how long? and what raid size?
ember crest
25
keen spire
@ember crest 1 holy paladin is definitely enough. BoP can drop the stacks off the first tank. Just make sure you tank swap with 4 or 5 stacks if you can take that many, then get your ass to the edge of the ring, cast BoP, then boom. easy peasy
ember crest
i go to about 3 stacks, then bop cleanse and move to another 3 stacks then monk takes over
prisma crane
you can also have people pre-move and just get BoP and leap to group
keen spire
use SR or SW
grim prism
Always? š
prisma crane
the starting pool isnt huge
keen spire
o.O
prisma crane
but yea, you ahve a lot of Cds
keen spire
they're all the same size
prisma crane
sry, i phrased it poorly
ember crest
mmm maybe the key is getting stacks higher then, cause i have everything blown
keen spire
^^
prisma crane
have your other tank before you get to 3 again
if they can
cuz you'll not have CDs back again
ember crest
yea hes usually fine by second wave after bop
its just that transition is very healing intensive and i didnt know if a mobile healer would be better or more healers
prisma crane
they dont really have to be mobile, esp since zul should be in middle of room anyways
ember crest
well heres a question then for moving the stack out
if i bop first stack of 3+, should i stand in drop location, then leap out to middle and start cycling like normal?
prisma crane
i leap to drop
ember crest
because leaping out at 3+, then intercepting back to middle seems kinda sketch, not to mention raid is not dps'n boss at this time
prisma crane
but if they arent on boss you can do that
but can also just have monk taunt for a second and you get back and taunt back
or just tank swap the add too
but add shouldnt take long to die and you can cleave this way as well
just make sure you leap in a direction where your pally is so you dont range teh BoP
ember crest
we have a single DK who helps us kill half the ranged, and the big add is dragged to CC'd hexxers to cleave, while i handle boss for first two bleed stack cycles with holy pala
prisma crane
we jsut CC one hexxer and move the other one towards boss
you can stun them before they cast the ichor
preferably longer single stuns, dont have anyone stun before that cast though so you dont have any stun DR
ember crest
yea thats pretty much the way we do it, we got it down last night, but was kinda rough, just wanted to confirm we had the right setup, i appreciate the insight
runic hare
Spec into 
for better mob cleaving too
dark junco
3 tank zul is actually a strat we almost did
chilly brook
I mean tbh if youāre the third tank might as well š
dark junco
But we ended up doing 2 statcks or even one
And dropping it over another ongoing pool
(Heroic leap bop)
daring marlin
@prisma crane Why herb with warmode on? lol
chilly brook
Our Paladins are retarded so we do 3 tank
dark junco
Lol
chilly brook
āYo fam where my bop at Iāve been asking for it for 10 secondsā
āYouāre out of my rangeā
dark junco
Yeah had that: Ā«Ā BoP KralĀ Ā» Ā«Ā diesĀ Ā» Ā«Ā Canāt youāre too farĀ Ā» Ā«Ā No iām deadĀ Ā»
daring marlin
P2 Zul is aids as a warrior.
chilly brook
Itās not all that bad
dark junco
YEAH 100% same @chilly brook
chilly brook
Itās aids for all tanks
chilly brook
Really if youāre not gonna bop just stay on boss until like 5 seconds left
dark junco
^
chilly brook
Easier for healers and you get more IPs
steel mauve
i was bitching out a healer for not using an external on me on 2 seperate fights one night, cursing and all, and turns out he was in group, but wasnt in that entire night and my weakaura tracker was just showing him as able to cast the cd -.-
dark junco
Love exorsus raid tool to call for externals
steel mauve
we have over a 30 man roster
dark junco
Its really good
runic hare
My ERT showed our feral still having Ironbark... or was it Barkskin?
chilly brook
Well sure thatās cool but why tf do you sit in group for 2 hours and not be able to do anything
runic hare
But yeah, its good
steel mauve
i love the look of tehrs wekaura, but im about to switch because it doesnt offer from what i can tell other things im looking for, like range settings and out of raid and stuff
fickle urchin
did atal dazar 6, in time. Join another atal dazar 6, right after. Kicked without a word. 358 ilvl. Trying to farm a better shield. Gotta love the perception that we just suck right now.
