they'll learn real quick to MD or pay attention to the right target
#protection
open bluff
sick sentinel
they not pulling aggro, but they had ability how make life easier for party and they do not use
sudden tapir
😂
open bluff
as for the tank shortage, reddit and the forums use that as a catchall term for "pug shortage"
sudden tapir
Like they refuse to even when asked?
open bluff
there's absolutely not a tank shortage, there's a shortage of tanks willing to tank for pugs
chrome harbor
^
sick sentinel
^^
sudden tapir
Yes. Absolutely that. It’s because it’s painfully mediocre at best
chrome harbor
the tank shortage meme is mostly for queued content which is some people's main game
sudden tapir
I get DPS that want to tank all the time.
sick sentinel
no i don't ask , i hope they do that with their own good heart, i am probably too kind
open bluff
but they see "not enough tanks" and instantly assume nobody's tanking because guilds don't exist to them
sick sentinel
Also @sick sentinel ask him to make a cast on focus macro
iron forum
I would say that there is a shortage of tanks for m+, if nothing else because many druid and prot warriors like me are taking a break form tanking until we're not shit at it
sudden tapir
Jon, just level with him or her
“Help me out and throw a MD out at the start”
sudden tapir
Don’t leave room for discussion haha
sick sentinel
/cast [@focus]
i mean don't they have that macrop for their pet, it surprise me
i have to educate, ys
iron forum
so 2 of the tanks specs are extremely underrepresented because people just don't want to play them. plus tanking m+ is by far the most actively involved role, youre the driver when youre tanking a m+ and you cant ever afford to lose focus whereas if youre the dps or healer youre just along for the ride and your only job is not to throw up on the nice upholstery and interrupt
sick sentinel
When I actually do pugs (very very rarely because it's mine or a guildie's key so I form the groups) I go dps because they have a tank most of the time
actually doing pug is a good thing
iron forum
ive just started dpsing all my m+, gave up tanking htem for now. I could play an all star dps spec for m+ or a trash tier tank spec. choice is easy if I want ot push keys
sick sentinel
myb not always )
Also, I have added some good people on btag so I find peeps
I have done my 2 +10s with the same healer that I found doing a +11
hey Bobby what is the second underrepresented tanking spe?
Guardian druids
true hazel
How is prot after the "buff"
iron forum
although I think that has just as much to do with the spec being mind numbingly boring as it does with their performance
elfin apex
WHAT BUFF
sick sentinel
and me i wish blizzard make some real pegassus mount in wow
true hazel
So... still the same?
sick sentinel
We did not get buffed by any stretch of the imagination
iron forum
buffs still aren't announced yet, we can only speculate what they will be
sick sentinel
A shit trait that nobody used is now 10% better
iron forum
although something to do with our mastery is a good guess because it looks like it was messed with on the pbe
true hazel
I didnt want to kick a dead horse :( i just wanted to see if it was better. Thanks guys
iron forum
@true hazel once they announce what the bufs will actually be then we'll see. because they are coming
true hazel
I hope they do. I went fury until things are different. I miss tanking
sick sentinel
arms is better imo
iron forum
they are 100% without any doubt coming, confirmed by blizz
sick sentinel
too many buttons with fury )
i mean too spamy
for me
well good night guys
Arms is too boring
I love the fact that fury is 100% of the time GCD capped
pallid axle
they just need to make our mastery armor related or IP armor related ^^ cause EVERY tank bu warrior got Armor Mitigation^^ which can mitigate Bleeds or other physical Debuffs^^ Warrior is Block only^^
lucid kelp
I know it says that the Shield slam block trait is better than Reorigination until we have 500 haste from the uldir trait. But how does 300 haste compare to Iron Fortress?
cause I dont have the helm...but I got shoulders Xd
sick sentinel
I would take archive over any non-DC trait in uldir any day
Just make sure you swap back in m+
lucid kelp
definitely
junior ivy
zul heroic is so scaryyy
lucid kelp
a bit
warped grail
Does any1 here have any tips for a ''newbie'' prot warrior trying it out for the first time? I know the game inside out, but I havent tanked since Cataclysm, and I wanna get this alt. started with Tanking
sick sentinel
We were wiping on that fucker on Sunday and we oneshot him today somehow
@warped grail try to have active mitigation at all times, don't stack your CDs
lucid kelp
Pkprell FirsT rule of Prot warrior. NEVER pop Shield block during Last Stand
sick sentinel
You can shield block x3 , last stand and then block x3 again
That's 51 sec of active block
outer dew
just don't die
ez
do damage and don't die, that's the tanking life
oh, and don't stand on bad :^)
stone crag
get the enemies health to zero before they get your health to zero
sick sentinel
Dump excess range into IP when SB is up/on CD
iron forum
im pretty sure juts using devastate to resets does more dmg st than dumping rage into revenge though which is just kind of sad
because logic
amber siren
baiting ss procs if you have rage to dump and overcapping is just bad play
don't do that
iron forum
we were just joking about parses, no one was encouraging overcapping rage or god forbid hard casting revenge
amber siren
revenge does more damage and triggers AM for demo shout for higher damage increase so 🤷
stone crag
Non-proc revenge* triggers am
amber siren
In response to "does more dmg st than dumping rage"*
amber siren
Grats my dude
waxen cradle
One thing I am actually curious about is will we begin PTR testing before the put in the buff/buffs they have talked about for Prot
modern brook
have they talked about prot changes past "we're wokring on stuff"?
stone crag
nope
waxen cradle
well they said that in the next few weeks to expect buffs to fix some of our grievances but it seems as though the PTR may not be far from a first test build for 8.1 so it just makes me wonder what will come first
The buffs being presented or them going ahead and beginning the PTR testing cycle for 8.1
modern brook
IDK
I'd guess the buff roll outs are apart of 8.1
the buffs are a real breath holder for me
a lot of the complaints that got the most voicing to them are things that arent problems
and im worried they'll address those and subtract from other areas
waxen cradle
Yeah which in a way concerns me as well because it feels as though as you said buffs in one area could come at the cost of nerfs in another such as our damage
waxen cradle
I feel that is where we will pay for buffs
modern brook
Some health / rage spent is the first thing I'd add before anything else i think
like I dont want longer SB uptime
its long enough
IDG why people constantly say it needs to be higher
waxen cradle
Honestly to affect our damage though all they have to do is make the next set of Azerite traits good enough to where we do not take DC over item level which that would also affect survivability as well but only if the buffs do not cover that loss of DS extension.
