dk's spin to win now too?
#protection
keen spire
modern brook
wraith walk :/
modern brook
I dont understand teasing im a warrior
keen spire
me war, me make smash
wet compass
@ember arrow it's not an opinion wod lost millions of subs and ion wasn't fired that's doing things differently
hot locust
Someone help me I've been going through TC withdrawal after last night.
keen spire
o.o
hot locust
Ever just pop avatar and sit there spamming devastate for SS resets because if you AoE at all it'll be a bad time?
modern brook
what nightmare were u living?
hot locust
Zul.
chrome harbor
chances are if Im tanking near a CC one of the derp dps will break it instead
chrome harbor
fuck rogues
solid mist
new glpyh opportunity: Quiet Thunder : TC no longer breaks CC'd targets
modern brook
silly dps
chrome harbor
no longer breaks or no longer hits cc? cause thats be OP
modern brook
Avatar = these are my meters now
tribal shale
New hotfix: aoe spells don't break cc anymore
chrome harbor
i mean youre discussing your ideas instead of implementing them straight from spitballing, thats already a head start
ember crest
anyone know of a decent swing timer weak aura for self/target? coming up with a lot of misses on wago.io
solid mist
"lot of misses" 
ember crest
as in non functioning or busted
wet compass
check the method warrior's stream he had a decent one for himself
not sure about a target one though
ember crest
hahaha
chilly brook
modern brook
Swing timer is pretty superfluous in BFA
chilly brook
For all you “it was better in vanilla” peeps
wet compass
I thought it was a mount at first
and was like cool and then like lol fuck no
Give me my demo mount if you want 50 bucks
ember crest
hope you boys are ready to get that tab sunder warmed up
wet compass
Or I can give riot 100 for that kaisa like I probably will end up doing
I'm not play vanilla again
If they did Wrath I might
or even Bc
or dear god yes MoP
daring marlin
wet compass
Vanilla is such an unpolished game a lot of the fun was just the journey and the friends we made along the way
I can't raid like I did in vanilla anymore just don't have time
wild bolt
@modern brook Actually changing targets resets your swing timer as far as I know, unless they've massively changed something, which with all the target cycling we have to do to maintain initial aggro, means you're delaying your auto attack potentially, which isn't completely insignificant.
modern brook
Its pretty superfluous
wet compass
if it's free with the base game maybe I'll get it
and level a rogue to fuck with people
especially if they start from 0 on the patch cycle
ember crest
well if you've played modern vanilla on nost and beyond, the amount of farming required for optimum raiding is wild, especially for prot wars, i had to have a 60 mage just to farm gold so i could play the war
wet compass
yeah which is why I can't do it again
solid mist
yeah like.... different time. it was super fun exploring and figuring shit out with friends... back when I had massive amounts of free time. And hopping from FFXI to WoW was like 'OMG PEOPLE WITH QUESTS HAVE EXCLAMATION POINTS OVER THEIR HEAD THIS IS INCREDIBLE' but it's difficult for me to understand wanting to go back
fleet ridge
saving grace for me in vanilla was running AQ20 and selling the skill upgrade books on the AH, which is only way our guild made any cash for raiding
wet compass
I sold the DM books
frosty wedge
yah I farmed quell serrar books
ember crest
i loved the ambushes with goblin sapper charges on 40 people in black rock mountain
wet compass
and naxx carries
wet compass
Hungering Cold the best*
frosty wedge
I'm sad timewalking doesn't scale up old items
fleet ridge
we died on HURHURAN in Aq40
wet compass
We aren't going to talk about that fucking orange sword
frosty wedge
I want to tank with thunderfury again
ember crest
its pretty good
wet compass
f anyone who had that in vanilla
fleet ridge
thunderfury was godly
kind kestrel
RTZS kills Maydie (Grand Marshall Warrior) in starter gear
wet compass
I hate you all
frosty wedge
lol
chilly brook
TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if they “adjusted” some things
frosty wedge
if it makes you feel better didn't get it till we were clearing naxx
chilly brook
For classic
fleet ridge
Eibach, as a rogue?
frosty wedge
but i went camping for a weekend in BWL and a rogue in my guild got both bindings b/c I wasn't there
so...
solid mist
as a rogue I'd do this solo route to kill that rare mob spawn to try and get the arcanite reaper blueprint, then sell that
tha'ts how I made money
wet compass
I literally leveled a rogue just to camp the rogues in other alliance guild who got tf
while I sat on my one binding for multiple years
solid mist
same thing with the one weapon enchant... from the guys in the tower... crusader enchant? I don't fucking remember
winter skiff
Lol whats wrong with sco ui
wet compass
it's a fucking mess
ancient reef
yeah dude
fleet ridge
yeah, I had the one biding; we ran MC every week, even doing AQ40, and never got the other one
chilly brook
At this point being alliance is becoming more and more interesting to me from a visual standpoint
ancient reef
made all my vanilla money from kill scarlet peeps in plaguelands
chilly brook
I can’t stand Sco’s UI
wet compass
he basically has a window for his character and then it's surrounded by shit
learn to minimize damn it
winter skiff
Lets see ur guys
wild bolt
I've been running in there for 10 years now nearly every week with Geddon's binding in my bag. I have yet to see Garr's.