dark junco
^
steel mauve
ya idk, i was pretty irritated after that
chilly brook
Itās not like you save the group any time being in it but not in the raid
dark junco
Unless warlock and youāre swapped on hotseats
But tbh at over 20 peeps, we were rolling 2 groups that started at same time
chilly brook
I mean inviting someone takes half a second
dark junco
And it was a race for who finished first
prisma crane
@daring marlin because the ppl who tend to casually herb and farm as well as a large share of players just prefer to have warmode off, more herbs are up so you can farm faster
chilly brook
WTB Mythic alliance guild that will take a prot warrior š
runic hare
Yikes, good luck with that Griff
chilly brook
So I have an excuse to be dark iron
runic hare
Are you on NA as well? XD
chilly brook
Yea
lapis pasture
What does the dark iron racial do? Haven't looked into it
chilly brook
TBH the alliance is the dark side
old night
fireblood?
dark junco
Weāre 1/8M canāt kill Mother
chilly brook
She still bugged?
old night
any dot basically gets purged and gives you a buff of your primary stat
runic hare
Is it dark because it's under the shadow of the massive goliath that is Horde raiding @old night š¤
old night
kinda like OP stoneform
dark junco
Nah we suck
chilly brook
Ah cool
old night
@runic hare no its dark because its in blackrock mountain dingus
chilly brook
As a guild we still havenāt cleared heroic
dark junco
Same
chilly brook
Because people are dumb
dark junco
^
dark junco
Yeah shouldve done so: still donāt have aotc
old night
a lot of guilds are going the TOS route and just not finishing heroic and getting zul or myth downt hen going into mythic
its what we're doing
cloud bone
yeah my group is basically gonna spend half our raid night tonight trying heroic G'huun then the rest on mythic taloc
dark junco
Yeah were on myth, but theres too many screwups atm to kill it
old night
we're gonna be on heroic myth tonight. Not sure what to expect
dark junco
Weāre doing taloc + mother tonight on mythic. But weāre far on mother
old night
we cleared up to myth on heroic and got mythic taloc down on tuesday
dark junco
Its mainly orbs
chilly brook
Dunk the ball
dark junco
SR helps a shitton
chilly brook
Do the dance
old night
what if I don't have yeezys on Griff
chilly brook
Win
old night
how can I dunk? š¤
chilly brook
Buy some Jordanās
dark junco
Drunk > Dunk but w/e
shut summit
š
junior ivy
ty ty
old night
better than the other group you had right
old night
that placed all the blame on you
digital arrow
go catfriend!
junior ivy
both were guild groups too lol
old night
wait really? man I'd peace tf out of any group that last group asked you to be in
digital arrow
what was the last group sayin
naive coral
how r u suppose to do the second boss in tol dagor with necrotic
old night
IIRC they kept giving her shit and blamed it on the tank
despite them dying to gattling gun and bombs
digital arrow
yeah just leave, dont even say anything
be like i dont gotta take this shit PEACE
/gquit
old night
@naive coral thats the wolf guy right
digital arrow
dont deserve u
naive coral
yeh im getting 30 stacks of necrotic immediately
old night
I did it easily. It really helps if you clear the trash beforehand
so when he opens the prison doors you dont get the adds
old night
Hmmm
daring marlin
Surely you have some kind of BS/scribe in the group lol
old night
I know its a basic question but is your SB uptime consistent?
and are you padding against the dot with IP?
I feel like I never got more than 10-15 stacks on wolf guy
prisma crane
yea i'm not a fan that he can stun the tank, but at least im human, so there's that
old night
he'd cast his daggers and theyd drop off by the time I got back to him
naive coral
he spawns like 6 adds as he walks through the hallway
old night
Yeah i'd be of no use then. I had a rogue in my group last night when we did it so I didnt have to deal with them
runic hare
I dont mind getting the stun as a tank, I do mind when the dps doesn't interrupt Bobby in time though XD
old night
I do have a question to ask as well. What are you all doing to mitigate the bulk of necrotic? I haven't had issues but I wanna make sure I'm handling it well
is it just IP padding?
naive coral
using a frost mage
old night
yeah I generally do that
junior ivy
i didnt have any issues with necrotic during that motherlode 12
old night
didn't know if there was anything else
old night
necrotic isn't blockable is it? I.E. if you have SB up and they melee you will it not be applied?
or is it just auto applied regardless
runic hare
You cant block it no
stone crag
block is just damage reduction, the melees still hit
parry and dodge negate it though
runic hare
No, crit is parry for us
old night
thats right
runic hare
Mastery is block and crit block no?
rustic fractal
Thanks people this morning, around 9 / 10 am ( CEST ), I fucking killed Zul thanks to Ravager and Parrying build as a warprot
I thought there was only one talent lvl 100 : Anger Management š¤
stone crag
š¤
sick sentinel
I hope blizzard buffs us, arms is my main spec but Iāve alwaaaays love the hell outta prot warrior. Feels bad to be less wanted than basically every other tank spec š¦
broken kite
sick sentinel
@rustic fractal FeelsTerribleMan
They treat prot warrior like the treat shadow priests
noble sierra
What race do you guys like for prot warrior? I'm undead currently, thinking about mixing it up
open bluff
welp, lion's strength off world boss 
least it replaces a 320 trinket so not a total loss
crisp plinth
Anyone have the document that says what Spell relflect can reflect.