However I do feel they will try and phase out us wanting DC over next set of traits for raid
Again all we have is speculation, but if playing this game for as long as I have has taught me anything buffs for tank classes usually come at the cost of something else
lucid kelp
gettting slaughtered on Mythic Zek'voz....getting better tho...learning to manage my shield block
min maxing stuff like not popping it if 2 seconds are gunna be wasted by his cast time of Surging Darkness
static pilot
looks like deafening clash may have dodged the nerfbat for now
Lore: And finally, regarding the tuning passes: like I mentioned, we think we've got most of the major outliers dialed in to an acceptable level at this point. There's likely to still be some adjustments here and there, but we don't believe we're going to need another big wave of Azerite trait tuning like you've seen over the last few weeks. To put it another way: if one trait is far and away the best compared to every other option, sure, we should probably do something about that, but we don't expect that to take the form of a widespread tuning pass going forward.
https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1102039-azerite-worst-itemization-in-wows-history/
open bluff
blizzard probably knows DC is pretty important defensively for prot
junior ivy
killed zul heroic. without extra help from the good raid team in my guild
open bluff
doubt they're going to hit it with the nerfbat until 8.1 at the earliest
green sky
they'll nerf it with the 8.1 "buffs"
brittle timber
, or you lean towards traits that work in a variety of roles (even if they're maybe not the absolute best for each in particular)
I know lore has played the game before...i've seen it
static pilot
it's certainly engaging to farm a raid/mythic+/PVP set for each of my 1-4 roles
brittle timber
It's odd how they seem to forget player behavior won't change no matter how much they try to hamstring us 'for our own good'
crystal night
which shield boys? https://gyazo.com/dbc91f86c8d13e49b735cf781216763f
brittle timber
ilvl
stuck oxide
Mythic Vectis is so eazy!
brittle timber
not even gonna look
stuck oxide
just downed it
brittle timber
yea
crystal night
ty brother
brittle timber
yea...shields are ilvl>everything else
outer dew
I feel like ilvl is King for tanks and heals most of the time
cinder nova
Is azerite gear tradeable at any ilvl?
Because I can trade a 370 helm
and it's the first 370 helm I've gotten
iron forum
I believe it still follows the same rules as normal gear, so youd need to have a 370 helm already to trade it
junior ivy
MYTHRAX HEROIC DEAD
cinder nova
then how the fuck can I trade this hat
warm socket
gentle gyro
So I’m a bit lost with warrior right now, what troubles does it have right now exactly?
junior ivy
bad reputation
gentle gyro
Ouch.
iron forum
yeah, its a pretty sad life currently for prot
gentle gyro
Is there any reason for this bad of a reputation?
stone crag
it's more punishing than any other tank so bad players shine much brighter
iron forum
small hp pool, no self healing, lack of utility, terrible kiting potential, difficult to play with a low payoff. take your pick
its hard to pinpoint EXACTLY what makes us so bad right now, but there are a lot of reasons
amber siren
I mean two of those aren't true
iron forum
and which two do you think aren't true
amber siren
Utility and no kiting potential? I mean, do we need to have this discussion every day?
cinder nova
Leap
double charge
ez clap
Shout
If your raid doesn't coordinate for shout they're literal baboons
oblique garnet
Fear, 2 stuns or one depending which you go
iron forum
kiting potential is just fact, prot and bears are the only tank specs without any slow so you need to rely on your group for that unless youre counting dragon roar which you shouldn't be taking, intercept is also reliant on your group which is a problem for pugs. And obviously we don't have NO utility, but when you compare it to other tanks we fall far short
iron forum
20% is not enough of a slow to kite effectively off of
amber siren
rally, battle, safeguard, shockwave, storm bolt, aoe fear, 3 high mobility baseline abilities?
cinder nova
Yeah it is
amber siren
the party isn't just one warrior
stable elm
And war have insane dps so he can allow himself do not actively dps all the time
oblique garnet
You leap away as far as you can and since most of the pug dps dont really move when they dps you can just intercept to them when the adds get closer to you
weak zephyr
dead ass reading this channel and playing my prot warrior makes me wanna' reroll to a dk.
iron forum
okay, youre all right prot is amazing and overpowered we're just keeping it on the down low which is why no one plays it in high m+ or raids
cinder nova
Nobody said we're OP, we're just saying you may be playing wrong since your perception is patently wrong.
oblique garnet
Define high keys? Ive been doing +9 and 10+ since they came
stone crag
🍿
oblique garnet
Well true probably not +15 but doing anything higher than 10 only increases the ap reward right?
stone crag
yes
stable elm
And self esteem
cinder nova
I'll point it out since nobody else has.
chrome wyvern
Is there a pawn string for stat weights?
weak zephyr
no
cinder nova
We all know how it operates and your perception of it may be a bit skewed. You functionally have two options here, @iron forum
1.) You ask us what you think you could work on, we look over your logs, answer your questions, help you improve.
2.) Continue to gripe about it and begin to resent the class to the point you quit.
weak zephyr
they're irrelevant for us.
primal crypt
Just need a better shield
oblique garnet
I just need one helm but the rngesus failed me already
cinder nova
@primal crypt Don't talk to me about shields.
All the shield classes in my raid got a 370 so far
and I'm over here ready to neck myself from my 350
primal crypt
soz
cinder nova
absolute cocksucker
oblique garnet
I was rocking 310 till last week
cinder nova
[angry noises intinsifies]
oblique garnet
Theres something positive about people complaining about prot warrior though if they keep it up long enough it will eventually get a buff
primal crypt
@oblique garnet already inc
they noticed finally
the blue posts
wont be until 8.1 tho
weak zephyr
fuck
oblique garnet
Oh shit really?
stone crag
yes
winter skiff
anyone have exp with elvui
cinder nova
watch them nerf our booty clap vader bomb cleave
and give a 5% buff to venge
singular yike
winter skiff
im trying to move my party frames
stable elm
Blizzard trust numbers more then players complain. So it must be constructive
winter skiff
but have no idea
oblique garnet
Toggle anchors and move them?
winter skiff
what umean
stone crag
in the elvui settings, top of the window there's a button to toggle anchors
there you can move just about everything
tiny sphinx
or just use zperl since it's elvui+more
oblique garnet
Been using elvui far too long to change
molten radish
how many stacks do I take per taunt on zuul phase 2?
