If you hit me with a sword and I block it with my shield I am absorbing the energy you used to swing it. This hurts less than using my face for the same purpose but will still hurt or take significant effort. Alternatively if I were to redirect your sword by parrying it such that it simply missed me I take no damage with a much lower level of effort.
#protection
blissful pebble
wet compass
No this is wrong
wet compass
Literally the only type of thing you block in that manner is arrows and even then you want to shunt them away
not just shelter behind the sheidl
chilly brook
Reeeeee
signal plover
Gottem
wet compass
historical combat not renfair scrub
topaz cove
is that what you tell your dad when he looks at you, with his usual glare
mystic ember
Am Pro Larper- this info checks out.
signal plover
Prolly not larping tho since off-topic is a thing
We're actually pretty overdue for someone asking about upcoming changes/taunt window/state of Prot warr
So idk what's going on
wet compass
double shields that's what
wet compass
nah we already figured that out
topaz cove
Mastery: Balls to the (shield)wall
chilly brook
Anyways, the reason why shields fell out of use was because the need for them became irrelevant with actual armor that passively protected you from pretty much anything besides blunt force
wet compass
every 5% of mastery you have you get to add another shield
topaz cove
rofl Xath
signal plover
We could link more unconfirmed talent changes and trigger Sal
topaz cove
Did you see that post on reddit, the panda heritage armour concept?
Just loads of hats
signal plover
Lol
topaz cove
That'll be us but shields
chilly brook
Here’s a mastery that’d be nice, the more damage you take the higher your ignore pain
🙃
Obviously scaling with mastery
Or bring back vengeance as mastery
topaz cove
I missed that, what was it?
topaz cove
Ah right
old zephyr
new mastery :
"it's fair for having been comunity punshingball" : whenever you take damage, you don't.
wet compass
orc heritage armor set just spikes
chilly brook
The thing that let warriors roflstomp the meters back in MoP as tanks
topaz cove
Mastery: Ironhide
I personally don't think we need much 'fixing', just need a few tweaks so there isnt such a steep skill curve
old zephyr
mastery : Not today
Whenever you take damage that would take yoou below 1 hp you instead heal to 90% of your HPs. This effect can only triger once every 1 sec
digital arrow
LOL
topaz cove
I'd probably still go down
digital arrow
1 second, need that limit so it doesnt become OP, u know
topaz cove
I die in duels way too often
chilly brook
Mastery: Second Wind
Below 99% health regenerate 3% health every 2 seconds.
old zephyr
5sec
modern brook
so a fast ysera's gift**
topaz cove
whoever came up with the Mastery: No pain, no gain the other day
chilly brook
Gift takes a long time
topaz cove
Thats my fave one
wet compass
regenerate 3% health with scaling could be strong actually
topaz cove
Think it was Griff
wet compass
3% base
chilly brook
Nah wasn’t me
wet compass
another 1% every say 5% mastery
topaz cove
Someone else equally as important to me then
chilly brook
And to be honest we don’t take nearly as much damage as a bear so it becomes a lot more valuable
modern brook
I wouldnt be surprised if they just copy Garrosh passive from HotS and give us armor based on life missing
chilly brook
Awwwww
modern brook
maybe duck tape never surrender toit too
chilly brook
😬
modern brook
as long as we super cut it to show only the avatar windows
chilly brook
We could do it if we had that mastery 😂
Just taunt swap every so often
And Revenge
wet compass
it's not amazing but ti would be similar to our legion legendary
chilly brook
Regen*
modern brook
the bracers?
modern brook
god i miss the bracers
topaz cove
I never got those
wet compass
Just make AM baseline for Warriors blizz damn it
modern brook
plz no
then they extend cd's and its like we lose it anyways
the only issue with AM as it stands (for prot at least) is that if we dont take it we literally cannot tank
modern brook
we rely too heavily on rotational cooldowns to not reduce their cooldowns
which is why it feels so madnatory
chilly brook
I mean it feels mandatory for every spec
topaz cove
what wait
chilly brook
Make 👏🏻 it 👏🏻 baseline 👏🏻
topaz cove
am i not meant to be using ravager
frosty wedge
lol
sand egret
lol
modern brook
In fairness, Arms is challenging it with lol dreadnaught
chilly brook
Oh no ravager is better
topaz cove
more dps = more threat right
modern brook
and all 3 choices are good on fury
topaz cove
noobs
chilly brook
Gotta pump that trash DPS
frosty wedge
I feel like they need to make WQ scale better than this
signal plover
I just rly hope blizz doesn't change the meta back to HR by nerfing AM
frosty wedge
I have 4 chars sitting at like 350+ ilvl and doing WQ seems useless
sand egret
personally, I'd like to see the CDR mechanic baked into the Rage resource as a whole.
modern brook
As an aside my favorite reddit kid complaint is "prot warrior cant hold aggro"
re: more damage = more threat
topaz cove
yeah wtf is that about?