dark junco
Arent doomhowl shoulders bfi av + face?
stone crag
@crisp plinth in the pins
junior ivy
waycrest +11 , any advice before iu start?
uneven mason
no, Doomhowl doesn't drop DC shulders< I mean I got the shoulders offa him...but shoudlers is my DC slot atm
ancient reef
what would you say are the easist first mythics to start tanking
daring marlin
All of them. Also, atalādazar
steel mauve
only one world boss drops a DC piece
lusty grotto
syringe.... for m+ is super solid
random galleon
word
lusty grotto
swap to jes if you need the versa but otherwise
random galleon
thanks
lusty grotto
you got blockades yea?
lusty grotto
its a decent dps trinket
random galleon
yeah i was using the search function and i was like dang this thing owns, but then realized i wasnt just searching in #protection
lusty grotto
try the pins though
gaunt coyote
zoning out of tol dagor, get raped by the swarm of horde
lusty grotto
tasty alliance
astral steeple
quick question. I've got two Fetid Horror's Tanglecloaks. (370 and 365). The lower ilvl one has a socket. I was wondering how much a socket is worth?
Is there a general rule of thumb to how much a socket is worth?
steel mauve
only time a socket is questionable is like the big stat armors where the stat budget is higher, it probably wouldnt win
no sockets not worth 25
10 at most on like rings, and thats stretching it
chilly brook
Literally ilvl>everything
lusty grotto
oh its a cloak
lusty grotto
right disregard what i said @astral steeple
steel mauve
i would still add total stats together to see
i think on a ring you get more stats from a socket than a 5ilvl upgrade
lusty grotto
yeah
steel mauve
im pretty sure ilvl always wins on armor over a socket though, and thats possibly true for cloaks idk stat budgets for them
astral steeple
ok so ilvl over everything other than rings?
and rings only a small margin anyway
astral crystal
@hot locust you guys take omega vector as tanks on m vectis?
hot locust
astral crystal
kk
rocky imp
War sux in 10+ m+. ?
twin eagle
So how does Lore's post about traits not needing to be balanced make sense* when deafening crash is literally mandatory for us?
warped grail
a quick question, what'd be best on my chest for first ring, Laser Matrix or Bloodsport?
stone crag
i would pick laser but it also depends if you already have a reorigination array trait for uldir raiding
neon tangle
@twin eagle my pet theory is that DC is overtuned but they donāt want to proxy nerf us
chrome falcon
yeah sadbox is 100% correct
DC is probably the single strongest trait in the entire game
but can you imagine if they nerfed it
digital arrow
im about to tank zul for the first time and i'm worried about this bleed everyone's been talking about
i'll spam ip as much as i possibly can
chrome falcon
call for externals, use SW properly
it's not as scary as people make it out to be just make sure your healers are aware that you will need pocket healing
surreal stump
shitty part is when u leap out and yer healers are like omg he can do that? and u die
digital arrow
LOL
why would u die mid leap?
healer hesitating?
also for fetid, are u guys able to time one shield block for two thrashes?
surreal stump
man wtb DC pc from mythic box already sheesh
crystal night
been waiting for a good weap to enchant, got a 370 last night
surreal stump
its what i use
i have to admit. i really like the part where blizzard is like please let us know if there's a trait you think that you need more than ilvl. and all i can picture is all the prot warriors standing around the first asshole who speaks up and beating the hell outta of em with shields
hollow kite
can someone explain jes howler? do i want to stack with others or no ?
stone crag
yeah you'd want to maximize it, you gain more verse with 4 targets affected than only yourself
steel mauve
i think you gain more solo
stone crag
how so
steel mauve
because i get 600 some with 4 targets tagged + myself and get 950 when solo
its 950 split between every one and you only get like 120 per target hit at 340 ilvl, which is only 670 or so
numbers are slightly off, so solo you gear more
get*
shut summit
solo > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
steel mauve
unless you also get a secondary buff with it
shut summit
i think is what it is
stone crag
i'm reading that as well sense, thanks
friend sent me this https://puu.sh/BCabq/6b06c62b8b.png
guess my math was a tad bit off
prisma night
whats the range on other people getting the buff?