winter skiff
His is kinda heavy i agree
ancient reef
an farming leather in winterspring forever
winter skiff
I use a mix of his and befuddled
wet compass
I'll link mine when I get home remind me in 5 hours or so
fleet ridge
I used to farm the dudes in deadwind pass; for the eggs, to make monster omlettes
and sell those on the AH
the food buff was lit
winter skiff
K
wet compass
or actually I might have emailed it to someone recently sec
wild bolt
My rogue made his money farming the drops off the Air & earth elementals in NW Silithus and selling those on the AH
wet compass
https://imgur.com/a/qx2hjzB here's mine
fleet ridge
Xath, is that Afniar UI?
wet compass
modified slightly but yeah
chilly brook
I prefer it to be as clean as possible
fleet ridge
Fucking money right there; I love that
wet compass
I don't like his positioning for some stuff
fleet ridge
can you upload yours?
wet compass
I mean just go wagio grab his then play around with sizes it's mainly based on his elv profile
fleet ridge
oh it's elvui?
winter skiff
I see
upbeat folio
Okay, so I finished that temple of sehtraliss.
Two hunters and a shadow priest as DPS was not wise.
But i didn't make the group.
winter skiff
I really like https://youtu.be/b7KOmic5u98
upbeat folio
I ended up just going hard on the kite. Ran to the orb, then to od the door and back toward the bridge.
winter skiff
His ui is clean and simple
outer dew
3rd boss has a very slow swing timer
keen spire
you talkin about the blue beam zappy fuck?
chilly brook
I just want less orc themed gear for horde please
upbeat folio
Yah, blue beam zappy fack.
keen spire
just join the alliance
that's what I did
😃
Dwarf master race, broooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
upbeat folio
If you get lucky and parry two swings in a row, leap to reset.
keen spire
outer dew
What level key was it?
upbeat folio
+9
outer dew
I did a +9 and didn't bother to reset it
upbeat folio
I had to eat galvanize a few times, seemed prudent.
outer dew
I did too
The Necro stacks don't get insane imo
If dps is high, boss should die before stacks get ridic
upbeat folio
I had 20 at one point during our first attempt. My response was probably ham-fisted.
sharp raptor
Hey guys how does prot warrior do in zek'voz for soloing the combo? Better to swap after shatter?
chilly brook
@keen spire tbh I’m considering it
But the dwarf combat animations are weird
@sharp raptor just fine can easily take the full thing and stay above 50% hp
steel mauve
I swap after combo to accomodate my co tank but warriors can take the full combo just fine
dusk locust
i take the full combo with no issue
sharp raptor
What CDs do you use?
chilly brook
Like none
dusk locust
spell reflect the third hit and make sure you block the second
chilly brook
Outside of SR
outer dew
Just be a panda warrior :^)
steel mauve
Nothing on the first, shield block the shatter and spell reflect the third
dusk locust
for fun i'll put up shield wall every other combo
chilly brook
I am a panda
dusk locust
and i keep ignore pain up for all the hits
outer dew
Bless your heart griff
chilly brook
But I feel like panda would look bad in the alliance pvp armor
steel mauve
Last stand if desperste i guess
outer dew
Fem or Male?
outer dew
Fem looks fine in alliance pvp
steel mauve
But absorbs arent effected by the healing debuff so you can ignore pain for full the third hit
chilly brook
TBF I love dwarves
old night
griff, dark iron rules
keen spire
Dude, honestly dwarves are cool as shit
chilly brook
It doesn’t reflect it but it does mitigate it
old night
i love mine
keen spire
and they're getting that boss-ass heritage armor soon
the attack animations are pretty homogenized at this point
chilly brook
I mean I don’t wanna look like muradin tho
old night
man i wish I h ad a list of shit SR mitigates
chilly brook
Except for that goofy backhand spin @keen spire
old night
same
chilly brook
Does it? I guess I could mog it and hope I get the stormforged dwarf off my toy to check it out
keen spire
yeah dude
keen spire
I did that for a bit too
chilly brook
I think everyone does lol
chilly brook
I think you’re just saying something about what you prefer in your hands 🙃
wet compass
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/emerald-dream/Xathra staff warriors unite
outer dew
TBF.... I have all 7 classes that pandas can be as female pandas
modern brook
I think people over value "black on black" as a good transmog
wet compass
I think people need to use chosen more
chilly brook
Black on black on slate black
merry cave
My war was a female panda.. I kinda miss it she was super cute
wet compass
it's the perfect warrior mog
chrome harbor
is there a way to mog the iron soldiers saber with the hidden prot shield?
sand egret
where my other female dwarves at?
modern brook
nice touch
wet compass
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
chilly brook
If no one gets that reference I’m gonna be sad
wet compass
Also like my stafffs 😛
merry cave
Back in black?
chrome harbor
or is the shield mog tied to teh weapon, which is the dumbest thing ever
wet compass
ew no use hand of adal
modern brook
shield mog is tied to the weapon for legion artifacts
wet compass
for life
modern brook
otherwise i think its free?