tiny sphinx
has there been another blue post in the last day or 2 about changes?
tiny sphinx
im so sorry
oblique garnet
2 or 3 really?🤔 on what difficulty
oblique garnet
Maybe thats why zul has been pain in the ass for our guild
cinder nova
264 armor at 35%
I'd rather not, thanks
Bet there's other trinkets worth using tho
oblique garnet
Blockades seems to be good but whats the 2nd best?
primal crypt
Like the Heart of Solace
that would be really nice right about now
TF
Or the magnetite mirror???
oh boy
stone crag
jes howler
molten radish
any tips on zul heroic? hes slapping me
digital arrow
that is how i do it... 😦
primal crypt
Best best is to keep ip up
Stay in ranged until you have to drop the blood
Call for and external
Drop your poop and leap back in range
While keeping IP up
And curse bleeds
digital arrow
ignore all pain
strong hill
350 rezens or a 375 veiled eye?
molten radish
we are just gonna 3 tank XD
strong hill
no thats the one off mythrax
amber siren
No it's the absorb from mythrax
tiny sphinx
remember: ignoring pain is mostly mental, so stack int- the answer was staring us in the face all this time
amber siren
old night
how do you guys manage your necrotic
I did okay in a 9 tol
just looking for outside tips
can't tell if SR does anything
outer dew
Ahhh, I just saw a tank get thrashed for 195k -> 35k Earthquake
And asked why I said tank needs to swap or external for heroic fetid
And group comp matters this week
Having a MW+Frost mage this week will make your runs smoother
You can properly kite with that group
static pilot
ring of peace is a fantastic "time-out" for necrotic
outer dew
If you're feeling spicy. Ele shaman fills same roll as frost
static pilot
but look out for the odd add that just flat out ignores it
matrons in Underrot dont care if I recall correctly
outer dew
Ideally you should only path to the single Mateo
And the pat on bridge
So necrotic shouldn't be a huge issue
static pilot
agreed, but it's still worth knowing about - if you do the patrol with the single matron, jump out at 20 stacks and catch your breath behind the ROP it's good to know that you should keep running coz mama's coming and there aint no ring that's gonna slow her down ^^
oblique garnet
Hows manor this week on +10 didnt get around to it yesterday?
outer dew
Depends on comp
If you got a mw/frost mage
Resets are easy
I don't mind the bosses too much
zinc mauve
pardon my ignorance, but what is MW?
outer dew
As long as everyone is kick bitch on sisters
zinc mauve
oh mistweaver
static pilot
no worries, everybody has to learn 😃
oblique garnet
Ye ofc but if those worms infest you do they reset the necrotic buff like add the duration or no?
outer dew
Hmm. Don't remember
oblique garnet
Didnt do any manors the last time they had necrotic nobody in our guild got a big manor key
But yeah the sisters might be only ”hard” boss on tyrannical
outer dew
Last one is a bitch if no one target swaps + does mechanics
upbeat folio
The trash is worse than the bosses @ 10.
outer dew
I think temple is very managable this week with coms
upbeat folio
Even with tyrannical.
outer dew
Shrine is no me gusta
oblique garnet
Temple is a cakewalk
tight tree
witches need good healer mostly
oblique garnet
Unless they changed somethings on the avatar on temple its just pretty much faceroll even on the higher keys
upbeat folio
Hardest part of temple right now is trash before last boss if you don't have a friendly comp.
even then, you can make your way through it.
outer dew
I mean, if you don't have a coordinated group for first boss splitting and trash pre last boss
Temple is no fun
Temple pugs make or break on first boss of temple
Because if ya wipe on the first boss...
Oh boi are you not gonna like the rest of the dungeon
upbeat folio
I guess, really, the bottom line is that it's unfriendly to uncoordinated/pugs.
tight tree
1st boss is fucked up design-wise. Never ecer will i consider good desingn, when boss actually forbids usage of most of your abilities.
Iw you are warrior, you tank him with shield slam+devastate only, otherwise you destroy yourself.
Inb4 mongo demonhunter self-deleting with eye beam
upbeat folio
lol
tight tree
Also i cant type, sowwy
tight tree
Yeah ofc. Just annoying, they should just make only direct damage to be reflected, not cleave/AOE. That will still encourage target swap but will not restrict player's rotations.
It feels horrible when you cant use your stuff.
neon tangle
@old night I’ve not had any issues with myself this week, necrotic seems pretty tame
I’ve got way more parry than I want, but I’ve had a couple packs where necrotic fell off just from a lucky chain of parries
So that’s fun
lucid kelp
is it worth considering TW rings for the strength or does that not matter?
neon tangle
Only timer I missed so far was a +5 motherlode, and that was due to some really, really dumb dps
tight tree
Got pants from weekly box. And pants from PvP box. I already had good pants. Why i even bother doing +10s. No upgrades for 3 week. I will just log for raids and arena really, system is so fucked up/
stone crag
¯_(ツ)_/¯
neon tangle
@tight tree I can’t hear you over the sound of my 345 Shield
outer dew
Reasons why I have an alt
tight tree
I had to buy 350 boE
outer dew
I pray for monkey forging, arena chest, m+ chest, and raid
tight tree
Whatever, i am doing raids on monk now, but same shit there. Got 380 boots. I already had good boots.
Meanwhile, shitty rings and shoulders. We need to have 3 items in the chest, choose 1.
tight tree
Our DK tank was farming sword from KR for month now. It never dropped. last time we ran my +9 key, dropped for me. Can't trade. Then i ran Waycrest on monk alt. 365 Blightreaper drops, 1st run. I have good luck on alts and offspecs, meanwhile, no shield or 1-hander.
Well at least i can reck stuff in pvP as Arms.
fringe marten
The 7th Legion xmog with the lionshead on the shoulders, is the 'quest' the warfront/s?
near shard
Just wanted to dps for a bit, joined +5 sots.20 deaths on second boss. Warr tank with 3 arms traits and stuff like that "fkn prot warr suxks cant do sht and i die" ugggghhh
bitter venture
resounding or impassive for 3rd tier?
rustic fractal
I saw Wartanks parrying implies no necrotic, same shit for block ?