stone crag
15-20yrds i think
steel mauve
generally its probably best to split it with people for a buff to them as well, but in terms of stats you get more solo
prisma night
yeah im selfish af
manic sentinel
2nd boss on SoS during tyranical makes me want to kick myself in the nuts
cinder nova
Gonna go out on a limb and assume it's better to use IP to not cap rage between TC if my revenge is a free proc
steel mauve
correct
cinder nova
Figured.
steel mauve
capping rage hurts a lot when AM is involved
sick sentinel
^^
dark junco
Like imma look at logs but things don't add up
steel mauve
you cant really lose aggro middle of a fight on a boss
sick sentinel
except if you literally go AFK
steel mauve
ive seen dps fat finger taunt and kill themself
dark junco
I did tho
makes no sense
There
Legit no clue what happened to selorya
but she left my side and went to punch him
At 4:08
sick sentinel
the ret took aggro?
dark junco
Yeah, but without anything
And here:
it switched to the pally
who was on the other side
My co-tank
It legit makes no sense
sick sentinel
I am not that good at analyzing logs, sorry I can't help
peeps at #449510248579858432 might help did you post there?
dark junco
thanks will try
steel mauve
4 shield slams does seem low for a 44 second pull
dark junco
well she left me at 20 secs
sick sentinel
also, you have 2 rogues in the raid and 0 tricks of the trade cast on you
If I am reading this correctly
steel mauve
1 tricks on pull
stone crag
seems to be a bug, the paladin tank was in room 2 while warr tank was in room 1 with the boss
doesn't make sense for the boss just to swap over
protadin didn't cast taunt
simple answer is, it's a bug
sick sentinel
I will have to agree with^^
steel mauve
taunted an add about the time boss went to him
stone crag
https://puu.sh/BCc0e/085d36d833.png ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
stone crag
almost 2 seconds later
steel mauve
could be a bug when he taunted an add it fucked up and also did on mother, 2 second travel time?
steel mauve
viral contagion is an add when i believe the healer runs through the gate
dark junco
Even replay shows taunt and mothers run to him
steel mauve
doesnt it just rando cast?
stone crag
what
steel mauve
you really only need to tank the tank add
stone crag
yeh
stone crag
not nearly as bad as the tank add
ruby berry
indeed
dark junco
thats what we do
ruby berry
We just pray we kill em before winds š
dark junco
So I'll just guess, on spawn, that viral contagion count as mother
else I really don't understand
sick sentinel
probably just programming things
cinder nova
can you still goof the surging darkness?
or did they make it fill the entire room now?
chilly brook
Iām attempting to live my warrior class fantasy in real life
Hitting the gym and things
cinder nova
Find a local HEMA group
we got a dude here in Ordo Draconis that compressed a dude's spine in the last world tournament
it's a 5v5 slobberknocker with a bunch of lunatics in full armor and weapons
full contact
he just bopped a dude with shield
sent him to the ER
gave him the yike
digital arrow
griff do u do a battleshout on the last couple of reps of each set? š
west kayak
Shields... One is 360 Haste/Crit with socket and the other is 370 Crit/Vers. Does ilvl trump it due to the block rating?
stone crag
yes
fresh kernel
help me out guys
ive been trying as hard as i can
but i can't seem to make it work in m+
this week seems to be better for warriors because necrotic affects the meta tanks (dk and dh) much more than prot
my prot is still less tanky than my blood dk even in necrotic
any tips?
zinc mauve
uhh can you have two origination arrays active at once for double the buff?
i presume not
stone crag
no
tight tree
@fresh kernel Some tanks less tanky, some more. Warrior is not the best in m+ but not bad. Go in pop avatar, do mongo damage, stun, kite away wait for stacks to drop.
stable elm
Dh have avoidance
tiny sphinx
a shield could have +900 tickles and +1000 barbeque flavour resist on it and it would still be more beneficial to use higher ilvl for the block value
tight tree
CC critical adds, use group help for kiting if needed, usual stuff š
stable elm
It easy week for them
Dk have ams to prevent application of necrotic so it is not bad for them either
Meta tanks are meta
tight tree
Resetting necro not a problem most of the time tbh
static pilot
@dark junco the thing that happened to you with Mother is interesting, something similar happened to me today. Cotank pulls boss, I pretty much immediately run through wall, five or so seconds later she comes running through the wall after me
I definitely didn't taunt (wouldn't be able to, forcefield breaks LOS) and my cotank had about a million times more threat than me
Made for an interesting fight, that's for sure
stone crag
yeah apparently it's buggy
summer kestrel
what did they hotfix?
kind kestrel
You aren't reading hard enough
stone crag
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kind kestrel
Sorry it was on the 24th
amber siren
yeah i dont get it\
stone crag
i guess the buff to reinforced plating ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
hazy path
is lazermatrix any good dps wise to prot ?
stone crag
afaik not terrible, but there are better options
upbeat folio
What is the mythic+ keystone mod that everyone uses? It replaces the default keystone timer / deaths etc.
amber siren
Angrykeystones or gottagofast
upbeat folio
Gottagofast was it. Thanks, @amber siren
sick sentinel
Angry keystones is really nice
viscid hatch
š” keystones
fringe marten
WHere do you find/get profiles or whatever for Method Dungeon Tools addon?
neon tangle
So I have a dumb question
I keep seeing people refer to ādouble chestingā and stuff for m+
If you complete it fast enough do you get... a second chest?