wet compass
or champ
chilly brook
Shield is tied to it rn @chrome harbor they’re supposedly working on fixing it
wet compass
chosen is the mog gm is the wep
chrome harbor
they're working on it? good
wet compass
back should really be togc chest cloak but I'm lazy
keen spire
yeah the shield mog also doesn't actually register properly on your character
wet compass
I should try to use wod cm weps but again lazy
chilly brook
I’m really really looking forward to seeing the blood elf heritage armor
wet compass
better give us fucking high elves
keen spire
so if you select your weapon to be changed over to the flail, for example, the shield will show up in game as the artifact shield, but on your character select screen or the armory, it will show up as unmogged
modern brook
why'd you jinx yourself like that griff
chrome harbor
im hoping for goblin heritage armor
wet compass
I want my elf warrior that isn't the most edgy of edgy but also wants to be a pretty pink princess
digital arrow
@old night have u ever played on proudmoore? ur name is familiar
wet compass
worgen and goblin are never getting updated
old night
^
chrome harbor
honestly worgen probably need them more, at least the current goblin models look fine. idk what the hell happened to fem worgen in production
wet compass
otherwise it would be gnome level
old night
furries
digital arrow
oh i think u were tanking for the guild i was in, <unrivaled> perhaps a long time ago?
old night
nope
chilly brook
@modern brook what do you mean?
wet compass
people said they looked too cute so blizz went full on beverly hill rabid chiahuaha
old night
only tanked for <authority> @digital arrow
modern brook
@chilly brook looking forward to something is the number one way to be disappointed with blizzard.
chrome harbor
of furryphobia, which is the only thing i can think of to explain the pure outrage that happened when vulpera were talked about as an allied race
old night
I used to do a lot of mythic+
wet compass
chilly brook
Oh well I don’t think they could really mess it up tho
old night
we've probably crossed paths at some point
digital arrow
yeah thats probably it
wet compass
the only icc armor set I wanted but it's npc only
chrome harbor
wow those worgen look normal
chilly brook
I mean the updated guard armor for Silvermoon is dope
chilly brook
And if it’s anything like that the heritage armor will be a1
digital arrow
for some reason female worgens crack me up
wet compass
because of the side view
digital arrow
lol yeah
wet compass
the bottom right is live
chrome harbor
the fuck is with the bedroom eyes on bottom left
modern brook
but im afraid to say that outloud
digital arrow
lmao
lavish oracle
There was outrage about Vulpera? Everyone I've talked to was excited about Vulpera and sethrak as potential allied races
digital arrow
theyre trying to make a female wolf look feminine
thats whats going on on the bottom left
chrome harbor
the top looked fine as is
chilly brook
Yea top looked way better
chrome harbor
i mean its not like... FF levels where they stick dog ears on a highschool girl and call it a werewolf
sand egret
human in the streets...beast in the sheets
digital arrow
lmao
modern brook
@chrome harbor have u ever seena werewolf
old night
if worgen stood upright and looked as beast as genn does in the cinematic design wise
it'd be rad
modern brook
how u know that isnt it?
chrome harbor
no werewolves dont exist
modern brook
HMMMMM??????
chrome harbor
you got me
sand egret
if worgens get to look like Genn....then dammit I expect my Goblin to look like Gallywixx
old night
for sure
chilly brook
Hahahhaha
old night
be a fat overweight goblin
modern brook
genn looks stupid unless in cinematics though
old night
make your gut spill out of your armor
sand egret
born to be a prot tank
modern brook
why would ppl want that
chilly brook
We should have a gallywix body type for goblins tbh
chilly brook
Because why not be a thicc boi
modern brook
damn film i get you're mad that I was discussing something before
sand egret
a lil' thicc boi
modern brook
you need to calm down
chilly brook
Some people get enjoyment out of being ridiculous
old night
i like worgen, I just hate the arched back
sand egret
yeah
digital arrow
i wonder what blizz's version of ff's au ra (dragon race) would look like. ff makes em look way too cute
keen spire
honestly, the thing I don't like about worgen isn't their arched back, it's the way their arms swing when they walk
chilly brook
By chance Film are you a female?
sand egret
In a perfect world, I could play a worgen where I'd be in human form 90% of the time until I popped my CDs, whcih turns me into Worgen
keen spire
being able to choose which form you're in for combat would be tight
digital arrow
that would be awesome
sand egret
legit beastmode
digital arrow
fuck yeah
modern brook
thats what turned me off to worgen on the whole
digital arrow
i'd love a beastmode
modern brook
I'd rather play were than wolf
chilly brook
Not to be a generalist but I feel like most people that like worgen are female
digital arrow
avatar would be beast mode
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wet compass
Most girls I know hate the current worgen model
chrome harbor
beastmode where right as youre about to win the fight you throw it instead of run and wipe the raid?
chilly brook
Worgen would actually be dope if you didn’t have to stay in worgen form for combat
old night
Nah I'm a dude irl
sand egret
and then I saw the hulkbear skin
modern brook
At that point you may as well make it a human exclusive class though
sand egret
and made a druid literally just to get that appearance
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
old night
I just like the idea of werewolves being a race
modern brook
at least with how wow handles thet class race split
dusk locust
i remember form changing to human when i'd go into town.. just seemed right. now i don't care 😛
chilly brook
Always good to not assume lol
misty garnet
is this any good?