I had no idea of this feature tbh. I am a professional wartank runner in m+
amber siren
no, parry stops an attack, block reduces a %
upbeat folio
I wouldn't go too crazy.
stone crag
🤦
tight tree
This is the week for warrior buffs. or not 🤔 💩
tight tree
BRILLIANT! 
upbeat folio
was also real gud for necrotic
fickle kiln
Whats your haste at? I feel like mine is getting pretty high
fickle kiln
Yeah im at 16% unbuffed. Pretty much all my gear has haste+mastery/vers. Was wondering if I should move towards vers+mastery
I feel like ny ip are weak. Like 28k unbuffed
rustic fractal
Ip is shit
fickle kiln
It is
rustic fractal
So np. Not gear issues. The ip is bad and scales badly
rustic fractal
19 for me
junior igloo
There is very little difference between secondaries.
If you have gear of equal item level, you can choose based on encounter (haste and mastery on tank swap fights, versa on fights with magic/bleed, crit on AoE physical fights)
rustic fractal
Yeh. Hope they will do something about it
fickle kiln
But i just felt like a was getting rekt on heroic ghuun before the 2nd soawns. I kept dying just before the phase 3 switch
rustic fractal
Dude @fickle kiln I kept dying when Zul went p2
fickle kiln
Yeah that too
tight tree
We just fall apart on that Ghuun p2. Too much damage from spores flying around.
fickle kiln
But i mean i watch nurfed's tank run 13+ mythic plus and mythic raid just fine
Druid offtank
Nothing op or broken
tight tree
Sense just very good.
And his guild supports him
He and his team willing to play around warrior's weakness. Most of the people in other guilds do not.
I was getting meme-ed in guild discord because of warr 😉 (warr is bad but you have to ignore that pain. oops, it was on GCD nwm). All in good spirit but slightly tilting 😉
fickle kiln
Yeah my gm is playing a warlock and he used to tank on his warrior with me. He said hes gonna send his imp next to me so i get one more stack of haste for ghuun
In one of the wipe attempts on ghuun, i died at like 6 stacks and the dh offtanks survived alone for ages dying at like 18 stacks..
Im like you cant keep me at 6 stacks and youre telling me you can heal through 18 stacks..
junior igloo
Are you telling me that pet classes can control their pet?
My experience tells me otherwise
next lagoon
just a little question : askmrRobot, Pawn w/ simc they aren't quite fonctionnal for a prot tank right? as they don't stack haste. Should i still follow them ( at the moment askmrrobot tell me to get rid of about all my haste to get down th 6% ) or should i juste ignore and stack haste?
stone crag
there's much more wrong to both of those than they just don't stack haste
tight tree
No. AMR is bad. Nothing supports prot warrior now.
stone crag
and no, don't even consider AMR as a guideline
tight tree
Haste is very good for you.
next lagoon
i noticed it wanted me to get rid of DC
junior igloo
Pawn "works" just fine if you know how much you value individual stats.
You can set haste as highest and it will prioritize it if that's what you prefer
elfin apex
So my mythic progression guild said they are going to trial me as prot warrior because I want to swap to tank from dps. Am I insane for trying?
willow dirge
There's only one way to find out tbh
next lagoon
haha
junior igloo
Twice the weapons = twice the damage
elfin apex
Fury will pull ahead soon, once everyone has more stats
I'd stay with arms for now
Anywhere that has done any maths on racials for prot? I'm tauren atm and the aoe stun is nice. Highmountain do have vers and damage reduction though
merry cave
If you care about dps play what looks cool.
If you want utility for m+ play belf
merry cave
Belf still wins at utility if you do keys imo
tight tree
Go orc or go home 😉
It is too early to say Arms or Fury, they will still be adjusting traits soon and rebalance classes.
prisma night
Im swapping to zandalari prot war asap. They could have shit racials that actually hinder me and id still do it
Fury feels quicker and more fun to me
Cant stand arms
near shard
Untill what + you guys think is pretty "easy" this week? Did underrot 7 and it was quite difficult
rustic fractal
It mainly depends the dungeon. I read e.g sephralis was hard af but some others were ez
old zephyr
Tol dagor is gonna be a pain from 7
But it Will mostly dépend on your group
good DPS solve every issue
fickle kiln
Did motherlode 8 and it was easy, 2 chested it.
old zephyr
half of motherlode bosses don't even use attacks lol
worst bosses this week might be volkaal, sand queen (krogus maybe), galvaatz, golden snake but asid efrom that it should be fairly easy
underrot may be a pain as well
depending on how last boss scale with tyranical
hybrid sundial
Anyone got the haste breakpoints for shieldblock?
old zephyr
I think it's something like 130%
junior igloo
You guys just pulling numbers out of thin air? 😄
ember arrow
@junior igloo no
topaz cove
does that mean how much haste you need for constant SB uptime?
ember arrow
Some time ago there was a discussion and pty sure marok wit others reached conclusion it was in the 160s
Like 2 months ago
junior igloo
What was being taken into account?
Because for just Shield Block 100 % up-time, you need 200 % haste
fickle kiln
Avatar and dc probably reduced that
old zephyr
avatar ad DC don't change SB uptime
In legion thanks to T212P 100% uptime was reachable with heavy repercussion, but it's not anymore
now you have a "soft breakpoint" at 50% hawte where you can chain 3 in a row without downtime but with bosses swing time it's not very relevant
fickle kiln
Youre right, i mixed up with demo shout
old zephyr
focus Haste use ITF and you'll be good anyway
red heron
wich is the order of preference that I should look for importance of attributes?
red heron
ok
old zephyr
for weapon enchantment : armor or haste
red heron
allright
junior igloo
secondary stats are better than armor for weapon
old zephyr
yes
junior igloo
Versatility, haste or mastery, depending on your choice, they are about equal, depending on the situation
Crit is typically slightly behind, but still very close.
Armor is not as good as secondaries
old zephyr
primary are STR/Stam.
secondaries are haste/crit/mast/vers
Tertiary are leach/speed/avoid
red heron
understand
old zephyr
my go to is haste, because you get defensive value out of it no matter th situation
vers/mast you mostly gain defensive value when beeing hit
haste lets you pool rage and get your CDs back even if you are not taking any hits
tight tree
We need 2 shields for 100 SB uptime
junior igloo
You pool faster with more haste, so the maximum time you can pool is shorter
old zephyr
yes and no, once rage is full, you can pool IP and use it to decrease CD.
It's probably not THAT far ahead, but my reasonning is :
if you take a hit that would kill you, having 5 more armor/vers/mast may save you, but with less than 5% hp you'll die next ht anyway.
that exta haste means you are more likely to something to mitigate the bad hit and you have a sort of control over it.