Or is it just the keystone upgrade
analog pewter
Its mainly from last expansion, you used to be able to 1/2/3 chest mythic+ runs
fringe marten
How quickly you beat a timer will improve your key level 1, 2, or 3 keystone levels. The faster you beat a timer the more likely you are to get additional bonus loot from the chest as well.
'2 chesting' means beating the timer enough to get a +2 keystone upgrade.
neon tangle
I thought bonus loot was strictly based on level
fringe marten
No. It's strictly based on time.
tawny crown
Hi all, few questions about prot. Firstly, does anyone have a good weakaura that glows revenge only when rage is above a certain amount or free proc occurs? Also, Is shield block a higher priority of AM over IP? - This is if rage was minimum and one had to be chosen.
neon tangle
Check the pins, but SB > IP for physical damage
outer dew
Ip will get ripped off by a sneeze most of the time
A DR>Small Bubble most of the time
red heron
Hello, I have elvui installed. When I get a proc or something positive this appears in Green and its a bar upon my name but the negative things stay how icon. Its posible to change this and that appears in bars ? Thx a lot
ionic ridge
Go to ui-weakauras-addons
stone crag
#ui-addons-manager will definitely have more help because i don't understand the question
molten atlas
any prot warriors on high keys yet? how does it feel for you to tank etc
old zephyr
10 feels Alright but i'm not sƻre it qualify as high around here
sick sentinel
To me, it depends on group composition
I struggled a lot last week on King's Rest because my group had no CC, and I was getting hit like a truck. Plus we also had no slow
sick sentinel
My usual comp was me (Prot) / MW Monk / Balance / Havoc / BM Hunter
amber siren
That's a fair amount of CC?
sick sentinel
This time I went with resto druid / havoc / something and other something
old zephyr
There is tons of cc on6the rƩ
old zephyr
Druid (no matter the6spec) and havoc have good cc
sick sentinel
Hunter has traps (gucci), Monk's Ring of Peace, AoE stun from Havoc, and the life-saving treants from druid
old zephyr
Druid also has sunbeam (balance) and vortex+typhoon (all)
amber siren
not all druids have vortex
old zephyr
Monk has AoE stun 1q well
sick sentinel
which is nice
old zephyr
Boomies and healer do.
Other druid don't exists
amber siren
i mean that's p cringy coming from the prot warrior channel 
old zephyr
Since the begining of bfa I've legit seen 1 feral and 0 guardian.
But I saw several protwars
sick sentinel
whats a feral?
old zephyr
Cat druid
tight tree
My guildies aking me "Whats a prot" š
sick sentinel
Its an Arms warrior with a shield
fathom marten
And a arms warrior armor is a cosplay set made by his/her mother
Just watched preaches video about AZ armor and addressing that blue post
He's so fuckin right
I dont agree with him on all things he says but the things he's been complaining about with az armor and amulet. Yeah completely agree.
sick sentinel
Is it the "Azerite Armor: Good or Bad?" video?
zealous crest
Guys, 370 G'huun Shiled or 375 crit/haste shield from motherlode?
tiny sphinx
the one with moar blok valu
bright arrow
Hey guys ! Have a question about stats and dungeons ? What do u prefer to run with and why (haste seems to be less valuable because of breaks between pulls)
Atm i go with the highest ilv gear
stone crag
Yes, ilevel is always the case
the only exception is traits with Deafening Crash and maybe some trinkets but that's being generous
bright arrow
Yeah ofc I'm running 1 DC and 2 brace for impacts, with Blockades cards and a 375 Briny Barnacle
manic perch
preaches video is good interesting points...
there is a simple solution give us a proper neck piece back with primary stats on them, can azerite nonsesne give us proper shoulders head and chest and bring back our tbc talent tree's.
oh and let us reforge crap stats into good ones and write it off same list as draenor fuckup :P
just look at those nice choices
bright arrow
I miss non competitive but fun dual spec talent trees :p
manic perch
yeah so many choices
molten atlas
okay so, for Mythic+ what trinkets should i use , i have , Rezans Gleaming, Goreblock , Sporepods , and darkmoon blockades
zealous crest
Rezan+Jes's Howler are good
molten atlas
sporepods trash?