old night
I just cant stand the look of current worgen for both male and female
they look too furry
digital arrow
a wolf without fur huh 🤔
digital arrow
ohhh
old night
look at the female model
sand egret
their rigging is off to me
digital arrow
i cant look at it, it cracks me up
old night
they also walk like they shit their pants
digital arrow
looks silly as hell
sand egret
the hand flap
digital arrow
LMAO
modern brook
@misty garnet its better than not having a trinket; whether its better thna what you have equipped is debatable
wet compass
the faces are awful
old night
if they looked like out of castlevania or some shit that'd be cool
chilly brook
I wouldn’t even mind worgen if you could make the human form a toggle
sand egret
a male worgen running looks like it just got REALLY excited to take that pecan pie out of the oven
digital arrow
yeah griff, what blade was saying earlier
chilly brook
Like everytime you exit combat you automatically go back to human
digital arrow
that would own
old night
oh yeah
sand egret
also a missed opportunity
modern brook
oh man imagine having to mog for combat and out of combat 😢
chilly brook
He got shot with an arrow and limped away as a human
sand egret
Worgen using....their claws to fight
chilly brook
That too
old night
theres 0 benefit and it always goes away
sand egret
but naw let me stab you with a dagger
solid mist
worgen using a fist weapon 🤔
old night
Worgen are a good example of rad lore but fucking awful execution
sand egret
then goblins start with 100k gold
dusk locust
i'm always like "oh hey it's human me" when i'm timewalking
chilly brook
Rework worgen to be human but have worgen form be a passive trinket proc where you give in similar to Void elf
👏🏻make it happen
old night
being a dark iron
modern brook
def works better with whats currently in game
old night
i wanna be able to yell FLAME ON
and burst into flames
then catapult my fiery ass towards a boss
keen spire
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
chilly brook
Full on flaming eyes, hair and beard at 100 rage
old night
my girlfriend forgets what the name of my "new dwarf" is so she calls them spicy bois. Its what my details name has been since I swapped
chilly brook
I have them occasionally
digital arrow
i'd use my sword as a wolf, i mean what if a claw breaks 😦
ember crest
better than the real name, petition blizzard
modern brook
^ steel is also objectively stronger than sharp finger nails
old night
she calls highmountain tauren "canadian tauren"
digital arrow
spicy bois is a good di dwarf name
modern brook
ignoring all the enchantment shit that we get in addition
digital arrow
i wish wow supported 2 names
keen spire
film
chilly brook
TBH I should just knock out my Honorbound rep to Exalted since I’m over halfway to it already and faction change so I can unlock the dark iron and then race change
🙃
wet compass
yes you should
ember crest
/surname
cinder nova
@modern brook In a fantasy world it hardly matters, to be honest.
keen spire
she have a sister? lululululululul
wet compass
fuck the horde
digital arrow
canadian tauren also owns
keen spire
jk
old night
im trying to think of what other names she has for the allied races
chilly brook
I love the horde but visually it’s falling behind for me
old night
she called void elves "emo bois"
cinder nova
I play a barbarian with claws and a bite with no weapons in pathfinder
digital arrow
please let us know film
old night
sec
cinder nova
And he's killed dudes in full plate ez
old night
ill text her rn
modern brook
well there are no enchant Fingernails :/
echo egret
Hey all, Archive of the titans x2 , worth it ?
chilly brook
Especially after seeing the blizzcon ticket stuff
digital arrow
thank you
steel mauve
I am moose man warrior
cinder nova
Uh
keen spire
Archive values stack, duration doesn't
cinder nova
Yes... there is?
chilly brook
My visual taste has just shifted I think
cinder nova
How do you think hunter pets stay relevant
Or druids even work at all
magically enhanced natural attacks
modern brook
yeah but ur a warrior.
cinder nova
if I can stomp so hard someone 45ft away from me is rendered stunned from the sheer force
chilly brook
From enjoying stuff like barbarians and Vikings historically to more or less shifting to enjoy medieval European aesthetics
old night
i saw some shitty speculation thread on mmochamp one time
that suggested skeleton be a forsaken subrace for allied race
like
id roll skellyboi
ez
modern brook
I wouldnt put it past blizzard
cinder nova
skellingtorn
old night
no need for stacks of noggen
chilly brook
If I could be an undead dwarf I’d be sold
solid mist
cause armor doesn't look bad enough on some races, let's just use fucking skeletons and fuck it all up
dusk locust
after seeing someone wear that skeleton hozen costume i want to be that
chilly brook
Forever staying horde
old night
make it real shit tho. no tmog nothing. only those ripped blue shorts
surreal maple
For the horde!
old night
my dream tho is wildhammer. Give me face tats, a loin cloth and fucking Jerusalem cruisers on my feet
keen spire
same @chilly brook -- I was horde for 10 years before going Alliance this xpac. Things just changed. I got tired of the spikes and red and stuff - wanted some gold and blue and symbols of hope and stuff. /shrug
chilly brook
Sylvanas’ power to raise people comes from the valkyr and she did it for all races in the battle for Lordaeron
old night
@chilly brook i thought the idea of a nathanos like allied race would be neat
surreal maple
I actually think forsaken must have a hunch back
modern brook
100% agreed
chilly brook
@old night it would be great
modern brook
I'd have rolled forsaken if i could have a model like nathanos
chilly brook
Undead elves as well
old night
i got a boner for those vampire elves till we killed them
chilly brook
Cuz like most of the rangers are undead elves
old night
that would ahve been a sick allied race
modern brook
did those have lore relevence or were they just there for the vam-pirate pun?
modern brook
right the princes
chilly brook
The san’layn? Yea they had relevance
old night
they were looking to join the horde, then the alliance fucked that up in our war campaign
anyway, lunch time
ill be back to discuss dual shields
keen spire
Dual shields
modern brook
my tinfoil hat is that bfa will fracture the horde and create 3 factions
keen spire
...