Prot reward proactive gameplay and control over your defensives => haste
junior igloo
Sure, you can pool cooldowns via AM, but the possible pool time is still shorter.
stuck geyser
Any prots here doing 10+ mythics?
junior igloo
But haste is still good on tank swap fights, mostly because as you get closer to mitigating most/all hits with shield block, it becomes better
stuck geyser
Am i wrong or prots are shi t tier?
old zephyr
it's not best tier, but it's not really shit
stuck geyser
I play mostly pugs playing as prot in anything above 10 is nightmare ye dps is great but ..
old zephyr
i mean, druids exists
ionic swallow
yesterday i do M10 Waycrest Manor....
stuck geyser
Main spec is arms but i always played prot here and there was hording gear for prot as well and i felt like this was worst tank alongside druids
junior igloo
It's hard to quantify the value of control over your defensives (given by haste = more up-time).
I valued it as double in my spreadsheet (so 1 damage prevented by haste is as valuable as 2 damage prevented by versatility for example), because you can choose which hits you want to mitigate.
But whether you consider it 50 % better, or double (like the spreadsheet), or even higher than that, that's currently mostly personal opinion, I don't think we have a good model to quantify it
near shard
What do you keys is like someth typical that prot wars do wrong? Like obv pretty dzcent ones? Like example not weaving defensives good enough, kiting packs or so?
pallid axle
altar dazar is pretty easy as prot i did a 9+ two chest and wiped through a +12 xD
old zephyr
you need to play your prot proactively.
Know when bad things are gonna happen beforehand, and dont let them happen
topaz badger
Anyone here tanking zul on hc?
pallid axle
ye
old zephyr
if bad things happen, your recovery power is very low, but you have great tool to prevent that
topaz badger
do you save all cds for phase 2?
pallid axle
no i got two other tanks to handle that XD
topaz badger
so most of the shit should be handled by healers right?
old zephyr
leap away ask for BoP
topaz badger
I mean at 3 stacks it's ticking for like 80k or smtn
before mitigation
or like, without cds I mean
junior igloo
I also didn't calculate the increase in Ignore Pain from haste because that was beyond the scope of the spreadsheet. So I just estimated it to be roughly equal to versa/mastery
old zephyr
alternatively, leap away, Die and use CR as a def CD
tight tree
Take 2 stacks, wait until 3 seconds left, leap away, BoP, charge back
topaz badger
how do you take 2 stacks? :p
topaz badger
oh right, if you're using BoP tactic
tight tree
If healers are good you can take 3 then bop fast
topaz badger
I mean, it doesn't run out on co-tank before 3 stacks
old zephyr
I usually take 3 or 4 because of timing. I usually die, but we still kill it
tight tree
After initial BoPs its whatever, we taunt as soon as debuff is off
topaz badger
or do I just need to taunt later?
pallid axle
we took 3 tanks cause of lack of healing aaand we have no paladins in our group ... so yeah triple tanks serves fine
tight tree
It is clusterfuck but boss dies around that time usually
topaz badger
so this boss is just utter bs
pallid axle
gearcheck
tight tree
Yes, always feels uncontrollable. Dot is just too much to tank reliably.
old zephyr
if no one does mistakes you don't need the CR on zul why not use it as externals?
ember arrow
- Hes in 9.0
topaz badger
hmm
pallid axle
well at least for us its just a physical dmg debuff^^ so it gets mitigated by armor so DH, Druid, paladin can mitigate it 😄 monks stagger fun fact works also dunno why though
pallid axle
its not a bleed
topaz badger
"Rupturing blood" not a bleed, gg blizz :p
pallid axle
could be my client but a bleed does bleed dmg on german clients
ember arrow
Bleed is physical
pallid axle
physical dmg is a different sotry
junior igloo
I think it's a bleed.
Stagger should work at reduced rate as it does against magic/bleed, right?
topaz badger
we clear 5/8 super easy, but zul is like a brick wall
only yesterday we started doing the "just burn him down to 40% and ignore phase1"
(which is also bs imo)
tight tree
Still have to do hexers/crushers no?
pallid axle
hmm harjatan does bleed dmg o.o zul does not
tight tree
If you have DPS to do it with only 1 crusher, you should not have any problems burning him phase 2
topaz badger
well 1 spawned crusher, I'm not talking about the one at the start :p
topaz badger
lemme get logs
pallid axle
i did XD
ember arrow
Physical dot is per definition a bleed
ember arrow
No
tight tree
Well, shit. only CDs/externals then. JK, used them to cover gaps in shield block 🤣
dies in pool
topaz badger
so you guys use BoP and combat ress as mechanics to kill the boss?
so take 2 stacks, leap to side and get bop or die? :p
vast void
feels bad to loose DC on shoulders. but 45 ilvl upgrade from chest q.q
@topaz badger we take 3-4 first, get BOP and then do 2-3 and hope the boss is dead asap
old zephyr
If you BoP /CR it you can take 3-4
topaz badger
if we survive that long >.<
vast void
healers just need to bump that healing into you 😃
topaz badger
we were doing 2-4-16
vast void
2-4-16? uff, get another healer. that would help a ton
tight tree
Our healers cant keep up with 3 stacks, it is finicky. High risk of dropping pool on top of Zul.
junior igloo
use cooldowns
vast void
^also that
old zephyr
Use CD and leap away
dull pilot
does bop when it removes the bleed drop a red ring ?
ember arrow
Yes
junior igloo
yes
old zephyr
No tank in the middle and leap to the side to drop
vast void
keep zul somewhat in the middle
dull pilot
k
fair crystal
Booya took me a while but tank AOTC boys 😄
vast void
grats 😃
fickle kiln
On our first kill, i leaped out with 5% and died on the side so it wouldn't wipe the entire raid.