modern brook
like how
topaz cove
I've seen that loads
grim prism
Bad DPS pugs and/or incompetence
frosty wedge
people making those posts are terrible at this game
wet compass
Fury uses siegebreaker in raids and it sucks
signal plover
They prolly didn't put Avatar on their bars since BC was removed in legion
wet compass
because I want to use AM
frosty wedge
if there is ONE thing that we don't need help on it's threat
topaz cove
I have to actively try and lose threat when 2 tanking
modern brook
^^^^
grim prism
Fury sucks lol
topaz cove
like turn around and /rasp
grim prism
Too bad its so fun
chilly brook
There’s A LOT of people that don’t know what they’re doing on prot
modern brook
I pull off my cotank if I get lucky in avatar with ss resets
more than 3-4 in a row and im tank again
chilly brook
I really need to make that prot warrior guide
signal plover
🤔
sand egret
from what I've observed when I see a prot warrior have issues with "threat", it's that they focus on poppin CDs BEFORE clapping at least once
modern brook
^
sand egret
so they spend like 3-4 gcd's preppin'
chilly brook
I mean even then one clap will get you aggro
signal plover
That's the point
sand egret
yeah the issue is the cascade effect of NOT doing that
mobs spread > less followup threat = chaos
dusk locust
that was 100% my issue with threat at the start. popping 2 or 3 cds before doing dmg
chilly brook
Well there are a lot of warriors that just don’t understand
frosty wedge
it's the people who say stuff like "charge, avatar, demo shout, shield lock then tclap and a dps is already dead!"
wet compass
Arms is going to get hard chopped so get used to fury
frosty wedge
block*
topaz cove
I do hate it when dps don't let me get atleast 2 sunder armours onto the mobs though
wet compass
plus fury scales crazy well with secondary stats
topaz cove
Same
chilly brook
And fury
modern brook
I'm prot arms as well
I was vengence demon hunter in legion
but i decided i wanted to play a class in bfa
chilly brook
So far in BFA nothing else keeps my interest
wet compass
Fury is fun tbh
modern brook
all warrior specs are fun imo
wet compass
first dps spec I have found fun since combat in ds
topaz cove
Prot is very rewarding when you get it right
frosty wedge
I like prot, will always be my main, but BrM is fun
sand egret
they did a good job with the warrior specs overall
topaz cove
But imo it is too punishing if you mess up
wet compass
Brew is smooth
sand egret
prot just needs a tad more love, imho
modern brook
100% not for me
chilly brook
I’ve played brew too much
@modern brook I mean you have a dead global now and you don’t really use blackout combo other than that no
Cuz you know no more breath of fire reset on keg smash
But basically the exact same
modern brook
Brew felt like Bear without frenzied regen
"I'm just hitting my buttons and waiting for my healer to remove my damage"
chilly brook
Ah nah I loved brew
modern brook
Yeah I recongize a lot of people think its one of the more fun tanks
I just didnt get into it
chilly brook
I just wanted something different, I can only play the same spec for so many years
wet compass
Also I can and do play it on a guitar hero controller 😃
modern brook
Like my ability to mitgate damage is tied completely to my healer
wet compass
How do you not feel in control?
modern brook
I probably just didnt totally get how to balance my brew charges, tbh
wet compass
Keep all the stagger and you still take less damage per second than most tanks with am up
the most important thing is never let ironskin drop
and don't waste kegsmash or brew charges
modern brook
yeah i mean I have 0 intention of ever playing the spec again
wet compass
but why?
modern brook
11:31 AM
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dogc
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Yeah I recongize a lot of people think its one of the more fun tanks
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11:31 AM
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dogc
:
I just didnt get into it
vocal nimbus
You control the purify as brm mainly
chilly brook
And this is the problem with playing the “best class”
chrome harbor
does it still play the same as legion? I leveled all the tanks to do the mage towers but thats like the extent of my BrM knowledge
chilly brook
You play it because it’s “the premier” class without actually understanding why or what it can do
Yes it plays essentially the exact same with one dead global because breath of fire is on cd
wet compass
I liked brew in legion to
chrome harbor
eh idk, playing a leather tank that didnt turn into a giant angry furball always seemed off to me
wet compass
lol
chrome harbor
I like looking tanky
chrome harbor
i get the idea behind it
chrome harbor
oh yea
chrome harbor
i feel bad for the bears that skipped legion
chilly brook
Swole bear still gets hit like a wimpy clothy tho
modern brook
I got the 10 rbg one
wintry ermine
I played brm in legion as well (BDK as my alt), liked it a lot but wanted something different now 😃
modern brook
cause the black one is the best one
sand egret
yeeep
topaz cove
we have that flail that clips into the ground for me
signal plover
Whoa guys
topaz cove
which is cool
modern brook
@chilly brook doesnt matter you're swole
signal plover
U can't just say that in 2018
chilly brook
I have all the tank mage towers
chrome harbor
each bear skin is unique in its own way*
chilly brook
Prot was easily the hardest
modern brook
you just gotta macro /flex to all your rotational abilities
chrome harbor
yea the kruul fight was a lotta fun
topaz cove
yeah it was the only one i did and it was the hardest one i did
chilly brook
Kruul was ez
modern brook
Did you do prot first?