really?, it does a faair amount of healing
gore block is rezans, but its crit instead of haste
amber siren
its healing is fairly weak, the damage is poor and the proc is unreliable
it's not a good trinket
amber siren
ilvl?
molten atlas
345 +
stone crag
on both?
amber siren
rezan will typically be better unless there's a significant ilvl difference
i mean that's a lot of trinkets with no listen ilvls
listed
š¤·
tough pilot
What sec stat is better for Prot? Mastery or vers? (M+ wise)
amber siren
tough pilot
Well icyveins says haste > vers > mast ans wow head haste>mast>vers
And Simming as a tank is not optimal i thought
amber siren
you can't sim damage intake at all
the guide says vers>=mastery
Vers will reduce magic damage, mastery will help with block
but with ilvl being important it's unlikely you'll have a set all equal where you can choose to stack a stat
tough pilot
Okay thanks :)
old zephyr
For m+ mast may be slightly over vers, and6for raid, vers slightly over mast
sick sentinel
just watched allcraft, sco's comment on prot warriors:"maybe they'll fix them in 8.1, i'll start leveling my warrior sitting at 110."
stone crag
k
vocal nimbus
k
stone crag
we all know there's changes happening on PTR and what sco does shouldn't affect anyone else
old zephyr
who want's to do PUGs though?
stone crag
i think that hinges more on what's popular in raider.io and the meta groups
nothing to do with sco
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
old zephyr
I've tried the DH because it's meta, and man I don't get why it's good...
tight tree
DH is just very fun. That alone worth it imo š
obtuse venture
ive gone over to the dark side. im leveling my 110 dk
old zephyr
I don't find it that fun though
The only thing they brong WA doesn't is the Silence (which is very strong I'll admit) and the grip (which I feel is higly overrated)
but prot has shittons of CC
and about the same mobility
and take WAAAAY less damage
tight tree
Going from DH to DK, literally feels like you are cripple š
But i dont think i'd want to tank with it seriously. Very good for world content, i use it to farm animals and skin them for disenchanting greens.
If i'd want to have dedicated tank for m+, i'd level DK.
Maybe i will, but not much time. Still have to finish leveling ork for that Mag'har transmog.
old zephyr
I shall not go as low as to roll DK
stone crag
low š¤
vocal nimbus
š¤·
ember arrow
Talking bad about other tanks seems to be the skyhold way.
stone crag
seems to be the usual ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
old zephyr
we can't talk good about prot can we/s
tawny crown
but prots in a really good place right now
dark lark
????
stone crag
old zephyr
I love my prot š
tawny crown
point is
good or not, prot is die hard tank spec from way back
blizz will fix us 8.1
no doubt
stay hard team
old zephyr
we are not broken though
depending on how they "fix" us, we might become either OP or completely Trash
tawny crown
Personally I dont mind where were at. It's clunkier and a hell of a lot harder than it was in legion.
But still adaptable to high end gameplay
stone crag
that's not how it works 4x
past ledge
is Archive of the titans worth taking over BFI ?
tawny crown
After reading Lore's comment I keep hoping every week for some sort of hotfix though
ember arrow
Honestly if they put ip off gcd i might start playing it again
compact mirage
Has there been any talk on rage gen when you have to kite in high M+?
compact mirage
We get zero rage from kiting.
Rage from Damage Taken (often referred to as RFDT) has been removed. In its place, Rage is gained when the player gets meleed, and Rage is gained when the player melees.
ember arrow
we dont need it during kiting
past ledge
at how many stacks u guys start to kite?
stone crag
just about every other tank has the same issue from kiting
compact mirage
Since when do energy reg tanks have the same problem as rage tanks?
ember arrow
Ip and sb arent needed. You can keep casting TC for lil bit if rage
stone crag
as in just monk?
ember arrow
Ye im not sire what you mean
stone crag
Monk - Energy
Druid - Rage
DK - Runic Power
DH - Pain (rage)
Warrior - Rage
Paladin - Nothing
2 of those 6 aren't affected as much from kiting
stone crag
right
ember arrow
It decays out of combat
old zephyr
and you don't need to be in melee to spend them
ember arrow
Doest decay in combat
dark lark
is there a video on how to deal with necrotic properly? not just on trash mobs but with bosses? having a tough time going from 6 to 7s
old zephyr
you can get some rage outsie of melee yes, but most of it you don't get
ember arrow
U dont spend runes out of melee unless u use dnd or deaths caress
Which is 10 rp per 15 sec
Vs 5 rage per 6
old zephyr
yeah but your ranged efficiency is much better
warrior has 0 things to do at range (aside heroic trhow YAY)
old zephyr
paladin can throw shield, move eneies trhough consec.