Feelsgoodman
uneven mason
Took4 stacks on Zul last night and lived feelsgoodman
sick sentinel
The trait does, reorigination array does not
Also CR is a valid external for Zul IMO
sick sentinel
Do you have a frost mage or an assassination rogue?
past ledge
how many stacks till i kite?
rustic fractal
Leap talent is good too this week no ?
sick sentinel
@past ledge it's not about how many stacks, it's about having enough aggro
sick sentinel
And @rustic fractal I always using leap talent but thinking about using TC range talent this week actually to be able to hit them out of melee range
rustic fractal
Always picked tc too
But I may consider picking Ravager this week
No trollinh
Ing
raven kernel
really shouldnt have threat issues
sick sentinel
I was as well
But I kept braking polymorphs and incaps
So I took it off and I am fine now
old zephyr
Charge in with avatar and bolster, do retarded dps for 10-15 secs ,leap out and kite, no aggro issue
near shard
How should i weave defensives on m+ bosses? SB, LS, SB, SW etc?
old zephyr
SB SB SB LS SB SB SW SB
then you'll hve DTs between your SBs until LS comes back
youmay use 3 sb between LS an SW not sure
near shard
DT's?
old zephyr
downtime
near shard
Right
How would you change that up on for example 3rd boss underrot with the aoe dmg?
old zephyr
the shockwave thing?
lunar jackal
Ask for a small external if u want 100% uptime such as druids ironbark
old zephyr
SB SB SB LS SB SB SW SB should be 90+ uptime already for the begining
then keep SB charges rolling while having it for shickwave
near shard
Not the shockwave, the festering infestation, just any group wide magic dmg rly
Might be mixing up spells, just had trouble not dying to group wide dmg on some fights
old zephyr
oh if you have rogue/pal they can imune and run into all the shrooms to prevent it
if you have a MW monk he can mass purge it
else juste backpedal some shroom to clear the room
and have shockwave and the AoE on DPS clear as many as possible
merry cave
You can clear them all with the upheaval and shockwave anyway
As long as people don't position them like mongs
old zephyr
stacks can be dispelled by healers (except by druid I think)
if the cast is going it's better that you run into all the shroom rather than having them explode
oblique garnet
If you have hunters and rogues in group they can also clear them out
near shard
Hm i see
cinder roost
All my high ilvl gear is crit/mast 😡 Blizz please
steel mauve
I mean thats not that terrible
old zephyr
it's good for M+
steel mauve
Crit is actually really close to vers and haste
vagrant cape
Thanks to ITF, doesn't haste get better the more of it you have?
mellow bridge
yes
junior igloo
Don't think so, why should it?
mellow bridge
Since it's a % increase of the amount of haste you have, the higher your haste the more you will get
vagrant cape
Into the fray multiplies your true haste by 1.15 with 5 stacks
mellow bridge
Unless I misunderstand the talent
vagrant cape
If you have 20% base haste in your character panel, you actually have 120% "true" haste which gets multiplies by 1.15
So into the fray will grant you 18% flat haste (up to 138%) instead of the expected 15% (135%)
But I was wondering if there's a point where, if you have enough haste, that you'd start picking haste over ilvl
Maybe not now, but later on in the expansion
junior igloo
You could just consider the 115 to be "baseline" and haste works normally.
If it stacked additively, ITF would make haste worse.
Since they stack multiplicatively, it doesn't make it better or worse.
The stat that increases in value is versatility.
Going from 0 % to 1 % reduces your damage taken by 0.5 %.
Going from 199 % to 200 % reduces your damage taken by 100 % :)
But these effects are too small to make any noticeable difference at reachable levels
vagrant cape
Huh. Are you sure that checks out? It could also read "Gain 15% haste. For every 10% you have at baseline, gain another 1.5% haste."
If you look at it as 115% base haste, it still makes haste have a steeper curve than other stats
What's the base length of a GCD with 0% haste?
junior igloo
10 % haste means you get 10 % more actions in the same amount of time.
If ITF was additive, going from 115 % to 125 % would be only 125/115 = ~ 8.7 % increase in total actions..
But because it's multiplicative, you still get full 10 %.
steel mauve
Haste doesnt really get better the more you have but itf does
spice musk
what would you take Strenght of Number or Unstable Flames. In raids i woul say unstable flames in M+ Strenght of Numbers.
vagrant cape
Huh. That's an interesting way to look at it.
signal plover
I think he means base GCD
steel mauve
With 0% haste its 1.5 seconds
junior igloo
yeah
vagrant cape
So with 100% haste it'd be 0.75s, and at 200% would it be 0.375s?
junior igloo
It caps at 100 % = 0.75
vagrant cape
Oh really? I didn't know it had a cap
steel mauve
I think gcd caps at 1 second min though
junior igloo
Also, if it didn't, you'd need 300 % for 0.375.
200 % would be 0.5.
But yeah, it caps at 100 %
steel mauve
Meaning you cant go below 1 second no matter what
willow dirge
well given rogues have a 1sec GCD base
steel mauve
Unless they changed that, i know it fucked with me in wrath
junior igloo
Not any more, classes with scaling GCD are 1.5s baseline and capped at 100 % = 0.75s
amber siren
it's 0.75, it doesn't cap at 1 sec
steel mauve
Ah ok
vagrant cape
Yeah, I know I've felt my GCD go under one second during lust
junior igloo
Classes that have a different resource other than cooldowns/GCDs (such as energy for rogues or monks or runes for DKs) just have a static 1s GCD
willow dirge
Huh, I always thought it still scaled down. TIL.
vagrant cape
So it's GCD = 1.5s * (100/(haste% +100))?
junior igloo
yeah, that's correct
junior igloo
Azeroth probably explodes if you try to divide by 0
vagrant cape
Why do you think sargeras got so pissed?
sick sentinel
Haste life.
tight tree
Defending warriors in DK discord like a champ
tight tree
I am protection right? So i have to PROTEC warriors
signal plover
Nah u see...if u put out too much positive out there, blizz will see and will revert all their amazing and OP changes they surely have planned for us ..
round vortex
Hey guys, whats the preference on Archive of the Titans or Lazer Matrix If i had the choice?
round vortex
Oh shit i must've missed it lol
signal plover
<3
round vortex
I got the mythrax shoulders and the G'Huun head
so was choosing between them as my other piece has defeaning crash
tight tree
@signal plover Well i bash Prot all the time! But i am allowed because i play it. Lowly DK has no right to shit on warriors.