daring marlin
prot warrior was only hard in the first phase
topaz cove
Kruul was a lil bitch
daring marlin
second phase was lol
chrome harbor
though the tunning was off. did the vDH one drunk at like 4am and i still have no idea how that spec works
wet compass
swole bear doesn't have /dance
chilly brook
No I did prot second to last
topaz cove
Not so fast
chilly brook
Nah fam BrM was easiest lol
wet compass
druid was a joke
modern brook
weird. I did prot ~2nd to last (didnt do Brm or Pally)
chilly brook
You’re not even tanking half the time
modern brook
probably the easiest just cause of its damage output
wet compass
just use balance specialization
daring marlin
BRM was second easiest
modern brook
I burned through phase 1 in 2 cycles
wet compass
you could keep up the bleed on everything with balance spec even without the bracers
modern brook
druid was a joke yeah
chilly brook
I did prot at 911 ilvl with only gloves and no tier
modern brook
I had the hardest time with DH
chrome harbor
idk if prot war is the hardest because I did it first or because it actually is, but the rest didnt seem so bad after
modern brook
but i also did it at like 900 flat when it was first released
chilly brook
Unlike most people who did it with t21 and roflstomped phase 1
wet compass
prot war I did after I came back to the game
chrome harbor
thats how i did monk 😄
chilly brook
DH was ez
modern brook
^ I def had infinite slams when iw as doing my warrior
so that probably was the difference
chrome harbor
yea i can imagine the t21 woulda made warrior easier
chilly brook
Yea because you could just burst down the inquisitor
modern brook
Yeah I think DH had one of the better kits for the fight
chilly brook
Completely nullify phase 1
modern brook
I just did it at a low ilvl pre-nerfs
chrome harbor
pally seems super equiped as well, though i did it post-protpally nerf to the fight
chilly brook
BrM was hilarious though
Invoke Niuzao
Let him tank and you just go balls to the wall DPS
He’s be back up for kruul as well and just eat the tank check
daring marlin
I just tossed avenger's shield at inquisitor the whole time
he got a cast of maybe 1/10 the time
wet compass
dh was really strong for it
daring marlin
and died stupid fast
daring marlin
despite having double the health of prot warrior inquisitor
wet compass
dk was pretty easy too
chrome harbor
yea once i read the tooltips for all the DH abilities it went super quick
wet compass
I used chains as a second interrupt for the little fucks
chrome harbor
the thing that threw me off for bear though was the increased size of inq's badzone
chilly brook
Yea
wet compass
just stay on the edge
modern brook
I was belf so i had that for 2nd interrupt if i couldnt dps them down fast enough
wet compass
and you can still hit with thrash
chrome harbor
oh i just got bear taretare and sped my way around
though i think that qualifies as cannibalism
chilly brook
We need more mage towers
chrome harbor
mage towers were fun
modern brook
I see them doing another before BFA is over'
chrome harbor
except the healing one... did it onceo n my shaman and said fuck the rest
modern brook
Easily one of the best received things they did in legion
chilly brook
This time I want armor
chilly brook
Don’t play league
wet compass
I honestly might just pay the money because kaisa main but it's going to be like 100 bucks 😦
chilly brook
There is only WoW
modern brook
#leagueofprotection
wet compass
it's like half a day of work only but still
chrome harbor
Mobas were fun in WC3... but that was like 20 years ago
chilly brook
Wow and rainbow six
Where I fulfill my class fantasy even more by being a shield main and block bullets
chrome harbor
i do notice most RPGs i always go sword n board
chilly brook
Meh I’ve kept clean of the moba aids
wet compass
dragon age origins is the greatest rpg of all time
chilly brook
I’ll keep it that way
wet compass
playing sword and board there plays just like an mmo
damn right
fuck inquisition with a burning poker up the butt
chilly brook
And no imo the best rpg I’ve played is divinity original sin 2
wet compass
then again the idiots who made it would probably be into that
chrome harbor
idk D3 just didnt scratch that itch so i did want to try one of them
wet compass
DAO is combat and story
chilly brook
I mean Divinity has both
wet compass
ME1 ME2 DAO KoTOR I miss bioware
chilly brook
Easily the best combat in an rpg
wet compass
hell SWTOR leveling
chrome harbor
i actually didnt hate ME3
chilly brook
And I’m not a turn based fan
chrome harbor
i got the perfect ending so i wasnt one of the ppl that hated it
wet compass
Andromeda is a steaming pile of dogshit
chrome harbor
we dont talk about andromeda
wet compass
We don't talk about Bioware post EA and quota system you mean
topaz cove
Anyone plat Warhammer MMO?
chilly brook
Tfw andromeda has the best minute to minute gameplay
wet compass
tfw wildstar has the best combat in any mmo ever
chrome harbor
Lotr is coming out with a new one as ewll
wet compass
but people are too bad to play it 😦
chrome harbor
more exploring focused though
topaz cove
LOTRO is coming out with a new mmo?
chrome harbor
well LotR is i meant
topaz cove
oh niceee
chrome harbor
its pre-trilogy
chilly brook
Wow has the best combat in an mmo 😉
wet compass
lol no
topaz cove
I would 100% play LOTRO if I could be an orc/uruk
chrome harbor
combat was like the one thing BDO did well.... that and giggle physics
wet compass
I would 100% play wildstar if they didn't fire the entire raid and dungeon team
west pelican
Damn guys... 340 with deafening crash or 370 with Iron Fortress?
old zephyr
give me darksouls combat in wow and i'll be happy 😃
west pelican
Probably know the answer, but I need you to tell me
old zephyr
epic raiding shit man
uneven mason
@west pelican If its your only DC, use the DC
limber axle
There’s an off topic channel you all know right
chilly brook
BDO combat was awesome tbh
west pelican
I KNOW, i don't WANT TO
chilly brook
But the rest of the game was bad
chrome harbor
isnt that what wod was?