DK has DnD, and can apply desease, bood drain
DH has sigile
ember arrow
Bdk disease is 25 sec long
Paladin can do stuff from range
Not dk
Disease is applied by an 8yard aoe
old zephyr
well Disease is already much better than ou deep wounds.
we have to hit revenge for that Uh...
ember arrow
It does like
old zephyr
don't you have single target spell that apply it? there was one in legion
ember arrow
2k dmg
ember arrow
We have but its never worth using
rustic fractal
Does anyone have a good Necrotic tracker for WA ?
rustic fractal
I did, and the one I found doesn't load :S
ember arrow
I use the top onr
rustic fractal
That's why I'm asking here
ember arrow
Oh. Strange
rustic fractal
Ty, gonna check that
compact mirage
Btw we did Sethralis on +7 with a BDK and the Storm pylon boss was utterly brutal because of the Necrotic stacks. We needed to get creative to help the tank reset stacks.
old zephyr
And how did you do ?
compact mirage
I for myself as arms did taunt and use 100% parry ability.
Necrotic is melee swing only.
old zephyr
Fair enough
compact mirage
But that being said we needed 33k hps and near perfect movement to get it down.
According to https://raider.io/mythic-plus/realms/eu/current it is the worst dungeon this week
fickle urchin
they app necrotic?
old zephyr
They do Yeah
fickle urchin
odd
old zephyr
Everything apply necro
fickle urchin
i wouldnt mind some consistency with what does and doesnt work with the weekly mods
like boss adds dont always do it
compact mirage
Any enemy melee attack applies it
old zephyr
Boss adds are considered boss
Therefore they benefit from tyranicals, but not normal mobs affixe
Boss apply necrotic, so boss adds Ć well
fickle urchin
sarcasm
old zephyr
I'll never say how much I like boomies enough
fickle urchin
i love them too as tank
but ... i mean,..,
there are some pretty clear tiers in whos in and whos not, you know?
this expansion
especially as dps
well, as everything
old zephyr
I'm fine with most healer aside from cham
fickle urchin
aoe snare, aoe knockback, aoe silence
meanwhile, warrior dps brings... good cleave.
severe pewter
Anyone know if Shatter on Zekvoz requires SB specifically to block (meaning active mitigation check like Fetid) or if its blockable by Bolster?
vocal nimbus
anything blockable by sb is blockable by bolster
vocal nimbus
bolster is the same as SB minus the bonus damage to shield slam
old zephyr
For dps as long as I have a boomy and noone is retarded It's fine
severe pewter
Allright, thanks!
vocal nimbus
@old zephyr not all boss adds get tyrannical bonuses
Im pretty sure avatar of sethraliss waves arent tyrannical
old zephyr
Avatar might be the exception but It's already an exception in design
Avatar and jess
vocal nimbus
Siege of boralus first boss too
old zephyr
I'm pretty sure those are tyranical
vocal nimbus
It felt like they werent tyr but its just my feeling š¤·
old zephyr
The one boss that makes me laugh Ć lot in tyranical is AD priest.
Most of the Damage is% based
old zephyr
Volk might be Ć pain this week though
Either you let him cast to remove stacks and everyone dies or you keep stacks and you die
old zephyr
yeah but, you're not gonna be able to lose necro stacks
old zephyr
Oh, it's not that bad
mellow bridge
Necro really dont stack very fast at bosses without adds
It's negligible for most of em imho
vocal nimbus
volk? š¤
mellow bridge
totemguy in atal dazar
signal plover
He leaps away...should be time in there to clear stacks. Other ppl have interrupts .
Could be trouble with no ranged interrupt in totem phase I guess
old zephyr
as I always say (and I never claim my love for boomkins enough) : bring a boomy, it will solve all your issues
I haven't seen (yet) ANY dungeon situation where an boomie can not solev the problem you currently have
unless it's plain gear check
carmine dust
@vocal nimbus Maybe Tyrannical increases the health of the avatar doe? That'd be interesting, haven't paid attention to that myself. :V
jagged bay
would you guys wear a 390 briny barnacle when you have blockades + jes on 365?
old zephyr
if you want damage, probably, if not, no
jagged bay
it didnt deal alot in waycrest only a couple of % tho
i wasnt sure cause of the extra strength but thx
old zephyr
defensively it's not better than blocades.