vagrant cape
Anyone else excited to use a 340 deafening crash piece until 8.1? :D
astral crystal
whooo
leaden kernel
im excited to use my 340 pieces till 8.1
tight tree
🌈
leaden kernel
cause i aint getting upgrades
vagrant cape
If you got one from m+ cache, please let me know what true happiness feels like
tawny lantern
Even that screws prot war lol
leaden kernel
i could only get it if its on the same slot as deafening crash, but it doesnt have the crash
stiff orbit
I got a 370 shoulder with the Revenge trait
round vortex
Closest I got was this. Bracer for impact and Overwhelming power. I consider it BIS since there is no DC piece in M+
Brace *
stiff orbit
Are you happy for me Byron
vagrant cape
I've gone from a, 325 - 340 - 345 - 350 in my shield slot
tawny lantern
I got 2 bfi, but without df the class feels really bad
vagrant cape
I shall revel for you, @stiff orbit
round vortex
yeah im in the 340 club lol
tawny lantern
U can get a shield spamming atal
stiff orbit
See you say that
round vortex
Trust me I've done plenty of AD lol
I have an 8 key this week - hoping it's kind to me
stiff orbit
I've yet to see it drop on any difficulty lol
tawny lantern
I got every item from atal 2 times
stiff orbit
Lucky you
vagrant cape
Same. I spam atal dazar and tol dagor. No shields nor trinkets. my 345 rezan is weeks old
stiff orbit
Though I did finally get Rezans trinket
round vortex
I've had the wrists about 9 times and thats it lol
stiff orbit
So there's that at least
vagrant cape
I got a 380 sword from mythrax though :D
vagrant cape
Yeah it's so shiny
tawny lantern
Really you guys are having that much of a problem in atal? Maybe u are not spaming enough. I just do +8 and try to get it +2 every time.
Was pretty much all i did last week
tawny lantern
And i suck, imagine if i was any good
cinder pasture
Paladin guildie got this one in his weekly chest...I contemplated gkicking him out of jealousy 😂
frosty wedge
ugh weekly chest
silk mortar
Lucky me
frosty wedge
I got 0 usable pieces for 4 chars
silk mortar
Got the same thing ^^
dusk locust
everything i get out of the chest has no haste
cinder pasture
Same 😦
Last 2 weeks I've gotten 380 bracers with vers/mastery and fire resist, and 380 boots with vers/mastery. At least the boots had a socket though
chrome harbor
Hold on you guys wear stuff from the chest instead of scrapping it?
frosty wedge
not me!
sick sentinel
Week before last yes. Not this week.
frosty wedge
it's usually just a piece for a slot I already have a 380 in
steel mauve
Usually its trash, this week was kind to me
mellow bridge
fuck the weekly chest rng 😭
frosty wedge
I'm just salty that as someone that just wants to do 5 man content and doesn't have a schedule predictable enough to get a decent raid.... it's my only source of azerite gear
mellow bridge
yup same
frosty wedge
potential source of azerite gear*
mellow bridge
I don't have the time to raid actively and neither do I really find it fun
so I'm just screwed
I despise the azerite system in it's current form
frosty wedge
oh raiding is totally my jam but my job is demanding and I often have calls at night when I would be raiding, get calle dout of town on short notice, etc
so... I have a solid like 7 people I play with all the time and it's fun - but being in all m6+ gear and wearing 2x 340 azerite pieces is super annoying
mellow bridge
yup same
got 340 azerite gear slots
And I can't get a good trinket to drop
My +10 chest didnt even give me a single ilvl to my total since it was on one of the slots I already had smth good on
all the bads one just dont get replaced, idk
frosty wedge
also the "it's an ilvl upgrade so you can't trade it" sstem is bullshit
I was in a motherlode 10 on my monk last night and two other people got things that were 5 ilvl upgrades that were actually downgrades due to secondaries
rustic fractal
Does Ablative Shielding stack if you have 2 traits or not ?
rustic fractal
Does anybody know ?
frosty wedge
yeah ablative stacks
rustic fractal
Ok nice, ty
frosty wedge
but it's still not a great trait
rustic fractal
I don't have better on this ring, otherwise, its crit stacking or Gutripper
frosty wedge
ah
old zephyr
Isn't impassible visage the best ?
frosty wedge
gemhide and impassive yeah
steel mauve
Both s tier
frosty wedge
so a piece with BFI and gemhide is pretty solid
and like, ablative is still good
I'm so jealous of those kraken shell though
fierce halo
Those shoulders are listed in the bis combo in the guide
old zephyr
I got mother's helm yesterday,
BFI, Azerite veins and Impas. Visage.
It's only 355 but so nice
frosty wedge
BIS helm
cinder pasture
I've been trying to get that helmet every week since raids were released
No luck so far 😦
frosty wedge
I'm honestly thinking about speccing arms and getting into a pug normal/heroic even though I really don't care about uldir just so I can pick up some azerite pieces for m+ tanking
also motherlode 10 this week is ihlariously easy of the infested buff is on the same packs eevery time
we only had to deal with it like 4-5 times total on the route i took last night
earnest zinc
This seems like a good week for prot warriors
primal crypt
...are we not using the strength gems?
Looks like icyveins only has us gemming haste?
tropic star
mother helm has eluded me as well. Double rolled mother each week so 4x heroic, 2xmythic and no helm
primal crypt
I thought we used one str...
tropic star
feelsbadman
old zephyr
to the questions "but why do we go for Ilvl first?" the answer is ARMOR and STAM
steel mauve
Not 100%
All of our stats are so close together that more of the total stats is better than one specific stat
versed whale
whats the minimum upgrade of Ilvl where you would consider it better than perfect stats?
were*
steel mauve
Str + armor + stam + all secondaries out weight the lower total number pretty much of lower ilvl
signal plover
Pretty much any unless the DC trait is involved
versed whale
sorry whats dc?
tropic star
think they intentionaly left DC out of the raid traits just to make getting a higher ilvl one harder?
steel mauve
Rings are the only iffy ones and pretty much preference
signal plover
Deafening crash
tropic star
feel like im going to have a 340 DC shoulders for a long time
steel mauve
I think it was just an oversight and they were aware of how impactful dc would be
Unaware*
Even nerfed it, but probably had the raid items alresdy in place
mortal pike
Got 385 shoulders, back to 340 chest instead 😃
tropic star
lol extending an 8 second Defensive to almost 30 seconds and they thought that wouldnt be impactful?
mortal pike
Tank tuning is not a priority
steel mauve
Well they did nerf it and probably didnt forsee it
Use to dc stacked the duration
In beta
tropic star
like 3x would be 6seconds per clap?
steel mauve
It was only 1 second but 3 dc's would be 3 seconds
tropic star
ahh
steel mauve
So they made it not stack but increased it to 2
tropic star
lol
modern brook
Godlike
tropic star
yeah but that would be 3x 340 azerite for all eternity
steel mauve
Still be worth
old zephyr
you'd have 100% uptime with that
lunar jackal
Changes id make for prot. Make DS aoe taunt. IP off gcd but smaller size. Any thoughts?