west pelican
@chilly brook Professions BDO >>>>> Professions WOW
chilly brook
Let’s be honest though
wet compass
set templates
chilly brook
Wow still has the best all around combat package
chrome harbor
i mean non raid/M+ stuff kinda shit the bed in WoW so its basically what wow is now
wet compass
new raid/dungeon every month to two months
none of the consumables bs game would literally just be a lobby with raid and dungeon portals and a recruitment channel
no lockouts
chrome harbor
like it pisses me off to no end that even my pruned professions are still RNG crafted stats....
wet compass
purely raiding for the challenge
chilly brook
And tbh I found the combat in wildstar to be more annoying than anything
wet compass
yeah well your gut protrudes from your stomach
chrome harbor
want my belt to tuck it in? it comes with crit heavy stats
just made it last night...
chilly brook
Do you expect any less from a panda?
chrome harbor
the asmongold model KT?
wet compass
give me an option to be normal sized
chilly brook
Specifically Cussel Rrowe?
wet compass
no just normal human
chrome harbor
normal humans boring
chilly brook
As if panda alliance are any less weird?
chrome harbor
idk when our faction is like half elves pandas dont bother me
frosty wedge
all pandas are weird
wet compass
and an indie producer with scene hair decided we get hot top elves
chilly brook
Why tf would high elves join the alliance
wet compass
Nah horde panda is weird because panadas are peaceful
chrome harbor
idk but i dont want em
wet compass
Silver Covenant?
chilly brook
Alliance kinda screwed high elves royally
chrome harbor
should have gotten ogres in tBC and i stay by that
chrome harbor
i mean we could go back to complaining about IP
wet compass
not stormwind
guess what happened to the alliance that abandoned them
They are the fucking forsaken now
chrome harbor
*lordearon citizens
wet compass
So blood elves joined the people who abandoned them led by the lich queen their ancestral enemies in orcs and trools
chilly brook
Still essentially the same people of that alliance
wet compass
It makes literally no sense lore wise and was purely to bolster the hordes falling numbers
Not at all
Stormwind wasn't involved
Lord is the Forsaken now
chrome harbor
stormwind was busy fucking over the people that rebuilt it
chrome harbor
to be fair it was specifically Lordearon that was in the area, everyone else was dealing with their own shit
not to defend the alliance or anything
wet compass
Varian literally wasn't there dude
It was Lord that abandoned them
and are now the forsaken that they joined
And the high elves are already in the alliance via the silver covenant and they despise the traitorous blood elves
ember arrow
Who crapping cares
chrome harbor
theres probably also more of them then the 5-6 void elves that justified a new faction
wet compass
there definitely are
10% of the blood elves survived the sacking
not counting those away from the city
of that 10% 10% stayed high elves
wet compass
there is no way in fuck that the void kidnapped more than 10% of the blood elf population
would you prefer we agonize over the changes that aren't on the ptr?
chrome harbor
inb4 
chilly brook
It was the remnants of Lordaeron btw not those that make up the forsaken that dumped on the elves btw
vocal nimbus
🤷
chilly brook
Aka living humans not dead ones
vocal nimbus
Sal isnt online so i guess you are safe
steel mauve
wet compass
You do know that sylvanas killed all those and raised them right?
After they took back lord she killed them all
Stabbed Garithos in the back and everything
chrome harbor
lets slow this down 
oh wait it doesnt do that anymore...
wet compass
wonder if she did a powerslide after
vocal nimbus
To be fair you are pretty far into offtopic
wet compass
hey the weirdo horde panda who is cool with burning down trees said that it made no sense for high elves to be in the alliance
modern brook
Didnt all of the lorderanians that didnt get their shit pushed in flee to stormwind
earnest zinc
The Alliance doesn't know loyalty as they will ditch you at any time
wet compass
You mean how sylv killed everyone including calia when undead want to leave her festering hell pit and rejoin their relatives in stormwind and anduin was supportive o it?
of*
chrome harbor
cant we all just agree horde >alliance and go back to spitballing good prot change we might be getting
modern brook
^wow look a wrong opinion
wet compass
A correct opinion you follow the lich queen who wants to kill you all
and sent you around raising jaina's relatives because reasons
modern brook
you act like i give a shit
earnest zinc
Alliance crys about Darnassus when the place was a ghosttown
modern brook
im here to fuck up umies man
chrome harbor
its wierd seeing alliance pride. someone quick, camera
vocal nimbus
@fierce juniper
chilly brook
I mean you still thought she raised people like Garithos and claimed stormwind had nothing to do with the Alliance of Lordaeron
wet compass
Darnasus was great I used to pvp q from there
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wet compass
she raised Garithos's troops
chilly brook
With what?
wet compass
and she blighted your own faction during the siege
fierce juniper
Go to #off-topic with this.
earnest zinc
For the maybe 0.01% that actually spent time there, there is the option to go back in time.
earnest zinc
That's still much more merciful than letting people starve in Westfall for years
wet compass
ffs that was onyxia
modern brook
@earnest zinc dont do it
earnest zinc
They rebuilt SW and got screwed
modern brook
fuck
sand egret
so...how about that Shield Block....eh?
sand egret
thought: Menace would be SUCH a better talent if it had more than an 8 yrd range.
earnest zinc
It needs a buff in uptime, but we at least aren't a meme like the Alliance is. It works great when it's up and actually blocks, but you are screwed when that isn't true.