that would be so fuckin dope
they should make the Horde, Alliance, and Forsaken
keen spire
then they could spit all those ideas you guys just posted into that faction
modern brook
OG forsaken intro basically aid they had no real loyalty to the horde
keen spire
and everyone would play it
dusk locust
it'd be so hard to make that compatible with the game as a whole though
but it would be neat
modern brook
thats part of the tinhat kauda
thats why the rest of bfa is sucha shit show
they were working on 8.3's big reveal
dusk locust
y'all are overblowing it i'm having a good time in bfa so far 😛
chilly brook
I doubt there will be three factions
chilly brook
They’d have so many backend problems
modern brook
spamming them was easily my favorite leveling experience 110-120
chilly brook
But I’m still having a good time with BFA
modern brook
the raid and dungeons feel good too
the things that suck are things that arent the core why im playing wow stuff
IE: azerite
dusk locust
azerite really doesn't bother me. once in a while i accidentally get more traits
it's fine tbh
chilly brook
I just don’t do the things I don’t enjoy
dusk locust
^
modern brook
ur crazy
dusk locust
i get people's criticisms of the azerite system but i just don't think it's all that pitchfork worthy
chilly brook
How was the dark iron unlock scenario?
Meh azerite has huge issues
It’s very annoying
modern brook
the system im pretty meh on
Its the actual traits im concerned with
DC being worth as much as it is is stupid
and most classes have at least 1 trait that fits that
chilly brook
Their handling of the system is the worst part of it
topaz cove
I think azerite traits are the best content blizzard has introduced in over a decade
cinder nova
dudewhat lol
ember crest
obv troll
topaz cove
Referencing the reddit shill from yesterday for those who don't use reddit
Said island expos were the best content in a decade lol
modern brook
I like expos tbh
topaz cove
Best content though?
topaz cove
They're content, I'll give you that
dusk locust
island expos i bust out real quick for the weekly and that's it
chilly brook
I mean like they could have actually introduced old raid tier bonuses with them that you had the choice of
modern brook
m+ is easily the best content introduced in the last decade
mage tower close second
chilly brook
Or like Lego effects
topaz cove
Spot on dog
junior ivy
m+ totally changed the game for the better
dusk locust
m+ is excellent
overtuned or not, walking into dungeons on teeming for the first time was a real trip
modern brook
I just think expos are a fun break from the rest of the game
topaz cove
Ignore pain is the best content blizzard introduced in over a decade
chilly brook
All of them
topaz cove
I'm going back to my pint now
chilly brook
Like traits such as DC, ToM or EP are the example of what traits should have been
topaz cove
We you slags tomorrow to talk about mastery, ignore pain and what blocking really is
modern brook
Warfronts and expeditions feel like pvp content that was gutted for the majority of the playerbase to not feel slighted from it
that was my experience during warfronts
junior ivy
why cant every class discord be as helpful as this one?
im scared to ask stuff in druid discord
its such a different environment in there
modern brook
I cant make a good joke so this is a stand in till i come up with one
cinder bridge
junior ivy
i asked about showing debuffs in vuhdo, got an asnwer, then i asked if i can also show debuff tooltips and someones like "how about actually reading what we say before you ask questions" or something
ember arrow
@cinder bridge obviously
junior ivy
even though no one told me anything about tooltips before the second question
modern brook
have you tried actually reading what they say though?
junior ivy
yeah! i got an answer to first question but my second question was different
modern brook
Hmm
ember arrow
catfriend you tend to.. miss.. things
junior ivy
i dunno its just not friendly other people ask questions adn you get 5 people asnwering them and i ask a question and nothing
i wish there was a vuhdo discord
thats what i actually need
modern brook
what is vuhdo?
chrome lance
Add On
modern brook
What does vuhdo do?*****
junior ivy
its for healing
modern brook
ahh
junior ivy
its party frames/raid frames
with mouseover macros
but its super complicated to set up
junior ivy
yeah it is
steel mauve
Just go through the options and look over every thing
ember arrow
well
steel mauve
Ive used vuhdo on my shaman, its not really complicated
junior ivy
k whe ni get on my druid im asking you questions
junior ivy
lol ill pm him so dont make thingsgo off topic
chilly brook
@cinder bridge well no offense but obviously in the top tier runs you’re going to see the most optimal class being played the most
Doesn’t matter much how large or small the gap is in that case between optimal and suboptimal class
outer dew
I'd rather just use mouseover macros over vuhdoo
sick sentinel
hi bois, is there a way to track in weakaura when u get a shield block procc?
modern brook
do you mean shield slam reset?