bold zinc
Is it hard to push 10+ with Warrior?
old zephyr
give us 100% damage increase and 50% passive damage reduction and we good
@bold zinc nnot really, just have a good team
digital arrow
Give warrior two shields!
amber siren
No tanks are hard to do 10s with, just need decent party members
bold zinc
I meant above 10
old zephyr
bring your boomie and frost mage friends and it's easy peasy
lunar jackal
@bold zinc its not hard. Just to be clear prot warr doesnt suck. The prpblem is everybody has to pull their weight. Fuck ups are extemely punishing.
strange plover
!traits
old zephyr
the main weakness of prot is you can't really recover from mistakes by yourself
amber siren
I mean if you're pushing 15+ you will start to notice the discrepancies between tanks
strange plover
is reinforced plating closer to the top our our trait list now?
amber siren
We aren't DK god tier by any stretch
lunar jackal
Honestly if it were my choice id make all the classes like that. I love prot just for that l. It makes me really play at a better level.
A class that allows many mistakes and u still get out of it alive is poorly tuned for me
And boring
amber siren
@strange plover I'm genuinely not sure, you might have some luck pinging Marok but I'm too scared to do it lmao
strange plover
right on, thank ya
lunar jackal
@old zephyr what would u say a well stacked is?
primal crypt
With the Uldir helm, you will want to use the Brace for Impact Icon Brace for Impact trait on it until your Reorigination Array Icon Reorigination Array reaches 500+ Haste.
old zephyr
500+ haste I believe is the agreed upon value
steel mauve
Its not exactly agreed upon, no one really knows, that was a guestimation at best
primal crypt
What Marok says is law.
lunar jackal
So no one should be using that trait according to the amount of weeks honestly? Right?
amber siren
oblique wolf
primal crypt
storm isle
but that only works in raids so dosnt matter if you dont raid
steel mauve
I think hes been using it since 150
primal crypt
Yolo.
old zephyr
I do use it with only 300 haste but that's just feelycraft
steel mauve
And i mean we literally have no idea to test whats better
primal crypt
The only thing that matters is DC
outside of that, do what keeps you alive honestly
alive long enough to Avatar TC your way to victory
lunar spade
Does race for prot warrio really matter at this point ? I used to always be big boi tauren and then went orc for pvp ... but recently I've been tempted to go Blelf for the aoe dispell for when it comes in handy
old zephyr
Belfs Is best for m+ utility
formal kayak
if I cast spell reflection while chaos bolt is MID FLIGHT
does it still reflect?
lunar spade
no
primal crypt
has to be before the cast
that's why people pump fake their casts
to bait out the SR
steel mauve
Race doesnt matter pick what looks the best
old zephyr
dwarves could have use for the DoT removal on some encounters, and LF Draenei can dish out some nice AoE burst, usefull for aggro or clearing nasty packs
it's mostly a matter of feels
primal crypt
tauren has biggest shields
steel mauve
Moose man tauren best warrior
steel mauve
My door shield is the size of 4 gnomes
frosty wedge
+1 for tauren
versed whale
And war stomp is quite useful if you dont have a reliable pug
old zephyr
I like my LF Draenei, makes me top damage metter even more when I die hue
signal plover
I play DI atm but always pray for alliance Tauren before I go to bed at night.
One day there'll be no more race restrictions on factions.
old zephyr
just wait for sylv to do a bit more shit and in few days everyone will be alliance 😃
uneven mason
Went Stormwind for the wife, stayed for the Dark Iron
signal plover
Faction lines are gonna blur before BFA is over imo
obsidian siren
Hey bois, i was wondering, any of you done the uhm... "subtle" strategy on M mother?
uneven mason
"______ is now threatening all of Azeroth, the ______ and _______ have banded together to face this new threat. Let us all learn from their example and unite as one, both horde an alliance, for our world!" - Plot of the __th Expansion.
obsidian siren
aka more or less rush 3rd room
uneven mason
I Hope they throw a real twist this time and Sylvanas is really fucking evil and kills Tyrande Genn and Moira
like "actual impactful lore thing happened because 1 faction did something to the other"
and "bad guys win"
Speaking of bad guys win
I took 4 stacks on Zul and didn't die as a prot warrior, AMA.
obsidian siren
lies, lies everywhere :p
uneven mason
oh wait, not bad guys, "Baddies"
compact wyvern
Can you use laser matrix for tanking? As opposed to blood sport which is the other trait
obsidian siren
well at least laser matrix will give you haste.... ^^''
old zephyr
i don't think it's worth it
bloodsport is not that bad
matrix will heal the raid more than it will heal you
compact wyvern
But how big of a difference is there? Im thinking since laser matrix is pretty good in arms
old zephyr
yes becaus eit deals damage
damage will not help you a lot as a tank, and healing the raid (if it ever proc wich i'm not sure) will only help you very little
obsidian siren
it's been nerfed recently, it's only worth it in uldir
compact wyvern
What i am saying is that im swithcing between specs, so does the slight loss in survivability for it in prot justify the dps gain for ST uldir as opposed to LoW?
junior igloo
@primal crypt @old zephyr @amber siren @steel mauve @lunar jackal @oblique wolf
Not sure where the 500 haste is coming from, I'd use Archive over BfI from week 3 if it's your only source of Reorigination Array
steel mauve
One of the admins here through out 500 haste for it taking over but like i said theres no way to actually test it, and it was a guestimation at best
junior igloo
Yeah, the guide is a few weeks old I think
vast void
i feel like i have so little mastery -.- sitting at 19% only
signal plover
U aren't much of a master eh?
vast void
not really ^^ rings are with crit and vers, weapon and shiel crit haste ... sigh
near shard
I know weve been saying pretty much all stats are similair, ilvl over secondaries and all. But i only do m+, woule haste / crit be ideal or does it really have no diffirence @ the same ilvl?
sick sentinel
doing M+ you should be focusing on doing TD for the trinket and generally dungeons with Shields, like Atal.
Also, trying to shoot for dungeons that have gear with Haste as the major stat is good choice (You do not care about the other stat that much , it still matters but not as much as having the major be haste)
^^ this is my Personal view of the things btw, being the guy with the most M+ completed in my guild
junior igloo
Oh you mean Jes' Howler?
sick sentinel
yeap
primal crypt
Meh
old zephyr
Atal triket is awesome as well
primal crypt
Atal trinket plus blockades