modern brook
SB does not need an uptime buff
sand egret
see, and now we're back to Prot-Talk
prisma crane
idk why SB doesnt work on ranged attacks, i feel like 90% of the time you ever see shields in film they are blocking damn arrows lol, i know that's not all they're for, but give us something for it
sand egret
my work here is done
snow osprey
guys, I saw people discussing PTR changes but I cant find any recent article on wowhead about it... could anyone share a link? I know PTR changes are world apart from live, and changes are not final, but I'm curious on what blizzard is experimenting with
modern brook
idt anything official is reported
sand egret
AFAIK the changes are mostly tooltip
earnest zinc
They seriously need to make shield block capable of blocking anything armor mitigates
modern brook
most of this chat re: changes is memes / wishlist
prisma crane
@earnest zinc that would include some bleeds though, which it shouldnt
wet compass
New mastery is every 5% is another shield confirmed
sand egret
yeah not being able to block arrows seems....off
earnest zinc
I don't think armor works on bleeds
sand egret
it doesn't
sand egret
THIS GUY
snow osprey
once you get to 5 shield you go super sayan mode and oneshot vectis
obsidian siren
consumes all your shields, and for every shield consumed you reflect any attack coming your way for 5 secs
chrome harbor
ideally should a shield work on projectile spells as well?
modern brook
Yall are litterally just describing Death knight you know this right
or am i being memed
earnest zinc
Honestly make warriors capable of blocking anything mitigatable by armor, take IP off the GCD, and allow the magic damage reduction from SR to last for the full 5s regardless of whether or not a spell was reflected.
chrome harbor
i mean purgatory and will of the necropolis sound more like warrior fantasies while we're talkin bout DKs...
earnest zinc
That will fix a lot of issues
prisma crane
there have been bleed affected by armor in the past, fwiw
chrome harbor
i mean their effects; warriors fighting on the brink of death and getting tougher the closer they are to death
ember arrow
Why would they
obsidian siren
I doubt that SR fix will ever come into play, they clearly seem to want to make magic mitigation a thing of the past.... oh, hello shadow of zul. didn't see you there.
ember arrow
I dont see a prob with him
modern brook
@earnest zinc your change suggestions just set us up to be nerfed even harder in 8.1.5
chrome harbor
whoa harder?
modern brook
prots core is not broken
IP might be a bit under tuned
and Revenge is a feel bad button to press
prisma crane
having SB work on more things would be nice
modern brook
The only major issue with the spec as a whole is its total reliance on its talent tree to be playable
prisma crane
everything armor affects may go too far
astral crystal
well blizzard disagrees with you apparently
modern brook
not taking bolster/AM kills you
prisma crane
but at least expand it's capabilities
modern brook
Mastery is a shit idea in general so
chrome harbor
imo the SS reset should be on auto attack and devaste reworked to give rage when used as a filler
steel mauve
I like the idea of mastery, just dont like our survival or how smooth we are to heal totally reliant on rng
old zephyr
Self healing is useless
wet compass
no it's not
old night
are you serious lol
old zephyr
Restoration druid have lot of self healing.
Are they good tank ?
earnest zinc
Those changes will not make us OP @modern brook
unkempt fox
so vers>mastery?
grim prism
Uhhhh
old night
have you played a blood dk?
grim prism
old night
or tanked with one?
ember arrow
old night
my co tank takes one terrible thrash and bam it's gone
dusk locust
my co-tank is a blood dk and he requires more external healing
ember arrow
Friendly remindee
dusk locust
on all fights
old night
bad dk?
grim prism
Resto druids can self-heal and they are bad tanks, prot has no self-heal and we are bad tanks
old zephyr
Yes my cotank is 1 bdk and I mitigate more than What they heal
grim prism
ember arrow
U metigate 70% of dmg?
old night
yeah man like
im gonna call bs on that
unless he is playing with a controller or something
modern brook
You're really underestimating a) how good sheild block is and b) how many things are reduced by armor if you dont believe that alone is too much
topaz badger
Guys, item question, does the "Archive of the titans" level up while it's not being used?
obsidian siren
yes
dusk locust
instead of healing the damage we dont take it in the first place
grim prism
Saying self-healing is useless because prot doesnt use it is like saying block is useless because BDK doesnt use it
ember arrow
^
chrome harbor
they both parry, parry is op
old night
yup
topaz badger
I never used it since I didn't know what it was until recently :\
but I've had the hc version since first week
obsidian siren
truth is, we take less damage than any other tank, but we still feel squishier
old zephyr
I d watch very closely my guild logs Because of prot opinion and self healing is overrated
dusk locust
we "feel" squishier b/c we have a smaller health pool, and if damage comes in without mitigation it's more noticable
solid mist
overrated in general or for prot?
self healing, for BDK is like... an intrinsic part of their kit
old night
yeah
fathom marten
It's not over rated when it's as strong as a bdks. It's all relative.
grim prism
We are comparing apples to oranges here
obsidian siren
we're also the more proactive tanking spec out there
chrome falcon
we "feel" squishy because we're squishy
solid mist
manacles were cool and fun b/c they were kinda op at higher haste levels and it was just a nice thing to have. Doesn't mean they are needed to "fix" prot
chrome falcon
daily reminder that mannoroth's would suck right now
topaz badger
I've yet to meet a tank that takes less damage than me though..