sick sentinel
ye
modern brook
the default UI has one, so i imagine the answer is yes
#ui-addons-manager might have more direct answers
steel mauve
I mean you can make a weakaura that shows when shield slam comes off cd and make a noise for it if the big glowing button for shield slam isnt enough
modern brook
^ that makes sense
solid mist
SlamIt.wav
steel mauve
That or i think it is technically a buff on qarcraft logs so im sure it can be tracked
Warcraft*
modern brook
I think thats an honor talent now
uneven mason
its part of the protection aura possibly
modern brook
yeah im not seeing anything else
Last mention of S&B was like 2016
so probably removed with Legion
I know my WA just tracks the CD
which is probaby the best way to handle it
uneven mason
yeah that would be the easiest thing
Yeah no buffs in warcraft logs
so chances are its jsut an effect of the spells themselves
modern brook
I think its technically a passive on Sheild slam
uneven mason
WE DID IT
wet compass
your sims seem off
for fury haste should be like 1.99 compared to 1.5ish for any other state
uneven mason
use the socked 370
modern brook
is 200 haste worth 14 stam, 226 mastery and 54 crit
wet compass
I would put +37 on the 365 rfirst
modern brook
thats the real qeustion
wet compass
You mean 122 haste
modern brook
I'd probably swap if i could afford the 40haste socket
uneven mason
also, stop using pawn
wet compass
the other one isn't even a question
uneven mason
🤢 pawn
sick sentinel
yeah sorry for that
wet compass
pawn is fine as long as you adjust the values
uneven mason
not for prot
wet compass
that 365 is god tier
sick sentinel
well I am simming my fury after every new thing
uneven mason
it has no use for prot hah
and yeah fury arms is generally you sim your best gear, and then sim for upgrade
sick sentinel
I have disabled pawn for prot
wet compass
idk it's close tbh
grim prism
I might actually swap your 370 out for the socketed one tbh
wet compass
the 370 is the only one you think about swapping out
grim prism
^
sick sentinel
yeah
sick sentinel
I was waiting for the enchanter on my guild to come online
wet compass
only way you are replacing that is with a socketed gnarled mood ring or a better version of it
and a socketed gnarled is a mil easy
or more
sick sentinel
I have 2 +37 haste enchants and a +40 haste gem in my bags
wet compass
Telltale shut down means no wolf 2 ever /cry
grim prism
Yes
sick sentinel
prot simming
wet compass
he's talking about fury bro
sick sentinel
for fury I will sim everything anyway
gleaming viper
@wet compass I heard the stat weights/pawn string given by raid bots is innacurate for most classes, prot especially
stark sage
prot sims are just not enabled
stark sage
i wouldnt use a simstring as fury for prot
gleaming viper
I don't want to some for dps as prot tho
wet compass
who cares about stamina kela
stark sage
tanks do
wet compass
lies and slander 😛
or you use the noxxic prot string 🤔 how could that possibly go wrong
man nobody biting makes me sad entertain me I have 2 hours of work left damn it
junior ivy
why canadian taurens
neon tangle
In case people didn't see it, the taunt thing is indeed just a tooltip change (or maybe a slight nerf, but still bonus threat)
modern brook
i hope its just a tool tip change
I have to skip globals as it is to not pull off my cotanks
wild bolt
Same. I hate delaying Avatar on pull if I'm OT.
grim prism
However, separate from the tooltip change, we are going to experiment a little with reducing how big the threat bonus is on the 8.1 PTR.
ITS JUST A TOOLTIP BRO
solid mist
Gotta bring back engaging gameplay like..... Standing still
grim prism
I like how blizz thinks they are slick
modern brook
gunna parse fat then die
modern brook
yeah
wild bolt
😄
modern brook
dont make fun of me 😢
grim prism
"The change to bonus threat in the tooltips was just a tooltip change, no need to be alarmed. Also we are looking at changing bonus threat."
chilly brook
I mean the thing is they really don’t need to touch it
modern brook
IDG why they're doing this
sand egret
oof
modern brook
taunt swaps arent mechanics
chilly brook
It’s just a case of fixing something that isn’t broken
grim prism
No, theres no reason for them to worry about diverting resources to that with so many glaring problems to fix
sand egret
oof
chilly brook
Functions fine then there’s no reason to touch it
modern brook
^
I'm perfectly ok with the overall threat reduction from legion to bfa
900% was fucking absurd
but the bonus threat on taunt is to solidify your lead over your cotank
I cant imagine them RUINING it but like
sand egret
if you have an arrow stuck in you, sure you don't take it out right away as you're not bleeding out....but you're going to eventually want to remove the arrow....
modern brook
it just seems dumb to address this
wild bolt
Yep. This seems irrelevant, and this isn't really the time for irrelevant changes.
modern brook
@sand egret whats the arrow?
neon tangle
Seems like it won't do much either way at least, I don't think I'd notice it
chilly brook
There’s literally no negative affect to it existing
earnest zinc
They aren't removing it
grim prism
Yeah, my concern has nothing to do with bonus threat itself, it's more of a concern about what their priorities are and why
wild bolt
I mean, it is if the bonus threat is coated in poison, maybe...
modern brook
agreed
chilly brook
Obviously they’re not removing it as said in post
vocal nimbus
The extra threat generation after taunting wont be removed
chilly brook
But it doesn’t need to be altered either
modern brook
Like oxygen slowly killing us, that's technically true @wild bolt
bonus threat = getting punched = slowly dying
neon tangle
yeah seems pretty weird for it to be a thing they're even looking at
chilly brook
It literally works just fine with no actual obvious problem correct me if I’m wrong
sand egret
so
modern brook
The only thing I can think of
sand egret
umm, I'm not sure we're actually talking about game dev here
neon tangle
@chilly brook They're worried about... future threat issues? It becoming rotational? idk
modern brook
Is some taunt related mechanic in an unreleased raid
kind urchin
I just don't understand why they would change the tooltip but keep the bonus threat.
chilly brook
Which isn’t a problem with that mechanic @neon tangle if that’s their concern buff tank damage?
modern brook
Theres something to be said about simplifying a tool tip
wild bolt
Sure
sick sentinel
guys
neon tangle
@modern brook Maybe they have another void reaver coming for us
sick sentinel
we got a blue on the taunt thing
chilly brook
Tooltips shouldn’t be simplified
sand egret
lol
neon tangle
where it constantly drops your threat level
kind urchin
The tooltip was fine though.