the question would be jes' but it's quite a bit of vers
strong forum
Eh, the strength is nice, but the effect is lack luster. Its only decent if you don't need survivability at all
frank wagon
pick one
frosty wedge
man I can't wait for 8.1 I'm so sick of farming champions rep on 4 characters
haste proc feels like a mini lust
old zephyr
my war is revered already.
my other prob won't go past hnored lol
frosty wedge
rezan's always
yeah my warr has been revered for weeks
my monk is almost revered, my druid and DK prolly won't get past honored
old zephyr
when rezan and weapon enchant both proc i'm always like "Did someone just Lust that thing, oh no i'm just awesome"
frosty wedge
^
old zephyr
bonus point when it happen during avatar
old zephyr
spoiler : it most of the time does
back in the day I had the engineedring google proc that haste buff as well, it was GREAT
tawdry python
silly question but for leveling alts, am i missing something or do you really need to grind to revered with champions every time for the HoA ilvls?
old zephyr
you do
it will be changed on 8.1 though and reputation will be shared for accout
frosty wedge
8.1 can't come soon enough
tawdry python
agreed. thanks!
frosty wedge
anyone know if we get another free 370 when the warfront opens back up again?
I'm getting real sick of my 340 azerite pieces
old zephyr
I have no idea.
we'll see in a few weeks
frosty wedge
naw warfront will be open in a coucple days
couple*
it was at like 30% last night
old zephyr
EU Ally just had it closed š
frosty wedge
ah yeah I'm horde :p
dark junco
Hoping doomhowl is still open on reset tuesday so I can use a bonus roll for shoulders
old zephyr
It'll be alright buddy š
dark junco
Alliance US
frosty wedge
nope, you only get one shot at the boss, it doesn't reset Tuesday if you already killed it this cycle
old zephyr
You can bonus roll it everytime though (but i'm not 100% sure of that)
amber siren
I'm not sure about every time but you can definitely kill it again for a bonus roll chance
old zephyr
well as long as you have bonus roll availlable, you can rekill (no reguar chance of loot though) and bonus roll
dark junco
You can bonus roll only once
grave grove
you can only bonus roll world bosses once
dark junco
I used mines on mythic already, so Iāll have to wait on tuesday to grab more tolens
grave grove
others are fair game
dark junco
Tokens*
old zephyr
Oh, didn't knew taht
grave grove
in uldir you can bonus roll as many times as you can fight the boss
but world bosses only 1
grave grove
he protec, he attac, but most importantly, if there's a question, he answer bac
misty owl
still best to socket haste as prot?. my pawn says versatility any ide why?
misty owl
ty forgot that
dark junco
@grave grove Yo that meme was ššÆ
grave grove
old zephyr
where does that meme come from?
old zephyr
any link to that?
grave grove
not linking to 4chan here
signal plover
On mythic zekky
grave grove
there's probably a page on knowyourmeme or something
chilly brook
Playing games today is gonna be a struggle
signal plover
Cuz of the disease?
chilly brook
No cuz trying to get swole hurts
chilly brook
Lol
signal plover
Get da gains bruh
signal plover
Helps with SB uptime
chilly brook
Truth
strong forum
Ah, he's a pick up put downer.
foggy cliff
Is prot really that bad as they say?
I aim to pug mythic+ (up to 10) and normal raid mostly.
blissful imp
You'll be fine
signal plover
Just gotta know fights and play the spec well
frosty wedge
yeah just play the spec well and hopefully get your own keys/start your own groups
blissful imp
Don't expect to jump strait into Mythic+10 though
frosty wedge
oh yeah, you're going to need gear to do that, lol
signal plover
And if you're pugging expect ppl to QQ
blissful imp
You'll need to build up your raider.io and make friends
But lot of fights in Uldir are very Warrior friendly
signal plover
Especially once u know the damage patterns and how to mitigate each one
uneven mason
Yeah I'd say TBH the only one that is absolutely crushing to us so far is Zul
Because trying to roll IP enough to mitigate it every tick is near impossible
past ledge
guys i have two pieces of azerite with Archive of the titans, should use them or not? is it better than Callous Reprisal and brace for impact?
uneven mason
Its punishing on all tanks, but more or less the others allow for a greater reaction window for healers.
not BFI
So my luck with trinkets changed
it went from bad to insulting
Was using a 365 brb
Got this hotness lastnight.
Yay a stat stick
I mean, its got more str than the big red
dusk locust
wait... so if you're gonna die, it "saves" you by absorbing 2% damage?
something's not quite right
past ledge
thats wrong
random galleon
numbers are wrong
past ledge
my trinket says 40%
red heron
do you use pawn for alone or combinated with any other addon?
past ledge
and 50% absorb
dusk locust
we don't use pawn for prot war