old night
I think if anyone at this point says we dont need to be worked on are in denial of the current state of the spec or are being a cool guy
topaz badger
we're almost always on same level
solid mist
1.) we need tuning/changes 2.) blizz needs to figure out what htey want the tanking experience to look/feel like
chrome falcon
i'll say it again, all of our abilities need 1 more line of text to bring us in line with other tanks
old night
^^
solid mist
on 2, it's WILDY different across specs right now, and there doesn't seem to be a direction on "what being a tank" is supposed to play like
chrome falcon
our spells just don't do enough (outside of TC during demo shout with DC)
obsidian siren
i definitely agree on number 2
chrome falcon
it feels like HR should be baseline
obsidian siren
and we're plain bad on 100% uptime tanking situations
grim prism
Id like that
obsidian siren
i'd love that
chrome falcon
shield slam is just a shitty ability
old night
I'm not the biggest fan of IP but to me the most fluid and fun the spec felt was antorus t21/20. that self healing and damage mitigation was perfect.
chrome falcon
make our entire level 100 row baseline
obsidian siren
it actually feels like a bunch of talents should be baseline
chrome falcon
give me ravager you FUCKING COWARDS
west pelican
Make IP reduce incoming damage by X% for X seconds. The next Revenge can then heal for X% of that damage reduced with the IP.
digital arrow
i've a noob question: i've tried googling this but cant find what wow community defines as "baseline" i've never heard that term before i got back into the game
chrome falcon
a passive
modern brook
as apart of the spec
old night
baseline means baked into the spec
west pelican
= then we make Revenge interesting at the same time
digital arrow
thank you
modern brook
rather than a talent you need to pick
obsidian siren
passive in your spellbook
digital arrow
ahhh
chrome falcon
not even a passive
just something that you always have that isn't a talent
shockwave used to be a talent, now it's baseline
digital arrow
oh thats true, in lich king it was
old night
example. Talenting into driving to work vs walking to work is non-baseline. Being able to wake up and drive to work with no questions = baseline
digital arrow
well now the word makes sense
old night
my example was shit so if it didnt make sense i haven't had coffee
solid mist
also. they have a problem designing tooltips/help for average and below players.
Take a normal person, who just casually plays. Put them in front of BrM and ProtWar to tank something. They gonna get rocked on the war. Why? What's blockable? What's reflectable? When should I use certain things. NONE of that info is found in game. There is a dungeon jounral and NO mention of blockable/reflectable.
Need to bring back the trials and force people to complete them before they can que as a tank. And make them spec specific and actually go through each fucking ability teaching them how/when to use them.
Bake in a damn log analyzer in to the game. You finish a heroic dungeon as a casual player, a thing pops up "hey, we noticed you took a lot of damage. Here are some suggestions. On fight X you only mitigated X% of damage. You should try to keep shield block up more when fighting X" Like... all that data is available, and there are external sites taht kind of do that already, just put it in the game to fucking teach peole
solid mist
basic is about 8,000 miles ahead of what you have now
which is nothing
and a sense of "did I do good?"
chrome falcon
blizz barely finished the dungeons in time
old night
"we noticed you took a lot of damage. Use shield block more!"
even that is better than "lol u died"
chrome falcon
expecting a massive system update like that would be extremely ambitious
solid mist
"you took a lot of magic damage and had demo shout available. Consider using that to reduce overall damage taken"
I'm not expecting it
I'm saying, if tanking is going to be in the current state it is, they need tools to help people
chrome falcon
what i WOULD say is that they should plug the class discords in loading screens
let people know that there are resources to help them not get shitcanned
solid mist
from what I've heard about some other discords... I'm gonna go with no :p
obsidian siren
tanking in general has gone from being very player friendly to one of the greatest SM experiences ever 😄
solid mist
Block is so important to our class. As a casual player how do I know what I should be using shield block on?
modern brook
would you like a blizzard exec to sit next to you and press the keys too? damn
obsidian siren
oh, i also want execute for prot wariors 😄
astral crystal
you want to focus on uptime, having it up as often as possible without overlapping or wasting charges
solid mist
there is built in UI to show you when a spel being cast is kickable or not
chrome falcon
back in wotlk when i was a turbo noob i was so bad that i didn't even bind my CDs individually i just had a macro that pressed them all at once
modern brook
heres the thing: its not the developers job to make you not suck shit at a video game
astral crystal
the best way to do that is to take the Bolster talent
solid mist
why not for blockable attacks or something
astral crystal
because all melees are blockable
solid mist
@chrome falcon that's just efficiency 🆗
modern brook
tooltips for blockable shit: sure thats great
chilly brook
Well I’m back what a good lore debate, anything I miss?
old night
someones irritated lol
sick sentinel
@chrome falcon this is how I played fury in legion lol
modern brook
dedicated development time for a log tracker? wasted resources
solid mist
I'm just saying, a lot of convo from here is "look class is pretty good, needs some tuning. People need to L2P." I agree! I love fighting games, a HUGE barrier for newer players is having no idea how to ACTUALLY play the game outside of throwing a fireball. As of late, more and more fighting games have been having REALLY amazing tutorials. Teaching newer players complex mechanics, even teaching them about option-selects and shit. It's really helped out and I've heard a lot of people talking about how it's helped them really grasp the game and make them play more and more and get better
sick sentinel
yo I have like 4 rings and I am not exactly sure that my choices are correct
care helping me a bit?