grim prism
@sick sentinel we are discussing it right now lol
wild bolt
It does kinda go against everything Ion said about being more upfront and improving communication w/ the playerbase though
solid mist
Need a thing where of you hold alt and hover it expands the tooltip with more info
neon tangle
@chilly brook yeah makes little sense to me
wild bolt
Or at least I think it does.
sick sentinel
sorry I meant "We got a blue on the taunt thing?"
chilly brook
Especially the reasoning they gave
sick sentinel
my b
modern brook
Clarity of purpose isnt against the imporiving communication
neon tangle
@sick sentinel A very weird vague one
modern brook
while yes there should bea n accessible place with the mechanics o how the ability works
grim prism
@wild bolt oh i'd say this has PLENTY to do with needing to improve communication and transparency lol
sand egret
haha oh #devproblems
modern brook
I dont want to slog through that on a tool tip
merry cave
The taunt thing makes no sense it makes the game less fun for casuals and experienced alike. No one wins
earnest zinc
Their priorities are screwed up
chilly brook
“We don’t want tanks to use it rotationally if DPS scales better than tanks scale so we’re experimenting with reducing the threat modifier”
merry cave
If they think stopping dps is fun as a tank there fucking idiots
sand egret
So can I just point out that them updating a string doesn't dictate "priorities"
neon tangle
"WAIT FOR 3 SUNDERS"
solid mist
Need a tooltip to explain their explanation
sand egret
like that's not how game dev works haha
wild bolt
@grim prism Right? To me this totally goes against everything he said they were going to try to do
grim prism
This is par for the course from that pencilnecked little weasel tbh
The guy is allergic to being useful
modern brook
yeesh balsaq
modern brook
go easy on him hes just a man
chilly brook
I don’t mind having to actually output damage to keep threat
grim prism
A man that I am paying for services
merry cave
Like it's real fun for my pally co-tank to taunt and me to afk for 5 seconds
..thanks ion
grim prism
I am entitled to cuntiness
wild bolt
Actually maybe Sense. I think I've just grown to expect perfection from him. But that's about it.
sand egret
anyone else work in dev here, out of curiosity? or is this all outside-looking-in perspective?
chilly brook
But if we’re going to go that route then provide us the DPS to do so later on down the road if it becomes a problem with scaling instead of experimenting with taunt
sand egret
woo!
grim prism
@sand egret not video games but i do project management for software
sand egret
what platforms @neon tangle
ah but game dev tho? they're actually pretty different
(I'm just trying to gauge where everyone's perspectives are coming from"
grim prism
Im fairly cognizant of the issues game devs face and i try to be sympathetic
chilly brook
My perspective is from a player lol
grim prism
But I also dont think it should be that hard to give clear and meaningful communication to your customers
sand egret
haha well if you ever go to your own game's forums, it always seems like you're more hated
grim prism
They are literally lying by omission
sand egret
see this is where I take issue
neon tangle
So I sympathize with a lot of the stuff they have to do, no matter what choice they make people are going to hate it
grim prism
"We know about it and we are working on it" is the biggest pile of BS i've heard outside of my actual job
broken kite
You're "entitled" to nothing
grim prism
We want d e l i v e r a b l e s
sand egret
it's actually incredibly hard to do it "right" and gets worse the more players you have
wet compass
If you work for league sadbox fuck yall for that stupid kaisa grind
broken kite
You can be demanding and belligerent but don't act like you have entitlements
grim prism
LOL
neon tangle
@grim prism FWIW people hate everything you will ever do if you work on a popular thing. Blizz is pretty unique in how much they communicate w/ their players as far as I've seen
sand egret
like, the stuff I see people asking for would take months to make, let alone release
but people expect it next week?
grim prism
@broken kite i mean as an american i techically do have a constitutional entitlement in this case
@neon tangle how so?
modern brook
@sand egret as some one who hasnt read the bluepost round up
I dont want it next week
broken kite
Oh yikes
modern brook
I want confirmation that progress is being made on the things i care about
not changes to stuff that is functional and working
neon tangle
@grim prism People have a very bad understanding of how long it takes to develop features, and especially a bad understanding of how hard it can be to fix bugs and stuff
sand egret
so here's the thing
wet compass
enabling flying wouldn't take months
earnest zinc
That mentality created the meta of using the bare minimum for survival and going all out on threat. Tanks on Vanilla/TBC servers get dps pieces to keep threat. TBC had prot warriors and feral druids prioritizing hit and hard expertise cap over everything else in SwP. Prot Paladins used caster dps 1H weapons, necks, rings, and trinkets in SwP.
sand egret
you're treating those two things as exclusive
sand egret
no where in that post did they say that
modern brook
Why is it up to me to draw the line between what i want and a change to taunts
earnest zinc
Vanilla the MTs in Naxx would never spec prot because fury gave more threat at that gear level
wet compass
as for dual wielding shields just treat them as one handed weapons for warriors
I'll totally swing and smash things with my shields of uberness
sand egret
the change to taunts is actually them cleaning up tech-debt.
neon tangle
@earnest zinc Who doesn't miss getting defense and hit capped in BC?
sand egret
tbh
steel mauve
Taunt isnt getting changed
sand egret
and by change I literally mean, the tooltip string
grim prism
@neon tangle i like to think i'm fairly understanding of that, and I'm sure WoW specifically is a fucking nightmare to work with, but how would you say their actual communication to customers differs from the norm? Because thats what i have issues with in this case
wet compass
I miss being parry capped via expertise
earnest zinc
Defense cap was easy in TBC @neon tangle
steel mauve
It will still make you generate extra threat for the debuff, they are jusg taking the tooltip out
earnest zinc
In vanilla tanks would usually ignore defense cap for more threat
neon tangle
@earnest zinc Less easy as a bear tank
earnest zinc
Unless the fight would one shot them if they weren't def capped
wet compass
and we sell uber mt dew in europe only
sand egret
there's Uber Mt Dew?
wet compass
And the biggest wish from our customers is to have uber mt dew in NA
old night
yeah there is
wet compass
I would get fired if I went well EU is there waiting for you
sand egret
TIL
grim prism
I EXPECT bugs in wow and I know fixing them is a very arduous process, especially as they add more and more new content on top of legacy features. My problem is the sheer opacity of the developer feedback we get as players
earnest zinc
Hit cap was probably easier as a druid tank though
earnest zinc
At least later on when you didn't need many bonus armor pieces due to armor cap being easy to get
wet compass
It would be better to literally ignore questions than how he answers them
neon tangle
@earnest zinc It was, although a lot of times you would end up having to chose between def rings and hit rings
stuff like that
sand egret
hence the catch 22 @wet compass
grim prism
I mean shit, in Legion we didnt get a single bluepost all expac as prots. And the only feedback players get for other features is pretty consistently "we dont like how it turned out, we want to fix it, we will look at it at some point"
sand egret
he CANT ignore them
wet compass
As for demonology we would rather you not play demonology
sand egret
but he also CANT answer them
wet compass
No it's really not hard
sand egret
so you get half answeres
grim prism
And the response to the ninjanerf on M+ caches was a BIG fuck you to the players
sand egret
which one?
earnest zinc
Brutalis hits like a truck, but I have to be hit and exp hard capped with how high the dps needs to be
Fun times
sand egret
the 1-3 drops?
earnest zinc
Maybe not completely hard capped, but at least close
wet compass
At this time we are focusing on making Kul Tirans and Dark Irons while we understand that want for high elves this is not something that will happen in the near future but we will keep player feedback in mind as we figure out what is coming next
Holy shit in 5 seconds I crafted a reasonably coherent response that doesn't spit on half the playerbase
neon tangle
@grim prism Imagining it from blizz's perspective: They are likely experimenting / working on the problem internally, and posting "wrong" info... really pisses people off
wet compass
for a question they knew was coming for months
sand egret
Really? cuz I could rip that apart
earnest zinc
And with the tank balance, the ones behind on threat will be forced to heal or dps
neon tangle
And if they say "We know, we're working on it"... people also hate it
modern brook
1-3 rewards from mythic +
modern brook
as an exmaple
neon tangle
@wet compass I think it's fair to change stuff due to player perception
I mean, that's 90% of prot warrior issues right now
wet compass
Well you know blood elves (fel addicted traitors) are basically high elves so if you want to play a high elf the horde is there waiting for you
grim prism
Yes, the ones that were "never intended to go live" and it was the playerbase's fault for assuming. They cant pretend they arent aware of wowhead, icyveins, and MMOC. Sure PTR datamining ia datamining, and one shouldn't expect that ANY PTR features will go live as-is, but when the main forums that cover your gane are consistently reporting the same info for months and you do nothing to address it, that's just being a shitty service-provider.
sand egret
well, all I'm going to say is that someone who has done his job literally, it's the worst
wet compass
Oh that I have an even better answer to
grim prism
I am convinced that the weekly caches WERE intended to go live as-is but they changed them as a result of being forced to make azerite tradeable tbh
sand egret
there is so much you wish you can say, so much you don't want to say, and so much you have to say. All of which, you have little control over.
wet compass
We have heard your concerns about prot warriors and in response are going to be making shields a class weapon for warriors much like glaives are for demon hunters that's right you will have two shields coming soon
modern brook
I imagine thats only exacerbated by working in a cooproration
sand egret
im sorry if anyone thought we were actually getting 1-3 shit in a cache....then you're just cray cray
DUAL SHIELDS?!
old night
BLADE
sand egret
OHHHSHIT
old night
SOMEONE UTTERED THE SACRED WORDS
wet compass
It should be one item plus an azerite piece
final mist
wet compass
simple and effective if the only way we can get M+ azerite pieces is from caches
carmine bison
it was like that for months in beta, why would we be crazy for thinking it wouldnt be like that in live?
wet compass
Not meme sal this is serious we need two shields it fixs all our issues
sand egret
because it was....Beta
modern brook
cause it stopped being that way in beta.
neon tangle
@grim prism re: "when the main forums that cover your gane are consistently reporting the same info for months and you do nothing to address it, that's just being a shitty service-provider."
Look at this channel, people constantly have ideas about how to "fix" prot warriors, most of which would just... not work (i.e. IP off GCD w/o more rage gen)
sand egret
a time when you have a fraction of your actual playerbase playing
and so to get the data you need to inflate the findings
wet compass
So many of the testing things in beta were much better than the actual implementation
Rerolling keys
neon tangle
Communities are honestly really bad at giving answers to things
modern brook
@neon tangle theres a differenve between quality and quantity of complaint
wet compass
Getting extra pieces in the box
neon tangle
it's why "design by committee" is a joke
grim prism
@neon tangle im not trying to suggest that any of the "improvements" mentioned here are good ideas because frankly 95% of them are gamebreakingly stupid
old night
Ive kind of always felt blizz looks at the subreddit's concerns over the class discord where more of the community is active