old night
lets see em
modern brook
A tutorial is different from "hey you got dp'd on wake up a gain, maybe hold back you dumb bitch"
naive carbon
I'm rolling a Dark iron warrior. Is prot still good at high Raid levels? I've been tanking with prot warriors all vanilla + BC + cata
sick sentinel
old night
your irritation about one suggestion is insane
he made a simple suggestion and you turned it into a gatekeeping argument
digital arrow
my love for fighting game combos and reaction time is what got me into prot warrior during BC lol
modern brook
Cause its a bad suggestion that fosters a worse mentality about how you should learn your class
Wow isnt a hard game to grasp
old zephyr
Take the 36highest ilvl
steel mauve
365 and 370 easy
sick sentinel
so the ones that I am currently wearing nice'
old night
dread glad and ritual imo, the haste is fat on those 2
earnest zinc
They just need to make shield block work for anything armor does since we are sitting ducks against ranged attacks
solid mist
mobs throwing rocks OP
daring marlin
@digital arrow noel vermillion player confirmed
chilly brook
@naive carbon if you’re asking if we can tank Mythic then yes
steel mauve
Ritual is lowest ilvl, definitely dont use it
old night
oh it is. my b. I read 365
naive carbon
DK and Monks are better tho right?
earnest zinc
Warrior seems bad because it takes significantly more skill than some other tanks
digital arrow
hahaha i meant marvel vs capcom not blaz blue, bb is pretty fun though
earnest zinc
They are, but only a small amount if played right for both of them
chilly brook
I mean sure they’re “better” but it’s not so black and white
old night
you aren't wrong but at the same time we are in a bad spot. its like 50/50
sick sentinel
I was considering to change to 370 rot with the 360 veins
steel mauve
I would just stick to the 2 you're using
old night
^
earnest zinc
As in the difference is small from a Prot Warrior and Brew Monk or Blood DK of equal skill and gear at a high skill level.
sick sentinel
is it the extra stamina or just the raw stats
steel mauve
Total stat budget
old zephyr
All secondaries are close on prot, even crit
earnest zinc
They take Brew and Blood much more because they are going after every little advantage possible
sick sentinel
oh ok, thanks guys
steel mauve
If ritual was 365 i would have argued using that over the 370, but all the stats combined just outweigh gear with less amount of stats
old night
yeah, I had initially read 365 on the ring and not 355. i agree with iron
steel mauve
Haste is still bis and it has a fuck ton, but not so much better than all of our other secondaries to warrant a 15 ilvl drop
old night
^
steel mauve
I wouldnt drop 10 ilvls for it either
MAYBE if rot had crit heavy over mastery, but rot still has haste on it
chilly brook
For the most part I wouldn’t drop ilvl for anything other than DC
old zephyr
Trinket /socket on a ring Maybe but not à lot
old zephyr
5 ilvl for à socket on a ring is also good
grim prism
A socket is worth ~10 ilvl of stat budget iirc
Depends on the gem ofc
That being said there is also stam on higher rings so
I personally wouldnt sandbag more than 5 ilvl for it
And armor is still priority 1 on other gear
sick sentinel
Timewalking Rings have primary stats.
primal crypt
This week is quite the M+ week
Bombkins for every key
Most op class
At least to pair with a prot warrior
uneven mason
I prefer to remove the enrages
frosty wedge
naw don't bother with sims for prot
old sage
ok my bro
old sage
haste is king? is there any pawn string? Atm pawn by deafault is telling me mastery and vers is highest, but fuck default settings
primal crypt
ilvl
modern brook
Gearing prot: DC > ilvl > haste
verse and mastery bounce between which better on a per fight basis. Crit trails slightly
old sage
aight, so gem and encahnt haste atleast?
hexed geyser
What is DC
oblique wolf
np
old sage
but u only want one of them right? or n o?
oblique wolf
only need one
modern brook
only 1 but its mandatory
old sage
ye
modern brook
i think someone mentioned it being ~6% DR on its own
oblique wolf
I sadly don't have it. I would have to drop 60 item levels
modern brook
its worth it
frosty wedge
not worth 60
lol
but it's worth going out and doing reg mythics until you get a piece of 340+ with DC
frosty wedge
lol link your armory?
uneven mason
That mog makes me angry too
uneven mason
fix it
frosty wedge
it's not a mog, lol
solid mist
I don't want to alarm you... but your shoulders seem ... uh... you got some tumors or something?
uneven mason
ITSNOTATUMOR
oblique wolf
if i mogged my gear everytime it changed in the last 48 hours i'd be poor
grim prism
I have a different mog for every spec lol
oblique wolf
we have other specs?
uneven mason
me too
grim prism
Friendly reminder that Tribal Blade is the only 1H in the game
wet compass
mog your gear to the 1.8k gear if you have it damn it
uneven mason
We have the "Eating feast and using flask" spec and Protection
wet compass
Also buy a yak mount like a self respecting warriror
oblique wolf
rofl
grim prism
I use the armored boar
uneven mason
Engineer items are universal
wet compass
You can use it in raids
grim prism
Its gnarly af
oblique wolf
i use random 😃
uneven mason
Not all areas
wet compass
You don't use the yak as your primary mount
uneven mason
Can't mount up once you're underground in Uldir
uneven mason
I'm convinced my guild kills Ghuun because I confuse him with my many wardrobe changes
reef fulcrum
Ghunn trinket is still weak, right?
oblique wolf
He just never knows who the real tank is
hexed geyser
Guys how is your experience in tanking so far in this week’s affixes??
grim prism
@reef fulcrum yup
frosty wedge
this week is easy as hell
oblique wolf
ez, but i have a pocket frost mage
reef fulcrum
Ty
grim prism
@hexed geyser havent done em yet but i cant wait
frosty wedge
two chested an 8 on my warr and my monk both last night
oblique wolf
I actually did half of temple without realizing it was necrotic
grim prism
Gonna be piss easy compared to last weej
hexed geyser
Oh that’s awesome to hear guys finally I can actually play the game instead of last week just dying and running lmao
wet compass
what is this week?
oblique wolf
tyr / raging /necro
grim prism
Tyrannical Kiting
uneven mason
This week Necro Tyrannical and raging
Tyrannical (Spec Bounding Stride)
TD is gonna be pure cancer
AD is gonna be a giggle fest
oblique wolf
Tower defence…. active directory
wet compass
tol dagor is always awful
grim prism
LOL
oblique wolf
aw i love tol dagor
uneven mason
I love it too
I just wish the bastard trinket would drop
using a 265 BRB
cause trinkets hate me
STILL using a 265 BRB
grim prism
A what now
oblique wolf
Be right back
plush glade
What are the best trinkets for us??
uneven mason
Big Red Button
is what I'm using
I should just buy a fathoms
at least I'll do more damage
digital arrow
lol i like shooting missles outta my gnome butt when i still used big red button
daring patrol
shields are considered weapons in terms of titanforging yes?
uneven mason
I have it macro'd to fire at my feet
so its instant
Yes Rhokzor
anything held in the hands
so shields/offhands
as well as weapons
ohboy
my normal healer pulled a 11 Shrine for his key, wish me luck
digital arrow
yikes
open bluff
F
primal crypt
F
frosty wedge
yeah nope.
mellow bridge
Duo isnt that hard if people actually know how the boss works
uneven mason
Cause for some reason, I've got guildies who kill mythic raid bosses, can't sort out an interrupt rotation
mellow bridge
Which a lot don't 🤷
daring patrol
duo is always a wall for people because they don't bother looking for tornados under the haste buff
uneven mason
yup
blissful imp
Yo, what if Ravager got a vortex like thing that kept pulling mobs back to the center of it? Or it interrupted any casts for the duration of it? Would you use it over AM in M+?
uneven mason
We'd have to get AM baseline
signal plover
No
signal plover
Right
uneven mason
nothing that goes on that tier will be used
unless AM is not a talent for it to compete against
even if they nerfed AM by 50%
It would still be stronger than HR and whatever else.
primal crypt
I use Ravager over AM right now
uneven mason
🤢
steel mauve
we memeing bois?
primal crypt
and the animation is so dope
uneven mason
We're trying not to burf
daring patrol
Trollorino
primal crypt
I especially love how it get's stuck in the ceiling sometimes
because my camera got fukt
primal crypt
Even in RP it's terrible.
keen spire
But the parry
twin eagle
How many stacks of necrotic are y'all able to handle? I was doing a 10 freehold last night and it was a wild game of try to kite trash that can't be slowed.
keen spire
over 9000
twin eagle
Oof
uneven mason
pull first 3 packs alone
use rogue to skip to first boss
clear bridge adds
kite along bridge
chrome harbor
also work on kegals while your at work today to prepare for ass clenching
signal plover
Use to pull max mobs and just parry through all the necrotic
signal plover
Parry is only one letter away from party
uneven mason
and spam revenge since no fortified makes trash ez
chrome harbor
yea last week was bad, i just really hate necrotic
open bluff
so blizzcon virtual ticket gets access to a classic demo
keen spire
I'll live stream it
open bluff
nice prot buffs 
keen spire
o.o
chrome harbor
a demo for classic?
uneven mason
yeah
chrome harbor
gee i wonder what its gonna play like...
open bluff
uneven mason
I'm not expecting updates on the PTR until mid oct
signal plover
Hmm maybe if we purchase virtual tickets we can get our banner skills back
keen spire
holy shit... this is going to explode in their faces
chrome harbor
we gotta at elast be getting those tunning changes soon
with bigger ones around that time
signal plover
Maybe this is why all the cloaks in game look like shit
wet compass
the 7th legion ones are great at least the full cloak
chrome harbor
whats the $10 bump for, the demo?
wet compass
probably how they justify it
chrome harbor
arent demos usually free?
keen spire
inflation is a thing too, guys
wet compass
aren't people who fuck up and lose millions of customers usually fired?
open bluff
not when you're dealing with activision, ea, bethetsda, etc
wet compass
Blizzard does things differently
chrome harbor
those tariffs really hurting the streaming biz
ember arrow
people suddenly are economy masters
and have deep insight in the economy of blizzard
keen spire
wat
ember arrow
opinions thrown around as always
chrome harbor
no questions allowed?
keen spire
who are you referring to, Levko..
ember arrow
xath
daring marlin
Levko is the resident contrarian.
keen spire
I see.
chrome harbor
cant hide that inner edge
modern brook
Levko is just correct though
ember arrow
what disguise?
keen spire
I remember agreeing with him about something in Legion, but I can't recall
ember arrow
this had nothing to do with classes
upbeat folio
temple of seth on necrotic is provig.. interesting.
daring marlin
It’s fun times.
modern brook
is the first boss still impossible with tyranical?
or have we geared enough to do it
chrome harbor
the orb room i guess?
modern brook
impossible read : major pain in the ass
keen spire
oh man
that orb room
I didn't even consider that with necro
lololol
that shit must be insane
chrome harbor
lol yea it just hit me
keen spire
I prefer raiding in general
plain ice
it's not bad at all
keen spire
man